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| 00:28.30 | gry | Where can I download a Maemo image for VirtualBox? |
| 00:29.11 | wmarone | none exist |
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| 00:31.13 | gry | Does Maemo have images for any virtual boxes at all? (I know there is Maemo SDK, but I would rather not use that. It creates files in random places and I don't know how to uninstall/delete it easily if I start hitting out-of-disk-space problems; virtual machines are easy to delete.) |
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| 00:35.26 | Skry | gry: qemu |
| 00:39.40 | Skry | gry: some info -> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu |
| 00:41.29 | Skry | there might be other ways to do it, i used that one |
| 01:05.00 | gry | Skry: I got qemu installed. Where can I download the "Maemo SDK virtual images"? |
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| 01:10.45 | dataghost | does anyoneknow how to mount a maemo folder or partition in NITDroid to be used as an sd card for storage. |
| 01:11.24 | robbiethe1st | Well, erm, it's an EXT2/3 partition for the OptFS/home, and a FAT32 partition for MyDocs |
| 01:12.09 | dataghost | i tried downloading something off the browser and it said sd card missing. manual insgtall with uboot on emmc |
| 01:14.06 | dataghost | i have a custom emmc flashed for more storage for nitdroid in opt so gow do i let nitdroid use thatg as a mounted sd |
| 01:15.12 | dataghost | any help pls. im stumped |
| 01:15.46 | jon_y | type "mount" for starters |
| 01:15.57 | jon_y | is your stuff even mounted? |
| 01:17.54 | dataghost | in maemo? i can mount nitdroid. ik mean in nitdroid how to i mount opt in nitdroid to be used as sd storage |
| 01:18.23 | jon_y | read the output from mount |
| 01:19.15 | dataghost | i dont know what file to edit i guess is what it boils down. ok ill check. do this in nitdroid right? |
| 01:20.23 | jon_y | ye gods, what so hard about reading the mount output |
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| 04:07.27 | plourde | can anyone explain to me how to mount the /optfs folder in nitdroid automaticly so it is set up as an sdcard? |
| 04:07.36 | plourde | been trying to figure it out for a while |
| 04:09.08 | plourde | i try do download an apk file in nitdroid and it says o snd card so im trying to mount optfs as an sdcard in nitdroid |
| 04:09.11 | plourde | anyone? |
| 04:14.43 | plourde | bump |
| 04:14.46 | gry | er |
| 04:15.03 | gry | what *is* nitdroid? |
| 04:16.00 | plourde | NITDroid is android for the n900 , i have maemo 5 tripple booted with android and ubuntu 12.10 |
| 04:16.13 | plourde | nitdroid is the project |
| 04:16.35 | Cor-Ai | hmm, that must be slow! |
| 04:16.42 | plourde | not at all |
| 04:16.50 | plourde | ubuntu runs great too |
| 04:17.17 | plourde | look up in google uboot ubuntu n900 |
| 04:17.40 | plourde | android updated to 2.3.7 is as fast as maemo |
| 04:17.55 | plourde | looking for some help if anyone knows |
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| 04:18.16 | Cor-Ai | it 06 in the morning, cool down :p |
| 04:18.58 | plourde | 10 pm here lol |
| 04:19.34 | Cor-Ai | haha timezones sux! |
| 04:20.00 | plourde | here in canada, and yea i agree lol] |
| 04:22.00 | Cor-Ai | well here in the real world its 06 :p |
| 04:24.24 | Cor-Ai | well, back to work! cya and glhf on the nitroid stuff |
| 04:24.41 | plourde | haha im off to get some sleep, enjoy the work day as ill be up doing the same soon |
| 04:24.43 | plourde | take care |
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| 05:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | good ugt morning |
| 05:27.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | really sorry I couldn't help _lena |
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| 05:54.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you should feel ashamed, the first since I am here a lady asks for help on that channel and you are spepnding all night in bars :P |
| 05:54.36 | freemangordon | *first time |
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| 06:15.26 | freemangordon | ~seen zeq |
| 06:15.33 | infobot | zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 42d 16h 12m 25s ago, saying: 'hi freemangordon'. |
| 06:15.40 | freemangordon | ~seen zeq1 |
| 06:15.40 | infobot | zeq1 <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3::a71> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 20h 59m 26s ago, saying: 'plus less flash wear'. |
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| 07:42.11 | vi_ | the number of users in this channel is rapidly dropping -_- |
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| 07:47.05 | teotwaki | rapidly? |
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| 08:07.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeed, 236 |
| 08:07.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | not long ago we were almost 300 |
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| 08:08.05 | ccssnet | hmph |
| 08:08.15 | ccssnet | waves hi as the new guy |
| 08:08.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe the popcorn factor dropped since some particular user isn't frequently trolling anymore |
| 08:09.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi ccssnet :-) |
| 08:09.27 | ccssnet | i missed some epic trolling? |
| 08:10.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, actually it was not that epic but more annoyingly constant |
| 08:10.06 | ccssnet | o |
| 08:10.07 | ccssnet | :-/ |
| 08:10.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | but that's gone since several weeks now |
| 08:10.44 | ccssnet | wow i see many nicks in here i know from else where. and possibly even long ago |
| 08:10.50 | ccssnet | pokes disco_stu |
| 08:11.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ccssnet: you got a maemo device? |
| 08:11.53 | ccssnet | no, i had an n810 but sold it |
| 08:12.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | a pity |
| 08:12.21 | ccssnet | im here to learn about whatever |
| 08:12.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 08:12.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure, welcome |
| 08:12.51 | ccssnet | http://atccss.net/ |
| 08:12.55 | ccssnet | more about me ^ |
| 08:14.43 | ccssnet | would it be easy to install maemo5 on the open pandora you think? |
| 08:14.56 | ccssnet | same hardware as an n900 almost |
| 08:17.55 | ccssnet | hmm, scratchbox toolchain eh? |
