IRC log for #maemo on 20121127

00:00.33Preflexat least, that's the time of the last entry here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-November/date.html
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00:15.14Preflextrying scp or dput but i guess garage hasn't updated my key yet.
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00:19.33PreflexI guess I'll just wait a few hours and try again with dput.
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00:29.02Drathirvi____: lol ^^ ad step 1... hrhr
00:46.20M4rtinKPreflex: the autobuilder is down - since november 6
00:46.54M4rtinKPreflex: they are hopefully working on making it work again
00:47.05DocScrutinizer05:-S
00:47.14DocScrutinizer05like wiki
00:47.17PreflexOh.  Thanks.
00:48.22M4rtinKfor more info see the recent posts in: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59933
00:51.57M4rtinKalso according to: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1298719#post1298719
00:52.22M4rtinKthere should be a conference call with Nokia & Nemein next week that might hopefully clear things up
00:52.50M4rtinKwell, shame the Fremantle OBS project didn't progress faster
00:53.04PreflexYeah.  Bummer.
00:53.14M4rtinKmight have saved us all the problems with autobuilder we have now
00:53.37M4rtinKand it really rocks when it works :)
00:53.50M4rtinK(OBS)
00:55.06M4rtinKanyway, good night everyone ! :)
00:55.19PreflexGood night.
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03:12.15Drathirmaybe someone know how to add support ac3 to openmediaplayer?
03:15.08Drathirmplayer works ok but omp say that cant open file ; cant find sound codec DVD AC-3 (ATSC A/52) decoder.
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04:35.37Jay_BEElooks around
04:36.47Jay_BEEblah... I dropped my N900 and now it's stuck in a reboot loop.  It displays the Nokia logo, then reboots.  *le sigh*
04:38.36Jay_BEEFor that to happen, tells me it's a physical issue and cannot be overcome by reflashing.  If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know.
04:39.18Ken-YoungJay_BEE, Thist did you try removing the battery for a mnute or two? is a long shot, bu
04:39.50Jay_BEENo, I have not.    Trying it now.   Thanks.  brb
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04:40.38Ken-YoungJay_BEE, DOn't get your hopes up.   It's a long shot, but can't hurt.
04:41.04Jay_BEEI'm not.  I'm already of the mind that she's a goner.
04:42.52Jay_BEEUnfortunately, I will lose some precious photos and a couple of phone numbers that were not backed up.
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04:46.50Jay_BEEFor what it's worth, I got it from eBay with a warranty, so at best I'll be able to get a replacement or refund.
04:47.15Jay_BEEI'd really rather have the unsaved pictures and phone numbers.
04:48.45Ken-YoungJay_BEE, I think there's a power-up option that will make it present the internal flash as a USB drive.   THat might still work even if it won't boot, and you could get your stuff off that way.
04:50.08Jay_BEEYou think.  I've never heard of such an option.  I would love to know the specifics, if it is possible!
05:03.16Ken-YoungJay_BEE, I googled around, and didn't find a way to do it.   I may have been mistaken about that being a possibility.    If you reflash just the kernel, maybe it would boot then, without wiping your OS.   I'm assuming you did not install boot menu.   If you have boot menu, there are many other possible recovery routes.
05:04.42Jay_BEENo, I have not installed boot menu.
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05:06.00Ken-YoungJay_BEE, If you check back here during the evening in Europe, you'll probably find a lot more knowledgable people.
05:06.27Jay_BEEhmm ok.... thx... I'll stick around
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05:25.05DrathirJay_BEE: try also get out sim and mmc card and then on the phone...
05:25.52Jay_BEEyeah... the sim is already out and I don't have media card installed
05:26.03DrathirKen-Young: its only 6:25 ^^
05:27.12Drathirmaybe also try combination with keyboard open and closed...?
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05:28.19Jay_BEEI've already tried that
05:28.23Jay_BEEto no avail. :(
05:30.56Drathirsad that not bm onboard... with them maybe will be possible do a backup...
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05:58.19kerioJay_BEE: can you enter the flashing mode?
05:58.34Jay_BEEabout to try that now
06:01.37kerioDrathir: have you installed decoders-support?
06:01.58kerioif that fails, try to find an appropriate gstreamer decoder for that codec
06:06.38kerioJay_BEE: if the flashing mode works you can try loading rescueOS, if everything else fails
06:06.51kerioso at least you can copy your data from the device
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06:10.53Jay_BEEit appears I have reached flashing mode.... should I expect to Windows to mount a drive or do I need to load this rescueOS thing?  What is rescueOS?
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06:27.43Jay_BEEkerio?
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08:01.23DocScrutinizer06yay, kerio beats me to it, was about to suggest rescueOS
08:01.53DocScrutinizer06~rescueos
08:01.53infobotsomebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/
08:02.30Jay_BEEi have it now thx
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08:09.27DocScrutinizer06Jay_BEE: reboot loop *might* be caused by filesystem corruption caused by sudden removal of battery
08:09.55DocScrutinizer06unlikely but possible
08:10.05Jay_BEEmeaning a reflash would fix?
08:10.09DocScrutinizer06yep
08:10.38Jay_BEEk... i'm booted into reloadOS but get errors when executing mass-storage-enable.sh
08:10.53DocScrutinizer06alas you need to flash /home as well, and that will nuke your MyDocs
08:11.10Jay_BEEwin xp cries "usb device not recognized"
08:11.44DocScrutinizer06hmm, might be corruption of MyDocs or ~user
08:12.06DocScrutinizer06or defect eMMC
08:13.48DocScrutinizer06iirc we talked some user thru a system-modification that completely replaced eMMC by uSD-card, so he was able to use a N900 even with defect eMMC
08:13.59DocScrutinizer06quite some time ago
08:15.39DocScrutinizer06but first try a full reflash: combined, vanilla, combined
08:16.28DocScrutinizer06after you're done with your efforts to rescue your photos etc
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08:18.24Lava_Croftmy solution to XP not recognizing the USB device is sadly no option for you i guess
08:18.45Lava_Croftsince i usually turn the device on and connect it to the computer and then it will recognize it when you connect it for flashing
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08:28.55DocScrutinizer06Jay_BEE: btw mass storage will not allow to safe your contacts/phone-numbers
08:29.07Jay_BEEd'oh
08:29.08DocScrutinizer06afaik
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08:29.49DocScrutinizer06you should backup your /home/user/* to uSD card
08:32.20DocScrutinizer06particularly /home/user/.osso-abook/
08:35.19DocScrutinizer06beware, you might run into doing a backup of /home/user/MyDocs when trying to copy /home/user/*
08:35.46DocScrutinizer06MyDocs however is your 28GB partition
08:35.53Macerpunches his android tf101 in the face
08:36.08tadzikthey evolved faces? Exciting times
08:36.11Lava_Croftnow your fist hurts
08:36.55DocScrutinizer06chuck N.
