| 00:00.20 | Drathir | kfc > mcdonalds |
| 00:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | we even had a wendy's burger here for maybe 1 year, in the late eighties |
| 00:00.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, yeah, Wendy's. |
| 00:00.47 | GeneralAntilles | Forgot about them |
| 00:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | KFC isn't burger. |
| 00:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't had fast food in a while. |
| 00:01.23 | RST38h | KFC does burgers all right |
| 00:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG I'm trying to get such a friggin burger since 48+ hours now |
| 00:01.30 | RST38h | had to google though, never been to KFC |
| 00:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Uh |
| 00:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | No they don't. |
| 00:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | They do fried chicken |
| 00:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | and there's a barbecue sandwich thing |
| 00:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll probably end like that korean guy |
| 00:01.48 | Drathir | twister rulez... |
| 00:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | No burgers. |
| 00:01.59 | Drathir | not cheap but tasty.... |
| 00:02.02 | RST38h | Ah! Chicken burger! |
| 00:02.03 | RST38h | Just looks similarly |
| 00:02.56 | GeneralAntilles | I remember when I could eat Chick-fil-A. |
| 00:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | Those were the days. |
| 00:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | glares at that frozen 300g steak |
| 00:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | notices some icecrean next to it |
| 00:04.31 | RST38h | Doc: Grind, mix with paper, add glutamate and artificial coloring, etc |
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| 00:05.15 | Drathir | xclock also works throught ssh... |
| 00:05.28 | RST38h | why shouldn't it? |
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| 00:06.20 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i never eat thats big high steak which only see3in films... |
| 00:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | eats icecream, hopes for enough energy from it to head out and have a walk to next BurgerKing |
| 00:07.50 | Drathir | RST38h: i dont think thal nice lokks with ssh -X ... |
| 00:09.22 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: bet things with someone take 1l of icecreams switch on the tv and watching good film... |
| 00:09.30 | Drathir | best* |
| 00:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | only if you're not hungry |
| 00:11.31 | SpeedEvil | I cook burgers from frozen all the time. |
| 00:11.44 | SpeedEvil | works well, and gives time for the onions to brown |
| 00:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | burgers yes, 300g argentinian steak hardly |
| 00:14.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | bought this for BBQ, couldn't think of any sane way to prepare it indoors, with the tools available here |
| 00:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Frozen burgers work really well. |
| 00:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | I was advised that frozen fish fillets wrapped in aluminum foil cook to perfection in a George Foreman grill. |
| 00:15.52 | GeneralAntilles | I need to investigate this. |
| 00:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should investigate preparing steak in the microwave |
| 00:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | could use my lighter to "BBQ" it when done with cooking |
| 00:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:17.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to build a sous vide one of these days. |
| 00:18.36 | Drathir | GeneralAntilles: fresh fish put into allu foil with onion and other spices on grill with not much fire... |
| 00:19.09 | GeneralAntilles | Grill doesn't fit on my countertop and fresh fish doesn't last for months in the freezer. :P |
| 00:19.19 | Drathir | fresh - best fishing and catched by you... |
| 00:20.44 | Drathir | that make was really aromatic and soft... |
| 00:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, don't have time to catch fresh fish. |
| 00:21.15 | Drathir | but always the best is potato from fire place... |
| 00:21.18 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: chop it up, which is easy part frozen, and stir fry |
| 00:22.05 | Drathir | a lot of fan making them... and also little dirty works looks on hands but worth that... |
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| 00:22.42 | RST38h | Doc: Better construct a way to create plasma in themicrowave and prepare steak in plasma! |
| 00:23.26 | Drathir | SpeedEvil: is big difference betwen fresh prepared by you and from shop, sad but true... |
| 00:23.59 | SpeedEvil | yeah. mines better. |
| 00:26.12 | Drathir | im little hungry now... |
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| 00:41.59 | fil | ok, so how does one persuade the n900 that it's on the network (which it is) enough so that the dialer believes it and lets one dial via SIP |
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| 00:49.04 | fil | ah, sussed the dummy stuff |
| 00:54.10 | fil | how depressing -- seems much better over USB, which makes it look like the whole problem is wifi. Meanwhile, wifi is th only way that the VoIP would be properly useful :-/ |
| 00:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: good plan |
| 00:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: found a can of fish in tomato though, I guess it will taste even without bread |
| 00:57.21 | RST38h | Doc: Do check that it is not cat food |
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| 01:03.34 | internetishard | vi__: I heard you were doing something similar to my question earlier (which was) "Anyone in the community offering pre-customized images of maemo? Could be a good way to get back to a certain clean configuration." |
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| 02:34.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: ooh, you think there's a difference? |
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| 03:07.44 | Drathir | RST38h: you see how sometimes cat food can nice looks? |
| 03:11.33 | RST38h | Doc: Honestly, I do not know |
| 03:12.17 | RST38h | Some of the cat stuff does smell suspiciously delicious |
| 03:20.50 | Drathir | yes confirm... |
| 03:21.37 | Drathir | sometimes pets dont want eat thats specific food... |
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| 07:31.56 | freemangordon | Pali: congrats, bq.. and rx51_battery are haeding for 3.8 :) |
| 07:32.16 | Pali | hi |
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| 07:32.30 | Pali | now I'm back from Kraków and reading mails... |
| 07:32.44 | freemangordon | http://git.infradead.org/battery-2.6.git |
| 07:33.09 | Pali | I see :-) (I got mails) |
| 07:33.24 | freemangordon | :) |
| 07:33.35 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW who maintains that page? http://elinux.org/N900 |
| 07:34.12 | Pali | Some edits are my and some by Sre |
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| 07:34.47 | Pali | (Sebastian Reichel) |
| 07:34.59 | freemangordon | aah, ok. As I was wondering how is that possibel the page is updated even before the commits on the battery tree :D |
| 07:35.44 | freemangordon | BTW there IS SGX driver for 3.6 |
| 07:36.10 | freemangordon | well, fremantle one forward-ported |
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| 07:38.10 | Pali | both bq2415x and rx51_battery needs board data |
| 07:38.20 | freemangordon | Pali: yeah |
| 07:38.21 | Pali | I will write small patches for this |
| 07:39.11 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW did you follow alarmUI and tklock and EDS conversations? |
| 07:39.42 | Pali | I was not read anything after 16.11 |
| 07:40.00 | freemangordon | ok. In short (if you are curious): |
| 07:40.06 | Pali | I was in Krakow on CERC ACM ICPC |
| 07:40.31 | freemangordon | there were 3 memory leaks in alarmUI. so far :) |
| 07:40.46 | freemangordon | tklock leaks like mad on every swipe to unlock |
| 07:42.19 | Pali | ahh.... |
| 07:42.28 | freemangordon | every libedataserver.so client process uses a huuuge amount of heap (>2MB) |
| 07:42.51 | freemangordon | funny, ain't :D |
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| 07:44.30 | freemangordon | fortunately the last one is open source, and I hope luf knows WTF is going on |
| 07:44.55 | freemangordon | (though he is mia right now :I ) |
| 07:45.50 | freemangordon | Pali: "CERC ACM ICPC" ? |
| 07:47.15 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW bqxxx battery driver is missing board data too |
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| 07:48.54 | freemangordon | hmm, scratch that |
| 07:55.26 | Pali | Central Europe Regional Contest ACM - competition in programming (for students) |
| 07:57.00 | freemangordon | wow |
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| 07:58.27 | freemangordon | hehe http://git.infradead.org/battery-2.6.git/commit/6c47a3e00c6e4f3cdac7566c1480de34d9e32e07 |
| 07:58.53 | freemangordon | seems we are lucky having upstream maintainer owning n900 :D |
| 07:59.40 | freemangordon | Pali: please, submit my thumb2 patches :P |
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| 08:09.40 | Pali | freemangordon, try to send thumb2 patches yourself - you are author :-) |
| 08:10.52 | freemangordon | Pali: I know I am the author, I just can't put myself together to do that. And as you are riding the upstreaming wave... |
| 08:11.26 | freemangordon | Pali: it is not laziness, see ^^^ . Too much other useful stuff I can do |
| 08:11.44 | freemangordon | ^^^ is for the memory leaks and such |
| 08:12.37 | freemangordon | I'll waste too much time to figure out the correct channels, mails, procedure, tools, etc |
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| 08:13.06 | freemangordon | and you have all this already set up |
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| 08:29.08 | kerio | Pali: will you be able to add stuff to the bq* drivers and have them merged upstream? |
| 08:29.20 | kerio | having single-file flags would be neat :3 |
| 08:29.33 | freemangordon | kerio: what? |
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| 08:29.47 | freemangordon | bq drivers are in queue for 3.8 |
| 08:29.56 | kerio | freemangordon: /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/flags/VDQ for instance |
| 08:29.57 | freemangordon | read the backscroll |
| 08:30.10 | kerio | freemangordon: i am reading the backscroll |
| 08:30.14 | kerio | that's why i said *add* |
| 08:30.33 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 10:13.55 | vi_ | yo. |
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| 10:17.41 | MrPingu | Vi_: Howdy! |
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| 10:23.05 | vi_ | MrPingu: Hey man. |
