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| 00:12.21 | RzR | teotwaki, i am making my personnal backup |
| 00:12.27 | RzR | will tell you how big is it |
| 00:12.39 | teotwaki | RzR: I don't care about size, no worries |
| 00:12.45 | RzR | i care :) |
| 00:13.01 | teotwaki | RzR: and you're the kind of people why I'm not making the back up right now. |
| 00:13.32 | RzR | I guess it will here to stay |
| 00:13.57 | RzR | I mean stay as long as we can do that backup :) |
| 00:14.53 | RzR | anyway this is a good news |
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| 08:42.34 | Pali | ping Skry |
| 08:43.04 | Pali | Skry, can you give me link for your n900 linux 3.x git tree? |
| 08:43.49 | freemangordon_ | Pali: what are those MR for microb-engine on gitorious? |
| 08:43.58 | freemangordon_ | *MRs |
| 08:44.54 | Pali | what is MR? |
| 08:45.02 | freemangordon_ | merge request |
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| 08:45.44 | Pali | ah, when I looked into all microb* repositories I rebased -engine history for better reading |
| 08:46.06 | Pali | it is only rebased |
| 08:46.21 | freemangordon_ | whatever that means :D. ok. |
| 08:46.38 | Pali | clone both repos and look at git history |
| 08:46.43 | Pali | with 'gitk' |
| 08:47.52 | freemangordon_ | Pali: https://github.com/skry/linux-n900 |
| 08:47.57 | Pali | ok |
| 08:48.00 | freemangordon_ | i think this is the kernel |
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| 08:48.49 | freemangordon_ | Pali: you'll need http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/kernel3.5/ |
| 08:48.58 | Pali | ok |
| 08:48.59 | freemangordon_ | iirc I included the config file too |
| 08:49.36 | Pali | freemangordon, In that merge request I linearized commits |
| 08:49.52 | freemangordon_ | Pali: aah, now I got it , ok, nice |
| 08:50.18 | freemangordon_ | Pali: why not join #maemo-alternatives ? |
| 08:50.29 | freemangordon_ | Skry is ususally active there |
| 08:50.33 | freemangordon_ | *usualy |
| 08:50.40 | Pali | what is -alternatives? |
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| 08:51.24 | freemangordon_ | ask skry for better explanation, but afaik it is because of ALARM |
| 08:51.48 | Pali | for microb-engine, see: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine/graph/thumb-testing and http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pali-microb-engine/graph/thumb-testing |
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| 08:52.16 | freemangordon_ | Pali: ok, I was just wondering |
| 08:53.03 | Pali | note that merge to main repo is not possible, due to it does not have common ancestor |
| 08:53.26 | Pali | it is needed to push --force to overwrite it |
| 08:53.41 | freemangordon_ | BTW I have the nasty feeling that gitorious upgrade has screwed up CSSU repo |
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| 08:56.14 | tadzik | funny, how I'm told about some GMO government decisions in my country on talk.maemo.org |
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| 09:03.11 | tadzik | yeah, it's about food I think |
| 09:03.39 | tadzik | haha. Read in reverse GMO is OMG |
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| 12:37.00 | vi____ | how come the date command does not work? |
| 12:37.25 | vi____ | Or more to the point wtf clock is hildon using that is not the 'real' clock? |
| 12:38.39 | vi____ | Or what I really mean is, why does the 'date' command not update the clock immediatley? |
| 12:44.26 | r00t|home | lol |
| 12:44.49 | r00t|home | i noticed that too... because my rtc backup battery is dead and i switch batteries regularly, and then set the time with ntpdate |
| 12:45.02 | r00t|home | i guess the clock app just caches the time... |
| 12:47.12 | vi____ | it updates if you lock/unlock the screen. |
| 12:47.16 | vi____ | What a POS. |
| 12:47.25 | r00t|home | is that one opensource? |
| 12:47.38 | vi____ | the clock? |
| 12:47.40 | r00t|home | yes |
| 12:47.47 | vi____ | I have the stock clock. |
| 12:48.06 | vi____ | I have never found a compelling reason to switch to the OS alternative. |
| 12:48.46 | r00t|home | package name? |
| 12:49.00 | vi____ | for the OS alternative clock? |
| 12:49.17 | r00t|home | whatever you are using |
| 12:49.52 | vi____ | I have literally no idea. It is just the 'clock' program on the n900. |
| 12:50.08 | r00t|home | ah, so the default one... |
| 12:50.13 | vi____ | ya |
| 12:50.30 | r00t|home | my question was if it's opensource, and thus if the behaviour could be fixed |
| 12:51.46 | vi____ | In other news, I have replaced that utterly retarded 'osso startup wizard' dialogue that makes you swipe to set the date and time with a zenity dialogue that just allows you to enter a (MMDDhhmmYY) string of numbers. |
| 12:52.29 | r00t|home | how does one replace that screen? (i'd just remove it completely and put a hook for ntp/gps date setting somewhere instead) |