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08:37.19Lava_CroftYeah, leave it to internet to turn a horrible american actor into a hero
08:37.30Lava_Croftand i use the term actor rather loosely here:)
08:38.11Maceryes
08:38.14tadziksays the one who uses the big-breasted artificial archeologist as a nickname inspiration :P
08:38.17Macerit's a widget :-P
08:38.29DocScrutinizer06how many push-ups can Chuck do?  ALL of them!
08:38.35Lava_Crofttadzik: its actually not really related to lara croft, but more to quake and lava in its DM maps:)
08:38.37Macerhaha
08:38.44Maceryeah.. chuck norris is an awful actr
08:38.51Macerbut the white trash loves him
08:39.33Maceronly in walker texas ranger can you be evacuating a town from a giant bomb getting ready to explode and have people running outside with giant smiles on their faces
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08:39.55Lava_Croftonly in walker texas ranger, chuck norris would have a paid job as an actor
08:40.08Lava_Croftoh wait, i might have overlooked The Expendables
08:41.13DocScrutinizer06what happens when Chuck Norris punches his android tf101 in the face? Google breaks into two halves.
08:41.32Lava_CroftI wish something would happen to people making Chuck Norris jokes in 2012
08:41.34Lava_Croftsomething bad
08:42.36DocScrutinizer06I wish chuck norris would kick the nuts of people insulting other people on IRC just for fun
08:43.05Lava_Crofti dont think people like chuck norris are allowed to enter my country
08:43.11Lava_Croftor at least it should be
08:43.35Lava_Croftand wishing something bad to happen to someone isnt exaclty an insult
08:44.07DocScrutinizer06+q maybe is, though. I'm starting to get tired of your teachering
08:44.55Lava_Croftif you have trouble ignoring certain things on IRC, this might not be the place for you
08:44.58DocScrutinizer06if you think you're so fucking smarter and better than the rest of us here, why are you still here?
08:45.16Lava_Croftwhat makes you think i would think such a thing?
08:45.35DocScrutinizer06every post of you tells that fact clearly
08:45.54Lava_CroftI think this says more about how you percieve these things than how they really are in reality
08:46.02Lava_Croftand i cannot disagree with how you percieve things
08:46.47Macerkicks this tf101
08:46.53Maceri wish i could run maemo on this thing :-/
08:47.12Macercan't someone take the maemo stuff and make it boot on a tf101?
08:47.13Macerheh
08:47.14tadzikpax, pax
08:47.26tadzikdon't do those quake deatchmatches here
08:47.31DocScrutinizer06appoints Lava_Croft as officila troll#2 of #maemo
08:47.41Ken-YoungWho is #1?
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08:47.48tadzikThe Banned One? :>
08:47.50DocScrutinizer06clearly kerio
08:48.00DocScrutinizer06;-)
08:48.02Lava_CroftYou either swallow or you are a troll :)
08:48.14MacerDocScrutinizer06: hahaha... yes
08:48.18jaskatrollum de jure
08:48.25Macerthe shockwaves travel to google and their data centers explode
08:49.06Maceratt is so slow where i am
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08:51.34Ken-YoungMacer, Where is that?
08:51.48Macerwell.... a specific part of chicago
08:52.01Lava_CroftAren't cities always horrible for cell coverage
08:52.07tadziknope
08:52.09Maceri have to wait for a special version of gapps to download
08:52.14Lava_CroftWell, they are here in NL
08:52.14Ken-YoungBoston isn't.
08:52.16Macerso it could be the hackyourlife.org site
08:52.17Macerheh
08:52.21tadziknational forests are worse :)
08:52.24Macerno... usually it goes rather fast
08:52.28Lava_CroftAnywhere inbetween some bigger buildings and coverage is poof
08:52.36Lava_Croftgo inside and its even worse:<
08:52.44tadzikI don't experience that
08:53.03Maceri don't usually either
08:53.09Maceratt lte is actually pretty damn fast
08:53.11Lava_CroftYou probably dont live in the perpetually underperforming Netherlands
08:53.13tadzikmaybe because there's a cell tower outside the window
08:53.15Maceralbeit a ripoff for 5GB
08:53.34Lava_CroftThis country is tiny, but getting proper 3G coverage everywhere seems impossible
08:53.47Macerit's lte :)
08:53.54Macer3G is so N900 :-P
08:54.00Lava_Croftor N9 :)
08:54.17Macerthat too i supose... i thought N9s were "4G"
08:54.19tadzikheh, I still use 2.5 most of the time
08:54.24Macermarketing at its best
08:54.37Lava_CroftThe terms 4g, 3g, 3,5g mean different things in different countries
08:54.38Lava_Croftit seems
08:54.40tadzikI have it set for the sake of battery usage, and can't be bothered to change it to 3G when I occasionally need something on the web
08:54.53Macer4G = It might be able to
08:54.55Macerheh
08:55.07Macerno wait... It is 3G but might be able to be 4G later
08:55.40Macerthanks to apple for the number brainwashing
08:55.45Lava_CroftNot just apple:)
08:55.49Lava_Crofttelco's too
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09:01.39Ken-YoungDoes anyone have their N900 successfully syncing with google calendar?   I had that working until a couple of weeks ago (with syncEvolution) and then it stopped working.
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09:02.09vi____Ken-Young: Yes, sync evolution.
09:02.21vi____It can sync multiple calanders and tasks.
09:02.35vi____Does anyone know if autobuilder is still down?
