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| 00:49.42 | Ken-Young | How are the maemo.org servers going to be paid for when Nokia stops supporting them? |
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| 01:03.26 | devilinside | is there anyway to use default vkb with easy debian or transparent vkb with n900? |
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| 01:07.16 | devilinside | ???? |
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| 01:17.43 | FIQ | so I can empty all stored password or none... what about if I want to remove just one...? |
| 01:19.41 | devilinside | i think there is a password manager for microB |
| 01:21.08 | FIQ | sorry I wasn't specific but yes I do mean microB |
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| 01:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ken-Young: board will raise funds |
| 01:52.55 | FIQ | hmmmm |
| 01:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, I got a bookmark for that iirc |
| 01:53.41 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, Thanks. I'll contribute, if I actually see some announcement outlining how to do that. I can't pitch in a whole lot, but I'll do something at least. |
| 01:54.10 | FIQ | "bounce - Playable 3D technology demo for N900" there's one thing I don't like with this thing |
| 01:54.25 | FIQ | it shows the true 3d potential of n900 |
| 01:54.45 | FIQ | now how many games using 3d does n900 have? :p |
| 01:54.46 | SpeedEvil | :-( |
| 01:54.53 | SpeedEvil | bounce was awesome |
| 01:55.08 | FIQ | yeah it was |
| 01:55.26 | FIQ | (apart from taking up like 10% of installable space) |
| 01:55.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | Ken-Young: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Chrome_URLs might help? |
| 01:56.56 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, I don't understand - what does that have to do with contributing money to fund maemo.org servers? |
| 01:56.59 | FIQ | SpeedEvil: I once played the futuristic thing to see what happened if you got past uh |
| 01:57.05 | FIQ | 1k in score or something like that |
| 01:57.12 | FIQ | the UI glitched :p |
| 01:57.38 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 01:57.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Ken-Young: sorry, was for FIQ |
| 01:58.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | password manager |
| 01:58.28 | FIQ | oh |
| 01:59.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, thought I got a better link |
| 02:00.53 | FIQ | well I don't understand much of that |
| 02:01.46 | FIQ | or, I *understand* |
| 02:01.54 | FIQ | but don't see how it helps me |
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| 02:12.57 | Drathir | maybe someone know why default player dont steram media? any kind of bug? |
| 02:17.43 | mad_dev | Drathir: i think mplayer has online streaming functionality |
| 02:34.23 | ShadowJK | has streamed shoutcast and youtube with default player before |
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| 07:49.00 | fil | what's the current favorite way of syncing calandars from an n900 to somemwhere else (preferably talking something like caldav)? likewise for contacts? |
| 07:51.17 | Skry | fil: not sure how up-to-date wiki is but http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync |
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| 08:43.26 | vi__ | fil: You still here? |
| 08:43.41 | vi__ | Sync evolution works for syncing individual calanders |
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| 09:02.10 | vi__ | ShadowJK: ping |
| 09:07.44 | fil | vi__: hi -- so does one has to have evolution somewhere in the mix? or can one use sync-evolution and point it at a caldav server for the calendar, and maybe an LDAP server for the contacts, say? |
| 09:09.12 | fil | s/has/have/ |
| 09:09.57 | fil | ick! I wasn't expecting that to happen ;-) |
| 09:11.54 | vi__ | you need to use sync-evolution and I believe it supports caldav. |
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| 09:18.23 | fil | vi__: ok, I'll give it a go -- thanks |
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| 09:23.12 | freemangordon | THE FUCK?!? AlarmUI stille leaks memory, even with my fixes. Someone should check all of the packages made by AlarmUI developer. |
| 09:23.29 | freemangordon | vi_: ping |
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| 09:26.04 | jon_y | freemangordon: valgrind? |
| 09:27.02 | freemangordon | jon_y: well, i found what leaks, just that I am impressed, I've never seens such a buggy code to be allowed to go on the field |
| 09:27.12 | freemangordon | *seen |
| 09:27.19 | jon_y | AGILE! |
| 09:27.23 | tadzik | :D |
| 09:27.39 | jon_y | of course, there is no customer feedback to make it work |
| 09:27.44 | tadzik | more like SHITTY DEVELOPERS! |
| 09:27.52 | jon_y | they have moved on to $next_product |
| 09:28.01 | tadzik | "who cares, kernel will free the memory later" |
| 09:28.02 | vi__ | freemangordon: o/ |
| 09:28.21 | freemangordon | vi__: do you use alarmui replacement? |
| 09:28.35 | vi__ | freemangordon: Now you understand why you were never allowed to see BME code! |
| 09:28.39 | vi__ | freemangordon: Yes. |
| 09:28.49 | freemangordon | hmm, I need someone with stock |
| 09:28.58 | freemangordon | jon_y: ^^^? |
| 09:29.09 | tadzik | freemangordon: what do you need? |
| 09:29.28 | vi__ | osso-systemui-alarm 0.2.1.31+0m5. |
| 09:29.37 | freemangordon | someone to check the heap size of systemui |
| 09:30.09 | freemangordon | someone who uses alarms on daily basis |
| 09:30.17 | freemangordon | and has uptime at least 3 days |
| 09:30.23 | tadzik | they wake me up every day |
| 09:30.27 | freemangordon | good |
| 09:30.38 | jon_y | freemangordon: without end users for feedback, agile or whatever $new_fad is a shitty excuse for sloppy coding |
| 09:30.39 | tadzik | uptime is 1 day 17:37 though |
| 09:30.44 | tadzik | reflashing :/ |
| 09:30.54 | jon_y | I had enough dealing at it at work :( |
| 09:31.03 | freemangordon | so, what is the heap size in /proc/`pidof systemyu`/smaps |
| 09:31.12 | freemangordon | tadzik: ^^^ |
| 09:31.19 | vi__ | freemangordon: I have a stock n900 at home, but I will not have it for another 10 hours. |
| 09:31.22 | freemangordon | sorry for the typos |
| 09:31.30 | vi__ | If you are still stuck then, give me a shout. |
| 09:31.54 | freemangordon | vi__: i am not stuck, I want to be sure it is not some memory leak caused by me |
| 09:32.02 | jon_y | often cycle times are so fast, product is shoved out the door without adequate Q&A |
| 09:32.13 | jon_y | stupid managers and their ttm |
| 09:32.17 | tadzik | freemangordon: 00017000-0045b000 rw-p 00017000 00:00 0 [heap] |
| 09:32.21 | tadzik | (or something like this) |
| 09:32.27 | freemangordon | what is the size? |
| 09:32.39 | tadzik | heh, how do I know :) |
| 09:32.49 | freemangordon | it is written there :P |
| 09:32.51 | tadzik | that's grep -i heap /proc/`pidof systemui`/smaps |
| 09:32.56 | freemangordon | noo |
| 09:33.00 | tadzik | (bbs) |
| 09:33.19 | freemangordon | cat /proc/`pidof systemui`/smaps | less |
| 09:33.31 | freemangordon | or more, whichever is convinient to you |
| 09:33.32 | jaska | hmm size: 1284 kB rss: 1124 kB |
| 09:33.43 | freemangordon | jaska: yeah, thanks |
| 09:33.49 | freemangordon | this is what I mean |
| 09:33.54 | freemangordon | jaska: what is your uptime |
| 09:33.54 | jaska | 21 day uptime, alarm on workdays |
| 09:33.56 | freemangordon | ? |
| 09:34.12 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 09:35.00 | jaska | same package version as vi |
| 09:35.17 | jon_y | freemangordon: woops, my rant went too long, sorry, I don't have stock firmware |
| 09:35.25 | Macer_ | wtf |
| 09:35.27 | vi__ | Actually I am not sure if I installed replacement alarmui on this n900. |
| 09:35.29 | Macer_ | my car insurance went up?! |
| 09:35.38 | Macer | gets his knife out to stab someone |
| 09:35.40 | Macer | makes no sense |
| 09:35.46 | vi__ | Macer: welcome to the UK. |
| 09:35.52 | freemangordon | well, I'll check once again, but what I see in the (REed) code is notify_notification_new |
| 09:36.03 | freemangordon | with no g_object_unref |
| 09:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had a friggin motorboating sound yesterday, which I was able to stop with `stop pulseaudio; start pulseaudio` |
| 09:36.11 | vi__ | Where car insurance is an unregulated cartel. |
| 09:36.25 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: ...motorboating? |
| 09:36.47 | freemangordon | So I am pretty sure we have one NotifyNotification object memory leak on every alarm |
| 09:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: ascii is rather unsuited to transfer audio |
| 09:37.07 | freemangordon | along with a couple of DBusMessage objects |
| 09:37.33 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Can a rogue AP stop a wifi client radio being in power saving mode? |
| 09:37.39 | freemangordon | jaska: can you setup a new alarm, stop it and check if heap size for systemui remains the same |
| 09:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: sure |
| 09:37.45 | freemangordon | or increases |
| 09:37.50 | jaska | holdon |
| 09:37.55 | jon_y | Macer: go scratch some other car :) |
| 09:38.02 | jaska | does the alarm have to go off? |
| 09:38.13 | freemangordon | jaska: I meant setup, wait it to be played, stop it |
| 09:38.18 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I get 250mA drain when streaming radio at work. |
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| 09:38.47 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: As soon as I enter 'iwconfig wlan0 power period 1' it drops to ~100mA. |
| 09:38.48 | freemangordon | jaska: and compare heap before/after |
| 09:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be just 'normal' |
| 09:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 09:39.13 | vi__ | If I then disable power saving 'iwconfig wlan0 power off' |
| 09:39.22 | vi__ | It jumps back to 250mA. |
| 09:39.37 | vi__ | It is set to powersaving maximum in the 'connections' menu. |
| 09:39.53 | jaska | freemangordon: soon it will scream :) |
| 09:39.59 | freemangordon | hehe :D |
| 09:40.15 | jaska | no change |
| 09:40.21 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 09:40.21 | vi__ | I am trying to determine if it is my device that is wonky, this AP or is n900 wifi powersaving broken? |
| 09:40.27 | jaska | but it might need more than one go to leak enough |
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| 09:40.38 | freemangordon | jaska: yeah |
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| 09:40.59 | freemangordon | well, I am going to doublecheck if it is not me guilty D: |
| 09:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: that will be hard to determine |
| 09:41.08 | jaska | http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ is my alarm sound :), extracted it from the swf |
| 09:41.13 | jaska | kinda creepy to wake up to that every morning |