| 12:53.10 | vi____ | r00t|home: It is not so easy to fix. I believe the clock applet has to poll the hwclock. To keep polls to a minimum, it is probably only updated once every 30s/unlock. |
| 12:53.39 | r00t|home | there is no need to poll the _hw_ clock... you just poll the _os_ clock once per second, like any other clock app... |
| 12:53.42 | vi____ | r00t|home: I though of that but that would require a net connection/gps cold start that would take forever. |
| 12:53.53 | vi____ | r00t|home: I do not know how it works. |
| 12:54.36 | r00t|home | is there any serious problem with just booting with the clock set wrong until you have a net connection? the only issue is if i receive text messages or calls before the clock is set, they will be logged with the wrong date |
| 12:54.38 | vi____ | To replace startup wizard (SUW) edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard |
| 12:55.20 | vi____ | r00t|home: I do not think so, I removed SUW for a long time and just set the clock from the status menu for a while. It seemed to work ok... |
| 12:55.37 | vi____ | ...Except that one time I forgot to do it and my morning alarm did not work. |
| 12:56.05 | vi____ | Edit the above file, you will see it does some fiddling with locales then runs the SUW dialogue. |
| 12:56.12 | r00t|home | yeah |
| 12:56.51 | vi____ | I just replaced the exec SUW with /path/to/my/script.sh |
| 12:56.55 | r00t|home | actually the main reason i dislike the startup dialog is that when i boot the phone and put it in my pocket because i don't have time to wait for it to boot, it keeps ending up in some funny locale... |
| 12:57.01 | vi____ | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:57.02 | vi____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.23 | r00t|home | shouldn't that be date -s ? |
| 12:57.31 | vi____ | r00t|home: Well mine is set to eng_gb |
| 12:58.05 | vi____ | r00t|home: maybe, it works as such anyway. |
| 12:58.23 | vi____ | Crummy busybox date command. |
| 12:58.43 | r00t|home | there is a locale setting in the startup dialog aswell, and it keeps getting changed because the touchscreen isn't locked |
| 12:59.12 | vi____ | aah |
| 12:59.23 | vi____ | pocket language change. |
| 12:59.42 | vi____ | Perhaps for you it would be better to apt-get remove SUW |
| 13:00.37 | r00t|home | doesn't seem to be in a separate package... |
| 13:01.18 | r00t|home | osso-startup-wizard |
| 13:02.48 | vi____ | then start a script from xsession.post that will do your connect to the net/update via ntp etc. |
| 13:02.52 | r00t|home | i'll find out if the phone works without |
| 13:03.02 | vi____ | r00t|home: It works. |
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| 13:03.08 | vi____ | Or at least it worked for me! |
| 13:03.18 | vi____ | Just do not forget to set the time! |
| 13:03.34 | r00t|home | i'd rather use event.d for the date setting stuff |
| 13:03.52 | vi____ | Yeah |
| 13:04.12 | vi____ | I will be interested to see what you come up with. |
| 13:04.15 | r00t|home | what would be nice would be a non-gui gps date setting program (aka not gpsrecorder) |
| 13:04.42 | vi____ | I imagine there will be a way to do it from a python script. |
| 13:05.03 | vi____ | r00t|home: bearing in mind though you will be starting the GPS from a cold start. |
| 13:05.09 | r00t|home | problem is you only get the data via location api, no easy to parse nmea |
| 13:05.18 | vi____ | It could take forever/never getting the time. |
| 13:05.27 | r00t|home | i use an external gps most of the time, so that is not an issue |
| 13:05.34 | vi____ | r00t|home: aah. |
| 13:05.53 | vi____ | If only there was a simple way to get the time from the phone network. |
| 13:05.54 | r00t|home | would be nice to try both ntp and gps, whatever works first |
| 13:06.10 | r00t|home | there is, but nobody (no operator) supports it? |
| 13:06.28 | vi____ | I do not know. |
| 13:06.39 | vi____ | All I know SUW is a pain in the dick. |
| 13:06.39 | r00t|home | _every_ gsm phone has an option for it, but i've never ever seen it work |
| 13:07.52 | r00t|home | "date and time" settings on n900 also has an "update automatically" checkbox |
| 13:07.55 | vi____ | Do you know where thumbnailerd is started? |
| 13:08.00 | r00t|home | that sure as hell doesn't work... |
| 13:08.01 | r00t|home | no idea |
| 13:08.06 | vi____ | r00t|home: yup. |
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| 13:10.37 | r00t|home | the most fun thing i have is an event.d file that starts pppd on a bluetooth/rfcomm socket so i can dial in from my notebook like with any other phone (just that it connects to the phone as a router instead of the operator network directly) |
| 13:11.16 | vi____ | r00t|home: please explain. |
| 13:11.37 | r00t|home | the n900 by default does not give you anything to share it's internet connection? |
