| 00:00.22 | RiD | In the end, I still think maemo is the best os for the n900. I should try Ubuntu once I get to fix my phone's microUSB which needs special treatment |
| 00:00.48 | RiD | as a normal fix won't do it, one of the five pins is screwed up. Anyways, talking about that |
| 00:01.01 | Skry | Well, if you want a phone style os, then your other os choice would be nemo |
| 00:01.04 | RiD | You better check if your microUSB is alright. Be very careful with it, and if possible, open it and reinforce it |
| 00:02.39 | Skry | and for more general linux experience, pick your poison. There is arch, debian, ubuntu and few others all in varying states regarding functionality and user experience |
| 00:03.04 | NeutrinoPower | ok, I need to install the flasher on archlinux |
| 00:05.03 | NeutrinoPower | the nokia site is strange because when i agree the terms with the buttom nothing happens on the site |
| 00:06.41 | Skry | nokia is pulling the plug so to speak, I would not be surprised if the page is not working |
| 00:09.02 | NeutrinoPower | I installed flasher-harmattan now |
| 00:09.11 | RiD | wait |
| 00:09.15 | RiD | harmattan? |
| 00:09.34 | RiD | do you own a N900 or N9? |
| 00:09.52 | NeutrinoPower | [neutrino@neutrino ~]$ flasher -V |
| 00:09.52 | NeutrinoPower | flasher 3.12.1 (Oct 5 2011) Harmattan |
| 00:10.14 | NeutrinoPower | hm ok, this is only for N9... |
| 00:10.19 | NeutrinoPower | I have N900 |
| 00:12.49 | RiD | haha |
| 00:12.57 | RiD | fremantle! |
| 00:13.19 | NeutrinoPower | flasher 3.5_2.5.2.2-2 is right?! |
| 00:13.23 | RiD | flasher3.5 on the wiki |
| 00:13.38 | RiD | yeah should be |
| 00:14.04 | RiD | oh by the way, for how much did you get your N900? also, brand new or 2nd handed |
| 00:14.41 | NeutrinoPower | secondhand for 90€ |
| 00:15.03 | RiD | how good is it? Scratches, etc |
| 00:15.21 | NeutrinoPower | good |
| 00:15.30 | RiD | lol, ok |
| 00:17.05 | NeutrinoPower | do you use a display protective foil? |
| 00:17.53 | RiD | nope, it's full of little scratches |
| 00:18.23 | RiD | mostly because of my nails I guess ;) the scratches are only visible under certain situations though, it's not like any light is going to show them off |
| 00:19.08 | RiD | but then it looks almost the same as dragging fingertips, so I don't really mind |
| 00:19.25 | RiD | the keyboard however is all worn out, decaying paint |
| 00:26.54 | NeutrinoPower | hm, where I get a maemo-firmware-image? I don't get anything on the nokia-site... |
| 00:27.37 | NeutrinoPower | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php and why they want the IMAI for a free Distribution? |
| 00:27.56 | NeutrinoPower | IMEI |
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| 00:40.40 | Drathir | someone going to flashing ? ^^ |
| 00:42.40 | Drathir | NeutrinoPower: proppably verify version of firmware... because image could be universal... |
| 00:43.47 | NeutrinoPower | actually I have Version 20.2010.36-2 on N900 |
| 00:44.15 | NeutrinoPower | Maemo5 |
| 00:46.17 | Drathir | NeutrinoPower: 21.2011.38-1 |
| 00:47.39 | NeutrinoPower | where can I get this image-version? |
| 00:48.41 | Drathir | ~cssu |
| 00:48.42 | infobot | cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 00:49.31 | Drathir | NeutrinoPower: i chose testing version used on clean flashed from nokia site... |
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| 01:02.05 | NeutrinoPower | maybe I am to tired to find a source of maemo images |
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| 01:02.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | see |
| 01:02.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flash |
| 01:02.57 | infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:03.53 | Skry | NeutrinoPower: did you say you run Arch? If you do, I had to run flasher as root to be able to flash. Telling you this because I know one case where the user did not think of that and thought flasher just does not work. |
| 01:03.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | get the combinedmand vanilla image marked 'latest' |
| 01:04.35 | Drathir | arch? who running arch? |
| 01:05.11 | NeutrinoPower | I |
| 01:05.26 | Drathir | oh main pc system... |
| 01:05.53 | Drathir | i also flashing using arch... works great... |
| 01:06.12 | NeutrinoPower | ah I think I have it, I need only the name of the image and not the image itself for flasher :D lol |
| 01:07.07 | NeutrinoPower | or? |
| 01:07.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry. |
| 01:07.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 01:07.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flash |
| 01:07.39 | infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:07.41 | NeutrinoPower | hm I don't have any idea |
| 01:07.57 | NeutrinoPower | yes i read this site |
| 01:08.36 | NeutrinoPower | but I don't get an image from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 01:09.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | why? |
| 01:09.19 | NeutrinoPower | I don't know |
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| 01:09.25 | Drathir | only one things that you must remember when installing flasher is blacklisting modules... |
| 01:10.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't know is no answer. what's the problem? |
| 01:11.10 | Skry | Drathir: I run arch both on my n900 and "main" pc, if that's what you wondered, check tmo if you're interested. |