| 09:41.26 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: In fact if I then limit the rate to 12M it drops to ~90mA. |
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| 09:41.46 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah, thought it might strike a chord with someone. |
| 09:42.06 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: This is where it gets crazy... |
| 09:42.35 | vi__ | If I then unlock the screen, it jumps back to ~250mA. |
| 09:42.50 | vi__ | Until I set powersaving mode with iwconfig again. |
| 09:43.12 | freemangordon | jaska: no, it is not me. the only places g_object_unref is called is for some icons in calendar alarm ui |
| 09:43.25 | jaska | ok, guess it needs to leak more then |
| 09:43.33 | freemangordon | it is never called for NotifyNotification objects |
| 09:43.36 | vi__ | So my device is not entering powersaving mode until told. Then it is leaving powersaving mode when I unlock the screen. w. t. f. |
| 09:43.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, PSM delays transmission of data packages. How should AP or N900 wifi know this stream is not realtime? |
| 09:43.41 | freemangordon | at least according to IDA |
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| 09:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: PSM is meant to not kick in during streaming |
| 09:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless your AP knows about the stream and does some bandwidth management |
| 09:45.56 | freemangordon | 3 days uptime, 6 alarms every morning which I snooze at least once |
| 09:45.59 | freemangordon | 00017000-0067c000 rw-p 00017000 00:00 0 [heap] |
| 09:46.01 | freemangordon | Size: 6548 kB |
| 09:46.04 | freemangordon | Rss: 4016 kB |
| 09:46.06 | freemangordon | Pss: 4016 kB |
| 09:46.13 | jaska | stock package? |
| 09:46.19 | freemangordon | no |
| 09:46.35 | freemangordon | but it will be the same with stock |
| 09:46.45 | freemangordon | at least by looking at the code |
| 09:47.04 | jaska | i dont snooze ever :), i used to snooze up to 2 hours per morning but found it futile :| |
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| 09:47.24 | jaska | so its just 5 alarms per week |
| 09:47.56 | freemangordon | jaska: well, this is why you have only abait 1M of heap despite your large uptime |
| 09:48.03 | freemangordon | *about |
| 09:48.14 | jaska | could be.. id have 100+ day uptime if i hadnt rebooted "recently" |
| 09:48.43 | jaska | doing a dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile got me a watchdog reboot after about 1h |
| 09:48.43 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: But why does PSM turn off when I unlock the screen? |
| 09:48.52 | freemangordon | but deffinitely, one needs to find all packages by the same developer and check them carefully |
| 09:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: no idea |
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| 09:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: after 60 minutes?? |
| 09:51.35 | jaska | yes.. it took like 1h before it hit it |
| 09:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: unusual for dd to run that long |
| 09:51.54 | jaska | but the device was unresponsive most of the time.. took like several minutes to get any ui action |
| 09:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, at least unless source AND dest are /deev/* |
| 09:53.06 | jaska | time for some nomnom. |
| 09:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | time for my doctor |
| 09:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hate walks outside when I got flu and it's raining |
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| 10:50.39 | destrs | Hello, after apt-get update and reboot i dont have sound in my n900(speakers,headphones). How to fix that? ): |
| 10:53.53 | vi__ | destrs: Is that the truth? |
| 10:54.11 | vi__ | destrs: All you entered was 'apt-get update'? |
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| 10:58.12 | destrs | vi__: day before i tried dist-upgrade but when i saw that apt removed 5 packages i canceled it :< |
| 11:00.49 | Drathir | vi__: apt keep log? |
| 11:01.40 | Drathir | maybe good to check what was updated? |
| 11:04.06 | _shadowx | Has any1 compiled lorcon && PyLorcon2 on/for n900 ? |
| 11:04.30 | kerio | dammit why do people keep breaking their n900 with apt |
| 11:04.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05 will never be convinced that it's safe, this way! :( |
| 11:05.27 | _shadowx | http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/22739/ <- it will be nice to have this in your pocket. |
| 11:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | destrs: apt-get update no way ever breaks anything on your device |
| 11:07.47 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 11:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | upgrade and particularly dist-upgrade definitely does, though |
| 11:08.03 | kerio | oh :c |
| 11:08.16 | kerio | why did it always work for me then? |
| 11:08.25 | destrs | so what now ?:( |
| 11:08.31 | kerio | destrs: did you enable some repos recently? |
| 11:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflah |
| 11:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash |
| 11:08.41 | kerio | nah |
| 11:08.57 | kerio | destrs: what audio-related programs and widgets do you have installed? |
| 11:09.09 | destrs | micro usb broken :( |
| 11:09.46 | kerio | oh lols |
| 11:09.53 | kerio | this is going to be fun |
| 11:11.13 | destrs | kerio: only decoders-support |
| 11:12.17 | kerio | destrs: can you make phone calls? |
| 11:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install --reinstall mp-maemo-fremantle-pr -- no warranty! and DO A BACKUP BY BM BEFORE YOU CONTINUE! |
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| 11:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | discuss this with others here, don't trust in my suggestion blindly! |
| 11:14.19 | kerio | well, it will fuck things up if he has cssu installed :) |
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| 11:14.30 | kerio | perhaps it's better to reinstall just pulseaudio first |
| 11:15.34 | tadzik | hm, apparently someone wants ncdu in the repos :) |
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| 11:15.47 | tadzik | Is it much of a hassle to upload stuff to extras-devel or something? |
| 11:17.51 | destrs | kerio: in phone calls sound and mic dont work too :( |
| 11:17.54 | kerio | tadzik: maemo.org is kinda broken, i'm afraid |
| 11:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: you don't 'upload' random stuff to extras-devel or any other repo |
| 11:18.07 | kerio | destrs: do you remember what you upgraded? |
| 11:18.07 | destrs | kerio: i have maemo-testing installed |
| 11:18.31 | kerio | destrs: you mean cssu-testing? |
| 11:18.38 | kerio | i meant on the last upgrade |
| 11:19.31 | destrs | yep, cssu-testing |
| 11:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you'd be a pretty 'good' police interrogator. |
| 11:19.40 | destrs | http://pastebin.com/cyREwQ6e < syslog |
| 11:20.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | asking suggestive questions is sometimes not exactly helpful |
| 11:20.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is that a compliment? |
| 11:20.27 | kerio | oic |
| 11:20.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wtf is maemo-testing, then? |
| 11:20.45 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: well, I'd have to apply for access there first, surely |
| 11:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my book maemo-testing is a repo |
| 11:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually called extras-testing |
| 11:21.19 | kerio | which repo? |
| 11:21.21 | kerio | oic |
| 11:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: afaik stuff moves to extras-devel via autobuilder, you upload the sources |
| 11:23.18 | tadzik | fair enuff |
| 11:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: also afaik autobuilder is possibly out of order right now |
| 11:23.44 | tadzik | heh, problem solved then |
| 11:27.41 | RiD | destrs you too, broken microUSB? |
| 11:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 11:27.54 | infobot | usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 11:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: another possible recovery path would be to get a BM backup of a 'virgin' system and restore that |
| 11:29.55 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Highly risky. |
| 11:30.09 | vi__ | What if he does not have the appropriate kernel modules in the new backup? |
| 11:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, you should make damn sure your kernel matches |
| 11:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | md5sum /dev/mtd0 should tell |
| 11:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user# md5sum /dev/mtd0 |
| 11:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18 /dev/mtd0 |
| 11:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | *might* not work with bad blocks, open to verification |
| 11:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user# uname -a |
| 11:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux |
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| 11:36.21 | RiD | Iro? fancy name |
| 11:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN |
| 11:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you've not seen my devel device yet: t900 |
| 11:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | (with glowing red eyes ;-D ) |
| 11:38.28 | jaska | ahnold |
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| 11:40.40 | RiD | Nokia Hal9000 |
| 11:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'd appreciate some half dozen users (with stock kernel) would do a md5sum /dev/mtd0ro and compare if they got same checksum, then report here |
| 11:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (comparing last 6 digits should suffice) |
| 11:47.55 | vi__ | but that means every 2^19 kernel iterations could result in a collison. |
| 11:48.06 | vi__ | Those are not odds I am prepared to take. |
| 11:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a survey it's good enough |
| 11:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds for users to fail due to other reasons are way higher |
| 11:51.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems nobody is running a stock kernel here anymore? |
| 11:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, you may contribute other md5sums alike. Would help as well |
| 11:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | output of md5sum /dev/mtd0ro and output of uname -a, in one line |
| 11:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or 2 if you CBA to concatenate them) |
| 11:54.16 | vi__ | 2.6.28.10-cssu3 |
| 11:54.16 | vi__ | 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18 /dev/mtd0 |
| 11:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 11:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, you're using errr uBoot? |
