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| 00:48.40 | louisdk | hi :) |
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| 00:55.13 | louisdk | is everybody sleeping? :) |
| 00:55.24 | Skry | nope |
| 00:56.23 | louisdk | skry: do you use an n900 as your primary phone? |
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| 00:58.58 | Skry | louisdk: yes |
| 01:00.16 | louisdk | skry: cool. do you have cssu installed on it? |
| 01:00.59 | Skry | sure, and thumb |
| 01:01.37 | louisdk | skry: does thumb make a big performance boost? |
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| 01:03.10 | Skry | you'll notice the difference |
| 01:04.48 | louisdk | skry: okay. i have an n950. nice phone but miss the hildon desktop. |
| 01:05.17 | Skry | yeah, h-d is nice |
| 01:06.17 | louisdk | skry: what about the battery life on your n900? |
| 01:08.51 | Skry | well, I have the original battery from '09 and I guess it's sufficient, I dont do calls that much. It runs several days idle. |
| 01:09.30 | Skry | I think I usually charge it every other day |
| 01:10.36 | louisdk | skry: when i used an n900 i had to charge i everyday cause i always had my IM accounts enabled. |
| 01:13.38 | Skry | sounds normal. imo battery is fine if it lasts through the day, you can charge it while you sleep. |
| 01:16.14 | louisdk | skry: well i don't have fuctional n900 anymore. mic and usb broken. |
| 01:18.50 | Skry | fix it |
| 01:22.03 | louisdk | i can't really find a way to fix the mic without getting a new phone. it's a motherboard issue |
| 01:23.50 | Skry | ahh, ok then. you could fix the usb though and start doing something with it |
| 01:23.57 | Skry | or you can sell it to me dirt cheap :) |
| 01:27.02 | SpeedEvil | mic is 'easy' to fix |
| 01:27.15 | SpeedEvil | it's a relatively large part IIRC |
| 01:27.25 | SpeedEvil | but it is a nontrivial repair |
| 01:28.24 | jonwil | damn, I wish it wasn't so hard to use openssl to do AES encryption :( |
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| 08:06.30 | eyaler | ~ask i have a question about using MADDE, anybody here uses it? |
| 08:06.30 | infobot | Nope, eyaler! I won't ask "i have a question about using MADDE, anybody here uses it" |
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| 08:17.22 | eyaler | ~ask i need help using MADDE, i'm trying to install a package and i get an error "ld returned 1 exit status" |
| 08:17.23 | infobot | Nope, eyaler! I won't ask "i need help using MADDE, i'm trying to install a package and i get an error "ld returned 1 exit status"" |
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| 08:59.49 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:19.30 | teotwaki | morning Jaffa |
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| 09:30.52 | eyaler | anybody is using MADDE? |
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| 09:51.25 | Pali | eyaler, hi, I'm using madde |
| 09:52.04 | eyaler | great.. |
| 09:52.19 | eyaler | so, i have a quesiton did u mange to work with opencv? |
| 09:52.28 | eyaler | on which OS are u working on? |
| 09:52.32 | teotwaki | ~spelling |
| 09:52.32 | infobot | spelling is probably best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." as Andrew Johnson pointed out. Spelling also doesn't make any difference on IRC. |
| 09:52.48 | teotwaki | infobot: bitch |
| 09:52.48 | infobot | [bitch] a female dog . an iz a bad word if used wrongly . dont say dat ok |
| 09:53.00 | teotwaki | ~lart infobot |
| 09:53.00 | infobot | does a little 'renice 20 -u teotwaki' |
| 09:53.18 | teotwaki | I got pwned by infobot :( |
| 09:53.38 | eyaler | Pali, are u still here? |
| 09:54.00 | eyaler | teotwaki, please stop.. thank you |
| 09:54.27 | Pali | I did not tried to compile opencv |
| 09:54.41 | Pali | but madde has problem with pkg-config and autotools |
| 09:54.46 | eyaler | on which OS are u working? |
| 09:54.50 | Pali | linux |
| 09:54.57 | teotwaki | eyaler: don't tell me what to do :) |
| 09:55.23 | eyaler | mmm.. i'm working on windows 7... and i have annoying problem.. |
| 09:56.06 | eyaler | i can work with opencv APIs but i cant work with the highgui API (aka saveImage...) |
| 09:56.33 | eyaler | who can i adress any question about this subject? does nokia still support it? |
| 09:57.25 | teotwaki | Has Nokia ever supported OpenCV? |
| 09:57.28 | teotwaki | I thought it was an Intel project? |
| 09:57.55 | eyaler | yes it is.. my question is does nokia still support MADDE? |
| 09:58.59 | teotwaki | Nokia doesn't support anything Maemo related anymore, as far as I can tell. |
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| 10:02.14 | user__ | hello |
| 10:02.38 | eyaler | yes, you are probebly right dear teotwaki.. :-( |
| 10:02.43 | eyaler | hello user_ |
| 10:03.47 | eyaler | but who can i ask question about it.. ? |
| 10:03.49 | teotwaki | eyaler: even if they do say they support it, I'd trust that support about as far as I can throw a fridge. |
| 10:04.29 | eyaler | hey, maybe ur the Hulk.. he can throw a fridge... |
| 10:06.07 | user__ | i accidentally powered off my device while copying a file. now i can't delete that file. is there a way rto remove that broken file? |
| 10:06.57 | vi__ | What device? |
| 10:07.02 | user__ | n900 |
| 10:07.11 | vi__ | xterm, as root, rm <your file> |
| 10:07.31 | vi__ | Check this out: |
| 10:07.34 | vi__ | http://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Nokia-N900-AluArmor-Jacket/dp/B003CJ4ZFM |
| 10:07.35 | user__ | i tried. it shows that is a system file. |
| 10:07.47 | vi__ | user__: dafuq? |
| 10:07.51 | Cor-Ai | sudo rm -f file |
| 10:07.56 | Cor-Ai | can work |
| 10:08.10 | vi__ | sudo rm -f <yourfile> as root? |
| 10:08.17 | vi__ | Who would root sudo? |
| 10:08.37 | vi__ | kerio: ping |
| 10:08.46 | Cor-Ai | well.. i meant without root first! |
| 10:08.52 | Cor-Ai | :p |
| 10:09.04 | Cor-Ai | old habit of typing sudo first |
| 10:09.21 | vi__ | sudo... |
| 10:09.26 | vi__ | ewwrrgh. |
| 10:09.41 | vi__ | boontu is that way --> |
| 10:10.03 | Cor-Ai | haha im so clumsy that i destroy stuff if im root.. |
| 10:10.25 | Cor-Ai | and no, its that way <-- |
| 10:11.40 | vi__ | But, if boontus over there...that means...OH SHIT. |
| 10:11.41 | vi__ | BRB |
| 10:12.30 | vi__ | amazon.com price:$27 |
| 10:12.34 | user__ | thanks a lot. but now i cant delete the folde that file contained. t shos that folder is read only! |
| 10:12.41 | vi__ | amazon.co.uk price:£27 |
| 10:13.23 | vi__ | It is cheaper to order from america and have shipped to the UK than from the UK. |
| 10:13.26 | vi__ | wtf amazon. |
