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| 04:20.10 | Drathir | why repos cant be fetch by https, but oonly works http? |
| 04:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because of expired certs? |
| 04:41.52 | Drathir | ok i will check but not sure but 404 error get... |
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| 06:32.14 | xman | 中文可以吗 |
| 06:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ɓuı̣Ʈɹɐpʎɐsnoʎɹǝʌǝʇɐɥʍ |
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| 12:38.22 | kerio | wtf is /dev/input/4, and why do i have trillions of lines related to it in my syslog? |
| 12:38.26 | kerio | and did it drain my battery? |
| 12:41.10 | kerio | er, /dev/input/event4 |
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| 12:43.08 | kerio | it's the second time i had an unexplicable power draw |
| 12:43.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how do i configure powertop? |
| 12:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | configure? |
| 12:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, HAVE to run |
| 12:45.34 | kerio | typical >:c |
| 12:47.17 | SpeedEvil | there is no configure, only do! |
| 12:47.28 | SpeedEvil | to paraphrase Yoda. |
| 12:47.51 | SpeedEvil | run it, lock screen, wait 45 seconds |
| 12:50.35 | kerio | status: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon |
| 12:50.38 | kerio | Mounting debugfs...FAILED |
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| 12:54.07 | kerio | meh, restarting it worked |
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| 14:02.41 | Creteil | Hi all |
| 14:03.06 | Creteil | Can someone have a look at http://maemo.org/packages/view/john/ |
| 14:03.58 | Creteil | Why even the new version was successfully compiled, I can't update the version with a simple apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on the device ? |
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| 14:17.46 | kerio | Creteil: because the update wasn't pushed |
| 14:18.28 | Creteil | kerio, thanks, I just see the update was pushed right now ... Thanks for the help ... |
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| 14:21.01 | Aoyagi_joytop | waves |
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| 15:00.45 | Macer | hm |
| 15:00.48 | Macer | you guys might know this |
| 15:01.03 | Macer | what would someone call that has pin terminals for a standard sized gpio pin |
| 15:01.09 | Macer | female on both sides? |
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| 15:28.00 | FIQ | huh |
| 15:28.28 | FIQ | my phone somehow went from fully working OS to non-bootable OS w/o even modifying system files (at least by myself) |
| 15:28.50 | FIQ | now that's something new |
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| 15:28.59 | FIQ | Er |
| 15:29.12 | kerio | FIQ: well |
| 15:29.12 | FIQ | Seems like bootmenu successfully boots maemo, but not using it didn't |
| 15:29.15 | FIQ | w/e |
| 15:29.19 | kerio | what did you do? |
| 15:29.42 | FIQ | hmm |
| 15:29.59 | FIQ | The only significant thing I did was modifying ~/.profile a little |
| 15:30.11 | FIQ | But I can't see how that would render the system unbootable |
| 15:30.44 | FIQ | (the other things I did was running ntpd and gpSP) |
| 15:31.10 | FIQ | i'll try to reboot again w/o bootmenu to see if same thing happens |
| 15:32.56 | FIQ | ah, system boots fine even w/o utilizing bootmenu now |
| 15:33.04 | FIQ | No idea what happened |
| 15:33.06 | kerio | you're welcome! |
| 15:33.54 | FIQ | but it wasn't just some temporary bootup weirdness for just one boot, as I tried to boot ~10 times before I decided to try it via bootmenu to see if it gave some kind of error (not like bootmenu usually does that, but meh) |
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| 15:34.50 | kerio | did you perform a n900 full reset? |
| 15:35.04 | FIQ | no |
| 15:35.15 | FIQ | er, well |
| 15:35.22 | FIQ | I did, but that was weeks ago |
| 15:35.34 | FIQ | (to see if it fixed my sound issue etc) |
| 15:36.00 | spoofy | Ok. Here's the news. Nokia changed my board to new one in n900 - They have new part of boards produced in korea |
| 15:36.03 | spoofy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.06 | spoofy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.08 | spoofy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.11 | spoofy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.13 | spoofy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.24 | FIQ | spoofy: heard about pastebins? ._. |
| 15:37.01 | spoofy | FIQ: yeap but that's important news ;) |
| 15:37.14 | FIQ | er wait a moment |
| 15:37.25 | FIQ | do nokia still produce new n900s? |
| 15:37.30 | spoofy | no only boards |
| 15:37.36 | FIQ | hm ok |
| 15:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: WTF?!!! \o/ |
| 15:38.26 | spoofy | my friend is working in nokia care service |
| 15:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | new boards produced? incroyable! |
| 15:38.53 | spoofy | he told me that is cheaper for nokia to order new boards than replace a phone to new |
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| 15:39.55 | kerio | :D |
| 15:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'd think they knew this 20 months ago when they decided to bin all the spare parts they had on stock |
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| 15:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I asked for such move several times - now they actually did it?! I still can't believe |
| 15:41.49 | spoofy | also I heard about gray n950.. they just burn them in furnace.. |