09:03.49DocScrutinizer06tadzik: indeed automating the switching to 3G/dual when starting up microB would be a quite useful thing to implement
09:04.09vi____DocScrutinizer06: Autodisconnect!
09:04.43DocScrutinizer06I doubt the friggin autodisconnect has any concept to do this
09:05.20vi____No, but it does have a 'change from 2g->3g/dual' on connection to gprs internet.
09:05.29Ken-Youngvi____, sync evolution give me "unexpected slow sync (local, status 22000)" "error code from Synthesis engine local, status 20048" - any idea what might cause that?
09:05.47vi____Ken-Young: None whatsoever.
09:05.55vi____Have you looked up the error message.
09:05.57vi____?
09:06.18vi____Also did you use syncevolution front end or set it up from the command line?
09:06.18Ken-Youngvi____, I've looked, but not founf it.
09:06.46Ken-Youngvi____, I'm doing it from the command line.
09:06.52vi____Ken-Young: Have you tried a complete re-sync?
09:07.11Ken-Youngvi____, Yup.
09:07.29vi____Have you tried deleteing the whole lot and starting again?
09:08.09vi____~googlesyncevolution is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810
09:08.09infobotokay, vi____
09:08.11Ken-Youngvi____, THat I have not tried.
09:08.24vi____did you follow this:
09:08.32vi____~googlesyncevolution
09:08.32infobotextra, extra, read all about it, googlesyncevolution is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810
09:09.11Ken-Youngvi____, THanks for the pointer, I'll start going through that.
09:09.14vi____Is the wiki editable again yet?
09:09.42vi____Ken-Young: From that post I was able to set up multiple calendar syncs with task sync.
09:10.18Ken-Youngvi____, I had fcron doing everything nicely, then it broke.   It had worked for a long while.
09:11.16vi____I think the truth lies in figuring out what the error message means.
09:12.53vi____freemangordon_: ping
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09:27.37Ken-Youngvi____, It looks like the slow sync might be working.   Thanks again for your help.
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10:08.40Ken-Youngvi____, My google calendar syncing works flawlessly now.   You are my hero.
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10:23.39vi____Ken-Young: If you figured out something new, please post about it on TMO so others may benefit from your experience.
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10:48.06freemangordon_vi____: pong
10:48.23vi____2 questions.
10:48.56vi____1. To facilitate 720p recording, you created a script that stopped tracker, correct?
10:49.03vi____also, goodmorning!
10:49.09freemangordon_hi
10:49.27freemangordon_vi____: stopping tracker is not because 720p
10:49.58freemangordon_but because of the stutter in videos if tracker is running while a video is recorded
10:50.23vi____freemangordon_: Why did you not just ionice the shit out of tracker?
10:50.49freemangordon_it affects all of the resolutions. it is the fix/workaround for a long-standing "recorded videos stutter" bug
10:50.56freemangordon_do we have ionice?
10:51.17freemangordon_as tracker is already niced to 10-15
10:51.24vi____In busybox power.
10:51.26vi____mmm
10:51.27vi____ok
10:51.45vi____ionice is for nice'ing IO as oppose to cpu.
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10:52.00freemangordon_yeah, but there is no such thing in stock bb
10:52.06freemangordon_afaik
10:52.31MrPinguHi freemangordon_
10:52.38freemangordon_vi____: you know what?
10:52.43freemangordon_MrPingu: hi
10:52.52merlin1991yep stock busybox has no ionice
10:53.06freemangordon_vi____: I feel very very stupid :(
10:53.09vi____freemangordon_: If you can compile a program to be statically linked, that means it does not need external libs.  Does that mean you could run a hardfp binary if it is statically linked?
10:53.20freemangordon_vi____: yep
10:53.25vi____freemangordon_: aah, chin up mate.
10:53.57freemangordon_vi____: instead if stopping the tracker, I can just do kill SIGSTOP/SIGCONT
10:54.39freemangordon_and get rid of those 2-3 seconds deay compared to stock camera ;)
10:54.43freemangordon_*delay
10:54.59MrPingufreemangordon_: We don't have -dev packages thumb compiled right?
10:55.08freemangordon_MrPingu: of course we have
10:56.16freemangordon_merlin1991: how do you think, will STOP/CONT do the job?
10:56.18MrPinguInstalled gdb, hildon-home-dbg what else do I need?
10:56.26freemangordon_MrOpposite: glibc-dbg
10:56.30freemangordon_oope
10:56.37freemangordon_MrPingu: ^^^
10:57.00freemangordon_MrPingu: it is in SDK repo
10:57.19MrPinguI enabled that one
10:57.36merlin1991freemangordon_: I'd try it
10:57.43freemangordon_merlin1991: me too
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10:58.09merlin1991what does the camera-ui do currently when you tab out?
10:58.13merlin1991keep recording?
10:58.13vi____Well if you have anytime is there a chance of a thumb2, neon enabled, hardfp, statically linked mplayer? :D
10:59.45merlin1991hm I need to reflash 2 of my n900s
11:00.10merlin1991gotta swap my -stable and my -testing device (the -testing has a semi broken modem)
11:00.12MrPingufreemangordon_: are you sure its glibc-dbg?
11:00.36DocScrutinizer06SIGSTOPing a process that has dbus connection will for sure do no good
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11:01.20DocScrutinizer06SIGSTOPing processes that are monitored by dsme is a sure way to get reboots
11:01.37merlin1991DocScrutinizer06: apart from tracker not responding to dbus calls, what else could happen?
11:01.55freemangordon_DocScrutinizer06: hm, I am almost sure dsme will not care as long as there is no SIGCHILD
11:02.10freemangordon_also have in mind bsowserd is SIGSTOPed
11:02.19freemangordon_*browserd
11:02.26DocScrutinizer06dbus will possibly block, or kick the dbus client from list of active clients (== lose association)
11:03.11freemangordon_but who will talk to trackerd while a video is recorded?
11:03.57DocScrutinizer06killall -sigstop /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51
11:04.26freemangordon_DocScrutinizer06: we are talking about tracker here
11:04.33DocScrutinizer05so what?
11:04.52freemangordon_hmm, why the hell pidof does not work for trackerd?
