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| 01:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: wb |
| 01:38.34 | infobot | It's great to be back! |
| 01:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen laf0rge |
| 01:38.46 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'laf0rge' |
| 01:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 01:39.28 | sys232 | lol |
| 01:39.36 | sys232 | I will see laf0rg |
| 01:39.40 | sys232 | give me the url |
| 01:40.02 | sys232 | there are alot of google results |
| 01:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-21 02:41:06] [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~laforge@sunbeam.ipv6.gnumonks.org |
| 01:41.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-21 02:41:06] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : now |
| 01:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: you're in same chan like him, you can ask him directly |
| 01:43.41 | sys232 | where is he ? |
| 01:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't know where are you? |
| 01:44.05 | sys232 | #maemo channel |
| 01:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see you in other channels too |
| 01:45.10 | sys232 | osmocom and maemo |
| 01:45.11 | sys232 | just |
| 01:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's not exactly hard to figure, eh? |
| 01:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | but in fact I haven't heard about him planning to start a sat on his own |
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| 01:47.12 | sys232 | maybe you are laf0rge |
| 01:47.15 | sys232 | :D |
| 01:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe laF0rge is Harald Welte |
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| 01:47.54 | sys232 | but I can't find him |
| 01:48.03 | sys232 | give me his nickname |
| 01:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 01:49.04 | sys232 | sorry I can't understand |
| 01:49.07 | sys232 | :) |
| 01:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | /whois laf0rge |
| 01:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're an IRC newbie? |
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| 01:50.09 | sys232 | yap |
| 01:50.30 | sys232 | may I ask how old are you ? |
| 01:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 01:50.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 01:51.00 | sys232 | ok ;) |
| 01:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I don't want to know |
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| 01:51.39 | sys232 | LaF0rge |
| 01:51.45 | sys232 | lol |
| 01:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: /join #osmocom |
| 01:51.50 | sys232 | :D |
| 01:51.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | laf<tab> |
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| 01:52.46 | sys232 | ah |
| 01:52.53 | sys232 | finally I find hiim |
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| 01:53.05 | sys232 | he is genuis |
| 01:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, first of all he's a nice guy and a friend |
| 01:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and an ex-colleague |
| 01:54.14 | sys232 | so you are student |
| 01:54.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 01:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | why that now? |
| 01:54.41 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: got mindblown :P |
| 01:55.18 | sys232 | merlin1991 thank you :/ |
| 01:55.38 | sys232 | :P |
| 01:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I might consider studying a bit more, after retirement |
| 01:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | astronomy maybe |
| 01:57.09 | SpeedEvil | the Kepler results are fascinating |
| 01:58.11 | SpeedEvil | http://kepler.nasa.gov/Science/ForScientists/keplerconference/sessions/ |
| 01:58.19 | SpeedEvil | last science conference |
| 01:58.40 | SpeedEvil | it's awesome, as it's a new field, it's mostly understandable to the layman |
| 01:59.05 | SpeedEvil | well, the layman that isn't scared of Fourier transforms, and Doppler |
| 01:59.35 | sys232 | however, I'm looking to hack gsm network like make free calls or make call from new number that I have not . |
| 01:59.39 | SpeedEvil | the amount of info you can pull out of the ft of a stars brightness is insane |
| 01:59.41 | sys232 | is it possible |
| 01:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | this falcon9 is a monster - 5.5m dia * 6.6(11.4)m cargo bay |
| 01:59.54 | sys232 | DocScrutinizer05 oh you are retirement |
| 01:59.58 | sys232 | like my father |
| 02:00.00 | sys232 | :D |
| 02:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is not possible |
| 02:00.23 | sys232 | why not possible |
| 02:00.27 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: next year, they strap three together, and launch |
| 02:00.48 | SpeedEvil | sys232: the bugs in GSM are about privacy, and network stability basically |
| 02:01.07 | SpeedEvil | sys232: they secured the pay-for bite quite well |
| 02:01.27 | SpeedEvil | you can disrupt the network, but getting free calls is hard |
| 02:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | impossible |
| 02:01.55 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. |
| 02:01.59 | sys232 | and make calls from another number ? |
| 02:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost impossible |
| 02:02.23 | sys232 | even if I used osmocombb device |
| 02:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | better crack the credit card algo and buy a gold-contract for GSM |
| 02:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | easier |
| 02:03.02 | SpeedEvil | there seemed some plausible sim secret attacks, if you can get someone to log onto a fake tower, and attack the sim from that side |
| 02:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 02:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, you'll cause both IMEI getting banned if you log in concurrently |
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| 02:03.42 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 02:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, basically impossible, and for sure not worth it |
| 02:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and, depending on your local jursidiction, may earn you 20 years |
| 02:05.26 | SpeedEvil | Skype et al are way easier |
| 02:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a flight to gitmo |
| 02:05.46 | SpeedEvil | or even ham radio |
| 02:05.51 | merlin1991 | I didn't know there are such harsh laws about breaking gsm |
| 02:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not about breaking into GSM, but about breakink aka tearing down GSM |
| 02:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is the most likely result of such script kiddie "attacks" for 2free calls" |
| 02:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ |
| 02:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: if you wanna do calls free of charge, climb next phone cable pole and clip a field phone to 2 wires |
| 02:11.12 | sys232 | DocScrutinizer05 if you say there is script kiddie attacks for free calls |
| 02:11.19 | sys232 | so it is not impossible |
| 02:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | some of you might not be surprised to hear: AFK |
| 02:12.25 | SpeedEvil | me too, 2am here |
| 02:12.28 | SpeedEvil | night |
| 02:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 SpeedEvil |
| 02:20.16 | sys232 | 4:19 here |
| 02:20.17 | sys232 | :D |
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| 08:12.52 | khertan | Morning |
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| 08:39.48 | merlin1991 | hm why does google searching for slush12 only yield in twitter results? |
| 08:42.06 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer51: I suspected it might be some murata connector. |
| 08:47.37 | qwazix | merlin1991, their website is slush.fi but it's down... |
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| 08:47.48 | qwazix | but jolla.com is live with a stream |
| 08:48.07 | merlin1991 | qwazix: yeah, and the social media plugin below the livestream has each entry twice xD |
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| 08:55.14 | vi____ | merlin1991: Is the jolla announcement today? |
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| 08:55.37 | merlin1991 | vi____: at least the have varius post that look like "#T-5" |
| 09:00.26 | tadzik | vi____: yeah, 5 minutes to go or something |
| 09:01.11 | tadzik | http://new.livestream.com/slushlive/mainstage this shows stuff |
| 09:02.49 | vi____ | and for those at work who cannot watch, you will make many cynical comments on irc pls? |
| 09:02.53 | tadzik | sure |
| 09:02.59 | tadzik | as in, it just broke |
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| 09:03.03 | tadzik | "please wait" |
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| 09:03.32 | thedead1440 | tadzik: maybe because they are haivng a break... jolla.com has the same stream in a higher quality; it works now too |
| 09:03.41 | tadzik | thedead1440: yeah, seems to be running now |
| 09:03.43 | thedead1440 | s/haivng/having |
| 09:03.54 | tadzik | SLUSH SLUSH SLUSH is the only thing to be seen :) |
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| 09:07.04 | vi____ | oh god. pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, . |
| 09:07.13 | tadzik | (: |
| 09:07.37 | tadzik | live: audience is getting bored, stood up, is talking to each other |
| 09:08.01 | vi____ | The world has enough touch screen only shitters. |
| 09:09.11 | tadzik | while we're at it, I think there's a room for improvement in keyboard-typing |
| 09:09.32 | tadzik | "touch screen only shitters" have lots of stuff like this swype thing, predicting next words etc. Why don't we? |
| 09:09.58 | tadzik | I started some proof-of-concept work, and convinced my N900 to autocomplete "are" to "are we going for a beer?" |
| 09:10.04 | tadzik | I think it's promising :) |
| 09:10.19 | tadzik | oh, there's someone on the stage |
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| 09:11.48 | vi____ | "android app compatibility is confirmed in QA in the wiki" - wtf |
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| 09:11.59 | vi____ | qwazix: o/ |
| 09:12.11 | qwazix | vi____, hey |
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| 09:13.56 | qwazix | wifi is really flakey here... |
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| 09:16.55 | tadzik | Jolla guy comes up |
| 09:17.46 | tadzik | okay, make it plural |
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| 09:18.12 | Pali | do you have any non flash jolla stream? |
| 09:19.28 | tadzik | Star Trek quotes |
| 09:19.59 | merlin1991 | dafuq |
| 09:20.13 | tadzik | they put sailfish on lots of hardware it seems |
| 09:20.26 | merlin1991 | hopes there'll be a less marketing like presentation at some point |
| 09:20.44 | tadzik | patience, grasshoper ;) |
| 09:22.38 | merlin1991 | tadzik: nah I'm here for the details, no intrest in marketing talk |
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| 09:24.05 | vi____ | tadzik: ...yes |
| 09:24.06 | tadzik | Er. This entire thing is about marketing, you know that ;) |
| 09:24.17 | vi____ | we know mer runs on lots of hardware. |
| 09:24.24 | vi____ | hardware with...a keyboard? |
| 09:24.26 | tadzik | mer, yes |
| 09:26.02 | vi____ | 'Sailfish UI demo presentation (GMT: 15:00-16:00)' |
| 09:26.17 | vi____ | So they are not actually showing any hardware today? |
| 09:26.56 | tadzik | possibly |
| 09:27.06 | tadzik | he only mentioned UI demo so far |
| 09:27.27 | tadzik | "we'll show you what you're all been waiting for, the UI" |