| 10:23.47 | vi_ | MrPingu: What do you know about making ovi maps work? |
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| 10:24.31 | vi_ | let me tell you the puzzle. |
| 10:24.48 | vi_ | I have 1 n900 that I am using to create the ultimate reflash image. |
| 10:25.03 | vi_ | That is ALL the shite stripped out and some very basic essentials loaded in. |
| 10:25.24 | MrPingu | Seeems nice ;) |
| 10:25.45 | MrPingu | I don't know anything about ovi maps, sorry |
| 10:25.50 | vi_ | I have almost finished. |
| 10:26.13 | vi_ | So I have attempted to clone the stripped n900 to another n900. |
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| 10:26.30 | MrPingu | But? Ovi maps doesn't work? |
| 10:26.46 | vi_ | And to all purposes it looks like it has worked. One device is the absolute clone of the other. |
| 10:27.27 | vi_ | ovi maps does work on the device, however when I connect to nokia suite it says the clone device does not have maps installed! |
| 10:27.33 | vi_ | I just do not get it. |
| 10:27.37 | vi_ | How can that happen? |
| 10:27.38 | MrPingu | For one thing I know, ovi maps is NOT optified sits totally in rootfs so |
| 10:27.44 | vi_ | One device is IDENTICAL to the other. |
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| 10:28.13 | MrPingu | Tried reinstall the maps package? |
| 10:28.20 | vi_ | Not yet. |
| 10:28.44 | vi_ | I am not sure which packages I need to purge&binge. |
| 10:28.54 | MrPingu | Let me see :P |
| 10:29.01 | vi_ | MrPingu: how Do you make conversations rotate? |
| 10:29.29 | vi_ | MrPingu: I found your account on symbianfreak. |
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| 10:29.44 | vi_ | I know I knew your name from somewhere! |
| 10:30.01 | vi_ | The legendary pingu. |
| 10:30.21 | MrPingu | Adding it to the whitelist in transitions ini, ditch the whole blacklist concept |
| 10:31.11 | MrPingu | vi_: should I know you too? Or were you a silent freak? :P |
| 10:31.24 | vi_ | I came too late. |
| 10:31.39 | vi_ | The whole forum was winding down before I got started. |
| 10:31.54 | vi_ | Also I did not like the some of the culture of the place. |
| 10:32.02 | MrPingu | All moved to dailymobile |
| 10:32.13 | MrPingu | It's a bit personal there ;) |
| 10:32.36 | MrPingu | Most of the people I have on FB too |
| 10:32.40 | MrPingu | anyway |
| 10:32.49 | vi_ | The only thing I contributed was modifying a user agent-switcher program that someone wrote to be 'iphone' instead n97. |
| 10:32.58 | MrPingu | whitelist = rtcom-messaging-ui |
| 10:33.20 | MrPingu | voila, conversations rotate. Need to have a modified css file though |
| 10:33.29 | vi_ | MrPingu: Do I have to modify my conversation theme? |
| 10:33.34 | vi_ | There we go! |
| 10:33.44 | MrPingu | vi_: yes |
| 10:34.29 | MrPingu | Let me find the default theme + fixed portrait |
| 10:35.33 | MrPingu | vi_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=995119 |
| 10:36.03 | MrPingu | use the display-outside, it looks like default + portrait |
| 10:36.42 | vi_ | but I like the small compact themes. |
| 10:36.50 | vi_ | No avatar. |
| 10:36.54 | vi_ | small text. |
| 10:37.00 | vi_ | no wasted space. |
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| 10:37.50 | MrPingu | http://wiki.maemo.org/Conversation_Mods |
| 10:38.08 | MrPingu | Hope there's a good mod for you that has portrait support |
| 10:38.49 | MrPingu | vi_: what do you know bout left over files after purging testserver? |
| 10:39.25 | vi_ | MrPingu: There is some files left in event.d |
| 10:39.27 | vi_ | 1 file. |
| 10:39.41 | vi_ | and 1 in /etc/init.d |
| 10:40.17 | vi_ | You are building the crap cleaner script. |
| 10:40.28 | vi_ | You are doing god's work son. |
| 10:41.55 | MrPingu | vi_: but's fucking dangerous I mean the N900 is my only device :P So I am looking forward to your updated rootfs :P |
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| 10:47.03 | vi_ | MrPingu: heh. |
| 10:47.22 | vi_ | MrPingu: It is not so easy. |
| 10:47.38 | MrPingu | :( |
| 10:48.00 | vi_ | fiasco-gen layout file for emmc is completely undocumented so I am unable to generate an emmc image. |
| 10:48.22 | vi_ | Which is a complete ballbreaker. |
| 10:48.27 | vi_ | However there is hope. |
| 10:48.54 | vi_ | There is ~40m-50b free in the root partition. |
| 10:49.29 | vi_ | All I have to do is hijack the 'first boot&optify' script that gets run at first boot after a reflash. |
| 10:49.59 | vi_ | That way I can sneak in a bunch of stuff to the rootfs and have it copied to the mmc at boot time. |
| 10:50.21 | MrPingu | Regarding that optify-runonce, can it be purged after first boot? |
| 10:50.41 | vi_ | MrPingu: I guess so. |
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| 10:50.59 | vi_ | However if I were you I would be a little more cautious. |
| 10:51.17 | vi_ | You do not want to hose your n900! |
| 10:52.15 | MrPingu | I don't purge anything, I am only adding it to my scrap-paper for investigation |
| 10:52.22 | vi_ | where is optify-runonce kept again? |
| 10:53.05 | MrPingu | /usr/sbin/ |
| 10:56.01 | MrPingu | I guess it can't be purged, at the first glance it seems looking at the files it auto-optify not only after first boot |
| 10:57.34 | vi_ | I do not seem to have an optify-runonce in /sbin. |
| 10:57.36 | vi_ | W |
| 10:57.37 | vi_ | T |
| 10:57.37 | vi_ | F |
| 10:58.17 | MrPingu | its a bunch of scripts: /usr/sbin/maemo-optify-* |
| 10:58.55 | vi_ | MrPingu: and I do not have them. |
| 10:58.57 | vi_ | mmm |
| 10:59.03 | vi_ | I must start from a fresh flash! |
| 11:00.06 | MrPingu | Didn't you purge it already? |
| 11:00.32 | vi_ | I am looking on my 'normal' n900. |
| 11:00.42 | vi_ | It desperatley needs a reflash. |
| 11:00.56 | vi_ | I cannot remember what I have hacked/bodged in the last year. |
| 11:01.33 | vi_ | That is the stimulus for creating a replacement flashable root image. |
| 11:02.07 | vi_ | The question is, what crap can I add to this replacement fiasco image? |
| 11:02.27 | vi_ | obviously strip out most of the stuff as mentioned in your script. |
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| 11:02.46 | MrPingu | Good xbindkeys, proper keymap |
| 11:02.53 | vi_ | but would it be desirable to add flash10 and 720p HD codecs for example? |
| 11:03.03 | MrPingu | For me, defenitely |
| 11:03.06 | vi_ | Busybox power? |
| 11:03.32 | MrPingu | bb-power, flash10, 720p, shipped with kp50 or even newer |
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| 11:03.48 | vi_ | that is easy enough, what else? |
| 11:03.57 | MrPingu | Let me think |
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| 11:04.11 | vi_ | A script to wipe the emmc. |
| 11:04.32 | ShadowJK | the uber-usd arrived |
| 11:04.36 | MrPingu | You're russian roulette script, one of the six boots fail? |
| 11:04.41 | vi_ | So it is like flashing emmc but without adding 200MB of videos+mp3 junk. |
| 11:04.48 | ShadowJK | wont have time to properly benchmark before work :( |
| 11:04.49 | vi_ | ShadowJK: How big? |
| 11:04.55 | ShadowJK | 16gig |
| 11:05.04 | vi_ | ...do not say ~5mm |
| 11:05.15 | vi_ | 16GB? |
| 11:05.26 | vi_ | THat is not so big by todays standards! |
| 11:05.45 | ShadowJK | but uber because it promised 150 write iops (compared to 2-4 of other cards) |
| 11:05.59 | vi_ | ShadowJK: Super fast write speeds? |
| 11:06.10 | ShadowJK | super fast random read/write |
| 11:06.16 | vi_ | ShadowJK: Who advertises such features on their cards? |
| 11:06.40 | vi_ | ShadowJK: LINK PLOX. |
| 11:06.43 | ShadowJK | well, 45M sequential read and 40M sequential write too, but I don't give a shit about sequential |
| 11:06.54 | vi_ | ShadowJK: HOLY SHIT. |
| 11:06.56 | MrPingu | shortcutd? Getting too personal? |
| 11:07.08 | vi_ | MrPingu: yes, I think so. |
| 11:07.20 | MrPingu | Oh vi_ remember your xbindkeys depends on some lib |
| 11:07.22 | ShadowJK | http://www.adata-group.com/index.php?action=product_feature&cid=7&piid=178 |
| 11:07.31 | vi_ | MrPingu: Although I cannot live without it, I would not force it on another person. |
| 11:07.38 | ShadowJK | http://www.adata-group.com/upload/ProductFeature/productImage3281.jpg |
| 11:08.10 | MrPingu | I have got a real nice keymap, derived from you |
| 11:08.14 | ShadowJK | ive yet to test whether uhs-i cards work with sdhc deviced at all tho lol |
| 11:08.30 | vi_ | random write speeds are significantly improved by 99% |
| 11:08.41 | MrPingu | but "more" default |
| 11:08.52 | vi_ | ^holy shit. |
| 11:09.12 | vi_ | So random write speed increased by 100% will make it ~8kB/S write? |
| 11:09.21 | vi_ | MrPingu: How do you mean? |
| 11:10.37 | ShadowJK | if it holds what it promises, random write should come in at about 400-600 kbyte/s |
| 11:10.38 | vi_ | ShadowJK: wow, you even get a free 60-day trial of norton internet security! |
| 11:10.47 | vi_ | ShadowJK: That is insane. |
| 11:11.04 | vi_ | finally usd card makers are getting their shit together. |
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| 11:12.27 | vi_ | ShadowJK: so uh...how much monies and do they come in 32GB? |
| 11:13.23 | MrPingu | Vi_: still there, ? still on fn + . |
| 11:13.54 | MrPingu | plus added `´ on fourth level F + G |
| 11:14.21 | vi_ | Are those danish characters? |
| 11:14.32 | MrPingu | no, french + dutch |
| 11:14.39 | vi_ | ShadowJK: I am EXTREMELY interested in your results. |
| 11:14.51 | vi_ | ShadowJK: when will you have done your testing? |
| 11:15.06 | ShadowJK | Yeah they come in 32G, about 80E for that, iirc |
| 11:15.08 | MrPingu | vi_: and fourth level . = ¨ |
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| 11:15.20 | MrPingu | used in german |
| 11:15.21 | ShadowJK | vi_, I started random write test now, so first glimpse in 5 minutes |
| 11:15.27 | ShadowJK | goes change clothes before work in the meanwhile |
| 11:16.20 | MrPingu | All the characters are mentioned are dead |
| 11:16.26 | ShadowJK | 51 ops/sec, 4K random write |
| 11:16.38 | MrPingu | s/are/I |
| 11:16.40 | ShadowJK | (12-25X improvement over fastest cards I've benched so far) |
| 11:16.43 | vi_ | ShadowJK: forget work, you have more important issues to settle! |
| 11:16.58 | vi_ | from an oinline review: |
| 11:17.00 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.56 | vi_ | MrPingu: My irc client does not display utf8 characters properly so I cannot see what you are typing. |
| 11:18.14 | vi_ | Aah. That is too specific. |
| 11:18.18 | vi_ | English only! |
| 11:18.53 | vi_ | But there again, the RX-51 file DOES contain a DE specific layout. |
| 11:19.06 | vi_ | Perhaps it should be modified. |
| 11:19.56 | MrPingu | vi_: true, but the english keyboard = dutch keyboard |
| 11:20.23 | MrPingu | and these sign are used in dutch too, not often but they are |
| 11:20.47 | ShadowJK | 16k: 24 (.38M/s), 32k: 24 (.78M/s), 64k: 11 (.75M/s), 128k: 6(.81M/s) |
| 11:20.48 | kolp | MrPingu: š is not used in German :) |
| 11:21.24 | freemangordon__ | ShadowJK: I'll wait for sandisk to answer ;) |
| 11:21.29 | MrPingu | kolp: but ¨ + letter so ë ü ö |
