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| 04:50.19 | zimba12_ | has this ever been fixed: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39432 ? |
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| 06:06.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: maemo isn't very portable, but hildon-desktop should be |
| 06:08.09 | ShadowJK | zimba12_; dunno about gmail, but I have gigantic email account and it works fast enough, but only shows like 500 emails at a time or something like that |
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| 09:19.22 | freemangordon | once USB port has fallen, what is the chance to repair it? |
| 09:19.50 | freemangordon | i.e. is there any, given I have access to soldering stations and such |
| 09:20.30 | jacekowski | slim |
| 09:20.44 | jacekowski | but possible |
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| 09:21.59 | freemangordon | jacekowski: would you elaborate |
| 09:22.52 | jacekowski | you can get correct signals from places on the pcb |
| 09:23.15 | jacekowski | but mechanically it will still be an issue |
| 09:25.15 | freemangordon | well, there are strong enough glues, I was thinking mostly about electrical part |
| 09:25.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~usbfix |
| 09:25.32 | infobot | it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 09:25.53 | freemangordon | 10x |
| 09:26.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | glue NOT recommended |
| 09:26.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't work |
| 09:26.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | solder the shite down tough |
| 09:26.58 | Cor-Ai | ~DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:26.58 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, docscrutinizer51 is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, who, unfortunately, turned a little psycho lately, so fails to maintain chanop responsibilities @ #maemo. His main life goal sems to (now) about depreciating Current Maemo Council, and, especially, it's chair. Also, see "zealot" on wikipedia, before start of any discussion with DocScrutinizer |
| 09:27.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | WTF? |
| 09:27.35 | Cor-Ai | indeed wtf o.O |
| 09:28.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~-forget DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:28.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~forget DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:28.43 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: i forgot docscrutinizer51 |
| 09:28.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang |
| 09:28.55 | Cor-Ai | haha |
| 09:29.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:29.09 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: there's no such factoid as docscrutinizer51 |
| 09:29.14 | chem|st | uh that was estel I guess |
| 09:29.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~unforget DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:29.21 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: Successfully recovered 'docscrutinizer51'. Have fun now. |
| 09:29.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:29.25 | infobot | docscrutinizer51 -- created by Estel_ <~Estel@178.180.179.76.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl> at Sat Jun 2 16:06:45 2012 (155 days); last modified 42s ago by docscrutinizer51; it has been requested 3 times, last by Cor-Ai, 2m 27s ago. |
| 09:29.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~forget DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:29.53 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: i forgot docscrutinizer51 |
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| 09:32.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~DocScrutinizer51 is <reply>see DocScrutinizer |
| 09:32.15 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:32.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~lock DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:32.27 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: locking factoid docscrutinizer51 |
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| 09:33.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | FU estel!!! >:-( |
| 09:33.19 | Cor-Ai | well that was fun :D so your j0ERG?! :p |
| 09:33.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | a /whois might tellya |
| 09:33.46 | Cor-Ai | who ever that is.. |
| 09:35.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo joerg |
| 09:35.10 | infobot | joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1473 days); it has been requested 42 times, last by DocScrutinizer05 at Fri Aug 31 13:02:14 2012; it has been locked by jOERG. |
| 09:35.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:35.33 | infobot | docscrutinizer51 -- created by DocScrutinizer51 <~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 3m 18s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer51. |
| 09:35.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:35.53 | infobot | docscrutinizer05 -- created by vi__ <5860d978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.96.217.120> at Fri Jul 27 09:02:56 2012 (101 days); last modified at Fri Jul 27 09:03:55 2012 by DocScrutinizer05!~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 2 times, last by kerio at Fri Jul 27 03:05:23 2012; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer05. |
| 09:36.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo DocScrutinizer06 |
| 09:36.14 | infobot | docscrutinizer06 -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri Jul 27 09:04:41 2012 (101 days); it has been locked by DocScrutinizer05. |
| 09:36.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: what I see on the picture the lady sent me, it cannot be resoldered, as copper is ungued |
| 09:36.31 | freemangordon | *unglued |
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| 09:37.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | also the huuuge copper planes left and right of recptacle? |
| 09:37.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | the green areas? |
| 09:38.51 | freemangordon | I have only a picture of the port, the big square planes seem unglued, not desoldered |
| 09:40.30 | freemangordon | she told me she dropped the phone with charger connected :D |
| 09:40.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | possible, but usbfix suggests to solder USB component to fresh previously unused areas |
| 09:40.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | see ~usbfix |
| 09:40.55 | freemangordon | is there such? |
| 09:41.14 | freemangordon | hmm, it will be possible then |
| 09:41.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | there are detailed pictures |
| 09:41.23 | freemangordon | ok, hanks a lot |
| 09:41.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
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| 09:57.17 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: one thing I am unable to find the answer - is it possible to reuse the old port? |
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| 10:12.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | depends |
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| 10:13.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: if the 5 electical pins are all ok, it's possible, though deprecated - port may got dmaged mechanically |
| 10:15.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | new port is a tad hard to find, but finally there are some onfleabay for cents/unit |
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| 10:17.57 | vi__ | usb ports? |