| 09:27.38 | vi____ | UI demo is in 3 hours! |
| 09:27.44 | tadzik | now they're working about China and partnerships |
| 09:27.46 | vi____ | sorry, 6 hours! |
| 09:28.37 | tadzik | I wonder if this guy is actually holding a Jolla device now :) |
| 09:28.47 | tadzik | as a clicker and notekeeper |
| 09:28.56 | vi____ | Does it have a keyboard? |
| 09:29.02 | vi____ | Does it have a d-pad? |
| 09:29.11 | vi____ | What about 2x SD card slots? |
| 09:29.17 | vi____ | FULLSIZE. |
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| 09:35.00 | vi____ | tadzik: what is he showing now? |
| 09:35.17 | tadzik | vi____: smalltalking about how awesome they are |
| 09:35.31 | tadzik | "we're talking with chinese guys, blabla" |
| 09:35.37 | tadzik | "opensource, opensource, opensource, opensourc" |
| 09:35.39 | vi____ | tadzik: are they ragging on nokia at all? |
| 09:35.46 | tadzik | nope |
| 09:35.49 | vi____ | developers, developers, developers! |
| 09:35.59 | tadzik | oh and "we're so awesome we port Sailfish to new hardware overnight" |
| 09:36.09 | vi____ | open source like open source or open source like maemo? |
| 09:36.16 | merlin1991 | tadzik: seems like the marketing talk isn't workign on you :P |
| 09:36.19 | tadzik | fuck if I know |
| 09:36.28 | thedead1440 | vi_ they are proclaiming the former not latter |
| 09:36.43 | tadzik | merlin1991: well, I'm here for the details as well :) |
| 09:37.13 | tadzik | merlin1991: they've spent half a year saying "we're creating new meego!", I already got the "we're awesome" point ;) |
| 09:37.39 | vi____ | Meh, I can boot netbsd on my toilet in less than an hour. |
| 09:37.42 | vi____ | Get on with it. |
| 09:37.50 | tadzik | now they go "buy our t-shirt, buy our t-shirts" |
| 09:37.58 | vi____ | what? |
| 09:37.58 | tadzik | Star Wars quotes now |
| 09:38.02 | vi____ | They are selling tshirts? |
| 09:38.12 | tadzik | yeah, 30€ one or something |
| 09:38.18 | vi____ | o0 |
| 09:38.24 | tadzik | oh, this is interesting |
| 09:38.31 | vi____ | ...yes |
| 09:38.32 | merlin1991 | hm I should get all cssu developers onto some conference and make a presentation that just contains "we're awesome" :D |
| 09:38.56 | vi____ | merlin1991: Don't worry, everyone knows you guys are awesome/ |
| 09:39.13 | vi____ | tadzik: What is interesting???? |
| 09:39.24 | vi____ | Has it got a keyboard? |
| 09:39.29 | tadzik | vi____: well, he's clearly distinguishing Sailfish and Jolla |
| 09:39.40 | tadzik | "We want Sailfish in other vendors' phones" |
| 09:40.23 | merlin1991 | bah joiko again |
| 09:40.36 | vi____ | tadzik: How about they put it in their own damn phone first. |
| 09:40.36 | merlin1991 | I bet it's going to be some f00bar kernel module and wep only |
| 09:40.37 | tadzik | for a moment I thought that he's implying that Sailfish to Jolla-Sailfish is like Chromium to Chrome |
| 09:40.40 | vi____ | with a keyboard. |
| 09:40.52 | vi____ | oh shit. |
| 09:40.57 | vi____ | AEGIS. |
| 09:41.11 | Timo | AEGIS??? |
| 09:41.23 | Timo | Sailfish. Has. Aegis??? |
| 09:41.28 | vi____ | YES |
| 09:41.36 | Timo | fffffffuuuuuuuuu |
| 09:41.37 | vi____ | lets start this rumour right here, right now. |
| 09:41.38 | tadzik | pardon me, what's aegis? |
| 09:41.45 | tadzik | oh, a rumour, sorry |
| 09:41.49 | tadzik | OMG AEGIS |
| 09:41.54 | Timo | oh, a romour :P |
| 09:42.03 | merlin1991 | ~aegis |
| 09:42.03 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 09:42.07 | vi____ | FFS AEGIS IN THE NEW JOLLA FONE? |
| 09:42.49 | merlin1991 | rofl android logo on the last layer at some point |
| 09:42.59 | tadzik | there was a video with UI |
| 09:43.07 | vi____ | what is it like? |
| 09:43.08 | tadzik | looked like WIndows Phone to me |
| 09:43.14 | tadzik | pardon my blasphemy |
| 09:43.23 | vi____ | is it functional or JUMBO GAY nonsense? |
| 09:43.27 | tadzik | maybe that was not their ui |
| 09:43.39 | merlin1991 | tbh it looked nice minimalistic, untill it came to something like a homescreen |
| 09:43.42 | tadzik | nah, the video was "the microphone broke, let's show a video" |
| 09:44.08 | tadzik | okay, they're getting to the point |
| 09:44.18 | tadzik | there'll be devices |
| 09:44.27 | tadzik | or not |
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| 09:44.48 | merlin1991 | camera is shite |
| 09:44.54 | merlin1991 | show the friggin slides |
| 09:45.15 | tadzik | yeah |
| 09:46.05 | tadzik | behaves like nemo a bit |
| 09:46.29 | entitled | link to the video? |
| 09:47.02 | merlin1991 | jolla.comn |
| 09:47.13 | tadzik | oh that's nice |
| 09:47.25 | tadzik | you can control the application while it's "minimized" |
| 09:47.30 | merlin1991 | tbh i looks like harmattane |
| 09:47.34 | merlin1991 | -e |
| 09:47.52 | merlin1991 | s/.i/ it/ |
| 09:48.33 | tadzik | "True multitasking, true multitasking, true multitasking" |
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| 09:48.46 | vi____ | This does not bode well for hardware keyboard enthusiasts. |
| 09:48.56 | vi____ | Will it come with an 80x25 xterm? |
| 09:49.09 | tadzik | I don't mind touscreen being useful |
| 09:49.34 | vi____ | Yes, I actually prefer my touchscreens to be useful as oppose to totally fucking worthless. |
| 09:50.23 | tadzik | aaand it's over |
| 09:50.24 | vi____ | What are they doing now? |
| 09:50.38 | vi____ | wut? |
| 09:50.45 | vi____ | Where is the keyboard? |
| 09:50.50 | tadzik | SDK 10 o'clock tomorrow |
| 09:50.55 | tadzik | there was no device |
| 09:50.56 | vi____ | -_- |
| 09:51.02 | vi____ | it is another stinker. |
| 09:51.44 | entitled | they've said before they are not making phones to hacker, but to common people |
| 09:52.02 | entitled | I don't expect qwerty phone from them anytime soon |
| 09:52.07 | vi____ | But common people are retard suck bags. |
| 09:52.41 | entitled | Money. |
| 09:52.56 | vi____ | Common people cannot tell the difference between PC hardware and 'windows'. |
| 09:53.05 | entitled | They wouldn't survive with a niche phone, especially at the launch |
| 09:53.07 | tadzik | common people bring revenue |
| 09:53.27 | vi____ | I know, I know. |
| 09:53.35 | vi____ | I just wanted to believe. |
| 09:53.56 | tadzik | vi____: want a one minute yt video? |
| 09:54.04 | tadzik | there's one on jolla.com now |
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| 09:54.19 | vi____ | tadzik: I will view it later. |
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| 09:54.36 | vi____ | tadzik: Thank you for your commentary. |
| 09:54.37 | entitled | There's still hope they will release one later on, or that some other company make qwerty phone with the same OS |
| 09:55.15 | tadzik | merlin1991: I think the android logo was meant to imply that they can run android apps |
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| 09:55.22 | tadzik | there was some rumour about it before |
| 09:55.29 | vi____ | tadzik: Apparently it can. |
| 09:55.29 | Timo | No. Fucking. Phone announce?? |
| 09:55.40 | tadzik | no |
| 09:55.47 | tadzik | dude, phones are expensive |
| 09:55.56 | tadzik | where would they get one, it's a startup ;) |
| 09:56.02 | Timo | So? :P |
| 09:56.12 | vi____ | tadzik: Are you suggesting that they do not actually have a phone? |
| 09:56.28 | tadzik | vi____: I wouldn't be surprised |
| 09:56.36 | vi____ | Motherfuckers. |
| 09:56.50 | tadzik | one of the guys said "don't get too excited about the hardware", like in "what we're showing is just a prototype" |
| 09:56.59 | Timo | =( |
| 09:57.11 | tadzik | "what we're not showing is just a prototype" |
| 09:57.20 | vi____ | So right now they have about as much sucess, if not less than tizen? |
| 09:57.36 | tadzik | I've never seen tizen in action. So you may be right :> |
| 09:58.08 | tadzik | things we do know: |
| 09:58.17 | tadzik | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.29 | vi____ | It probably has something like AEGIS. |
| 09:58.37 | tadzik | wtf is this AEGIS thing? |
| 09:58.48 | merlin1991 | ~aegis |
| 09:58.48 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 09:58.59 | vi____ | -It DOES have some form of Android compatibility layer. |
| 09:59.17 | vi____ | tadzik: AEGIS is part of the reason the N9 sucks so much. |
| 09:59.21 | tadzik | okay |
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| 09:59.25 | tadzik | no, we don't know if they do |
| 09:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | now are you serious or are you trolling? |
| 09:59.31 | tadzik | they didn't show it live |
| 09:59.48 | vi____ | It says so on their website FFS. |
| 09:59.49 | merlin1991 | heck we have an android compatability layer on harm and on maemo :D |
| 10:00.04 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: Yes I am being serious, AEGIS sucks. |
| 10:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I finally know why they never dared to hire me |
| 10:00.29 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: did you apply? |
| 10:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 10:00.41 | Timo | Aegis sucks indeed |
| 10:01.00 | Pali | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/QA |
| 10:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | though before everybody else did, and not formally but directly in IRQ /query |
| 10:01.14 | Pali | "Will you support DRM? No." |
| 10:01.21 | Pali | this looks good ^^^^ |
| 10:01.22 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: You applied for a job...through IRC? |
| 10:01.31 | merlin1991 | vi____: why not? |
| 10:01.43 | vi____ | You wore a suit while you did it right? |
| 10:01.48 | tadzik | What is your open source contribution model? – Sailfish OS is based on Mer and Qt which are already existing and known open-source projects with good contribution policies. |
| 10:01.53 | tadzik | great way to tell nothing at all |
| 10:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm always aplying thru IRC for the *good* jobs |
| 10:03.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: how would you apply for a job with a company that has not even a website? |
| 10:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | via snail mail? |
| 10:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, no snail mail addr either |
| 10:03.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | twitter maybe |
| 10:03.33 | tadzik | (: |
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| 10:09.44 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, there's a careers email. . . . |
| 10:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: that came up weeks or months after I applied |
| 10:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | at a time where they must have finished prototypes already, so nothing left to do for me anymore |
| 10:12.08 | merlin1991 | hm didn't they initally say something like first phone fall 2012? |
| 10:12.19 | Timo | [11:11] <Timo> Does Sailfish have something like AEGIS? |
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| 10:12.29 | Timo | [11:11] <Aard> Timo: |
| 10:12.30 | Timo | no |
| 10:14.04 | GeneralAntilles | merlin1991, announcement was end of 2012 |
| 10:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 10:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I think they suck even if they now would consider hiring a hw-wizard like me |
| 10:16.47 | Skry | unimpressed Skry is unimpressed, but I did like the font they are using :) |
| 10:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus they obviously seem to follow same policy to throw drivers and middleware stuff over the wall 4 weeks after rolling out their hw |
| 10:18.00 | Hurrian | Skry, Helvetica Light? |
| 10:18.17 | Hurrian | The design reminds me a lot of Harmattan and Android ICS, though. |
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| 10:18.35 | Hurrian | Especially the image viewer - it's almost exactly like the N9's. |