| 10:14.22 | teotwaki | vi__: try living in Australia for kicks. |
| 10:14.58 | jon_y | or New Zealand |
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| 10:15.11 | SUMEDHE5DMS | Hello. i can't delete a folder. i used xterm also. it shows that is "Read Only". how can i delete it friends? |
| 10:16.18 | jon_y | vi__: agreed, sudo su - :) |
| 10:18.16 | vi__ | SUMEDHE5DMS: become root |
| 10:18.30 | vi__ | SUMEDHE5DMS: rm -r ./<the name of your folder> |
| 10:18.55 | vi__ | 60cents to the £ |
| 10:19.32 | Cor-Ai | my eyes :( stop hilighting him! |
| 10:19.39 | pcfe | are those the odds you take WRT the user forgetting the dot? ;-P |
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| 10:30.40 | vi__ | pcfe: Yes! |
| 10:32.03 | pcfe | vi__: :) I like your humor |
| 10:34.34 | jon_y | with newer gnu coreutils, rm -rf / will produce a warning |
| 10:34.42 | jon_y | no idea about busybox though |
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| 11:06.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~spell u |
| 11:06.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: useless |
| 11:06.28 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 11:07.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | teotwaki: you might try ~die as well. I mustn't since she takes it literally when I tell her so |
| 11:09.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | teotwaki: or you do the turing test on her, which she still doesn't stand |
| 11:10.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart herself |
| 11:10.07 | infobot | hits herself with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 11:10.21 | eyaler | i will try again.. anybody here is using MADDE under Windows 7 OS?? |
| 11:11.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | odds are almost all devels are on linux. eyaler |
| 11:11.52 | eyaler | yes, so i am a lonely ranger here.. but, maybe there is one.. |
| 11:12.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | as, I mean, they're all developing for a linux target, and those devels usually deprecate windows |
| 11:13.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, keep on asking |
| 11:13.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | one or two others might share your fate |
| 11:14.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | or have tried to, at least |
| 11:14.18 | jon_y | eyaler: madde on Win7? |
| 11:14.30 | jon_y | isn't that the usbnet thing on the phone? |
| 11:14.39 | eyaler | jon_y: yes |
| 11:14.52 | eyaler | MADDE on windows 7... |
| 11:15.06 | jon_y | arm cross compiler? |
| 11:15.33 | eyaler | yes... |
| 11:15.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~madde |
| 11:15.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmmm |
| 11:16.03 | eyaler | i write my code on QT in windows 7 OS, and compile directly to the Nokia N900.. |
| 11:16.14 | jon_y | wouldn't it be easier to do it on Linux? |
| 11:16.26 | eyaler | yes it would.. |
| 11:16.38 | jon_y | or a VM |
| 11:16.46 | eyaler | but it for my University project and my teacher wants it to work on windows |
| 11:17.00 | eyaler | yes, also on VM it will be easier.. |
| 11:17.21 | jon_y | ok, do one for windows and use the VM for the n900 |
| 11:17.39 | jon_y | sounds simple enough |
| 11:18.12 | eyaler | well, i thought about going that direction but i mange to do some stuff in windwos |
| 11:18.49 | eyaler | so far i mange to add debuging ability to QT on the Nokia and add opencv the problem is that i can make highgui API to work.. |
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| 11:19.26 | jon_y | sorry, no idea bout those |
| 11:19.34 | eyaler | i mange to open IplImage object but i cant use cvSaveImage |
| 11:19.55 | eyaler | those are good ideas.. |
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| 11:27.53 | teotwaki | "manage" |
| 11:27.59 | teotwaki | "mange" is "eat" in French. |
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| 11:46.51 | Hurrian | Does anyone notice that the N900 can power more demanding headphones thru the jack? |
| 11:47.09 | Hurrian | My N9 simply cannot power any of my kit. |
| 11:47.23 | Hurrian | (Without an amplifier, of course.) |
| 11:48.25 | vi__ | Hurrian: wut |
| 11:49.29 | Hurrian | vi__, simple as this: Insert headphone jack into N900, music can play thru them. Insert into N9, no output. |
| 11:50.37 | Hurrian | It's the same with my iPod Nano 6th gen - no output, so I assume the N900 can somehow power higher-impedance headphones. |
| 11:52.54 | vi__ | or... |
| 11:52.58 | vi__ | DRM HEADPHONES! |
| 11:53.28 | Hurrian | >working on the N900, not on the N9 and iPod |
| 11:53.43 | Hurrian | That's some DRM scheme there, exactly what I'd expect from DRM schemes ;) |
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| 12:14.29 | flux | I have the same with my car stereo regarding N9 and N900 |
| 12:14.38 | flux | haven't tried fixing it with a possibly new connector or a resistor |
| 12:17.36 | Hurrian | flux, a portable amp should do it. |
| 12:19.24 | Hurrian | I tried it with a friend's FiiO E7 on an iPhone which couldn't otherwise power my HD595. |
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| 12:19.40 | Hurrian | the downside though is that you need to carry around an amp, which needs a separate battery. |
| 12:20.02 | flux | I'm seriously not having a portable amp to deal with line output.. |
| 12:20.25 | flux | it's not about being able, it's about it not eving noticing that there's a cable plugged in |
| 12:20.38 | flux | ..probably due to too low resistance or something |
| 12:21.01 | Hurrian | you mean too /high/ resistance. |
| 12:22.00 | Hurrian | Even my desktop's built in audio struggles to drive the HD595. A dedicated amp really comes in handy for high-impedance stuff. |
| 12:22.52 | Hurrian | On a side note, one would wonder why a car audio's line in has high impedance - it does have it's own power supply |
| 12:23.22 | SpeedEvil | to avoid damage from shorts |
| 12:25.43 | vi__ | just received an n900 |
| 12:25.47 | vi__ | opened it up. |
| 12:25.48 | vi__ | WTF |
| 12:26.02 | vi__ | has this thing been used as an air filter during the paris dakar rally? |
| 12:27.36 | SpeedEvil | :-\ |
| 12:27.43 | SpeedEvil | does it work? |
| 12:27.57 | vi__ | it powers up. |
| 12:30.25 | vi__ | headset jack seems a bit...loose. |
| 12:30.26 | Hurrian | vi__, time for a can of air? |
| 12:30.41 | vi__ | Hurrian: I am at work, we have a compressor! |
| 12:30.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | time for a retour |