| 08:17.58 | ccssnet | how is it? |
| 08:18.13 | ccssnet | ive been coding my own but its unfinished |
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| 08:49.25 | vi_ | ccssnet: almost impossible. |
| 08:49.40 | vi_ | A small chunk of maemo 5 'fremantle' is closed source. |
| 08:50.04 | vi_ | However the window manager, hildon was ported to be a general window manager. |
| 08:50.14 | vi_ | by a guy named smoku |
| 08:50.33 | vi_ | but he got crazy ideas and abandoned it. |
| 08:53.04 | ccssnet | hmm |
| 08:53.29 | ccssnet | ill check out hildon |
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| 08:56.58 | vi_ | how do I check how a binary is compiled? |
| 08:57.15 | vi_ | For example, how do I know if it is thumb2, hardfp etc? |
| 08:58.09 | ccssnet | bash-4.2# file /bin/ls |
| 08:58.11 | ccssnet | /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
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| 09:00.22 | vi_ | ccssnet: cheers bro! |
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| 09:00.49 | MrPingu | morning |
| 09:01.10 | ccssnet | :) |
| 09:04.47 | ccssnet | vi_: what did your return? |
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| 09:07.34 | freemangordon | vi_: no matter what I do, installer just freezes at some point :(. Any hints? |
| 09:08.24 | freemangordon | seems like a kernel issue, maybe i should try some older debian/ubuntu version |
| 09:09.23 | ccssnet | shamelessly browses to freemangordon's host url |
| 09:10.10 | freemangordon | hmm. don't think there is apache running here :D |
| 09:10.56 | ccssnet | there is |
| 09:11.00 | freemangordon | well, there is |
| 09:11.03 | freemangordon | but not here :P |
| 09:11.07 | ccssnet | ahh |
| 09:11.15 | freemangordon | I am behind NAT |
| 09:11.19 | ccssnet | interesting. so you work for printec? |
| 09:11.23 | freemangordon | yep |
| 09:11.30 | ccssnet | bookmarked them under job angencies |
| 09:11.33 | ccssnet | ;) |
| 09:11.39 | freemangordon | hehe |
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| 09:14.38 | vi_ | ccssnet: networking like a pro. |
| 09:15.06 | Skry | readelf -a for more |
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| 09:15.41 | ccssnet | lol |
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| 09:19.05 | StyXman | florian: installing debian/ubuntu? try the usual suspects: noapic et al |
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| 09:19.28 | vi_ | StyXman: you mean freemangordon right? |
| 09:19.46 | StyXman | vi_: sir, yessir! |
| 09:21.21 | ccssnet | speaking of florian, hello |
| 09:21.29 | ccssnet | ive seen you somewhere... forget where |
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| 09:23.59 | florian | StyXman: wrong florian :-) |
| 09:24.05 | florian | hi ccssnet |
| 09:24.55 | ccssnet | ahh ok i guess ive talked to you in oe |
| 09:25.13 | ccssnet | i dont really talk in yocto so cant be that one |
| 09:26.31 | florian | ccssnet: on #oe might be possible yes... |
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| 09:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: I think there's no reliable easy indicator neither for thumb2 nor hardfp |
| 09:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | for thumb2 I'm actually rather sure since we dealt with that issue quite a bit lately oevr at cssu |
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| 09:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: to find out if a binary is thumbified, you could disassemble and check if you find any thumb instructions or function calls to impair addr |
| 09:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc stskeeps had similar problems with hardfp not really indicated in binary header |
| 09:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...on mer |
| 09:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or meego |
| 09:34.48 | ccssnet | yay. learned something this morning ^ |
| 09:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so hardfp probably is even harder to check for than thumb |
| 09:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | mind that hardfp is just an API convention about how to pass call parameters |
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| 09:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't take my words for verified, it's all disclaimer 'afaik' |
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| 09:44.03 | vi_ | cheers |
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| 09:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: recall the erratically thumbified modest, which segfaulted like mad? We pondered quite a bit over at #maemo-ssu how to check all cssu binaries for possible (unintended) thombification, and iirc we finally came up with a shellscript oneliner that did a readelf disassembly and then checked for impair addr |
| 09:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might try to search chanlog of #maemo-ssu for searchstring "[13579bdf]" |
| 09:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | (the last valid digits of a jump addr for BX (switch to thumb) |
| 09:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
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| 09:53.50 | ccssnet | hmph |
| 09:54.00 | ccssnet | whats channel maemo-ssu about? |
| 09:54.04 | Skry | quick check and thumb tag does change with and without -mthumb |
| 09:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: ~cssu |
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| 09:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | #maeo-ssu is about cssu |
| 09:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 09:55.08 | infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 09:55.20 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: good thinking |
| 09:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | #maemo-ssu even |
| 09:55.46 | ccssnet | hmmph |
| 10:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm? |
| 10:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: what's wrong? |
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| 10:07.00 | ccssnet | nothing |
| 10:08.06 | ccssnet | although i havent slept yet |
| 10:08.15 | ccssnet | i could go for some of that right now |
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| 11:38.56 | vi_ | chem|st: ping |
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| 11:54.06 | chem|st | vi_: pong |
| 11:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: hi! |
| 11:55.41 | chem|st | o/ |