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| 10:20.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 10:21.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka micro-USB receptacle component |
| 10:21.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | SMT |
| 10:24.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | also mouser and/or digikey may have some |
| 10:25.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry IRCing from N900, so no access to my 'database' on home PC right now |
| 10:26.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | (otherwise I had fixed that estel mess in infobot in a less public way as well) |
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| 10:27.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys docscrut |
| 10:28.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys joerg |
| 10:31.46 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: lols |
| 10:31.57 | vi__ | did he write some bad stuff about you? |
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| 12:50.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | HEEEEAALLP! |
| 12:51.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | they switched my XP (bad enough) station at work to FSCKNG VISTA :-(((( |
| 12:51.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | resign or lart the PC? |
| 12:52.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | or is there @"howtolive with fubar OS" guide I never heard about? Maybe pills could help? |
| 12:53.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | feels terrible nausea, and rage |
| 12:57.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | trying to say to myself "couldve been worse, they might have got youwin8" |
| 12:57.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't help |
| 12:59.35 | ShadowJK | wtf vista? |
| 13:00.37 | jaska | indeed. wtf |
| 13:01.01 | ShadowJK | vista is unfixable. It raped the hd all day. Leaving it running overnight is required atleast once a week. Leaving it on for a week or two after fresh install too. This will moderate the hd rape a little bit. |
| 13:01.41 | ShadowJK | why would they move to visa and not 7? |
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| 13:06.07 | ShadowJK | I dont know what's up with Vista. Some computer "professionals" say that to "fix" the memory-hogging issues with Vista, MS completely disabled disk caching to free ram. |
| 13:06.50 | ShadowJK | But this sounds too stupid to be true. |
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| 13:09.28 | fasta | Because for some reason that's not happening. |
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| 13:18.05 | vi__ | wtf. vista? |
| 13:18.13 | vi__ | truely microsofts windows ME. |
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| 14:58.34 | vi__ | is this the n800 bastard cousin 3 times removed? |
| 14:58.37 | vi__ | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Zhongyi-S101-MID-Cell-Phones-Linux-SmartPhone-with-Firefox-MSN-Wifi/342963035.html |
| 15:10.03 | vi__ | interesting. |
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| 15:10.43 | vi__ | cpu freqs 500-805 uses avaerage 10mA more than 250-600 |
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| 15:16.59 | akls | is there any way to change behavior of the powerbutton, camera button, volume keys and nokia lock thing? |
| 15:18.32 | vi_ | on what device? |
| 15:18.49 | akls | n900 of course |
| 15:19.31 | vi_ | camera button is easy, you can install shortcutd |
| 15:19.59 | vi_ | it will let you assign custom functions to the camera key that work as long as the camera slide is closed. |
| 15:20.01 | Sysaxed | vi_, btw, yesterday you've asked about keyboard improvements. Change blue+backspace to Delete key. It's not going to work in xterm but anywhere else it works |
| 15:20.45 | Sysaxed | vi_, nice one! what about others? |
| 15:20.47 | vi_ | Sysaxed: true, however I want the ability to backspace when I have blue locked (when entering ip addresses for example) |
| 15:21.22 | Sysaxed | vi_, maybe it's just you |
| 15:21.36 | Sysaxed | but I guess that people use delete key more often than backspacing ip address |
| 15:21.49 | vi_ | Sysaxed: The most common assignment to camera key is task manager on camera focus, |
| 15:22.00 | vi_ | Once you get used to that, there is NO going back. |
| 15:22.05 | StyXman | heeh |
| 15:22.23 | vi_ | trying to use n900 without it is like having a lobotomy. |
| 15:23.16 | vi_ | personally I have skip music track assigned to camera key full press. |
| 15:23.48 | vi_ | shortcutd also lets you define your own actions for the proximity sensor. |
| 15:23.58 | vi_ | skip track, run command etc. |
| 15:24.05 | vi_ | anything really. |
| 15:24.32 | vi_ | I seem to recall there was a dbus-scripts thing for swapping the power key and the lock slider. |
| 15:25.18 | vi_ | Actually the more I think about it, a power button/lock slider swap would be sweet. |
| 15:25.49 | vi_ | However I would far rather is was acheived without the need for dbus-dcripts. |
| 15:26.31 | vi_ | There is also a thing called long-press that allows you to assign a custom action to a long hold of the lock slider. |
| 15:27.01 | vi_ | The function of the power key is defined in /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 15:27.15 | vi_ | long press/short press/double press etc. |
| 15:31.04 | Sysaxed | vi_, damn :D |
| 15:31.06 | Sysaxed | sounds nice |
| 15:31.25 | Sysaxed | well, I'm trying to find a better way to lock screen |
| 15:31.43 | Sysaxed | power button double press opens up a menu for a second |
| 15:31.48 | Sysaxed | which makes music in cmus stop |
| 15:31.53 | Sysaxed | same for making it go back |
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| 15:32.25 | Sysaxed | I thought maybe I could make it so power button single press simply locks the screen and same one press unlocks it too |
| 15:32.32 | Sysaxed | can't use the switch - it's gone |
| 15:32.46 | Sysaxed | I mean... the thing on top of it is worn out |
| 15:32.55 | Sysaxed | so I can only use it with a nail |
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| 15:38.07 | Sysaxed | <vi_> The function of the power key is defined in /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 15:38.22 | Sysaxed | but it's not possible to set your own action |
| 15:38.32 | Sysaxed | there are only 4 available |
| 15:40.54 | StyXman | 4 is better than 1 |
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| 15:50.20 | vi_ | yes, meego mce is superior in that respect, however no one has felt the need to backport it. |
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| 15:54.26 | Sysaxed | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/powerlaunch |
| 15:54.30 | Sysaxed | does it work with n900? |
| 15:58.22 | vi_ | That looks like an n8x0 program. |
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| 16:04.28 | Sysaxed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.29 | Sysaxed | HAHA |
| 16:04.31 | Sysaxed | tricky :D |
| 16:05.50 | vi_ | wut? |
| 16:07.54 | Sysaxed | vi_, try it :D |
| 16:17.07 | vi_ | where did you read this? |
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| 16:20.27 | vi_ | whoa |
| 16:20.54 | vi_ | you can kind of scroll down in microb if you put your thumb on the top left corner and tap the bottom right. |
| 16:22.33 | Sysaxed | vi_, http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-64241.html |
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| 16:23.09 | Sysaxed | is there any way to disable this swipe to unlock thing? |
| 16:23.15 | Sysaxed | so I can unlock with a single press |
| 16:23.20 | Sysaxed | without swiping |