| 11:21.31 | freemangordon__ | adata is crap |
| 11:21.55 | vi_ | ShadowJK: But can an n900 make use of the uhs-i features? |
| 11:22.20 | freemangordon__ | vi_: what features exactly? proprietary fs? |
| 11:22.43 | vi_ | freemangordon__: The 'magic' what makes it go fast. |
| 11:22.48 | vi_ | I dunno. |
| 11:23.07 | freemangordon__ | vi_: the "magic" is in the card itself AFAIK |
| 11:23.18 | vi_ | The litrature suggests it has some kind of 'backwards' compatability. |
| 11:23.39 | vi_ | That implies you need special moder hardware to make it work fully. |
| 11:23.58 | freemangordon__ | and i really doubt a card can saturate host controller io on n900 anytime soon |
| 11:24.04 | ShadowJK | iirc UHS-I specifies new bus mode |
| 11:24.21 | vi_ | I know nothing about uhs-i cards. I only just doscovered them about 20 minutes ago. |
| 11:24.35 | freemangordon__ | ShadowJK: sure. But anyway we don;t really care about sequental access |
| 11:24.40 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 11:25.21 | ShadowJK | "UHS-I cards, specified in SD Version 3.01, support a clock frequency of 100 MHz (a quadrupling of the original "Default Speed"), which in four-bit transfer mode could transfer 50 MB/s." |
| 11:26.11 | vi_ | Isn't there something about the n900 usd slot running at only half speed? |
| 11:26.12 | freemangordon__ | hmm, I think host controller on n900 is clocked at 80Mhz |
| 11:26.23 | vi_ | Because nokia were to pussy to crank it to the max? |
| 11:26.32 | freemangordon__ | but might be wrong, need to check in the sources |
| 11:26.34 | vi_ | Or am I thinking of something else? |
| 11:26.55 | freemangordon__ | vi_: iirc this was on n8x0 iirc |
| 11:27.02 | vi_ | freemangordon__: oh well. |
| 11:27.05 | ShadowJK | You're thinking of N800/N810 maybe, the TI controller isn't specced to run at max |
| 11:27.16 | ShadowJK | was actually thinking about putting this card in his N800 |
| 11:27.26 | freemangordon__ | iirc it runs full speed on n900 |
| 11:27.32 | vi_ | ok |
| 11:27.57 | freemangordon__ | but whether it was 50MHz or 80MHz i just can't remember |
| 11:28.44 | freemangordon__ | but even @50MHz, the max theoretical throughput is 20 MB/s |
| 11:28.45 | freemangordon__ | which I am pretty ok with :D |
| 11:29.50 | ShadowJK | testing sequential write now |
| 11:30.10 | freemangordon__ | ShadowJK: do you test it in n900? |
| 11:30.11 | ShadowJK | the card itself advertises a preferred erase size of 4 Megs |
| 11:30.16 | ShadowJK | No I'm testing it in sheevaplug |
| 11:30.21 | freemangordon__ | aah,ok |
| 11:30.37 | freemangordon__ | it will be ineresting to check how it will behave in n900 |
| 11:30.46 | vi_ | freemangordon__: did you ever finish your defragging ramzswap? |
| 11:30.47 | ShadowJK | wonders if the binary compiled on sheevaplug would work on N900 |
| 11:31.10 | freemangordon__ | ShadowJK: connected via USB should be ok afaik |
| 11:32.10 | freemangordon__ | vi_: I am fighting memory leaks, no matter how good your swap algo is, it will became ineffective at some point if your system leaks memory like a botomless basket |
| 11:32.15 | ShadowJK | at 64k block size sequential write, I'm already getting 11.7 Mbyte/s |
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| 11:32.40 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, not if you have 2G swap :))) |
| 11:32.47 | freemangordon__ | hehe |
| 11:32.56 | freemangordon__ | and 4G of RAM :P |
| 11:33.31 | ShadowJK | I'm actually at 256M swap used on my N800 now |
| 11:33.37 | ShadowJK | a little bit sluggish, since it doesn't have nokia swap algo |
| 11:33.45 | ShadowJK | which is why I think I'll put card in that |
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| 11:33.57 | ShadowJK | ah, have to run |
| 11:34.08 | ShadowJK | will log into sheevaplug from work later nad check sequential write speeds |
| 11:34.21 | freemangordon__ | vi_: Most probably I will finish that someday. But have in mind my queue - mem leaks, kernel in cssu, 720p stuff, etc. |
| 11:35.11 | freemangordon__ | vi_: or better said - I will winish it, but it will take time |
| 11:35.14 | freemangordon__ | *finish |
| 11:35.29 | vi_ | freemangordon__: you will *finnish* it. |
| 11:35.32 | vi_ | Like nokia. |
| 11:35.36 | vi_ | is finnish. |
| 11:35.42 | vi_ | aaah. |
| 11:36.22 | freemangordon__ | hehe |
| 11:36.37 | vi_ | If I rolled a 'community' firmware that contained 720p codecs and flash10, whould I be allowed to talk about it on tmo or would that count as advertising warez? |
| 11:36.39 | MrPingu | back, had to run to get my train xD |
| 11:37.04 | vi_ | chem|st: If I rolled a 'community' firmware that contained 720p codecs and flash10, whould I be allowed to talk about it on tmo or would that count as advertising warez? |
| 11:37.04 | SpeedEvil | vi_: I suspect nobody on earth would care |
| 11:37.20 | freemangordon__ | vi_: I don;t see a reason why not talk about it |
| 11:37.32 | SpeedEvil | vi_: I mean other than those wanting to install |
| 11:37.40 | vi_ | So linkinking to distributing nokia binarys is not considered bad? |
| 11:37.58 | MrPingu | Refer to qgil, statement |
| 11:38.26 | MrPingu | We were allowd to distribute anything if it would aid the communiy, right? |
| 11:38.40 | vi_ | MrPingu: like sygic mobile maps? |
| 11:38.47 | SpeedEvil | flash isn't part of that, I suspect |
| 11:38.56 | SpeedEvil | vi_: angry birds! |
| 11:39.28 | MrPingu | vi_: sygic is not nokia, so that would be applicable to qgil statement |
| 11:39.40 | MrPingu | would NOT |
| 11:40.02 | qwazix__ | I suppose qgil statement applies to binaries (nokia/non nokia) already freely distributed by nokia |
| 11:40.38 | vi_ | MrPingu: cssu-s+flash 10+720p codecs+some vm tweaks (done the right way, not swappolube)+power kernel+fapman+rootsh-all preinstalled crap. |
| 11:40.45 | qwazix__ | And I'm not sure it continues to apply if nokia stops distributing them |
| 11:41.25 | MrPingu | vi_: fapman you sure? |
| 11:41.44 | vi_ | yeah, too personal. |
| 11:42.19 | vi_ | also +script to wipe mmc just like emmc flash. |
| 11:43.00 | MrPingu | vi_: That script must explicitly be called by user |
| 11:43.02 | tadzik | what's bad about swappolube? |
| 11:43.35 | vi_ | MrPingu: Then you would have /opt full of junk! |
| 11:43.36 | MrPingu | I don't want to my EMMC be wiped when I flash combined ;& |
| 11:43.53 | vi_ | MrPingu: It can leave myDocs |
| 11:44.35 | Hurrian | tadzik: the defaults iirc are outdated |
| 11:44.41 | MrPingu | Vi_: that seems good |
| 11:45.23 | MrPingu | Vi_: Add Docs root on password with some default passwd, that can be altered later |
| 11:45.45 | MrPingu | g2g, |
| 11:45.50 | vi_ | bb |
| 11:46.30 | SpeedEvil | VM tweaks for contiguous swap writing would be awesome. |
| 11:47.25 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: I mean simple stuff like dirty backround, etc & nr_requests. |
| 11:47.39 | chem|st | vi_: you are not allowed to distribute nokia binaries afaik so "yes that is warez" |
| 11:47.57 | vi_ | chem|st: Thankyou for the clarification. |
| 11:47.58 | freemangordon__ | SpeedEvil: nokia algo works pretty well, I suspect memory leaks are the reason for such a bad swap fragmentation |
| 11:48.16 | freemangordon__ | chem|st: those are not Nokia's :P |
| 11:50.09 | freemangordon__ | vi_: preinstalling fapman does not sound like a good idea to me |
| 11:50.18 | vi_ | freemangordon__: Yeah. |
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| 11:51.01 | vi_ | freemangordon__: Ah, it is just an idea. |
| 11:51.06 | MrPingu | Luck, next train had wifi too :) |
| 11:51.13 | vi_ | MrPingu: heh. |
| 11:51.24 | freemangordon__ | MrPingu: you have wifi in trains? |
| 11:51.33 | vi_ | freemangordon__: Not being able to put it on TMO would somewhat undermine the point of it as well. |
| 11:52.04 | MrPingu | freemangordon__: Yes, most of them |
| 11:52.31 | ShadowJK | getting about 12M/s write seq |
| 11:52.33 | freemangordon__ | vi_: well, I don;t think you can host it on TMO, if not for legal, then for size reasons |
| 11:52.49 | vi_ | freemangordon__: Not host, talk. |
| 11:52.56 | freemangordon__ | aah |
| 11:53.11 | vi_ | But if the link is to something that is deemed questionable then it is a no go. |
| 11:53.25 | freemangordon__ | ShadowJK: toldya, adata si crap |
| 11:53.27 | freemangordon__ | *is |
| 11:53.36 | vi_ | I do not want to taste the wrath of chem|st mighty ban hammer! |
| 11:53.44 | freemangordon__ | :D:D:D |
| 11:53.44 | ShadowJK | fastest card I've ever tested :) |
| 11:53.57 | ShadowJK | had another a-data card oncea. it died in a month |
| 11:54.05 | ShadowJK | so yeah I know adata |
| 11:55.02 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I have a really old 1g kingsaton in mine that gets the same sequentiaomwrite |
| 11:55.11 | SpeedEvil | well, 11.5m IIRC |
| 11:55.19 | freemangordon__ | ShadowJK: 12MB/s is just slightly over 10MB/s a cheap class 10 adata does. I own one of those, so I know what I am talking about. |
| 11:55.37 | freemangordon__ | 8 G class 10 |
| 11:55.38 | vi_ | class 10 is a massive bullshit. |
| 11:55.48 | vi_ | It is just more bigger numbers==better. |
| 11:55.56 | freemangordon__ | but it gives i/o timeout errors avary now and then |
| 11:56.04 | freemangordon__ | *every |
| 11:57.43 | freemangordon__ | I wonder what is the random io of sandisk uhs 64G cards, I am thinking to buy one if it makes sense |
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| 12:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: talking about that stuff would not cause a ban, I'm sure |
| 12:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: it's N900 related so the larger definition doesn't fit. Yet you shouldn't even ask ;-) |
| 12:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: applying common sense is always a good rule |
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| 12:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | common sense says there's nothing terribly fishy in talking about a fiasco.bin |
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| 12:54.53 | Pali | maybe I should release some beta version of new 0xFFFF :-) |
| 12:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: so you found some more info about fiasco-gen? |
| 13:00.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I think I understand full fiasco format, I also updated fiasco documentation |
| 13:00.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: that's fine, but we don't know how to operate fiasco-gen |
| 13:01.10 | Pali | 0xFFFF has implemeted both unpacking & generating |
| 13:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH |
| 13:01.23 | Pali | so 0xFFFF can be used instead fiasco-gen |
| 13:02.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: that's extremely nice news |
| 13:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: ^^^ how about MWKN? worth a note I think |
| 13:04.59 | Pali | I will release some beta version of new 0xFFFF |
| 13:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: could you paste a good link to a tmo thread or whatever, which GeneralAntilles could use for MWKN? |