| 11:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even then |
| 11:55.27 | vi__ | No uboot here. |
| 11:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so how T F you get same md5sum? |
| 11:56.17 | tadzik | 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18, 2.6.28.10-cssu3 |
| 11:56.24 | vi__ | md5 hash collision? |
| 11:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | something flawed in my idea to md5sum the kernel? |
| 11:56.35 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I think so. |
| 11:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but what? |
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| 11:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | outch!! |
| 11:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | bootloader |
| 11:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel is mtd3 |
| 11:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 11:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, my bad |
| 11:57.29 | vi__ | 2.6.28.10-cssu3 |
| 11:57.29 | vi__ | de782385e4cef3c2acdebb1783cb0a3f /dev/mtd3 |
| 11:57.42 | vi__ | tadzik: should be the same as mine |
| 11:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user# md5sum /dev/mtd3ro |
| 11:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1b61c083ceef929660383ebb7e96ebce /dev/mtd3ro |
| 11:58.00 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: So that confirms, we are all using the same bootloader. |
| 11:58.01 | vi__ | good. |
| 11:58.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, rright |
| 11:58.19 | Pali | Now after two years of calculus they show us residue theorem... ARGH... |
| 11:58.27 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I am glad you though of eliminating that possibility. |
| 11:58.59 | kerio | Pali: it's a neat theorem :3 |
| 11:59.43 | Pali | I'm angry, some problems which takes me 30-45 minutes, now are easy (5-10min) |
| 12:00.03 | kerio | i still haven't done a complex analysis course |
| 12:01.46 | Pali | try integrate 1/(very big polynom) :D |
| 12:01.59 | kerio | Pali: NOPE.jpg |
| 12:02.00 | Pali | from -infty to +infty |
| 12:02.45 | freemangordon | i loved integrals, whe I was in uni |
| 12:02.50 | kerio | freemangordon: *why* |
| 12:02.57 | freemangordon | but hated differential equations |
| 12:03.26 | freemangordon | kerio: NFC, but fr some reason I was solving the very easily |
| 12:03.34 | freemangordon | *for |
| 12:03.37 | kerio | freemangordon: you haven't generalized them enough, then |
| 12:03.43 | freemangordon | ? |
| 12:04.25 | freemangordon | sorry for the typos, for some reason remote desktop eats a couple of letters in every sentence :D |
| 12:04.41 | kerio | mtd0: 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18 mtd1: 9a1d434dbd7197e7c3af8a7c28ca38b mtd3: 89217564b9b956bc96051c8eb9f609a3 mtd4: b23b5d09162b92c0284923a7f628d2a5 |
| 12:04.48 | kerio | whoops, something wrong there |
| 12:04.59 | kerio | and of course it's mtd2 |
| 12:05.08 | kerio | mtd2: 09a1d434dbd7197e7c3af8a7c28ca38b |
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| 12:06.07 | kerio | mtd3 is u-boot-2012.10-rc3-1+zImage-2.6.28.10-power52-prenov10 |
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| 12:07.22 | kerio | mtd2 and mtd4 are empty :D :D :D |
| 12:08.21 | vi__ | kerio: mtd4 is where I stash my pr0n. |
| 12:08.38 | vi__ | Typical bandwidth* usage for different codecs. |
| 12:08.38 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.38 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.38 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.38 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.40 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.43 | vi__ | oh shit. |
| 12:08.45 | vi__ | Sorry. |
| 12:08.49 | vi__ | wrong windown. |
| 12:08.54 | kerio | that's a paddlin0 |
| 12:08.56 | kerio | *paddlin' |
| 12:09.28 | kerio | vi__: my porn directory is 92GB after a big cleanup |
| 12:09.35 | kerio | so i doubt it would fit |
| 12:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you forgot ILBC |
| 12:10.00 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I was pasting to my notebook. |
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| 12:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: we're for sure not interested in md5sum of mtd2 or mtd4 |
| 12:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | also mtd1 is useless |
| 12:12.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it wasn't mtd1, it was mtd2 |
| 12:12.33 | kerio | i don't want to give you guys the hash to my CAL |
| 12:12.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got eyes to see what it was |
| 12:12.41 | kerio | you could reverse it and steal my lock code! |
| 12:13.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but i wrote that wrong, it was mtd2 |
| 12:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq so now your whole spamming rendered completely worthless |
| 12:14.29 | kerio | apart for mtd3 |
| 12:14.44 | kerio | and it was one line |
| 12:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I dunno what was mtd3 in your spam, if it been mtd2 instead, and where to find it in that mess |
| 12:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor trolling today |
| 12:15.56 | kerio | ...what? |
| 12:21.55 | tadzik | vi__: yep, mtd3 is alike |
| 12:34.34 | vi__ | tadzik: we can be kernel buddies! |
| 12:34.40 | tadzik | hooray! |
| 12:35.04 | kerio | silly people without uboot |
| 12:35.46 | tadzik | after I accidentally my entire partition table I'm less adventurous and less eager to toy with nemo :) |
| 12:36.06 | kerio | tadzik: you didn't your entire partition table |
| 12:36.18 | kerio | you just made a new one in /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 12:36.25 | tadzik | yeah, I also fscked my MyDocs |
| 12:36.33 | tadzik | ah, true |
| 12:36.40 | tadzik | right, it was just p1 |
| 12:44.22 | gomiam | . |
| 12:49.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i discovered that without any gadget module loaded, you don't get the stupid popup when you connect the n900 to a pc |
| 12:49.58 | tadzik | oh, while we're at it. Is there a way to tell n900 "pc unmounted you, give me my MyDocs back"? |
| 12:50.06 | tadzik | other than unplugging the usb cable |
| 12:50.08 | kerio | tadzik: it should happen on eject |
| 12:50.34 | tadzik | hm, that's different than unmount, eh? Will try, thanks |
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| 12:54.28 | vi__ | tadzik: read osso-mmc-umout.sh |
| 12:55.16 | vi__ | tadzik: and osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh |
| 12:55.36 | vi__ | in /usr/bin |
| 13:00.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: known fact. But yes, a useful measure sometimes |
| 13:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: eject sometimes called "safely remove" |
| 13:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: there's also `eject` cmdline binary |
| 13:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | on linux PC |
| 13:03.05 | kerio | diskutil eject as opposed to diskutil umount, on os x |
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| 13:15.57 | tadzik | yeah, I usually click the umount/eject button in KDE, turns out it doesn't always DWIM |
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| 13:16.49 | tadzik | vi__: thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 13:24.52 | Drathir | is any possibility to enable monit for password using root comans in console? |
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| 13:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: please rephrase |
| 13:26.07 | tadzik | no passwordless login, I guess |
| 13:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 13:26.17 | infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 13:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hooray, wiki completely down now? |
| 13:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 13:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh no, there it is |
| 13:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | just 'usually' slow |
| 13:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | see >># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot |
| 13:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | # this will allow your N900 to ask for ROOT password on "root" |
| 13:30.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | # and "sudo gainroot" as it's supposed to be |
| 13:32.02 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yours devel device must looks amazing ^^ |
| 13:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 13:32.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | because of red gleaming eyes? ;-) |
| 13:33.59 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: btw Nokia-N900:~# md5sum /dev/mtd0 |
| 13:33.59 | Drathir | 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18 /dev/mtd0 |
| 13:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sorry, we actually need mtd3 |
| 13:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus uname -a |
| 13:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOOOHOOO wiki edit works again!! |
| 13:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-Fade: thanks! |
| 13:36.24 | Drathir | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power51 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jul 23 16:41:15 EEST 2012 armv7l unknown |
| 13:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | err scratch that, doesn't store. Same like 5 days ago |
| 13:38.02 | Drathir | 8283eb01242352f4c87d246a172b1a80 /dev/mtd3 |
| 13:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: thanks |
| 13:38.36 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, what's the need for md5summing kernel partitions? |
| 13:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make sure the kernel is what we expect it to be, to match kernel modules in rootfs |
| 13:39.23 | Hurrian | ah |
| 13:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wanna make sure we get no false 'negatives' due to bad blocks in NAND |
| 13:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui that shouldn't happen, but anyway |
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| 13:40.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how much infrastructure would backupmenu need to run softupd+flasher? |
| 13:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, pretty much a complete core system? |
| 13:41.28 | kerio | why? |
| 13:41.30 | kerio | :( |
| 13:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | udev, upstart... |
| 13:42.08 | kerio | why does softupd need upstart? |
| 13:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's controlled by upstart |
| 13:42.32 | kerio | nope, not softupd --standalone |
| 13:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, nfc then |
| 13:42.51 | kerio | the one used by the -flasher packages |
| 13:43.03 | kerio | i think that the upstart one is for nokia suite updates |
| 13:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll test and tell us ;-) |