| 16:23.38 | Sysaxed | my pockets are not fucking aliens that like to use my phone from time to time |
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| 16:31.06 | vi_ | Sysaxed: I wish, however the lockscreen thing is closed source. |
| 16:31.16 | vi_ | swipe to unlock is stupid ass shit. |
| 16:31.36 | Sysaxed | but I don't want to modify it's code |
| 16:31.40 | vi_ | Like some retard said in a board meeting 'hey guys we NEED swipe to unlock'. |
| 16:31.40 | Sysaxed | I want to remove it fully |
| 16:32.01 | vi_ | well there is an alternative called qtlockscreen. |
| 16:32.05 | vi_ | or something. |
| 16:34.33 | Sysaxed | vi_, but really, where is the file located? |
| 16:34.35 | Sysaxed | or smth |
| 16:34.43 | Sysaxed | what's going to happen if I totally remove it? |
| 16:40.29 | vi_ | remove the tklockscreen plugin? |
| 16:40.36 | vi_ | I have literally no idea. |
| 16:40.46 | vi_ | Be a hero and find out...for science. |
| 16:40.57 | vi_ | (make a backup first). |
| 16:41.35 | Sysaxed | no, the default one |
| 16:41.50 | Sysaxed | or how does tklockscreen gets rid of the default one? |
| 16:43.44 | Sysaxed | gtg :_: |
| 16:46.34 | vi_ | bb |
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| 17:11.32 | Sysaxed | where's vi :D |
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| 17:19.10 | Sysaxed | wtf, there are custom lock screens, but no app to remove it? |
| 17:19.42 | Sysaxed | if it's closed source, then how come people were able to replace it? |
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| 17:21.56 | Pali | somebody here who know how is custom lock screen implemented? |
| 17:25.32 | Sysaxed | vi has mentioned that it's possible to assign camera key and other things using shortcutd. Does it work when the screen is locked? |
| 17:30.41 | Pali | I do not know how locksreen in maemo working... |
| 17:31.02 | Pali | but I think it can be connected to mce |
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| 17:40.02 | entitled | I've set the camera key to control media player with shortcutd |
| 17:40.19 | entitled | doesen't seem to work while locked |
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| 18:15.52 | merlin1991 | Pali: custom lock screen by mag is a dirty hack |
| 18:16.02 | merlin1991 | it renders another window ontop of the nokia lock screen |
| 18:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 18:22.08 | Pali | :-( |
| 18:22.09 | Pali | ok |
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| 18:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey Woody14619b, how's life? :-) |
| 18:33.00 | Woody14619b | hey :) Sorry, was chatting w/ the manager about something. |
| 18:33.46 | Woody14619b | Going well, over all. Still a little tired/beat-up & recovering from the flu, but with a weekend of rest behind me, much better. |
| 18:34.27 | Woody14619b | How you been? All reved up for Council life. ;) |
| 18:35.45 | Woody14619b | .oO(And why is this on my b alias? Damn net splits... |
| 18:35.58 | Woody14619b | brb |
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| 18:37.14 | Woody14619 | k. That's better. :) |
| 18:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<vi_> yes, meego mce is superior in that respect, however no one has felt the need to backport it.)) incorrect, alas much of fremantle mce is done in plugins (libs) that are closed and _not_ available from meego |
| 18:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so nobody finished task when starting to RE or backport mce |
| 18:41.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: I'm basically not yet in touch with any council stuff |
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| 18:42.40 | Woody14619 | Well, that's going to update/change soon. :) |
| 18:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | been tortured by 3 day flu and dentist sessions all around that |
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| 18:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | a really lovely combo |
| 18:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and today they switched my workstation at job from winXP to winVista :-o |
| 18:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still shivering from the strike |
| 18:44.27 | ajalkane | A win win day. No wonder you seem so happy! |
| 18:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the relief to not have to worry about admin of my own PC... really a great thing |
| 18:46.22 | kerio | >win win |
| 18:46.25 | kerio | i see what you did there |
| 18:46.48 | ajalkane | :P |
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| 19:00.33 | chem|st | Woody14619: just read your PM... |
| 19:01.27 | Woody14619 | docscrutinizer05: Vista? Why. Jump to Win7. Vista is a mess. :P |
| 19:01.32 | chem|st | you should find a PM stating that you got points, if not so you did not get any |
| 19:01.57 | Woody14619 | chem|st: I kinda thought as much, but.. at the same time figured I may have deserved a few. ;) |
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| 19:02.25 | chem|st | Woody14619: not if someone else started, my opinion |
| 19:03.11 | chem|st | didn't check for further replies from mods yet |
| 19:03.13 | Woody14619 | :) Well, not a huge issue to me either way. Nothing bad enough to get a boot, I figued. ;) |
| 19:03.58 | chem|st | Woody14619: usually I have a look who I strike and how hard it has to be |
| 19:04.40 | chem|st | in some few cases people start an argument with the mod giving infraction points |
| 19:05.34 | chem|st | most of the time people calm down when it comes to moderation and getting infrractions, just a few do not learn from mistakes |
| 19:06.24 | chem|st | if I'd be hard someone would be gone for a month by my hand, but I requested to have someone else click the button if need be |
| 19:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | trolls on tmo? |
| 19:11.02 | ajalkane | Only Lumiaman is keeping that place sane |
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| 19:12.02 | chem|st | ajalkane: you have no idea |
| 19:12.11 | chem|st | good morning crashanddie |
| 19:13.40 | ajalkane | chem|st: hehe yeah, I can actually imagine. Such a relatively large discussion site as that will get fair amount of spam and trolling |
| 19:14.19 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: same people as always |
| 19:14.34 | chem|st | there was no big change in members... |
| 19:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I feel like suffering, toss me a link please |
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| 19:19.58 | chem|st | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87466 |
| 19:20.59 | vi__ | trolls?? |
| 19:21.02 | vi__ | tmo?? |
| 19:21.12 | vi__ | what has become of this plae??? |
| 19:21.21 | vi__ | ~tm0 |
| 19:21.21 | infobot | it has been said that tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 19:29.50 | Sysaxed_ | what the fuck |
| 19:30.30 | ajalkane | heh... that thread is pretty good example of "Sup dawg, I heard you like trolling, so I posted on your forum so you can look at trolling while I'm trolling your forum" |
| 19:30.30 | kerio | oh estel, you so silly |
| 19:30.44 | Sysaxed_ | how come shortcutd developers have only made 1 possible custom shell command?? |
| 19:31.33 | Sysaxed_ | 4 triggers, one command |
| 19:31.39 | Sysaxed_ | awesome. |
| 19:31.52 | rZr | : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=41828#post41828 # Have you noticed http://wiki.meego.com offline ? Can it be rescued ? #MeeGo #TiZen |
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| 19:54.49 | kerio | yo deepy\SIGSEGV, how's it going |
| 19:54.58 | kerio | with your life and/your n900 |
| 19:55.04 | kerio | s/your/or/ |