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| 13:06.24 | Pali | ok, when I drop tarball of new beta version, I will create new tmo thread |
| 13:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 13:31.00 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, is wiki and extras-devel working? |
| 13:31.04 | Pali | or still not? |
| 13:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | just tested wiki, borked as usual, no edit |
| 13:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea about e-dev |
| 13:31.47 | Pali | any other news? |
| 13:31.54 | vi_ | Pali: 0xFFFF can be used as a replacement for fiasco-gen? |
| 13:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 13:32.08 | Pali | vi_, yes |
| 13:32.10 | vi_ | Pali: No bullshit with layout files? |
| 13:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: that's what he said :-) |
| 13:32.19 | vi_ | where?? |
| 13:32.25 | vi_ | Do I get it from nopcode? |
| 13:32.29 | Pali | vi_, you need to create layou file still |
| 13:32.43 | vi_ | Pali: But no one knows how to make the layout files. |
| 13:32.48 | Pali | old version on nopcode support some fiasco format |
| 13:32.56 | vi_ | ~pali |
| 13:32.56 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ |
| 13:33.11 | Pali | new version will have full fiasco support |
| 13:33.19 | tadzik | hrm. Any idea what's /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive? It currently eats almost 23 megs on my rootfs |
| 13:33.32 | Pali | vi_ last time when I looked at that layout file it was plain text file |
| 13:33.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: a mega abomination |
| 13:33.46 | Pali | somewhere on tmo MAG wrote info about layout |
| 13:33.49 | vi_ | tadzik: It contains your locales. |
| 13:33.50 | Pali | try to find it |
| 13:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the *closed source* file of all Nokia translations/locales |
| 13:34.06 | vi_ | tadzik: You can move it to /opt and symlink it back with no trouble. |
| 13:34.15 | vi_ | Pali: I found it. |
| 13:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | really? |
| 13:34.19 | vi_ | It is not correct. |
| 13:34.51 | vi_ | The layout example on TMO is as it appears in the .bin header. |
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| 13:35.02 | tadzik | not that I lack space, I just released ncdu on / and it takes 10% of it :) |
| 13:35.07 | vi_ | It is not what is required to generate a flashable image. |
| 13:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think moving /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive to /opt will render some binaries used during early boot extremely unhappy, no? |
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| 13:35.44 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Like what? |
| 13:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 13:36.02 | vi_ | MMC is mounted well before any locale stuff is done. |
| 13:36.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the friggin player for shake-hands |
| 13:36.25 | vi_ | The shake hands player occours after x has started. |
| 13:36.31 | vi_ | ^X11 |
| 13:36.43 | vi_ | locales 'n shit is before that. |
| 13:37.21 | vi_ | Pali: I EAGERLY await your release of 0xFFFF |
| 13:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | then why does PA break when you optify the codecs? due to that bootvideo shit |
| 13:37.43 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: dunno. |
| 13:37.52 | vi_ | tadzik: You must try this, for science. |
| 13:38.54 | tadzik | when my rootfs is 95% filled rather than 59%, I'll do that and see what happens :) |
| 13:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: please verify your claim that nothing needs /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive during early boot, before /home mounted |
| 13:39.39 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I will. This evening. |
| 13:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 13:39.57 | vi_ | I will symlink it on my stunt n900. |
| 13:40.26 | vi_ | ...right after pali releases 0xFFFF 0.6b |
| 13:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders why Nokia hasn't optified /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive if it's really not needed during early boot |
| 13:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin abomination, a 21MB file with locales you wouldn't even know how to spell them, and no way to shrink it to the locales you really need |
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| 13:43.37 | tadzik | well, nokia didn't optify much at all, did they |
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| 13:45.10 | MrPingu | Why didn't they optify maps either |
| 13:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | uh? |
| 13:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | maps? |
| 13:46.18 | MrPingu | Most of nokia maps is in rootfs |
| 13:46.19 | tadzik | yeah, or microb stuff |
| 13:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | please give FQN of any maps related file that could use optification |
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| 13:47.23 | MrPingu | /usr/share/nokia-maps |
| 13:47.46 | tadzik | ncdu -x / is insightful :) |
| 13:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: right, that's terribly odd I'd say |
| 13:50.39 | MrPingu | tadzik: yes that run ncdu -x /usr/share/ , be prepared to find nokia maps listed as third |
| 13:50.59 | tadzik | yeah, something of this sort |
| 13:51.24 | MrPingu | Whole 7.3 MB wasted rootfs space |
| 13:51.28 | tadzik | . o O ( does anyone still use this? ) |
| 13:53.50 | BRB_COFFEE | Nokia maps is not that bad. |
| 13:53.56 | BRB_COFFEE | at least they still update the maps. |
| 13:55.18 | MrPingu | but but, nothing bad happends when symlinked to opt |
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| 13:55.35 | tadzik | this few times I tried to use them ("tell me how to go from here to this bar") it worked quite fine, but the overall UX was *horrible* |
| 13:55.46 | tadzik | "wtf do I click now" every few seconds |
| 14:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so let's start a hardcore optification effort? strace -ff -e trace=file (pre)init -o /optify-trace.log; and see which files are actually used until /home gets mounted |
| 14:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/-ff/-f/. |
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| 14:15.14 | MrPingu | never had such a boring lecture |
| 14:16.18 | MrPingu | Normally I am not at IRC when I am ay university but this is extreme ;o |
| 14:16.23 | tadzik | what lecture is that? |
| 14:16.46 | MrPingu | Economics and infrastructures |
| 14:17.19 | tadzik | I remeber a Compilers lecture few weeks ago, monday, 8 AM. We watched Star Trek with a friend and he still got asleep. |
| 14:17.46 | tadzik | I'm fascinated by the topic, frankly, but the lecturer is a genius in making people asleep |
| 14:18.43 | MrPingu | Next lecture will be javascript, that's getting my attention, my first programming language :P |
| 14:19.23 | MrPingu | Yes lecturers are good at that, even if the topic is interesting they still can make boring |
| 14:19.25 | vi_ | MrPingu: Dont let those JS heretics get to you first. |
| 14:19.42 | tadzik | well, is there a single language that does not suck as a first language? ;) |
| 14:19.50 | vi_ | C |
| 14:19.58 | tadzik | I thought that to be C, but there are still people who say it's bad |
| 14:20.00 | vi_ | C is the only language |
| 14:20.04 | vi_ | C is the mother lanuage |
| 14:20.19 | vi_ | C...bad?? |
| 14:20.20 | ShadowJK | I've only seen sandisk UHS in huge sizes like 64g :( |
| 14:20.25 | tadzik | well, not that I agree ;) |
| 14:20.41 | ShadowJK | the a-data was smaller so not too much money to spend on benchmarking/testing |
| 14:20.44 | vi_ | ShadowJK: so sandisk do offer an alternative. |
| 14:20.49 | tadzik | I sometimes think that if someone can't understand C, they should probably stay out of programming anyway |
| 14:20.52 | MrPingu | vi_: I can't help if I do, JS is forced on me |
| 14:21.35 | ShadowJK | Well we don't know if sandisk uhs has any better random write than their other cards :) |
| 14:21.36 | vi_ | MrPingu: May you pass through the shadow of the valley of JS and fear no inhetitance. |
| 14:21.36 | tadzik | vi_: think MIT and their Scheme |
| 14:21.56 | vi_ | ^fuck y spelling. |
| 14:22.02 | tadzik | although their choice doesn't neceserilly mean "C is bad for teaching" |
| 14:22.50 | MrPingu | Don't worry, I probably only get 1 period of programming. It's not the main aim of my study ;) |
| 14:23.41 | vi_ | BRB, got to work for a living. |
| 14:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: the more sense it would make to use a real programming language instead of JS |
| 14:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless your studies are for "Media designer" or whatver else there might be that creates "web programmers" |
| 14:28.13 | MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05: It's only used to crunch to some serials of numbers, and do some calculations |
| 14:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | calculations in JS, sure ;-P |
| 14:28.56 | tadzik | yeah, that's what fortran's for, right? ;) |
| 14:29.29 | MrPingu | Well, don't ask me, I am not the teacher :P |
| 14:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, if I were do pick a language for teaching a semester of programming course, I'd probably use a proper assembler (IBM, whatever) for that |
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| 14:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | macro assembler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_assembler#Macros |
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| 14:44.20 | devilinside | help!! i have esy debian on partition of 6gb but stl its sayin no space in /var/cache |
| 14:44.32 | devilinside | help plzz. |
| 14:44.53 | MrPingu | Yeah would have liked that too, maybe I will learn qt as hobby, only maybe |
| 14:45.10 | MrPingu | devilinside: mkdir /var/cache |
| 14:45.53 | MrPingu | IIRC, that folder is not present on some images |
| 14:46.31 | devilinside | but my easy deb is already on 6gb partition, copied by dd command ... it has enough free space |
| 14:47.03 | MrPingu | Are you sure that folder is created? |
| 14:47.29 | devilinside | its there.. i have already installed many apps but now its saying not wnough space in /var/cache |
| 14:47.50 | vi_ | devilinside: WHAT is saying it? |
| 14:49.10 | devilinside | commended packages:commended packages:commended packages:commended packages: |
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| 14:49.58 | devilinside | etrying to install jdk in easy deb |
| 14:50.07 | MrPingu | I'm out, next lecture is started |
| 14:50.45 | devilinside | its saying - need to get 39.2 mb of archives. not enuf space in /var/cache/* |
| 14:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | who is saying that? |