| 01:11.36 | Skry | DocScrutinizer51: I believe he gets no download from the page |
| 01:11.55 | NeutrinoPower | ! |
| 01:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 01:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hoped I'd never again have to visit that page :-/ |
| 01:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | now you tell me I have to do it, just to check if it's broken? |
| 01:14.06 | Skry | I thought about doig just that for a moment, didn't. :) |
| 01:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prefer to have a detailed description of the problem |
| 01:14.57 | NeutrinoPower | ah on Konqueror I get a list of maemo-images finally :) |
| 01:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's why ^^^ |
| 01:15.24 | Drathir | Skry: o.O in near future i also going to try run arch on n900.... |
| 01:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: get *VANILLA* and *COMBINED*, botht he version marked 'latest' |
| 01:17.12 | NeutrinoPower | but the newest version is "PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2" |
| 01:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for combined you probably wanna pick the international or global version |
| 01:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sounds correct |
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| 01:19.17 | Skry | Drathir: ok, when you feel like it, be sure to read my guide/thread on tmo before jumping into it |
| 01:19.53 | NeutrinoPower | but I want "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1" |
| 01:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | stay calm, that will come later :-) |
| 01:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll even get "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo6" |
| 01:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | but not as fiaco.image |
| 01:21.13 | Skry | (again, we could really use such an image) |
| 01:21.17 | NeutrinoPower | where? |
| 01:21.56 | Drathir | Skry: with this same nick? |
| 01:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: please get "PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2" |
| 01:22.32 | Skry | Drathir: yes, same nick, it's under alternatives, you'll notice |
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| 01:24.11 | Drathir | NeutrinoPower: easy go throuhgt step that write DocScrutinizer05 and everything goes fine without the problems... |
| 01:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: there is no newer fiasco.image than that one |
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| 01:25.38 | Drathir | Skry: thanks im go to read before do anything with arch arm... thanks a lot... |
| 01:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: sure we could use such an image, really mad useful. But only if it's not neutered into oblivion |
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| 01:27.10 | Skry | Drathir: np, if you need help or want to talk about it, we even have a channel to do that, it's mentioned in the thread also, so welcome. |
| 01:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | traitor! ;-P |
| 01:27.42 | Skry | ;) |
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| 01:27.57 | NeutrinoPower | i downloaded "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" and flash tomorrow, ciao |
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| 01:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | why 003 ? |
| 01:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, tomorrow then |
| 01:28.21 | SpeedEvil | I just got a refund of 239 pounds from my energy company. |
| 01:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just was about to ponder preparing some popcorn |
| 01:28.55 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to resist the nexus 4 which is that exact amount |
| 01:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | literally |
| 01:29.04 | Drathir | Skry: thats amazing thanks for invite i will use it with pleasure when going to install... |
| 01:29.18 | SpeedEvil | my popper died |
| 01:29.21 | Skry | DocScrutinizer05: we just felt it would be appropriate to have a channel focusing on maemo alternatives so we don't cruft this channel. And sure, non-neutered image would be fine, we can always neuter it later. :) |
| 01:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | my words :-) |
| 01:30.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: we'd prefer (well I'd) if you would spend another 45 min so we can talk you thru your first flashing right now |
| 01:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | tomoorow I might not be available |
| 01:30.43 | NeutrinoPower | DocScrutinizer05: would you download "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin"? |
| 01:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 01:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | 003 is what? USA? India? |
| 01:31.57 | NeutrinoPower | oh, I thought middle europe :D |
| 01:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, if that's really the correct image for your locale, then you as well can use 003 |
| 01:32.10 | NeutrinoPower | lol |
| 01:32.37 | NeutrinoPower | I will join this chat before i start flashing tomorrow |
