| 00:00.47 | vi___ | fiasco-gen -g --mmc=../emmc/mmc --mmc-partition="mydocs" --layout=layout -o test.bin |
| 00:00.51 | RiD | lol firefox os is such an android clone |
| 00:03.10 | vi___ | generates a fiasco image from the original mmc. |
| 00:03.30 | vi___ | when you try to flash it, it gets to 96% then says update failed. |
| 00:04.03 | vi___ | EVERY. |
| 00:04.07 | vi___ | FUCKING. |
| 00:04.08 | vi___ | TIME. |
| 00:04.13 | RiD | you're happy |
| 00:04.23 | RiD | sounds like me when my microusb fell out |
| 00:04.26 | vi___ | RiD: I have been trying to make this work for over 10 hours. |
| 00:04.39 | RiD | i have had not used my n900 for almost 2 months |
| 00:05.08 | RiD | anyways, good luck (You'll *NEED* it). I have to go |
| 00:05.14 | vi___ | WTF would nokia release such a piece of utter shit without documentation? |
| 00:05.39 | RiD | to make us feel like dumbasses |
| 00:05.49 | RiD | and taking revenge of all the microusb critics |
| 00:05.52 | RiD | theory |
| 00:09.07 | *** join/#maemo LaoLang_cool (~LaoLang_c@221.226.175.142) |
| 00:11.20 | vi___ | go eat a bag of dicks nokia. |
| 00:11.54 | Drathir | vi___: what is about oryginal flash size compared with create by you? maybe have some kind of strange size check? |
| 00:11.55 | SpeedEvil | vi___: :-( |
| 00:13.13 | *** join/#maemo Sc0rpius (~naikel@190.79.197.57) |
| 00:13.26 | vi___ | Drathir: No, I am using the original mmc vfat image to avoid that kind of problem. |
| 00:13.31 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: Any tips? |
| 00:13.42 | SpeedEvil | alas, no idea |
| 00:14.28 | SpeedEvil | why are you trying to make an image? |
| 00:14.33 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: do you know who I could ask? |
| 00:14.44 | SpeedEvil | nope. |
| 00:14.58 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: Becasue I am fed up of having to set up all my shit everytime I reflash. |
| 00:15.10 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:15.22 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: I have made a rootfs image with kernel. It works great. |
| 00:15.24 | SpeedEvil | I'd cheat |
| 00:15.32 | SpeedEvil | sync |
| 00:15.37 | SpeedEvil | rsync |
| 00:25.39 | Hurrian | hoooooly shit, someone's trying to pack a custom image. |
| 00:26.02 | Hurrian | vi__, if I were you, I'd prepare a SD card with the partition layout and tars of root and /home |
| 00:26.06 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: Do you think the flasher3.5 needs an initrd rolled into the flashable bin? |
| 00:26.19 | vi___ | Hurrian: why? |
| 00:26.32 | SpeedEvil | vi___: I have never investigated it |
| 00:27.09 | Hurrian | vi__, so that I don't waste time trying different USB ports? |
| 00:28.06 | vi___ | Hurrian: I cannot find evidence of anyone being sucessful at creating an emmc image. ever. |
| 00:28.29 | Hurrian | vi__, it bombs out at 96% every time? |
| 00:28.30 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 00:28.39 | Hurrian | (at flashing, that is) |
| 00:28.40 | vi___ | Hurrian: yes. |
| 00:28.51 | Hurrian | Maybe flasher-3.5 is just being shitty |
| 00:29.09 | vi___ | Hurrian: It works with the nokia supplied pr1.3 emmc image. |
| 00:29.25 | Hurrian | The .bins are just archives, and fiasco-gen simply packs them with the info. Try the newest 0xFFFF that Pali modded. |
| 00:31.00 | Hurrian | Whenever I want to flatten and restore my N900s, I simply load up RescueOS, wipe rootfs, import the partition table into sfdisk, format them, and untar my tarballs. |
| 00:34.49 | vi___ | I am starting to think I need to include some initrd or something. |
| 00:35.36 | vi___ | and now the wiki is down |
| 00:38.37 | Drathir | vi___: or maybe check md5sum after flashed and give a error? |
| 00:39.15 | Drathir | hidden list of used files which flasher check and compare... |
| 00:40.11 | Drathir | is strange that every time do this error in the same place... |
| 00:42.11 | Drathir | like oryginal content check is good and 96 starts modified content... |
| 00:42.46 | Hurrian | Drathir, pretty sure it should be checking hashes /beforehand/ |
| 00:43.08 | Hurrian | in which case the .bin file would fail immediately, as the md5sum or whatever it uses is completely different ;) |
| 00:44.32 | Hurrian | Also, vi__, flasher-3.5 for the N900 doesn't require a "ape-algo", which IIRC is an initrd + kernel to flash filesystems |
| 00:46.58 | Drathir | Hurrian: maybe true but if check before maybe only compare with list and after flash compare with all content some kind of error security? |
| 00:47.40 | Hurrian | but fiasco-gen should've taken care of that when making the image |
| 00:47.54 | Hurrian | and iirc in N900 that's only done for CMT image |
| 00:49.26 | Drathir | all is very strange and interesting.... why do that... |
| 00:50.04 | Drathir | but is strange why flasher cant dump data if can write to the phone... |
| 00:50.48 | *** join/#maemo croppa (~stuart@CPE-120-146-137-99.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 00:51.13 | Drathir | that way anyone can install all what want and work and do snapshot of phone... |
| 00:52.30 | Drathir | nokia srvices proppably could do that, strange if not... |
| 00:54.55 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn119 (~jdfgf@c-67-173-101-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:59.36 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 01:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: you thought of cmp fiasco-original.bin your-fiasco.bin ? |
| 01:03.10 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 01:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: I gather you tried to use the unpacked chunks from fiasco-original.bin to build fiasco-new.bin from them. So both shouldn't differ, eh? |
| 01:04.09 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Yes |
| 01:04.46 | vi___ | however looking with a hex editor there seems to be some name in the header. |
| 01:04.59 | vi___ | RX-51 blah blah blah |
| 01:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 01:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw your parameter looks bewildering to me: --mmc-partition="mydocs" |
| 01:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd have thought it's sth like 1, 2, 3 |
| 01:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait |
| 01:06.25 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: if you try a number it craps out as soon as it starts. |
| 01:06.50 | vi___ | if you use a name of a partition specified in layout file it does not. |
| 01:07.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sounds about right |
| 01:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 01:07.42 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 01:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (^^^ for me) |
| 01:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | prefix = "mydocs"; |
| 01:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 01:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be dreaming or whatever, but maybe I heard once about some odd lil glitch in layout that needs fix for fiasco-gen to work. I.E. unpacked layout from fiasco-original.bin might not match what fiasco-gen wants for --layout=ARG |
| 01:10.43 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: The only difference I can see is a 'name' string at the start of the file. |
| 01:11.00 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: you could be onto something... |
| 01:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd do 2 things: 1.:find out about diffs via cmp or diff, 2.: find out *why* those diffs are there, start with "what does this name-string mean? where from does it come? (grep all involved files might help)" |
| 01:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (grep) if it doesn't already correlate to a filename of one of the chunks or the target |
| 01:16.32 | *** join/#maemo LaoLang_cool (~LaoLang_c@221.226.175.142) |
| 01:20.01 | vi___ | FUCKIT |
| 01:20.04 | vi___ | I am going to bed |
| 01:20.09 | vi___ | I hate fucking computers |
| 01:22.47 | *** join/#maemo sirdancealot (~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz) |
| 01:22.56 | *** join/#maemo robbiethe1st (~robbiethe@71-221-196-99.spkn.qwest.net) |
| 01:24.20 | *** join/#maemo croppa (~stuart@CPE-120-146-137-99.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 01:24.47 | LaoLang_cool | I got date -s work finally! date -s "1118 0924 2012" |
| 01:25.37 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 01:30.46 | jon_y | best to set the format too |
| 01:31.00 | jon_y | locale settings may break your date input |
| 01:31.17 | jon_y | ah wait nvm |
| 01:34.21 | Drathir | like ntpd |
| 01:34.58 | Drathir | sad there isnt ntptime... |
| 01:36.24 | nox- | best set the time from gps... |
| 01:36.40 | *** join/#maemo rlinfati (~rlinfati@pc-227-22-215-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 01:37.20 | nox- | i think its gps recorder that does that |
| 01:39.02 | Drathir | nox-: good idea gs also can set time without network connection... |
| 01:39.13 | Drathir | gps* |
| 01:39.19 | nox- | yeah tho then it takes longer to get a fix |
| 01:39.38 | *** join/#maemo rlinfati (~rlinfati@pc-227-22-215-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 01:40.51 | Drathir | yes more power but if someone dont have gprs con and phone get off batterry can if dont know time auto set... |
| 01:41.39 | Drathir | sad but not all gsm operator have time stup by network... |
| 01:42.50 | nox- | yeah |
| 01:45.23 | *** join/#maemo croppa (~stuart@CPE-120-146-137-99.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 01:45.26 | *** join/#maemo gomiam (~magao@157.88.227.50) |
| 01:45.31 | *** join/#maemo LaoLang_cool (~LaoLang_c@221.226.175.142) |
| 01:49.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: date -d "2012-11-18 22:11" |
| 01:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/-d/-s/ |
| 01:49.44 | Drathir | lets try .flac work or not... |
| 01:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | for -s'etting instead -d'displaying |
| 01:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: generally the proper real date takes as weird shit as "next Friday teatime" |
| 01:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | though: |
| 01:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 01:51.26 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 01:57.36 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, it doesn't work, maybe I'm using stock busybox? |
| 01:57.44 | LaoLang_cool | I've tried it yesterday |
| 02:02.29 | *** join/#maemo croppa (~stuart@CPE-120-146-137-99.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 02:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, busybox is braindamaged |
| 02:03.53 | *** join/#maemo uen| (~uen@p5DCB25A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:06.44 | robbiethe1st | And yet, it's still better than what Windows Phone(TM) provides |
| 02:07.10 | jon_y | does windows phone have a console/terminal? |
| 02:07.20 | jon_y | no terminal/ssh == deal breaker :) |
| 02:07.23 | robbiethe1st | Exactly |
| 02:08.02 | jon_y | too bad most people don't need ssh |
| 02:08.14 | robbiethe1st | I can't live without it |
| 02:08.15 | jon_y | or is too hard to wrap their puny minds around it |
| 02:08.22 | robbiethe1st | I think so |
| 02:08.53 | jon_y | somebody should write a lovecraftian explanation of ssh :) |
| 02:09.12 | robbiethe1st | I mean, it's just /so/ useful to be able to search an entire directory tree for a string. Or use a loop to download X files from a site |
| 02:09.33 | jon_y | lovecraftian explanation would be awesome, I will send $100 internet dollars, about $0 US dollars |
| 02:09.36 | jon_y | :) |
| 02:10.01 | jon_y | not to mention file upload/download capabilities |
| 02:10.20 | jon_y | all pack into 1 awesome tool |
| 02:11.34 | robbiethe1st | Not to mention being able to, say, download a .doc file, convert it to .rtf, and open it in FBReader |
| 02:12.05 | robbiethe1st | And use a single, simple command to convert it. with a free program |