| 14:52.08 | devilinside | easy-deb-chroot |
| 14:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, can't reproduce, no such command on my device |
| 14:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you're executing a command that wants to download and install stuff *outside* of chroot |
| 14:53.41 | devilinside | no thats not a command. i tried installing app in easy-deb. its xterm is saying it |
| 14:53.47 | devilinside | nope.. |
| 14:54.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | df -h /var/cache/ |
| 14:54.23 | devilinside | its working fine expect for this space problem. i had shifted the image to partition by dd command.. |
| 14:55.49 | devilinside | its saying 3.0gb used out 0f 3.0gb . 32 mb free.. |
| 14:56.15 | devilinside | but its on a partition of 6gb, copied from image of 3gb! |
| 14:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo test >/var/cache/delete-me |
| 14:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | scratch that |
| 14:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you messed it up by dd |
| 14:57.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | dd is NOT meant to get used for that |
| 14:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you created an image, including size and all, of original |
| 14:58.09 | devilinside | then?? what is the procedure?? it was given in tutorial to shift the img to partition. |
| 14:58.42 | r00t|home | devilinside: resize2fs (if it's ext2) |
| 14:59.35 | devilinside | i didn create any image .. i used debian-wheezy-sulu.img.ext2 and used this command dd if=pathtoimg of=/dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 14:59.37 | r00t|home | devilinside: the filesystem does not know/care it was moved to a larger device, unless you tell it to |
| 14:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 15:00.01 | devilinside | yes its ext2 |
| 15:00.22 | r00t|home | resize2fs /dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 15:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | did he say he moved it to mmcblk1p2?? |
| 15:01.07 | r00t|home | <devilinside> i didn create any image .. i used debian-wheezy-sulu.img.ext2 and used this command dd if=pathtoimg of=/dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 15:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah he did |
| 15:01.36 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: and his device still works? |
| 15:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, amazing |
| 15:01.51 | devilinside | yess! |
| 15:01.53 | vi_ | ~dd |
| 15:01.53 | infobot | [dd] `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info |
| 15:02.13 | vi_ | ~dd is GNU Disk Destroyer |
| 15:02.13 | infobot | ...but dd is already something else... |
| 15:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: don't dare! |
| 15:02.42 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I would'nt. I can see it is allready defined. |
| 15:02.51 | vi_ | ~tm0 |
| 15:02.52 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 15:04.07 | devilinside | btw wat to do wid resize2fs or something likethat... and where to use it?? easy debian or xterm?? |
| 15:05.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: ^^^ ;-P |
| 15:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: resize2fs is a nifty advice, but not exactly self explanatory |
| 15:06.48 | r00t|home | why not? |
| 15:07.07 | r00t|home | the default action is to enlarge the filesystem to fill the device |
| 15:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I wonder which genius created that tutorial and pkg, I'd probably prefer to extraxt a tarball |
| 15:07.57 | r00t|home | some idiot who does not understand that chroot can be used on any directory, not just mountpoints |
| 15:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 15:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | devilinside: so, according to r00t|home fine advice, you should type `resize2fs /dev/mmcblk1p2` in your hist environment's root shell |
| 15:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | host* |
| 15:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you maybe need to umount /dev/mmcblk1p2 prior to that |
| 15:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, 'stop' the chroot |
| 15:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | by whatever means the easy-debian provides for that - - or simply reboot |
| 15:14.02 | devilinside | didn work! its still 3gb. |
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| 15:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | devilinside: you got a spare location with >3GB free storage? |
| 15:19.39 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: resise2fs works on both not mounted and mounted |
| 15:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: thanks, wasn't sure |
| 15:20.00 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: actually keeping it mounted has the advantage that it doesn't demand it being fscked first |
| 15:20.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 15:20.22 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: in the mounted case, the resize is performed by the kernel driver, else by the userspace program |
| 15:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: could you talk devilinside thru that lil inconvenience? |
| 15:21.05 | r00t|home | <devilinside> didn work! its still 3gb. |
| 15:21.13 | r00t|home | what did you do, what was the output? |
| 15:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: I'm not sure our kernel on fremantle provides that function, so - according to your explanation - it might work better when umount'ed |
| 15:23.19 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: the kernel would have to be damn old not to support it |
| 15:23.29 | devilinside | run e2fsck first |
| 15:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *is* damn old ;-) |
| 15:23.40 | r00t|home | devilinside: WELL, READ... |
| 15:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe not THAT old |
| 15:23.45 | devilinside | which gave a segmentation fault |
| 15:24.05 | r00t|home | well, your filesystem is totally broken, congrats, use your backups |
| 15:24.25 | vi_ | r00t|home: lol |
| 15:24.28 | r00t|home | also, file a bugreport |
| 15:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | devilinside: you created that stuff on uSD, no? |
| 15:24.41 | devilinside | yup |
| 15:24.46 | r00t|home | given that it's on the sd card, put it into a pc and run fsck there |
| 15:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | insert uSD to your linux PC |
| 15:25.24 | devilinside | not near any pc now :( |
| 15:25.44 | devilinside | will get to you when done .. thnx a lot guys.. |
| 15:25.57 | r00t|home | devilinside: try fsck on the image file... does that also crash? |
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| 15:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | then copy the whole chroot content to some folder on your linux-PC, mkfs-ext2 on that partition, and copy content back from PC to uSD |
| 15:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, probably better use tar |
| 15:27.15 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: better use tar... or make sure you use cp -a... |
| 15:27.20 | r00t|home | heh |
| 15:27.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply try what r00t|home suggested |
| 15:27.51 | r00t|home | i've seen fsck crash before... but only on badly corrupted filesystems... |
| 15:28.09 | fil | BTW in subsequent tests I find that my SIP quality is almost as bad via usb net as via wifi (which I find oddly encouraging, as it means I can do packet traces on my laptop without risking changing things on the n900) |
| 15:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | fil: indeed this finding has good as well as bad aspects |
| 15:29.02 | fil | so the one clean call I got after changing to usb net was a fluke |
| 15:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) it proves that WiFi isn't the culprit and b) it enables proper tracing by full wireshark, on PC |
| 15:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | still the basic rationale aplies: if inbound RTP stream is clean, then the problem is on N900 side. Otherwise between PC and far and |
| 15:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and vice versa for outbound stream |
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| 15:34.15 | vi_ | #define SPI0_SCR *((volatile word *)0x0000F2A0) |
| 15:34.24 | vi_ | #define SPI0_SCR *((volatile word *)0x0000F2A0) |
| 15:34.30 | vi_ | ^what EXACTLy this means? |
| 15:34.43 | vi_ | specifically the second part. |
| 15:35.04 | vi_ | What are the asterisks for? |
| 15:35.35 | jaska | tries to read a word from memory addr 0xf2a0 |
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| 15:36.17 | jaska | (volatile word *)0x0000F2A0 = a pointer to a volatile word at 0xf2a0 |
| 15:36.30 | jaska | *((volatile word *)0x0000F2A0) dereference said pointer. |
| 15:36.33 | r00t|home | vi_: (volatile word *) casts the integer a memory address, and the * in front makes it a read from that address... |
| 15:37.01 | r00t|home | welcome to the departmant of redundancy department |
| 15:37.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | which, whatever it means, sounds pretty odd, for fiasco |
| 15:38.06 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I am working on a gas sensor right now. |
| 15:38.11 | vi_ | Not fiasco! |
| 15:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 15:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it might make sense, for a weird way to do IO |
| 15:38.40 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I have been away from embedded c coding for some years. I am still trying to get back into it. |
| 15:38.44 | r00t|home | memory mapped i/o |
| 15:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, it's a #define, so yes. Probably clean |
| 15:39.51 | vi_ | so it is saying: |
| 15:40.31 | vi_ | SPIO_SCR is the volatile_word found at 0x0000F2A0? |
| 15:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | SPI0 |
| 15:41.25 | jaska | volatile tries to make it so that itll reread the contents of that memory location |
| 15:41.32 | jaska | instead of stuffing it into a register |
| 15:41.35 | vi_ | I know what it means more or less, I am just trying to understand why it is written in this way. |
| 15:41.38 | r00t|home | vi_: volatile forbids the compiler to optimize access, always reading and writing the actual memory when the variable is read/written... |
| 15:41.42 | r00t|home | redundancy... |
| 15:41.54 | jaska | department! |
| 15:42.04 | vi_ | r00t|home: aaah, I see. |
| 15:42.07 | r00t|home | vi_: there is no other way to write it... |
| 15:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: there is: inline assembler ;-) |
| 15:42.54 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: damn you... |
| 15:43.02 | r00t|home | vi_: there is no other way to write it IN C... |