| 15:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to ask how much is a main PCBA when bought in qty of e.g. 1000 |
| 15:42.23 | FIQ | how about giving them to me instead :D |
| 15:42.26 | FIQ | (jk) |
| 15:42.39 | kerio | spoofy: is the cpu still the same? |
| 15:42.48 | spoofy | kerio: probably yes |
| 15:42.54 | kerio | :( |
| 15:43.07 | spoofy | board produced in korea |
| 15:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what else? |
| 15:43.26 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: new wifi chip :D |
| 15:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: could you ask your friend how much Nokia calls for such a board? |
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| 15:44.10 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: sure but he's not working in warsow - polish nokia center |
| 15:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I smell a unconfirmed rumour story for MWKN |
| 15:45.25 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: I can give you my imei - just check it... |
| 15:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: sorry? what could I check this way? |
| 15:46.26 | spoofy | In what way? |
| 15:47.14 | spoofy | if someone is an employee of nokia can check it out |
| 15:47.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is there a way to run powertop in the background and do some logging this way? |
| 15:48.08 | spoofy | nvm.. I broke my usb so I was expect a new phone |
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| 15:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: long term? well, I guess a while loop would do |
| 15:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: sorry you lost me |
| 15:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: there's a parameter to powertop, to specify the monitoring window |
| 15:49.58 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: No I'm happy right now ;) My sweet n900 will back to me |
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| 15:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: that's all fine but I still don't get it what you're telling me, starting with "IMEI" |
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| 15:51.40 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: ugh.. you can check everything about the phone by checking IMEI right? |
| 15:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know, probably I could find out about warranty |
| 15:53.21 | spoofy | And replaced parts |
| 15:53.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard there's a Nokia webpage to check warranty, maybe it takes IMEI for that |
| 15:53.43 | spoofy | and whole service history |
| 15:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: I'm not Nokia |
| 15:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: anyway if your IMEI is unchanged then odds are you have no new mainboard in that N900 |
| 15:55.25 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: new board = new IMEI |
| 15:55.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, why? |
| 15:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course they *might* be able to change IMEI of new board to the one of old board |
| 15:55.48 | kerio | isn't it a matter of reconfiguring rapuyama? |
| 15:56.03 | spoofy | No. I have new IMEI and notification in warranty card |
| 15:56.18 | spoofy | note.. nvm |
| 15:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a pretty good indicator that they actaully changed main PCBA |
| 15:58.16 | spoofy | They changed the board to new one produced in 2012 in korea.. So they ordered a part of new boards to n900. |
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| 16:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, i *need* to get one of those new boards into my paws |
| 16:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: new wiFi chip? how do you know? which one? |
| 16:10.58 | spoofy | That was a joke :P |
| 16:11.42 | spoofy | Ehh.. new board with new cpu and wifi chip - a/b/g/n support... in my dreams |
| 16:13.55 | freemangordon | yeah, 3630 with 1GB |
| 16:14.34 | freemangordon | though ^^^ might be cheaper than 3430 |
| 16:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | by now for sure |
| 16:16.05 | freemangordon | spoofy: could you check your omap revision? |
| 16:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, not really since TI probably not even sells any 3430 anymore, so you either get them on aftermarket for cheap, or not at all |
| 16:16.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but who will store such (maybe 1000) amount of 3430? |
| 16:16.50 | freemangordon | makes no sense |
| 16:17.08 | freemangordon | afaik n900 is the only device with 3430 made by nokia |
| 16:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep CPU /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:18.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: no |
| 16:18.29 | freemangordon | the correct place is cat /sys/power/idcode |
| 16:18.50 | freemangordon | Production ID: 00000000 00000000 000000cc cafeb7ae |
| 16:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 16:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Production ID: 00000000 00000000 000000cc cafeb7ae |
| 16:19.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Die ID: 0c004012 040364fb 00000000 44f60004 |
| 16:19.14 | freemangordon | cafeb7ae is for ES3.1 |
| 16:19.23 | freemangordon | 3.1.2 has a different value there |
| 16:20.24 | freemangordon | spoofy: ^^^ |