| 10:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
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| 10:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 10:19.28 | Hurrian | So, when do we see the hardware in action? |
| 10:19.45 | vi____ | Hurrian: There is no hardware. |
| 10:19.47 | Hurrian | From the preview, it looks like they're using some kind of swipe-heavy UI |
| 10:21.20 | freemangordon | guys, don't know how it is abroad, bet we have a saying here - no way to make a new whorehouse with he old hookers ;) |
| 10:21.25 | freemangordon | *the |
| 10:21.32 | Skry | Hurrian: was it helvetica light? :o anyways it looked good, nicely hintend etc |
| 10:21.46 | Hurrian | Skry, I am pretty sure it's Helvetica Light. |
| 10:22.04 | Skry | freemangordon: so very true |
| 10:22.06 | Hurrian | The UI looks like it uses Helvetica everywhere |
| 10:22.21 | Hurrian | Oh, and the Sailfish logo looks like the Seagate logo for some reason. |
| 10:23.01 | vi____ | freemangordon: That is an excellent phrase. I shall use it in my next work metting. |
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| 10:23.59 | freemangordon | vi____: and sooo true :) |
| 10:24.21 | vi____ | freemangordon: Do you know if it is possible to use a chroot in scratchbox? |
| 10:24.52 | freemangordon | chroot in chroot? |
| 10:24.58 | vi____ | yeah. |
| 10:25.02 | vi____ | chrootception. |
| 10:25.21 | freemangordon | don;t see a reason why not, but you'd better ask someone else |
| 10:26.48 | tadzik | freemangordon: hehe, what country is that? (the whorehouse proverb) |
| 10:29.26 | vi____ | aaah. fakeroot chroot. |
| 10:29.44 | freemangordon | tadzik: well, the original is бардак, google transaltes it as whorehouse |
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| 10:30.52 | freemangordon | tadzik: Bulgaria is the country |
| 10:31.02 | tadzik | hm. I may recognize the word when I hear it, but the only thing I can read in cyrilic is 3EHNT |
| 10:31.16 | vi____ | THESE LETTERS MAKE NO SENSE. |
| 10:31.27 | freemangordon | ЗЕНИТ |
| 10:31.32 | freemangordon | :P |
| 10:31.41 | tadzik | yeah, this :) |
| 10:31.43 | tadzik | the camera |
| 10:31.46 | freemangordon | it is И not N |
| 10:31.48 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 10:31.49 | vi____ | eastern madspeak. |
| 10:31.50 | tadzik | I know |
| 10:31.59 | tadzik | И is not in my keyboard layout |
| 10:32.04 | tadzik | I have Ń and ń though ;) |
| 10:32.05 | deepy\SIGSEGV | copypasta |
| 10:32.24 | deepy\SIGSEGV | ´n |
| 10:32.28 | deepy\SIGSEGV | silly keyboard |
| 10:32.50 | tadzik | （´ー｀ ） |
| 10:33.07 | deepy\SIGSEGV | ._. |
| 10:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're trolling with Aegis, are you now? |
| 10:36.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | URL to a proper quote or I'll tag you as trolls |
| 10:36.59 | tadzik | there was nothing about aegis |
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| 10:39.03 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: Aegis accusation was a joke. |
| 10:39.40 | Pali | do you know if sailfish has aegis (or aegis like sw)? |
| 10:39.51 | tadzik | there was nothing about it in the news |
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| 10:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | there only been the scary term "productized OS" |
| 10:44.36 | tadzik | wtf. My N900 just rebooted |
| 10:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 10:44.46 | tadzik | maybe it's jealous of this jolla presentation |
| 10:45.05 | tadzik | what was the way to check the reason of the last shutdown? |
| 10:45.15 | vi____ | bootstate |
| 10:45.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/bootreason |
| 10:45.30 | merlin1991 | tadzik: maybe you shouldn't cat /dev/kmem all the time |
| 10:45.42 | tadzik | damn, caught in the act |
| 10:45.49 | tadzik | oh wtf |
| 10:46.03 | tadzik | it was plugged in all the time, and now it says "battery is dead" and powers down |
| 10:46.04 | vi____ | tadzik: bootloop? |
| 10:46.08 | tadzik | no |
| 10:46.14 | tadzik | it was charging overnight |
| 10:46.16 | tadzik | working this morning |
| 10:46.23 | tadzik | I didn't unplug it in the last 12 hours or so |
| 10:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 10:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure it was actually *charging*? |
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| 10:46.55 | tadzik | it said the battery's full |
| 10:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, fair enough |
| 10:47.05 | tadzik | even 5 minutes ago |
| 10:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | clean battery contacts |
| 10:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: though I think I got you wrong - it *said* "battery full" 5 minutes ago? |
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| 10:50.20 | tadzik | no, well |
| 10:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you plugged it in to a charger 5 min ago and it displayed that notice? |
| 10:50.24 | tadzik | it was displaying full battery |
| 10:50.32 | tadzik | it said "battery full" somewhere around midnight |
| 10:50.45 | tadzik | I didn't unplug it |
| 10:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: bme-replacement? |
| 10:52.43 | tadzik | no, I've got the stock thing |
| 10:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no better idea here than to repeat "clean battery contacts" |
| 10:53.29 | tadzik | yeah, did that, trying to boot it now |
| 10:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might as well encounter one of the rare sudden cell deaths |
| 10:55.17 | tadzik | bootreason says sw_rst |
| 10:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | where battery has a semi decent capacity, and correct voltage, but way too high impedance, so voltage drops way too low when high load applied |
| 10:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sw_rst is a but fuzzy |
| 10:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | bit* |
| 10:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | just means the sw decided to reboot |
| 10:56.26 | tadzik | yeah |
| 10:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so at least it wasn't wd or power button |
| 10:56.34 | tadzik | so it may have thought "oh, battery low" |
| 10:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 10:57.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you by any chance could run bq27200.sh? |
| 10:57.56 | tadzik | I can try |
| 10:58.03 | tadzik | (the device is charging now) |
| 10:58.48 | tadzik | where do I get that? |
| 10:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to run `bq27200.sh 60 >>~/MyDocs/bat.log` during the next days |
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| 10:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: you need i2ctools installed |
| 11:00.38 | tadzik | obtw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHn3qp_E3_A Sailfish on N950 |
| 11:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you could find bq27200.sh e.g. here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh |
| 11:07.53 | vi____ | tadzik: damn. |
| 11:08.15 | Hurrian | tadzik, tee hee hee. |
| 11:08.26 | tadzik | so it's running on mer. Like nemo |
| 11:08.30 | tadzik | so it may as well run on n900 |
| 11:08.38 | tadzik | (I hope :>) |
| 11:09.02 | Hurrian | tadzik: it will run on the N900, 3430 has support for all instruction sets on 3630. |
| 11:09.02 | freemangordon | with 256RAM? you must be kidding |
| 11:09.26 | Hurrian | freemangordon, he did say it would run, not how fast it would run ;) |
| 11:09.32 | Wizzup__ | compress ALL the ram |
| 11:09.34 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 11:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | but will n900 touchscreen support the HID- input paradigm of that OS? |
| 11:09.57 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, I don't see any two-finger support being essential |
| 11:10.19 | vi____ | Since when did xterm require touchscreen support? |
| 11:10.22 | Hurrian | so I guess it'd work fine. heck, even Harmattan would work well enough with one finger. |
| 11:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: hahaha |
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| 11:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | harmattan wouldn't work on N900, even without looking at any problems with zooming, simply because swipe fundamentally doesn't work on N900 screen |
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| 11:14.18 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: Nemo's SWIPE X extension would like to have a word with you |
| 11:14.36 | tadzik | nemo is ok on the n900, UI-wise |
| 11:15.38 | Hurrian | the reason my attempt at booting Harmattan on the N900 was because of 1) Aegis and 2) my balls dropped off when it started swapping on MTD5 |
| 11:15.50 | Wizzup__ | should check out nemo again |
| 11:16.03 | Wizzup__ | last time I tried it, it would not update anymore somehow |
| 11:16.26 | Hurrian | s/n on/n failed on/ |
| 11:16.53 | Hurrian | Wizzup__, is that when it corrupts the ext4 partition randomly? |
| 11:17.29 | Wizzup__ | I don't think so |
| 11:17.31 | vi____ | It was swapping on the rootfs NAND/ |
| 11:17.33 | vi____ | ? |
| 11:17.41 | Wizzup__ | I had it on an external sd card. |
| 11:17.43 | Hurrian | vi___, yup. |
| 11:18.27 | vi____ | Hurrian: Ouch. |
| 11:18.30 | Hurrian | you see, apparently Harmattan is set up so that when the system has < 1024 MB RAM, it skips setting up ramzswap and instead swaps on mtd5. |
| 11:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 11:18.53 | vi____ | Hurrian: wut? |
| 11:19.30 | Hurrian | vi____, yes. |
| 11:19.45 | Hurrian | the swap-enable script that runs on startup contains logic to do so. |
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| 11:30.50 | vi____ | In this code here: |
| 11:30.51 | vi____ | MySpiSend(~Intro_Display[7][i+(int)(timer_display*128/80)]); |
| 11:30.59 | vi____ | what is the '~' for? |
| 11:31.20 | Hurrian | Alright, testing removal of event.replace.d |
| 11:31.36 | vi____ | Hurrian: As per the thread by reinob? |
| 11:31.40 | Hurrian | mmhm |
| 11:32.04 | Hurrian | aaaand, I'm at hildon-desktop. |
| 11:32.25 | vi____ | ... |
| 11:32.37 | vi____ | much crunch *popcorn* crunch |
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| 11:32.41 | Hurrian | ls -l /etc/event.replace.d |
| 11:32.54 | Hurrian | ls: /etc/event.replace.d: No such file or directory. |
| 11:33.05 | Hurrian | So, time to mess with rcX.d? |
| 11:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you talking aboutß |
| 11:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 11:33.46 | Hurrian | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.50 | Hurrian | on Fremantle. |
| 11:34.00 | vi____ | is event.d replace for storing old event.d files for after de-installation of packages? |
| 11:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: iirc it's for some recovery scheme during boot |
| 11:35.29 | Hurrian | rcX.d removed, testing. |
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| 11:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you talking about? |
| 11:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I really don't get it what you're doing |
| 11:36.19 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: testing what isn't needed for Fremantle boot as per http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1296587#post1296587 |
| 11:36.30 | Hurrian | vi___: It boots! |
| 11:36.37 | vi____ | o0 |
| 11:36.47 | vi____ | That shit must be there for SOME reason. |
| 11:36.47 | Hurrian | Feel free to remove the aforementioned directories ;) |