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| 12:00.58 | MrPingu | wth is wrong with the bluemaemo package? |
| 12:02.36 | MrPingu | seems like a dependency hell |
| 12:04.47 | chem|st | vi_: just write... don't wait for my pong... |
| 12:05.16 | MrPingu | can somebody help me out with this? http://pastebin.com/cwYNWXGx |
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| 12:32.22 | vi_ | chem|st: I was going to ask you to help me buy a thing from german ebay. |
| 12:32.32 | vi_ | a pannier rack for my bike to be specific. |
| 12:32.50 | vi_ | But the more I think about it, the more I come to realise I should just make one myself. |
| 12:33.10 | MrPingu | NVM, I fixed it |
| 12:33.40 | MrPingu | bluemaemo wanted an older version of libeet1 than the latest in the repos... |
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| 12:56.58 | FIQ | hm |
| 12:58.20 | FIQ | is there a known issue in which the speaker randomly stops working? |
| 12:59.18 | vi_ | nope |
| 12:59.22 | vi_ | well yes. |
| 12:59.38 | vi_ | You need to be more specific when asking a question. |
| 13:00.09 | vi_ | What would a doctors diagnosis be if you went to him and said, 'I am sick, give me medicine.'? |
| 13:00.22 | vi_ | Has it stopped working permanently? |
| 13:00.24 | FIQ | fair enough |
| 13:00.34 | vi_ | is the problem intermittent? |
| 13:00.50 | vi_ | Does it work for some things but not others? |
| 13:01.02 | vi_ | What where you doing at the time? |
| 13:01.14 | vi_ | What are you wearing right now? |
| 13:01.24 | vi_ | Actually, scratch that question. |
| 13:03.23 | FIQ | yesterday, my speaker worked fine, completly fine, playing stuff, calling and so on. Today, it just don't work at all. I didn't update or install any applications between "it works" and "it stopped working", so it shouldn't be related to that. The only thing I did between "it worked" and "it stopped working" was playing around with gpSP, alter volumes (which was my first thought -- but alter it didn't help at all, and speaker doesn't work *at all*, not even in |
| 13:03.23 | FIQ | calls). I've never had the problem before |
| 13:03.47 | vi_ | what is gpSP? |
| 13:03.50 | FIQ | In case it's really a firmware problem, I was thinking of making a backupmenu backup and then revert to when I reflashed the device |
| 13:03.56 | FIQ | an emulator, so it should not be related |
| 13:04.19 | vi_ | actually it could be... |
| 13:04.26 | vi_ | If gpSP uses alsa. |
| 13:04.38 | FIQ | i said it shouldn't, i didn't say it wasn't :P |
| 13:04.47 | FIQ | I tried to use my headset -- that still works |
| 13:04.50 | vi_ | all audio is supposed to be routed through pulse audio. |
| 13:04.52 | FIQ | Speaker on the other hand, does not |
| 13:05.07 | vi_ | Nokia put certain limitations of the volume levels of the speakers. |
| 13:05.19 | FIQ | Also if gpSP did something scary, it should have been fixed by reboot, no? |
| 13:05.23 | FIQ | Because that didn't solve it |
| 13:05.27 | vi_ | Pulse audio works 'above' alsa. |
| 13:05.49 | vi_ | Thus, you are able to increase the volume around nokias limitations by adjusting the alsa volume. |
| 13:06.17 | FIQ | When I googled around on gpSP and speaker before I came here, i found nothing also |
| 13:06.21 | vi_ | It has been known in a few examples for mplayer, through alsa with the volume cranked to the max to pop the speakers. |
| 13:06.41 | FIQ | The problem here is -- I didn't *use* the speaker when I used gpSP |
| 13:06.48 | FIQ | I just used my headset |
| 13:06.59 | vi_ | FIQ: The bad news is, there is a chance you have destroyed your n900 speakers. |
| 13:07.29 | vi_ | FIQ: The good news is, maybe you have not and it is something else. Also the N900 speakers are REAL EASY to replace. |
| 13:08.04 | vi_ | FIQ: You have mplayer installed? |
| 13:08.13 | FIQ | I'll try to do a backupmenu rollback to see if it solves the problem |
| 13:08.23 | FIQ | vi_: Yes, though I haven't used it lately |
| 13:08.32 | vi_ | try: mplayer -ao alsa <SOME RANDOM MP3 FILE) |
| 13:08.36 | vi_ | try: mplayer -ao alsa <SOME RANDOM MP3 FILE> |
| 13:08.45 | vi_ | see if it makes any sound. |
| 13:08.52 | vi_ | Maybe pulse audio is fecked. |
| 13:09.11 | vi_ | backup menu roll back would also be an easy option! |
| 13:10.46 | FIQ | vi_: Aside from the fact that I used a midi file instead, I did as you said, nothing sounded |
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| 13:17.18 | vi_ | try mplayer -ao pulse |
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| 13:25.16 | FIQ | gtar refuses to restore a backup from the future..? |
| 13:25.37 | FIQ | my date reset due to battery exchange and I didn't care to fix that problem |
| 13:29.18 | vi_ | get a shell and change the date]# |
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| 13:36.27 | FIQ | hmm |
| 13:36.40 | FIQ | something went wrong during restore, even though backupmenu told it went smooth... |
| 13:36.50 | vi_ | FIQ: oh fuk. |
| 13:36.57 | FIQ | and now things (including bootmenu, backupmenu and maemo) is broken |
| 13:36.57 | vi_ | time for rescue os. |
| 13:37.20 | vi_ | I guess you SHOULD have cared to change the date? |
| 13:37.28 | FIQ | I suppose |
| 13:37.37 | FIQ | But I wasn't aware that it made restore fail |
| 13:37.45 | vi_ | Time waits for no man, GTG. |
| 13:37.48 | vi_ | bb |
| 13:37.51 | vi_ | :q |
| 13:38.19 | FIQ | backupmenu crashes when loading watchdog, bootmenu crashes when open for ~5s, maemo also crashes after ~10s load |
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| 14:42.28 | FIQ | now that doesn't make sense... |
| 14:44.09 | FIQ | the problem might be a failed backup, but things seem to *work* |
| 14:44.15 | FIQ | everything works fine except for watchdog |
| 14:47.22 | FIQ | ok, let me rephrase that -- backup menu works, but watchdog kills it unless I presses random keys all the time, and restoring a backup deosn't work because a broken partition (how did that happen?) |
| 14:47.36 | FIQ | *press |
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| 15:14.20 | Cor-Ai | jigrap: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65654 google is your friend |
| 15:15.18 | jigrap | cool thanks |
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| 17:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: you made sure you're not using ancient obsolete deprecated backupmenu-V1 as of ~2 years ago? |
| 17:39.58 | FIQ | I believe not, unless it's still in the repositories by the name "backupmenu" |
| 17:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt that |