11:05.09DocScrutinizer05you explain to me what's the differences that matter here, between bme and trackerd, and I accept it might not apply
11:06.07MrPingufreemangordon_: u sure it's glibc-dbg and not libc6-dbg?
11:06.11DocScrutinizer05until then, my claims about dsme causing reboot when monitored process gets SIGSTOPed stand
11:06.18freemangordon_trackerd does not run always
11:06.35freemangordon_MrPingu: could be, not exactly sure about the package name
11:06.37DocScrutinizer05also my claims about dbus not reacting nice to client getting stopped stand
11:08.05MrPingufreemangordon_: seems not as you said it's in SDK and libc6-dbg is pulled from cssu-testing
11:09.16freemangordon_MrPingu: no way libc6-dbg to be in CSSU afaik
11:09.33vi____DocScrutinizer05: tracker is not run by dsme.
11:10.08MrPinguGet:1 http://maemo.merlin1991.at fremantle/free libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu0 [3547kB]
11:10.41freemangordon_the fuck, what is that?
11:10.43freemangordon_Version: 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu0
11:10.48freemangordon_merlin1991: ^^^
11:11.17freemangordon_vi____: :nod:
11:11.20MrPingufreemangordon_: I might have cssu-devel enabled?
11:11.24merlin1991freemangordon_:  well what did you upload?
11:11.38freemangordon_merlin1991: where?
11:11.45freemangordon_in -devel?
11:11.58merlin1991either -devel or -thumb nothing else lives on maemo.merlin1991.at
11:12.06merlin1991(except tiny extras)
11:12.38freemangordon_yeah, it is in -devel
11:12.50freemangordon_MrPingu: what version you have installed?
11:12.58freemangordon_of lbc that is
11:13.01freemangordon_*libc
11:13.15MrPinguThat one, I posted above
11:13.45freemangordon_ok, install -dbg symbols too (if not already did) and you're good to go
11:13.55freemangordon_MrPingu:
11:14.00merlin1991freemangordon_: I guess that's your ppoll enabled glibc?
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11:14.08freemangordon_merlin1991: yeah
11:14.39freemangordon_Seems I have forgotten I ut it in -devel
11:14.54MrPinguConfirmed, I had cssu-devel enabled.
11:15.56MrPinguSure, I am good to go? I mean libc6 is quite essential :P
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11:16.09freemangordon_MrPingu: no prblrm with that. however, as long as h-h "hang", you should run gdb (preferably from ssh session), find the pids of hildon-home and attach gdb to the second one
11:16.21freemangordon_s/as long/as soon
11:16.35freemangordon_MrPingu: to attach to process:
11:16.35DocScrutinizer05timeout for dbus is ~120s iirc
11:16.46freemangordon_gdb
11:16.58freemangordon_>attach $PID
11:17.24DocScrutinizer05better terminate processes than stop them for extended periods of time
11:18.08vi____freemangordon_: Another thing to stop is hildon-notification-daemon thing.
11:18.31vi____It is set in syspart as having maximum priority.
11:18.41MrPinguSo I need to attach it, after it "hangs"?
11:18.50vi____It always fucks up everything when a new notification bubble appears.
11:19.33DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: attaching gdb after a process gets stuck is relatively useless
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11:19.55MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: That's what I thought
11:20.16DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: better run the process into stuck condition under gdb control
11:21.01MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: we don't know what it causes to "stuck" :(
11:21.30MrPinguHence no easy way to reproduce it
11:21.35DocScrutinizer05attaching to stuck process is kinda like doing a post mortem analysis, won't give much more info than what you could get from a coredump
11:22.00freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: define "stuck process"
11:22.17MrPinguSo I need to run gdb 24/7 till it occurs?
11:22.24freemangordon_MrPingu: no
11:22.33DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: see `man ps`
11:22.41freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: bullshit
11:22.51freemangordon_it is either in system call
11:22.53DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: moron
11:23.07freemangordon_or couting like Chuck
11:23.11freemangordon_*counting
11:23.23freemangordon_it is deffinitey not zombie
11:23.32DocScrutinizer05you said zombie
11:23.43DocScrutinizer05so apply buöllshit to your statement
11:24.12freemangordon_yep, you said stuck, attaching debugger to a process which is not zombie will give you the backtrace
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11:24.48freemangordon_along with info threads and all good things like that
11:24.49DocScrutinizer05just like attaching to a coredump will
11:25.05freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: no, it is not the same
11:25.15freemangordon_and AFAIK h-h does not crash
11:25.18freemangordon_so no coredump
11:25.24DocScrutinizer05pfff
11:25.51MrPinguIt doesn't crash, it doesn't react to touches EXCEPT swipes
11:26.09freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: ever tried to analize coredump from n900?
11:26.14DocScrutinizer05who said it does - I didn't even know which process you're debugging, since nobody mentioned it last 10 posts
11:26.15freemangordon_*analyze
11:26.43MrPinguWidgets are frozen and you get the hildon-home is not responding window
11:26.52DocScrutinizer05honestly I'm not in the mood for insult a la freemangordon_ right now
11:27.21DocScrutinizer05find someone else to argue with
11:27.46freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: read the backscroll then, along with http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86804
11:28.15freemangordon_to understand the background
11:28.56freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: BTW if you have a better idea than attaching gdb, please share it
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11:31.02freemangordon_MrPingu: BTW do you have some screenlock replacement installed?
11:31.14MrPingufreemangordon_: no
11:31.19freemangordon_ok
11:31.48MrPinguRather clean device, as I reflashed 2 weeks ago
11:31.49int_uais extras builder looped on python?
11:32.00freemangordon_MrPingu: BTW did you try to remove all of the widgets?