| 15:43.11 | vi_ | r00t|home: ty |
| 15:43.29 | r00t|home | vi_: jaska provided the same information, no? |
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| 15:46.10 | vi_ | jaska: thank you. |
| 15:50.45 | vi_ | Is there a word for when a programmer is lazy and uses some variable as a temporary container . A variable that is actually defined for something else? |
| 15:51.35 | r00t|home | in embedded that's not even necessarily bad style... |
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| 15:52.35 | vi_ | ok. |
| 15:54.46 | r00t|home | well, still bad style, but might be justified as an optimization method |
| 15:55.08 | r00t|home | declare the variable as a union for cleaner style ;) |
| 15:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, good advice |
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| 16:02.50 | vi_ | ty |
| 16:06.38 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: and i thought i was just being silly... ;) |
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| 16:21.43 | kerio | ShadowJK: so... how's this adata awesome card? |
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| 16:22.16 | kerio | vi_: it's a bunch of words actually |
| 16:22.22 | kerio | "programmer with a really awful compiler" |
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| 16:33.03 | vi_ | fil: any further results with your SIP woes? |
| 16:36.13 | ShadowJK | kerio; well, it's not good, but first impression is best microsd I've tested. |
| 16:36.29 | kerio | what do you mean "not good"? :( |
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| 16:38.18 | ShadowJK | not as good as advertised |
| 16:38.25 | kerio | :( :( :( |
| 16:40.02 | ShadowJK | unfortunately i can't access results from other cards ive tested |
| 16:40.16 | ShadowJK | it's in a ooo spreadsheet at home :/ |
| 16:41.09 | kerio | hmm, aren't 150 4k IOPS just 600kB/s? |
| 16:43.35 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 16:43.44 | jacekowski | that's why HDDs are so slow |
| 16:44.18 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: i bought very good SD card patriot EP pro |
| 16:44.30 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: half price of sandisk and it's faster |
| 16:44.45 | kerio | >good |
| 16:44.48 | kerio | >not sandisk |
| 16:44.52 | kerio | DOES NOT COMPUTE |
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| 16:46.30 | jacekowski | http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/CrystalDiskMark-3.0-x64,2712.html |
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| 16:47.26 | kerio | i don't get why the sequential write speed would matter |
| 16:47.40 | jacekowski | it does matter for cameras |
| 16:48.07 | kerio | (also we need uSDs for the n900) |
| 16:48.35 | jacekowski | it's first card that i've tried that is fast enough for my camera |
| 16:48.49 | jacekowski | i can shoot at full 6fps and buffer will not fill up |
| 16:49.59 | vi_ | I have had 2 patriot uSD. |
| 16:50.09 | vi_ | Both broke within 1 month. |
| 16:50.20 | jacekowski | i've had no problems with mine |
| 16:50.33 | vi_ | jacekowski: well...make sure you keep backups. |
| 16:50.37 | jacekowski | and well, those cards get some heavy sequential use |
| 16:50.38 | kerio | jacekowski: we need it for the purpose of n900 swap, we need random read-writes |
| 16:50.54 | jacekowski | well no uSD card will live long as swap |
| 16:51.03 | kerio | why is that? |
| 16:51.14 | jacekowski | a lot of writes |
| 16:53.09 | vi_ | and that is why women are no good at swap. |
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| 16:53.37 | vi_ | Too many rights. |
| 17:00.15 | vi_ | I will show myself out/ |
| 17:00.17 | vi_ | :Q |
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| 17:48.59 | kerio | dafuq |
| 17:50.42 | kerio | jacekowski: SDs are perfect block devices in theory |
| 17:50.47 | kerio | they remap bad sectors automatically |
| 17:50.50 | kerio | and stuff |
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| 18:02.45 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
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| 18:06.52 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Confirming: 21MB /usr/lib/locales CAN be moved to /opt/usr/lib/locales and symlinked back. |
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| 18:07.12 | vi___ | MrPingu: Confirming: 21MB /usr/lib/locales CAN be moved to /opt/usr/lib/locales and symlinked back. |
| 18:09.17 | MrPingu | vi___: Awesome :) |
| 18:10.09 | vi___ | MrPingu: in fact it is a simple case of adding the path to the 'auto optification' paths list to be done on first boot for it to be rolled into a new firmware. |
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| 18:13.11 | MrPingu | vi__: Maps(usr/share/nokia-maps/) can be added to that list too |
| 18:15.13 | fil | vi___: no more info yet -- I've been fiddling with pulseaudio which was upset during an upgrade, in the hope that twinkle might work if I fixed unrelated sound issues -- seems not :-/ |
| 18:15.35 | fil | should have time for another play shortly |
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| 18:17.22 | Devilinside | i had moved many things to /opt. !ike gcc , perl , python, many more except for microb-engine, the device seemed to work fine |
| 18:17.58 | Devilinside | moving microb-engine causes problems! |
| 18:18.58 | vi___ | fil: good. I am interested in your results. |
| 18:20.26 | fil | do you happen to know what one needs to do to make i.e. Speex 16k work with freeswitch -- setting that as my only codec results in calls no longer working, and I'm not sure which end is upset |
| 18:21.28 | fil | (there was a forum post that claimed that 16k helped them - I guess that the problem is a bit random, and changing packet sizes is enough to make a difference, but it might have been more than that) |
| 18:21.28 | MrPingu | Devilinside: python is already optified, no? |
| 18:22.19 | Devilinside | there was something re!ated to python in /usr/share.. i kicked that out too |
| 18:22.35 | Devilinside | yeah it is optified |
| 18:24.25 | Devilinside | sorry in /usr/lib/pymodules |
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| 18:27.32 | freemangordon | the fuck, ltrace traces nothing on the device :( |
| 18:32.11 | Drathir | how abut jar support? any alternative to microemulator? |
| 18:34.41 | kerio | vi___: i never had any luck getting the autooptifier to work |
| 18:35.20 | kerio | vi___: i'm also getting "initctl: MOUNTS_OK event failed" in its log |
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| 18:38.57 | ShadowJK | heh, I've written to a Sandisk Cruzer 16GB over 20G daily for about two years now. Endurance seems like a non issue.. |
| 18:42.39 | ShadowJK | wishes some major benchmark site benchmarked generally available cards, with useful tests, or atleast tests described what they do |
| 18:43.10 | ShadowJK | although, this looks vaguely useful: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/IOMeter-2008.08.18,2708.html |
| 18:44.59 | kerio | ShadowJK: will a uSD grow slower after you've wrote random data over it once? |
| 18:45.21 | ShadowJK | they're black boxes, you dont know |
| 18:48.11 | ShadowJK | http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-micro-sdhc-charts/Random-Write-4-KB-QD-1-MB-s,2750.html |
| 18:48.14 | ShadowJK | ooh |
| 18:49.41 | kerio | holy shit the first one is powerful |
| 18:51.26 | vi___ | holy shit, 1.4MB/s@4k blocks! |
| 18:51.40 | jacekowski | vi___: my ssd can do that |
| 18:51.48 | freemangordon | vi___: which one?!? |
| 18:52.37 | kerio | freemangordon: a sandisk :D |
| 18:52.44 | vi___ | freemangordon: sandisk uhs-i card |
| 18:52.46 | kerio | sandisk extreme pro UHS-I 16GB |
| 18:52.51 | kerio | SDSDQXP-016G |
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| 18:53.08 | freemangordon | hmm, lets see if there is at least 32G |
| 18:53.58 | freemangordon | unfortunately there isn't |
| 18:54.30 | vi___ | they only come in 8,16 |
| 18:55.01 | kerio | 16 is enough, to be honest |
| 18:55.02 | vi___ | It is good to see the regular sandisk 8gb class 4 up there with the best, shitting on those class 10 monsters. |
| 18:55.19 | kerio | i doubt my sandisk 32gb is good enough to do that :c |
| 18:55.22 | kerio | how would i test it |
| 18:55.22 | kerio | ? |
| 18:56.42 | vi___ | Goddamit, wtf cant nokia suite find 'maps' on this n900? |
| 18:57.05 | vi___ | It is a goddamn identical CLONE of one that works. |
| 18:57.05 | vi___ | WTF. |
| 18:57.11 | MrPingu | vi___: still fighting with that? |
| 18:57.23 | vi___ | MrPingu: Jesus christ it does not make any sense. |
| 18:57.41 | kerio | vi___: make full BM backups, make a diff of the tarballs |
| 18:57.46 | vi___ | rootfs+kernel+mydocs+/opt is a clone. |
| 18:58.05 | vi___ | kerio: I just took the backup off a working device. |
| 18:58.08 | MrPingu | kerio: He took another approach |
| 18:58.31 | vi___ | The fucking fuck. |
| 18:58.36 | vi___ | I just dont get it. |
| 18:58.56 | kerio | vi___: you said nokia maps wasn't installed? |
| 18:59.07 | kerio | clearly it's not a perfect clone then |
| 18:59.09 | vi___ | Nokia maps IS installed. |
| 18:59.23 | vi___ | just like it is installed on the originator. |
| 18:59.26 | MrPingu | vi__: You reinstalled the package now? |
| 18:59.29 | kerio | have you tried copying CAL too? |
| 18:59.30 | vi___ | It is a motherfucking clone. |
| 18:59.44 | kerio | (note: don't do that) |
| 18:59.45 | vi___ | kerio: That is a one way ticket to a dead n900. |
| 19:00.54 | vi___ | I have even purged maps, reinstalled them |
| 19:02.08 | vi___ | all nokia suite does is look for the 'cities' folder. |
| 19:02.22 | vi___ | If it cannot find it, it says you have no maps or you need to run it once. |
| 19:02.28 | vi___ | The cities folder is there. |
| 19:02.47 | vi___ | If I rm it and rerun maps, it is recreated freshly. |
| 19:02.57 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 19:03.06 | kerio | i don't even know how pc suite works |
| 19:03.13 | kerio | what does it use to access files? |
| 19:03.36 | vi___ | kerio: pc_suite mode |
| 19:03.47 | kerio | vi___: yeah but how, exactly? |
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| 19:04.05 | vi___ | I imagine networking over usb |
| 19:04.55 | MrPingu | pc-suite.... Wasn't maps only ovi-suite? |
| 19:05.14 | MrPingu | oh wait your other n900 |
| 19:05.21 | MrPingu | Nevermind.... |
| 19:05.24 | vi___ | You are not getting it. It is a CLONE of a working n900. |
| 19:05.56 | kerio | vi___: clearly it's not |
| 19:06.17 | MrPingu | I won't be saying anything anymore, seems I start to talk crap :P |
| 19:11.16 | kolp | How to tell the n900 is in act_dead mode? Is it when the backlight is slightly lit? |
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| 19:13.30 | kerio | kolp: pushing the power key gives a different LED light than when it's off |
| 19:13.35 | kerio | and turning it on doesn't give you a vibration |
| 19:13.41 | kerio | instead, you get a reboot |
| 19:14.25 | kolp | Mkay, thanks |