| 17:40.13 | FIQ | as I installed it ~1month ago |
| 17:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be recent then |
| 17:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | simple check: are backup files .tar? |
| 17:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or .tgz? |
| 17:41.12 | FIQ | I believe .tar, but i'm not sure as backupmenu doesn't work anymore |
| 17:41.40 | FIQ | (or rather, works very badly) |
| 17:42.08 | FIQ | It gave me two alternatives during backing up, making a copy and making a compressed copy "(VERY SLOW)" |
| 17:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: nevermind my worries, was just an idea out of thin air |
| 17:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, this should be new BM |
| 17:42.54 | FIQ | but why did it fail just because a bad timestamp? |
| 17:43.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it would |
| 17:43.34 | FIQ | sure, I learned a new thing (make sure to have it right), but breaking a restore because it had a future timestamp seems bad |
| 17:43.55 | FIQ | It gave me several errors during restore stating "(file) is XXXXXXXs in the future" |
| 17:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't figure how that might cause any harm |
| 17:44.06 | FIQ | And then backupmenu claimed it was done and successful and I assumed it was just a warning |
| 17:44.09 | FIQ | so I rebooted |
| 17:44.09 | merlin1991 | rofl installing qt creator maemo toolchain says: installing qt madde 4.7.0 but the folder it works inside is called qt 4.6.2 :D |
| 17:44.12 | FIQ | Baaaad idea |
| 17:44.47 | FIQ | I don't even know why backupmenu still boots, but it does |
| 17:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 17:45.18 | FIQ | but somehow it doesn't relax the watchdog anymore, so occasionally it just dies |
| 17:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | IF untar refuses to install "files in the future" by default, I'd call that a MAJOR bug of BM |
| 17:45.33 | FIQ | and I cannot restore the backup I created before restoring because it isn't found |
| 17:45.50 | FIQ | brb boot phone to state more accurate errror |
| 17:45.52 | FIQ | *error |
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| 17:47.30 | FIQ | the following problems are showing up at the moment: |
| 17:47.53 | FIQ | bootmenu crashes if having the menu open in more than 5s, leaving watchdog to killing it after ~20s |
| 17:48.01 | FIQ | Maemo doesn't boot at all, resulting in reboot loop |
| 17:48.30 | FIQ | Backupmenu crashes unless I press keys during startup (in which it complains "watchdog: not found" (random characters in the string making it hard to read) |
| 17:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're in for a proper reflash, then resore backup again |
| 17:48.57 | FIQ | Trying to restore from eMMC gives "Error: Cannot mount the eMMC. Please try fsck", and fscking gives "fsck.ext2: No such file or directory" |
| 17:49.10 | FIQ | oooh brilliant, I love reflashing with a barely working microUSB |
| 17:49.16 | FIQ | ..or not |
| 17:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
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| 17:50.02 | FIQ | it's not your fault at all |
| 17:50.12 | FIQ | i just don't like a broken microUSB, that's all :p |
| 17:50.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | is it unfixable? |
| 17:50.50 | FIQ | It *works*, barely |
| 17:50.53 | FIQ | "unfixable"? |
| 17:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | then damn let it fix!! |
| 17:51.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i almost got that bug too :D |
| 17:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | find some repair shop to fix it as long as it's still easy! |
| 17:51.41 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: hmm |
| 17:51.48 | FIQ | I'm just afraid of losing my device |
| 17:52.15 | FIQ | A friend of me gave his N900 to a repair shop due to similar issue, and they just ate the phone (aka threw it) |
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| 17:52.28 | kerio | FIQ: backupmenu has a shell, right? |
| 17:52.31 | kerio | can you use it? |
| 17:52.35 | kerio | use it to set the date |
| 17:52.36 | FIQ | kerio: i'll see |
| 17:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds meore like genuine Nokia Care |
| 17:52.41 | FIQ | kerio: it's too late |
| 17:52.44 | kerio | :c |
| 17:52.57 | FIQ | I can't mount the partition with the backup anymore |
| 17:53.05 | FIQ | also |
| 17:53.08 | kerio | srsly though, you shouldn't've rebooted |
| 17:53.11 | FIQ | the backupmenu root shell never worked for me |
| 17:53.18 | FIQ | it just showed a black screen |
| 17:53.30 | kerio | FIQ: that's why you install uboot and keep rescueos handy :) |
| 17:53.34 | FIQ | so I downloaded "recovery console" instead, which worked |
| 17:54.16 | FIQ | but it disappeared from bootupmenu post-restore (which doesn't make sense at all, IMO) |
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| 17:54.48 | kerio | brb |
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| 17:54.57 | kerio | but we will fix this! |
| 17:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi kerio btw :-) |
| 17:55.31 | FIQ | argh, watchdog is annoying |
| 17:55.39 | FIQ | if I don't keep pressing button, device just die |
| 17:55.42 | FIQ | *buttons |
| 17:55.48 | FIQ | *dies |
| 17:57.33 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: so, should I go to the average repair shop? or should I attempt reflash first? |
| 17:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | first get it repaired I'd say |
| 17:58.00 | FIQ | there's another possible issue in my phone, which led to me restoring at first place, so they can fix that too (which should be easy) in case it's hardware issue |
| 17:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt your audio is any hw issue |
| 17:58.34 | FIQ | they could check at least :p |
| 17:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind audio |
| 17:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | find a repair shop where guys can solder |
| 18:00.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they offer LED color change for arbitrary phones, that would be a good indicator already |
| 18:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixing USB is not significantly harder than swapping LEDs of arbitrary devices |
| 18:00.53 | FIQ | hmm ok |
| 18:01.05 | FIQ | then I would also be able to charge properly again :D |