11:33.10MrPingufreemangordon_: no, but peterleinchen had the same issues and the only mutual widgets we had were calendar + media player
11:33.52freemangordon_yeah, saw that
11:33.54MrPingufreemangordon_: Also, reboot fixed it and all my widgets restored
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11:34.16freemangordon_MrPingu: ofc reboot will fix it :)
11:35.05MrPingufreemangordon_: I understand, but sometimes h-h also crashes widgets don't restore
11:35.32MrPinguthough that hasn't happened for a long time
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11:35.44freemangordon_MrPingu: did you check what is the CPU usage when h-h is 'hang'
11:36.01MrPinguYes
11:36.09MrPingunormal
11:36.15freemangordon_not good
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11:37.07MrPinguactually first thing I checked as I knew there were reports of h-h going for 100%
11:37.39freemangordon_well, I still insist it is some third-party widget/software causing that prblem
11:38.19MrPinguThe 100% bug or what peterleinchen and I experienced?
11:39.07freemangordon_both
11:39.29freemangordon_MrPingu: btw could you pastebin the contents of /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders
11:39.39freemangordon_ls -al that is
11:39.49int_uaHey, people! https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-September/date.html
11:40.04int_uaextras builder is stuck with python
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11:40.50int_uafrom September
11:40.53freemangordon_MrPingu: along with /usr/share/applications/hildon-home
11:40.59int_uas/from/since/
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11:44.06MrPingufreemangordon_: http://pastebin.com/afh7qFGn
11:44.10MrPinguthats one
11:44.54MrPinguhttp://pastebin.com/HnZdjiex
11:46.13MrPinguhttp://pastebin.com/xi582r0n
11:46.23MrPingufreemangordon_: ^^^
11:49.45freemangordon_MrPingu: what is touchsearch.desktop?
11:50.17MrPinguA widget I don't use
11:50.31MrPinguIt provides a google-searchbar widget
11:51.05RaimuAlso customizable searches in general
11:51.44MrPingufreemangordon_: purged it and it removes the python loader
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11:52.31vi____freemangordon_: what does libstartup do?
11:53.16freemangordon_vi____: NFC
11:53.58freemangordon_MrPingu: any idea why qt plugin loader is installed?
11:54.25MrPinguSticky Notes widgets I guess
11:55.05freemangordon_do you use that?
11:55.56MrPinguYes
11:58.54MrPinguYou suspect that might be the problem?
11:59.28MrPinguIt's the only widget that uses the qt-plugin loader
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12:01.58MrPinguPeterleinchen did not have that widget so that doesn't explain his freeze
12:03.45freemangordon_MrPingu: yes, but i is possible he has another qt widget
12:03.53MrPinguIt would be nice if he can pastebin the same output, then
12:03.57freemangordon_do you have a link to his list?
12:04.03freemangordon_i cannot find it
12:04.14MrPinguOn the TMO thread, i thought
12:08.16MrPinguMy bad, it isn't there
12:08.24MrPinguIDK, then...
12:11.28vi____MrPingu: Can  you pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf
12:11.34vi____for me.
12:13.11DocScrutinizer05127.0.0.1
12:13.32MrPingunameserver 127.0.0.1
12:13.39DocScrutinizer05;-P
12:13.47MrPingu;)
12:25.50MrPinguAnyway G2G, bye!
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12:46.38Hurrian_vi___, did you see that dude with the 3 N950s?
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12:49.30jon_y<PROTECTED>
12:49.50Hurrian_jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87621&page=3
12:50.32jon_yI agree with vi____ :)
12:50.34Hurrian_man, no silver N950s popping up yet?
12:50.54jon_ynow to get radvd working on the phone :)
12:51.33jon_yhow good is ipv6 support on the phone anyway?
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13:05.41DocScrutinizer05wonders where his N950 package vanished
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13:15.34vi____3 n950!
13:15.41vi____fool!
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13:29.10freemangordon_vi____: yeah
13:29.33freemangordon_I wonder how old is that guy
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13:44.28vi____freemangordon_: well he must be employed in some capacity.
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13:51.37DrathirDocScrutinizer51: could you take me any tips with if good remember  talks about wifi optimisation?
13:51.54Drathirkerio: yes installed...
13:53.09Drathirkerio: ok i will look gstreamer for ac3
13:56.27freemangordon_vi____: both me and google translate cannot parse :)
13:57.15vi____He must have a job to be able to afford so many n950.
13:57.21vi____He has more than you!
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14:18.21Lava_Croft3 N950's, but wheres the applications he is supposed to write? :)
14:19.18jon_y"I am Rich" app :)
14:19.45Lava_Croft'I was rich"
14:19.49Lava_Crofter "
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14:29.35vi____n950 is only any use for developing for...n950s
14:29.58vi____Despite what whiners whine, it is not a development device.
14:30.16Luke-Jrexactly why I'd like one
14:30.18Luke-Jr<.<
14:30.35vi____Luke-Jr: You dont, they suck balls.
14:30.35Luke-Jractually, no, put Gentoo on that thing and develop for any platform :P
14:30.37jon_yreally? why so?
14:30.42Luke-Jrvi____: not as bad as N9
14:30.48vi____worse than n9.
14:30.52Luke-Jrnope
14:30.55Luke-JrN9 lacks a keyboard
14:30.57Luke-Jrthat's a killer
14:31.06vi____n950 lacks ANY AVAILABLITY OF SPARE PARTS.
14:31.07jon_yalso, SD card
14:31.18vi____Also, LCD rot.
14:31.20Luke-Jrvi____: that's only a problem when you damage it
14:31.27vi____Luke-Jr: yeah...
14:31.28M4rtinKalso no gamegripper for the N950
14:31.47Luke-JrI'll take irrepairable over no-keyboard any day
14:32.00jon_yso, collector's items in the next 15 years? :)
14:32.05vi____consider how many spare parts your n900 goes through.
14:32.10Luke-Jrvi____: zero
14:32.15vi____jon_y: not really.
14:32.17tadziklucky you
14:32.29Lava_CroftN950 has problem with its screen too
14:32.29Luke-Jrand I've dropped it from shirt pocket to pavement multiple times
14:32.50vi____Luke-Jr: You clearly do not use your n900 as a daily device.
14:32.55Luke-Jrvi____: I sure do!
14:33.05Lava_CroftI havent had parts fall of my N900 either
14:33.07vi____And you r keyboard is still in good condition?