| 11:36.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! |
| 11:37.03 | vi____ | Fully tested, out of beta and ready to go! |
| 11:37.08 | Hurrian | vi____, rcX.d is just full of symlinks to init.d |
| 11:37.31 | Hurrian | I'll take that as a "deprecated for sysv compatibility". |
| 11:38.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | chinese method of "development" |
| 11:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | get 100 monkeys and make them remove components. As soon as device stops working, revert last component removal and declare that the golden sample |
| 11:39.13 | vi____ | chinese_dev(){ |
| 11:39.28 | vi____ | beat me to it. |
| 11:39.44 | Skry | I thought they just copy everything they can and sell it as their own work? |
| 11:40.38 | vi____ | Skry: After using sub-standard materials and missing out as much testing, safety, certification as feasibly possible. |
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| 11:40.50 | Skry | ofc |
| 11:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why those devices don't have any ESD protection or other 'nice to have' parts anymore |
| 11:42.38 | Drathir | hi all... |
| 11:42.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | not needed for initial woks/doesn't tests |
| 11:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | works* |
| 11:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle booting doesn't mean it will also still support act_dead for example |
| 11:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or recover from a defect in desktop widgets that make H-D segfault |
| 11:44.14 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: lol nice sentence with monkey... hrhr |
| 11:44.55 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: or Li-ion chargers that are just 5v transformer with a zener over the output. |
| 11:45.17 | vi____ | They even have the silk screen on the PCB for the USB plug. |
| 11:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's actually not by chineses development, but rather korean original engineering |
| 11:46.53 | vi____ | freemangordon: what is the '~' in the line for? |
| 11:46.54 | vi____ | MySpiSend(~Intro_Display[7][i+(int)(timer_display*128/80)]); |
| 11:47.21 | jaska | code that makes.. eyes bleed |
| 11:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | they sometimes come up with rather nifty extremely simple designs, that use so many side effects that you wonder if they planned that or found out by mere incidence |
| 11:47.36 | freemangordon | vi____: what is that, C? |
| 11:47.43 | vi____ | freemangordon: Yes! |
| 11:47.50 | freemangordon | iirc bitwise not |
| 11:48.12 | vi____ | The same C firmware that has polling a keypad in the middle of a timer interrupt service routine. |
| 11:48.50 | freemangordon | vi____: ^^^ |
| 11:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: indeed |
| 11:49.20 | freemangordon | Skry: ping |
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| 11:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: you *really* wanna know what I think it does? |
| 11:50.55 | vi____ | Yes please. |
| 11:51.34 | vi____ | I know intro_display is an 7x128 array. |
| 11:51.54 | vi____ | It is supposed to be a loading bar. |
| 11:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | my guess: it sends data from a "framebuffer" array to a SPI attached display, doing the scanning (HSYNC) by itself. The SPI expects inverted data |
| 11:52.57 | freemangordon | guys, what was that SW for network vulnerability scan? it is even ported to n900 iirc |
| 11:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course the display expects real time display data via the SPI |
| 11:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | to directly drive the pixels |
| 11:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: some other possibility was some scrolling text in first or last line |
| 11:55.54 | vi____ | freemangordon: metasploit? |
| 11:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably of 80 chars length |
| 11:56.08 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: You are mostly correct. |
| 11:56.22 | vi____ | The problem is, this loading bar is full of junk. |
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| 11:56.49 | vi____ | Looking at the array that contains the data, I can confirm it is full of junk. |
| 11:56.58 | vi____ | But I do not understand why? |
| 11:57.05 | freemangordon | vi____: yeah, that one |
| 11:57.12 | vi____ | Why would somone fill that array with junk? |
| 11:57.23 | vi____ | freemangordon: There is a user on this channel called spoofy. |
| 11:57.26 | vi____ | spoofy: ping |
| 11:57.46 | vi____ | he is the current leading expert in ruuning metasploit on the n900. |
| 11:57.56 | freemangordon | vi____: well, i neede the name only |
| 11:58.00 | freemangordon | *needed |
| 11:58.04 | vi____ | ok |
| 11:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | something about hell and satan? |
| 11:58.56 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: wut? |
| 11:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, that's how my associative memory sometimes works ;-P |
| 12:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course there's also been metasploit and whatnot |
| 12:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, vi____ already mentioned that |
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| 13:40.27 | spoofy | vi____: thanks ;) I have a newest metasploit fully working with newest postgres (searching sploits etc.) and ruby1.9.2. |
| 13:40.51 | vi____ | spoofy: woot! |
| 13:41.00 | spoofy | It runs like a msf 3 |
| 13:41.06 | spoofy | Fully working |
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| 13:41.26 | spoofy | without glitches, freezes etc. |
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| 13:41.41 | vi____ | Any chance of uploading nmap 6 to the repos now? |
| 13:41.52 | spoofy | vi____: still not optified yet :D |
| 13:43.24 | spoofy | vi____: I can upload old version for you but |
| 13:43.42 | spoofy | You must wait for PPP release |
| 13:43.49 | vi____ | ok |
| 13:44.07 | spoofy | also I'd like to ask about tor... |
| 13:44.37 | spoofy | I compiled arm (tor monitor) and testing tor aplet |
| 13:44.58 | spoofy | but I notice that tor is outdated |
| 13:45.22 | vi____ | are going to update it? |
| 13:45.34 | spoofy | Yeah I'll try :) |
| 13:45.50 | vi____ | Do openssh while you are at it! XD |
| 13:45.56 | spoofy | .onion sites from n900 is a nice idea ;) |
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| 13:46.22 | spoofy | vi____: ok :D I can froward a ssh with screen session from my n900 :D |
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| 13:53.53 | Sysaxed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_c_BqnR_vAM |
| 13:54.02 | Sysaxed | looks worse than I expected... |
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| 14:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 14:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | n950? |
| 14:04.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | with harm-rev2 |
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| 14:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders why all '(p)reviews' always focus on what I'd call the window manager |
| 14:05.56 | Flyser | DocScrutinizer05: because thats the only thing that has been released? |
| 14:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like selling Linux-desktop/KDE by showing compiz |
| 14:07.44 | Flyser | well ... a more thorough UI demo will follow in an hour |
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| 14:13.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | show me source code of dialer, and I might be sold to it |
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| 14:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | show a working unpatched build of libreoffice |
| 14:15.04 | Flyser | :D |
| 14:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not that much interested in desktop design, I'm more interested if I could implement my own desktop |
| 14:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, on PC I have the choice between kde, gnome, lxde, an dozen others, and none of them is bearable without massive personalization |
| 14:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | on fremantle I at least have a desktop wher I can install widgets, and I can get apmefo for proper applauncher submenus to save my day |
| 14:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit those windows lovers have another approach. They usually not even change the wallpaper, and rather install OS new every 5 weeks - sth you can do if and only if you're actually not concerned about personalization. I always wondered how you could live that way |
| 14:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | (dialer) hell, my 12yo 6210 still has better *phone* experience than dialer of fremantle or harmattan |
| 14:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the only smart thing in fremantle dialer are the contact shorcuts on desktop |
| 14:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's not even a friggin silly fulltext search in contacts |
| 14:28.55 | jon_y | it doesn't take sql select statements? :) |
| 14:29.07 | jon_y | nor regex? |
| 14:30.11 | Sysaxed | come on.. search function is nice |
| 14:30.26 | Sysaxed | you just start typing.. and you're there |
| 14:30.31 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: hildon in my opinion is the best window manager/desktop environment on mobile phone. |
| 14:30.39 | Sysaxed | usually you would only need 2-3 characters |
| 14:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: fulltext? |
| 14:31.45 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, just the start of any word |
| 14:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I friggin don't see a way to search for my company contacts, since the criterion is 3 letters under "Company:" extended field |
| 14:32.33 | Sysaxed | wtf? |
| 14:32.40 | Sysaxed | put a space after : |
| 14:32.46 | Sysaxed | and then you can search for it |
| 14:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ??? |
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| 14:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | please elaborate |
| 14:33.16 | Timmy | i have installed latest image of nemo on my sdcard. when i try to boot into it from uboot by pali it shows the information of the kernel and then after a little while it turns off the phone |
| 14:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: well, that's just how they all sell their devices - "why would you want to change XY, you already got the top of the crop" |
| 14:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: I even have to add "Company:" field again, *each time* I create a new contact. How insane a lack of personalization is THAT? And then it seems I can't serach for those optional fields |
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| 14:37.13 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/Screenshot-20121121-163412.jpg |
| 14:37.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | to read / view more than 5 words in "Comment:" field you have to *edit* the contact :-( |
| 14:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: so WHAT? |
| 14:37.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's search for first or last name |
| 14:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT for "Company:" field content |
| 14:38.18 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, so if the name is John type in the Name: Company: John |
| 14:38.23 | Sysaxed | and forget about the last name field |
| 14:38.24 | Sysaxed | and others |