| 12:31.00 | Hurrian | vi__, loose as in it wiggles or it doesn't hold in a 3.5mm well? |
| 12:31.15 | SpeedEvil | careful! |
| 12:31.22 | vi__ | Hurrian: the 3.5mm jack seems to move 0.5mm sided to side. |
| 12:31.26 | Hurrian | either way, that'd mean it's a really worn out device |
| 12:31.27 | SpeedEvil | don't compressed air the mic |
| 12:31.45 | vi__ | I am not sure if it is the connector or the space the connector sits in. |
| 12:31.46 | SpeedEvil | the jack is not soldered to the board IIRC |
| 12:31.54 | SpeedEvil | it's springs |
| 12:32.08 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: no way, I am going to blast those little 0602 right off the board. |
| 12:32.14 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: Yeah. |
| 12:32.16 | flux | hurrian, well, how does one fail to detect too high resistance compared to not having a wire at all? |
| 12:32.18 | vi__ | That is what I meant. |
| 12:32.22 | SpeedEvil | the microphone |
| 12:32.33 | vi__ | flux: With a multimeter that goes that high! |
| 12:33.39 | flux | hurrian, I mean, it probably is able to detect that there is no wire, and then it detects that there's some resistance.. if there's high resistance, it's even further away from the 'no connection' state.. |
| 12:34.01 | flux | actually no :). I'm thinking this backwards, right? |
| 12:34.15 | flux | infinite resistance would be the no wire-case |
| 12:34.35 | flux | but I can lower that resistance by connecting the signal/gnd through a resistor |
| 12:37.16 | vi__ | now is time to try the internal battery->cap mod! |
| 12:37.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: Hurrian: sth along not working*at all* with 3pin maybe? |
| 12:38.07 | vi__ | I have never seen a phone full of so much pubes and crap. |
| 12:38.35 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer51, these aren't TRRS connectors |
| 12:39.31 | Hurrian | vi__, ugh, yuck. Dust getting into the N900 is bad enough, how does that stuff get in there? |
| 12:39.37 | Hurrian | I don't even want to think about it. |
| 12:39.52 | Hurrian | I'd strip the case components down, and give them a good dunk. |
| 12:39.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: check how devices distinguish headset, headphone,, AV |
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| 12:40.41 | vi__ | wtf |
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| 12:40.52 | vi__ | it has no aerials. |
| 12:41.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | the 'usualm jack is 4pin |
| 12:41.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry for typos, eating burger and N900 SUCKS for typing on table |
| 12:43.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: Hurrian: the common 3pin jack shorts mic pin to GND |
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| 12:44.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | but actually N9 might have low output impedance and thus too low voltage on high impedance inputs like line-in |
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| 12:47.10 | Hurrian | That's what I suspect. I'll cut up a cable and measure voltages on a pair of crappy flight earphones. |
| 12:48.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: for car audio a separation transformer 'DI-box' is highly recommended anyway. You could use a step-up 1:1p transformer |
| 12:48.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | 1:10 |
| 12:50.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | on low impedance headphones, max 'allowable' voltage is some 100mV, for line in you want some 2V |
| 12:52.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you use a plug with 50R resistor from 3rd contact to GND/4th, odds are the device will switch to AV mode and ramp up voltage on 1. + 2. pin (L + R) to line level |
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| 12:55.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, it's all up to the question: is sound way too silent, or is there no sound at all? |
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| 12:59.59 | Hurrian | There is no sound at all. |
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| 13:30.46 | vi__ | how do I fix the vibrate motor? |
| 13:30.56 | vi__ | it 'feels' wonky and rough. |
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| 13:42.45 | vi_ | AARRRRGH. |
| 13:42.57 | vi_ | My PC just bluescreened MID FLASHING. |
| 13:45.24 | vi_ | USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x01c8. |
| 13:45.27 | vi_ | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. |
| 13:45.29 | vi_ | [init 20 % 32768 / 255947 kB 0 kB/s] |
| 13:45.32 | vi_ | c:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5> |
| 13:45.33 | vi_ | what the hell is this? |
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| 13:45.44 | vi_ | The first time I have had an n900 that will not flash! |
| 13:46.40 | Pali | vi_, use linux |
| 13:47.17 | Pali | window userspace usb access via device filtering is really bad |
| 13:47.32 | vi_ | but it has worked like 20 times before. |
| 13:47.55 | vi_ | It starts to flash, then goes to the 5 dots! |
| 13:48.18 | Pali | you are lucky that your windows worked 20 times! |
| 13:48.25 | vi_ | hah! |
| 13:52.40 | vi_ | funny thing is, I can flash the rootfs. |
| 13:52.47 | vi_ | Just not the emmc. |
| 13:53.55 | Eyaler | hello anybody using MADDE? |
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| 13:59.49 | vi_ | so I can flash rootfs and it will boot up. |
| 14:00.02 | vi_ | But I cannot flash emmc, it just tries to boot up! |
| 14:01.40 | Pali | Eyaler, rather use scratchbox |
| 14:02.20 | Pali | madde is only semiworking and without gnu utils & debhelper on debian not very usable... |
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| 14:20.33 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: ping |
| 14:22.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_: tmp pong |
| 14:23.27 | vi_ | can you suggest a reason why a n900 would be able to flash rootfs but fail on emmc? |
| 14:24.15 | vi_ | As in it starts to flash emmc, gets to 20% of the first part then just stops. The n900 then attempts to boot. |
| 14:24.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | for flashing eMMC you need a semi-sane rootfs |
| 14:24.33 | vi_ | Yup |
| 14:24.44 | vi_ | So I have flashed rootfs. It went through fine. |
| 14:26.28 | vi_ | when I attempt emmc it just fails. |
| 14:26.33 | vi_ | I will paste the output. |
| 14:28.21 | vi_ | Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB |
| 14:28.23 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.23 | vi_ | USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0105. |