| 13:44.35 | kerio | softupd needs libdbus-1.so.3 |
| 13:44.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: maybe a lsof|grep softupd might give a first clue |
| 13:44.41 | kerio | i don't trust it >:c |
| 13:45.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch dbus |
| 13:45.13 | kerio | yep |
| 13:45.13 | kerio | :s |
| 13:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so even more than just a core system needed |
| 13:45.24 | kerio | heh |
| 13:45.45 | kerio | dbus is totally core system! |
| 13:45.53 | kerio | according to poettering, that is |
| 13:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, once lennart raided linux, dbus is a part of core system |
| 13:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 13:46.48 | tadzik | hehe, I was on lennart's talk when he was in town. The organizers later forced him to go to Metallica concert |
| 13:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 13:47.14 | kerio | haha, why? |
| 13:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | to torture him, I guess |
| 13:47.32 | kerio | also, couldn't you go to that concert and kick him in the head in the mosh pit? |
| 13:47.41 | tadzik | they knew he's not a metalhead and felt a need to convert him |
| 13:47.56 | tadzik | I wasn't going to waste 100 PLN on Metallica show |
| 13:48.06 | tadzik | so I just stood outside the fence for free :> |
| 13:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | not on metallica |
| 13:48.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | on lennart |
| 13:48.16 | kerio | tadzik: but you could've saved linux! |
| 13:48.18 | kerio | yep |
| 13:49.20 | tadzik | locating him could've been tough. Unless I convinced the guy (Hetfield?) to ask "Where tf is the pulseaudio guy?!?" in the middle of the show, and everyone would point at him |
| 13:49.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl |
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| 13:53.34 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for link to site there is so many usseful things... |
| 13:54.12 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes with this eyes... |
| 13:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for "useful things" |
| 13:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | glad you like it |
| 13:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 14:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just ried to add >>Install rootsh from extras-devel repository! (you need to do this in HildonApplicationManager aka HAM)<< to that wikipage, but wiki is broken :-/ |
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| 14:01.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why rootsh? :( |
| 14:01.43 | kerio | it enables awful behaviour |
| 14:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | why notß |
| 14:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I deal with that awful behaviour later |
| 14:03.22 | Drathir | this rootsh also install with radio application... |
| 14:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible |
| 14:03.47 | vi__ | I use apt. |
| 14:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | so radio application is braindamaged fubar |
| 14:03.58 | vi__ | deal with it. o-o |
| 14:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: eh? |
| 14:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ever tried to use apt in non-root account? |
| 14:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: or do you suggest to enable R&D mode to get sudo fixed so you can sudo gainroot? |
| 14:05.53 | vi__ | no, I was just having fun. |
| 14:06.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair that's supposed to be the "legit" way |
| 14:06.31 | kerio | an even cleaner one would be to install openssh and use its password setter, then login as root |
| 14:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be fair nobody gives a F* |
| 14:06.47 | kerio | why are you grumpier than the usual today? |
| 14:06.52 | kerio | still ill? |
| 14:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | flu |
| 14:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sucks |
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| 14:07.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 14:08.15 | kerio | get well soon! |
| 14:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | tnx |
| 14:08.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, council meeting tonight |
| 14:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | heads out to get a large bottle of wick medinait |
| 14:09.52 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: you need polish "Aspirin C" pick up from cold nose in a day... |
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| 14:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: if fremantle was properly designed, you couldn't install anything via HAM without giving device (==root) password. So no installing of security nightmare abominations like rootsh either. |
| 14:14.26 | kerio | yeah but people do some awful crap with gainroot |
| 14:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | see [2012-11-16 15:03:22] <Drathir> this rootsh also install with radio application... |
| 14:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess why |
| 14:15.27 | kerio | because they're morons? |
| 14:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, devels that CBA to read about sudo |
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| 14:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck is so difficult about installing your own tailored-to-fit /etc/sudoers.d/radioapp file? |
| 14:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | this radioapp ought to get demoted on testing |
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| 14:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: what's exact name of this radio app? |
| 14:25.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: qtradio or something like that |
| 14:25.04 | kerio | qradio, maybe |
| 14:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll file a bug against it "doesn't work on my device" (since it won't, due to my root password patch) |
| 14:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | "lrn2sudo!!1!11!" |
| 14:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I probably could even fix it in 10 minutes, modulo building |
| 14:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could provide a patch |
| 14:28.32 | kerio | no you can't |
| 14:28.33 | kerio | you have the flu |
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| 14:28.44 | kerio | don't sniffle and code |
| 14:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, might introduce a virus, BWAHAHAHA |
| 14:30.03 | kerio | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:30.07 | kerio | no ._. |
| 14:32.48 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok works now "root" ask for password but modify file by hand... |
| 14:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it's a simple edit |
| 14:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/qradio/0.4.10/ depends ROOTSH bwahahaaahaaa |
| 14:34.56 | kerio | we already went through this |
| 14:35.00 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: if good remember its QRadio |
| 14:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: yep. Thanks |
| 14:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: we did? dang, seems my memory starts to drop things |
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| 14:37.34 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: is option also to password to install app in file but works or not idk... |
| 14:37.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the only mention of root or gainroot is a fucking system("echo 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable' | root"); in mainwindow.cpp |
| 14:38.16 | kerio | which is a WTF in and of itself |
| 14:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, indeed dunno what it does there |
| 14:39.35 | kerio | there's also nothing that restores that flag |
| 14:39.39 | kerio | so there's that |
| 14:39.50 | kerio | also that package is one giant wtf |
| 14:39.54 | kerio | check in debian/ |
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| 14:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | s@system("echo 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable' | root");@system("sudo echo 0>/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable");@ |
| 14:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | see, I did it. Delivered patch |
| 14:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | despite flu |
| 14:42.27 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i little scare about install this radio with that dependencies but better app i dont see... btw thats the first app needed rootsh with all installed - strange... |
| 14:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | in less than 10 min |
| 14:42.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you suck |
| 14:43.11 | kerio | this is why you don't code with the flu! |
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| 14:43.20 | kerio | system() calls your shell to execute the char* you pass to it |
| 14:43.40 | kerio | the result is that your login shell gets passed "-c" "sudo echo 0 > /sys/whatever" |
| 14:43.56 | kerio | which is parsed as "sudo echo 0" while redirecting the output to /sys/whatever by any reasonable shell |
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| 14:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | grrrr |
| 14:44.31 | kerio | and of course, "sudo echo 0" will echo the most powerful 0 you can get on a unix system, but still doesn't help with the writing of that zero |
| 14:45.04 | kerio | s@system("echo 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable' | root");@@ |
| 14:45.05 | kerio | done |
| 14:45.47 | kerio | because why the fuck would you want to switch stations on cam focus anyway |
| 14:45.56 | kerio | that's for entering the tasknav |
| 14:46.17 | vi__ | kerio: who knows why. |
| 14:46.31 | vi__ | tklock sets camfocus enable to 0 |
| 14:46.47 | vi__ | camfocus disable |
| 14:46.50 | vi__ | whatever. |
| 14:47.03 | kerio | camfocus is really easy to press by accident |
| 14:47.10 | vi__ | tklock makes it so you cannot use the camfocus button while device is locked. |
| 14:47.10 | kerio | if your n900 is in a pocket or something |
| 14:47.17 | kerio | vi__: for good reasons |
| 14:47.23 | vi__ | kerio: not really. |
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| 14:48.03 | Drathir | maybe is stupid question but not easier to do with ctrl+R ? |
| 14:48.10 | vi__ | During startup I set it to enable then chmod 444 the /sys/ entry so I can have camera focus button to skip track. |
| 14:48.18 | vi__ | When device is locked and in my pocket. |
| 14:48.38 | vi__ | I think I can only recall 1 occasion where I have accidentally skipped a track with my pocket. |
| 14:48.39 | kerio | vi__: you're a freak |
| 14:48.41 | kerio | you're evil |