| 18:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | provide proper instructions with photos for them, from |
| 18:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfidx |
| 18:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 18:01.21 | infobot | well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 18:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell them your USB got loose solder joints and all they need to do is resolder it (and maybe do the reinforcement soldering on both sides as well) |
| 18:03.46 | jon_y | I don't know, the shops tend to promise more than they can deliver :) |
| 18:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they are really competent, they will already know and maybe even check in detail what's state of the USB receptacle and if it maybe should get swapped for a new one |
| 18:05.17 | ccssnet | wow. a nokia broke? |
| 18:05.24 | ccssnet | pics or didnt happen |
| 18:05.26 | ccssnet | ;) |
| 18:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: well, finding a "official" shop that can do repair on behalf of Nokia / Samsung / whomever would be a good start as well |
| 18:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: USB breakdown is a known pest on N900 |
| 18:06.13 | jon_y | what about official nokia dealers? |
| 18:06.17 | ccssnet | damn that sucks |
| 18:06.24 | ccssnet | btw. i can solder. |
| 18:06.44 | jon_y | ccssnet: opening the N900 and not breaking it is the hard part |
| 18:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you definitely want... err scratch that you got no N900 |
| 18:07.00 | ccssnet | jon_y: ahh |
| 18:07.07 | kerio | hi DocScrutinizer! |
| 18:07.13 | ccssnet | so nokia is the hp of phones now?? |
| 18:07.25 | ccssnet | lol. hp makes laptops designed to break on opening |
| 18:07.35 | kerio | ccssnet: buy a n900! |
| 18:07.37 | kerio | it's good! |
| 18:07.57 | ccssnet | kerio: buy my unwanted stuff first. i might buy an n900! |
| 18:08.11 | ccssnet | http://atccss.net/index.php?p=4sale |
| 18:08.17 | ccssnet | no really ^ im selling stuff |
| 18:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, the USB problem is not as widespread as it sounds, and actually a well known, understood, and easily avoidable/fixable issue |
| 18:08.50 | jon_y | not listing anything |
| 18:08.58 | ccssnet | enable javascript |
| 18:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | bwahahaha |
| 18:09.11 | jon_y | no |
| 18:09.19 | jon_y | :) |
| 18:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | right! :) |
| 18:09.22 | ccssnet | o well |
| 18:09.39 | ccssnet | http://www.ebay.com/sch/theccsscontact/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 |
| 18:09.48 | ccssnet | otherwise look at this for the anti js people ... |
| 18:10.23 | jon_y | aww, mini-itx |
| 18:10.40 | jon_y | might have gotten the cool case if it was bigger |
| 18:11.00 | ccssnet | yea its tiny |
| 18:11.10 | ccssnet | only for onboard everything type of boards |
| 18:11.41 | kerio | FIQ: what can you do right now? |
| 18:11.50 | FIQ | kerio: well |
| 18:11.57 | FIQ | you mean on the device itself? |
| 18:12.05 | kerio | yes |
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| 18:12.51 | FIQ | Play around in backupmenu UI |
| 18:12.56 | FIQ | That's it, pretty much |
| 18:13.08 | kerio | FIQ: can you enable usb networking? |
| 18:13.11 | FIQ | Assuming I spamclick random keys every now and then to prevent random dying |
| 18:13.12 | kerio | and login |
| 18:13.25 | FIQ | usb networking? that sounds as it needs something like a usb connect.. |
| 18:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 18:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry |
| 18:13.42 | kerio | ...ok, i'm an idiot |
| 18:13.48 | kerio | FIQ: what about the onboard shell? |
| 18:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't work for him |
| 18:14.03 | FIQ | the backupmenu shell never worked properly for me |
| 18:14.09 | kerio | it never works properly for anyone |
| 18:14.12 | FIQ | just a black screen where the shell should be |
| 18:14.22 | ccssnet | lol |
| 18:14.37 | kerio | no, seriously |
| 18:14.42 | ccssnet | lack of /dev/pts's? |
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| 18:14.48 | FIQ | no clue |
| 18:14.53 | kerio | ccssnet: nah, it's just that it requires a fairly working rootfs |
| 18:15.05 | kerio | and a way to do fbcon |
| 18:15.08 | FIQ | kerio: it didn't work when I had working backupmenu either |
| 18:15.19 | kerio | FIQ: it probably requires KP |
| 18:15.28 | kerio | or omap1 with fbcon |
| 18:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 18:15.49 | FIQ | kerio: I installed root console in case something would go wrong |
| 18:15.53 | FIQ | That one worked fine |
| 18:16.00 | FIQ | But the option of root console disappeared on reastore |
| 18:16.08 | kerio | FIQ: it can't work "fine" because it will stop working precisely when you need it the most |
| 18:16.09 | FIQ | most likely as the restore was before the installation of it |
| 18:16.12 | MetalGearSolid | Has anyone set up telepathy-ring with Empathy ? |
| 18:16.13 | kerio | aka when you bork your rootfs |
| 18:16.17 | kerio | bork bork bork |
| 18:16.17 | FIQ | Yeah, exactly |
| 18:16.35 | FIQ | *restore |
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| 18:17.30 | FIQ | How come backupmenu still works anyway (allbeit barely) |
| 18:17.34 | FIQ | ? |
| 18:17.54 | kerio | FIQ: because it restored some parts of your rootfs |
| 18:18.06 | FIQ | hmm ok |
| 18:18.17 | kerio | namely, all the files with a modify date of 0 |
| 18:18.19 | kerio | :) |
| 18:18.27 | FIQ | fair enough |
| 18:18.46 | kerio | i'm quite sure there's a good number of those |
| 18:18.46 | kerio | i bet it's an easily fixed bug |
| 18:18.50 | kerio | just tell untar to ignore wrong dates |
| 18:18.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:18.57 | kerio | tar/untar, ofc |
| 18:19.54 | FIQ | too bad I can't re-restore the backup that I did before the restore of my first backup |
| 18:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | too bad your system is too borked to properly mount the MMC now |
| 18:20.37 | FIQ | yeah |
| 18:20.49 | kerio | FIQ: u dun goofd |
| 18:21.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you easily could fix the tarbal to have only filedates of epoch |
| 18:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | then re-restore |
| 18:21.40 | kerio | ponders about a mechanical typer that types the uuencoded tarball on the n900's keyboard |