14:33.08tadzikno, I know people for whom it never breaks. Lucky bastards
14:33.13Luke-Jrvi____: indeed
14:33.17jon_ywell, the n950 was the last phones Nokia released before it went belly up
14:33.24Luke-JrI'm assuming replacing the battery doesn't count as spare parts
14:33.25jon_ydefinitely has collector value :)
14:33.29vi____nokia did not release the n950.
14:33.45jon_yreleased/teased
14:34.00Lava_Croftlast real Nokia was the N9, the N950 is not a consumer device, it wasnt ever released nor did nokia ever sell it
14:34.05vi____old tech does not become valuable.
14:34.10Lava_Croftvi____: wrong
14:34.24M4rtinKif the rumours are true, about 12,5k N950 were produced
14:34.38Lava_CroftDepending on availability, old hardware can become quite valuable
14:34.43Luke-JrM4rtinK: where'd they all go? :o
14:35.28M4rtinKLuke-Jr: no idea - just citing that recent finish article
14:35.47vi____well, it was a shite device anyway.
14:35.53Lava_Croftarticles regarding the amount of harmattan devices produced have rarely been close to the truth
14:36.03M4rtinKLava_Croft: maybe to some landfill next to a huge pile of old NES cartridges ? :)
14:36.12Lava_Croftold NES carts are valuable!
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15:49.56ivgalvezhi everyone
15:50.20ivgalvezgood news from Nokia
15:50.57ivgalvezthey are going to fund us for buying the servers we will need to do the migration
15:53.35GeneralAntillesHooray
15:53.38GeneralAntillesThat's nice of them.
15:55.22ivgalvezand they are willing to transfer us almost everything
15:55.37GeneralAntillesivgalvez, happen to have anything written up on this?
15:55.43GeneralAntillesBlog, Talk thread, mailing list, whatever?
15:56.09ivgalvezyes, we need to prepare all the communications needed, also with other Board members and Council
15:56.15vi____ivgalvez: Good news everybody!
15:56.23thedead1440ivgalvez so maemo.org domain and resources is secured?
15:56.27ivgalvezbut I was so happy that I couldn't avoid to tell it here
15:56.33GeneralAntillesivgalvez, either ping me or Jaffa when you get a summary up so we can shunt it to @mwkn
15:56.33ivgalvezyes
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15:56.40ivgalvezsure
15:56.43thedead1440its brilliant thanks for it!
15:57.16ivgalveznow I need a volunteer
15:57.48ivgalvezto prepare a list of files not already hosted at maemo.org that are needed to keep the devices working
15:58.07ivgalvezi.e. all packages at Nokia repositories
15:58.16ivgalvezall files included in SDKs
15:59.44ivgalvezall these files will be hosted at Nokia for a while, this way we will be sure that they won't dissapear without notice
16:00.07ivgalvezand Nokia will try to transfer the rights fro redistribution to the Foundation
16:00.36ivgalvezas there will be thir parties involved, that will take more time than the migration itself
16:00.39thedead1440wouldn't one person doing it increase chances of something being missed? Why not collate them on a thread @ TMO? My 2cents...
16:00.46qwazixwow! perfect.
16:00.54qwazixI agree with thedead1440
16:01.30fluxa thread 'doing it' makes its nobody's reponsibility :)
16:01.58qwazixbe back in 20'
16:02.02qwazixbye for now
16:02.05ivgalvezyes, that would be better
16:02.14thedead1440flux one person can still be in charge of ensuring all that is mentioned in the thread is collated?
16:02.49ivgalvezwould you mind to open that thread and coordinate the efforts?
16:02.59thedead1440me? sure no probs
16:03.01ivgalvezI have to write a dozen of emails now
16:03.04ivgalvezthanks a lot
16:03.58fluxthedead1440, sure
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16:11.54thedead1440http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88031
16:11.55thedead1440is it ok?
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16:15.17ivgalvezgreat
16:15.38ivgalvezplease specify that we nned all the files for both Maemo and Harmattan
16:15.43ivgalvezand all incarnations of Maemo
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16:16.05ivgalvezthank you very much
16:17.18vi____ivgalvez: Ask them for ALL the fremantle source code as well :)
16:17.31ivgalvezhaha
16:17.59vi____oly shit, that guy on TMO has 4 n950.
16:18.04keriogive us the codes pls
16:18.10keriovi____: seen that thread, awesome :D
16:18.13MrPingufreemangordon_: I removed all python + qtwidgets loaders
16:19.32MrPingumy /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loader/ doesn't even exist anymore, now let's see if it will happen again
16:21.34vi____seriously
16:21.41vi____fremantle source code, I need it.
16:23.31ivgalvezask freemangordon, he can RE it for you :-D
16:23.42keriovi____: should i remove nokia maps?
16:24.18vi____kerio: Do you ever use it?
16:24.34vi____Bear in mind it is the most up to date map program on the n900.
16:24.40vi____Although it is utter shit.
16:24.44vi____I do not know.
16:24.47vi____I am conflicted also.
16:25.37MrPinguspeaking of maps applications; what application does work for fast location look ups and support reasonable (sizewise) offline maps
16:25.53vi____what do you mean reasonable size?
16:26.33MrPinguNokia maps and sygic, take only  100mb per country
16:27.03vi____I still do not understand your Q
16:27.41keriovi____: modrana is also up to date
16:27.52kerioMrPingu: modrana!
16:27.56vi____modrana...is written in python.
16:28.36keriomodrana!1!1
16:28.43MrPinguall those tiles software give much bigger size, for offline use
16:28.44keriovi____: wtf is libnavigation0 for?
16:28.53vi____LOL I DUNNO
16:29.03kerioMrPingu: not with reasonable tiles - and modrana has a way of storing all the tiles in a single file
16:29.37vi____kerio: perhaps it is the backend for nokia maps and that worthless location widget.
16:29.57keriobut trying to remove it also removes 66 packages
16:30.06vi____what packages?
16:30.10vi____sensible stuff
16:30.13keriotry it
16:30.15vi____or everything?
16:30.17kerioapt-get remove libnavigation0
16:30.41kerionokiamessaging, osso-addressbook, rtcom-messaging-ui...
16:30.49vi____whoa
16:30.52vi____everything.
16:31.24vi____It looks like it is part of the mp-fremantle dependency cloisterfaulke.