| 14:48.50 | kerio | NO |
| 14:48.53 | kerio | BAD VI |
| 14:49.03 | vi__ | kerio: For disabling camera buton focus disabling? |
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| 14:49.28 | kerio | vi__: and for using it for anything except tasknav |
| 14:49.37 | vi__ | short press == tasknav |
| 14:49.47 | vi__ | long press == skip track. |
| 14:50.05 | vi__ | no camera focus tasknav would be like having a lobotomy. |
| 14:50.07 | kerio | just use the buttons on the headset |
| 14:50.24 | vi__ | kerio: N900 only supports 1 button headset. |
| 14:50.37 | kerio | A2DP or bust |
| 14:50.56 | vi__ | kerio: Yeah, how many mA does maintaining a BT connection take? |
| 14:51.07 | vi__ | How often do I have to charge myt headset. |
| 14:51.20 | kerio | vi__: loads of buttons, though |
| 14:52.16 | Drathir | vi__: if good remember i look in repo something to enable headset buttons |
| 14:52.43 | kerio | Drathir: nah, it's only one at most |
| 14:57.21 | Drathir | anyone using advanced power battery? i think about its deamon not use extra battery power? |
| 14:59.27 | vi__ | Drathir: I would think so. |
| 14:59.51 | vi__ | Drathir: Pali is cooking a replacement that is better, just need to wait till he is finished. |
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| 15:01.03 | Drathir | vi__: nice i will waiting... |
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| 15:10.48 | Drathir | "braek" is nice app... |
| 15:12.27 | Drathir | should be in security/anty-thieft group ^^ |
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| 15:19.21 | tadzik | but sudo echo 0 will work with a root password set |
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| 15:19.53 | tadzik | em, I'm quite late with that :) |
| 15:19.55 | tadzik | nvm |
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| 15:25.05 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i have seen somestrange behaviours i have set manual wifi connection dns but resolv dont catch it but have own 127.0.0.1 and ::1 its normal? |
| 15:26.44 | Drathir | manual ip addres works use that i set inside wifi advanced options... |
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| 15:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: yes, fremantle is using dnsmasq |
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| 15:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so etc/resolv.conf has to point to localhost aka 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: real config is in /var/run/resolv* |
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| 15:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | man dnsmasq |
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| 16:05.59 | Chiku|dc | Ìû |
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| 16:18.38 | MohammadAG | mumbles |
| 16:21.29 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks i look there... |
| 16:22.08 | Lava_Croft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9UWCQi5rmfM |
| 16:22.13 | Lava_Croft | That's a pretty neato hack |
| 16:22.21 | Lava_Croft | completely unrelated to Maemo of course |
| 16:22.27 | Lava_Croft | I have to live up to myself |
| 16:29.56 | MohammadAG | Lava_Croft: hmm, neat indeed |
| 16:30.04 | MohammadAG | There was an app like that on iOS |
| 16:30.28 | MohammadAG | (Obviously not based on heart beat, but rather how your leg moves) |
| 16:30.31 | Lava_Croft | It would be a good way to try and force people at the gym to keep a certain pase |
| 16:30.34 | Lava_Croft | pace* |
| 16:30.57 | MohammadAG | Yeah |
| 16:31.15 | MohammadAG | Or they could put on some classical music |
| 16:32.03 | Lava_Croft | i do not associate gyms with fine music |
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| 16:32.58 | SpeedEvil | you can actually lose the Bluetooth watch and hrm. |
| 16:34.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.gradiant.org/en/news/news/577-estimacion-de-pulso-utilizando-una-webcam.html |
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| 16:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: hi! |
| 16:54.13 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: you write somthing app that show use cpu i maybe rember name of app ? |
| 16:54.34 | Drathir | something about* |
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| 17:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | cpu load applet iirc |
| 17:05.45 | kerio | cpumem-applet |
| 17:06.05 | kerio | there's also a different package with the cpu applet and the screenshot/screen record thing in the status area |
| 17:06.19 | kerio | which is fairly useless |
| 17:06.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, anyway that 'useless' applet is what I got and what works nice and does NOT hog cpu itself |
| 17:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | though... |
| 17:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, actually both screenshot and screencast are still there in system menu |
| 17:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | on my device |
| 17:09.33 | kerio | cpumem-applet is just the status area monitor |
| 17:09.43 | kerio | it's the same code |
| 17:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | load-applet - Show CPU and memory usage, take screenshots, record screencasts. |
| 17:10.05 | Lava_Croft | cpumem-applet is better |
| 17:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search cpu doesn't yield cpumem-applet here |
| 17:10.45 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks i check |
| 17:11.10 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/cpumem-applet/ |
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| 17:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 17:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks anyway |
| 17:12.17 | kerio | it's in every extras repo |
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| 17:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so why doesn't it show up in apt-cache search? |
| 17:13.07 | vi___ | ~seen vi_ |
| 17:13.09 | infobot | vi_ is currently on #maemo (2d 4h 6m 38s). Has said a total of 143 messages. Is idling for 1d 22h 43m 56s, last said: 'PPPPIIIINNNNGGGUUUUU!'. |
| 17:13.12 | vi___ | ~seen vi__ |
| 17:13.13 | infobot | vi__ is currently on #maemo (1d 6h 35m 32s) #maemo-ssu (1d 6h 35m 32s). Has said a total of 305 messages. Is idling for 2h 13m 22s, last said: 'Drathir: Pali is cooking a replacement that is better, just need to wait till he is finished.'. |
| 17:13.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: shows up here |
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| 17:13.49 | Lava_Croft | shows up fine here |
| 17:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, here not |
| 17:14.14 | Lava_Croft | wfm, your stuff is broken |
| 17:14.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure you have an extras repo enabled? |
| 17:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | so unless it's in a repo I haven't enabled, I dunno |
| 17:14.25 | Lava_Croft | its the first result that shows up when searching for 'cpu' |
| 17:14.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: >:-( |
| 17:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/cpumem-applet/ >:-(( |
| 17:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | "it's in **every** extras repo" |
| 17:16.50 | kerio | are you on diablo? |
| 17:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, indeed there's extras too |
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| 17:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, nfc why apt-cache search cpu doesn't show it |
| 17:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth fecked up my cache, update fixed it |
| 17:20.05 | kerio | :3 |
| 17:20.10 | kerio | i bet it was ham |
| 17:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't bet against that |
| 17:20.29 | kerio | anyway, i strongly suggest moving /var/lib/apt, /var/lib/dpkg and /var/cache/apt to /opt |
| 17:20.35 | kerio | symlinking them works fine |
| 17:21.08 | kerio | (it's unrelated to your problem) |
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| 17:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | something messed up repo cache |
| 17:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what, maybe apt-worker got killed or sth |
| 17:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: lrn2ghost |
| 17:26.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! [Notice] -NickServ- vi___ is not registered. |
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| 17:34.47 | vi___ | I have just dpkg -i the kernel-cssu.deb form freemangordon on merlin's repo. |
| 17:34.55 | vi___ | I mean dpkg -x |
| 17:35.03 | vi___ | it contains a file called: |
| 17:35.14 | vi___ | /media/05e83d41-53d3-4ffc-bf63-c18831611532/code/maemo/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin |
| 17:35.24 | vi___ | zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3.fiasco |
| 17:35.27 | vi___ | ^that one |
| 17:35.32 | vi___ | zimage... |
| 17:35.40 | vi___ | is that a regular zimage? |
| 17:35.50 | vi___ | it says fiasco at the end? |
| 17:36.18 | vi___ | Is it a strait up, down the line regular starit shooting zimage? |
| 17:39.06 | freemangordon | vi_: afaik it is fiasko image |
| 17:41.19 | freemangordon | vi_: but I think you can extract zImage |
| 17:42.06 | freemangordon | with flasher |
| 17:43.35 | vi___ | freemangordon: aah, I understand |
| 17:44.02 | freemangordon | BTW..., I think I found what else besides alarmUI leaks in systemui |
| 17:44.19 | freemangordon | double-click power button to lock |
| 17:44.25 | freemangordon | and slide-to-unlock |
| 17:44.36 | vi___ | freemangordon: I have created my own ideal 'ready to flash' images with 0 bloat and all the basic tweakz allready done. I am foing to make it a flashable image. |
| 17:44.43 | vi___ | freemangordon: HAH! |
| 17:44.46 | vi___ | I told you! |
| 17:44.52 | freemangordon | still not sure though, it might be power key menu as well |
| 17:45.00 | vi___ | tklock thing is an epic bullshit. |
| 17:45.12 | freemangordon | it is not tklock, but another plugin |
| 17:45.14 | vi___ | freemangordon: welldone! |
| 17:45.32 | vi___ | freemangordon: You are like some kind of programming jedi. |
| 17:45.38 | freemangordon | though I would like if someone can confirm it, as it might be specific to my device |
| 17:45.48 | vi___ | what do you need done? |
| 17:45.59 | freemangordon | check systemui heap size |
| 17:46.17 | vi___ | I have a spare device with cssu-thumb on it, but it could be flashed to stock in a few minutes. |
| 17:46.20 | freemangordon | play with power button, swipe-to-unlock and such |
| 17:46.34 | freemangordon | vi_: no need for stock |
| 17:46.50 | freemangordon | thumb does not touch systemui daemon |
| 17:47.20 | freemangordon | is going afk, bbl |
| 17:47.49 | vi___ | freemangordon: but what must I do??? |
| 17:48.09 | freemangordon | check heap |
| 17:48.20 | freemangordon | in /proc/'pidof systemui'/smaps |
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| 17:53.17 | vi___ | the entry labled size? |