| 18:21.44 | FIQ | how would that work exactly? |
| 18:21.51 | FIQ | @ DocScrutinizer05 |
| 18:22.11 | FIQ | as it's on device, and don't even mention mass storage :p |
| 18:22.37 | ccssnet | so say for example someone borks their onboard os. does the n900 auto boot an inserted micro sd card first? |
| 18:22.48 | kerio | FIQ: uuencode, cat, high-fps camera, ocr, uudecode |
| 18:22.52 | FIQ | the default bootloader doesn't |
| 18:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you unpack your backup.tar on PC, run sth like touch -r --date 1978.1.1 *, and re-tar the whole stuff. Then insert that uSD to N900 |
| 18:23.07 | ccssnet | well thats conforting |
| 18:23.18 | ccssnet | cough. con. cough |
| 18:23.28 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: makes sense if I would have the backup on SD card |
| 18:23.31 | kerio | ccssnet: nope, but you can reflash as long as you have a computer handy and a working usb |
| 18:23.40 | ccssnet | ya |
| 18:23.41 | kerio | ccssnet: uboot can also boot from the uSD |
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| 18:24.10 | ccssnet | ok so first step for someone like me would be to replace bootloader and hope i dont brick it.. |
| 18:24.12 | ccssnet | great |
| 18:24.27 | FIQ | well flashing is kinda easy |
| 18:24.47 | FIQ | and rootfs memory usually isn't critical (except for installed stuff), settings, etc persist |
| 18:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: do I detect sarcasm paired with ignorance? |
| 18:24.59 | FIQ | unless you happen to have a broken microUSB, it's fine |
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| 18:25.26 | ccssnet | ah. well i ask because the open pandora i have auto boots an inserted SD card if a file called autoboot.txt is present :) |
| 18:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 18:25.41 | ccssnet | and certainly not ignorance. just poking sarcasm |
| 18:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't even need that |
| 18:25.50 | FIQ | booting SD card would really help |
| 18:26.09 | FIQ | as it would (with right software obviously) enable me to reflash on-device |
| 18:26.17 | FIQ | but, as I can't do that.. yeah |
| 18:26.24 | kerio | FIQ: that's why i installed uboot :) |
| 18:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: then you ought have setup uBoot accordingly |
| 18:26.31 | kerio | and i even have a bootable onboard rescueOS |
| 18:26.58 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: currently I don't have uboot, but i'll make sure to get that |
| 18:27.06 | FIQ | ...this feels a bit like the last time I got into trouble |
| 18:27.11 | kerio | ccssnet: how's the openpandora, btw? |
| 18:27.16 | FIQ | "you don't have backupmenu? omg" |
| 18:27.31 | ccssnet | kerio: a little thicker then i expected |
| 18:27.33 | ccssnet | but nice |
| 18:27.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: indeed I didn't know BM has such a nasty bug |
| 18:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: and I'm still not entirely believing it |
| 18:28.25 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: well it was the only sight of error that I saw |
| 18:28.37 | ccssnet | if you plan to buy one with intentions on booting SD cards on the open pandora. only buy high end SD cards. just a tip. |
| 18:28.44 | FIQ | Errors: XX | Last error: /random/file is 4802985s into the future |
| 18:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and it's a strong indicator of sth fishy in that restore |
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| 18:29.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i had that too |
| 18:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes mental note to a) look into bootmenu, b) pester robbiethe1st to FIX DAT SHITE |
| 18:29.49 | kerio | :) |
| 18:30.01 | FIQ | the annoying part was that I *knew* that the wrong date was set, I just was unaware that it would cause this |
| 18:30.01 | kerio | luckily bootmenu has a way to give you a shell via usb networking |
| 18:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: I would have fallen into that pitfall as well |
| 18:30.28 | FIQ | *booted up Maemo by mistake after battery swap* "hey, time was reset... oh well, let's reboot, it's not like anything would go wrong anyway" |
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| 18:31.20 | FIQ | and usually battery swap doesn't reset clock, i was just too slow this time (which is unusual for me on its' own) |
| 18:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: the worst pity in all this: probably your audio wpuld've been fixable without a restore |
| 18:33.14 | FIQ | D: |
| 18:33.39 | ccssnet | DocScrutinizer05: btw, the implimentation the open pandora uses with boot.txt and autoboot.txt versus the n900 requirement to flash the boot loader is obviosly leaning towards the pandora for the win. since their implimentation doesnt involve possible bricked devices... |
| 18:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 18:34.10 | FIQ | ccssnet: pandora is a nice device |
| 18:34.22 | FIQ | I would buy it today if it wasn't for the price being a bit on the high side |
| 18:34.34 | ccssnet | selling mine now :) |
| 18:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: please stop ranting based on ignorance, there's no such thing as a bricked N900, unless you got hw defects like FIQ |
| 18:35.13 | FIQ | yeah |
| 18:35.17 | ccssnet | DocScrutinizer05: please stop being the hostile channel aggressor |
| 18:35.23 | kerio | grabs the popcorn |
| 18:35.39 | FIQ | unless microUSB is broken, all I would do is just plugging in n900 and enter a command on bash |
| 18:35.43 | FIQ | ~1min max |
| 18:35.50 | FIQ | and then I could restore backup properly |
| 18:35.53 | FIQ | easy |
| 18:35.59 | kerio | FIQ: hell, robbiethe1st has a fiasco image with backupmenu preinstalled |
| 18:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | breaks ccssnet's pandora MMC card holder, then asks "what's with not brickable now? eh?" |
| 18:36.25 | ccssnet | ^ a g r e s s o r |
| 18:36.29 | kerio | *g g |
| 18:37.32 | FIQ | oh well, i'll have to google for a repair thing nearly |
| 18:37.47 | kerio | ccssnet: btw, which bootloader does the OP use? |
| 18:38.00 | ccssnet | anyway the way that was worded he expected a reply. DocScrutinizer05 it can boot either of the sd slots. as well as the internal nand. |
| 18:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot, what else |
| 18:38.06 | ccssnet | kerio: a modified uboot |