| 14:38.29 | Sysaxed | use the name field only :) |
| 14:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq you're kidding me |
| 14:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes much sense on syncing |
| 14:39.04 | Sysaxed | why would you need separate fields for name and last name... |
| 14:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 14:39.24 | Sysaxed | hmm |
| 14:39.29 | Sysaxed | syncing between what? |
| 14:39.29 | spoofy | uh.. at the end - it doesn't matter what kinda window manager I'll use.. I prefer simple/fast/smooth envoriments but what is INSIDE the os is more important. It can be arch with unity/gnome3 but it will be still arch ;) |
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| 14:40.15 | amospalla | DocScrutinizer05: do you have installed extended-contacts-search ? |
| 14:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: i'm not going to play that game with you "use XYZ, what Z sucks? drop it. Y sucks too? drop it" |
| 14:40.33 | amospalla | it helps |
| 14:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | amospalla: thanks, didn't know about it |
| 14:41.02 | Timmy | i have installed latest image of nemo on my sdcard. when i try to boot into it from uboot by pali it shows the information of the kernel and then after a little while it turns off the phone |
| 14:41.24 | Wizzup__ | (repeating the question doesn't help) |
| 14:41.32 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, well, fine.. but it seemed like a best solution for me.. |
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| 14:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | playing that game proper, 6210 is the best solution |
| 14:42.16 | Timmy | Wizzup__: better than nothin |
| 14:42.37 | Wizzup__ | You'll find it works in your disadvantage |
| 14:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't seen a question yet |
| 14:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | repeating statements actually won't work |
| 14:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 14:44.08 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 14:44.28 | Wizzup__ | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 14:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~question |
| 14:44.35 | infobot | it has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 14:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 14:44.41 | Wizzup__ | that works, too ;) |
| 14:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Timmy: to ansticipate your question: please /join nemo |
| 14:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's been the nemo channel? |
| 14:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 14:47.10 | Sysaxed | <DocScrutinizer05> repeating statements actually won't work - pahahahahhahaha :DD |
| 14:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRZxM9rNyZ4&feature=youtu.be |
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| 14:54.48 | Timmy | hey pali |
| 14:55.09 | Pali | hi |
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| 15:46.12 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/sailfish_os_sets_sail/ |
| 15:47.06 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: I friggin don't see a way to search for my company contacts, since the criterion is 3 letters under "Company:" extended field |
| 15:47.24 | vi____ | You are aware that if you leave a space you can enter terms for another field? |
| 15:47.45 | vi____ | If I have 20 contacts called john but only one called john smith I can type: |
| 15:47.53 | vi____ | joh sm |
| 15:48.11 | vi____ | If your company is LXP and you want contact jane doe: |
| 15:48.14 | vi____ | lxp ja do |
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| 15:54.31 | vi____ | fil: Did you do any further analysis on your SIP choppiness? |
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| 15:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: that's a pretty useful info, alas doesn't help on my problem, which I'm going to confirm in a minute |
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| 16:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: I have several contacts with optional contact detail field "Company:" added. If the content of that field is for example "STE" then searching for "ste" finds me "Stefan Mueller" and "Steakpoint" but none of the contacts with 'Company:' "STE" |
| 16:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your example with lxp doesn |
| 16:02.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 't work like supposed |
| 16:02.54 | fil | vi____: a little - I'm currently playing with freeswitch on another remote server, to try and ensure that it wasn't caused in part by the fact that the first server runs on Xen |
| 16:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it simply does NOT search any other fields than 'first name', 'last name', maybe 'nickname' |
| 16:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I meant by "no fulltext search" |
| 16:03.38 | fil | seems marginally better, but not enough for it not to just be random variation |
| 16:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | this pretty much renders the whole contact thing useless |
| 16:05.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | for any serious usecase beyond "I got 20 friends, what's their numbers" |
| 16:06.16 | fil | vi____: I guess I have to now try tweaking all the things I tried before to see if any of them make a difference when pointed at the new server |
| 16:07.24 | fil | vi____: oh, and in between I tried routing the calls via a VPN to see if it was something to do with my ADSL router being to clever wrt SIP -- to no effect |
| 16:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | fil: audio quality of SIP is largely unrelated to SIP "servers" (actually: registrars) |
| 16:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | since your RTP stream is directly to far end |
| 16:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | by the miracles of internet routing |
| 16:09.06 | fil | DocScrutinizer05: well, not in this case, since I record my calls on FreeSwitch, so the media is definitely going via the box |
| 16:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your far end is a landline number, then your SIP/RTP far end is a gateway provided by your SIP company |
| 16:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea what's FreeSwitch |
| 16:10.56 | fil | and also not in this case because my test case (which may not simulate real calls in any way, but ensures that I keep my friends) is to call the Freeswitch IVR and listen to it failing to expalin the menu to me |
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| 16:11.51 | fil | DocScrutinizer05: freeswitch is to asterisk, what postfix is to sendmail ;-) |
| 16:12.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 16:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't tell much to me about your actual routing or whatever |
| 16:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither about which 'far end' you used for your test calls |
| 16:13.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, compiz is pretty nifty |
| 16:13.42 | kerio | (re: showing off linux) |
| 16:13.54 | fil | it's a free software telephony server, and in this case I'm calling it up and having recorded voice snippets played at me by it, along the lines of "press 1 for foo, press 2 for bar..." |
| 16:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such thing like a 'telephony server' defined in SIP |
| 16:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, sorry. Got RL stuff pending |
| 16:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 16:19.16 | fil | DocScrutinizer05: while what you say about SIP not really knowing what sevice it's initiating might be true, that doesn't stop FreeSwitch being a big blob of software providing services (i.e. a server) including SIP & RTP (among many others) for the purpose of getting VoIP (and other stuff) to work |
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| 16:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, so you say FreeSwitch is a UaserAgent as well? |
| 16:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | UserAgent* |
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| 16:27.43 | Drathir | is anny possibility to restart video codecs without restart n900? |
| 16:28.06 | kerio | ? |
| 16:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I had to learn from Michel deBoer (author of twinkle, who now seems to contribute to IETF's SIP RFCs) that not even asterisk is a server but a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2BUA |
| 16:28.43 | fil | DocScrutinizer05: I guess so (if that's what it takes to do stuff like conference calls, where the mixing is happening at the server end rather than on one of the phones) |
| 16:29.00 | Drathir | i mean somtimes player cant open the files or say not supported format... but after restart phone is ok... |
| 16:29.24 | vi____ | Fucking SIP on the n900 sucks so much balls. WTF. |
| 16:29.37 | vi____ | Why cant I get a decent call? |
| 16:29.49 | vi____ | It is always this choppy bullshit. |
| 16:29.54 | Drathir | some kind of freeze of detect codecs or something like that.... |
| 16:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (mixing) sounds like a special gateway implementation with multiple RTP trunks |
| 16:30.33 | vi____ | Even limiting the device to iLBC still fucking sucks asses. |
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| 16:30.50 | vi____ | I barely works when You are on the same LAN. |
| 16:31.20 | vi____ | It is enough to make me want to throw my n900 in a toilet. |
| 16:31.22 | fil | DocScrutinizer05: although it's also capable of doing the SIP but not RTP thing, as you described |
| 16:31.31 | kerio | vi____: try it over PAN |
| 16:31.38 | kerio | try disabling the powersaving |
| 16:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | fil: that suggests it's doing several jobs at once |
| 16:32.05 | fil | yup |
| 16:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | for audio issues however it's always just the RTP farend that matters |
| 16:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the 'wire' that runs to far end |
| 16:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: SIP on same LAN is rather tricky, esp with 'public' registrar |
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| 16:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: RTP traffic has to get routed from your NAT to its own public IP, which many routers plainly refuse to do, others are performing really bad on that task |
| 16:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | with local (LAN based) SIP registrar however, it should work |
| 16:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | since far end's IP (192.168.33.144) is actually valid addr |
| 16:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. no NAT involved |
| 16:37.51 | Drathir | btw sip no connect to udp ? |
| 16:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTP is *always* from one IP _directly_ to another IP |
| 16:38.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sorry? |
| 16:39.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: SIP originally is defined as UDP traffic, though later extensions allow TCP traffic for SIP msgs as well |
| 16:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | not many SIP providers support that |
| 16:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | in N900 VoIP account setup you find that under "Transport" option |
| 16:42.41 | Drathir | vi____: you find info about list of avaible installed sip codec? |
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| 16:49.02 | Drathir | brb restart to video play fix |