| 16:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah spoofy, please share! ;-D |
| 16:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/power/idcode |
| 16:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: are you sure that's not GAIA/twl4030? - since "power" |
| 16:21.56 | ShadowJK | /sys/power seems to be a convenient place to put all kinds of random stuff. |
| 16:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:22.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: 100%. Though I was wrong, it is not the last uint of Production ID, but IDCODE |
| 16:23.08 | freemangordon | ES3.1 is 0x4B7A E02F |
| 16:23.18 | freemangordon | ES3.1.2 is 0x7B7A E02F |
| 16:23.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | IDCODE? |
| 16:23.32 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: I dont have a phone right now. It's still in nokia care service. |
| 16:23.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 16:23.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: the first line |
| 16:23.54 | freemangordon | IDCODE: 4b7ae02f |
| 16:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 16:24.25 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: I'll have it in monday probably |
| 16:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I need a break till that coffee kicks in |
| 16:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: please keep us updated |
| 16:24.49 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: no problem ;) |
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| 16:25.33 | freemangordon | spoofy: if your IDCODE is 0x7B7A E02F then your device officialy supports 720MHz for MPU |
| 16:25.41 | freemangordon | :) |
| 16:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | official OC or OPP4 ? |
| 16:26.39 | spoofy | freemangordon: Woh :D that's great :) I can't wait to have my sweet n900 in my hands |
| 16:26.54 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: OPP6 ;) |
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| 16:27.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, six? |
| 16:27.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc |
| 16:27.11 | infobot | rumour has it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 16:27.12 | freemangordon | 125,250,500,550,600,720 |
| 16:27.28 | freemangordon | count :P |
| 16:27.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no OPP6 |
| 16:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is that new for that SoC? |
| 16:27.59 | freemangordon | ES3.1.2 has |
| 16:28.01 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 16:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so this OPP6 probably is the old OPP5? |
| 16:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka 'official OC' |
| 16:28.44 | freemangordon | well, it is weird, as the voltage is still that same as for opp5 |
| 16:28.49 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 16:29.16 | freemangordon | but with SR in mind, it is still different OPP |
| 16:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably |
| 16:29.54 | freemangordon | "OMAP3440-720" |
| 16:30.04 | freemangordon | this is how it is called in TRM |
| 16:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter since the OC fanboys pick core voltages at random anyway |
| 16:30.10 | ShadowJK | nods |
| 16:30.29 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 16:30.31 | ShadowJK | beagleboard switched to -720 a little bit after N900 release |
| 16:30.41 | ShadowJK | and 512m |
| 16:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | DUH! |
| 16:30.51 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: what core? ES3.1.2? |
| 16:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I NEED SUCH A BOARD!!! |
| 16:31.02 | ShadowJK | no idea |
| 16:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | highly unlikely that they re-POPed the RAM if they could only get 3440-720 |
| 16:32.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wait, lets see, if it is 3630 we'll have more problems than gaim :P |
| 16:32.12 | freemangordon | *gain |
| 16:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3630 won't fit I guess |
| 16:32.43 | freemangordon | afaik it is pin-to-pin compatible |
| 16:32.52 | freemangordon | but not sure |
| 16:33.03 | ShadowJK | beagle was 3530 too.. |
| 16:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway a beagleboard 3440-720-512 might fit nicely |
| 16:33.29 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: 3530 is cutted down 3430 |
| 16:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/3440/3430/ |
| 16:34.25 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it is 3530, see ^^^ |
| 16:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3430 vs 3530 is pin compatible, i'm rather sure |
| 16:35.00 | freemangordon | won't do the job, SPI(iirc) and whatever is missing |
| 16:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just different binning |
| 16:35.20 | freemangordon | naah, you can't connect GSM modem |
| 16:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 16:35.36 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 16:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you mix that with 3x30 vs 3x40 maybe |
| 16:35.59 | freemangordon | and 353 is GP, 3430 is HS |
| 16:36.07 | freemangordon | *3530 |
| 16:36.10 | ShadowJK | Rev B6/B7: ES3.0, Rev C4 -720 Mhz, Rev C5: 512MB |
| 16:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | THAT might be correct |
| 16:36.25 | freemangordon | WTF?!? 3.0? |
| 16:36.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 16:36.41 | freemangordon | makes no sense |