| 19:55.14 | kerio | ah fuck |
| 19:58.02 | MrPingu | fail! |
| 19:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 20:00.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: I'm absolutely puzzled by what's going to happen with council voting now, and seems I'm not the only one. Are we voting for a 3-heads council now, or are we not voting at all, or maybe something still different which I couldn't even think of? |
| 20:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | are there 5 candidates or not? |
| 20:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | will we vote 3 out of 5 like I once thought would happen? |
| 20:02.18 | Woody14619 | There are 5 candidates. And by the election rules for Council, that means no election. All 5 will be appointed. |
| 20:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I thought last as as well |
| 20:03.07 | Woody14619 | The Board followed the bylaws, which were correctly updated to say "less than 6" would trigger an election of 3. |
| 20:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then...: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1287476#post1287476 |
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| 20:04.32 | Woody14619 | That was true for 4 candidates running. |
| 20:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I did get that wrong, but how's that going to work when no election at all? |
| 20:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | at 30.10. there were already 5 |
| 20:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 20:05.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | since nomination closed 28. |
| 20:06.07 | Woody14619 | Ivan/Qwazix may not have fully realized the situation. Indeed, even Rob thought there was an "option" of an eleciton. But this is not the first time this has happened. |
| 20:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 20:06.37 | Woody14619 | There was another election, in the past, with exactly 5 candidates. All 5 were appointed. |
| 20:06.52 | Woody14619 | Jaffa and Rob both validated this when it was mentioned. |
| 20:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe you're the right person to straighten the confusion with a clear post |
| 20:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: was that on extended nomination (the past 5 vote) or initial? |
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| 20:08.22 | Woody14619 | I will... But frankly it was taking a little time to get replies from people for it. My reading of the rules makes it clear to me what must happen for 5 candidates. But then I'd been accused of not seeking input before, so... I took the time to do so. |
| 20:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (just out of interest) |
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| 20:09.03 | Woody14619 | I honestly do not know. I could ask that, though I'm not sure it makes much of a difference? |
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| 20:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, doesn't make any difference |
| 20:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | what would make a funny difference was ivgalvez stepping down now, after first claiming I'm not allowed to |
| 20:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless I wish he did |
| 20:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's what he prefers to do |
| 20:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we could get a real vote and I could get a chance to get away without that 6 months sentence |
| 20:11.10 | Woody14619 | I think he's taken to the idea of acting as a conduit between the two bodies, which I think is a good idea honestly. |
| 20:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's been my original plan as well, and the reason I self-nominated for board. SD69 wasn't amused, and then I wasn't either by that |
| 20:12.29 | Woody14619 | The rule in question is rule 10 at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process |
| 20:12.44 | Woody14619 | > 10. If fewer than 5 candidates stand for election, the 3 with the most votes are elected to the council. |
| 20:13.14 | Woody14619 | There are not fewer than 5... There are exactly 5. Which means rule 5 is in effect. |
| 20:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, those rules are quite ambiguous |
| 20:13.24 | Woody14619 | > 5. The 5 nominees voted for most, as counted by a single transferrable vote system are elected. |
| 20:13.32 | Woody14619 | I don't see how... |
| 20:13.57 | Woody14619 | They're broken... I'll grant you that. But ambiguous? Not really. |
| 20:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, illogical for the niche cases |
| 20:14.34 | Woody14619 | Agreed. But they also don't give leway for me, as Chair, to randomly override them. |
| 20:14.59 | Woody14619 | They have an ammendment process (rule 12), which should be used to repair them. |
| 20:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the one who phrased rule10 never thought about applying it after nomination extension. It sounds like it's not thoroughly thought over at all |
| 20:15.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, overirde rules isn't exactly easy |
| 20:15.57 | Woody14619 | But then, in 3 months, Maemo Council (rep to Nokia) is pretty much moot. Foundation Council (in bylaws) is then relevant, and they rules there are already "fixed" to be more sane. |
| 20:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 20:16.30 | Woody14619 | Agreed... Which is why I wanted the bylaws to be reviewed and ironed well. To avoid just this situation later. |
| 20:16.41 | Woody14619 | Which I personally feel, we did a reasonable job at. |
| 20:17.26 | Woody14619 | But as for annoucements, yes. That's happening. So... Be prepared to show up at 18:00 UTC for your first Council meeting / hand-off. ;) |
| 20:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I peronally would've tailored rules/bylaws sth like "for each seat of council (up to the max of 5) there have to be 2 candidates running. So for less than 10 candidates the council will be 4..." |
| 20:18.35 | Woody14619 | If you're sly about it, you could even pre-mail and pre-meet with the others and fanagle your way into getting a pre-agreement that you'll take on Chair, just like the start of last cycle... ;) |
| 20:18.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the we'd have pair council counts, which also was a point we didn't want |
| 20:19.04 | Woody14619 | Now see... where were you the past 3 months with that suggestion? ;) |
| 20:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | involved in fighting the flames |
| 20:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and job eating me |
| 20:20.08 | Woody14619 | The other issue with that is you have to set bounds on upper/lower limits. Nobody wants a council of 1 or 2... |
| 20:20.37 | Woody14619 | Nor do they want a coucil of 9. Nor any even number. Nor, nor, nor... |
| 20:20.46 | Woody14619 | Better just to codify it as we did in the bylaws. |
| 20:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 20:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | was just a momentary thought |
| 20:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | circling around the insanity of 4 or 3 or 5 candidates |
| 20:21.37 | Woody14619 | Under 4 candidates, extend nominations. Under 6, elect 3. Under 8, elect 5. Else elect 7. |
| 20:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or that |
| 20:22.01 | Sysaxed_ | what is a softpoweroff feature? |
| 20:22.06 | Woody14619 | That's how bylaws are for Board. |
| 20:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed_: a good question |