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| 16:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: there's some "reset-dsp" or whatever iirc |
| 16:55.05 | fil | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, Freeswitch seems to be aiming to be the VoIP swiss-army knife -- I generally use it such that I'm always calling it (i.e. it's the RTP end-point from my point of view, even if it's then plumbing that into another RTP link to my SIP provider, say) |
| 16:56.30 | Drathir | ok im back... |
| 16:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | has some benefits |
| 16:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: there's some "reset-dsp" or whatever iirc. Can't find the name of that command |
| 16:56.57 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks i will looking for it... |
| 16:57.24 | Drathir | now i know where to look be eisier... |
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| 17:03.50 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: say that sudo /usr/libexec/dsp-recover |
| 17:04.26 | Drathir | but must freeze again to check if it works and tell here... |
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| 17:27.11 | bullet9mm | hi all! |
| 17:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sorry, I scanned all 1049 available commands, can't find the right one |
| 17:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually |
| 17:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Display all 1234 possibilities? (y or n) |
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| 17:33.46 | bullet9mm | hope I'm in the right place: I try to sync my contacts with google account, after read this post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136&page=157 and try lot of configuration/trick nothing warking at all...any idea? my libcurl3 version is 7.25.0-maemo7 and my dnsmasq.conf is clean (without google ip address force)... |
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| 17:39.22 | bullet9mm | no one can help me? |
| 17:42.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, gogle is not THAT popular, but you might find somebody who at least has successfully done that before. Just might take a while until answers show up |
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| 17:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe google changed his API and it doesn't work anymore. I dunno, I don't use google for storing my contacts |
| 17:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/his/their/ |
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| 18:34.06 | vi_ | so no jolla hardware today? |
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| 18:34.56 | kerio | vi_: who cares |
| 18:35.01 | kerio | it's not going to have a keyboard |
| 18:35.11 | vi_ | kerio: You are not interested even a little. |
| 18:35.14 | vi_ | I might! |
| 18:35.17 | vi_ | It might! |
| 18:35.20 | kerio | no |
| 18:35.26 | kerio | they talked about it |
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| 18:43.41 | RzR | shttp://rzr.online.fr/q/n950club# have you checked #JollaMobile's #SailFishOS demo on !n950club , want irc event for installing #NemoMobile ? |
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| 18:45.32 | vi_ | So there is no jolla with a hw kbd? |
| 18:45.39 | vi_ | THE FUCK. |
| 18:45.48 | tadzik | *sigh* |
| 18:45.53 | tadzik | there's no Jolla at all. So far |
| 18:46.00 | vi_ | tadzik: point |
| 18:46.34 | tadzik | start complaining when they deliver ;) |
| 18:47.12 | vi_ | they say they can port it to new hardware faster than netbsd. |
| 18:47.27 | vi_ | So it will be available on 101 crummy chinese qwerty phones right? |
| 18:47.34 | tadzik | no eye deer |
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| 18:54.20 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: 1234 commands inside n900? |
| 18:54.29 | m4g0g | hi |
| 18:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: obviously |
| 18:55.52 | m4g0g | i try to develop application which depends on library. ButI can't build release version for device via qt-creator and I have error:/home/magog/Programming/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/lib/libkqoauth.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
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| 18:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | m4g0g: quite probably related to ARM vs X86 bibary format (ELF format) |
| 18:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | m4g0g: file /home/magog/Programming/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/lib/libkqoauth.so |
| 18:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | binary* |
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| 19:01.29 | m4g0g | what way to develop is recommended? Using QtSQK or something else& |
| 19:01.30 | m4g0g | ? |
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| 19:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | m4g0g: the only SDK I know of to get frequently used is scratchbox |
| 19:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe madde, though I dunno if it actually works |
| 19:12.57 | m4g0g | in QtSQK thereis emulator |
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| 19:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 19:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ |
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| 19:15.58 | m4g0g | you want to say that this way is more true and better& |
| 19:15.59 | m4g0g | ? |
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| 19:26.58 | tadzik | fun idea: use the mechanism that OMP uses for displaying the entry field in Music view (slide finger from bottem edge) to open the status menu pop-up |
| 19:36.39 | vi_ | w00t! |
| 19:36.49 | kerio | tadzik: that's incredibly annoying actually |
| 19:36.52 | vi_ | I have managed to mount the frmantle rootfs in a chroot. |
| 19:36.56 | kerio | because sometimes i'm trying to scroll down and it appears |
| 19:37.10 | vi_ | In the state it is in pre firstboot. |
| 19:37.36 | vi_ | Pre auto optification. |
| 19:38.15 | kerio | big deal |
| 19:38.20 | vi_ | Now it is a simple case of adding paths to /etc/maemo-auto-optify.conf to define what gets copied and symlinked during first boot. |
| 19:38.38 | kerio | vi_: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:38.39 | vi_ | Well actually this is a big deal. |
| 19:38.48 | vi_ | kerio: roll a pr1.4 |
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| 19:39.03 | kerio | vi_: oh you mean to avoid having to flash VANILLA too |
| 19:39.04 | kerio | neat |
| 19:39.13 | vi_ | (pr1.3-crap)+cssu-s |
| 19:39.20 | kerio | i approve |
| 19:39.35 | vi_ | excellant, I may proceed. |
| 19:39.41 | kerio | to be fair VANILLA should be VANILLA |
| 19:40.05 | vi_ | kerio: that is why it will ship the stock kernel. |
| 19:40.39 | vi_ | things to optify: |
| 19:40.42 | kerio | vi_: wat |
| 19:40.46 | vi_ | ovi maps |
| 19:40.57 | vi_ | /usr/lib/locales |
| 19:41.30 | vi_ | those alone will free up ~29mb (uncompressed) |
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| 19:43.24 | kerio | vi_: can't you just uninstall ovi maps? |
| 19:44.13 | vi_ | kerio: People may still want it. |
| 19:44.29 | vi_ | should I remove the games? |
| 19:45.01 | tadzik | noooo |
| 19:45.16 | kerio | vi_: i say you make a serious image for serious people |
| 19:45.19 | kerio | so NO GAEMS |
| 19:45.24 | vi_ | maemoblocks, srsly? |
| 19:45.52 | vi_ | ok, I am ditching the games. |
| 19:46.20 | vi_ | Should I ditch startup-progress? |
| 19:46.26 | kerio | vi_: where are things autooptified, btw? |
| 19:46.40 | kerio | straight to /opt/$real_path ? |
| 19:46.53 | vi_ | kerio: more or less. |
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| 19:47.03 | vi_ | check /etc/maemo-* |
| 19:47.08 | vi_ | find the conf file. |
| 19:47.25 | vi_ | There is a simple list that gets churned through on the first boot. |
| 19:47.47 | kerio | the state of affairs of /opt is sad, really |
| 19:47.51 | kerio | shit all over the place |
| 19:48.17 | vi_ | yup |
| 19:48.22 | vi_ | But it is what we have. |
| 19:48.50 | vi_ | should I remove hildon-progress (5 dots)? |
| 19:49.10 | kerio | what the fuck, why is maemoblocks still here |
| 19:49.21 | kerio | ah fuck, those are not uninstalled by dpkg of course |
| 19:49.33 | vi_ | they are surely. |
| 19:49.38 | kerio | THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE IS WHY YOU DON'T RELY ON STUPID BOOT-TIME SCRIPTS |
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| 19:49.46 | vi_ | Or how else did they make this abomination fremantle? |
| 19:49.55 | kerio | ALSO LOTS OF ALLCAPS AND LOTS OF CURSING |
| 19:50.01 | vi_ | FUCKING SHIT. |
| 19:52.30 | vi_ | remove oss-rss-feed-reader? |
| 19:52.35 | kerio | yep |
| 19:52.42 | vi_ | 5 dots? |
| 19:52.44 | kerio | also wtf, hildon-welcome is in /opt for some reason |
| 19:52.50 | kerio | idk, i kinda like 5dots |
| 19:52.53 | vi_ | kerio: Why not. |
| 19:53.04 | vi_ | kerio: You can replace 5 dots with xeyes. |
| 19:53.09 | kerio | haha |
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| 19:54.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hildon-welcome is in opt |
| 19:54.34 | vi_ | install flash 10? |
| 19:54.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's no reason not to have all of /usr there D: |
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| 19:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you guys have fun |
| 19:57.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, i mean |
| 19:57.44 | kerio | the excuse that pulseaudio is in /usr and thus we need it early |
| 19:57.48 | kerio | is bunk |
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| 19:58.14 | kerio | vi_: what's the package for 5dots? |
| 19:58.31 | vi_ | apt-cache search hildon | grep progree |
| 19:58.36 | vi_ | apt-cache search hildon | grep progress |
| 19:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: then fix initscripts to load PA later |
| 19:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | CBA |
| 19:59.36 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not even convinced it's started that early |
| 19:59.51 | kerio | the problem is stuff like cal-tool |
| 19:59.58 | kerio | :c |
| 20:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not interested in what somebody is not convinced of |
| 20:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly don't get it what you're just doing |
| 20:00.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: flu still hasn't passed? |
| 20:01.07 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Rolling pr1.4 |
| 20:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | suuuure |
| 20:01.31 | vi_ | play the cynic all you like. |
| 20:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask infobot about pr1.4 |
| 20:01.38 | vi_ | ~pr1.4 |
| 20:01.38 | infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 20:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask infobot about pr1.5 |
| 20:01.50 | vi_ | ~pr1.6 |
| 20:01.50 | infobot | methinks pr1.6 is the future man! |
| 20:01.53 | kerio | ~pr1.5 |
| 20:01.53 | infobot | ACTION beats kerio with a Nostradamus papercopy 70.6 times. "That's your PR1.5!" |
| 20:02.01 | vi_ | ~pr1.7 |
| 20:02.13 | kerio | vi_: awesome, roll pr1.7 |
| 20:02.21 | vi_ | ~2d6 |
| 20:02.21 | infobot | You roll a 5 |
| 20:02.23 | vi_ | BAM |
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| 20:02.32 | vi_ | actually, that was a shit roll. |
| 20:02.53 | vi_ | ~2d6 |
| 20:02.53 | infobot | You roll a 6 |
| 20:03.04 | kerio | still below avg |
| 20:03.21 | kerio | i wonder... do packages install in /opt/usr/share/icons or do they install in /usr/share/icons? |