| 02:17.01 | *** join/#maemo Gear (d231ac6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.49.172.106) |
| 02:17.21 | Gear | does anyone still use the n900 as their main phone? |
| 02:17.43 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 02:17.56 | SpeedEvil | but I make very, very few calls |
| 02:18.08 | wmarone | same :) |
| 02:18.11 | SpeedEvil | it's actually now my landline phone too |
| 02:18.15 | SpeedEvil | sip |
| 02:18.29 | Gear | I have two and the speaker on my dying one is REALLY bad |
| 02:18.51 | SpeedEvil | :-\ |
| 02:19.11 | *** join/#maemo LaoLang_cool (~LaoLang_c@221.226.175.138) |
| 02:19.13 | Gear | I tried double sided taping it securely but it's quiet and crap |
| 02:19.43 | Gear | the other has pwnie express on it and that pretty much sucks |
| 02:20.31 | Gear | I haven't looked for decent apps for months, is there a list of "must have apps" that's recent? |
| 02:21.37 | SpeedEvil | haven't been looking |
| 02:21.42 | Drathir | jon_y: how can live without terminal this is like another hand... |
| 02:22.38 | jon_y | SpeedEvil: my DSL ISP give free landline calls |
| 02:22.53 | Drathir | .flac not recognized by n900 inside HAM also no packages... lets see apt... |
| 02:23.01 | SpeedEvil | inbound free sip here |
| 02:23.07 | jon_y | though there is that phone rent |
| 02:23.14 | SpeedEvil | paid if I want to make external |
| 02:23.36 | SpeedEvil | there are weird cell providers out there. |
| 02:23.40 | Drathir | Gear: i use too |
| 02:23.43 | SpeedEvil | aaisp.co.UK |
| 02:24.04 | SpeedEvil | they let you have'a'mobile with no number |
| 02:24.26 | SpeedEvil | it is hooked up to your SIP server |
| 02:24.37 | Drathir | Gear: "dying one" ^^ |
| 02:25.24 | SpeedEvil | similarly, you can have it hooked with data to your intranet |
| 02:25.32 | Gear | yeah it's been dropped and beaten and scratched, I give it about another 6? months before it becomes a cracking phone only |
| 02:26.30 | Gear | the parts are too expensive now and the hong kong ripoff parts mostly don't work |
| 02:27.05 | Drathir | not biggest part of the sip have internal traffic fee ? |
| 02:27.13 | ShadowJK | uses N900 as main phone |
| 02:27.28 | ShadowJK | yesterday I was also using the spare N900 as main internets |
| 02:27.28 | SpeedEvil | Drathir: sip out to landlines |
| 02:27.54 | Gear | hah so this is where the diehard n900 fans are |
| 02:28.31 | ShadowJK | my main N900 is actually my third one, first two died cellmodem death |
| 02:29.40 | Drathir | Gear: allegro.pl sometimes can find broken phones to buy in other countries not have? |
| 02:29.44 | *** join/#maemo Gear_ (d231ac6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.49.172.106) |
| 02:29.52 | Gear_ | yay wifi |
| 02:30.40 | Gear_ | do you think there will ever be another open source phone like this |
| 02:30.50 | Gear_ | or is this the "last of the v8 interceptors" |
| 02:31.20 | Drathir | ShadowJK: but you put ther for someone one to tablet use? |
| 02:31.34 | Drathir | or wifi also dead? |
| 02:33.08 | ShadowJK | it sits unused |
| 02:33.27 | Drathir | i waiting for more info about new open source phones annouunced some time ago... |
| 02:33.27 | ShadowJK | suspects "last of the v8 interceptors" :-( |
| 02:34.07 | Gear_ | raspberry pi and arduino are exploding though... arduino is radioshack stuff now |
| 02:34.17 | Drathir | altervative to android one... |
| 02:34.38 | Gear_ | that's gonna recruit a whole host of REALLY young open source people |
| 02:35.00 | Drathir | with few bigger company connected to work on it... |
| 02:35.24 | Drathir | but name of it forget must look for it... |
| 02:36.31 | Drathir | Gear_: friends in few days have had new shiny Pi Pi i waiting to test that stuff... |
| 02:37.21 | Drathir | sad that n900 dont have mods to 256 or 512 mb ram thats be awesome... |
| 02:37.43 | Gear_ | don't they have 256mb of ram already |
| 02:37.55 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 02:37.57 | Gear_ | 512 would be good |
| 02:38.00 | Drathir | a lot of speed and second live |
| 02:38.19 | Drathir | Gear_: free for user i mean... sorry... |
| 02:38.50 | ShadowJK | measuring the amount of free is near impossible too |
| 02:39.52 | Drathir | 512 total will be enough for second born... |
| 02:40.08 | ShadowJK | In an updated version I'd like to see 2G ram |
| 02:40.54 | Drathir | ShadowJK: dreams but good dreams... |
| 02:41.42 | Drathir | propably dont put because will be to powerfull... |
| 02:42.32 | Drathir | netboks also have cutted ram... so sad... |
| 02:46.20 | Drathir | anyone try running other systems on n900? not default but second system... |
| 02:46.56 | Sc0rpius | you mean like running Android or Mer or whatever? |
| 02:47.13 | Sc0rpius | I used to do that but I always go back to Maemo since everything else really sucks in the N900 |
| 02:47.32 | Drathir | Sc0rpius: yes i think abour archlinux arm |
| 02:47.56 | Sc0rpius | well since the N900 is my main and only phone, I need it as a phone |
| 02:48.00 | Sc0rpius | so ArchLinux is not an option |
| 02:48.19 | *** join/#maemo stardiviner (~stardivin@122.236.254.149) |
| 02:48.30 | Drathir | Sc0rpius: is very risky try to run second system? |
| 02:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: flac support in some gstreamer-codec-support-dirty|extras|clean|$foo |
| 02:48.41 | Sc0rpius | no, totally safe |
| 02:48.55 | Sc0rpius | usually you want to install the second OS in a microSD card |
| 02:49.00 | Sc0rpius | so your main filesystem is untouched |
| 02:49.14 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks i will take it from apt |
| 02:49.25 | Sc0rpius | you can even have several microSD cards with different OS on each |
| 02:50.35 | Drathir | Sc0rpius: yes you right if its main... |
| 02:51.43 | Drathir | but interesting why decide to take debian for base of the stystem, because will be first ? |
| 02:53.19 | Drathir | Sc0rpius: when i better know default system i try to have fun with discover new options, but that take me some time... |
| 02:56.09 | Sc0rpius | are you a new user of the N900? |
| 02:56.12 | Sc0rpius | that would be weird. |
| 03:02.26 | *** join/#maemo dhbiker (~dhbiker@193.2.218.150) |
| 03:08.22 | *** join/#maemo benny_ (~chatzilla@c-24-13-208-199.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:14.57 | Drathir | someone have compiled pastebincl ? |
| 03:15.09 | Drathir | Sc0rpius: yes few days... |
| 03:15.31 | Drathir | Sc0rpius: why wired? |
| 03:15.57 | Drathir | im now im noob with many "o" |
| 03:15.57 | Sc0rpius | because the N900 is an obsolete phone and has been obsolete since ages |
| 03:16.08 | Sc0rpius | why would anyone buy a N900 today? |
| 03:16.17 | robbiethe1st | would |
| 03:16.33 | Drathir | Sc0rpius: better than djaviks ones... |
| 03:17.18 | Drathir | android looks to poor for me than clean linux... |
| 03:18.02 | Sc0rpius | it is poor |
| 03:18.29 | Sc0rpius | the multitasking problem is a big problem for me in new phones |
| 03:18.30 | Sc0rpius | for example |
| 03:18.37 | Sc0rpius | I really dig those Nokia Lumias |
| 03:18.45 | Sc0rpius | and Windows Phone COULD be a nice OS, but it isn't |
| 03:18.50 | Sc0rpius | it doesn't even support background sockets |
| 03:19.00 | Sc0rpius | that means, you connect SSH to somewhere, switch application, bye bye your SSH session |
| 03:19.02 | Sc0rpius | and that's TERRIBLE |
| 03:19.56 | Drathir | lol better i dont say anything about new nokia phones... hrhr |
| 03:22.38 | *** join/#maemo pcfe` (~pcfe@brln-d9ba4615.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 03:22.39 | *** join/#maemo pcfe` (~pcfe@redhat/pcfe) |
| 03:24.07 | Drathir | all time like nokia phones will be top that now think all new going to be the worst of one... |
| 03:30.45 | *** join/#maemo rc_ (~rcg@g230053071.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 03:36.08 | *** join/#maemo Muelli (~muelli@port-17670.pppoe.wtnet.de) |
| 03:37.19 | *** join/#maemo Smily (Smily@89.142.211.200) |
| 03:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: ogg-support - Ogg/Vorbis/Flac support for n900 |
| 03:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | decoders-support - Support for additional video and audio decoders in the Media Player |
| 03:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno which if both |
| 03:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | of* |
| 03:57.33 | *** join/#maemo MetalGearSolid (~MetalGear@snw-125-187.tm.net.my) |
| 04:02.51 | *** join/#maemo kimitake (~kimitake@75.0.179.211) |
| 04:04.12 | *** join/#maemo DocScrutinizer05 (~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 04:07.17 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: now looking how with apt check detailed info about packages what dependencies contain... |
| 04:13.02 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok second include first pkg |
| 04:13.46 | *** join/#maemo jonne|reconnecte (~jonne@109.133.80.44) |
| 04:15.00 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn117 (~jdfgf@c-67-173-101-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:20.24 | *** join/#maemo Gh0sty (~ghosty@77.109.101.66) |
| 04:21.28 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: works perfect... thanks |
| 04:21.55 | Drathir | btw noce dropbox app is... |
| 04:23.56 | *** join/#maemo robbiethe1st (~robbiethe@71-221-196-99.spkn.qwest.net) |
| 04:26.05 | Drathir | now time to ipv6 configure... |
| 04:30.08 | Macer | sigh |
| 04:30.14 | Macer | mer/active is still fail for mainstream stuff |
| 04:30.21 | Macer | :) |
| 04:30.31 | Macer | i doubt i will ever see a productive tablet with active on it |
| 04:30.42 | Macer | stuck with win8, ios, or ad-droid forever it seems |
| 04:30.50 | Macer | i want maemo back :( |
| 04:31.44 | robbiethe1st | I'm hoping for enough support in Plasma Active that we could at least get a good, flagship tablet with good support for it |
| 04:32.02 | jon_y | sounds like the tragedy of the commons |
| 04:32.16 | robbiethe1st | I mean, so far I'm not seeing anything as good as the N900 by todays standards |
| 04:32.26 | jon_y | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.50 | jon_y | sounds elitist but is true |
| 04:32.51 | robbiethe1st | It's rare to find a phone device with greater than 800x480 res, and even rarer to find one with a HW keyboard |
| 04:33.04 | benny_ | im right with you |
| 04:33.10 | benny_ | i miss my n900 |
| 04:33.20 | Macer | i still use my n900 tethered heh |
| 04:33.44 | Macer | but it's awful... i would have expected at least some unofficial hackery to have gotten mer/active going on a tf101 |
| 04:33.54 | Macer | i saw a video a long time ago .. i would have thought it would be mainstream by now |
| 04:36.14 | *** join/#maemo benny (~benny@c-24-13-208-199.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:41.23 | *** join/#maemo eljefe (~eljefe@c-24-13-208-199.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:44.31 | *** join/#maemo eljefe (~eljefe@c-24-13-208-199.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:46.32 | *** join/#maemo dhbiker (~dhbiker@95.87.145.172) |
| 04:50.48 | Macer | guess not |
| 04:50.49 | Macer | heh |
| 04:50.50 | Macer | ah well |
| 04:50.54 | Macer | ad-droid it is :-/ |
| 04:51.10 | *** join/#maemo radic (~radic@dslb-088-065-150-119.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:04.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | loud MEH on plasma |
| 05:05.44 | robbiethe1st | I like it because it's KDE, relatively stock |
| 05:05.58 | robbiethe1st | which means I could likely set it up to run real KDE on it |
| 05:06.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | plasma is about the first thing I can think of why I'd like to nuke KDE4 |
| 05:06.04 | robbiethe1st | and/or switch between interfaces |
| 05:08.35 | *** join/#maemo [DarkGUNMAN] (~n.a@host86-147-92-145.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) |
| 05:11.03 | *** join/#maemo DarkGUNMAN (~n.a@host86-176-81-238.range86-176.btcentralplus.com) |