| 01:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but global should really fit everywhere, except for arabic and chinese fonts afaik |
| 01:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 01:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you're lucky, you won't get suggestions like "install powerkernel and thumb!" |
| 01:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 01:34.45 | NeutrinoPower | ciao |
| 01:34.52 | Drathir | for poland loc i take multi and is enough... |
| 01:35.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | (s)he's same country like me, he should as well be happy with global version |
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| 01:39.28 | Skry | I think we {sh,c}ould dig up the day when kerio was unleashed to train the newcomer, from the logs and maybe put it somewhere, it was quite educational evening iirc |
| 01:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: will blacklisting as I suggested on ~flash work on arch? |
| 01:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio? really?? ;-P |
| 01:41.43 | Skry | blacklisting should work similary |
| 01:42.01 | Skry | and yeah, he actually did a very good job back then :) |
| 01:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you can think of a proper searchstring for chanlog, come up with a URL :-D |
| 01:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to admit I can't recall this event |
| 01:43.58 | Skry | I recall you saing before you left "Do whatever kerio says, he knows what he is talking about" or something like that |
| 01:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that sentence I recall |
| 01:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys kerio |
| 01:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kerio |
| 01:44.43 | infobot | methinks kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...] |
| 01:44.53 | Skry | :) |
| 01:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | this was another occasion though |
| 01:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hoped for him to set up a factoid which I could factinfo then for the date |
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| 01:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | scans his calendar for days marked in fat red writing "Kerio not trolling today" ;-) |
| 01:49.11 | Skry | nov 12 was the day |
| 01:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, that's just 2 weeks ago |
| 01:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you meant this one, right? http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-12.log.html#t2012-11-12T17:48:42 |
| 01:54.55 | Skry | yes, that one |
| 01:58.54 | Skry | it was this interesting: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-12.log.html#t2012-11-12T19:16:17 :) |
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| 02:10.50 | Skry | hmm, I wonder if there would be any use for a wiki page that would act as a cheatsheet/reference for newbies, simple chronological links to other pages to get their device up to date and to some essential "non-official" stuff so they can get a glimpse what is possible to do with their device |
| 02:13.26 | Skry | maybe I'll write one someday, apparently editing wiki is still not working? |
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| 02:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-12.log.html#t2012-11-12T18:35:02 FIQ *no |
| 02:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | * BS |
| 02:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | R&D mode is BS |
| 02:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, |
| 02:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___ ^^^ |
| 02:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: editing wiki still fsckd up, I requested for publishing the incriminated .php(?) scripts so community could help fixing them, can't be THAT hard! really! |
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| 02:17.35 | Skry | that would be great, imo working wiki is quite high on priority |
| 02:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, in 4 weeks is x-mess. Nobody at nemein or nokia is working til 6th of january. If shit isn't fixed *before* x-mess, we're probably screwed for looong time approximating infinity |
| 02:18.31 | Skry | that might be the case unfortunately :\ |
| 02:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I really hoped they wouldn't do that, but I always been afraid that worst case how Nokia would "shut down" services was exactly *this* way: rendering everything in a totally messed up unusable state months before they finally pull the plug |
| 02:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course, "why fix it *now* when it's down end EOL in a month or two anyway" F U ! |
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| 02:21.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/end/and/. |
| 02:23.19 | Skry | big corp logic |
| 02:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: and yes, fully functional wiki is at very least among topmost 3 important things for maemo |
| 02:24.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and messing up shite fubar but not allowing it to migrate or getting fixed by any volunteer is among top 3 ways how to destroy a community |
| 02:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | just keep stuff alive enough so users wouldn't ponder to google for alternatives |