| 14:28.24 | vi_ | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 |
| 14:28.27 | vi_ | NOLO version 1.4.14 |
| 14:28.29 | vi_ | Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 |
| 14:28.32 | vi_ | Booting device into flash mode. |
| 14:28.35 | vi_ | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 14:28.39 | vi_ | USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x01c8. |
| 14:28.40 | vi_ | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. |
| 14:28.43 | vi_ | [init 20 % 32768 / 255947 kB 0 kB/s] |
| 14:28.45 | vi_ | oops |
| 14:29.38 | vi_ | well it shows that then starts to load 5 dots, |
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| 14:29.46 | vi_ | then hangs. |
| 14:31.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | battery empty? |
| 14:31.42 | vi_ | no, battery full |
| 14:32.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | use better USB cable, better USB driver lib, other PC OS |
| 14:32.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | blacklist all possibly interfering modules |
| 14:32.51 | vi_ | what the actual fuck. |
| 14:33.14 | vi_ | I pretty much hosed the emmc when the a flash failed and caused my pc to bluescreen. |
| 14:33.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | the effect is not unknown |
| 14:33.35 | vi_ | The device booted but showed the 'no image' grey squares thing that you see with a hosed emmc. |
| 14:33.49 | vi_ | so I flashed rootfs again. |
| 14:34.06 | vi_ | then tried emmc. It failed like the text I pasted above. |
| 14:34.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | ep |
| 14:34.27 | vi_ | Now I have switched the device on and the emmc contents are back! |
| 14:34.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 14:34.40 | jon_y | try a different usb port? |
| 14:34.52 | vi_ | jon_y: done that. |
| 14:34.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 14:35.06 | jon_y | some ports are really hubs |
| 14:35.26 | jon_y | took me a day to figure out when flashing the N9 would mysteriously fail |
| 14:35.39 | vi_ | jon_y: I have tried the ports on the front and on the back of thePC. |
| 14:35.52 | vi_ | I have used this PC to flash another n900 some 20 times or so before. |
| 14:35.54 | jon_y | luckily USB3 hubs are rare, so USB 3 ports are likely not hubs |
| 14:36.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | windows? uninstall pcsuite |
| 14:36.31 | jon_y | "Now I have switched the device on and the emmc contents are back!" <- so is it fixed now? |
| 14:36.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | or better et, use linux ;) |
| 14:36.43 | vi_ | jon_y: I am not sure. |
| 14:37.02 | vi_ | for emmc to come back you need to transfer ~200mb of data. |
| 14:37.13 | vi_ | according to the flasher output it managed about 32mb. |
| 14:37.43 | jon_y | I guess you could try it in Linux |
| 14:37.51 | vi_ | it seems it is a 2101. |
| 14:38.02 | jon_y | knoppix, or a vm |
| 14:39.05 | jon_y | I miss knoppix |
| 14:39.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | my guess: it didn't even start to flash emmc |
| 14:39.44 | jon_y | these days, pretty much any end-user oriented distro comes with a bootable CD |
| 14:42.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_: also check your emmc img for latest. the old on doesn't work with new rootfs |
| 14:42.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | old one* |
| 14:42.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | check md5sum! |
| 14:43.15 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: They are the last images released by no-workia |
| 14:43.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | users with flawed download reported dame problems |
| 14:43.35 | vi_ | I just took fresh copies from my backup stash as well. |
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| 14:43.52 | vi_ | I have used these images loads of times. |
| 14:44.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | then finally nuke that redmond crap on your machine, get an OS instead for doing serious stuff |
| 14:45.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 14:46.11 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer51: but games! |
| 14:46.19 | jon_y | games are serious business :) |
| 14:46.35 | vi_ | have you not heard? |
| 14:46.39 | vi_ | steam for linux! |
| 14:46.48 | vi_ | Half life 3 will be released on gentoo first! |
| 14:46.50 | jon_y | not all games are on steam |
| 14:47.16 | jon_y | d3d games everywhere :( |
| 14:47.44 | vi_ | good point. |
| 14:47.55 | vi_ | I do not think the source engine has an opengl mode. |
| 14:48.21 | jon_y | my RTS game doesn't use source |
| 14:48.51 | jon_y | I remember the old HL1 game, it has GL mode |
| 14:49.03 | jon_y | looks about the same as D3D mode |
| 14:49.27 | vi_ | yes pre source had openl mode. |
| 14:49.51 | jon_y | so when is team fortress coming? :) |
| 14:50.35 | jon_y | I played the classic 1.5, would not touch the newer one without the ability to grenade spam |
| 14:51.24 | vi_ | u spam no skill gay noob. |
| 14:53.20 | jon_y | vi_: no, spy grenade spam requires skill to be effective |
| 14:53.30 | vi_ | ok, it has to be the PC. |
| 14:53.30 | jon_y | otherwise you'd be wasting grenades |
| 14:53.53 | vi_ | nade spam - don't wan to risk wasting nades. |
| 14:53.54 | vi_ | wut. |
| 14:54.16 | jon_y | hallucination grenades is often lethal when spammed correctly |
| 14:54.27 | vi_ | I have never played TF so I cannot really comment. |
| 14:55.08 | jon_y | everybody had more or less the same model in TF classic |
| 14:55.44 | jon_y | class == gun you're holding |
| 14:55.50 | jon_y | simple as that |
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| 15:17.44 | trx | does cssu stable have rotation issues? |
| 15:18.52 | trx | every time i want to answer my phone, the UI is missing and visible only while rotating the phone and then it goes away |
| 15:18.55 | trx | randomly |
| 15:19.37 | trx | or should i abandon cssu? |
| 15:19.45 | Lava_Croft | teamfortress on the halflife engine is like windows phone on harmattan hardware |
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| 15:23.03 | Lava_Croft | jon_y: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FVJ__rBFxk |
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| 16:06.32 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: Figured it out. |
| 16:06.44 | vi_ | perhaps. |
| 16:07.10 | vi_ | I think newer versions of nokia suite ship a new version of libusb0 (on windows). |