| 16:37.14 | freemangordon | well, seems like a simple OC to me |
| 16:37.30 | freemangordon | as 720 is only supported on 3.1.2 according to TRM |
| 16:37.44 | freemangordon | and not on all 3.1.2 |
| 16:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are Nokia found a bucket of SoC that been already POPed with 512MB-RAM OneNAND anyway |
| 16:37.56 | ShadowJK | Maybe the silicon revision was just left out of the info for rev c, *shrug* |
| 16:38.08 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: yeah, could be |
| 16:38.25 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: or better with 1G? :P |
| 16:38.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure 1GB even fits |
| 16:38.59 | freemangordon | I was kidding anyway :) |
| 16:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, I *NEED* SUCH A BOARD! |
| 16:39.55 | kerio | me too! |
| 16:40.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lets wait spoofy to report |
| 16:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I'm interested in that board no matter what spoofy reports |
| 16:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a bunch of reasons |
| 16:40.50 | freemangordon | hmm, I wonder how NOLO will support 2x256 |
| 16:41.13 | freemangordon | chances are it will be ok |
| 16:41.38 | freemangordon | as now there are HW revisions with 2x128 (2101) and 1x256(2204) |
| 16:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsckng NOLO should get replaced by uBoot |
| 16:42.02 | freemangordon | I wouldn;t hold my breath |
| 16:42.03 | ShadowJK | Omap3530DCBB72 |
| 16:42.18 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: aah, that's better :) |
| 16:42.39 | ShadowJK | 2 x 256MB |
| 16:42.46 | freemangordon | though it is missing one 0 at the end |
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| 16:43.15 | freemangordon | BTW I am not sure 1G will make sense in n900 |
| 16:43.20 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 16:43.31 | freemangordon | this will suck the battery in no time |
| 16:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I said exactly that, some lines up |
| 16:43.51 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: i've missed it |
| 16:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-30 17:38:40] <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not sure 1GB even fits |
| 16:44.17 | ShadowJK | this is C4 manual and 2 x 256MB refers to 256 ram and 256 onenand |
| 16:44.39 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 16:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 16:45.04 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; I'd find 5x ram power use increase acceptable for 4x the ram :0 |
| 16:45.10 | freemangordon | RPi has older SoC than n900, ain't? |
| 16:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | so screw beagleboard, get the SoC of pre |
| 16:45.35 | ShadowJK | Rev C5 is 512M ram |
| 16:45.45 | ShadowJK | and Beagleboard-xm is more N9-like |
| 16:45.51 | ShadowJK | with gig of ram, iirc |
| 16:46.25 | ShadowJK | ah no, still 512 |
| 16:46.30 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: you can;t fill 1G on n900 |
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| 16:46.41 | freemangordon | well, with normal usage |
| 16:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | addr line missing iirc |
| 16:46.52 | kerio | freemangordon: except for IO |
| 16:46.56 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; i can! |
| 16:47.01 | freemangordon | :D |
| 16:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | on POP IF |
| 16:47.05 | ShadowJK | just from web browsing |
| 16:47.20 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: what do you run on your n900? LAMP? |
| 16:47.35 | ShadowJK | microb is enough |
| 16:47.38 | freemangordon | well, L is here, btu what about the others? |
| 16:47.41 | ShadowJK | fennec and I'll need 2 gigs |
| 16:48.03 | freemangordon | actually fennec will fly with 512 |
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| 16:48.43 | freemangordon | but yeah, as Pooh says... |
| 16:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be more than happy with 512MB RAM |
| 16:49.09 | kerio | hell, with 1gb you could do a slow boot and then keep EVERYTHING in ram |
| 16:49.13 | ShadowJK | accidentalled was up to about 800M swap use yesterday |
| 16:49.23 | freemangordon | WHAAAT? |
| 16:49.37 | ShadowJK | it'd probably been fine but suddenly all browser windows wanted to render simulatenously |
| 16:49.47 | freemangordon | never goes above 180-190 |
| 16:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 16:49.57 | ShadowJK | and it was doing 8 megabytes/sec to/from swap for an hour before I killed microb lol |
| 16:50.02 | kerio | :D |
| 16:50.05 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 16:50.18 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: -thumb? |
| 16:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen that with just ONE friggin microB window with some idiotic JS |
| 16:50.37 | ShadowJK | is currently at about 400M swap in use on N800 too, that a-data uhs-i card really makes it fly |
| 16:50.52 | kerio | ShadowJK: so it's a good card? |
| 16:51.20 | ShadowJK | but microb leaks a shitton more memory on Diablo 4 too, so most of that 400M is leaked, though heap fragmentation does make alot if it active anyways.. |
| 16:51.31 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; not on this device |
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| 16:52.32 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: I'd strongly recommend it, it fits perfectly for heavy multitasking and high memory usage |