| 20:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed_: probably an extended more radical screenlock |
| 20:22.46 | Woody14619 | Foundation Council is similar, but "Under 8, elect 5. Elec elect 7" just reads "Else elect 5." :) |
| 20:22.48 | Sysaxed_ | wtf... |
| 20:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | that also shuts down lots of the processes |
| 20:23.12 | Sysaxed_ | DocScrutinizer05, so I can recieve calls in this mode? |
| 20:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, maybe |
| 20:23.42 | Sysaxed_ | I'll try it |
| 20:23.43 | Woody14619 | What device is this? N9? |
| 20:23.48 | Sysaxed_ | n900 |
| 20:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall mce.ini has a config to keep wlan up during soft-powerdown |
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| 20:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I anyway guess it's very similar to ACT_DEAD, the state you get when plugging a powered down phone to charger |
| 20:24.54 | Woody14619 | Sysaxed_: Maybe for alarm state a well? If a scheduled alarm is due? |
| 20:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: it will wake up from true powerdown on RTC alarm |
| 20:25.30 | Sysaxed_ | okay, I'll try both and then come back |
| 20:25.44 | Sysaxed_ | DocScrutinizer05, OH, really???? |
| 20:25.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:25.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tested that some 3 years ago ;-) |
| 20:26.15 | Sysaxed_ | so I can turn my phone off before going to bed? |
| 20:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you can, yes |
| 20:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | just try it :-D |
| 20:26.43 | Sysaxed_ | ok |
| 20:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | *before* going to sleep |
| 20:27.02 | Sysaxed_ | see ya in 20 mins |
| 20:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 20:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | much appreciated |
| 20:27.23 | Sicelo | iirc all phones do that, at least all Nokia ones |
| 20:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:27.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I tested it on - like - day 20 of my N900 period |
| 20:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I recall me thinking "so good so far" |
| 20:29.07 | Woody14619 | :) |
| 20:29.17 | Woody14619 | Also, FWIW: http://maemo.org/community/council/meet_the_new-q1_2011-maemo_community_council/ |
| 20:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw this feature, plus the 911 call, are what makes lockscreen and stuff so annoyingly complex |
| 20:30.14 | Woody14619 | Last time there were 5 nominees, and no election. |
| 20:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | c'mon, gimme the one detail already :-) |
| 20:30.49 | Woody14619 | .oO(I may, in fact, just steal this page and change the date/names for the blog post... ;) |
| 20:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | with or without nomination extension? |
| 20:32.42 | Woody14619 | Looks like without. As the initial time table would have put nomination closing at the 14th, and this is dated the 19th. |
| 20:32.56 | Woody14619 | Election announcement: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q1_2011#Election_timetable |
| 20:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 20:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't remember any election similar to the current one ;-) |
| 20:33.56 | Woody14619 | In fact, it looks like the new Council took effect as voting would have been stating. |
| 20:34.21 | Woody14619 | Instead of waiting until after vote would have been done... which is what I was told happeened. :P |
| 20:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense and in line with what I recently posted |
| 20:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | voting being virtual and of 0.0s duration |
| 20:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | which again gave me flames of fools bitching about fake votes and other bullshit |
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| 20:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably been e*_ again |
| 20:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already forgot |
| 20:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I kinda feel silly to stick to the rules so much, but then it's those who like to read the rules in whatever bent way they like who accuse me of doing what in fact they do |
| 20:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah eeew |
| 20:41.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks at a DVD+RW, remembers dentist session due tomorrow, and that there's need to bring an empty DVD for the x-ray |
| 20:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | figure, they charge me €€€ but don't have a DVD to hand me the x-ray .bmp |
| 20:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | "if you want those files, bring an empty DVD please" |
| 20:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd think that pricetag would include media |
| 20:44.34 | Woody14619 | Should be glad you can get them at all... I requested them and was told they can't give them out. :P |
| 20:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! |
| 20:44.56 | Woody14619 | Not even to the patient they're of. Something about copyright laws here. :P |
| 20:45.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's plain mad |
| 20:45.31 | Woody14619 | Same thing that allows wedding photographers to deny couples to make copies of their own purchased pictures... |
| 20:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | what about *your* copyright of own pictures? |
| 20:45.46 | Woody14619 | US laws are not the most consumer friendly.... |
| 20:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | US is the land of fools |
| 20:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | really |
| 20:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | in that regard for sure |
| 20:47.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | no other country would allow a grany to sue toshiba for not writing in the manual of they wave that it's not suited for drying alive cats |
| 20:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/they wave/their microwave/ |
| 20:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | Woody14619, why wouldn't they own copyright? |
| 20:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | Wedding photographers make their money off of copyright |
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| 20:48.01 | GeneralAntilles | If you're having trouble getting copies of your stuff from your dentist, change your dentist. |
| 20:48.34 | Woody14619 | Agreed... I'm saying that x-ray groups in the US are using the same regulation to deny giving out of x-ray materials. |
| 20:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, either they own the (c) then they simply said "FU we don't wanna give you those" basically, or they don't own then who else does? |
| 20:49.23 | Woody14619 | And no, photographers don't need copyright of everyone wedding photos... |
| 20:49.32 | GeneralAntilles | But they get it |
| 20:49.39 | GeneralAntilles | If you don't like the agreement, don't sign the contract. :P |
| 20:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | Vote with your wallet |
| 20:49.46 | Woody14619 | They could, in fact, chage for their time, like most people. |
| 20:50.10 | Woody14619 | Agreed.. Which is why when I go to deal with that, I'll be dealing with one that doesn't have that in the contract. |
| 20:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, they could say "costs you $$$ to make us give you those x-rays" |