| 18:38.15 | kerio | ccssnet: ok, what if both SD slots break? |
| 18:38.31 | ccssnet | then you should still boot internal nand? |
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| 18:38.45 | FIQ | and if it happens to be broken? |
| 18:38.47 | kerio | ccssnet: we're going with "you borked your rootfs" |
| 18:38.51 | FIQ | firmware this time |
| 18:38.53 | kerio | that's the hypothetical scenario |
| 18:38.54 | FIQ | yeah |
| 18:39.19 | FIQ | the funny part is, my n900 isn't even bricked, theoretically |
| 18:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: I'm not interested in eductating you on a premise of your assumption to know better |
| 18:39.36 | ccssnet | well its a very unlikely scenario to have a band nand internal, and both sd card slots bad... |
| 18:39.36 | kerio | FIQ: well, it can't boot |
| 18:39.46 | merlin1991 | If anyone in here is using TweeGo and wants it working again, I hacked together a fix http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1285988#post1285988 |
| 18:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: anyway your comments are not contributing anything helpful |
| 18:39.50 | FIQ | Probably, with some luck, I would probably be able to restore it here and now after some tries and a little of me being frustrated |
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| 18:40.04 | ccssnet | DocScrutinizer05: you cant teach me anything anyway. stop trying to turn me into an unwelcome channel member |
| 18:40.08 | FIQ | But due to the risk of breaking microUSB completly, i'll look for a repair shop first |
| 18:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: this channel is not for debating OpenPandora |
| 18:40.54 | FIQ | there's probably #openpandora |
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| 18:41.13 | ccssnet | TROLL GO AWAY. k thx. |
| 18:41.36 | ccssnet | FIQ: ebay has some repair services available if you want to trust some random ebayers |
| 18:42.24 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: I hope the audio really is fw though, going through the trouble of finding a good repair shop, then getting back the n900 after a month and realizing audio was hw after all would be a little demotivating |
| 18:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ccssnet: it's well known that NOLO (N900 bootloader) is not the optimal approach |
| 18:43.14 | ccssnet | 4 messages later he finally states a relivant, not hostile opinion ^ |
| 18:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we already dealt with that, by introducing uBoot for N900, which can do everything you were concerned about |
| 18:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and thus all your rant is not giving us any new idea about the issue |
| 18:44.37 | ccssnet | thank you for catching up. would you like me to retype my original message that spawned your passive aggressive responses? |
| 18:45.05 | ccssnet | anyway im out for now |
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| 18:45.14 | kerio | aww, he left :( |
| 18:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure if that's a huge loss |
| 18:45.38 | kerio | we didn't have a troll since E*_ was banned |
| 18:46.00 | FIQ | E*_? |
| 18:46.03 | kerio | you can't be a good irc channel without at least a couple of resident trolls! |
| 18:46.10 | FIQ | the first the come to mind is estel |
| 18:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: we got you for that ;-P |
| 18:46.34 | kerio | that's why i said "a couple of" c: |
| 18:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: close |
| 18:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: twitter? :-o |
| 18:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw N900 actually can boot from uSD just as pandora does |
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| 18:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | since ROMBL is checking on first MMC for xloader |
| 18:53.50 | FIQ | wait |
| 18:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might actually work to move NOLO to uSD, name it accordingly, and N900 would boot it from there |
| 18:53.58 | FIQ | so I can boot on SD? |
| 18:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can load xloader from there, yes |
| 18:54.25 | FIQ | hm |
| 18:54.26 | kerio | but xloader is fairly "static" in what it does |
| 18:54.29 | FIQ | that doesn't tell me too much |
| 18:54.58 | kerio | isn't it? |
| 18:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: it's like saying you can have initial bootcode not only in MBR of first HDD but also on USB stick |
| 18:55.33 | kerio | Pali: *poke*, we might need your consultancy here |
| 18:55.37 | FIQ | also I've realized that I'm bad at finding good repair shops (or any shop for that matter) nearby |
| 18:55.51 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: ah, yeah, but I thought N900 wouldn't accept that |
| 18:56.44 | FIQ | because if it would, I guess my current problem would be possible to be solved without reflash, by using a bootloader that doesn't exist yet to boot up something on the SD card |
| 18:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: the problem is we seem to be unable to avoid NOLO, and NOLO is booting kernel partition of NAND |
| 18:56.54 | Pali | kerio, sorry but now I *must* prepare for ACM ICPC (tomorrow)! |
| 18:56.58 | kerio | :( |
| 18:57.07 | kerio | but we need to help FIQ! |
| 18:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: good luck! |
| 18:57.20 | kerio | and yeah, good luck :) |
| 18:57.23 | FIQ | gl Pali |
| 18:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nothing pali could do |
| 18:57.32 | Pali | thanks :-) |
| 18:57.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: xloader+uboot to load rescueOS |
| 18:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be feasible |
| 18:58.03 | kerio | but you'd need uboot to completely replace NOLO |
| 18:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody would know how to make uBoot completely replace NOLO |
| 18:58.22 | kerio | hm, is "NOLO" pronounced like "YOLO"? |
| 18:58.36 | FIQ | if I could place bootloader in SD card to load something like uboot, that itself also load an OS from SD card, all bypassing the usual process (i.e. skipping NAND), then it would work |
| 18:59.10 | FIQ | probably not with optimal spec (it's class 2 I believe), but enough |
| 18:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: alas we need NOLO so far, since it does some unknown magic to crank up N900 hw |