| 16:52.43 | ShadowJK | kerio; it seemed a bit unreliable at first, but my N800 has run over a week of heavy use on it now |
| 16:52.54 | kerio | why aren't you using it on your n900? |
| 16:53.01 | kerio | and why are you using a n800? |
| 16:53.12 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; it's on my backup n900 waiting for this N900 to die :P |
| 16:53.18 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 16:53.31 | ShadowJK | N900's swap algorithm is better |
| 16:53.39 | ShadowJK | N800 has the standard linux swap |
| 16:54.17 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: I hope your primary n900 won;t die anytime soon |
| 16:54.34 | ShadowJK | waited for his last N900 to die before doing PR1.3 to 1.3.1 update too :-/ |
| 16:54.44 | kerio | yeah, freemangordon still hasn't updated cssu-thumb to the latest -testing |
| 16:54.47 | kerio | :[ |
| 16:55.02 | kerio | ShadowJK: what the hell |
| 16:55.06 | kerio | 1.3 to 1.3.1 is *one package* |
| 16:55.10 | freemangordon | kerio: check CSSU-testing thread on TMO |
| 16:55.45 | ShadowJK | When/if one thing goes wrong, many things start going wrong :-( |
| 16:55.49 | freemangordon | kerio: I WILL NOT update -thumb until -testinng is stable enough for my taste. Having in mind the userbase |
| 16:56.06 | ShadowJK | is nervous about updating main n900 since I like/use N900 so much :s |
| 16:56.26 | kerio | ShadowJK: the fact that you're nervous means that you don't have nearly enough backups |
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| 16:57.30 | ShadowJK | I do |
| 16:57.59 | kerio | so...? |
| 16:58.10 | ShadowJK | also has archived copies of N900 #1 and N900 #2 / at time of death too |
| 16:58.23 | ShadowJK | restoring seems to be a annoying task |
| 16:58.48 | kerio | ...it's 5 keys |
| 16:59.04 | ShadowJK | and for some reason tracker ignores old DCIM videos and pictures afterwards |
| 16:59.05 | kerio | well, i suppose that if you *really* screw up you also have to reflash with robbiethe1st's image first |
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| 17:00.15 | ShadowJK | i don't do backupmenu |
| 17:00.24 | ShadowJK | I'd have to switch on/off all the time wouldn't I? |
| 17:00.47 | kerio | meh, once in a while |
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| 17:01.16 | ShadowJK | the once in a while crash is annoying enough :/ |
| 17:01.18 | kerio | i end up making a full backup every 4 days or so |
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| 17:01.36 | ShadowJK | ends up booting N900 once a month or so |
| 17:02.18 | ShadowJK | dunno really what's causing it, IO just stalls |
| 17:03.00 | ShadowJK | afaict no in-flight IO to *mmc, nothing in dmesg about mmc problems |
| 17:03.12 | ShadowJK | like the kernel just locked up mmc IO :/ |
| 17:03.42 | ShadowJK | has been meaning to check if anything in /syspart is approaching memory limits right before this thing happens |
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| 17:09.36 | ShadowJK | kerio; btw I've found online a Sandisk UHS-I microsdhc in some "android edition" that I'm hoping would more geared towards IOPS, the marketing seems to vaguely hint at it |
| 17:09.46 | ShadowJK | but I'm not convinced |
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| 17:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: you really should use BM, it's good for you :-) |
| 17:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | even if only used once a month |
| 17:29.21 | ShadowJK | but I hate BSOD/crashing/freezing/booting :-/ |
| 17:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, annoying that fremantle needs a boot after core lib update ;-P |
| 17:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually that's virtually the only feasible way to get an umounted rootfs |
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| 17:32.04 | ShadowJK | backing up /home and Mydocs seems to mostly work though |
| 17:32.12 | ShadowJK | except the tracker issue after restoring |
| 17:33.11 | ShadowJK | and I can do it over wifi without needing reboots |
| 17:33.33 | kerio | ShadowJK: it's also somewhat annoying to restore |
| 17:33.40 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 17:33.50 | ShadowJK | but my goal is to only do that when N900 dies |
| 17:33.52 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 17:34.10 | kerio | don't complain about being scared of losing stuff with your n900 when you do updates then |
| 17:34.24 | kerio | you chose to be scared |
| 17:34.26 | ShadowJK | well dunno |
| 17:34.32 | kerio | by not doing BM backups |
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| 17:34.35 | ShadowJK | painless backup with annoying restore |
| 17:34.51 | ShadowJK | or painful backups with less annoying restore |
| 17:34.58 | kerio | >painful |
| 17:35.22 | kerio | boot, b t s s q |
| 17:35.46 | kerio | or boot, b t s s, connect usb, w, copy files, disconnect usb, q |
| 17:36.03 | ShadowJK | booting is pretty annoying too |
| 17:36.17 | kerio | ...no it's not? |
| 17:36.19 | ShadowJK | opening everything again |
| 17:36.34 | kerio | heh, i keep everything closed |
| 17:36.41 | kerio | maybe it's that |
| 17:37.31 | ShadowJK | always has atleast 2 x-terms (+ 3 screen sessions) and xchat open |
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| 17:38.00 | ShadowJK | and then I need to go and set the /chanmode I want for every tab in xchat :/ |
| 17:38.21 | kerio | NIN102: what's the tab key in rescueos? |