| 20:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but to say they mustn't give you is a lie |
| 20:50.45 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, many places do, many other places will happily give you a copy in nearly whatever format you like. |
| 20:50.50 | Woody14619 | But reality is, if all groups that provide x-rays in a 100-mile radius of you do the same thing, your options are limited. |
| 20:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | Well, health care is a special messed up case |
| 20:51.28 | Woody14619 | Agreed. |
| 20:51.32 | GeneralAntilles | since it's not even vaguely a free market. |
| 20:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | my first concern would be my doctor lying at me |
| 20:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, the doctor wont be the one telling you that. |
| 20:51.59 | Woody14619 | has actually gotten his x-rays to show to a 3rd party doctor "on loan" and scanned them in many cases. :) |
| 20:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be the idiot clerk who makes $10/hour. |
| 20:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, his desk chick will |
| 20:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: ^^^ |
| 20:53.15 | Woody14619 | I at one point debated setting up a "medical service" that did nothing but allow you to tranfer your records to them so you could get access to everything in your file. |
| 20:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 10$/h you can't get better lies |
| 20:53.50 | Woody14619 | You see, one other law on the books here, is that you have the right to demand all records from a medical provider be transfered to another provider/service. |
| 20:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahahaha |
| 20:54.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty reasonable that you yourself aren't any such 3rd party |
| 20:54.33 | Woody14619 | One could probably setup a business (given the right level of demand) to offer just that. :) |
| 20:54.58 | Sysaxed | SO! I've tested out softpoweroff... and... can't tell anything about it... NOTHING HAPPENED. It went into offline mode and locked the screen, but when I unlocked it - everything was still on... all apps and stuff |
| 20:55.09 | Sysaxed | LED glitched to a constant WHITE color |
| 20:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, indeed here in Germany we're about to implement that on a centralized basis |
| 20:55.20 | Sysaxed | and when I've tried to get it back... well, it was strange |
| 20:55.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | with smartcard, encryption and all |
| 20:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | epic failso far |
| 20:55.35 | Sysaxed | so I really don't know what happens after that softpoweroff feature |
| 20:55.43 | Sysaxed | seems like fucking nothing useful |
| 20:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hihi |
| 20:56.14 | Sysaxed | about alarm clock - YES, it works. turn it off and you may be sure that it'll wake up to wake you up :) |
| 20:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be the reason why it's never been used |
| 20:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | great my memory didn't fail on that |
| 20:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (wakeup) |
| 20:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (softoff) smells like rotten legacy from a former concept to do suspend-to-ram or sth |
| 20:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe some 770 owners know more about it |
| 21:00.41 | Sysaxed | OH... suspend to RAM... |
| 21:01.07 | Sysaxed | but it looked like SHIT, not like suspend-to-ram |
| 21:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 21:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I said 'rotten' |
| 21:01.40 | Sysaxed | what's the point of suspending to ram, if display is off, all light are off, and even cpu is off cuz everything is sleeping? |
| 21:01.46 | Sysaxed | lights* |
| 21:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspend-to-ram is worthless anyway on N900 |
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| 21:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse, Sysaxed: device will wake up from susp2ram after a few seconds, awakened by modem |
| 21:02.41 | Sysaxed | ... |
| 21:03.13 | Sysaxed | well, if it was hibernation, then I could find some use for that |
| 21:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | since modem keeps reporting status (like signal level etc) |
| 21:03.29 | Sysaxed | that's why it went to offline mode? |
| 21:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be |
| 21:03.58 | Sysaxed | allright.. anyway - forget about it :D |
| 21:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno how obsolete and rotten it is, even if it's actually susp2ram |
| 21:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is mere handwaving on my side |
| 21:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 21:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: syslog would leave you wiser |
| 21:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | about what softoff actually does |
| 21:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's actually entering 'another runlevel' (we got upstart, so no real runlevels anyway), it might still be useful when tweaked to meet your needs |
| 21:07.22 | Sysaxed | it doesn't work anyway... so |
| 21:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's for sure no turnkey ready solution for anything |
| 21:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might open some options |
| 21:08.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | opportunieties |
| 21:09.28 | Sysaxed | yeah, maybe |
| 21:09.43 | Sysaxed | but I'm still looking for any way to control music when n900 is locked |
| 21:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the method to trigger a state change seems well established and working, what you need is a meaningful state to change to |
| 21:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's too heavy for music control, definitely |
| 21:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess what it does is sth like "sysctrl start softoff" |
| 21:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | via dbus though |
| 21:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so basically if you neuter the sysctrl softoff state, the signal could trigger some dbus-scripting |
| 21:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | again just handwaving |
| 21:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, dinner time folks, cya |
| 21:13.34 | Sysaxed | no, i'm talking about ANY way to make it work |
| 21:13.41 | Sysaxed | not about softoff thing |
| 21:13.55 | Sysaxed | cuz I can't map any key to change music |
| 21:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU has Pali's patches to alsaped policies that should put wired headset button music-control back to feasible |
| 21:16.41 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I patched prolog code which enabling wired headset button |
| 21:17.28 | Pali | Sysaxed, you can always read input from /dev/input* to match which key was pressed and then do what you want |
| 21:17.52 | Pali | reading from /dev/input* working always (if screen is locked too) |
| 21:18.20 | Pali | fix, it is /dev/input/* |
| 21:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 |
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| 21:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | this thread anyway |
| 21:19.28 | Sysaxed | OH |
| 21:19.30 | Sysaxed | nice one! |