| 05:19.02 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn117 (~jdfgf@c-67-173-101-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 05:25.06 | *** join/#maemo sirdancealota (~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz) |
| 05:37.34 | *** join/#maemo [DarkGUNMAN] (~n.a@host31-52-217-31.range31-52.btcentralplus.com) |
| 05:45.33 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn118 (~jdfgf@193.104.113.22) |
| 05:46.13 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn119 (~jdfgf@187.45.181.180) |
| 05:47.09 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1110 (~jdfgf@188-165-141-21.ovh.net) |
| 05:50.31 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1111 (~jdfgf@188-165-2-162.ovh.net) |
| 05:52.03 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1112 (~jdfgf@c-67-173-101-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 06:01.35 | Drathir | jon_y: btw adds utorrent also have adds but in options can off |
| 06:06.50 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1113 (~jdfgf@193.104.113.37) |
| 06:08.21 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1114 (~jdfgf@c-67-173-101-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 06:50.32 | jon_y | Drathir: utorrent started getting annoying around 3.x |
| 06:50.51 | jon_y | qbittorent is the closest Free clone |
| 06:51.03 | jon_y | it's actually not too bad |
| 06:51.43 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1114 (~jdfgf@94-23-77-241.ovh.net) |
| 06:52.42 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1115 (~jdfgf@46.183.218.202) |
| 06:59.06 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1116 (~jdfgf@c-67-173-101-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:02.30 | *** join/#maemo livelace (~livelace@62.192.242.235) |
| 07:11.07 | *** join/#maemo shamus (~shamus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) |
| 07:12.15 | kerio | jon_y: you mean transmission >:( |
| 07:12.26 | kerio | actually maybe not, idk if there's a windows port |
| 07:17.29 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1116 (~jdfgf@201.151.147.6) |
| 07:20.25 | *** join/#maemo internetishard (~root@c-98-210-156-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:23.09 | internetishard | Anyone in the community offering pre-customized images of maemo? Could be a good way to get back to a certain clean configuration. |
| 07:25.39 | jon_y | kerio: it does |
| 07:25.54 | jon_y | UI is very different from utorrent though |
| 07:26.19 | jon_y | hence qbitorrent is a clone in this regard |
| 07:26.39 | internetishard | qbittorrent kicks ass |
| 07:27.50 | jon_y | no Windows binaries for transmission |
| 07:27.59 | jon_y | wiki says is buildable though |
| 07:28.23 | jon_y | I wouldn't poke it just yet since qbitorrent is running perfectly fine on my windows box |
| 07:42.28 | kerio | internetishard: vi__ has been fighting with fiasco-gen since yesterday trying to do exactly that |
| 07:43.58 | *** join/#maemo LaoLang_cool (~LaoLang_c@221.226.175.139) |
| 07:44.04 | *** join/#maemo lxp1 (~lxp@212-183-124-134.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 07:51.51 | *** join/#maemo LaoLang_cool (~LaoLang_c@221.226.175.139) |
| 07:51.53 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1117 (~jdfgf@c-67-173-101-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:56.02 | LaoLang_cool | N900's memory is so small, 256MB... |
| 08:08.45 | *** join/#maemo Milhouse (~irc_milho@Maemo/community/contributor/Milhouse) |
| 08:16.17 | *** join/#maemo jhb (~joerg@p579F6D41.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:18.52 | kerio | how do i check if i can write to a file in a shell script? |
| 08:19.47 | tadzik | check if it's writable? |
| 08:20.14 | tadzik | the only things that come to my mind are ugly hacks with perl -MFile::stat or awking ls -l |
| 08:20.21 | kerio | tadzik: plenty of ways to make a 0777 file that can't be written to |
| 08:20.44 | tadzik | such as? |
| 08:21.29 | kerio | IO errors |
| 08:21.30 | kerio | ACL |
| 08:21.31 | jon_y | kerio: see test(1) |
| 08:21.53 | jon_y | or [(1) |
| 08:22.04 | kerio | jon_y: i kinda want to just open it in write mode |
| 08:22.10 | kerio | i can't do that with a shell script though |
| 08:22.25 | jon_y | in a shell script, you just use the test command |
| 08:23.03 | jon_y | if test -w $file_writable then... fi |
| 08:23.17 | jon_y | no need to open/close |
| 08:24.10 | jon_y | if [ -w $file ]; then... is also fine |
| 08:24.39 | freemangordon | could someone check how much heap hildon-ststus-menu uses? |
| 08:25.06 | kerio | meh |
| 08:25.34 | Drathir | kerio: ls -all |
| 08:28.37 | *** join/#maemo Darkchaos (~darkchaos@i59F4AEE8.versanet.de) |
| 08:29.38 | *** join/#maemo sasquatch (~username@p57958038.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:29.43 | Drathir | jon_y: ye qbittorrent is nice but i use deluge best speed and console/web acces... |
| 08:32.14 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 08:46.58 | *** join/#maemo OkropNick (kuba@host-n2-72-190.telpol.net.pl) |
| 08:58.56 | *** join/#maemo valerius (~user@31.23.244.251) |
| 09:14.14 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (~pcfe@brln-4dbad5b2.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 09:14.15 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (~pcfe@redhat/pcfe) |
| 09:16.32 | kerio | Drathir: why not transmission? |
| 09:16.41 | kerio | i still found it lighter than deluge |
| 09:39.36 | *** join/#maemo MrPingu (~MrPingute@86.92.226.97) |
| 09:52.29 | *** join/#maemo NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD2822F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:00.47 | *** join/#maemo psychologe (~user@124.160.210.170) |
| 10:01.05 | *** join/#maemo M4rtinK (~M4rtinK@46.227.13.46) |
| 10:03.04 | psychologe | has somebody used CLI send sms seccuss, i see this thread ,but use this python script can't send sms. |
| 10:03.13 | psychologe | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36148&page=1 |
| 10:25.42 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 10:26.53 | *** join/#maemo iDont (~iDont@dhcp-077-250-143-002.chello.nl) |
| 10:36.29 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 10:41.19 | *** join/#maemo NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD2822F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:47.20 | *** join/#maemo Rantwolf (~rantwolf@static-217-17-207-54.net.encoline.de) |
| 10:59.30 | *** join/#maemo StyXman (~mdione@ant06-1-82-242-111-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:59.31 | *** join/#maemo StyXman (~mdione@grulic/root/StyXman) |
| 11:08.07 | *** join/#maemo thedead1440 (~chatzilla@cm53.sigma102.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 11:12.43 | internetishard | kerio: vi__: good to know |
| 11:13.01 | internetishard | never heard of fiasco-gen though |
| 11:15.25 | *** join/#maemo kolp (~quassel@212.255.20.168) |
| 11:17.13 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 11:42.19 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 11:47.08 | *** join/#maemo valerius (~user@95.153.166.73) |
| 11:47.58 | *** join/#maemo dos1 (~dos@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 11:54.18 | *** join/#maemo Wizzup__ (~merlijn@nala.villavu.com) |
| 11:54.39 | Wizzup__ | kerio: I've confirmed it is not a maemo issue. Gentoo + blueman/bluez has the same issues. Initial PIN works fine. Reconnecting is a pure pain. |
| 11:54.49 | Wizzup__ | I think.. |
| 12:01.07 | Wizzup__ | Actually, it works quite well... |
| 12:01.12 | Wizzup__ | Interesting... |
| 12:01.19 | Wizzup__ | (quite well on my laptop) |
| 12:04.51 | *** join/#maemo maybeArgh (~cl@p5B164D09.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:09.48 | kerio | Wizzup__: hm |
| 12:09.54 | kerio | well, freemangordon is online, so you can ask him |
| 12:09.59 | kerio | (he's the extkbd dude) |
| 12:13.34 | Wizzup__ | Hopefully he'll see this, since you just hl'd him :) |
| 12:28.16 | *** join/#maemo valerius (~user@31.23.244.251) |
| 12:32.27 | *** join/#maemo FReaper-PC (~FR@2001:e68:2000:6e0d:ad74:a82c:c4d1:ca55) |
| 12:33.49 | *** join/#maemo MrPingu (~MrPingute@86.92.226.97) |
| 12:37.28 | *** join/#maemo jhb (~joerg@87.159.109.65) |
| 12:41.59 | *** join/#maemo Darkchaos2 (~darkchaos@i59F7AA83.versanet.de) |
| 12:59.48 | *** join/#maemo Hoolxi (~Openfree@117.144.69.176) |
| 12:59.52 | *** join/#maemo FReaper-PC (~FR@2001:e68:2000:6e0d:ad74:a82c:c4d1:ca55) |
| 13:05.27 | *** join/#maemo mp_ (~mp@77-255-57-33.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 13:05.42 | *** join/#maemo sq-one (~sq-one@hfuopen951.hfu-open.fu.hs-furtwangen.de) |
| 13:06.23 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 13:07.29 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 13:10.08 | *** join/#maemo valerius (~user@109.165.15.83) |
| 13:16.38 | *** join/#maemo Muelli (~muelli@port-17670.pppoe.wtnet.de) |
| 13:20.39 | *** join/#maemo ilink_sycbase (~i_k@92.40.254.166.threembb.co.uk) |
| 13:22.27 | *** join/#maemo florian (~fuchs@Maemo/community/contributor/florian) |
| 13:25.17 | *** join/#maemo dene (~dene@c-24-13-208-199.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 13:27.28 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 13:39.00 | *** part/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 13:42.03 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 13:43.05 | *** join/#maemo mvp_ (~mvp@port463.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 13:43.23 | *** join/#maemo vi__ (~user@87.114.157.7) |
| 13:47.03 | *** join/#maemo shanttu (~shanttu@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff55c100-11.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 13:53.30 | *** join/#maemo toxarisswe (~toxaris@s83-180-246-172.cust.tele2.se) |
| 13:56.49 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 14:05.47 | *** join/#maemo valdyn_ (~valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 14:06.32 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 14:16.42 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 14:19.01 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 14:36.41 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 14:50.43 | *** join/#maemo pInvoke (~pInvoke@p579BEF0A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:54.31 | *** join/#maemo valerius (~user@95.153.180.210) |
| 14:56.52 | *** join/#maemo MrPingu (~MrPingute@86.92.226.97) |
| 14:57.21 | freemangordon | could someone without CSSU check and report what is memory usage of /usr/bin/osso-abook-home-applet |
| 14:57.40 | freemangordon | s/is/is the/ |
| 15:04.12 | SpeedEvil | 560 532"635 3796 |
| 15:04.36 | SpeedEvil | that's |
| 15:05.08 | SpeedEvil | swap, unique pages, proportional size, RSS |
| 15:05.23 | SpeedEvil | k, not pages |
| 15:05.27 | SpeedEvil | 'smem' |
| 15:06.28 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: may I have the output of |
| 15:06.31 | freemangordon | grep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps |
| 15:06.38 | Drathir | SpeedEvil: how you check that? |
| 15:06.52 | Drathir | oh... i see... |
| 15:07.23 | SpeedEvil | smem - it's a python thing that works fine on n900 |
| 15:07.34 | SpeedEvil | RSS is a lie |
| 15:07.40 | SpeedEvil | moment |
| 15:07.46 | *** join/#maemo alehorst (~alehorst@177.42.14.23) |
| 15:09.22 | SpeedEvil | oh neat |
| 15:09.28 | SpeedEvil | much the same output |
| 15:09.47 | SpeedEvil | or not |
| 15:10.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps|tr -d '\n' |
| 15:12.59 | SpeedEvil | size 660, RSS 380, PSS 362, 0/20/4/356/96/240 |
| 15:13.00 | *** join/#maemo BigBoxD__ (~BigBoxDri@p4FF9A5A6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:13.22 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: is your address book empty? |
| 15:13.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 15:13.29 | SpeedEvil | mostly |
| 15:13.35 | SpeedEvil | 5ish items |
| 15:13.39 | *** join/#maemo bnr32 (~bnr32@77-255-57-33.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 15:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps|tr '\n' '!' |
| 15:13.48 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: yeah, looks like |