| 02:26.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody will notice it's bitrotten and outdated |
| 02:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | except those who want to update it |
| 02:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | on places where you can't do this strategy, you instead send poisonous people to spam each and every thread with annoying rant and bitching and lies and false info, so no sane user will even come back for a second visit |
| 02:29.42 | Skry | Yeah. I wouln't be that surprised if they decided to finally pull the plug as you said, after all things have gone just like you said for awhile now, they have been keeping everything just barely alive. |
| 02:29.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | auxiliary info on that topic: http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ |
| 02:30.27 | Skry | and speaking of the big corps and shit, I found this very interesting read http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/23/why_os2_failed_part_one/ |
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| 02:33.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>It’s also important to set up an official web site which is down as often as it’s up. It’s not enough to have no web site at all; in such situations, the community has an irritating habit of creating sites of its own. But a flaky site can forestall the creation of those sites, ensuring that information is hard to find.<< |
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| 02:39.15 | Skry | very appropriate. that's how it was, and looks like we are the next target. |
| 02:41.19 | Skry | Though I do think this community is something that is not so easy to get rid of. I believe we will manage without the scraps from Nokia just as well. |
| 02:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, possible |
| 02:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 02:54.26 | Skry | at least we have quite adept userbase, people capable of. Can't say anything about financial matters but I think at least good hosting should be possible to achieve and the rest we can do on our own if necessary. |
| 02:56.54 | Drathir | about hosting proppably find any firm to help for advertise of it... |
| 02:57.51 | Drathir | is big community a lot of people visiting of it... |
| 02:58.48 | Drathir | but strange nokia have own servers what problems is give one of them for use maemo community only... |
| 02:59.39 | Skry | yeah, and there is already community members mirroring maemo stuff and related, don't know about the specs of their servers and lines but "community hosting" might be possible too |
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| 03:04.44 | Skry | mm, nemein is hiring, maybe I should apply.. :) |
| 03:14.17 | Hurrian | Skry, so, the plan is, you get the cart, and put the servers on it. We'll have a yellow-orange and slate grey van parked outside in three minutes. |
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| 03:47.21 | Skry | Hurrian: roger that. :) |
| 03:48.37 | Skry | wtf, suddenly he notices that it's morning already! |
| 03:51.27 | Drathir | Skry: only 4.50 here ^^ |
| 03:53.14 | Skry | 5:53 |
| 03:56.29 | Skry | I think I'll just go to sleep, been mindlesly staring at the screen and doing nothing for the part few hours, apparently. |
| 03:56.57 | Skry | past even |
| 03:57.12 | Skry | so, gn |
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| 04:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-12.log.html#t2012-11-12T20:34:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1297539#post1297539 <<that's what I meant when saying "please don't suggest cssu-thumb to newbies, it's not as userfriendly and on a support level as it should be, for that purpose" |
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| 04:36.16 | Drathir | "battery charging mode" :p |
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| 11:20.37 | freemangordon | Anyone Xlib here? what happens if XCreateWindow is called with NULL for parent window? |
| 11:22.58 | jon_y | not sure, make a root window? most GUI toolkit do that anyway |
| 11:23.28 | freemangordon | jon_y: i guess that too, but i need to be sure |
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| 11:54.47 | Pali | freemangordon, use XRootWindow(display, screen_number) |
| 11:55.28 | freemangordon | Pali: I know that :). I am asking ^^^, because this is what systemui-tklock plugin does ;) |
| 11:55.35 | freemangordon | I am REing it |
| 11:56.19 | freemangordon | it passess NULL parent to XCreateWindow |
| 11:56.50 | freemangordon | the same for XCreateColormap |
| 11:57.03 | freemangordon | i.e. NULL window |
| 11:57.55 | freemangordon | anyway, I put /* FIXME */ on all the places I am not sure, you'll have the chance to fix them in CSSU :P |
| 12:01.57 | Pali | I think you should use DefaultRootWindow(display) for root window (not NULL). but google does not know what NULL is doing... |
| 12:02.54 | tadzik | neither does man |
| 12:03.17 | freemangordon | Pali: yeah, I've already asked him |
| 12:03.26 | freemangordon | before asking here |
| 12:03.41 | freemangordon | this could be bug in tklock as well |
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| 12:30.39 | villager | freemangordon: also, the null value for Window is not "NULL", it is "None". Might be important when googling |