16:31.44keriovi____: nah
16:31.56keriothe community mp doesn't care
16:33.28keriovi____: wtf is nokiamessaging?
16:34.14vi____it is a discontinued service.
16:34.24kerioit's apaprently intellisyncd
16:34.25MrPingukerio: part of the some nokia service
16:34.30kerio*apparently
16:34.43vi____Unless you have been grandfathered an account, do not worry about it.
16:35.14MrPingupushserver-service to be precise
16:35.28kerioso i *should* do apt-get remove ^as-.*
16:36.13MrPingukerio, from what I know it could be break modest auto-update
16:36.28keriocool, i don't use modest anyway
16:36.29vi____MrPingu: I believe it is a modest plugin.
16:36.37vi____So imap will still work.
16:36.46vi____kerio: wtf do you use for email then?
16:36.57kerioidk, the gmail web interface
16:37.08MrPinguvi____: great, another thing for my list :)
16:37.31vi____MrPingu: Your list should come with some warnings.
16:38.02vi____For example if you remove osso-rss-reader, it will uninstall nicely.
16:38.14vi____If you reinstall it it will reinstall UNoptified.
16:38.23keriovi____: until you reboot
16:38.27vi____<PROTECTED>
16:38.44vi____kerio: optification only occours on first boot.
16:38.50MrPingukerio, is right
16:39.01MrPinguit occurs every boot
16:39.05vi____...
16:39.08keriovi____: maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh
16:39.14kerionot maemo-optify-firstboot.sh
16:39.32vi____mmm
16:39.39vi____I need to read those scripts again.
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16:40.38MrPinguhmmm wait
16:40.47vi____MrPingu: add 'sharing-service-ovi'
16:40.53vi____ovi is now defunct
16:42.14MrPinguI added maps to that script some time, still not optified
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16:42.58vi____What?
16:43.12vi____maps is still a valid program, not totally obsolete crap.
16:43.44MrPinguvi___: I was talking about auto -optification
16:43.54vi____aaah
16:44.18vi____wait.
16:44.34vi____maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh IS run only on the first boot.
16:44.41vi____Look in /etc for:
16:44.49vi____<PROTECTED>
16:45.08vi____You will see a list of paths to be optified.
16:45.30MrPinguI added locale archive + nokia-maps to that file
16:45.40MrPingubut they have never been optified
16:45.53MrPinguso it is NOT run on every boot :(
16:45.55vi____Becasue the script only gets run on firstboot.
16:46.26vi____You could 'touch' the firstboot flag in var.
16:46.39vi____That would cause it to be run again.
16:46.57vi____But christ knows what else will happen if you do that.
16:47.43kerio/opt is cleaned and stuff is optified
16:47.48kerioand yes, it doesn't run properly for me either
16:48.01keriomaybe it checks for free space and leaves things in rootfs? idk
16:48.10kerioanyway, if you use that script you suck
16:48.16kerioyou can't uninstall single files properly
16:50.46MrPinguIn that case just symlink manually :P
16:50.59kerio*dpkg-divert manually
16:51.26MrPinguI'm too lazy
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17:05.37MrPinguvi____: I was talking about dpkgdivert
17:06.15MrPinguWho dares to remove location-home-applet?
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17:06.50MrPinguIt's the location widget
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17:13.27MrPingukerio: thanks, added to my script/list
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18:50.55Drathirlike servers not only new one... ^^ gz news...
18:55.33DocScrutinizer05Nokia buys our server hw? well, I always thought colocation is way more expensive than rental of the hw in package with hosting
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19:00.18DocScrutinizer05Nokia rather should buy 1 year of root-server-hosting, e.g. at hetzner.de
19:00.51DocScrutinizer05or preferably wherever the servers now are hosted
19:03.01DocScrutinizer05I don't think H-F board should be interested in *own* server hardware located at $random-location, and pay a _lot_ for colocation and even more for (hw-)service
19:04.49DocScrutinizer05Nokia rather should donate the servers recently hosting the maemo infra, incl hosting fee for first year or whatever period they feel tthey can afford
19:06.01DocScrutinizer05aiui the (hw-)servers are neither Nokia's property, nor are they even located at Nokia.
19:07.29DocScrutinizer05so all Nokia had to do is: pay next year of hosting fees, remove definitely nokia-internal stuff from the servers, transfer hosting contract and root access to board
19:08.09DocScrutinizer05change admin-c of maemo.org domain
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19:13.06PaliDocScrutinizer05, can you give me cssu irc cloak?
19:13.29DocScrutinizer05there's no cssu cloak
19:13.45DocScrutinizer05and I'm not the maemo GC, that's x-fade
19:14.19DocScrutinizer05I can ask x-fade to give you /maemo/community/contributor
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19:16.09PaliDocScrutinizer05, ok
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19:21.20kerioooh, can i get that too?
19:21.36kerioi want @maemo/community/troll if it's possible
19:22.03jaskahaha
19:22.44Drathirlol
19:23.02DocScrutinizer05kerio: no troll cloaks defined either
19:23.08kerio:(
19:23.20keriothen i'll take maemo/community/contributor, if i qualify
19:23.32DocScrutinizer05I think you do
19:23.42kerio:D :D :D
19:24.12DocScrutinizer05anyway please send me a mail, both Pali and kerio, so I don't forget it
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19:24.56DocScrutinizer05council at maemo.org, for Joerg
19:25.11DocScrutinizer05subject IRC cloak
19:25.52DocScrutinizer05and mention you main IRC account nick
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19:27.28DocScrutinizer05your*
19:27.59DrathirO.o lynx cant acces https strange...
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19:29.24PaliDrathir, use *e*links
19:29.33Palielinks has support for https
19:29.46Paliold links and lynx not
19:32.04DrathirPali: ok , but interesting is why on pc-arch lynx can acces different compile?