| 21:19.41 | Sysaxed | Pali, : 3 |
| 21:19.50 | Sysaxed | I don't have any headset |
| 21:20.00 | Sysaxed | but I hope that I can use volume keys and camera key? |
| 21:20.12 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, so what is state of multiboot eci headsets? |
| 21:20.37 | Pali | Sysaxed, every input event is in /dev/input/* |
| 21:20.44 | Pali | you need only parse that files |
| 21:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | multibutton? |
| 21:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a onewire serial communication |
| 21:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | in theory it *might* be feasible with N900 hw |
| 21:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | with the proper realtime kernel drivers to read/write the right GPIO and convert serial to/from bytes |
| 21:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall I even found some basic info about the data protocol used |
| 21:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody welknown here in this channel did some 'scope propes and snapshots and published them |
| 21:25.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I forgot who, and I'm too hungry and in a hurry to find out who's been the hero or where have been those pictures |
| 21:26.41 | Sysaxed | Pali, any clue on how to use these files? I've tried using cat and it worked, but it gave me some garbage. |
| 21:27.16 | Pali | Sysaxed, you need to write some daemon in C |
| 21:27.37 | Pali | there is structure for data in that file |
| 21:27.47 | Sysaxed | damn |
| 21:27.58 | Sysaxed | any pythong bindings for that? |
| 21:28.01 | Sysaxed | python* |
| 21:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | reading dev/input7* isn't trivial, at least from shell |
| 21:28.24 | Pali | find C structure of data |
| 21:28.35 | Pali | and that you can write code in any language |
| 21:28.52 | Pali | (you need to know type of data, size, ...) |
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| 21:29.44 | Pali | Sysaxed, use program evkey from bootmenu |
| 21:29.56 | Pali | it print keycode to stdout of each pressed key |
| 21:30.41 | Sysaxed | !!!! |
| 21:30.44 | Pali | see https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/bootmenu/src/evkey.c?root=bootmenu&view=markup |
| 21:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you're awesome |
| 21:30.47 | Sysaxed | for powerbutton too?? |
| 21:30.50 | Pali | yes |
| 21:30.56 | Sysaxed | FUCK YEAH. |
| 21:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: but wouldn't it eat away data from any other process listening concurrently? |
| 21:31.34 | Pali | do not know |
| 21:31.44 | Pali | it is used in bootmenu |
| 21:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid it would |
| 21:32.25 | Pali | then you can use Xevent |
| 21:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | even if you could open /dev/input/* several times concurrently, I guess only one of the reading processes will "catch the byte" |
| 21:32.47 | Pali | you can also get keys from X (not directly /dev/input/) |
| 21:33.05 | Pali | I will try to find if I have some example program |
| 21:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably better |
| 21:33.29 | nox- | xev? |
| 21:33.40 | Pali | xev is ok |
| 21:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 21:33.51 | Pali | but you need to find needed section :-) |
| 21:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 21:34.01 | nox- | bye doc |
| 21:35.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, no I can ctrl+c process "cat /dev/input/<keyborad_id>" |
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| 21:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | every time? |
| 21:35.45 | Sysaxed | yes |
| 21:35.51 | Sysaxed | sometimes it fucks up xterm |
| 21:36.12 | Sysaxed | so what is the best way? Should I try xev? |
| 21:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then it's working in a different way than other /dev/* devices |
| 21:36.16 | Pali | and I'm using (on desktop) program evrouter |
| 21:36.37 | Pali | evrouter reading from all files /dev/input/* and doing some operations |
| 21:36.40 | Pali | always |
| 21:37.01 | Pali | and you can see that I'm still able to write to IRC :-) |
| 21:37.48 | Sysaxed | xev opens up a window |
| 21:37.52 | Sysaxed | which is not something I need |
| 21:38.05 | Pali | xev not working on maemo due some window manager bug |
| 21:38.11 | Sysaxed | it works |
| 21:38.18 | Pali | there is fix somewhere on bugzilla |
| 21:38.24 | Pali | so it is fixed :-) |
| 21:38.38 | Pali | Sysaxed, try to compile evrouter on maemo and configure it for your actions |
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| 21:47.26 | Sysaxed | Pali, isn't it possible to use xbindkeys for that? :O |
| 21:47.44 | Pali | try |
| 21:47.55 | Pali | I do not know all existing programs... |
| 21:48.11 | Pali | but each X program should work on Maemo |
| 21:48.23 | Pali | because we have true linux with Xserver :-) |
| 21:48.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why maemo is linux, and android isn't |
| 21:49.01 | Sysaxed | yeah, I know |
| 21:49.24 | Sysaxed | I'm just worried about nokia programmers eating key events like power key and others.. |
| 21:49.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah |
| 21:49.49 | Pali | power key is different input file |
| 21:50.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 21:50.08 | Pali | keyboard is different |
| 21:50.14 | Sysaxed | volume keys? |
| 21:50.16 | Sysaxed | lock switch? |
| 21:50.20 | Pali | volume are on keyborad |
| 21:50.32 | Pali | lock swihch is GPIO key |
| 21:50.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | F7 F8 iirc |
| 21:51.05 | Pali | and in maemo kernel is missing gpio input key driver |
| 21:51.06 | Sysaxed | GPIO? |
| 21:51.14 | Sysaxed | okay.. camera key? |
| 21:51.16 | Pali | so gpio does not generate any standard input event |
| 21:51.28 | Pali | camera? good question, I do not know |
| 21:51.35 | Pali | but it is not part of keyborad |
| 21:51.48 | Sysaxed | dang it |
| 21:51.50 | Pali | I was not able to add camera button support to uboot... |
| 21:52.02 | Sysaxed | but there are some apps |
| 21:52.13 | Sysaxed | like shortcutd |
| 21:52.18 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, how is camera keypress generated? |
| 21:52.45 | SpeedEvil | it's just on a gpio |
| 21:52.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry dunno |
| 21:52.47 | Pali | gpio? or some device on i2c? |
| 21:52.47 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 21:53.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | gpio |
| 21:53.08 | Pali | ok |
| 21:53.43 | Sysaxed | gpio? so how the fuck does shortcutd work? |
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| 21:54.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | dbus? |
| 21:54.13 | Sysaxed | oh |
| 21:54.15 | Sysaxed | probably |
| 21:59.52 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, but these dbus messages are not generated when device is locked, right? |
| 22:00.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno |
| 22:00.34 | SpeedEvil | gpio works fine with device locked |
| 22:01.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | gpio notavailable, says pali |
| 22:02.06 | Pali | you can cat gpio from /sys/sometinh |
| 22:02.09 | Pali | *something |
| 22:02.17 | Pali | but I do not know full path |
| 22:02.42 | Pali | HAL sending all gpio state too |
| 22:03.14 | Pali | (in maemo is Nokia patched HAL with special gpio addon which reading Nokia specified /sys/ gpio interface) |
| 22:03.25 | Sysaxed | damn, all I want to do is make volume up key to trigger song change |