| 13:12.07 | r00t|home | there is some (payware) app to run a wlan AP (or one could set that up manually) |
| 13:12.10 | r00t|home | but i prefer bluetooth |
| 13:12.21 | vi____ | BT==much lower power. |
| 13:12.36 | vi____ | Is there a nice wiki page explaining how to set this up? |
| 13:12.51 | r00t|home | i tried to register on the wiki months ago but it doesn't work |
| 13:14.18 | r00t|home | ~ $ grep [a-z] /etc/event.d/btppp |
| 13:14.18 | r00t|home | description "ppp dialin via bt" |
| 13:14.18 | r00t|home | author "r00t" |
| 13:14.18 | r00t|home | start on MOUNTS_OK |
| 13:14.18 | r00t|home | stop on starting shutdown |
| 13:14.19 | r00t|home | console none |
| 13:14.21 | r00t|home | respawn |
| 13:14.22 | r00t|home | script |
| 13:14.25 | r00t|home | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 13:14.26 | r00t|home | /usr/sbin/iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o gprs0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 13:14.29 | r00t|home | /usr/bin/rfcomm watch rfcomm22 22 /usr/sbin/pppd {} noauth 10.10.10.1:10.10.10.2 |
| 13:14.31 | r00t|home | end script |
| 13:14.32 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.39 | r00t|home | and then on your notebook, you just setup an rfcomm link and connect pppd to it |
| 13:15.29 | r00t|home | the only "problem" is that the rfcomm port is not recognized by windows and such as the correct dialup service, so it only works by manually specifying the port (22) |
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| 13:17.26 | r00t|home | (the service isn't registered with bluetooth service discovery (sdp)) |
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| 13:18.32 | vi____ | nice |
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| 13:44.29 | r00t|home | do you know which script mounts the sdcard / where can i make it mount it as ext3 instead of msdos? |
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| 13:59.19 | int_ua | Is extras builder dying? https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-November/date.html |
| 14:02.54 | vi____ | The sd card is mounted irrespective of FS. |
| 14:03.04 | vi____ | (as long as the FS is supported by your kernel) |
| 14:03.07 | vi____ | AFAIK. |
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| 14:18.46 | r00t|home | vi____: no, it just says displays a message, "card format not supported" when it tries to mount |
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| 14:32.23 | rhn_mk0 | hi there - is there a way to fix/revert advanced power monitor update on Fremantle |
| 14:34.59 | vi____ | r00t|home: I am not sure. |
| 14:35.10 | vi____ | Have you looked at the scripts in /usr/sbin? |
| 14:35.36 | vi____ | /usr/sbin/mmc-mount |
| 14:35.40 | vi____ | mmc-rename.sh |
| 14:35.43 | vi____ | mmc-format |
| 14:35.49 | vi____ | mmc-check |
| 14:36.00 | DocScrutinizer06 | int_ua: autobuilder is out of order since quite some time it seems |
| 14:36.26 | vi____ | mmc-mount references 'vfat' and 'ntfs' |
| 14:36.30 | vi____ | r00t|home: ^^ |
| 14:38.07 | vi____ | rhn_mk0: I have no idea, what happened? |
| 14:38.15 | vi____ | Have you tried re-installing it? |
| 14:39.03 | rhn_mk0 | vi____: the top shelf widget says "starting APMD" and displays empty battery |
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| 14:39.23 | vi____ | I do not know |
| 14:39.36 | vi____ | I would try apt-get purge it. |
| 14:39.40 | vi____ | THen install it. |
| 14:39.48 | rhn_mk0 | I'll try |
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| 14:43.01 | r00t|home | vi____: thanks |
| 14:43.11 | r00t|home | vi____: replaced it with: exec mount "$1" "$2" ;) |
| 14:45.04 | rhn_mk0 | vi____: thanks, appears to have helped, somewhat |
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| 14:50.35 | vi____ | If you learned something new, make a short post about it on TMO so others may benefit from your knowledge. |
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| 15:19.07 | vi____ | FIQ: Did you get to the bottom of your sip issues? |
| 15:19.16 | FIQ | did I have any? |
| 15:19.54 | FIQ | vi____: I don't even use sip |
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| 15:24.07 | vi____ | Oh, I must be thinking of a different user. |
| 15:24.17 | vi____ | ...carry on. |
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| 15:40.03 | vi____ | r00t|home: It seems SUW checks to see if you need the date to be set or not. |
| 15:40.12 | vi____ | Then decides whether to run. |
| 15:40.27 | vi____ | So you need a check to see if the date has been set to the default. |
| 15:40.47 | vi____ | That is easy enough, just check to see if the year is 2009, if so, run your alternative. |
| 15:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: cssu-t supports ext3 partitions on uSD |