| 20:03.33 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I am attempting to create a cssu-s flashable image that does not contain junk like ovi-share-widget. |
| 20:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what for |
| 20:05.19 | kerio | vi_: ofc, remove cherry |
| 20:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all cssu-s is meant to be basically indistinguishable from maemo stock |
| 20:05.30 | vi_ | allready done. |
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| 20:07.19 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: You think it should be cssu-t? |
| 20:08.03 | sys232 | guys help to make my x-terminal work over proxy |
| 20:08.07 | kerio | vi_: what's the datepicker, btw? |
| 20:08.13 | kerio | still hildon-welcome? |
| 20:08.15 | sys232 | or over ssh tunnel |
| 20:08.19 | vi_ | hildon-startup-wizard |
| 20:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, result of sth based on >>[2012-11-21 20:54:35] <vi_> install flash 10?<< >>[2012-11-21 20:52:31] <vi_> remove oss-rss-feed-reader?<< >>[2012-11-21 20:52:42] <vi_> 5 dots?<< is rather questionable, and for sure we won't do the "helpdesk" support for users starting to whine about WTF it got them |
| 20:09.11 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Well fuck it, I will make it for myself for fun/ |
| 20:09.25 | vi_ | You are killing all fun. |
| 20:09.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: according to reinob's boot order, rcS-late (which mounts /opt) comes before pulseaudio |
| 20:10.16 | kerio | or maybe that's alphabetical order and upstart does what it wants |
| 20:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: install openssh |
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| 20:33.26 | vi_ | kerio: cssu-t or s? |
| 20:33.42 | kerio | vi_: yes |
| 20:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, Get:145 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free posix-locales 2.7.2-1maemo7-binonly0+0m5 [5106kB] |
| 20:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the name! |
| 20:42.19 | kerio | "free" |
| 20:42.21 | kerio | lol |
| 20:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | so freeeeeeeee |
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| 21:12.36 | kerio | vi_: install decoders-support and ogg-support if you can |
| 21:13.55 | kerio | vi_: (also backupmenu, ofc) |
| 21:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U SDK installer!! |
| 21:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | after ~3 h: |
| 21:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 21:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Exception: Failed to install Xephyr. |
| 21:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | V [22:13:18 21.11.2012]: ----- End logging exception ----- |
| 21:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | V [22:13:18 21.11.2012]: Executor set exit status to (status_error) |
| 21:15.57 | kerio | dat paste |
| 21:16.05 | kerio | clearly, it failed to install xephyr |
| 21:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Unbekannte Option '-y' |
| 21:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Automatic installation of package "in" failed. |
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| 21:20.32 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: what distro are you using? |
| 21:20.41 | vi_ | kerio: Yes! |
| 21:21.15 | kerio | i doubt you can install decoders/ogg cleanly, though |
| 21:21.20 | kerio | they reside in /opt, i hope |
| 21:21.29 | vi_ | kerio: Although I am not sure what will happen to stuff if it is in /opt pre firstboot optification. |
| 21:21.51 | kerio | it'll be deleted |
| 21:22.08 | kerio | firstboot deletes everything in $homefs/opt |
| 21:22.19 | vi_ | kerio: perfect. |
| 21:22.20 | kerio | or possibly deletes $homefs/opt and then does mkdir $homefs/opt |
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| 21:22.46 | kerio | stuff in $rootfs/opt just gets ignored i think |
| 21:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: opensuse |
| 21:23.04 | vi_ | kerio: I could manually install them in alternative directories and just add them to the auto optifiacation list. |
| 21:23.20 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry, I may not be of assistance then. |
| 21:23.24 | kerio | vi_: >:c |
| 21:24.10 | vi_ | or perhaps, this is really nuts though. |
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| 21:24.29 | vi_ | Include the debs and have them dpkg -i post auto optification. |
| 21:25.19 | kerio | ew :c |
| 21:25.39 | kerio | if you remove the silly maemo games, there's actually no need for autooptification, and the first boot will be quite fast |
| 21:25.48 | kerio | no, wait, icons are still there |
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| 21:25.56 | kerio | it's still going to be *less* though |
| 21:26.04 | vi_ | Instead of installing cssu-s/t, perhaps some browser shortcuts could be included? |
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| 21:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: 92 command = ['zypper', '-y', 'in', suse_pkg_name[package]] ##in maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py |
| 21:26.33 | vi_ | That way the user can select what they want after first boot. |
| 21:26.44 | kerio | vi_: meh |
| 21:27.19 | vi_ | kerio: The shortcut open up ham. |
| 21:27.41 | kerio | that's even worse! |
| 21:28.02 | kerio | and considering that you'll need internet, you might as well just go to the wiki page |
| 21:28.20 | vi_ | kerio: ? Remember the 'install cssu-s' icon on the wiki page that opens ham? That shortcut. |
| 21:28.28 | kerio | i know |
| 21:28.31 | vi_ | ok |
| 21:28.35 | kerio | that shortcut is also on the wiki page |
| 21:28.57 | vi_ | yes, but who wants to type in an address for the wiki like a chump? |
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| 21:30.05 | vi_ | anyway, I am going to bed. |
| 21:30.07 | vi_ | :Q |
| 21:30.10 | vi_ | :q |
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| 21:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I more and more lose the idea of what that all is meant for. Why not creating a proper flashable image of CSSU-T5 ? |
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| 22:02.12 | fil | BTW Just got FS sorted out on the other server, and with Speex it's noticably better, so perhaps running Freeswitch under Xen was enough for it tu upset the n900, but not enough to break all my other phones |
| 22:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | in- or outbound? (N900 side) |
| 22:03.13 | fil | will have to try transfering the real system over to the new server, and try it with real calls next |
| 22:04.27 | fil | well, I only get to hear the n900 end normally, and that's what breaks up -- people tell me that they can still hear me saying "I think I lost you again" :-) |
| 22:04.47 | Skry | hmm, flashable cssu-t image would be nice to have indeed |
| 22:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | fil: I'd think if it's Xen related, then it's ethernet related. A ping should already reveal stuff like jitter and/or too high RTT |
| 22:05.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a COMBINED image of CSSU might be weird to make, though |
| 22:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 22:06.06 | kerio | because COMBINED has everything on the rootfs |
| 22:06.11 | kerio | and optifies some things on firstboot |
| 22:06.21 | kerio | but that fucks dpkg up |
| 22:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then you have to de-optify first, prior to fiasco-gen |
| 22:06.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: dpkg won't like that |
| 22:06.49 | kerio | not one bit |
| 22:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 22:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's dpkg involved in all that? |
| 22:07.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: some things install themselves in /opt by default |
| 22:07.25 | kerio | i'm not sure if cssu has any of that |
| 22:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure not |
| 22:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it has, that's a bug |
| 22:07.49 | kerio | why? |
| 22:07.51 | kerio | :o |
| 22:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, we don't want new stuff included, just the replaced pkgs which will still be where they ever been |
| 22:08.56 | kerio | then the only possible issue would be the space |
| 22:09.08 | kerio | but removing the games will fix that, hopefully :) |
| 22:09.16 | kerio | at the very least fscking maemoblocks |
| 22:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, even *if* CSSU 'optifies' genuine Nokia stuff, we'll just have to redo that after flashing, on first boot |
| 22:10.24 | fil | DocScrutinizer05: well, to the bad sounding server I currently have RTTs between 34ms and 46ms -- the better sounding one is ... oh sod it, it's currently ~33ms and less variable -- I'll have to try it when it's busy again tomorrow and see how it is then |
| 22:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | after optification on first boot, everything looks like on a normal CSSU-T, and no dpkg involved until then |
| 22:10.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it should work |
| 22:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: but I don't think CSSU optified any core stuff |
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| 22:11.18 | kerio | there's going to be an issue if CSSU decides to ship *anything* that's in /opt, though |
| 22:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'd probably have to ship it on / with proper auto-optify setup |
| 22:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless it's optional and not included in fiasco that way |
| 22:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty simple: everything needed has to be on COMBINED aka rootfs. Everything else will be installed after flashing and firstboot |
| 22:14.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, maemo-optify-boottime.sh should really use dpkg diverts for single files |
| 22:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | if something needed shall go to /opt, we need auto-optify (and de-optify for fiasco-gen) |
| 22:14.33 | kerio | so that there won't be any issue when upgrading those packages |
| 22:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah *sigh*, a PITA, no matter what we do |
| 22:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd really feel like nuking all that optification shit and sanitize stuff with proper *ultra-early* mount of /usr |
| 22:16.21 | kerio | i'd like that, too :3 |
| 22:16.43 | kerio | but the maemo boot process is the product of a twisted mind |
| 22:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, driven by "duh, we need to entertain user by shaking-hands video when the device needs longer than 5s to boot" |
| 22:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | also by weird act-dead stuff etc |
| 22:18.05 | trumee | So was the sailfish ui interesting? |
| 22:18.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 22:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | HARM-rev2 |
| 22:18.44 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: thats a pity |
| 22:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically UI never are interesting, unless they tell me about how customizable they are |
| 22:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | which basically they didn't |
| 22:19.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nuking act-dead would be neat, too |
| 22:19.17 | trumee | Hopefully they will release a device with a keyboard |