| 22:03.56 | Pali | volume key is grabbed by hildon-something |
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| 22:04.08 | Pali | so reading Xevent will not work |
| 22:04.44 | Pali | but there is some Xatom for getting that volume key in some application |
| 22:04.54 | Pali | openmediaplayer has that implemented |
| 22:05.20 | Sysaxed | as far as I remember there was API for that |
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| 22:05.50 | Pali | with that X atom property you will tell hildon-something or window manager? to tell application volume key event |
| 22:07.52 | Sysaxed | :\ |
| 22:09.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | xchat does it |
| 22:09.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | xterm does it |
| 22:09.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | microb too |
| 22:10.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | xchat actually best testbed |
| 22:10.21 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, when they're focused |
| 22:11.08 | Pali | try here: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt-maemo/index.html |
| 22:12.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sysaxed: good point |
| 22:13.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sysaxed: but actually you don't want your media player to catch volume keys unconditionally |
| 22:13.41 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, well, first of all I want to catch these events anyway |
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| 22:13.51 | Sysaxed | even if it's not focused, even if device is locked |
| 22:14.07 | Sysaxed | and then I'll find a way to get rid of unwanted cases |
| 22:14.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | device locked doesn't mean last upfront app losing focus |
| 22:15.10 | Sysaxed | what if "swipe to unlock" shit comes up? |
| 22:15.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sysaxed: you'll run a deadend street with that approach |
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| 22:16.27 | Sysaxed | why? |
| 22:16.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | your method you picked to catch vol unconditionally might not offer any method to 'get rid of unwted cases' |
| 22:17.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | unwanted* |
| 22:17.14 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, for example "if device is not locked - change song. otherwise do nothing" |
| 22:17.25 | Sysaxed | oops |
| 22:17.29 | Sysaxed | if device is locked - change song |
| 22:17.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | do nothing doesn't mean any other app receives the event |
| 22:17.57 | Sysaxed | good point |
| 22:18.32 | Sysaxed | so, still I don't understand what is the best way to do that |
| 22:19.02 | Pali | Sysaxed, here is qt example for volume keys: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt-maemo/maemo5-zoom.html |
| 22:19.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd check dbus first |
| 22:19.26 | Pali | _HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM |
| 22:19.43 | Pali | and then mapped to Key_F7 and Key_F8 |
| 22:20.25 | Sysaxed | The zoom keys are mapped to F7 and F8 by default. |
| 22:20.29 | Sysaxed | wtf, lol |
| 22:20.48 | Sysaxed | thank you guys, you are awesome |
| 22:20.49 | MrPingu | hmm, is the google search in MicroB-hardcoded? |
| 22:20.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | toldya |
| 22:21.17 | Sysaxed | so, gonna go get some food now |
| 22:21.33 | Sysaxed | and then maybe I'll go to bed... |
| 22:21.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | just finished eating |
| 22:21.43 | Sysaxed | but if I'll come with a solution I'll let ya know |
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| 22:23.08 | Pali | unsigned long val = 1; Atom atom = XInternAtom(display, "_HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM", False); XChangeProperty (display, winid, atom, XA_INTEGER, 32, PropModeReplace, &val, 1); |
| 22:23.50 | Pali | ^^^ this C code enable zoom/volume keys for window winid on X display |
| 22:24.16 | Pali | Sysaxed, see ^ |
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| 22:30.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wrap my head around linux input stuf from /dev/input and modmap_etc til X everyother year, and when I reach the end of that chain I already forgot about how start works :-/ |
| 22:31.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | the whole input is incredible layer hell |
| 22:31.59 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 22:33.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | X didn't exactly help |
| 22:34.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | next time I should draw a nice diagram with layered blocks to visualize who's talking what to whom |
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| 23:04.32 | merlin1991 | setting up windows server 2008 in kvm with ide drivers is a pain |
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| 23:17.56 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, Pali it's not going to work |
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| 23:18.21 | Sysaxed | sudo cat /dev/input/keypad |
| 23:18.28 | Sysaxed | now press volume keys - you'll see some garbage |
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| 23:18.43 | Sysaxed | if you lock the screen - nothing is going to be displayed |
| 23:19.16 | Pali | so then mce eating keys? |
| 23:19.24 | Sysaxed | looks like |
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| 23:19.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey, my volume keys work (for volume) when device locked, afaik |
| 23:20.30 | Sysaxed | it works if you get to the "swipe to unlock" screen |
| 23:20.38 | Sysaxed | but if the display is off - it's not working |
| 23:20.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 23:21.31 | Sysaxed | /dev/input/pwrbutton works |
| 23:21.43 | Sysaxed | dunno if it's because it opens up a "swipe to unlock" screen or why |
| 23:21.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | playing music with stock mediaplayer, device in holser, locked. I get volume control working |
| 23:22.29 | Sysaxed | how... |
| 23:22.40 | Sysaxed | media player is closed source, right? |
| 23:22.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think it's an mce.ini setting |
| 23:23.17 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, there's nothing in mce.ini about it |
| 23:25.03 | Sysaxed | what is a "home key" ? |
| 23:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | a N8x0 thing |
| 23:27.41 | Sysaxed | why it's in mce of n900?? |
| 23:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | mce.ini is full of legacy |
| 23:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's same file for all devices |
| 23:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I cleaned mine up ;-D |
| 23:30.23 | Sysaxed | so, as far as I can see, the only way to map some commands to a key is to use a power button |
| 23:31.21 | Sysaxed | it's a pity that all these buttons cannot be used |
| 23:32.01 | Sysaxed | or maybe they can? with some kind of mce hack |
| 23:32.33 | Sysaxed | alright, good night everybody! |
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| 23:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | # 2 - leave keypad interrupts on even after blanking |
| 23:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | # (used to support pass-through of +/-) |
| 23:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, he's gone |
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