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| 17:55.59 | vi___ | 00017000-001d8000 rw-p 00017000 00:00 0 [heap] |
| 18:00.58 | vi___ | freemangordon: http://cxg.de/_767016.htm |
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| 18:14.12 | vi___ | MohammadAG: Hey. Where can I find information on how to generate my own jff2 nand image? |
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| 18:14.38 | MohammadAG | vi___: ping Stskeeps |
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| 18:14.45 | MohammadAG | He has a page on mer about it |
| 18:14.48 | vi___ | MohammadAG: thank you. |
| 18:15.11 | MohammadAG | You're welcome, if i had the link i would've given it to you |
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| 18:18.40 | vi___ | MohammadAG: http://mer-project.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html |
| 18:18.45 | vi___ | Thanks for the tip! |
| 18:19.36 | freemangordon | vi__: The requested URL /_767016.htm was not found on this server. |
| 18:19.53 | qwazix | vi___, relevant info http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40619 (see post #7) |
| 18:20.38 | qwazix | (and #8) |
| 18:21.45 | kerio | vi___: it's not jffs2, it's ubifs |
| 18:26.15 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: can you kick vi__ |
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| 18:27.02 | vi___ | cheers mate! |
| 18:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 18:27.17 | vi___ | freemangordon: let me try again |
| 18:30.21 | vi___ | freemangordon: http://pastebin.com/BerSNxNC |
| 18:30.33 | vi___ | cxg.de must be broken right now :/ |
| 18:30.46 | vi___ | qwazix: ty |
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| 18:34.10 | qwazix | vi___, yw |
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| 18:43.08 | vi___ | MentalistTraceur: ! |
| 18:43.19 | MentalistTraceur | vi___ ! |
| 18:43.27 | vi___ | I did know you were partial to an IRC. |
| 18:43.48 | vi___ | oh, of course. Council meeting. |
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| 18:45.05 | kerio | NIN102: why doesn't rescueOS ship wifi drivers? |
| 18:45.44 | MentalistTraceur | I DO sometimes get on IRC of my own volition, vi___, just not too often do I find the time. |
| 18:46.02 | NIN102 | you mean firmware |
| 18:46.39 | NIN102 | because I wasn't sure about the licence issues so decided rather not to get shot by nokia + it adds bloat. |
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| 18:48.14 | MentalistTraceur | vi___ : to clarify my last point, the last time I got on #maemo was in the summer of this year. |
| 18:48.23 | MentalistTraceur | So, it happens... occasionally. |
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| 18:54.14 | freemangordon | vi___: do the values change if you lock by double-click? |
| 18:54.23 | freemangordon | double-press that is |
| 18:54.35 | freemangordon | esp this: |
| 18:54.36 | freemangordon | Size: 1796 kB |
| 18:54.37 | freemangordon | Rss: 1796 kB |
| 18:54.48 | freemangordon | for [heap] is that |
| 18:55.07 | freemangordon | and if you unlock by pressing the power button and swiping? |
| 18:55.48 | freemangordon | hmm, what the corect way to write that? swyping? |
| 18:58.46 | vi___ | swiping. |
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| 18:59.34 | freemangordon | I guess swype is Nokia (tm). Correct? |
| 18:59.34 | vi___ | freemangordon: That paste was AFTER I had swiped and un/lock a couple of times. |
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| 18:59.54 | freemangordon | vi___: the point is - does that change |
| 19:00.00 | vi___ | freemangordon: swype is a brand that makes vkb. |
| 19:00.05 | freemangordon | what was the initial value? |
| 19:00.10 | vi___ | aaah |
| 19:00.12 | freemangordon | aah, yes |
| 19:00.13 | vi___ | I under stand |
| 19:00.18 | vi___ | 1 sec |
| 19:01.59 | vi___ | size and Rss of what? |
| 19:02.06 | freemangordon | [heap] |
| 19:02.26 | freemangordon | BTW reinob posted a neat script on TMO, going to try it |
| 19:04.38 | vi___ | it grows around 48kB every couple of un/locks with swipe. |
| 19:04.46 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 19:04.56 | freemangordon | the fuck |
| 19:05.14 | freemangordon | wel,, lets find someone with stock PR1.3 to confirm |
| 19:05.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
| 19:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, busy |
| 19:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | l8r |
| 19:06.03 | freemangordon | vi___: can you confirm it leaks on unlock, and not on lock? |
| 19:06.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: NP |
| 19:06.12 | vi___ | freemangordon: 1 sec |
| 19:06.49 | freemangordon | unfortunately reinob's script need bb-power |
| 19:06.51 | freemangordon | *needs |
| 19:07.06 | vi___ | freemangordon: It grows on the unlock. |
| 19:07.15 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:07.26 | vi___ | freemangordon: what does reinob script do? |
| 19:07.58 | vi___ | ls |
| 19:08.17 | freemangordon | vi___: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1295012&postcount=58 |
| 19:09.09 | freemangordon | hmm, is that libsystemuiplugin_tklock.so? the one with swipe button? |
| 19:12.27 | freemangordon | yeah, seems like that. and there is no x86 binary :( |
| 19:13.05 | vi___ | freemangordon: I do not think there is anyone on the face of the earth who gives a shit about that swaipe to unlock screen. |
| 19:13.30 | freemangordon | besides me, that is how I unlock my devie |
| 19:13.33 | vi___ | perhaps eliminating it would be easier than fixing it? |
| 19:13.34 | freemangordon | *device :) |
| 19:13.45 | kerio | how do we eliminate it? |
| 19:13.46 | vi___ | freemangordon: wow, ok. |
| 19:13.51 | vi___ | kerio: I wish I knew. |
| 19:14.03 | vi___ | kerio: It smacks of corporate bullshit. |
| 19:14.07 | freemangordon | vi___: I am trying to keep my side slide intack ;) |
| 19:14.21 | freemangordon | *intact |
| 19:14.26 | kerio | vi___: to be fair, we're spoiled |
| 19:14.28 | vi___ | Some dumbass executive said 'hey guize, we need swipe to unlock, it is what all the cool kids are using these days!'. |
| 19:14.32 | freemangordon | another typo day :( |
| 19:14.43 | kerio | the otterbox protects a lot against accidental pwrbtn presses |
| 19:14.55 | freemangordon | I don;t use one |
| 19:15.05 | vi___ | freemangordon: You cant even buy one. |
| 19:15.18 | freemangordon | I am even not interested :) |
| 19:15.27 | freemangordon | if I can by or not that is |
| 19:15.30 | vi___ | You should be, they rule. |
| 19:15.42 | freemangordon | naah, I hate those |
| 19:15.45 | vi___ | cd custom_rootfs |
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| 19:25.33 | vi___ | kerio: flashable custom rootfs image: ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED |
| 19:26.16 | kerio | :D |
| 19:26.44 | vi___ | level 2, HARD MODE: custom flashable eMMC image. |
| 19:27.46 | vi___ | kerio: My root image even contains the appropriate kernel. |
| 19:28.08 | kerio | neat |
| 19:28.14 | kerio | vi___: why bother, though |
| 19:28.17 | kerio | ? |
| 19:28.43 | vi___ | kerio: So when I need to reflash 1 of my legion of n900s all the basic install/configuration is done. |
| 19:28.58 | kerio | how have you made the rootfs? |
| 19:29.01 | vi___ | reflash? BAM, STRAIT TO THUMB. |
| 19:29.16 | kerio | because the vast majority of the system is in /opt |
| 19:29.37 | vi___ | kerio: That is why I need to make a partner eMMC image as well. |
| 19:30.10 | vi___ | It contains flash 10, all my tweaks warez etc. |
| 19:30.45 | vi___ | Also, it turns out the magic ingredient in making SIP not suck balls is to limit the codecs it can use. |
| 19:33.28 | freemangordon | LMAO. Now, there is a scientific explanation of all this shit |
| 19:33.35 | freemangordon | Maintainer: Maria Starodubtseva <ext-maria.starodubtseva@nokia.com> |
| 19:33.37 | vi___ | freemangordon: ...yes? |
| 19:33.42 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: kerio Lava_Croft thanka also testing thats one... |
| 19:34.01 | vi___ | freemangordon: It was a woman? |
| 19:34.01 | freemangordon | vi___: maintainer of osso-systemui-tklock |
| 19:34.13 | freemangordon | well, I suspect she still is :P |
| 19:34.20 | freemangordon | but yeah |
| 19:34.25 | freemangordon | lemme check alarmui |
| 19:34.28 | vi___ | freemangordon: heh. |
| 19:34.34 | vi___ | You should email her. |
| 19:34.52 | freemangordon | Package: osso-systemui-alarm |
| 19:34.59 | freemangordon | Maintainer: Philippe De Swert <philippe.de-swert@nokia.com> |
| 19:35.33 | freemangordon | vi___: I'll prefer is somenone with better english do that |
| 19:35.43 | freemangordon | but yes, someone should mail her |
| 19:36.12 | freemangordon | i'll ask on TMO |
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| 19:36.50 | vi___ | maybe you could shame her into leaking secretly leaking a bunch of source cods |
| 19:36.56 | vi___ | ^code |
| 19:38.33 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:38.43 | freemangordon | I doubt email is still valid |
| 19:40.11 | kerio | i'm more concerned about the ext- rather than the gender of the developer |
| 19:40.33 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:40.43 | freemangordon | some outsorced stuff |
| 19:40.48 | freemangordon | *outsourced |
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| 19:41.40 | vi___ | Woody14619: o/ |
| 19:42.07 | freemangordon | kerio: if that is the case, I don't balieve we'll get any help |
| 19:42.09 | Woody14619 | hi, vi___ . :) In maemo-meeting right now. |
| 19:42.11 | freemangordon | *believe |
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| 19:57.55 | Drathir | vi___: its really strange when dev is a women? |
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| 20:06.04 | vi___ | Drathir: well, yes actually. |
| 20:06.13 | vi___ | I know of 0 femaile programmers. |
| 20:06.17 | vi___ | I know of 0 female programmers. |
| 20:06.31 | Drathir | i dont thinked that is really very small amount of women... |
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| 20:08.04 | Drathir | anybody try downscaling the cpu stepping to improve battery live? or this is bad idea because will no visable changes... |
| 20:08.16 | Drathir | life* |
| 20:09.19 | Sysaxed | Drathir, is your battery life that bad? |
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| 20:09.47 | kerio | Drathir: when the cpu is idle, it's effectively at 0MHz |
| 20:09.53 | kerio | there's a scaler, at least |
| 20:10.04 | kerio | and the biggest power draw is the screen |
| 20:10.08 | joga | Drathir I restricted the maximum scaling once to keep the laptop quiet |
| 20:10.09 | kerio | or possibly a 3G data transfer |
| 20:10.15 | Sysaxed | kerio, is there any way to see which applications cause the cpu to wake up? |
| 20:10.22 | kerio | Sysaxed: powertop |
| 20:10.24 | joga | (forced at 600MHz it was silent) |
| 20:10.33 | Sysaxed | wow, that was a quick answer.. |
| 20:10.55 | joga | oh, heh sorry didn't notice this was #maemo :) |