| 19:19.43 | kerio | can someone pastebin their /var/log/*-optify-* ? |
| 19:25.41 | vi___ | kerio http://pastebin.com/iFU64ARB |
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| 19:35.26 | vi___ | mm |
| 19:35.45 | vi___ | it would seem they generate different config.cfg files inside the maps folder |
| 19:36.05 | vi___ | which makes no sense. |
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| 19:38.59 | kolp | Anyone know what sapwood-server is? |
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| 19:48.58 | Devilinside | any idea about using gdebi with easy debian? need to use ubuntu facebook app but the dependency requires python2.7-ubuntu something something! |
| 19:50.23 | vi___ | This makes no damn sense. |
| 19:50.37 | vi___ | Every n900 I clone from this working n900 does not work. |
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| 19:56.43 | vi___ | well fuck me. |
| 19:56.58 | vi___ | If I manually load g_nokia, it works. |
| 19:57.04 | vi___ | which leads me to ask: |
| 19:57.07 | vi___ | THE FUCK. |
| 19:58.27 | r00t|home | Devilinside: what's wrong with dpkg -i --force-depends ? |
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| 20:03.24 | r00t|home | man, gdebi is a silly program... a dpkg frontend written in python... with it's own wikipedia page... |
| 20:04.42 | Devilinside | not working! i have python 2.7 in debian but its not opening! |
| 20:05.10 | Devilinside | trying once again!! |
| 20:06.02 | r00t|home | well, what's the error you're getting... |
| 20:06.14 | r00t|home | (it MIGHT help to start it from a terminal) |
| 20:06.51 | r00t|home | debian repositories won't contain packages with "ubuntu" in their name, so i don't see how any automatic dependancy resolution is supposed to help you |
| 20:08.12 | Devilinside | thats the problem. debian repo wont contain dubuntuin their name. |
| 20:08.29 | r00t|home | you can just apt-get install python-2.7 and you'll have a python 2.7... |
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| 20:09.45 | vi___ | but that would be cheating! |
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| 20:14.06 | Devilinside | doing dpkg and then apt-get -f |
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| 20:17.05 | vi___ | is it possible to chroot into a copy of the maemo 5 filesystem and run dpkg within it. |
| 20:17.18 | vi___ | In the fremantle sdk for example (armel). |
| 20:18.28 | r00t|home | Devilinside: apt-get will just remove the package again |
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| 20:19.05 | r00t|home | Devilinside: PACKAGE DEPENDENCIES DO NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF A DISTRIBUTION |
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| 20:21.56 | Devilinside | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.15 | Devilinside | but i cant find the facebook in lxde |
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| 20:22.50 | r00t|home | lol |
| 20:23.16 | r00t|home | you should check out microsoft's products, they have this "windows" thing, you will like it |
| 20:23.36 | vi___ | now now, everyone has to start somswhere. |
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| 21:04.53 | fil | I just stumbled across a forum post stating that Nokis didn't implement clock-rates other than 8k on the n900 -- is that right? (would ceratinly explain why calls were failing to establish when I tried 16k) |
| 21:05.19 | fil | Nokia, even |
| 21:05.24 | kerio | fil: regarding what? |
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| 21:07.42 | fil | kerio: speex clock-rate=16000 vs. clock-rate=8000 -- is that what you're querying? |
| 21:07.55 | kerio | oh, for... huh |
| 21:08.01 | kerio | SIP phone calls? |
| 21:09.46 | fil | SIP, yes |
| 21:10.27 | fil | (sorry, I've been wibbling on about sip since last night) |
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| 21:42.10 | Drathir | wow smplayer vo fbdev source 720p slowly but works... |
| 21:42.21 | Drathir | without sound |
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| 21:42.56 | Drathir | screen quality is awesome... |
| 21:43.49 | Drathir | ittle powerfull n900... hrhr |
| 21:50.18 | tadzik | well, the screen is a bit too small for 720p to make sense, no? |
| 21:50.48 | vi_ | can somone explain this command to me: |
| 21:50.52 | vi_ | mknod /dev/mtdblock0 b 31 0 |
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| 21:51.35 | freemangordon | vi_: that creates a block device major 31 minor 0 in /dev |
| 21:51.48 | freemangordon | named mtdblock0 :P |
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| 21:52.33 | freemangordon | vi_: where did you get that from? /sbin/preinit? |
| 21:53.17 | MentalistTraceur | I was gonna say, if it looks familiar to me, with my limited experience, I'd have to guess that script as well. |
| 21:54.01 | Drathir | tadzik: is no so bsd quality is amazing... |
| 21:54.17 | MentalistTraceur | But a quick grep indicates that the stock /sbin/preinit does not have that command exactly, at least. |
| 21:54.49 | Drathir | but in 720p works only fbdev and x11 strange is why xv show green screen... |
| 21:55.08 | freemangordon | Drathir: what kernel? |
| 21:55.58 | freemangordon | tadzik: the point is you don;t have to reencode ;) |
| 21:56.21 | MentalistTraceur | (I presume we're talking about N900's /sbin/preinit)Though it does something that might effectively do that, since it does a bunch of command-substitution to craft the string used in the final mknod command. |
| 21:56.34 | vi_ | freemangordon: No, I found it in an online guide to mounting a jffs2 file system. |
| 21:56.52 | vi_ | I get as far as: dd if=./rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtd0 |
| 21:56.59 | freemangordon | vi_: hmm, modprobe mtdblock should do that for you |
| 21:57.03 | vi_ | and I am told no space left on device. |
| 21:57.14 | freemangordon | vi_: you need nandsim |
| 21:57.16 | freemangordon | iirc |
| 21:57.31 | vi_ | well the method on the maemo wiki is complete bullshit. |
| 21:58.38 | freemangordon | vi_: you'd better ask pali, he was the one who helped me to mount the CAL partition while I was REing libcal |
| 21:59.22 | freemangordon | vi_: BTW where do you try to mount that, on your PC? |
| 21:59.29 | Drathir | 1920x800 also x11 and fbdev better works than xv green show video wheen seek |
| 21:59.43 | Drathir | freemangordon: power |
| 22:00.03 | freemangordon | hmm, 720p xv should work with KP |
| 22:00.08 | Drathir | freemangordon: ver 51 |
| 22:00.13 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:00.16 | vi_ | freemangordon: can you suggest a way to extract the pr1.3 firmware filesystem from the fiasco bin BEFORE optification? |
| 22:00.42 | freemangordon | vi_: flasher -x -F blah-blah |
| 22:01.02 | vi_ | freemangordon: yeah, that gets me a jffs2 |
| 22:01.10 | vi_ | that I cannot seem to mount anywhere. |
| 22:01.13 | freemangordon | vi_: you'll get root.jffs2 |
| 22:01.20 | ShadowJK | a-data card throws input/output error during benchmarking :) |
| 22:01.33 | Drathir | freemangordon: kp? |
| 22:01.34 | freemangordon | vi_: they lie to you, it is not jffs2 :P |
| 22:01.41 | freemangordon | Drathir: kernel-power |
| 22:01.45 | freemangordon | the one you use |
| 22:02.06 | vi_ | freemangordon: ...wut? |
| 22:02.11 | Drathir | freemangordon: open payer say 720p unrecognozed file |
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| 22:02.30 | freemangordon | yep, it is not jffs2, but, umm..., lemme check |
| 22:02.48 | freemangordon | vi_: ubifs ;) |
| 22:03.16 | freemangordon | Drathir: yeah, you need 720p codecs installed to be able to play 720p with mediaplayer |
| 22:03.22 | vi_ | then wtf is it called rootfs.jffs2??? |
| 22:03.24 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 22:03.35 | freemangordon | vi_: to make you mad |
| 22:03.46 | vi_ | freemangordon: well, I am quite mad. |
| 22:03.53 | Drathir | but amazing is that the responsive of system is quite good with that high resolution play... thats is interesting... |
| 22:04.17 | freemangordon | vi_: well, they have reached their goal :D:D:D |
| 22:04.33 | Drathir | freemangordon: ok i will be looks that codec... |
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| 22:04.56 | freemangordon | Drathir: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695 |
| 22:05.34 | freemangordon | vi_: you need ubimount and stuff like that |
| 22:06.49 | freemangordon | Drathir: though have in mind you need to overclock the DSP, so think twice |
| 22:07.12 | freemangordon | to play 720p using DSP that is |
| 22:07.14 | Drathir | freemangordon: thanks... when more discover more things suprised and shocking me... positive way ofc... |
| 22:07.59 | Drathir | freemangordon: but without oc this codec also will work? |
| 22:08.10 | freemangordon | yes |
| 22:08.20 | Drathir | thats good |
| 22:08.21 | freemangordon | but 720p will stutter |
| 22:09.29 | freemangordon | Drathir: though even without it you should be able to see 720p using xv. HW downsampler in KP >= 47 supports that resolution |
| 22:09.37 | vi_ | so how do I mount a ubifs fs then? |
| 22:09.45 | freemangordon | ubimount |
| 22:09.52 | Drathir | one thing sad that core player from symbian isnt ported to maemo... this will be powerfull mashine... |
| 22:10.20 | freemangordon | vi_: ubitools or something, not sure about the name , |
| 22:10.56 | freemangordon | Drathir: never used symbian so NFC what core player is :) |
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| 22:11.26 | freemangordon | vi_: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html |
| 22:11.42 | freemangordon | though get a bber and some snacks |
| 22:11.45 | freemangordon | *beer |
| 22:12.32 | Drathir | but working 1920x800 slowly but working is amazing power of n900 |
| 22:12.35 | freemangordon | vi_: but you deffinitely need nandsim. And you need Pali to tell you the parameters to pass to nandsim module |
| 22:13.08 | vi_ | freemangordon: What a complete and total utter fsck ballache. |
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| 22:13.34 | freemangordon | vi_: though I might be wrong about nandsim, maybe a simple dd will do the job |
| 22:14.39 | vi_ | now I have an n900 that will not flash. |
| 22:14.49 | vi_ | Wtf is going wrong with my n900 stash? |
| 22:15.04 | Drathir | freemangordon: core player is amasing thing in symbian s60v3 eg. n80 phone able to play all audio and video formats with mkv included... also network stream works great... |
| 22:15.13 | vi_ | Correction, it will flash, it just boot loops. |
| 22:15.34 | freemangordon | Drathir: n80? |
| 22:15.59 | freemangordon | or n8? |
| 22:16.41 | freemangordon | vi_: read that howto, there is a guide how to make ubgs images |
| 22:16.47 | freemangordon | *ubifs |
| 22:17.05 | Drathir | vi_: why hot flash? power lost? |
| 22:17.24 | freemangordon | Drathir: he is trying to make n900 firmware image |
| 22:17.25 | Drathir | freemangordon: yes back to the past - N80 |
| 22:17.54 | freemangordon | Drathir: hmm, i doubt it will play many formats, but... if you say so :P |