| 15:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ even better |
| 15:15.37 | freemangordon | it deffinitely looks like address book copy is kept in memory for every process using libosso-abook :( |
| 15:16.39 | Drathir | with csu 624 is big vaule? |
| 15:20.13 | *** join/#maemo inz (~inz@2002:c140:1f0f::2) |
| 15:20.32 | Wizzup__ | kerio: heh.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32908157 |
| 15:20.38 | Wizzup__ | Let's just blame the Keyboard then |
| 15:20.59 | kerio | Wizzup__: :( |
| 15:21.09 | kerio | silly people supporting only one brand of device |
| 15:21.50 | kerio | i wonder if there's a bluetooth confederation that you can contact |
| 15:22.01 | kerio | because their keyboard is definetely not a HID BT keyboard |
| 15:22.13 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 15:22.32 | Wizzup__ | well, again, it only works the first time. May be interesting to know how ipad ``reconnects'' |
| 15:23.14 | *** join/#maemo valerius (~user@85.26.180.145) |
| 15:23.55 | kerio | Wizzup__: probably by not having a good standard in security, and accepting an unauthed, unencrypted keyboard |
| 15:23.59 | kerio | or something |
| 15:25.40 | Wizzup__ | kerio: last night I tried modifying some hid config file on n900 to set auth and enc to none, but that also did not help |
| 15:25.52 | Wizzup__ | I may debug more on my laptop later, but rsi is killing me, so not now |
| 15:30.44 | *** join/#maemo inz (inz@inz.fi) |
| 15:30.45 | *** join/#maemo NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD2822F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:33.00 | *** join/#maemo jhb (~joerg@p579F6D41.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:35.14 | *** join/#maemo jhb1 (~joerg@p579F6D41.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:36.05 | *** join/#maemo inz (inz@inz.fi) |
| 15:38.33 | *** join/#maemo XDZVGZAVGAS (~NUMONE@110.137.188.190) |
| 15:44.39 | *** join/#maemo BigBoxDr_ (~BigBoxDri@p4FF9A5A6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:49.38 | kerio | Wizzup__: if you've got rsi, why do you want to use a BT keyboard? :P |
| 15:50.11 | *** join/#maemo mp_ (~mp@77-255-57-33.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 15:52.33 | vi__ | kerio: what is wrong with his bt kbd? |
| 15:53.17 | kerio | vi__: it doesn't work when you connect for the second time to it |
| 15:53.38 | vi__ | hid? |
| 15:54.13 | kerio | yep |
| 15:54.26 | kerio | but the manufacturer said it's only for iShit devices |
| 15:54.56 | Wizzup__ | (which I knew when I bought it, but still) |
| 15:58.35 | kerio | guy a GK308 |
| 15:59.35 | kerio | *buy |
| 15:59.39 | kerio | or a Matias |
| 16:01.04 | vi__ | [51644.412200] Forced hostmode error: a high-speed device attached but not high-speed mode selected |
| 16:01.21 | vi__ | goddamned hen bullshit. |
| 16:01.22 | kerio | the iGo stowaway is really tiny, but the layout is a bit weird and there are no dedicated number keys |
| 16:01.29 | kerio | vi__: what is this? |
| 16:01.38 | kerio | also just do things manually |
| 16:01.52 | vi__ | kerio: how? |
| 16:02.03 | vi__ | I am doing it manually. |
| 16:02.14 | Drathir | vi__: some wireless keyboard have to nees oryginal reciver to work.. |
| 16:02.33 | kerio | Drathir: *bluetooth* |
| 16:02.45 | Drathir | kerio: yes |
| 16:02.51 | kerio | bluetooth is bluetooth |
| 16:03.42 | Drathir | have own adapter with special encryption that only works with one reciver adapter conneced to pc... |
| 16:04.15 | kerio | that would not be bluetooth |
| 16:04.58 | Drathir | with another bt adapter keyboard ward is not see... |
| 16:04.59 | kerio | vi__: echoing the correct things to the sysfs nodes? |
| 16:05.20 | Drathir | logitech if good remember have one that... |
| 16:05.58 | vi__ | I just wanted to mount a HDD is all. It never works right. |
| 16:06.36 | *** join/#maemo FlameReaper-PC (~FR@2001:e68:2000:6e0d:9e1:807:1336:c5cf) |
| 16:06.53 | kerio | vi__: HDDs are a bitch |
| 16:06.57 | kerio | connect a powered hub before |
| 16:07.14 | kerio | ...and Pali's battery measurer tells me that my battery is 101% charged |
| 16:07.32 | kerio | for fuck's sake, what's his stupid obsession with rx51-battery |
| 16:07.37 | kerio | i don't get it |
| 16:08.15 | vi__ | kerio: the hdd is self powered. |
| 16:08.26 | kerio | vi__: \_o_/ |
| 16:08.28 | kerio | just keep trying a bit |
| 16:08.32 | kerio | enumeration is still a bitch |
| 16:08.48 | vi__ | enumeration doesnt work. |
| 16:08.50 | vi__ | ffs. |
| 16:09.32 | kerio | ask DocScrutinizer05 for help |
| 16:09.46 | kerio | if you want to be told "rmmod those weird modules and use h-e-n" |
| 16:10.51 | Wizzup__ | kerio: I'll look into that one |
| 16:11.17 | kerio | Wizzup__: anyway, i thought you said something about toying with hcitool to make the keyboard work? |
| 16:12.09 | vi__ | I am using hen |
| 16:12.16 | vi__ | finally it enumerated. |
| 16:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I'm confused who might have introduced that oddly worded "error" |
| 16:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) it's not an error b) it's grammatically incorrect |
| 16:14.06 | kerio | and yeah, that's definetely pali |
| 16:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh 'sounds' like pali |
| 16:14.24 | kerio | are you sure you're using h-e-n and not usbmode(.sh)? |
| 16:14.35 | vi__ | wtf are you taliking about? |
| 16:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I suspect pali messing with hostmode patches to KP |
| 16:14.49 | Wizzup__ | kerio: yes, I did something, but I cannot repeat/reproduce it |
| 16:14.55 | vi__ | I am using kernel-cssu3, thumb and HEN. |
| 16:15.42 | Wizzup__ | I still want to try a laser-ir keyboard...hehe |
| 16:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: this 'error' msg is most likely a kernel message from musb_hdrc |
| 16:15.50 | kerio | Wizzup__: no, you don't >:c |
| 16:15.54 | Wizzup__ | Are they terrible |
| 16:15.55 | Wizzup__ | ? |
| 16:16.04 | Wizzup__ | I really like the idea |
| 16:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I seem to recall sth like "added error messages to hostmode" in KP changelog |
| 16:17.09 | vi__ | how the shitters does my disc have a fat32 partition on it? |
| 16:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | which already puzzled me back when, since I'm sure we had sufficient diagnostic output in original hostmode kernel |
| 16:17.58 | Wizzup__ | Isn't MyDocs fat, vi__ ? |
| 16:18.21 | kerio | Wizzup__: i think he's talking about his usb hdd |
| 16:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: *maybe* you mounted a superfloppy (no partition table)? |
| 16:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: check mount |
| 16:20.47 | vi__ | Wizzup__: I am partitioning gthe HDD on my router. |
| 16:21.15 | kerio | vi__: a new HDD? |
| 16:21.49 | vi__ | kerio: yeah |
| 16:21.52 | *** join/#maemo BigBoxDr_ (~BigBoxDri@p4FF9A5A6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:21.57 | kerio | there was probably a partition already there |
| 16:22.00 | kerio | kill it with fire |
| 16:23.30 | *** join/#maemo M4rtinK (~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu) |
| 16:29.26 | vi__ | fat32 what a joke. |
| 16:29.42 | vi__ | why we are stuck with such legacy BS? |
| 16:29.52 | *** join/#maemo shamus (~shamus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) |
| 16:33.31 | kerio | vi__: because people keep using windows xp |
| 16:33.47 | kerio | and neither os x nor windows support ext* or btrfs |
| 16:34.13 | Wizzup__ | is btrfs even declared stable yet |
| 16:35.29 | *** join/#maemo fuz_ (nobody@vau75-10-88-164-23-88.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:35.31 | kerio | Wizzup__: nope |
| 16:36.02 | kerio | but then again, i don't particularly trust fat32 either |
| 16:36.27 | *** join/#maemo BigBoxDr_ (~BigBoxDri@p4FF9A5A6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:36.41 | vi__ | I expect everything from my mp3 player to my server to support reiser5 |
| 16:38.53 | kerio | you know who's not going to support reiser5? |
| 16:39.04 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:39.21 | kerio | nina reiser |
| 16:39.26 | kerio | yes, i went there |
| 16:39.33 | Wizzup__ | *sigh* |
| 16:39.39 | Wizzup__ | Can be make mcafee jokes too now t hen |
| 16:39.44 | vi__ | shakes his head. |
| 16:39.55 | Wizzup__ | ( http://gizmodo.com/5959812/john-mcafee-wanted-for-murder ) |
| 16:41.20 | kerio | Wizzup__: bonus points for linking to a neat story, malus points for linking to gizmodo |
| 16:43.54 | Wizzup__ | ☺ |
| 16:44.30 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (~pcfe@brln-4dbc1a9c.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 16:44.31 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (~pcfe@redhat/pcfe) |
| 16:55.17 | *** part/#maemo MetalGearSolid (~MetalGear@snw-125-187.tm.net.my) |
| 17:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup__: oooold |
| 17:05.36 | Wizzup__ | I know ... reiser is even older :) |
| 17:10.04 | *** join/#maemo livelace (~livelace@62.192.242.235) |
| 17:17.08 | *** join/#maemo eijk (~eijk@e178223086.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:23.24 | *** join/#maemo maybeHere (~cl@p5B16556F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:29.40 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 17:34.01 | *** join/#maemo bennypr0fane (~bennsn@vie-188-118-241-192.dsl.sil.at) |
| 17:35.29 | bennypr0fane | hello does anyone know where to find kerne power |
| 17:38.08 | FIQ|n900 | in the repositories I bet |
| 17:38.42 | *** join/#maemo ced117 (~ced117@AStrasbourg-552-1-31-163.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:38.42 | *** join/#maemo ced117 (~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117) |
| 17:38.49 | FIQ|n900 | kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel (kernel power 2.6.28.10) |
| 17:39.06 | bennypr0fane | sorry my IRC got hung up |
| 17:39.14 | bennypr0fane | I meant kp version 52 |
| 17:39.37 | FIQ|n900 | well if that one doesn't provide kp52, I dunno what does |
| 17:39.44 | FIQ|n900 | I don't use kp currently |
| 17:39.51 | bennypr0fane | it's in devel, right? |
| 17:39.57 | FIQ|n900 | probably |
| 17:40.31 | bennypr0fane | Is 52 even the latest? and does it work with thumb/does it come thumb compiled? |
| 17:41.09 | bennypr0fane | oof, forgot to switch on devel before updating ham |
| 17:41.30 | FIQ|n900 | ~ham |
| 17:41.30 | infobot | methinks ham is Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 17:42.08 | bennypr0fane | yes, that. I just installed CSSU-thumb |
| 17:42.17 | bennypr0fane | new Firefoy just crashes on me |
| 17:42.23 | bennypr0fane | *Firefox |
| 17:42.30 | FIQ|n900 | cssu-thumb? |
| 17:42.36 | bennypr0fane | yes |
| 17:42.54 | FIQ|n900 | what's that? |
| 17:42.59 | FIQ|n900 | never heard of |
| 17:43.02 | kerio | bennypr0fane: KP52 is still a prerelease |
| 17:43.06 | *** join/#maemo iDont (~iDont@dhcp-077-250-143-002.chello.nl) |
| 17:43.17 | kerio | FIQ|n900: it's a secret |
| 17:43.39 | FIQ|n900 | a secret that google knows about |
| 17:44.30 | bennypr0fane | kerio pre-release, as in unstable? |
| 17:44.48 | kerio | bennypr0fane: prerelease as in "still subject to change and not released officially" |
| 17:45.24 | bennypr0fane | FIQ|n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829&highlight=thumb2 |
| 17:45.42 | bennypr0fane | Anyone in here using CSSU-thumb? |
| 17:48.52 | bennypr0fane | I upgraded Fennec to v17 after installing thumb, but starts adn crashes right away... |
| 17:50.29 | *** join/#maemo ron0062000 (~ron006200@cpe-72-181-242-49.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 17:52.23 | kerio | bennypr0fane: worksforme |
| 17:55.47 | bennypr0fane | maybe I did something wrong... |
| 17:56.06 | kerio | run it from xterm and see if there are error messages |
| 17:56.28 | bennypr0fane | the command is fennec or firefox? |
| 17:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever expands to a valid command on pressing <tab> |