| 20:17.49 | jacekowski | Drathir: slowing down cpu makes battery life worse on n900 |
| 20:18.49 | kerio | Drathir: it's called race to idle |
| 20:19.02 | kerio | compute as fast as you can and then drop to 0 |
| 20:19.45 | Woody14619 | To be fair, race-to-idle has people arguing on both sides... some say it helps, some that it doesn't. :) |
| 20:20.27 | Woody14619 | I think it does on the N900, but only very marginally... |
| 20:20.40 | Woody14619 | And that can be usage pattern dependant... |
| 20:21.37 | Sysaxed | yep |
| 20:21.58 | Sysaxed | it should be worse if there's a lot of user activity |
| 20:22.12 | Sysaxed | and should be better if user rarely uses the phone |
| 20:22.16 | freemangordon | vi__: did some measurement some time ago |
| 20:22.59 | freemangordon | it turned out (according to ^^^) anything beyond 600 (iirc) makes battery life worse |
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| 20:23.27 | freemangordon | vi__: do you still keep that graphic? |
| 20:24.08 | freemangordon | s/graphic/graph |
| 20:24.10 | Woody14619 | nods. The tests confirmed what Titan found before him... 500-600Mhz you get the most CPU per unit of power. |
| 20:25.07 | freemangordon | the same TI state in docs |
| 20:25.17 | freemangordon | 500 is the sweet spot |
| 20:25.20 | Woody14619 | But as Titan's graphs all vanished not too long after he did.... |
| 20:25.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hooray for keeping stuff at external private servers :-) |
| 20:26.06 | Woody14619 | Yup. It's pretty flat from 500-600. |
| 20:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I know I know, I'm doing that as well) |
| 20:26.23 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 20:26.23 | Woody14619 | Actually, they were on TMO, but TMO archives after a set time, and attachements get lost. |
| 20:26.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 20:26.45 | Woody14619 | Discussion stays around forever... attachements do not. |
| 20:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's... pretty BAD |
| 20:27.18 | Woody14619 | Yup. |
| 20:27.39 | Woody14619 | Thus the push to get all those script-kiddies posting debs to their threads to move to repos. |
| 20:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we should do backup of files more frequently |
| 20:28.02 | Woody14619 | .oO(Execept for one or two... ending in "patch") |
| 20:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | pics too? embedded ones? |
| 20:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw say hello to MentalistTraceur :-D |
| 20:32.02 | MentalistTraceur | Heh. Greetings all. |
| 20:32.15 | Woody14619 | AFAIK: yes. But don't know for sure. |
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| 20:45.46 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
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| 21:01.35 | RiD | hello wild members |
| 21:01.56 | freemangordon | GTK anyone? |
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| 21:06.13 | Drathir | jacekowski: kerio that have a right i dont think about scalling in that side... |
| 21:07.00 | kerio | Drathir: https://lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/ |
| 21:07.11 | RiD | he unly grunts |
| 21:07.16 | kerio | Drathir: and https://lesswatts.org/ in general |
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| 21:11.09 | RiD | boys... |
| 21:11.16 | RiD | how ruined is this? http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8513/dsc00846lv.jpg |
| 21:12.43 | RiD | is it just putting a microusb thing on there and connect to these 5 little things? |
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| 21:16.09 | ShadowJK | looks usable |
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| 21:16.49 | ShadowJK | Those 5 little things yeah, the others are for keeping it in place, I'd think. One of those look a bit damaged |
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| 21:21.38 | RiD | whaa :< |
| 21:21.56 | RiD | one of these 5 things look a bit damaged? |
| 21:22.01 | RiD | or you mean the stuff to hold them? |
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| 21:22.07 | RiD | the bottom right one? |
| 21:22.09 | Drathir | kerio: good site thanks... |
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| 21:22.38 | RiD | why nokia why didn't you do this http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7059/dsc00861un.jpg |
| 21:23.04 | ShadowJK | The bottom right one yeah |
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| 21:23.46 | ShadowJK | RiD, that looks like similar design actually, unless that extra cage is throughhole :) |
| 21:24.19 | ShadowJK | hm.. in your original photo, are there short stubs of the original 5 pins left in the solder? :) |
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| 21:24.57 | RiD | you mean, little "pointy" things? (forgive my english, it is quite bad in mechanical terms) |
| 21:25.28 | RiD | well, on the pic it looks like so. I'll look it up |
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| 21:25.52 | ShadowJK | Yeah it looks like pointy things sticking out from the 5 small pads |
| 21:26.36 | kolp_ | freemangordon: Got device with PR1.1 or 1.2 here |
| 21:26.43 | kolp_ | freemangordon: and tklock leaks even more :) |
| 21:27.08 | RiD | well, i can't really tell with my eyes lol |
| 21:27.34 | RiD | Also, the other one is indeed throughhole |
| 21:27.44 | RiD | 4 things supporting that extra cage |
| 21:27.51 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 21:28.03 | RiD | it's a cheap ass (terribly slow) LG phone |
| 21:28.24 | RiD | now, what would those little pointy things mean? would that affect anything? |
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| 21:28.32 | freemangordon | kolp: aah, they fixed it in newer firmwares? :D:D:D |
| 21:28.48 | kolp | freemangordon: 'fixed' it ;) |
| 21:29.01 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:29.57 | ShadowJK | RiD, well I just thought it looked interesting that the solder didn't fail there, but the pins themselves broke |
| 21:30.02 | kolp | freemangordon: Sometimes around 120kB Size & Rss EACH |
| 21:30.10 | kolp | haven't found a real pattern yet |
| 21:30.16 | freemangordon | LOL |
| 21:31.16 | RiD | now, i'm not seeing how my father is going to connect those extremely tiny dots |: |
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| 21:33.30 | Drathir | kerio: maybe you hear about 3k mAh batteries to n900? ? |
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| 21:34.05 | kerio | Drathir: you need a special backcover |
| 21:34.19 | kerio | the backcover for the MUGEN battery |
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| 21:34.43 | kerio | which is thick enough to be able to fit two normal BL-5Js taped together |
| 21:34.47 | FredrIQ|n900 | i was considering buying one of those |
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| 21:35.02 | FredrIQ|n900 | but I suppose they wouldn't work with my external charger |
| 21:35.04 | kerio | at that point, use two 1500mAh batteries |
| 21:35.12 | kerio | and you've got your 3Ah battery |
| 21:35.26 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: i already do :) |
| 21:35.44 | FIQ|n900 | would be neat with more power in just one battery though |
| 21:36.16 | kerio | FIQ|n900: the best ever made so far is the akku polarcell, 1520mAh |
| 21:36.27 | RiD | 3040mAh |
| 21:36.39 | kerio | RiD: with two of those, yes |
| 21:36.42 | RiD | why not have 3 batteries? |
| 21:36.56 | kerio | RiD: because two batteries actually fit, with the mugen backcover |
| 21:36.59 | kerio | three, not so much |
| 21:37.08 | RiD | Make it even thicker, haha |
| 21:37.16 | ShadowJK | RiD, does he have experience with SMT soldering |
| 21:37.39 | kerio | vi___: what was your idea? bl-5j and bp-4l? |
| 21:37.56 | RiD | i think so, but it's been a while and his eyes aren't the same |
| 21:38.05 | FIQ|n900 | fit two batteries at the same time??? |
| 21:38.05 | RiD | + that thing is so small i really can't imagine it being possible O_o |
| 21:38.12 | FIQ|n900 | now how would that even work |
| 21:38.28 | ShadowJK | RiD, well with a hot air soldering station it'd probably be easy? |
| 21:38.30 | kerio | FIQ|n900: mugen xl backcover, a tiny bit of soldering and a bit of tape |
| 21:39.00 | RiD | Yeah. That's way easier :D just put a huge dot on top of it and wait for things to burn |
| 21:39.02 | FIQ|n900 | backcover feels like the least problem right now.. |
| 21:39.07 | RiD | then have a not working N900. |
| 21:39.21 | RiD | unfortunately that's what he's mostly used to work with. |
| 21:39.27 | FIQ|n900 | how do you just attach the two batteries to the power uh |
| 21:39.31 | kerio | FIQ|n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
| 21:39.32 | FIQ|n900 | "connection"? |
| 21:39.38 | kerio | FIQ|n900: make them just one battery |
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| 21:53.29 | vi___ | kerio: Yeah. |
| 21:53.46 | vi___ | bp-4lcomes from nokia@1650mAh. |
| 21:53.48 | kerio | vi___: what's the biggest bp-4l you can get? |
| 21:53.58 | vi___ | Comes from mugen power@1800mAh. |
| 21:54.05 | kerio | neat |
| 21:54.08 | vi___ | There are rumours of a 1900mAh. |
| 21:54.26 | kerio | so polarcell bl-5j and mugen bp-4l would give you 3300mAh |
| 21:54.28 | vi___ | The BP-4l is the biggest battery you can fit in a mugen cover. |
| 21:54.30 | kerio | ...neat |
| 21:54.35 | vi___ | kerio: More or less. |
| 21:54.45 | vi___ | Buy a mugen cover while you still can. |
| 21:55.00 | vi___ | They only cost $15 |
| 21:55.33 | vi___ | Il wager there is room for a laptop wifi patch antenna inside the cover as well... |
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| 22:04.41 | Drathir | kerio: but you know someone who use is? is save for phone? |
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| 22:38.09 | kerio | what the fuck, my n900 thinks my dedicated charger is actually a usb host |
| 22:38.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: halp |
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| 22:39.06 | Drathir | kerio: re switched? |
| 22:39.47 | vi___ | Drathir: re-switched? |
| 22:40.44 | kerio | yay, rebooting fixed it |
| 22:41.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I usually fix that by un-&re-plugging charger |
| 22:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: but yeah, I seem to recall I had lockups too |
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| 22:45.21 | Drathir | have funny tnings is possible that oryginall nokia charged broken? because oryginal 1.2k mAh charging power is that low then cant on the phone but earlier BB9300 oryginal rim 900mAh charging and also can switch on... |
| 22:46.04 | Drathir | wait 750mAh* |
| 22:46.54 | Drathir | dam* mA bad dict... bad... |
| 22:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: I'd not mix LiIon like BL-5J with LiPo like BP-4L |
| 22:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: you should make sure you use batteries with identical chemistry when you want to parallel them |