| 22:20.23 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: atleast there is something to follow after n9 |
| 22:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't actually think so - despite they used N950 to demonstrate, they never used landscape orientation even less the N950 kbd |
| 22:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | all pretty much portrait only like HARM |
| 22:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | finger-touch only |
| 22:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | c-ts only |
| 22:21.32 | trumee | It will be big shame and I will skip it without a keyboard |
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| 22:22.40 | trumee | There is not much advantage compared with competition without a keyboard |
| 22:24.28 | trumee | wonders what happened to the Q/A list on tmo about sailfish |
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| 22:31.52 | Skry | yeah, my next phone/whatever will have a physical keyboard |
| 22:36.41 | trumee | Skry: wonder when jolla device will be released outside china |
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| 22:38.01 | Skry | short and simple answer: in 2013 :) |
| 22:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 2014 ;-P |
| 22:39.27 | Skry | yeah, after the chinese have ripped off the device so they have to release it elsewhere :) |
| 22:41.41 | Skry | seriously, I do hope they succeed in what they are doing, made me somewhat sad to see their offering is something I'm personally not that interested :\ |
| 22:42.12 | Skry | but that was expected |
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| 22:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still smell an interest conflict for business case in what Jolla plans to do. They're so pretty much focused on OS/SW that it seems to me they need to sell the SW to make money. You can't really sell FOSS SW. Selling HW OTOH seems not Jolla's main interest or even strong differentiation point, particularly if the OS/SW is as easy to port to other HW as they claim it was. |
| 22:44.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | So the only way they can create some ROI is by keeping Sailfish closed enough to 'dongle' it to HW which they can monetize |
| 22:44.32 | Skry | you may have a point there |
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| 22:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | which in turn is not exactly what I'd be interested in buying |
| 22:45.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course they *could* find a differentiation point in selling proper HW *WITH* *KBD* |
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| 22:46.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tailor sailfish to maximize benefit from that "unique" hw feature, as some sort of "dongling" |
| 22:46.54 | Skry | yeah, who knows. |
| 22:47.31 | Skry | I don't know, there is something fishy with the whole hardware scheme imo |
| 22:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | once they got a userbase that wants hw kbd, the OS might gain enough momentum to compete with established other OS, even on usual fingertouch-only devices |
| 22:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | once that momentum is there, they *might* try to monetize some "appstore" |
| 22:50.11 | Skry | probably, that seems to be the trend |
| 22:51.50 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05 : considering they use android apps, appstore may not be the issue |
| 22:52.29 | trumee | s/use/can use |
| 22:53.54 | trumee | Dont thing the device is going to sell very much in west without keyb. And in east they will have to make it very cheaps |
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| 22:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: 'issue' as in, 'that's not what they will be able to monetize' |
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| 23:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, indeed |
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| 23:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, unless they come up with a proper hw kbd, it's pretty hard to see why to buy a jolla device instead any random android phone |
| 23:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | from a end user perspective |
| 23:01.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | mass market, whatever |
| 23:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | some linux geeks that however don't want a kbd might be interested |
| 23:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that's about half of the users in this chan, at max ;-D |
| 23:03.31 | Skry | :) |
| 23:06.35 | Skry | if only had nokia decided to put a tiny bit bigger display to N900 I wouldnt even have to think about any future upgrade :S |
| 23:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 23:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | the hardore fraction of maemo fans criticized the screen size of N900 from beginning, asking for a formfactor like N810 at least |
| 23:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3 years back this was a nogo though for a phone. Nowadays it shows we only were ahead of our time |
| 23:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 23:10.05 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 23:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually don't think geeks have different needs than 'normal' users. They just don't take shit |
| 23:10.23 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05 : http://db.tt/cFQAjS9I |
| 23:11.27 | trumee | Decent battery life on android device, something like that on a proper linux device would be awesome |
| 23:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: hmm, i'd think my N900 would look quite similar |
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| 23:13.51 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05 : my n900 had very poor battery life on active usage. |
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| 23:18.47 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05 : is it best to deplete the battery or have it topped up for better battery life? |
| 23:19.14 | SpeedEvil | for battery longevity? |
| 23:19.30 | trumee | SpeedEvil: yes |
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| 23:20.21 | SpeedEvil | you'd probably want to hack the BME replacement thingy to terminate charge at'80% |
| 23:20.27 | SpeedEvil | or so |
| 23:20.51 | SpeedEvil | life goes'up notably when you do that |
| 23:21.26 | trumee | SpeedEvil: right that is about charging, how about discharging? |
| 23:22.03 | SpeedEvil | doesn't matter that much |
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| 23:22.21 | SpeedEvil | other than keep it on charger as much as you can. |
| 23:22.30 | SpeedEvil | in practice |
| 23:22.43 | SpeedEvil | buy a cheap battery every year |
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| 23:24.53 | trumee | I read somewhere that it is best to discharge until 10% before charging |
| 23:29.12 | ShadowJK | The batteries that have lost most capacity for me, have spent alot of time at 0-10% |
| 23:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep. that's actually what kills batteries most |
| 23:30.13 | RzR | and refill them slowly w/ a laptop usb , is it safe ? |
| 23:30.32 | ShadowJK | RzR, huh? |
| 23:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd reckon, discharging a battery to max 25%, it will live 3 times as long as if you'd discharge it to 5% every time |
| 23:31.00 | RzR | yes slow charge is said to preserve batteries |
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| 23:32.04 | ShadowJK | I'd recommend wallcharger and power-kernel/kernel-power or whatever the power user kernel is called |
| 23:32.48 | ShadowJK | Because with USB charging it stays full, which is also bad. With pk, and wallcharger, it stops charging when full, and then periodically tops it up. |
| 23:33.07 | RzR | ok makes sense |
| 23:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to say the bme and stock kernel/musb_hdrc, as nasty as it is with constantly keeping battery floating, hasn't ruined my battery as much as I thought it'd do, during last 3 years |
| 23:33.35 | RzR | all wallchargers are working the same ? |
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| 23:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | RzR: yes |
| 23:34.35 | RzR | thx for the tip |
| 23:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | charging is done by bq24150 chip (and bme), the wallcharger is basically just a powersupply |
| 23:35.35 | rZr | bedtime |
| 23:35.36 | rZr | bye |
| 23:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 23:37.02 | Skry | btw is the mugen battery worth the bucks? |
| 23:37.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | muses about a battery lifetime extender app: shut down device at 3.5V bat voltage, unless user hits the "activate sleeping reserve energy" button when bat-low alarm yells |
| 23:37.49 | Skry | I might be spending winter in the middle of nowhere with practically no electricity so.. |
| 23:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: no way |
| 23:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: mugen is basically nonsense. get some 4 spare batteries for less than what mugen costs |
| 23:38.48 | ShadowJK | has 12V 21Ah battery bank on his desk |
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| 23:39.13 | Skry | car battery it is then :D |
| 23:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: yeah, or that |
| 23:40.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a good (high efficiency, switching step-down converter) USB car carger, you'll get the most hours per buck out of car battery |
| 23:40.45 | ShadowJK | Yeah |
| 23:41.00 | ShadowJK | Small cellphone batteries are pretty expensive on a bucks per watthours basis |
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| 23:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4Wh / battery (~10bucks?) |
| 23:42.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | easily more |
| 23:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | bucks |
| 23:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | car battery: 400Wh for 50 bucks |
| 23:43.29 | Skry | I think I have decent usb car charger stashed somewhere, and car batteries are everywhere so that might be my best option |
| 23:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: decent charger := one that doesn't get warm |
| 23:44.22 | Skry | yep |
| 23:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course in a 'small' case, it's no magic to stay cool when case is like a 5¼" floppy alu |
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| 23:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually car chargers should be "decent", since small case is very common and they couldn't do that with crappy linear regulators |
| 23:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes mental note to test how good his monster universal power supply works. Has laptop power outlet, USB power outlet, mains, and a 12V power-in/out (chargers as well as powers the device, depending on mains available or not) |
| 23:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty cool device |
| 23:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | AC in: 100-240V; DC out 12V@10A; DC out 12/15/16/18/19/20/24V@3.75A; USB 5V@1A |
| 23:53.49 | Skry | nice one |
| 23:54.45 | Skry | meh, I should worry about how to stay warm, or alive for that matter, and here I am asking about batteries |
| 23:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually notice it's also a pretty nice simple UPS for 12V-24V electronics, when accompanied by a car battery |