| 15:50.06 | ShadowJK | hm... Yesterday my local gsm mast was not working. Status said "repair in progress". Now it seems to work, but I also get 3g signal downstairs, at -70dBm. wtf |
| 15:50.12 | ShadowJK | did they upgrade it to 3g |
| 15:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | status? |
| 15:51.17 | r00t|home | vi____: i'd be doing the 2009 thing anyway |
| 15:51.19 | ShadowJK | The operator has a google maps overlay of faults |
| 15:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, nice |
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| 15:52.25 | ShadowJK | Yesterday 4 cone shaped things radiated outwards from where I live, and in the center was "2g Services impaired for some customers, repairs in progress" |
| 15:52.53 | ShadowJK | by "some" I guess they mean the other transmitters in area doesn't cover everything the dead mast does |
| 15:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably |
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| 15:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | now if we had a proper cmt with decent servicemode, you could've checked what they're doing |
| 15:55.37 | ShadowJK | hm well, 700kbyte/s downstairs in living room on 3g |
| 15:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example there's a cell-bar flag, that disallows normal phones to connect to the BTS, service mode though can invert that flag's meaning so the phone associates to barred cells only |
| 15:55.41 | ShadowJK | never seen that before |
| 15:56.03 | r00t|home | heh |
| 15:56.11 | ShadowJK | wonders how the hell they pipe that much bandwidth to the local tower |
| 15:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | directional microwave? |
| 15:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather common method |
| 15:57.07 | ShadowJK | oh I didn't think they'd push that much over microwave |
| 15:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can tell by the dish with diameter ~20..30cm on the mast |
| 15:58.13 | ShadowJK | the other operator in the mast has 25km line of sight to their nearest mast with fibre |
| 15:58.23 | ShadowJK | dunno about the operator I'm using tho |
| 15:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? why not? even 2.4GHz 802.11N does up to 100MB |
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| 16:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually I heard LTE is a big hoax since they don't have the bandwidth to backbone that they advertise for LTE over_the_air |
| 16:02.51 | ShadowJK | hehe |
| 16:03.00 | ShadowJK | 100M? |
| 16:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | often usual ADSL |
| 16:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | or SDSL |
| 16:04.41 | ShadowJK | Luckily the telcos here have a competency gap |
| 16:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the up to 100M LTE bandwidth are to a eNodeB that has a uplink of maybe 1M or 10M |
| 16:04.59 | ShadowJK | They're too incompetent to use adsl |
| 16:06.20 | ShadowJK | The former monopoly telco has fibreoptic lines hanging on telephone poles, but they have DAC-ADC boxes every kilometer, so the analog bandwidth gets squeezed to 5kbit/s or whatever :) |
| 16:06.43 | ShadowJK | they can't even do dsl on them, it's hilarious |
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| 16:08.21 | ShadowJK | The smallest cell operator has proper fibre running along main roads, and then microwave in towers 50km either side of the road |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | same problem here, no DSL with fibre. It's not exactly telcos' fault, it seems there are simply no DSL<->fibre units available on market |
| 16:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | my friend lived in a large industrial bulding complex, and he couldn't get DSL since the whole block got fibre. They finally were smart enough to route a copper cable from outside the building to his flat |
| 16:11.57 | ShadowJK | Well here it's also that they installed that fibreoptic thing before dsl existed |
| 16:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, same here |
| 16:12.08 | ShadowJK | so it's voice bandwidth only |
| 16:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually very ISDN centric |
| 16:12.56 | ShadowJK | fibre-vdsl / sdsl surely exists though? |
| 16:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so best you can get are 2*64kB |
| 16:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | we got copper-VDSL |
| 16:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | fibre-to-home is *very* rare here |
| 16:13.48 | ShadowJK | fibre - vdsl on copper? |
| 16:14.23 | ShadowJK | Yeah we had to build our own fibre here ;p |
| 16:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, they link the DSLAM in the switchbox next corner with optical fibre |