| 12:31.19 | freemangordon | villager: what is passed is 0, name it whatever you want |
| 12:31.54 | villager | freemangordon: well, just saying the name might matter to google |
| 12:32.07 | freemangordon | yeah, thanks |
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| 12:48.11 | amospalla | guys, is talk.maemo.org down? |
| 12:48.24 | amospalla | can not load it :S |
| 12:48.29 | tadzik | http://isup.me/talk.maemo.org |
| 12:48.45 | amospalla | oh, ok, now it responds, I thought it was taken down |
| 12:49.32 | amospalla | tadzik: thanks, nice url to bookmark |
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| 13:36.17 | Pali | I destrodyed CAL and here is output from serial console: http://pastebin.com/nVhcXW7r |
| 13:36.37 | Pali | freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 ^^^^ (test in qemu) |
| 13:37.15 | Pali | I do not understand: [ 0.010] ERROR: both configuration areas are invalid; choosing first half |
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| 13:37.33 | Pali | we have *two* CAL partitions in n900??? |
| 13:37.42 | freemangordon | Pali: look at libcal replacement, you'll get it |
| 13:37.53 | freemangordon | no, it is split in 3 areas |
| 13:38.03 | freemangordon | conf1, conf2, user |
| 13:38.15 | freemangordon | there is exactly the same message there |
| 13:39.51 | freemangordon | Pali: https://gitorious.org/cal/cal/blobs/master/src/cal.c#line1008 |
| 13:40.04 | Pali | ok |
| 13:40.18 | Pali | seems that same libcal.so is linked to NOLO |
| 13:40.26 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 13:50.13 | Pali | after investigation: NOLO has hardcoded some fallback partition table which can be overwritten by partition table in CAL |
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| 13:51.20 | Pali | so NOLO has hardcoded offset and size of CAL, NOLO parse it and then it overwrite partition table CAL |
| 13:51.27 | Pali | freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 ^^^^ |
| 13:52.01 | freemangordon | hmm, so we cannot move CAL? |
| 13:52.32 | Pali | yes |
| 13:52.49 | Pali | I tried it in qemu, but NOLO not worked |
| 13:53.57 | Pali | so bootloader and CAL partition cannot be changed |
| 13:54.40 | Pali | btw, here is dump from NOLO console: http://pastebin.com/NeNnH22W |
| 13:55.01 | Pali | if somebody understand format of CAL part_table, we can increase size of rootfs |
| 13:55.10 | Pali | (removing initfs) |
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| 13:57.01 | Pali | btw replacing NOLO by u-boot will not be possible, because NOLO booting CMT |
| 13:57.14 | Pali | and we have no code for CMT :-( |
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| 14:19.04 | kerio | Pali: well, NOLO isn't that problematic, is it |
| 14:22.42 | ShadowJK | just boot uboot from nolo? what's the diff :) |
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| 14:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | move kernel to /boot |
| 14:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | megabytes of additional space in kernel partition for uBoot improvements |
| 14:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, I wouldn't nuke initfs partition, it might serve better purposes than for introducing incalculable risk by removing it |
| 14:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to put initfs partition to purpose, do mkubifs and mount it |
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| 14:37.05 | Pali | kerio, you can try to decode that part_table section in CAL :P |
| 14:37.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: move kernel to initfs! |
| 14:37.33 | kerio | duh |
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| 14:39.14 | kerio | Pali: how do i read something from CAL? |
| 14:41.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: initfs is as big as kernel |
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| 14:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I thought about that as well, for some weird reason I don't like the idea as much as the classical solution 'kernel zImage in /boot' |
| 14:55.19 | kerio | mount initfs as /boot, maybe? |
| 15:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds nice |
| 15:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 15:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds extremely nice |
| 15:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is it that tasty coffee? |
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| 15:04.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it feels like your mood depends a lot on how much time has passed since your last coffee |
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| 15:06.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, having a separate /boot and a separate /usr would make fremantle *almost* like a real linux system |
| 15:07.16 | kerio | and mounting a separate /usr wouldn't be too difficult i think |
| 15:10.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I guess that rationale 2 up is exactly why I like that idea so much :-) |
| 15:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, we even could use another filesystem (like jffs2) if uBoot has too many problems with loading kernel from ubifs |
| 15:11.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the thing is, changing too much becomes a risk |