| 17:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though I could figure they missed to have a proper symlink in /usr/bin and rather start the binary on /opt via FQN in .desktop - dunno) |
| 17:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (just like alarmed...) |
| 18:01.27 | bennypr0fane | uhm, which is the tab key? |
| 18:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | in osso-xterm you got one in the hotkey bar usually |
| 18:02.22 | bennypr0fane | ah, ok |
| 18:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | called "Tab" |
| 18:02.37 | FIQ|n900 | ctrl-i should work too usually |
| 18:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 18:03.15 | bennypr0fane | I wonder if I shoulda removed the previous version of fennec first |
| 18:03.46 | FIQ|n900 | is fennec still insanely slow nowdays? |
| 18:03.57 | FIQ|n900 | it was last time when I used it... |
| 18:04.04 | FIQ|n900 | (which was 2011) |
| 18:04.43 | bennypr0fane | how are newer thumb-versions of apps handled? I mean should it be replaced the same as if it were non-thumb? |
| 18:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | last i heard been "firefox way faster than fenec" |
| 18:05.13 | FIQ|n900 | uh |
| 18:05.26 | kerio | what? |
| 18:05.27 | bennypr0fane | fennec gives Segmentation fault. what does it mean? |
| 18:05.27 | FIQ|n900 | firefox as in firefox-desktop...? |
| 18:05.28 | kerio | :s |
| 18:05.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | also a year ago or somesuch |
| 18:05.42 | kerio | fennec from cssu-thumb is actually usable |
| 18:05.50 | bennypr0fane | well I'm pretty sure progress has been made since then |
| 18:06.01 | FIQ|n900 | me too |
| 18:06.08 | FIQ|n900 | but is it *usable*? |
| 18:06.31 | FIQ|n900 | I don't like microB but there's hardly better choices... or at least there was |
| 18:06.39 | bennypr0fane | until I xwithced to thumb just now, I used Fennec 7, which seemed not slower than MicroB |
| 18:06.48 | bennypr0fane | so yes, usable to me |
| 18:06.57 | FIQ|n900 | ok interesting |
| 18:07.11 | bennypr0fane | and latest Thumb so |
| 18:07.19 | bennypr0fane | *** damn typos |
| 18:07.26 | bennypr0fane | should be a bit more so |
| 18:07.37 | FIQ|n900 | i'll not use thumb before it's deemed stable |
| 18:07.51 | bennypr0fane | Thumb is deemed stable |
| 18:07.52 | FIQ|n900 | (currently on cssu S4.1 |
| 18:07.54 | FIQ|n900 | ) |
| 18:08.11 | bennypr0fane | I think otherwise they wouldn't pout that in the thread title |
| 18:08.33 | bennypr0fane | please guys what is a segmantation fault and what do I do about it? |
| 18:08.37 | FIQ|n900 | "stable thumb2" |
| 18:08.54 | kerio | bennypr0fane: "something blew up" |
| 18:08.55 | FIQ|n900 | i.e. stable thumb2 binaries |
| 18:09.17 | FIQ|n900 | that doesn't mean that the release itself is stable over not using thumb2 at all |
| 18:10.01 | kerio | to be fair, it *should* be the same as cssu-testing |
| 18:10.04 | kerio | i mean, it's the same source code |
| 18:10.07 | FIQ|n900 | also it seems to require cssu testing, another thing that from what I can see is against it beins stable |
| 18:10.10 | kerio | just recompiled |
| 18:10.21 | FIQ|n900 | *being |
| 18:10.26 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: I use cssu-stable |
| 18:10.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: it seems there's not much known about problems with thumb system |
| 18:10.40 | bennypr0fane | What does that mean "stable over x" the way I see it, there is a defintion of stable, and it either fits that defintion or not |
| 18:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | err not many known problems with thumb |
| 18:11.11 | FIQ|n900 | So even if it's indeed stable, it still requires me to upgrade to cssu unstable :) |
| 18:11.30 | kerio | bennypr0fane: fennec confimed workingforme |
| 18:11.35 | *** join/#maemo shanttu (~shanttu@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff55c100-11.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: main issue with cssu-thumb right now is probably maintenance. It's even more 'bleeding edge' and way less tested than cssu-t |
| 18:11.58 | FIQ|n900 | yeah |
| 18:12.24 | bennypr0fane | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829&highlight=thumb2 I asked these question in tmo before making the switch |
| 18:12.41 | bennypr0fane | maybe the answers help you |
| 18:13.39 | bennypr0fane | I guess if there haven't been any problems reported so far, you should be fine |
| 18:13.54 | bennypr0fane | I will report in that thread if anyhting comes up |
| 18:14.44 | FIQ|n900 | bennypr0fane: bleeding edge is no problem for me manually |
| 18:15.16 | FIQ|n900 | if I could reflash properly I would happily try it |
| 18:16.14 | bennypr0fane | ...you cna't? |
| 18:16.21 | kerio | dat usb |
| 18:16.24 | FIQ|n900 | s/manually/normally/ |
| 18:16.29 | kerio | or, rather, dat lack of usb |
| 18:16.31 | FIQ|n900 | :p |
| 18:16.40 | bennypr0fane | your usb is broken? |
| 18:16.48 | FIQ|n900 | yes, currently |
| 18:16.49 | bennypr0fane | man, that sucks |
| 18:17.05 | FIQ|n900 | i've not found anyone willing to fix it for me :) |
| 18:17.14 | kerio | try nokia care |
| 18:17.19 | kerio | apparently that's now a thing |
| 18:17.53 | FIQ|n900 | I believe my friend with a similar problem did |
| 18:17.55 | bennypr0fane | huh? |
| 18:18.14 | bennypr0fane | well if your device is less than 2 years old... |
| 18:18.18 | FIQ|n900 | They destroyed the device after calling it unfixable |
| 18:18.24 | kerio | bennypr0fane: they usually swap |
| 18:18.28 | kerio | with a N8 |
| 18:18.29 | FIQ|n900 | bennypr0fane: it's 3yrs old soon |
| 18:18.30 | kerio | or something stupid like that |
| 18:18.38 | bennypr0fane | N8 |
| 18:18.45 | bennypr0fane | can't be serious... |
| 18:18.46 | FIQ|n900 | well technically a little over 2 |
| 18:18.57 | FIQ|n900 | but I've already had a replacement |
| 18:19.20 | FIQ|n900 | (which, believe it or not, had the same problem) |
| 18:19.31 | bennypr0fane | I believe |
| 18:19.49 | bennypr0fane | I seem to have lucked out with my device |
| 18:20.03 | bennypr0fane | never any hardware problems |
| 18:20.25 | kerio | what the fucking fuck |
| 18:20.29 | kerio | my N900 just shut down |
| 18:20.39 | kerio | i was doing I/O |
| 18:20.45 | Wizzup__ | http://youtu.be/26UA578yQ5g |
| 18:20.48 | kerio | god fucking dammit not this again |
| 18:22.30 | kerio | i'm just going to assume it's dsme being the usual dick |
| 18:27.36 | kerio | 32wd_to <- yep |
| 18:27.39 | kerio | fucking dsme |
| 18:27.54 | kerio | ShadowJK: dding a file from a mounted eMMC partition to the uSD caused this |
| 18:28.59 | kerio | also wtf, why does cpumem-applet report 100% used cpu while top doesn't? |
| 18:29.10 | *** join/#maemo vi__ (~user@87.114.20.237) |
| 18:41.49 | bennypr0fane | ha, Fennec is working: "Remove /home/user/.mozilla/fennec directory and try again to run fennec. And make sure you don't run it as root" |
| 18:41.53 | bennypr0fane | yay! |
| 18:41.59 | bennypr0fane | and pretty fast, too |
| 18:42.11 | bennypr0fane | lightning start, conpared to before |
| 18:42.27 | freemangordon | bennypr0fane: thumb one? |
| 18:42.59 | bennypr0fane | yes! |
| 18:43.13 | bennypr0fane | only just made the switch |
| 18:43.29 | bennypr0fane | no-thumb fennec 7 to thumb |
| 18:43.42 | bennypr0fane | quite the difference i gotta say |
| 18:44.04 | *** join/#maemo pInvoke (~pInvoke@p579BEF0A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:44.28 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 18:45.16 | bennypr0fane | page loading not that much, but still |
| 18:45.26 | bennypr0fane | mainly handling, responsiveness is better |
| 18:45.36 | freemangordon | yeah, page loading times suck |
| 18:45.48 | freemangordon | but it seems to be an upstream bug |
| 18:45.49 | bennypr0fane | well not worse than MicroB |
| 18:45.56 | freemangordon | whaat? |
| 18:46.04 | freemangordon | do you have adblock? |
| 18:46.08 | bennypr0fane | yes |
| 18:46.11 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 18:46.13 | freemangordon | remove it |
| 18:46.21 | freemangordon | and tey microb again ;) |
| 18:46.25 | bennypr0fane | that will make my life betteR? |
| 18:46.26 | freemangordon | *try |
| 18:46.33 | freemangordon | you won;t believe it |
| 18:46.36 | kerio | yeah, adblock is *really* heavy |
| 18:46.39 | bennypr0fane | hmmm |
| 18:46.55 | bennypr0fane | who'd have thunk |
| 18:47.22 | bennypr0fane | so MicroB as fast as Opera?Helium? |
| 18:47.40 | freemangordon | if not faster |
| 18:47.47 | kerio | hm, how am i supposed to make nemo boot with uboot? |
| 18:47.58 | bennypr0fane | that should make me rather happy... |
| 18:48.07 | bennypr0fane | kerio you use power kernel? |
| 18:48.15 | kerio | bennypr0fane: yes |
| 18:48.36 | kerio | ah fuck, i have to remove the battery for this :C |
| 18:48.54 | *** join/#maemo mp_ (~mp@77-255-57-33.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 18:49.04 | bennypr0fane | kerio, check this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N900 |
| 18:49.29 | *** join/#maemo user___ (~user@218.146.125.91.dyn.plus.net) |
| 18:49.45 | vi___ | adblock is brutal. |
| 18:50.11 | freemangordon | yeah, it adds about 8010 seconds to page loading time |
| 18:50.16 | bennypr0fane | freemangordon I aslo have fasterfox and speedDNS in MicroB. Any of that slow me down too? |
| 18:50.16 | freemangordon | 8-10 |
| 18:50.23 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 18:50.25 | vi___ | Make a light hosts file block list and add the flashblock script to your user.css. |
| 18:50.40 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: probably yes. |
| 18:50.53 | vi___ | fasterfox is widely panned as being a POS |
| 18:51.09 | vi___ | think of it as the speedpatch of firefox. |
| 18:51.10 | kerio | fasterfox *is* a POS |
| 18:51.56 | bennypr0fane | what is a POS? Yes to whaT? |
| 18:52.13 | kerio | Piece Of Shit |
| 18:52.45 | bennypr0fane | will it suffice to deactivate Ad block or need to remove it? |
| 18:52.47 | vi___ | pile of shit. |
| 18:53.03 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: I think de-activate is ok. |
| 18:53.24 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: look into 'fanboy' host file block list. |
| 18:53.48 | vi___ | he offers a 'lite' version for lower power machines. |
| 18:53.54 | bennypr0fane | vi___ as a replacement for ad block? |
| 18:54.39 | bennypr0fane | what about speed DNS? |
| 18:54.56 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: yes as an ab replacement. |
| 18:54.56 | bennypr0fane | do you have any active addon in MicroB? |
| 18:55.12 | vi___ | fuck the internet with no adblck. |
| 18:55.17 | ab | vi___: no need to replace me |
| 18:55.27 | vi___ | ab: hah. |
| 18:55.27 | kerio | ab: oh you |
| 18:55.29 | bennypr0fane | ab HAHA :-D |
| 18:55.36 | vi___ | a lurker awakens! |
| 18:55.53 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: noscript |
| 18:55.54 | bennypr0fane | kerio you trying the latest nemo? |
| 18:56.18 | kerio | yes, but in a weird way |
| 18:56.41 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: ghostery works |
| 18:56.55 | bennypr0fane | vi____ what is a hosts file block list |
| 18:57.10 | bennypr0fane | kerio weird how? |
| 18:57.22 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: look it uo. |
| 18:57.24 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: look it upp. |
| 18:57.26 | kerio | bennypr0fane: i didn't follow the "correct" partition layout |
| 18:57.35 | kerio | and i don't know how to specify where's the root device |
| 18:57.49 | bennypr0fane | I think you can't |
| 18:57.54 | kerio | BS |
| 18:57.58 | bennypr0fane | you trying to run it off mmc? |
| 18:58.10 | kerio | yes |
| 18:59.18 | bennypr0fane | oh |
| 18:59.26 | bennypr0fane | well that comlicates things |
| 18:59.46 | kerio | apparently the only devices that the kernel sees at boot are mtdblock* |
| 18:59.51 | bennypr0fane | guys, is there a way to load the desktop version of Facebook in FEnnec? |
| 19:00.56 | kerio | oic |
| 19:00.59 | bennypr0fane | vi___ the results I get are all Windows relatede |
| 19:01.15 | bennypr0fane | for hosts file blocking |