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| 16:08.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | quite possible, toldya uninstall nokiasuite |
| 16:08.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | also toldya to get rid of redmond completely |
| 16:08.30 | vi_ | what a ball breaker. |
| 16:08.39 | vi_ | Nokia, why u breakin my balls? |
| 16:08.53 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: I use linux by choice. on everything. |
| 16:08.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's clearly MS |
| 16:09.01 | vi_ | Just not this PC. |
| 16:09.33 | vi_ | M$ can suck the sweat from my nuts. |
| 16:09.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, job over, heading home, bbl |
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| 16:26.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | get a liveCD |
| 16:27.15 | Skry | offtopic but does anyone know if the operator lock can be removed from Nokia N95? Google only mentions N95 8GB and something that "regular" N95 has different method in unlocking. |
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| 16:30.17 | vi_ | Skry: afaik the n95 is busted wide open by now. |
| 16:30.43 | vi_ | It was pre-encrypted bootloader thingy that came out around 5800. |
| 16:30.50 | kerio | neat |
| 16:30.54 | kerio | run fremantle on it |
| 16:31.05 | vi_ | nope |
| 16:31.21 | vi_ | nokia use to use there own special arm chips. |
| 16:31.26 | vi_ | ^their |
| 16:34.09 | Skry | vi_: hmm, ok thanks, gotta do some more googling then. |
| 16:35.11 | vi_ | Skry: afaik you need a jaf box. |
| 16:37.48 | Skry | vi_: meh, don't have one, and dont know anyone who would have one :\ |
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| 17:48.32 | Pali | Hi! now testing all packages from rx51-bme-replacement and it working! |
| 17:48.54 | Pali | now I can shred BME binaries :-) |
| 17:49.18 | Skry | great! :) |
| 17:49.48 | trx | no more closed soruce bme? :) |
| 17:50.00 | trx | congrats :) |
| 17:50.48 | Pali | DEB packages are here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ |
| 17:51.08 | Pali | source code is here: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/ |
| 17:51.42 | Pali | freemangordon, merlin1991, DocScrutinizer51 ^^^^^ |
| 17:52.03 | Pali | now it working on maemo with kernel-power (pre)v52 |
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| 17:53.14 | kerio | Pali: why does it load the modules? |
| 17:53.18 | kerio | aren't they loaded automatically? |
| 17:53.30 | Pali | no, modules are blacklisted in kernel-power |
| 17:53.59 | Pali | but if modules are loaded modprobe will skip loading (and return 0) |
| 17:54.03 | kerio | i see |
| 17:54.21 | kerio | Pali: btw, does the stock battery applet work with your bme replacement? |
| 17:55.25 | Pali | yes |
| 17:55.37 | kerio | Pali: and what's the bq2415x-charger policy regarding the end of the charge? |
| 17:56.04 | Pali | same what is in charge21.sh script |
| 17:56.49 | kerio | and what's that? :) |
| 17:57.04 | kerio | let bq24150 do its thing? |
| 17:57.15 | kerio | it's probably the best thing, but it's still annoying |
| 18:01.17 | ShadowJK | (charge restart happens at around 95% with Japod BL-5) and PR1.3 kernel and charge*/bq24150) |
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| 18:04.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: wtf is annoying about bq24150 battery management? |
| 18:04.54 | kerio | the thing where i have to restart the charge 90 mins before leaving the house in the morning :) |
| 18:05.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | you don't have to |
| 18:07.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | nly annoying thing is you findint the fly in the ointment now that you have a way to tell what's actually going on |
| 18:08.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | while old bme signalled 'charging ended' despite battery taing another 100mA during the next 2h |
| 18:09.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | while old bme signalled 'charging complete' despite battery taking another 100mAh during the next 2h |
| 18:10.14 | kerio | hm |
| 18:11.34 | ShadowJK | bq27200 "full" is much earlier than bq24150 too, but bq27200 obviously caps it at 100% |
| 18:12.13 | kerio | ShadowJK: RSOC or CSOC? |
| 18:12.19 | ShadowJK | at one point I integrated current over time and calculated that in some cases it'd charge another 15% after bq27200 full :) |
| 18:13.25 | ShadowJK | both |
| 18:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 18:13.55 | kerio | how can you "integrate" over a bunch of datapoints? |
| 18:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | look at a good math teaching book for that |
| 18:14.32 | kerio | it's... a sum |
| 18:14.40 | ShadowJK | On N8x0 where I've also done integrating fuel gauge, it says "full" when you plug in charger if battery is above 70-80 percent or so :) |
| 18:15.36 | kerio | Pali: modules loaded, no bme, no reboots, hald-addon-bme running |
| 18:15.44 | ShadowJK | Well, bq27200's average current is for last 5s, which means it's current/3600*5 mAh change |
| 18:15.45 | kerio | how do i test libbmeipc and/or dsme-thermalobject-surface? |
| 18:16.06 | Pali | kerio, open syslog and grep for bme |
| 18:16.11 | kerio | no syslog |
| 18:16.14 | kerio | 3: |
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| 18:16.30 | Pali | pulseaudio using libbmeipc and it write output to syslog |
| 18:16.39 | kerio | hm |
| 18:16.40 | Pali | without syslog, it is not possible |
| 18:16.45 | ShadowJK | or smth like that |
| 18:17.08 | jonwil | yay for new open BME :) |
| 18:17.55 | Pali | jonwil, removing BME on maemo5 is possible now :-) |
| 18:18.17 | jonwil | cool :) |
| 18:18.22 | kerio | Pali: i don't get messages from pulseaudio on stop/start |
| 18:18.25 | kerio | in syslog |
| 18:18.27 | jonwil | another piece of proprietary junk bites the dust :P |
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| 18:19.14 | Pali | kerio, wait pulseaudio did not ask for temperature every second |
| 18:19.27 | Pali | jonwil, yes bme is replaced :-) |
| 18:19.38 | jonwil | which piece of proprietary junk should be replaced next? |
| 18:19.40 | kerio | Pali: ok, i'll wait a bit |
| 18:19.46 | Pali | jonwil, systemui or mce |
| 18:19.51 | kerio | jonwil: pulseaudio! |
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| 18:20.00 | Pali | pulseaudio was opened |
| 18:20.04 | jonwil | also, do you still need to know anything about systemui_actingdead? |
| 18:20.11 | Pali | only one library is closed |