| 16:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | from there on it's VDSL on copper |
| 16:15.56 | ShadowJK | maybe operator rented some of our dark fibre, though I didn't see any new patches couple weeks ago when I visited this area's central last time.. and I would have noticed the excavator |
| 16:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-high-bit-rate_digital_subscriber_line#Europe |
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| 16:25.02 | vi____ | Damn. |
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| 16:25.17 | vi____ | Is there a mobile phone provider that does not compress images like O2? |
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| 16:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: hmm? |
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| 16:29.45 | vi____ | It would seem the O2 network intercept images(pictures) and re-compress them on the fly to save on bandwidth. |
| 16:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got image compression on HTTP? |
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| 16:30.02 | ShadowJK | Oh yeah, seems many operators in UK and USA intercept web traffic and recompress images to lower quality |
| 16:30.12 | vi____ | Is that even legal? |
| 16:30.27 | ShadowJK | some also insert javascript to produce context menus offering full quality pic |
| 16:30.40 | ShadowJK | if you want a single specific pic in original quality.. |
| 16:30.45 | ShadowJK | dunno |
| 16:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess if they do that's a service they offer to you, and most likely you can avoid that by using a different APN, or by setting up your account on some website they offer for that pupose |
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| 16:31.34 | ShadowJK | on one hand I'm kinda sad many sites are moving to https, because my squid proxy wont be caching much anymore, but then again hopefully it puts a stop to intercept-modify |
| 16:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all what's the benefit for operator in doing that? you're 'charged by the megabyte' usually |
| 16:32.31 | ShadowJK | Although, there are companies making transparent proxies capable of intercepting and decrypting https on the fly without browser's notifying the user (except google chrome, for specific google sites) |
| 16:33.01 | vi____ | ShadowJK: A MITM attack? |
| 16:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: hardly possible |
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| 16:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, they possibly can decrypt, but not alter content |
| 16:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: simple solution: use a proxy on your own box |
| 16:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | via https |
| 16:36.20 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: ugh. |
| 16:36.45 | vi____ | I have a limited upstream of 100kb/s on my home internet. |
| 16:37.40 | vi____ | What an utter ballache. |
| 16:37.51 | vi____ | Why is there something crippled on every network? |
| 16:38.12 | vi____ | O2, obnoxious traffic manipulation. |
| 16:38.19 | vi____ | Tmobile, SIP is blocked. |
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| 16:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: maybe you can find somebody with a box with FAAAT backbone who'd be willing to offer you an account ;-D |
| 16:42.01 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: do you have one? |
| 16:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess what's maemo.cloud-7 |
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| 16:42.36 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: my new proxy? |
| 16:42.40 | vi____ | credz pls. |
| 16:42.51 | vi____ | adduser vi_ now plox. |
| 16:43.25 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; basically browsers don't check much |
| 16:44.14 | ShadowJK | so if you have a fancy enough cert with which to sign, browser accepts it, even if the signing key isn't the one the site is really supposed to be signed with |
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| 17:13.57 | kerio | vi____: echo foo | sudo gainroot? |
| 17:13.59 | kerio | HELL NO |
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| 17:33.42 | kgu | where to find changelog for 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo6? |
| 17:34.07 | tadzik | on tmo |
| 17:34.29 | kgu | can't find changelog for testing flavor.. |
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| 17:34.38 | tadzik | it's in testing thread, merlin1991 posted it |
| 17:35.19 | kgu | ohh, no wiki page? |
| 17:35.33 | kerio | the wiki is kinda broken atm |
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| 17:37.10 | kgu | ok, thx |
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| 17:45.58 | kerio | vi____: no, seriously, every time you echo something to sudo gainroot, god kills a kitten |