| 19:01.28 | bennypr0fane | are these as true for all browsers? |
| 19:02.35 | vi___ | bennypr0fane: yes |
| 19:02.54 | *** join/#maemo NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD2822F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:05.00 | bennypr0fane | I hate all sites that won't show me the desktop version if I want it |
| 19:05.58 | *** join/#maemo FIQ (~fiq@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 19:06.14 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 19:06.57 | kerio | FUCKING SYSTEMD NOT MAKING MY NEMO BOOT |
| 19:08.48 | *** join/#maemo BigBoxDr_ (~BigBoxDri@p4FF9A5A6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:09.33 | kerio | ok, fixed fstab :) |
| 19:11.55 | *** join/#maemo gomiam (~magao@89.128.139.188) |
| 19:12.52 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 19:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<FIQ|n900> i've not found anyone willing to fix it for me :) )) recently somebody had his N900 USB repaired at a Nokia Care point, and he actually got device back in fixed condition, paid 30GBP. It wasn't in warranty anymore, so Nokia didn't feel like keeping the N900 and shipping a crappy "replacement" N8 or whatever instead. Maybe a viable way to get yours fixed as well? |
| 19:14.56 | kerio | hm, nemo is pretty |
| 19:14.56 | kerio | :3 |
| 19:14.56 | kerio | it reports my battery as empty, though |
| 19:16.09 | *** join/#maemo NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD2822F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:17.11 | bennypr0fane | kerio u find it rather usable? afaik there's still a lot missing... |
| 19:17.21 | kerio | it's a tech demo, of course it's not usable |
| 19:17.22 | kerio | :) |
| 19:18.38 | *** part/#maemo bennypr0fane (~bennsn@vie-188-118-241-192.dsl.sil.at) |
| 19:20.30 | kerio | and now to never use it again |
| 19:21.56 | vi___ | it is not so hard. |
| 19:22.15 | vi___ | Just give me debian+hildon+gsm on my fone. |
| 19:22.18 | *** join/#maemo githogori (~githogori@c-69-181-109-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:22.24 | kerio | vi___: word |
| 19:23.26 | ShadowJK | kerio; I suspect the applet counts Wait as use |
| 19:25.14 | ShadowJK | or everything not "idle" as busy |
| 19:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<kerio> hm, nemo is pretty)) haute couture, while we all know we need an overall in daily live, not something sexy looking that doesn't even allow sitting down |
| 19:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ this was a more generic comment about recent OS design paradigms found everywhere |
| 19:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/live/life/ |
| 19:37.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but it's pretty! |
| 19:39.25 | *** join/#maemo schen (~schen@cpe-70-113-78-99.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 19:42.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fun fact: systemd will keep trying and trying and trying if you have *something* that doesn't work in your fstab |
| 19:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck systemd - yesterday I found no way to `stop akonadi-server` |
| 19:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | systemd is an undigestible POS in my book |
| 19:45.39 | *** join/#maemo BigBoxD__ (~BigBoxDri@p4FF9A5A6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:50.51 | *** join/#maemo MrPingu (~MrPingute@86.92.226.97) |
| 19:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw systemd already uses dbus, sth I thought was a joke until I've seen it mentioned in man systemd |
| 19:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm rather sure there are still nasty bug sleeping in dbus. the more I appreciate a new process-#1 using dbus now |
| 20:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and of course I'd adore dbus running on all my small embedded systems like sheeevaplug, whatever, just to make systemd happy |
| 20:04.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i just checked, there's no systemd on my sheevaplug :3 |
| 20:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | linux more and more turns from a general purpose OS to sth tailored to fit windows-alike desktops only. Thanks to Lennart |
| 20:07.52 | *** join/#maemo vi___ (~paul@218.146.125.91.dyn.plus.net) |
| 20:08.00 | vi___ | MohammadAG: PING! |
| 20:08.52 | vi___ | get this |
| 20:09.13 | vi___ | a rootfs image, with backupmenu rolled in... |
| 20:09.30 | vi___ | ...PLUS an eMMC image include inside the rootfs image. |
| 20:10.08 | vi___ | That way you only need flash the rootfs image then wipe mmc with the opt tar |
| 20:13.32 | kerio | vi___: are you still desperately trying to figure out how fiascogen is supposed to work? |
| 20:13.54 | vi___ | I know how it is SUPPOSED to work. |
| 20:14.24 | vi___ | It just turns out no one EVER saw fit to document how the layout file should look. |
| 20:15.33 | *** join/#maemo BigBoxDr_ (~BigBoxDri@p4FF9A5A6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:16.22 | SpeedEvil | :-\ |
| 20:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: maybe we could ask somebody (ex-)$Nokia to shed some light on it? |
| 20:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: you meanwhile think it's definitely related to layout file? |
| 20:21.59 | *** join/#maemo jonne (~jonne@109.133.80.44) |
| 20:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: also, iirc this fiasco-gen is just some 40k and available for X86. freemangordon might be able and willing to analyze it, maybe |
| 20:24.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you tried to unpack the non-working fiasco.bin via flasher-3.5? |
| 20:24.28 | *** join/#maemo dedis94 (~dedis94@akw403.cs.yale.edu) |
| 20:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/freemangordon/vi___/ |
| 20:25.37 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: fiasco-gen is available for x86. |
| 20:25.50 | vi___ | It has no sanity checking on the layout files. |
| 20:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I wrote |
| 20:26.02 | vi___ | So you can feed in any old shit and it will use it. |
| 20:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 20:26.17 | vi___ | However if you try to flash it, it will fail. |
| 20:26.38 | vi___ | I have had varying degrees of success. |
| 20:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | just when you unpack such shitty fiasco.bin via flasher, you could compare the unpacked files to the original ones you used to build it |
| 20:27.04 | vi___ | The most successful I have had is using the layout file as it appears in the header of the pr1.3 emmc. |
| 20:27.21 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: I have tried that. |
| 20:27.32 | vi___ | Unpacking gets you your filesystem image. |
| 20:27.47 | vi___ | It is the same as I put it in. |
| 20:29.04 | vi___ | with the nokia mmc mydocs image+the 'example' layout (from the header), flasher will accept the fiasco image, attempt to flash it then choke at 96% |
| 20:29.34 | vi___ | If I alter the header, flasher will not accept the fiasco image. |
| 20:29.49 | Drathir | vi___: flasher have any verbose mode? |
| 20:30.05 | vi___ | If I alter the filesystem image, flasher will barf at ~20%. |
| 20:30.47 | vi___ | If I compare the header of my mmc image with that of pr1.3 header I can see they are different. |
| 20:31.03 | vi___ | There seems to be an extra 'label' in the nokia one. |
| 20:31.32 | freemangordon | does anyone know what exactly libedataserver.so do? |
| 20:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | evolution? |
| 20:31.57 | freemangordon | yep |
| 20:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, beyond that |
| 20:32.15 | freemangordon | I have a feeling that contacts are not in DB |
| 20:32.32 | freemangordon | well, not in berkeley DB |
| 20:32.50 | freemangordon | but in a simple file |
| 20:32.51 | vi___ | http://paste.debian.net/210523/ |
| 20:33.01 | vi___ | ^ is the header from my fiasco image |
| 20:33.07 | *** join/#maemo vblazquez (~vic@27.68.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 20:33.35 | vi___ | http://paste.debian.net/210524/ |
| 20:33.48 | vi___ | ^ is the header from pr1.3 emmc image |
| 20:36.01 | vi___ | you will see the nokia one contains a 'RX-51_20'... line at the start. |
| 20:37.18 | vi___ | It is NOT the version string you can specify in the layout file. |
| 20:37.32 | *** join/#maemo BigBoxDr_ (~BigBoxDri@p4FF9A5A6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:38.00 | vi___ | This page details the fiasco image format: |
| 20:38.04 | vi___ | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=docu&q=fiasco |
| 20:41.33 | vi___ | and now I am stumped |
| 20:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: yours is missing "3.mmc { " |
| 20:42.06 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Yes. |
| 20:42.14 | vi___ | But htf do I get it there? |
| 20:42.40 | vi___ | If I add it to the layout file, the image will not be accepted by flasher (never mind even getting to fail to flash). |
| 20:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure your {} match in layout |
| 20:44.26 | *** join/#maemo rick8024 (~try@xdsl-89-0-149-122.netcologne.de) |
| 20:44.40 | vi___ | So you are suggesting I add '3.mmc { blah blah blah } to my file? |
| 20:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 20:44.48 | vi___ | I am pretty sure I have tried that. |
| 20:44.59 | *** join/#maemo eijk_ (~eijk@e178206210.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:45.39 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 20:47.06 | vi___ | I do not understand what you mean doc. |
| 20:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's just about format of layout file, and possibly parameter passed via >>--mmc-partition=ARG Partition for the MMC raw image (in layout)<< (which might create the 'label' you're missing) |
| 20:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no better ideas here |
| 20:51.35 | vi___ | you are hinting at something, can you be more specific? |
| 21:00.15 | vi___ | MohammadAG: ping |
| 21:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: the structure as found on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools seems "wellformed" (matching { } and a label "mmc" ). your excerpt as of http://paste.debian.net/210523/ is missing that. Either it has to get included into layout file, or fiasco-gen auto-creates it when given the right parameters |
| 21:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: that's about all hints I can give. I'm largely handwaving |
| 21:04.52 | fil | has spent the day going through old forum threads and recreating the flaining attempts of others to sort out his crappy SIP quality ... to no great effect -- I just tried Skype though, and it works fine, which makes it even more annoying |
| 21:05.14 | fil | s/flaining/flailing/ |
| 21:07.43 | *** join/#maemo githogori (~githogori@c-69-181-109-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:08.31 | fil | anyone know how to disable echo cancelation in the n900 SIP client? (just a vague theory that I want to eliminate: the freeswitch and n900 echo cancelation stuff may be getting into a fight) |
| 21:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no way for two EC to get into a fight |
| 21:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | fil: wireshark has a good analysis function for RTP (SIP) streams |
| 21:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your inbound jitter / packet-loss |
| 21:18.39 | vi___ | fil: Limit the codecs sip can use. |
| 21:18.47 | vi___ | Limit it to the lower quality ones |
| 21:18.48 | vi___ | gsm |
| 21:18.53 | vi___ | ilbc |
| 21:18.55 | vi___ | and g729 |
| 21:18.58 | vi___ | (i think) |
| 21:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I found that 3 most relevant sources of problems with SIP audio quality are: WiFi / router / firewall-there, Codec used (depends on far end as much as your own client), and audio card itself (PA for maemo) |