| 18:20.12 | kerio | lennart poettering is the proprietary of pulseaudio |
| 18:20.17 | kerio | because it definetely isn't mine |
| 18:20.45 | Pali | jonwil, problem is that what you wrote about actingdead is same what doing battery applet |
| 18:20.48 | Iridos | hm, is there any java browser plugin one can have in maemo on the n900? ... Icedtea, perhaps? mmh, there's an icedtea6 package, but no plugin? |
| 18:21.09 | jonwil | is there more info I can find for you? |
| 18:21.30 | Pali | jonwil, everything about systemui |
| 18:21.46 | jonwil | I found out all I can about systemui :P |
| 18:21.56 | Pali | ok :-) |
| 18:22.14 | jonwil | I still think icd would be a nice target for replacement :P |
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| 18:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | icd could use some proper documentation how to use and configure it, first |
| 18:29.04 | kerio | how's gnome's networkmanager? |
| 18:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | after that, any replacement is probably easy |
| 18:29.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: does it matter? |
| 18:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's networkmanager compatible to icd? I don't think that's any valid replacement |
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| 18:32.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, it's a replacement |
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| 18:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | android also is a replacement, as is winp7 |
| 18:33.08 | kerio | it's an opensource replacement! :P |
| 18:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's no replacement |
| 18:33.37 | kerio | by the way, what can programs do with icd2? |
| 18:33.43 | ShadowJK | icd is the one thing that made sense to close-source, because it works much better and reliably than networkmanager while consuming less ram |
| 18:33.43 | Skry | if we speculate about such options, connman would be a good base to start, networkmanager not so much. |
| 18:33.44 | kerio | bring up the connection dialog and/or ask for a saved connection |
| 18:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | like a stone isn't a replacement for a gun |
| 18:34.11 | kerio | and what else? |
| 18:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, seems you start to understand why I asked for proper docs of icd first |
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| 18:38.23 | ShadowJK | I spent a month trying to configure notworkmanager on my PC, and it's almost OK now, except it kills internet if I plug in my N900, and also randomly kills network drives on a semi-regular schedule :( |
| 18:38.27 | ShadowJK | Yeah I'd rather see conman |
| 18:38.29 | ShadowJK | (not over icd though) |
| 18:38.35 | kerio | >almost OK |
| 18:38.41 | kerio | wtf |
| 18:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | any such "replacement" would at very least need a converter from old icd config files to new replacement's config |
| 18:39.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the replacement of course needs to provide the full API like icd does |
| 18:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yep, NM thinks of N900 as a new cute NIC |
| 18:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it drops all existing connectivity to set up a new route via N900 |
| 18:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's however the optimal case |
| 18:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually it just is messing up all that can get messed up |
| 18:42.51 | Skry | I believe connman is fully modular, including configuration part so perhaps it could be made directly read old configs as is. It's also targeted for embedded devices so, again, it might be a good starting point. |
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| 18:44.46 | Skry | oh, looks like it's sponsored by nokia and intel :) |
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| 18:48.22 | kolp | Pali, I have KPpre52 running and installed your bme-replacements as well as your bttery status plugin. Now the device won't charge the battery and the battery plugin shows it as empty (0%) and 1426/-1 mAh. Did I miss something? |
| 18:48.43 | kolp | Also it won't boot with charger plugged in, but that seems to be an older problem |
| 18:49.22 | kolp | (First noticed that after last thumb update) |
| 18:49.34 | Pali | kolp, are kernel drivers loaded? |
| 18:49.48 | Pali | which version of status menu plugin do you have? |
| 18:54.26 | kolp | bq27x00_battery and bq2415x_charger are loaded, yes |
| 18:54.59 | Pali | and rx51_battery? |
| 18:55.14 | kolp | Yes |
| 18:55.38 | Pali | upload somewhere output of lshal |
| 18:55.47 | kolp | It should charge automatically when I plug in the charger, shouldn't it? |
| 18:56.19 | Pali | yes |
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| 18:58.13 | kolp | Pali, will upload. Just noticed something: with plugged-in charger the displayed mAh increases. Now "1443/-1 mAh" |
| 18:58.59 | Pali | this seems like problem with rx51_battery driver which export design capacity (-1) |
| 18:59.08 | Pali | why is there -1? |
| 18:59.34 | Pali | did you using old version of my new status menu plugin for battery? |
| 19:00.17 | kolp | Hm, maybe. I'll try to update |
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| 19:00.37 | Pali | do update (deb package is on same url) |
| 19:00.41 | Pali | reboot and try again |
| 19:01.00 | Pali | if still not working, upload output of lshal to pastebin |
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| 19:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you'll wnat to provide a debug tool with all your projects, consisting of a simple script to query properties of key components (like lsmod >>pr.log; ls -l /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/x/y >>pr.log) and finally upload that to a pastebin and spit out the URL |
| 19:07.43 | Pali | ok |
| 19:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | also stuff like ps, cat /sys/*/*/*/* etc |
| 19:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you might comnsider useful - aim is to get all the info you'd probably ever want to analyze problems on user side by user simply running that script |
| 19:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | uname -a |
| 19:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg --foo --bar |
| 19:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat syslog |
| 19:10.36 | Pali | I will create new thread on TMO with all info |