| 22:18.30 | freemangordon | Drathir: for how long do you own your n900? |
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| 22:18.51 | Drathir | freemangordon: couple of days.... |
| 22:19.09 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 22:19.31 | ShadowJK | Playing different formats isn't that hard |
| 22:19.57 | Drathir | ShadowJK: on phone like n80? |
| 22:20.04 | ShadowJK | It's once the content encoded with the codecs inside the format require more processing power than you have, that you get issues :) |
| 22:20.45 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: I don't think a device like n80 have DSP |
| 22:20.55 | ShadowJK | probably |
| 22:21.04 | Drathir | on n900 yes its easy but n80 with this time when popular flac and mkv play was somthng big... |
| 22:21.29 | freemangordon | and with its (maybe) 300 MHz arm11 or something like that... |
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| 22:23.21 | ShadowJK | Without dedicated decoder hw, it'd just about, maybe, manage h264 baseline profile, at almost its screen resolution? :) |
| 22:23.42 | ShadowJK | oh, 220MHz |
| 22:23.58 | freemangordon | 220 MHz Dual ARM 9 |
| 22:24.07 | freemangordon | what is that supposed to mean ?!? |
| 22:24.09 | Drathir | 15mb ram and 206mhz |
| 22:24.14 | r00t|home | <vi_> I get as far as: dd if=./rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtd0 <--- mtd devices aren't block devices normal programs can use... you need to write to mtdblock0 |
| 22:25.09 | freemangordon | r00t|home: not to say he was trying to mount it as jffs2 :) |
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| 22:26.45 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, modem is the other arm |
| 22:27.05 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: thanks. makes sense |
| 22:27.24 | ShadowJK | Later symbian gained realtime features and could run on same cpu as modem |
| 22:32.03 | Drathir | for me the s60v3 is the last worth somthing edition s60v5 not so good... |
| 22:32.06 | vi_ | r00t|home: I am as dumb as that guy you were helping earlier when it comes to ubifs. |
| 22:32.34 | Drathir | too candy way... |
| 22:32.53 | r00t|home | heh |
| 22:33.21 | r00t|home | i don't know ubifs ;) |
| 22:33.38 | freemangordon | vi_: the link I posted ^^^ is the way to go |
| 22:34.17 | freemangordon | vi_: though you may try to dd to /dev/mtdblock0 |
| 22:34.58 | freemangordon | I am almost sure it will not work, as this is supposed to be nand image, i.e. mtd char, not block device |
| 22:35.15 | r00t|home | vi_: mtd "memory technology device" is raw flash, without wear leveling... which is used by jffs2 (and ubifs i guess)... the mtdblock driver implements the wear-leveling part so you can access it as a normal block device |
| 22:36.27 | freemangordon | r00t|home: afaik it is not so somple, one needs nandsim with image as backing file |
| 22:36.34 | freemangordon | *simple |
| 22:36.37 | r00t|home | freemangordon: i know from both my ipaq pda and motorola phones that you can use mtdblock to grab and restore images of mtd devices... and i don't see why an image file would be in another format |
| 22:37.24 | r00t|home | freemangordon: nandsim sounds to me like it would provide an mtd device backed by a normal block devices, for testing drivers? |
| 22:37.41 | r00t|home | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/nand.html#L_nand_nandsim |
| 22:37.52 | freemangordon | r00t|home: It could be I am talking nonsense :) |
| 22:39.05 | freemangordon | r00t|home: but deffinitely I needed nandsim to read/write /dev/mtdblock1 (CAL partition) dd-ed from n900 to a file and then back from file to /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 22:39.26 | freemangordon | or was it mtdblock2? |
| 22:39.41 | freemangordon | makes no difference |
| 22:39.50 | r00t|home | this says you can write directly to /dev/mtdX: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/nand.html#L_nand_copyimg |
| 22:40.08 | r00t|home | we shouldn't talk about stuff we don't know jack about ;) |
| 22:40.41 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 22:40.44 | r00t|home | freemangordon: but the tool for flashing is nandwrite, not nandsim |
| 22:41.06 | freemangordon | r00t|home: ok, but vi wants to mount it |
| 22:41.35 | r00t|home | either by flashing and then mounting, or with the sim, you're right then i guess |
| 22:42.02 | vi_ | freemangordon: I give up for tonight, it is getting late and I still need to fix mrs vi_ n900. |
| 22:42.14 | freemangordon | afaik nandwrite will take care of bad block in nand |
| 22:42.28 | r00t|home | exactly |
| 22:43.54 | freemangordon | well, lets wait Pali to appear, he knows a bit about that |
| 22:44.17 | r00t|home | let's hope he won't read the backlog ;) |
| 22:44.35 | freemangordon | hehe, why not? |
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| 22:45.00 | freemangordon | he'll be aware that he explains to noobs :D |
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| 22:49.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | ((233416 <freemangordon> vi_: though you may try to dd to /dev/mtdblock0)) NOOOO! this doesn't work! see BM-v1 |
| 22:50.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~bm |
| 22:50.03 | infobot | somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 22:50.25 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: well, I don;t think it will work, but costs nothing |
| 22:50.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | to write to nand you need nandwrite |
| 22:50.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | mtd doesn't handle bad blocks |
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| 22:51.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: hmm, we are not talking nand here, but nandsim |
| 22:52.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 22:52.19 | freemangordon | i.e. mounting rootfs in a PC |
| 22:52.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 22:52.55 | freemangordon | I suppose vi wants to chroot and do his nice'n'cool stuff :D |
| 22:52.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | loopback mount |
| 22:53.10 | freemangordon | mtd does not support loopback ;) |
| 22:53.41 | freemangordon | the only way is nandsim with or without cache_file |
| 22:53.54 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 22:53.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | we'rnot talking mtd here? |
| 22:54.15 | freemangordon | mtd is ont top of nand |
| 22:54.25 | freemangordon | ubifs is on top of mtd |
| 22:54.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | we're talking ubi image |
| 22:54.32 | freemangordon | yes |
| 22:54.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | ubi supports loopmnt afaik |
| 22:54.56 | freemangordon | you think ubi can mount a loopback? |
| 22:55.05 | freemangordon | aah. well, NFC |
| 22:55.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | nandsim prolly for simulating real nand, with all quirks |
| 22:56.15 | freemangordon | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html#L_rednote |
| 22:56.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | to run stuff like nandstress against it |
| 22:56.22 | freemangordon | loopback is a nogo |
| 22:56.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok |
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| 22:56.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just know jffs works |
| 22:57.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | since we built images for freerunner that way |
| 22:57.26 | freemangordon | yeah, jffs does, but ubifs it totally diferent afaik |
| 22:57.32 | freemangordon | *is |
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| 23:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if it's been vi or freemangordon who "DNGAF about what a ***** (like kerio) found out on #maemo" - anyway *he* knows how to write to mtdblk |
| 23:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | after I tought him |
| 23:11.13 | Drathir | freemangordon: why is used that ? |
| 23:11.16 | Drathir | apt-get remove gstreamer0.10-openmax |
| 23:13.06 | freemangordon | Drathir: you don;t need it when you install updated gst-dsp |
| 23:13.14 | Drathir | sorry for that i ask but mostly i like to know what im doing? |
| 23:13.20 | Drathir | ok thanks |
| 23:13.27 | freemangordon | you know gstreamer? |
| 23:13.44 | Drathir | that mean installed packages is replacment for that? |
| 23:14.01 | freemangordon | not exactly. but it provides the same codecs |
| 23:14.30 | freemangordon | Drathir: take care to follow howto exactly |
| 23:14.33 | Drathir | as i know gstreamer is some kind of different codec liblaries... |
| 23:15.29 | freemangordon | Drathir: just follow the steps and you should be ok :) |
| 23:15.55 | freemangordon | read the thread for some insight (yeah, I know it is huge) |
| 23:16.16 | freemangordon | however, I am going to have some sleep, night |
| 23:16.26 | Drathir | freemangordon: yes i know that... only like verbose mode... thanks again a lot... |
| 23:17.00 | Drathir | freemangordon: colorfull dreams |
| 23:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nandsim "loopmount": http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_ubifs_nandsim |
| 23:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | filename: /lib/modules/3.1.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/mtd/nand/nandsim.ko |
| 23:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | description: The NAND flash simulator |
| 23:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | author: Artem B. Bityuckiy |
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| 23:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2012-11-19 23:03:22] <vi_> then wtf is it called rootfs.jffs2???)) for hysterical raisins, vi ;-P |
| 23:29.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it actually been jffs2 on maemo4/diablo |
| 23:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# flasher --help |
| 23:30.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 8 2010) |
| 23:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they CBA to change the file ending, prolly hardcoded to flasher |
| 23:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | my rough estimation: 10..25% of us had that "WTF"-moment about rootfs.jffs2 |
| 23:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | either forward or reverse (== concluding we might have jffs2 fs on root) |
| 23:40.43 | fil | just installed asterisk on his n900, and the demo call to digium sounds very clear on the wire, and only a little worse on wifi ... but I guess that'll be doing IAX rather than SIP for the remote leg |
| 23:42.24 | fil | I'm now wondering if I can sort out the VoIP woes by connecting to a local asterisk instance, and have that talk to the remote freeswitch -- would be mad if that makes things better |
| 23:45.44 | Drathir | freemangordon: all works perfect... |
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