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| 22:51.29 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: ...should. |
| 22:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: why not use 3 batteries? http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_003.jpg |
| 22:52.50 | vi___ | Because we can only use what will fit in a mugen back door. |
| 22:53.13 | vi___ | And those 2 batteries are just too much size. |
| 22:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, they aren't |
| 22:54.05 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: nice compression of place... |
| 22:54.16 | vi___ | A mugen cover can only accomodate 40mm (iirc) width. |
| 22:55.34 | vi___ | actually I can access my notebooks online. 1 mo. I will tell you EXACTLY how much room there is in a mugen cover. |
| 22:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | BL-4C/5C/6C, should fit under any reasonably extended deepth backcover, when you remove the plastic housing and protecction circuitry, which is needed only once and gives you an additional ~5mm in cell length |
| 22:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | saves you an* |
| 22:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF 40mm? what did they do to the remaining ~17mm ? |
| 22:58.21 | vi___ | 63*44*6mm |
| 22:58.27 | vi___ | Sorry that was wrong. |
| 22:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fill it with plastic? store atomic waste there? |
| 22:58.45 | vi___ | Stupid micro fail skydrive slow as frozen shit in an igloo.shit |
| 23:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the BL-nC are ~54mm length, and it looked to me as if they'd fit pretty well into a bac cover that's just a bit deeper than the original |
| 23:00.28 | Drathir | or mod the default from outside orginal cover with only plug ooing inside phone... but made that must be smart and good planned... |
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| 23:01.05 | vi___ | Drathir: That would work like shit. |
| 23:01.20 | vi___ | Drathir: A company called mugen make new covers. |
| 23:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had a few such 'bomblet' designs |
| 23:01.28 | vi___ | Drathir: The cover is bigger. |
| 23:01.50 | vi___ | Drathir: The cover has 63*44*6mm space inside. |
| 23:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: what's in the rest of it? |
| 23:02.53 | Drathir | vi___: yes the cover is the best idea, but in my country sad but dont find any mugen covers... |
| 23:02.54 | ShadowJK | 'd consider BL-5J and BP-4L the same chemistry.. atleast considering there's probably bigger difference between new nokia bl-5J and the old BL-5J, compared to difference between old BL-5J and BP-4L |
| 23:02.59 | vi___ | The cover is curved on the back. |
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| 23:03.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: WUT? |
| 23:03.31 | vi___ | Also there is space taken up by the switch to simulate the camera slider, |
| 23:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | omg |
| 23:04.10 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: http://mugen.s3.amazonaws.com/catalog/product/cache/5/image/3cf0ca6dbe9e7e88d6bb53bb8599e085/n/9/n900xl2_1.jpg |
| 23:04.44 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: I have measured the space with a caliper gauge. |
| 23:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see |
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| 23:06.25 | vi___ | bp-4l is 66x43x5mm |
| 23:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sou you need shorter batteries, not 55mm but 40mm |
| 23:07.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, no, you need bp-4l :-D |
| 23:07.55 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: ~40mm with the PCB removed. |
| 23:08.10 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Now you see! |
| 23:08.28 | vi___ | Drathir: You must buy from mugen website. |
| 23:09.03 | vi___ | Drathir: They will send all over the world, for money. |
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| 23:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: maybe you can find some cell that's a 1mm thicker |
| 23:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | should give 20% more capacity |
| 23:10.05 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Perhaps. Unfortunatley only nokia battery dimensions are well documented. |
| 23:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a bp-5l maybe? |
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| 23:11.26 | vi___ | 67*45*5mm |
| 23:12.01 | vi___ | Perhaps if you stripped the label off you could squeeze that last bit. |
| 23:12.13 | vi___ | Actually the battery has a curved edge. |
| 23:12.30 | vi___ | It would perhaps fit nicely into the cover. |
| 23:13.18 | vi___ | The 44mm measurement is minimum width measured at the bottom of the curve. |
| 23:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange. Nokia's funny. BL-4C and 5C and 6C are same length and width, just each a tad thicker than the other |
| 23:13.57 | vi___ | It is still only rated at 1500mAh. |
| 23:14.04 | vi___ | The same as the best bl-5j |
| 23:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: (chemistry) what if one cell has a U/tmp rate of 5mV/°C and the other 15mV/°C ? |
| 23:17.37 | amospalla | for some reason, sometimes contacts duplicate, and appear new contacts with IM accounts, and original contacts loose that IM account |
| 23:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange |
| 23:18.37 | amospalla | is anyone experiencing that? its always been like that |
| 23:18.54 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, the Z will play a bigger part |
| 23:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | not using IM, so can't help. sorry |
| 23:19.14 | amospalla | thanks DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:19.15 | vi___ | amospalla: if you disable, then re-enable an account it will happen. |
| 23:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: when cells heat up, the one will charge the other, which makes both heat up even more |
| 23:19.39 | amospalla | vi___: and so, that applies, to group status, I guess |
| 23:19.46 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: There is an 1800mAh Mugen BP-4L. I will wager it is a tiny bit thicker. |
| 23:19.46 | amospalla | I use these |
| 23:19.55 | amospalla | vi___: thanks |
| 23:20.04 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 23:20.44 | ShadowJK | vi___, the mugen BP-5L was a bit thinner than nokia BP-5L. Also, the Mugen BP-5L is 1200mAh. (Advertised 1800 on their site). :) |
| 23:23.28 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, the anode and cathode will still be made of the same materials, the electrolyte in polymer battery would be different, but that probably only mostly affects how the battery's internal impedance across the temperature and load range varies? |
| 23:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: I'm not saying this must inevitably result in a problem, but I'm *very* cautious with connecting in parallel different cell types |
| 23:25.11 | ShadowJK | I don't think the chemistry difference is much bigger than that of a battery manufactured today and a battery manufacturered last year to the same nominal specs |
| 23:25.13 | vi___ | ShadowJK: Mugen bastards! |
| 23:25.34 | vi___ | How the FUCK did this utter goon get an n950? |
| 23:25.39 | vi___ | http://www.blackphoebe.com/msjen/2012/07/nokia-n950-how-to-op.html |
| 23:25.48 | vi___ | read the last comment. |
| 23:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: I'd also strongly discourage anybody to connect batteries of different age |
| 23:26.14 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: definatle. |
| 23:26.52 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, yes :) |
| 23:29.12 | jacekowski | how somebody can come up with BS like that |
| 23:29.23 | jacekowski | batteries never have 3.7V exactly |
| 23:29.37 | jacekowski | typical "3.7V" is charged to 4.2 iirc |
| 23:30.54 | ShadowJK | Well, 3.7V is the midpoint between 3.2 and 4.2. Panasonic has batteries that have useful energy, and doesn't sustain damage down to 2.8 or so, and those might be labeled as 3.6V nominal. LG has batteries that are stable up to 4.35V, and those get labeled 3.8V... or it might be 3.8V because there's no energy left after 3.4V? |
| 23:30.54 | vi___ | jacekowski: Yup. |
| 23:31.44 | vi___ | Either way, let us mock her ignorance of our culture. |
| 23:31.46 | ShadowJK | in any case, the "normal" 3.2 - 4.2 range of N900 is pretty "safe" for all these things, you just don't get the full rated capacity |
| 23:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: hm? |
| 23:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: BS like what? |
| 23:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, MsJen |
| 23:34.39 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: iirc N900 can take like 30V over usb |
| 23:34.59 | jacekowski | or whatever bq24150 can do |
| 23:35.19 | vi___ | surely there is some form of over voltage protection? |
| 23:35.30 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, I meant that the thresholds used by N900's battery management of 3.2 being empty and 4.2 for full, is perfectly compatible with the 3.8V batteries |
| 23:35.40 | vi___ | Some zeners or something. |
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| 23:36.01 | vi___ | gtg |
| 23:36.03 | vi___ | gn |
| 23:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 will smoke up on >20V, but probably suffers damage at 12V already |
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| 23:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | since VBUS detection pin from GAIA isn't really protected against overvoltage, and GAIA has not the nice high tolerance against OV like bq24150 |
| 23:40.51 | Drathir | sad that HAM dont have list export option... |
| 23:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | list export? |
| 23:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: I think there are other ways to get all the lists you might ever want. Just specify what exactly you're after |
| 23:44.13 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes installed aplication list |
| 23:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | create a backup and check the .tgz |
| 23:44.42 | Drathir | yes i know that apt can do that |
| 23:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a fine list of installed apps |
| 23:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | (built-in hildon backup app) |
| 23:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually not apt but dpkg -L |
| 23:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | -l ? |
| 23:46.05 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok i have but not jet checking insde backups |
| 23:46.15 | Drathir | yet* |
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| 23:58.52 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: appdownloader have something other than HAM ? or it is only the gui? |