| 19:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought about a script, not about a howto on tmo |
| 19:11.50 | Pali | yes, I will create script... |
| 19:12.12 | Pali | ... but thread on TMO will be usefull that BME is replaced :-) |
| 19:12.35 | kerio | Pali: please tell people to make a full backup before doing that install |
| 19:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | instruction could be a simple as pasting one line here: >>>root; wget http://pali.cz/bme/aux/debug.sh; . ./debug.sh; #paste output (URL) here please <<< |
| 19:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: (useful) sure thing |
| 19:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 19:15.14 | kolp | Pali, ok, some progress: it's now 0 instead of -1, and it recognizes the charger being plugged in (shows the 'Charging banner nd the battery icon is animated). |
| 19:15.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | also kerio had a useful comment once again :-D |
| 19:16.01 | kolp | Hm, trie dbq27200.sh to see if it knows the last charging's capacity, but that script's no longer working now? |
| 19:16.09 | Pali | kolp, I need output of lshal |
| 19:16.15 | kolp | Ok, hang on |
| 19:16.17 | kerio | kolp: it doesn't work if bq27x00-battery is loaded |
| 19:16.30 | kerio | check if what you want is in /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/ |
| 19:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: my major concern |
| 19:16.43 | Pali | I think that battery is not calibrated so last full is not available |
| 19:16.56 | Pali | but I do not know why rx51_battery does not reported design capacity |
| 19:17.07 | kolp | Pali: yes, that's why I wante dto run that script :) |
| 19:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq27200.sh will stop working since bq27200.ko is exclusively opening the I2C device for that chip |
| 19:17.27 | Pali | kolp, run lshal and upload output |
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| 19:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: >>last full is not available<< is not possible. When chip gets reset, it moves ILMD from ROM to "last full" |
| 19:20.47 | Pali | so when can be last full 0? |
| 19:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly ever |
| 19:21.02 | kolp | Pali: http://pastebin.com/PMfGTdC8 |
| 19:22.05 | Pali | kolp, which battery do you have? |
| 19:22.08 | Pali | BL5J? |
| 19:22.11 | Pali | or other? |
| 19:22.20 | kolp | Yes, old original Nokia |
| 19:22.27 | Pali | ok |
| 19:22.33 | Pali | I will look at log later |
| 19:22.45 | Pali | now going afk |
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| 19:24.24 | kolp | cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/capacity says: cat: read error: No data available |
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| 19:25.49 | Pali | so you do not have calibrated your bq chip |
| 19:26.15 | kolp | I had a new PolarCell in there that I measured using bq27200.sh in that device. |
| 19:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you could bash down "Last Measured Discharge" to 0 by abusing N900 as a battery charger for quite a long time aka high number of charge processes. Insert empty battery while making sure bq27200 won't reset during battery removed, then charge battery to full, insert next completely empty battery... |
| 19:26.30 | Pali | but there is: udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_rx51_battery' battery.reporting.design = 1292 (0x50c) (int) |
| 19:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not completely sure it would work like that even |
| 19:27.17 | Pali | I need to find problem why new status area plugin did not read that design capacity |
| 19:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | since swapping battery should invalidate learning cycle I'd guess |
| 19:29.10 | kolp | I'll try with a different battery |
| 19:30.49 | ShadowJK | (also, each successful learning cycle can change capacity only by 1/6th of previous LMD) |
| 19:31.41 | Pali | kolp, try this: sudo rmmod rx51_battery && sudo modprobe rx51_battery |
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| 19:34.21 | kolp | Doesn't help |
| 19:34.31 | kolp | Also, changing the batter ydoesn't, either |
| 19:35.13 | Pali | kolp, downgrade back to nokia status menu plugin |
| 19:35.20 | kerio | kolp: modprobe -r bq27x00-battery and then bq27200.sh |
| 19:35.23 | Pali | maybe there is some bug in my version |
| 19:35.42 | kerio | Pali: worksforme |
| 19:36.10 | Pali | kolp: sudo apt-get install status-area-applet-battery=0.1.24+0m5 |
| 19:36.13 | Pali | and then reboot |
| 19:36.29 | kolp | Ok, hang on |
| 19:36.59 | Pali | 2c205408bb55cb3e59af05abdb9baeeb status-area-applet-battery_1.0-1_armel.deb |
| 19:37.16 | Pali | 789d67ee6e3ebcfd141e8e126d570123 status-area-applet-battery_0.1.24+0m5_armel.deb |
| 19:37.22 | Pali | md5sum |
| 19:37.42 | Pali | version 0.1.24+0m5 is nokia version, 1.0-1 is my |
| 19:37.56 | Pali | kolp, check md5sum of my deb package |
| 19:38.07 | kolp | md5sum matches |
| 19:38.16 | kolp | Downgrading |
| 19:41.14 | kolp | Pali: Nokia's applet seems to work |
| 19:41.26 | Pali | kolp, ok |
| 19:41.29 | kolp | s/seems to work/works/ |
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| 20:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders why everybody using rmmod instead modprobe -r |
| 20:01.52 | kerio | idk, i always use modprobe -r |
| 20:02.00 | kolp_ | It's shorter to type :P |
| 20:02.12 | kolp_ | What#s the difference between the two? |
| 20:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | none, except rmmod obsolete |
| 20:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | as is insmod |
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| 20:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | both got obsoleted by modprobe, which in fact does a tad more than those can do |
| 20:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<kerio> wtf is max load?)) the maximum current the chip detected, since $dunno-when |
| 20:10.52 | kerio | hm |
| 20:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda highscore |
| 20:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could safely assume that your battery will sustain operation for at least the MLTTE |
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| 21:21.50 | kolp_ | > which piece of proprietary junk should be replaced next? |
| 21:22.02 | kolp_ | I'd vote for connui-statusbar-internet :) |
| 21:22.27 | kolp_ | With wifi link qulity indicating icon in the status bar |
| 21:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | 259 \o/ |