| 15:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's another nice point about it, we're not really changing much this way |
| 15:12.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just the /boot ? |
| 15:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -ld /boot |
| 15:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 2011-03-06 21:52 /boot |
| 15:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | already there, where's the big change? |
| 15:13.42 | kerio | i meant /usr too :) |
| 15:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -ld /usr |
| 15:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 928 2010-07-30 02:03 /usr |
| 15:14.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: uboot doesn't support the onenand though |
| 15:14.14 | kerio | at least, it doesn't support non-2101 onenands |
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| 15:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: uBoot doesn't support onenand? wut? |
| 15:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe *our* (neutered) uBoot doesn't support ubifs |
| 15:19.12 | kerio | there's no onenand support compiled in the latest pali's uboot because it doesn't work correctly |
| 15:19.33 | Pali | uboot has support for ubifs |
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| 15:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but when we move kernel out of kernel partition, uBoot got more additional space than it needs total space right now |
| 15:20.07 | Pali | but for some unknown reason uboot cannot read anything from n900 onenand |
| 15:21.00 | kerio | Pali: i thought it worked for 2101 n900s |
| 15:21.11 | Pali | no |
| 15:21.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: by default, uboot reads the config file from the first vfat partition on the emmc |
| 15:21.51 | Pali | when I compiled uboot with onenand support it broke booting on non 2101 n900s |
| 15:22.16 | Pali | but reading onenand does not worked on 2101 n900... |
| 15:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | pandaboard should have a working uBoot for omap3430-onenand, no? |
| 15:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw my daily n900 just acted up on inbound call like... makes me want to place it on floor and kick it |
| 15:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | it took me ~5..10s until finally inbound call got established. Until then it did funny stuff like resuming ringtone playback after I pressed 'accept', rotating forth and back, etc |
| 15:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | first time it went apeshit like that |
| 15:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hhh |
| 15:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm even |
| 15:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# uptime |
| 15:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.14 | ShadowJK | iostat -m mmcblk0p3 |
| 15:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mem: 245540 237248 8292 0 528 87876 |
| 15:34.45 | NeutrinoPower | I reflash Maemo5 on my "new" N900 now, would you reflash Vanilla version of the eMMC too? |
| 15:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Swap: 786424 183912 602512 |
| 15:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: yes |
| 15:35.39 | ShadowJK | low ram use |
| 15:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# iostat -m mmcblk0p3 |
| 15:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | bash: iostat: command not found |
| 15:35.57 | ShadowJK | sysstat in -devel |
| 15:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | E: Couldn't find package sysstat |
| 15:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I ought check my catalogs |
| 15:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sucks |
| 15:37.44 | ShadowJK | or was it in tools? |
| 15:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possibly |
| 15:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U HAM! |
| 15:38.59 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.09 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.09 | jacekowski | Mem: 24743824 22672616 2071208 0 112 17723156 |
| 15:39.09 | jacekowski | -/+ buffers/cache: 4949348 19794476 |
| 15:39.09 | jacekowski | Swap: 18429944 2015552 16414392 |
| 15:39.34 | ShadowJK | anyway, if it shows more than 786 megs written, I bet that's a big cause of higher latencies |
| 15:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Suggested packages: isag Recommended packages: cron --- suuuuuure |
| 15:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: thanks, next time... ;-P |
| 15:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Device: tps MB_read/s MB_wrtn/s MB_read MB_wrtn |
| 15:41.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | mmcblk0p3 0,00 0,00 0,00 0 0 |
| 15:44.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, time for a reboot |
| 15:44.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | cheers |
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| 15:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't worry about cause of this glitch in my N900 - I did quite some stuff that usually I'm not supposed to do, like testing commands I thought might be related to dsp-reset etc |
| 15:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | also a bq27200.sh 60 >>somewhere.log been running since 2 weeks at least |