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| 17:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, what's painful in doing a BM full image when you need to boot anyway? not liking to reboot is a bogus argument, since this forbids any decent updating |
| 17:39.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's the ctrl+key combination for escape, in unix? |
| 17:39.21 | NIN102 | kerio I forgot. I didn't create this keymap, so just try :P |
| 17:39.25 | ShadowJK | "when I need to boot anyway" rarely I'm close to any backup machine? |
| 17:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I do BM backups maybe every 8 to 12 weeks, in between automated rsync backups |
| 17:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl-[ iirc |
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| 17:40.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: crap, no [ in rescueOS either |
| 17:42.58 | ShadowJK | what about ctrl-i? |
| 17:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's TAB |
| 17:43.12 | kerio | huh, why didn't it work? :o |
| 17:43.19 | kerio | ah crap i was trying fn+key |
| 17:43.23 | kerio | is teh dumb |
| 17:44.10 | ShadowJK | so where does backupmenu install itself anyway? initfs? |
| 17:44.36 | kerio | ShadowJK: no, /etc/bootmenu.d/ and /usr/share/ |
| 17:44.52 | ShadowJK | where does bootmenu install? |
| 17:44.59 | kerio | a hook in preinit |
| 17:45.01 | ShadowJK | is that the thing that reflashes kernel on boot |
| 17:45.08 | kerio | no, that's multiboot |
| 17:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 17:45.16 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 17:45.47 | ShadowJK | so it's that thing that runs-if-exists and keypad open? |
| 17:45.52 | kerio | yes |
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| 17:50.58 | kerio | Pali: recovery-boot idea: run the shell in a while loop, so you can't accidentally ^d it |
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| 18:07.13 | kerio | hrmpf, it's the second time that the welcome screen shows up without any reason |
| 18:09.20 | kerio | i bet it's recovery-boot's fault |
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| 20:13.48 | Devilinside | android doesnot show any mobile hotspot? |
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| 20:20.31 | kerio | i bet that Quix0te used an old version of ZNC and the stickychan module |
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| 21:02.24 | merlin1991 | kerio: that sounds like you've got experience there :D |
| 21:03.00 | kerio | yep |
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| 21:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 21:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF is Quix0te? |
| 21:28.58 | vi_ | a spanish novel by cervantes. |
| 21:29.23 | vi_ | kerio: what was the noob class you recommended me for nethack? |
| 21:29.32 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: the other interpretation is all the lines like this: Quix0te (~Quix0te@unaffiliated/quix0te) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Excess Flood) |
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| 21:30.01 | kerio | vi_: dwarf valk |
| 21:30.28 | vi_ | also, what abou unnethack? |
| 21:30.48 | kerio | the mines will be mostly peaceful, you're lawful so you can get excalibur at level 5 by dipping your sword in a fountain, you get speed at level 7 |
| 21:30.57 | kerio | what about it? |
| 21:31.11 | vi_ | dude! NO SPOILERZ. |
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| 21:31.32 | kerio | NO SPOILERZ means that you'll ascend in about 10 years |
| 21:31.33 | vi_ | should I play it or NH vanilla? |
| 21:31.44 | kerio | after writing your own spoilers |
| 21:32.14 | vi_ | kerio: meh, thats fine. |
| 21:32.24 | kerio | it's not, it's *boring* |
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| 21:33.18 | kerio | well, unnethack's interface is better |
| 21:33.22 | kerio | but overall it's a harder game |
| 21:33.37 | kerio | also, it fucks up the dragon color coding, which is something that greatly upsets me |
| 21:33.59 | kerio | i've been pestering bhaak to make him fix it, but he still hasn't done that ._. |
| 21:34.17 | vi_ | what a dick. |
| 21:34.26 | vi_ | have you played doomrl? |
| 21:35.16 | kerio | yes i have |
| 21:35.18 | kerio | didn't really like it |
| 21:39.23 | vi_ | I thought it was kinda neat. |
| 21:39.36 | vi_ | not many rl s with gunz. |
| 21:43.20 | kerio | heh, slashem |
| 21:53.41 | FIQ | <ShadowJK> and then I need to go and set the /chanmode I want for every tab in xchat :/ |
| 21:53.49 | FIQ | *that* thing should be possible to automate easily |
| 21:55.12 | kerio | wtf is chanmode anyway? |
| 21:55.56 | FIQ | I guess he means /chanopt |
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| 22:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither seems to work |
| 22:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like a windoze mouse nudger wondering what might be a hotkey |
| 22:25.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, seems xchat specific |
| 22:31.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably should switch from Konversation to xchat on X86 |
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| 22:37.39 | joerg_rw_ | ~botsnack |
| 22:37.39 | infobot | joerg_rw_: thanks |
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| 23:14.25 | Aoyagi | Hi, I thought this would be a nice place to inquire about N900 or Maemo in general...isn't it? |
| 23:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | absolutely |