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| 17:49.37 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 17:49.49 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'. |
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| 18:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: do you expect that to change? |
| 18:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: might as well be a zombie irssi session on some forgotton server |
| 18:11.37 | RST38h | Doc: By the way, have you encountered a CSSU bug where Opera crashes when started from the desktop? |
| 18:11.43 | RST38h | Doc: But works fine from xterm |
| 18:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | not using opera |
| 18:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds weird though |
| 18:12.59 | RST38h | similar problem happened before with BrainBench (I think) |
| 18:13.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 18:13.14 | Drathir | hi all... |
| 18:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | try redirecting stdin/out to dev/null, use run-standalone.sh |
| 18:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | check dbus stuff |
| 18:14.35 | tadzik | RST38h: that's operabug, not maemobug |
| 18:14.36 | RST38h | will wait for freemangordon and WHINE =) |
| 18:14.54 | RST38h | tadzik: Sure about it? Opera worked fine before a few latest CSSU updates |
| 18:14.59 | tadzik | yes |
| 18:15.02 | RST38h | tadzik: Still works fine from xterm |
| 18:15.06 | tadzik | yes |
| 18:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? cssu? |
| 18:15.21 | Drathir | im testing dillo looks nice, exclude no touch evry place scrolling only right scrollbar... |
| 18:15.23 | tadzik | also, I thunk it fixed itself a while ago :) |
| 18:15.35 | RST38h | not here |
| 18:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's any of cssu patches going to change the way opera works? |
| 18:15.50 | tadzik | it's not a problem with opera the binary, but something related to browserjs it downloads from opera servers |
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| 18:16.04 | RST38h | any way to reset it? |
| 18:16.04 | tadzik | RST38h: does it work for you on wifi? |
| 18:16.18 | RST38h | does not matter what connection I am using |
| 18:16.23 | tadzik | weird then |
| 18:17.33 | RST38h | how do I reset browserjs? |
| 18:19.40 | tadzik | you don't reset it |
| 18:19.52 | tadzik | you may try renaming your .opera or whatsitsname |
| 18:20.08 | RST38h | ah ok |
| 18:20.57 | tadzik | not sure if that'd help tho |
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| 18:42.35 | ShadowJK | opera works fine from launcher now for me |
| 18:42.51 | kerio | worksforme too |
| 18:43.15 | ShadowJK | also new stuff appeared in speed dial after it stopped crashing |
| 18:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? |
| 18:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | which speed dial? which new stuff? |
| 18:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | some opera specific thing? |
| 18:45.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders launching opera. If it's maybe already installed |
| 18:48.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | opera 11.50.14 WFM |
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| 18:49.21 | ShadowJK | a grid of "bookmarks" |
| 18:49.47 | ShadowJK | iirc there was only opera and bbc news there by default before |
| 18:50.33 | ShadowJK | now g+, gmail, google search, opera mobile store (android only lol), opera sports news, my opera, bbc news |
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| 18:51.48 | RST38h | Maybe I need to reinstall |
| 18:51.53 | RST38h | or delete .opera |
| 18:53.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: found '*1' etc speeddials |
| 18:53.43 | ShadowJK | try delete the broser js |
| 18:54.42 | ShadowJK | oh hm, I dont have it anymore |
| 18:55.57 | ShadowJK | was a 115-ish k file in .opera |
| 18:57.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | nokiagadgets.com/2011/11/03/opera-mobile-11-5-for-symbian-maemo-and-meegorunning-on-intels-soc/ takes forever to render though, in opera |
| 18:58.43 | ShadowJK | full of javascript to path buggy websites on the fly |
| 19:00.43 | RST38h | A'ok |
| 19:01.23 | RST38h | KILLED. |
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| 19:14.48 | RST38h | Seems to work now |
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| 19:15.01 | RST38h | ShadowJK: thanks! |
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| 19:33.29 | Drathir | helium browser dont work for me goin to try others avaible.... |
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| 20:24.45 | kerio | hm, helium browser is cool |
| 20:28.30 | NeutrinoPower | works Firefox 17 on Maemo? |