| 21:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, vi___ beat me on it |
| 21:20.01 | vi___ | fil: My sip performance is utter shit as well. |
| 21:20.04 | vi___ | Performance seems to be improved by disabling the other codecs. |
| 21:20.05 | vi___ | But it is too early to say. |
| 21:20.18 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Some of us are not allowed to fiddle with work wifi access points... |
| 21:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | in our case it could be other way round: the low-bandwidth codecs could just hog the N900 CPU, while 'simple' codecs with high bandwidth might work better |
| 21:22.43 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Perhaps, give me a couple of days before I make a comment. |
| 21:22.53 | vi___ | Fortunatley we have wireshark on the n900! |
| 21:23.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 21:23.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | mad useful tool |
| 21:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | even does statistics on jitter etc of RTP streams, and knows to playback them |
| 21:24.41 | fil | well, I've tried it in all sorts of places over the years, but since I use SIP for my work phone, clients start getting tired of dire quality pretty quickly, so I burn money on GSM even when I shouldn't need to to avoid complaints (and thus do much less testing recently) |
| 21:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your inbound RTP UDP stream is jitterfree and no packet loss, the problem is inside N900 |
| 21:25.17 | fil | I'll check that now... |
| 21:25.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise try low bandwidth codecs and better WiFi AP |
| 21:26.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | also WiFi encryption might be a source for CPU hogging |
| 21:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas libsofiasip isn't twinklephone, so the debugging options are not that many |
| 21:28.48 | *** join/#maemo APTX (APTX@unaffiliated/aptx) |
| 21:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you however *might* try and use N900 as a WiFi network access via USB, and run twinkle (or other SIP clients of your choice) on a tethered PC |
| 21:30.27 | vi___ | fil: You can configure the codecs for sip by editing /etc/stream-engine/gstcodecs.conf |
| 21:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you could rule out the WiFi for source of jitter and/or packet loss |
| 21:30.53 | vi___ | fil: you can disable a codec by putting a 'id=-1' in the control block. |
| 21:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: duh! thanks for that info! :-) |
| 21:32.17 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: I still know 1 or 2 tricks! |
| 21:33.01 | fil | vi___: yeah, thanks -- I'd worked that bit out in my travels -- I've tried playing a few of the codecs, but not GSM, which I'd guess it optimised for, so worth a try |
| 21:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | my guess: sequence of those codecs in that file determines which is preferred and which less prio |
| 21:33.56 | fil | (although my testing recently has been simply calling the Freeswitch IVR demo, which may not be a very good test for normal calls) |
| 21:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | fil: GSM isn't optimized. Since it's done inside modem usually |
| 21:34.47 | fil | ah, fair enough |
| 21:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | fil: iLBC usually considered best codec to be found |
| 21:35.04 | fil | that didn't seem to help :-/ |
| 21:35.07 | *** join/#maemo muellisoft (~muelli@port-14367.pppoe.wtnet.de) |
| 21:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | PCMA/PCMU are pretty simply and thus high-bandwidth codecs |
| 21:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | simple* |
| 21:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | high bandwidth low CPU load |
| 21:36.30 | fil | the frustrating thing is that twinkle on my laptop on the same wifi routers has never had an issue whenever I fired it up to see if the problem was external to the n900 |
| 21:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, check which codec it negotiates |
| 21:37.16 | fil | good idea |
| 21:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (shows up next to call duration) |
| 21:37.21 | *** join/#maemo vi___ (~paul@218.146.125.91.dyn.plus.net) |
| 21:37.25 | *** join/#maemo trumee (~parul@93-96-159-40.zone4.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | during call |
| 21:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | pleased to hear somebody is using twinke still |
| 21:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're no by any chance using the de_DE locale? |
| 21:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, prolly not, judging by your realname |
| 21:39.37 | fil | nah -- en_UK (despite sitting in Berlin at this moment :-) ) |
| 21:40.31 | *** join/#maemo Kilroo (~Kilroo@cpe-098-026-200-222.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 21:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I massively augmented the de_DE translation to include lots of explanations beyond what Michel originally implemented |
| 21:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity my tweaks to window dimensions and icons and hotkeys etc never made it 'upstream' |
| 21:42.56 | *** join/#maemo Ijon_Tichy (~username@p57958038.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few other patches did, though |
| 21:44.59 | *** join/#maemo vi___ (~paul@218.146.125.91.dyn.plus.net) |
| 21:48.57 | vi___ | how do I manually re-enumerate? |
| 21:50.44 | vi___ | WTF |
| 21:50.59 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: hub 1-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 7 disabled |
| 21:51.08 | vi___ | ^ I just got 10 of those on my PC. |
| 21:51.21 | vi___ | when I connected an n900 on backupmenu. |
| 21:51.32 | vi___ | I thought fuckit and pulled the battery. |
| 21:51.50 | vi___ | The n900 stayed on as it was connected by usb cable. |
| 21:51.53 | Drathir | that georgious sound of floopy disk... |
| 21:52.00 | vi___ | It then enumerated fine? |
| 21:52.24 | *** join/#maemo Jade (~jade@modemcable190.180-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 21:52.24 | *** join/#maemo Jade (~jade@unaffiliated/jade) |
| 21:52.25 | vi___ | How the hell could the removal of the battery fix the above error. That is insane. |
| 21:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, it probably can't |
| 21:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh it definitely can't |
| 21:53.28 | fil | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, shame it's not being developed any more :-/ -- amusingly it seems that I've broken audio on the laptop too now (although I don't think that's SIP related, as youtube audio is totally fragmented at present too -- oh well) |
| 21:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | though from your description, I conclude that you're not running bme |
| 21:53.50 | fil | anyway, it was negociating spx-wb |
| 21:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I got NFC what pali's bme-alternative does to USB |
| 21:54.13 | *** join/#maemo teotwaki (~crashandd@2a01:e35:8a44:eb00:213:2ff:fe39:c4d4) |
| 21:54.14 | *** join/#maemo teotwaki (~crashandd@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie) |
| 21:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | fil: (broken audio) I bet on PA |
| 21:55.13 | fil | yup |
| 21:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not developed anymore) say "thank you, qt!" |
| 21:55.31 | vi___ | fil: Did you run wireshark while initiating a sip call? |
| 21:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | speex-wideband, hmm |
| 21:56.41 | fil | not yet, will do now that I've installed it (I really ought to undo all the tweaks I've tried over the day too ... before I forget what I did) |
| 21:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't bet a penny on any particular of the fremantle codecs being bugfree |
| 21:58.11 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: heresy! |
| 21:59.20 | teotwaki | did I hear SIP issues? |
| 21:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 21:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor audio quality |
| 21:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | inbound it seems |
| 21:59.53 | teotwaki | ah, I've never solved that one on the n900 |
| 21:59.57 | *** join/#maemo vblazquez (~vic@168.89.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 22:00.04 | teotwaki | this being said, make sure you use the right codecs |
| 22:00.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 22:00.20 | vi___ | teotwaki: !!! |
| 22:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better: make sure you don't use the wrong codecs ;-) |
| 22:01.03 | *** join/#maemo nox- (noident@freebsd/developer/nox) |
| 22:01.57 | teotwaki | When your client sends an INVITE, it tells the receiving end that there's a priority list in terms of codecs, PCMU, PCMA, speex, etc. |
| 22:02.05 | teotwaki | not all codecs are created equal |
| 22:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc for an inbound INVITE the far end should offer all available codecs in SDP |
| 22:02.38 | teotwaki | sure |
| 22:02.39 | vi___ | ~SDP |
| 22:02.39 | infobot | IRC is known to be a form of the Streaming Documentation Protocol. |
| 22:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, it's the " doc's late" day |
| 22:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | session Description Protocol afaik |
| 22:03.43 | teotwaki | Does the n900 support RTCP? |
| 22:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik not |
| 22:03.57 | teotwaki | hmm |
| 22:04.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure though |
| 22:04.20 | teotwaki | FWIW, I've been experimenting with an in-house protocol for high-bandwidth low-latency networks. |
| 22:04.57 | teotwaki | Where basically, instead of sending a beat every x seconds (usually, every 20ms) which has the same size every time |
| 22:05.19 | teotwaki | I calculate the network's MTU, and use that to plug in as much data as possible |
| 22:05.39 | *** join/#maemo jhb (~joerg@p579F6D41.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:05.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, interesting approach |
| 22:05.56 | teotwaki | It works pretty nicely, network load went down roughly 20%, while retaining the same number of calls |
| 22:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gather it slightly increases latency though |
| 22:06.37 | teotwaki | probably |
| 22:06.55 | teotwaki | but it only works for intra-server calls, anything that talks to an audiocode has to use public protocols |
| 22:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:08.17 | teotwaki | BTW, has anyone used Boost's bzip2 implementation? |
| 22:08.40 | teotwaki | or rather, their istream filter? |
| 22:11.16 | *** join/#maemo sirdancealot (~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz) |
| 22:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | libBoost? WAAAAAAH! |
| 22:13.36 | merlin1991 | hm? |
| 22:14.11 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: do not criticise boost |
| 22:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | twinkle used regex from libBoost, so eventually I tried to compile that monster |
| 22:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | compiling Qt or openoffice is a walk in the park compared to libBoost |
| 22:15.00 | teotwaki | Boost is piss easy |
| 22:15.06 | teotwaki | first of all, half of it doesn't need to be comiled |
| 22:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's piss fsckg HUGE |
| 22:15.34 | teotwaki | the other half just requires jam. cd boost; ./bjam |
| 22:16.15 | teotwaki | also, DocScrutinizer05, the world has helped us get package managers, you know, things like aptitude and yum |
| 22:16.17 | teotwaki | Use them. |