| 21:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | If we relieve some bans ans sell popcorn, we might reach 300 again ;-D |
| 21:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and* |
| 21:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, not even Friday and I feel the burden already, thinking twice about every post |
| 21:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: any time schedule for the Friday massacre? |
| 21:31.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 259 what? |
| 21:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | users |
| 21:32.16 | kerio | oh, in here |
| 21:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 21:33.24 | kerio | some dude is abandoning the N9 scene and selling two N9s and a N950 |
| 21:33.25 | kerio | :( |
| 21:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 21:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | should I worry? |
| 21:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I pinder selling that lumia |
| 21:34.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponder, dafaq |
| 21:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | my typing getting worse by the hour rtaher than the day |
| 21:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spell |
| 21:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT?? |
| 21:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 21:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spelling |
| 21:36.04 | infobot | it has been said that spelling is best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." as Andrew Johnson pointed out. Spelling also doesn't make any difference on IRC. |
| 21:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+spell |
| 21:54.03 | Skry | actually, both rmmod and modprobe are deprecated by kmod |
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| 21:59.23 | jon_y | Lava_Croft: team fortress classic was pretty OK |
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| 22:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:~/n900> man kmod |
| 22:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | No manual entry for kmod |
| 22:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linux halebop 3.1.10-1.16-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jun 27 05:21:40 UTC 2012 (d016078) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | googling kmod, reading about it, running into "Lennart Poettering" |
| 22:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
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| 22:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds to me like more cruft sacrificing 100s of kB to spped up boot by 1s |
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| 22:29.24 | Skry | skry@Arch ~ $ kmod -V;uname -a |
| 22:29.24 | Skry | kmod version 10 |
| 22:29.24 | Skry | Linux Arch 3.6.3-2-ck #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Oct 22 16:37:03 EDT 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:29.41 | Skry | you can't escape lennart |
| 22:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | may there are other things I can do (to him) |
| 22:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I may dream, may I? |
| 22:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe* |
| 22:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2^^ |
| 22:33.56 | Skry | yes, you are (still) allowed to do that |
| 22:34.08 | Skry | no idea though how he relates to kmod |
| 22:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | forks a kernel that does a grep for lennart and poettering in each and every file opened, and returns -EIO if grep matches |
| 22:34.35 | Skry | :D |
| 22:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kmod devels apporached him to implement kmod into systemd |
| 22:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll approach him to implement dbus, CORBA, and IP stack into systemd |
| 22:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and wayland, for showing the help pages on systemd --help |
| 22:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and, hell, maybe this now is THE opportunity to get rid of PA: integrate it into systemd |
| 22:37.15 | merlin1991 | it's bad enough udev is there |
| 22:37.22 | Skry | mm, well, you don't have to have systemd to use kmod, and, well, kmod is on kernel.org so we use it :) |
| 22:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels that council headache again |
| 22:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I hope you can figure all my rant I don't dare to post anymore |
| 22:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 22:39.16 | Skry | yeah, I know how you feel about this, don't take too seriously ;) |
| 22:39.36 | merlin1991 | checks tmo for the latest fallout |
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| 22:40.01 | Skry | mm, something happening? |
| 22:40.28 | Skry | checks |
| 22:40.44 | merlin1991 | that's what I'm about to find out :D |
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| 22:41.35 | merlin1991 | hm there's http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1292072#post1292072 though no idea if it's bad yet |
| 22:43.03 | Skry | ahh, docs headache was council related, so maybe he can still learn to embrace and love lennart and his creations ;> |
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| 22:55.30 | Sysaxed | volume keys are so weird... their meaning depends on the phone position... |
| 22:55.36 | Sysaxed | even if the screen is locked |
| 22:55.44 | Sysaxed | so it's more like random to me |
| 22:56.01 | Sysaxed | how can I remember which orientation I had when I locked the screen?... |
| 22:58.54 | Sysaxed | damn Nokia, how come they thought it's a good idea to switch keys depending on orientation? |
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| 23:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, isn't that switching done inside the volume-adjuster apps? |
| 23:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't left button always Ft and right button F8 or sth? |
| 23:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/Ft/F7/ |
| 23:45.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, you rproblem probably is on DBus where those events show up as vol+ and vol- |
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| 23:47.41 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, yes, the only problem is the volume switcher |
| 23:47.45 | Sysaxed | that's what bothers me |
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