| 23:15.55 | Aoyagi | Great, I plan to get one of those and I could use some intel before I actually buy it :) |
| 23:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo newbe? |
| 23:17.16 | Aoyagi | Not even that yet. |
| 23:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | linux? |
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| 23:17.55 | Aoyagi | Currently I'm sort of a sub-life derivate. |
| 23:18.23 | Aoyagi | And I have ... some linux experience, nothing to be proud of though. |
| 23:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sufficient, if you love it nevertheless |
| 23:19.13 | Hurrian | Aoyagi, despite the age, it's actually kind of snappy once you get around to installing CSSU-Thumb |
| 23:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of maemons got introduced to linux by their N900 |
| 23:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: hoooh, not that fast with a new member :-D |
| 23:19.47 | Aoyagi | Heh, no doubt. |
| 23:21.23 | Hurrian | meh, learn to use apt-get properly and you can get mostly everything you want done. |
| 23:21.43 | Hurrian | Messing with configuration files comes much, much later. |
| 23:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: don't you think our new community meber might first want to *get* a device? |
| 23:22.09 | Aoyagi | Sounds like a general linux rule of thumb :3 |
| 23:22.47 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: well, they're rock bottom cheap, hopefully cheap enough to fall into the "disposable income" category of spending |
| 23:22.57 | Hurrian | My advice is, if you're familiar with Linux, start browsing the repository, and develop a peculiar interest in kernel-power. |
| 23:23.19 | Hurrian | Everything you will need to know will come after that. |
| 23:23.21 | Aoyagi | DocScrutinizer05: Actually the reasons why I figured this one would be the best choice are pretty shallow. The original impulse was "Linux, but screw google" |
| 23:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | my advice: get a N900, possibly a 'new' one. Then do your first flashing and update experiences, and enjoy maemo a few days or weeks |
| 23:24.22 | Aoyagi | That's the plan. |
| 23:24.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: sounds like a pretty good rationale |
| 23:24.47 | Hurrian | Better yet, force yourself to use it as a phone for a month. |
| 23:24.55 | Hurrian | That should get you used to it. |
| 23:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: you'll love N900 since it's really linux, unlike any android device |
| 23:25.55 | Hurrian | Leaving it on a desk for occasional playtime is a surefire way to never touch it. |
| 23:26.00 | Aoyagi | Force? I don't need to do such things, I broke my N95 in two pieces due to rage, alcohol and poor judgment. And I'll be damned if I stay any longer with C2 |
| 23:27.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: beware of 'new' N900 origin Hongkong, they're most frequently poorly refurbished ones |
| 23:27.29 | Aoyagi | DocScrutinizer51: So about that, I have this somewhat major question - can it do the 'usb memory' mode? Without any application installed on the PC? |
| 23:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:27.46 | Hurrian | Aoyagi: An ex-N95 user? Man, you're about two years late on the upgrade train. |
| 23:28.08 | Aoyagi | Hurrian: I wouldn't ditch the phone if it didn't break. |
| 23:28.23 | Aoyagi | DocScrutinizer05: Great, I was asking because I read somewhere that it can't do it. |
| 23:28.59 | Hurrian | Aoyagi: Ditched mine because of poor battery life. Speaking of which, the N900 has so-so battery life. |
| 23:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, plug device to any PC, select "Mass Storage Mode" from popup menu on N900, access it from PC like a usual USB memory stick with 28GB capacity and VFAT filesystem |
| 23:29.44 | Hurrian | As a benchmark, when you get one, and flash it clean, if the battery's new it should last 4 hours browsing the Internet via WiFi. |
| 23:30.02 | Aoyagi | Hurrian: So wait. |
| 23:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 8 days in standby mode |
| 23:30.20 | Aoyagi | If I understand it correctly, you consider N900 to be the next N95? |
| 23:30.45 | Hurrian | Aoyagi, if by that you mean "the quintessential Nokia device of its time", then yes. |
| 23:31.18 | Hurrian | It did come out with the N97, which according to my friends is a complete pile of dog shit. And more expensive than the N900. |
| 23:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 is the best device ever built by Nokia |
| 23:31.28 | Aoyagi | heh |
| 23:31.47 | Aoyagi | And I have an N97 too. It's slow as hell, otherwise not -that- bad. |
| 23:32.03 | Hurrian | Oh, and when you get your N900, you think the battery life sucks, don't worry. The N9 has worse battery life. |
| 23:32.18 | Aoyagi | Well |
| 23:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I guess 75% here will agree it's still not replaceable by any other device |
| 23:32.33 | nox- | ..and you cant even swap the n9 battery right? |
| 23:32.51 | Aoyagi | N9 also has capacitive touchscreen and no physical keyboard and those two things I can't stand... |
| 23:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll *love* your N900 :-) |
| 23:33.38 | Aoyagi | If I find one anyway. |
| 23:33.48 | NeutrinoPower | on ebay... |
| 23:34.12 | NeutrinoPower | I got one last week for 90€ |
| 23:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, it seems on Poland there are really new ones available still |
| 23:34.35 | NeutrinoPower | and I like it |