| 22:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | back when I had a laptop with a 300MHz P-II and a HDD that for sure wouldn't suffice for Boost even if completely empty |
| 22:17.11 | tadzik | or recent gcc, for that matter |
| 22:17.38 | *** join/#maemo dhbiker (~dhbiker@95.87.145.172) |
| 22:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I just thought it's a bit of overkill for a silly regex, and I definitely never managed to compile it back when |
| 22:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | prebuilt .so didn't help - wrong version |
| 22:20.08 | *** join/#maemo lbt_ (~david@193.185.69.17) |
| 22:20.08 | *** join/#maemo lbt_ (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt) |
| 22:22.27 | *** join/#maemo teotwaki (~crashandd@2a01:e35:8a44:eb00:213:2ff:fe39:c4d4) |
| 22:22.28 | *** join/#maemo teotwaki (~crashandd@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie) |
| 22:22.54 | teotwaki | sorry, lapto overheated |
| 22:23.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, like did mine when I tried to get libBoost built |
| 22:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 22:23.42 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: Boost is probably one of the greatest things in the C++ world. |
| 22:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/greatest/hugest/ |
| 22:24.23 | teotwaki | most of it is template-only, which means there is no dependency when distributing it. It's peer reviewed, which means the quality and optimisation level is just crazy. |
| 22:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sure |
| 22:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just gave me one week of swearing |
| 22:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | not being able to build twinkle, due to a silly regex from a 5000GB lib |
| 22:27.11 | *** join/#maemo MrPingu (~MrPingute@86.92.226.97) |
| 22:30.26 | *** join/#maemo peetah (~peetah@cha92-9-82-236-202-86.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:30.51 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-208-163.as13285.net) |
| 22:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | -devel:~50MB, -doc-html:~120MB |
| 22:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not much by today's metrics, a friggin lot back when |
| 22:40.01 | *** join/#maemo jhb (~joerg@p579F6D41.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:40.39 | *** join/#maemo Jade (~jade@Jade.broker.freenet6.net) |
| 22:40.39 | *** join/#maemo Jade (~jade@unaffiliated/jade) |
| 22:50.44 | *** join/#maemo vi___ (~paul@31.185.144.86) |
| 22:50.50 | fil | I see what you mean about wireshark & SIP -- been a while since I played with wireshark (it was probably called ethereal at the time ;-) ) -- I don't think it had all this cleverness then |
| 22:54.33 | fil | it's not very pleased with the RTP n900-->Freeswitch. seems that there are several jumps in the packet sequences -- whereas Freeswitch-->n900 it seems pretty cheerful about |
| 22:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | that suggests that CPU on N900 is overloaded |
| 22:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | though N.B. that wireshark doesn't guarantee lossless capture |
| 22:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ideally you'd capture the traffic somewhere later in the nework stack, e.g on a PC working as AP |
| 22:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | or (maybe even more simple) at the far end on inbound traffic |
| 23:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* try and renice -5 wireshark |
| 23:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | resp use tshark or pcap to capture, and not hog CPU with full wireshark UI in realtime |
| 23:02.31 | fil | I'm using tshark, and looking at it with wireshark on my PC |
| 23:02.31 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: ++ |
| 23:02.42 | vi___ | fil: 1 step ahead! |
| 23:03.21 | fil | yeah, didn't seem wise to clog everything up with X-over-ssh |
| 23:04.58 | fil | so was dumping to a file on /tmp, then scp-ing it over afterwards |
| 23:06.22 | fil | I'll try a few more tests (with tshark un-niced) to see if that makes any odds |
| 23:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it changes stuff to either the better or the worse, we're on something. If no effect at all, we probably can rule out CPU load as a culprit |
| 23:09.02 | *** join/#maemo MrPingu (~MrPingute@86.92.226.97) |
| 23:10.33 | *** join/#maemo Dibblah (~Dibblah@host86-163-222-46.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I just start to wonder if jumps in packet sequence might also be a result of clogging outbound WiFi, so eventually the RTP stream process detects there's a backlog on packets to send, at skips some packets to keep up with time pace |
| 23:12.05 | teotwaki | erhm, no way. |
| 23:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, already good enough :-) |
| 23:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 23:13.16 | teotwaki | PCMU is 96Kbit/s tops, 64Kbit/s avg |
| 23:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 23:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's this related though? |
| 23:13.41 | teotwaki | if that clogs your wifi, well, there's your VoIP quality problem. |
| 23:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on WiFi situation, there might be low bandwidth, or collisions, or packet retransmissions, or whatever |
| 23:14.47 | teotwaki | and if his wifi really can't handle 96kbit/s |
| 23:14.54 | teotwaki | then why is he even trying voip calls? |
| 23:14.55 | teotwaki | :P |
| 23:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think the RTP send process should or would fill up a send buffer with an unlimited number of packages pending to make their way thru WiFi |
| 23:16.00 | teotwaki | well, one packet every 20ms |
| 23:16.17 | teotwaki | os 500 packets per second |
| 23:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but what if channel is occupied by some other burst transmission between AP and random client for 1.5s |
| 23:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTP sender should drop packets in this case |
| 23:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | since packet sequence # is entagled to timebase afaik |
| 23:20.38 | fil | right, with nice -5 we seem to get all packets, and there was one missing packet inbound, none outbound, but the playback quality is dire (this listening to the IVR menus, since it's past midnight here, and sleeping wife & child next door precludes making phones ring and muttering to myself ) |
| 23:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your audio quality issues are inbound or outbound? |
| 23:26.17 | FIQ | what's up with microB occasionally acting as if I run a desktop WM? |
| 23:26.22 | FIQ | @ its' dialogs |
| 23:27.26 | FIQ | i mean, sure, some stuff in extras/etc looks like it does on the desktop, but a preinstalled browser? |
| 23:30.15 | fil | generally people tell me that they can hear me OK -- the problem is on the inbound channel, which after (guessing) 30s (somethimes longer) starts breaking up, with the appearance of the sound being somewhat shuffled -- then after getting completely incomprehensible (and I'm getting quite good at understanding the garbled stuff) it goes dead for a while, and then iether gives up completely, or recovers for a bit |
| 23:33.52 | fil | as for wifi bandwidth, I can ssh from phone to laptop at > 500MB/s, and that's with both devices on the wifi (so colliding), and probably limited by the speed of the flash the file's coming off of |
| 23:34.04 | fil | s/ssh/scp/ |
| 23:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the weird thing: I've seen exactly same behaviour with twinkle and 300MHz PC attached to internet via a WEP AP |
| 23:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | initially fine, after 15..30s gets worse, even blocks, but then usually recovered |
| 23:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and stayed fine |
| 23:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | inbound sound |
| 23:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I tend to blame WiFi usually, when SIP audio fails in quality |
| 23:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't work at all, it's usually firewall/NAT |
| 23:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might test with USB networking to access internet |
| 23:39.39 | fil | yup, I can try that -- and I'll hard-wire the laptop while I'm at it |
| 23:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | also make sure your router/NAT has no ApplicationLevelGateway-SIP enabled |
| 23:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are known to be utter crap most of them |
| 23:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vigor for example didn't work at all with ALG-SIP enabled |
| 23:43.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally speaking, a NAT can introduce quite some jitter weirdness, depending on grunt of embedded MCU used in that NAT device |
| 23:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's even a firewall enabled on same NAT, possibly with packet inspection, you might face problems regarding performance |
| 23:45.34 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 23:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: you must do nightshift |
| 23:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it like 2 o clock in moscow? |
| 23:47.23 | RST38h | I am in the US |
| 23:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah that's why |
| 23:47.59 | RST38h | Land of McDonaldses, etc |
| 23:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | Aren't there McDonalds everywhere these days? |
| 23:50.34 | RST38h | Yeah, but everywhere else has OTHER STUFF too |
| 23:53.20 | GeneralAntilles | Uh |
| 23:53.20 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 23:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, seems to me there's no other place with more 'other stuff' dealing with burgers, than USA |
| 23:53.48 | RST38h | did not really mean burgers |
| 23:54.00 | RST38h | never tasted a burger.Scary. |
| 23:54.07 | *** join/#maemo ghjgfjghjbn1118 (~jdfgf@201.151.147.6) |
| 23:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | well McDonals==burger |
| 23:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so 'other stuff' also == burger, no? |
| 23:54.51 | RST38h | They also have apple pies, which are relatively safe to eat because they come there packaged. |
| 23:55.02 | GeneralAntilles | You've never had a burger? . . . |
| 23:55.11 | RST38h | GA: Yeah I know. |
| 23:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | That's slightly surreal to think about. |
| 23:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I kinda can understand that |
| 23:55.55 | RST38h | GA: Well, to be fair I did taste all the individual components :) |
| 23:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'd have a hard time thinking of somebody I'd know, execept vegetarians |
| 23:57.54 | Drathir | lol i run qmpdclient from server throught ssh... |
| 23:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway here we got McDo and BurgerKing, and that's it basically re burgers. There's also an occasional KFC |
| 23:58.26 | Drathir | resolution looks great... |
| 23:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | in USA you got ~20 such frenchise burger firers |
| 23:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | fryers* |
| 23:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | Not really |
| 23:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | I mean |
| 23:58.51 | GeneralAntilles | There are some regional ones |
| 23:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | But for national chains it's basically Burger King and McDonalds |
| 23:59.10 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: royal dinner? |
| 23:59.32 | RST38h | GA: Do not forget Wendy's and KFC |
| 23:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, so that changed since mid 80s then |
| 23:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wendy's yeah |