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| 20:29.37 | SpeedEvil | the re is no prevuilt version, that I am aware of |
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| 20:53.49 | kerio | NeutrinoPower: it's basically unusable outside of cssu-thumb, it uses too much ram |
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| 20:56.24 | amospalla | even with thumb its quite slow |
| 20:56.26 | NeutrinoPower | and midori? |
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| 20:57.36 | amospalla | I've used debian's midori inside chroot, its a nice one, but not comfortable to use without keyboard and mouse |
| 20:57.51 | amospalla | I suggest opera |
| 20:58.01 | kerio | i just don't get what's wrong with microb |
| 20:58.49 | amospalla | I feel opera faster, loading and moving on websites |
| 20:59.20 | amospalla | also, multitab works really well, and the zoom function is unique to it right now |
| 20:59.31 | amospalla | I use microb when need flash only |
| 21:00.26 | amospalla | AFAIK, latest opera works better with heavy js sites than microb |
| 21:01.05 | amospalla | but still, I would prefer using fennec.. :/ |
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| 21:08.37 | vi__ | well, we need to build a debian squeeze armhf chroot. |
| 21:08.55 | vi__ | to eek the last power out of the n900. |
| 21:10.09 | vi__ | I tried changing ed image to arch armhf. |
| 21:10.25 | vi__ | It ruined everything. |
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| 21:18.56 | Drathir | amospalla: fennec works for you smoothly? O.o |
| 21:20.01 | kerio | vi____: EEEEEEEVERYTHING |
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| 21:38.28 | amospalla | Drathir: no |
| 21:39.01 | amospalla | I meant, I wish it could run |
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| 22:17.32 | NeutrinoPower | have anyone a recommendation for a podcast-player? |
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| 22:53.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: you know package interface? |
| 22:54.08 | NeutrinoPower | yes |
| 22:54.15 | NeutrinoPower | awesome :) |
| 22:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 22:54.44 | NeutrinoPower | ah, thank you |
| 22:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yields: |
| 22:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | gpodder gPodder Podcast Client |
| 22:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | panucci Panucci resuming audiobook and podcast player |
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| 23:17.08 | tadzik | is it that hard to get a new N900 as tmo seems to indicate? |
| 23:17.36 | tadzik | I checked a few days ago and there was like 5 auctions of new N900s with warranties on Polish eBay equivalent |
| 23:17.45 | SpeedEvil | new old stock is uncommon |
| 23:18.21 | SpeedEvil | link? |
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| 23:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: beware of hongkong stuff, it's refurbished at best |
| 23:23.35 | tadzik | http://allegro.pl/listing.php/search?buy=4&category=4978&change_view=1&sg=0&string=n900 |
| 23:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are occasional display-N900 without original packaging but usually mint condition, for 180..250EUR |
| 23:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bought 2 of them, both OK |
| 23:26.27 | SpeedEvil | also, warranty is extremely unlikely to be with Nokia |
| 23:26.44 | SpeedEvil | and if it is, is almost meaningless |
| 23:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but in EU you got 6 month seller's waranty |
| 23:27.06 | SpeedEvil | well, yes. |
| 23:27.21 | SpeedEvil | if they are a legit business |
| 23:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if they send you a lemon, you send it back |
| 23:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, of course |
| 23:28.02 | SpeedEvil | distance selling rules are also good |
| 23:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | call them by phone, google their addr |
| 23:28.29 | tadzik | I got a year of warranty with mine, I guess it's gone now that I've fixed it myself |
| 23:32.02 | Drathir | tadzik: new or only look like new? the best is one who want sell new for 1.2k pln... |
| 23:32.32 | tadzik | new what? |
| 23:32.51 | Drathir | tadzik: n900 i mean |
| 23:33.13 | tadzik | well, mine was sold as new. It looked new and smelled new too :) |
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| 23:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas it seems hard to order to abroad from those Polish sellers |
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| 23:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | my 2 N900 were origin Duesseldorf, and that's been fine for me being German customer |
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