| 23:34.47 | NeutrinoPower | new N900? |
| 23:34.55 | Aoyagi | DocScrutinizer05: Some of the shops here say so as well, but that depends on how trustworthy are they. |
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| 23:35.14 | Aoyagi | (here being Czech Republic of Crap) |
| 23:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | gathered as much |
| 23:35.44 | Hurrian | Europe? It'd be a cinch to grab new N900s. |
| 23:36.08 | Hurrian | Elsewhere, you're not so lucky. Paying postal and dealing with customs is suffering. |
| 23:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think you could order in Germany, bluephon has display mint condition ones every now and then, offers on ebay under various names |
| 23:36.46 | Aoyagi | Hm, I'd better check some UK stores too. |
| 23:37.00 | Aoyagi | Wouldn't want to get some messed up keyboard layout. |
| 23:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, I think UK is a tad expensive |
| 23:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually of my 2 bluephon devices one came with qwerty |
| 23:38.09 | Hurrian | Oh, I've got one more suggestion. If you love your N900, I recommend grabbing 2 more (even if they're partially working) devices to cannibalize parts off. |
| 23:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | swapping keymat is really piss simple. Getting new keymat maybe not that easy though |
| 23:38.20 | Aoyagi | Well, 280 GPB would be an acceptable price. |
| 23:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | UGH |
| 23:38.43 | Aoyagi | for meee |
| 23:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a new one in original package maybe |
| 23:38.56 | Aoyagi | Hurrian: Yeah, I'll get one or two used ones as well, just to make sure :) |
| 23:39.01 | Aoyagi | DocScrutinizer05: Yep. |
| 23:39.18 | Aoyagi | And there better be one somewhere out there. |
| 23:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | new ones here in D are 180..250EUR |
| 23:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | without original packaging |
| 23:39.44 | Hurrian | I have five working N900s, one as the princess N900, and the other four are built out of scrapped N900s. |
| 23:40.38 | Aoyagi | Isn't that a bit of an overkill? |
| 23:41.18 | Hurrian | Aoyagi, I love me some N900s. |
| 23:41.49 | Aoyagi | So it would seem ^^ |
| 23:41.59 | Hurrian | Bought a box of defective ones at the local electronics grey market, and put together working ones. |
| 23:42.31 | Hurrian | I've got around three units worth of dud parts (broken case/camera/screen/slider/magnet), and the rest I haven't checked yet. |
| 23:42.59 | Aoyagi | Sounds like a lot of tinkering. |
| 23:43.06 | Hurrian | I may be able to assemble more of them, but testing each component takes quite some time. |
| 23:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: bluephon24: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nokia-Akku-BL-5J-Original-C3-00-N900-X6-X6-16GB-X6-32GB-/270987362144?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item3f181aff60#ht_2412wt_1139 |
| 23:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | dealer OK |
| 23:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | find a phone of them, and you're fine |
| 23:44.31 | Aoyagi | See, I don't understand what th hell is it saying :D |
| 23:45.11 | Hurrian | Aoyagi: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-Akku-BL-5J-Original-C3-00-N900-X6-X6-16GB-X6-32GB-/270987362144?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item3f181aff60#ht_2412wt_1139 |
| 23:45.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: ther are a lot more http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?LH_BIN=1&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=nokia+n900+32gb but I don't know any of those sellers |
| 23:46.12 | Hurrian | USD348? The f***? |
| 23:46.39 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, you may want to check "New" as the condition |
| 23:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: I did: 1 item |
| 23:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | location HONGKONG |
| 23:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | beware! |
| 23:48.10 | Hurrian | Aoyagi, notice that the devices from Hong Kong are priced ~GBP130 or so |
| 23:48.30 | Aoyagi | Is there any way to tell them apart? |
| 23:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's around 129 too much |
| 23:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | google for "<seller> problem" |
| 23:49.15 | Hurrian | Aoyagi, HK devices are hit and miss |
| 23:49.23 | Hurrian | you may be sold a refurb when they say new |
| 23:50.22 | Aoyagi | "Dispatched from Hong Kong" is not what I want to see then, huh? |
| 23:50.34 | Hurrian | yup., |
| 23:50.57 | Aoyagi | "Dispatched from United Kingdom" sounds nice enough... |
| 23:51.15 | Hurrian | And one more thing, if you see sellers jacking up the price because it's "unlocked" avoid them. |
| 23:51.26 | Hurrian | The N900 has not been sold simlocked. |
| 23:51.27 | Hurrian | Ever. |
| 23:52.23 | Aoyagi | I don't think the range of sellers will be exactly wide. But I might as well tell our company supplier to look for one too. |
| 23:57.26 | Aoyagi | "used" one with 6 months warranty for 130¤... :/ |
| 23:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: incorrect, some carriers sold them simlocked |
| 23:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: you might want to check the Polish ones |
| 23:59.30 | Aoyagi | I imagine it isn't that much of a problem to unlock them. |
| 23:59.59 | SpeedEvil | may not be possible |