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19:37.11DocScrutinizer05Drathir: please do me a favour and at least _try_ to improve your english a tiny bit. sth like >>but interesting is why on pc-arch lynx can acces. Different compile?<< (added '.' and Uppercase) would already do wonders regarding legibility
19:39.53DrathirDocScrutinizer05: im sorry
19:40.05DocScrutinizer05no need to be sorry :-)
19:41.34DocScrutinizer05it's just that often your posts are hard to parse, which will reduce probability to get any response
19:42.44DocScrutinizer05which is a pity since your contributions are appreciated
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19:47.06DocScrutinizer05(lynx) sometimes old obsoleted programs are replaced by a symlink to the new binary. Maybe that's what happens on arch lynx?
19:49.22kerioDocScrutinizer05: mail'd
19:49.31PaliI suggest to use elinks instead of other lin[ks|x]*
19:53.12tadzikThe problem is with the Qt rotation manager and a workaround is already available at the hildon-desktop's master branch
19:53.15tadziksays arcean on tmo
19:53.17tadzikwfm :)
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19:54.04kerioby the way, can we get qt text input to behave properly somehow?
19:54.27keriohold-to-sym, not the correct kbd layout...
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20:08.34Drathirthanks, i try to find elinks arm packages...
20:10.19tadzikshit, Go doesn't build in scratchbox :/
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20:41.37DocScrutinizer05kerio: wut? qt doesn't use standard input method?
20:41.59kerionope
20:42.06DocScrutinizer05WTF?!
20:43.13DocScrutinizer05or maybe hold-to-sym isn't implemented in a "standard" way?
20:43.29keriothere's a "standard" way to disable it
20:43.33keriowhich QT doesn't follow
20:43.38kerioand it also doesn't follow my xkb layout
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20:44.34DocScrutinizer05hmm, then it's qt fault (regardless of the non working "standard" way to disable, which doesn't mean a thing)
20:47.20MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: You didn't know? It's a quite common issue why qt apps suck :(
20:47.33tadzikmumbles something about slow rotation
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21:04.46infobotit has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
21:06.07DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: actually I forgot
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21:09.07vi_DocScrutinizer05, ping
21:09.30vi_where are these legendary xchat configs?
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21:14.02kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you know of someone who could be knowledgeable enough to "fix" our qt libraries?
21:17.27DocScrutinizer05vi____: ~jrtools/../xchat
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21:19.57DocScrutinizer05kerio: hmm, not offhand
21:22.26DocScrutinizer05kerio: I guess the problem is in qt concept to stay platform independent
21:22.57DocScrutinizer05kerio: I.E. qt is supposed to work on e.g. windows where's no X11 at all
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21:23.39DocScrutinizer05while we would prefer 'our' qt to not only use X11 input support bot possibly even gtk/hildon input support
21:23.56DocScrutinizer05but*
21:25.19DocScrutinizer05the 'fix' might easily involve some major architecture redesign
21:27.09kerioor hopefully just some minor reconfigurations!
21:27.34DocScrutinizer05though I guess we could keep API compatibility when replacing the qt-internal stuff around decoding and handling raw key input by similar stuff from X11 and/or Hildon/GTK
21:30.19DocScrutinizer05kerio: actually your "hold-for-symbol" vs calssical key-repeat is a good example to check where this got implemented in Qt
21:30.32DocScrutinizer05classical*
21:31.00DocScrutinizer05as is e.g. caps-lock, fn-lock etc
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21:33.55vi_DocScrutinizer05: I say! you have converted me to xchat!
21:34.04vi_no more irssi for me!
21:34.15vi_I was irc'ing like a dog!
21:34.22vi_notify
21:34.27MrPinguvi_: he's converting everyone to xchat :p
21:34.34vi_mmm.
21:34.42vi_notify is not working
21:34.53MrPinguOh notify is a bit strange
21:35.22MrPinguYou need to  give that script executable permissions
21:35.59vi_MrPingu: already done that.
21:36.28vi_MrPingu: talk at me please.
21:36.58MrPinguvi_: you need to set alerts to beep
21:37.10MrPinguvi_: I love talking to you!
21:37.31MrPinguvi_: it only vibrates
21:37.58vi_try again!
21:38.35vi_MrPingu: MOAR PINGU
21:38.53vi_pls
21:38.55MrPinguVi_: How are you doing
21:39.01vi_lame..
21:39.05vi_brb
21:42.17DocScrutinizer05vi____: what's the problem?
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21:48.27vi_MrPingu: yo
21:49.30DocScrutinizer05vi_: what you're doing?
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21:51.47vi_DocScrutinizer05: trying to get your notify script to work for xchat
21:52.34DocScrutinizer05does it work when invoked from shell?
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21:54.08DocScrutinizer05vi_: and are lines in xchat highlighted red when your nick is mentioned (like this line)
21:54.09DocScrutinizer05?
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21:59.27vi_DocScrutinizer05: yes
21:59.36vi_my name is highlighted.
22:00.32DocScrutinizer05and does the notify.sh work when called from xterm?
22:00.40vi_yes
22:00.42DocScrutinizer05vi_: ^^^
22:01.04DocScrutinizer05then check xchat settings,
22:01.16DocScrutinizer05preferences
22:01.44DocScrutinizer05alerts
22:01.54DocScrutinizer05scroll down
22:02.17DocScrutinizer05umm sorry, not there
22:03.13DocScrutinizer05tab "sounds" (click on any other tab, then use cursor-right to scroll to "Sound" tab
22:04.44DocScrutinizer05"sound playing method" External program
22:04.56vi_yes
22:05.12vi_it says the path to the notify script.
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22:05.28DocScrutinizer05that should work
22:05.44vi_it should.
22:05.45vi_heh
22:05.53vi_i will fix it tomorrow.
22:05.56vi_bb!
22:06.02DocScrutinizer05vi_: o/
22:06.47Drathirvi____: sad... irssi is the best of all...
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22:27.14vi_DocScrutinizer05: say hello
22:27.29vi_lol
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22:33.35DocScrutinizer05vi_: hello
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22:39.39Cor-Aisorry
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23:50.21RzRhttp://identi.ca/notice/98122043#HarmattanDev is Back
23:53.41RzRteotwaki, hi check http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/
23:56.40teotwakicool
23:56.51teotwakiI'm not going to start the sync tonight
23:57.02teotwakiconsidering it's been online for just a few hours
23:57.08teotwakiwill setup the sync tomorrow or something

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