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| 16:04.15 | kerio | NeutrinoPower: you have to flash VANILLA and COMBINED together |
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| 16:06.01 | kerio | ohohohoho vettel |
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| 16:06.35 | Pali | kerio, did you looked at new 0xFFFF? |
| 16:06.40 | kerio | Pali: no i didn't |
| 16:06.51 | kerio | should i test something in particular? |
| 16:07.06 | Pali | you can generate your own fiasco images :-) |
| 16:09.50 | kerio | of emmc too? |
| 16:13.39 | kerio | hahaha what the hell is going on with the race |
| 16:14.33 | kerio | NeutrinoPower: when you're done, come back here |
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| 16:24.44 | Pali | kerio, yes of emmc too |
| 16:24.59 | Pali | you only need to add layout file |
| 16:25.25 | Pali | kerio, but you can extract layout file from nokia emmc image by 0xFFFF |
| 16:25.45 | kerio | Pali: afaik vi__ had a bunch of problems with making an eMMC image |
| 16:27.00 | Pali | kerio, tell vi__ that I can help with eMMC image |
| 16:27.15 | Pali | 0xFFFF can generate it without problem |
| 16:27.21 | kerio | he tried doing that with fiascogen, it failed |
| 16:27.39 | Pali | fiasco-gen needs some special args... |
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| 16:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, that's what I told him |
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| 17:20.14 | Drathir | avi throught sshfs works ok... |
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| 17:32.25 | Drathir | yes high compresion h264 kill smoothly play on n900 mayby not is tragic but video slower but looks ok bigger problem is synchro video audio... audio is faster then video... lets me try rmvb... |
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| 17:41.19 | eyaler | Hello to everyone, not so Maemo question but i'm trying to convery UYVY Fcam Image to IplImage did anybody tried? |
| 17:45.39 | eyaler | anybody here? |
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| 17:53.00 | kerio | Drathir: what are you using to play the video? |
| 17:57.28 | eyaler | are u asking me? |
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| 18:40.00 | Drathir | kerio: from sshfs mplayer... |
| 18:40.29 | kerio | oh god why |
| 18:40.37 | kerio | mplayer is *far* from being optimized |
| 18:40.38 | kerio | at all |
| 18:40.47 | kerio | the n900 has a DSP |
| 18:40.55 | kerio | mediaplayer/openmediaplayer/mafw uses it |
| 18:41.09 | kerio | it's no surprise that the playback isn't smooth |
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| 18:49.21 | Drathir | kerio: any other way to play from sshfs? |
| 18:50.18 | Drathir | also have smplayer but this is weak optimised to n900 - so sad because is the best... |
| 18:50.40 | Drathir | kerio: yes n900 have dsp |
| 18:51.55 | Drathir | kerio: media openmedia have strannge highly not configurable options... |
| 18:52.29 | Drathir | mafw dont used yet must check it... |
| 18:53.46 | Drathir | kerio: all play great exclude h264 created with avidemux.... |
| 18:56.23 | tadzik | hm. Does the fact than mediaplayer stops playing when someone calls me come from the smartness of mafw? |
| 18:56.40 | Drathir | and mplayer is easier to use from console... |
| 18:57.31 | tadzik | ponders a thought of something with MPD-compat. API but using mafw under the hood |
| 18:59.00 | Drathir | tadzik: also when play audio and close media close, when play video and minimalize or lock screen stop play... |
| 18:59.44 | tadzik | sorry, I don't understand you |
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| 19:33.51 | FIQ | just a question -- I accidentally left my spare battery in a car outside in 24h and it's kind of cold, does batteries survive this just fine? |
| 19:33.57 | FIQ | just asking before I attempt to use it :p |
| 19:34.20 | tadzik | it probably won't blow up :) |
| 19:34.27 | FIQ | heh |
| 19:34.45 | FIQ | "probably" :3 |
| 19:36.34 | SpeedEvil | it's fine to -15c or so storage, easily |
| 19:36.34 | FIQ | seems to work fine |
| 19:36.44 | SpeedEvil | let it warm up before using |
| 19:37.02 | FIQ | 9:55 |
| 19:37.06 | FIQ | er, wrong channel |
| 19:37.26 | FIQ | SpeedEvil: it was ~0 or so I think |
| 19:37.43 | FIQ | definitely not below though |
| 19:38.16 | SpeedEvil | not any issue other than condensation |
| 19:38.50 | kerio | hell, iirc you're *supposed* to keep batteries in the fridge for long-term storage |
| 19:39.22 | tadzik | yeah, I've heard that too |
| 19:39.29 | tadzik | never bothered to do that tho :) |
| 19:40.19 | FIQ | heh |
| 19:40.48 | FIQ | my spare battery usually just sits in my external charger, also for longer storage |
| 19:41.01 | FIQ | (like the period of ~1month when I had a non-working N900) |
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| 19:50.40 | eyaler | Hello to everyone, not so Maemo question but i'm trying to convery UYVY Fcam Image to IplImage did anybody tried? |
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| 19:59.35 | eyaler | anybody here? |
| 20:01.12 | tadzik | yes |
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| 20:01.40 | eyaler | well... hello |
| 20:01.59 | tadzik | hello :) No, I didn't convert any fcam images, sorry |
| 20:02.22 | eyaler | it okay.. i also didn't do it :-) |
| 20:02.27 | kubahaha | hello everyone |
| 20:02.58 | eyaler | hello |
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| 20:12.57 | Drathir | openmedia is a litte enchancd version of mediaplayer... |
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| 22:09.07 | Drathir | tadzik: i mean also when play audio and try to close mediaplayer audio stop too, when play video and minimalize or lock screen stop play... |
| 22:09.27 | tadzik | I see |
| 22:09.56 | tadzik | well, in omp you can choose to not stop playing music when you close the media player |
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| 23:00.35 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
| 23:00.54 | Drathir | kerio: ping |
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| 23:06.29 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: kerio wich of /dev/ is used for dsp device? |
| 23:10.26 | Skry | Drathir: /dev/DspBridge |
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| 23:16.44 | Drathir | Skry: thanks im thinking about that but not sure... |
| 23:17.06 | Drathir | name can be similar for something other... |
| 23:23.31 | Drathir | eh not works that... |
| 23:24.38 | Skry | what are you trying to do? |
| 23:24.53 | Drathir | Skry: mplayer dont see /dev/dsp for oss driver but symlink to correct place not works... |
| 23:25.28 | Skry | ok, then that is definetely NOT the device you need |
| 23:26.32 | Skry | why are you not using mplayer -ao pulse ? |
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| 23:27.29 | Drathir | Skry: because this vaule is ovverided by ao alsa |
| 23:27.44 | Drathir | in conso.e output |
| 23:27.50 | Drathir | console* |
| 23:29.10 | Drathir | i see also /dev/snd but dont know what this connected it is... |
| 23:29.34 | Skry | I don't think oss compatibility is in fremantle kernel |
| 23:29.53 | Skry | or as modules for that matter |
| 23:32.07 | Drathir | Skry: but only for alsa and oss is reaction see only this two options... |
| 23:33.04 | Skry | I'm not quite getting what you mean, wait a second and I'll install mplayer and see |
| 23:33.11 | halVIII__ | alsa work |
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| 23:34.42 | Drathir | halVIII__: yes alsa works but to many [AO_ALSA] Trying to reset soundcard. |
| 23:34.45 | Drathir | [AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe. |
| 23:35.14 | Drathir | looking for alternative to check somthing... |
| 23:35.19 | halVIII__ | ram or disk full ? |
| 23:36.04 | Drathir | halVIII__: none of them full |
| 23:36.44 | Drathir | ram 165/229mb |
| 23:37.05 | Drathir | swap only 199mb used |
| 23:39.18 | Drathir | is possible compiling programs on n900? |
| 23:39.42 | Drathir | from source package i mean... |
| 23:39.55 | halVIII__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.13 | Skry | same here |
| 23:40.16 | Drathir | look for output |
| 23:40.54 | FIQ | Drathir: depends |
| 23:40.58 | Drathir | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 23:40.59 | Drathir | AO: [alsa] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) |
| 23:41.05 | Skry | -ao pulse -> everything ok, -ao alsa I get the same error as you but audio works ok regardless |
| 23:41.22 | FIQ | you *can* install the required stuff on-device but it's tedious and compilation will take ages |
| 23:41.40 | FIQ | recommended way is using sbox on your computer |
| 23:42.07 | Drathir | FIQ: good trick... |
| 23:43.22 | Drathir | MPlayer SVN-r30099-4.2.1 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team |
| 23:43.40 | Drathir | from cssu testing |
| 23:43.47 | halVIII__ | ao_alsa broken pipe ... reset soundcard... but it's ok I hear the sound |
| 23:44.24 | halVIII__ | so I can't help you more, sorry |
| 23:45.14 | halVIII__ | maybe your sound level ^^ |
| 23:46.03 | Drathir | yes yes sound is heared but with more load when tray to play h264 sometimes that brokee pipe messages is mor than few and looking for alternative output to compare behaviour... |
| 23:46.42 | Drathir | halVIII__: thanks alot for check this is enough thanks again... |
| 23:47.15 | halVIII__ | ok I didn't try h264, maybe too heavy file? |
| 23:47.41 | Skry | I did try h264 |
| 23:47.59 | Skry | by any chance, are you trying to play some insanely overkill 720p with dts or something? |
| 23:50.24 | Skry | I think I turned invisible |
| 23:51.05 | Drathir | Skry: i use avidemux for convert video mpeg-4 avc (x264) audio mp3 container mkv |
| 23:51.10 | FIQ | yes you're currently +i |
| 23:52.41 | Drathir | halVIII__: yes proppably but interesting is that video little slowly than normal but play, and audio is not synchronised is much faster than video... |
| 23:53.40 | Drathir | file size of that encode is very acceptable is very small and quaility is very high... |
| 23:54.23 | Drathir | Skry: not most of the files is 480p max |
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| 23:57.10 | Skry | this probably is just about personal preference, but why are you using mplayer when you have option to player which uses DSP for decoding? |
| 23:57.51 | Drathir | something like eg. 704x400 |
| 23:58.02 | Skry | and yes, those broken pipe messages do tend to appear when your system is just too slow to play the file |
| 23:58.26 | Drathir | Skry: openmedia cant read from sshfs |
| 23:59.09 | Drathir | with mplayer i play from console chosing the file... |