| 18:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 18:59.50 | FIQ | hmm |
| 19:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall recent efforts to replace NOLO by uBoot completely, and yes that's probably actually pali to ask |
| 19:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno how far those efforts have matured |
| 19:02.11 | FIQ | wouldn't replacement of bootloader break usual flashing approach? |
| 19:02.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:02.49 | kerio | FIQ: uboot is *a lot* more flexible than NOLO |
| 19:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but lacking some magic |
| 19:03.07 | kerio | the possibilities are endless! |
| 19:03.45 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: yes twitter, and if you don't like the evil corporation you can always use ident.ca or how it's called |
| 19:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably part of that magic being a malicious spell we'd be happy to get rid of |
| 19:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: aah :-D |
| 19:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: uBoot had to learn to initialize low level stuff like RAM, framebuffer, etc |
| 19:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now the uBoot we got been shrinked to death regarding those capabilities I'd guess |
| 19:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | since there's not too much space left in kernel partition to keep 'cruft' like that |
| 19:09.13 | FIQ | found a shop that seemed promising (my dad also repaired his phone there once when he broke his display, they worked fine), but N900 isn't listed on the "phones that we support" lol |
| 19:09.38 | FIQ | is close to just taking the "just reflash" approach atm |
| 19:09.38 | FIQ | brb |
| 19:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's just a generic piiece of HW for them |
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| 19:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you supply the 'knowledge' |
| 19:10.16 | kerio | FIQ: what do you mean "just reflash"? |
| 19:10.25 | FIQ | they seem to be able to switch a broken display though, wouldn't that need a bit of soldering knowledge? |
| 19:10.33 | FIQ | kerio: my microUSB works barely |
| 19:10.55 | FIQ | it responds etc, and I successfully reflashed with it last month after a few hours of fiddling |
| 19:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: swapping display usually isn't a task where you need soldering skills |
| 19:11.16 | FIQ | but during the time, it broke from "dodgy" to "barely work" |
| 19:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: you probably still can fix (or find sb to fix) USB now. after next plug/unplug cycle that may already have changed to "now you need to follow the hard path to put a working USB receptacle on that board" |
| 19:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | which means it might be a task so challenging then that you better get a spare N900 rather than paying the same amount of money for fixing USB the hard way |
| 19:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: that's why I suggest to fix USB *now* |
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| 19:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: or let me put it this way: now the fixing will take 30 min, after next time bending or just unplugging USB this might change to 4h to fix USB |
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| 19:26.54 | FIQ | nothing is plugged atm, but I get your point |
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| 19:37.05 | FIQ | Oh, and please don't tell me that this major issue was fixed something like yesterday and I just didn't have the new version yet, because even if it's true I don't want to know it :d |
| 19:37.30 | kerio | FIQ: BM hasn't been updated recently |
| 19:37.44 | FIQ | "recently" is how long? |
| 19:38.12 | kerio | like, a fuckton ago |
| 19:39.17 | FIQ | that works |
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| 19:51.18 | FIQ | oh, by the way |
| 19:51.56 | FIQ | unrelated issue (especially as it came after the microUSB problem), but I accidently gave my n900 liquid some months ago |
| 19:52.03 | FIQ | wont repair shops deny repair of such devices? |
| 19:52.51 | FIQ | liquid did pretty much nothing except destroy my GPS chip (which I don't use), the only real issue I have with the phone is the microUSB |
| 19:53.52 | kerio | this isn't a warrantable problem anyway |
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| 20:05.18 | FIQ | another thing |
| 20:05.31 | FIQ | repair shops claim that they can, and will, erase all data on the phone |
| 20:05.48 | FIQ | I wonder how they do that if they find the problem unfixable (in their eyes) |
| 20:05.51 | FIQ | :3 |
| 20:06.36 | SpeedEvil | big hammer |
| 20:06.44 | FIQ | lol |
| 20:06.59 | FIQ | *searches for a hammer for doing a "reflash" |
| 20:07.00 | FIQ | * |
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| 20:12.04 | kerio | i wonder... is there a way to recover an erased eraseblock of the NAND? |
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| 21:06.38 | Hurrian | kerio, by "erased", do you mean zeroed, or simply marked as free? |
| 21:11.23 | kerio | Hurrian: by "erased" i mean erased |
| 21:11.35 | kerio | it has a precise meaning, when talking about MTDs |
| 21:12.23 | Hurrian | ah, right. |
| 21:13.41 | Hurrian | you may want to look up UBIFS erase behavior |
| 21:15.08 | Hurrian | iirc jffs2 erases simply mark the volume as empty to save on writes |
| 21:19.55 | kerio | Hurrian: nah, i'm talking about a raw flash_eraseall |
| 21:20.46 | ShadowJK | You can't rewrite flash, it has to be erased first. Erasing is slow, so ubi and jffs2 would do it in advance if they get the chance. |
| 21:21.05 | ShadowJK | Also, zeroed is the exact opposite of erased :) |
| 21:21.24 | ShadowJK | When erased it'd be all ones, then when writing the 1s you dont want to stick are zeroed |
| 21:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: SpeedEvil: or a good shot of X-rays |
| 21:26.43 | FIQ | ? |
| 21:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: depends - usually not |
| 21:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: ((<FIQ> I wonder how they do that if they find the problem unfixable (in their eyes))) |
| 21:27.28 | FIQ | hmm ok |
| 21:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | flash is basically glorified oldfashined EPROM |
| 21:28.43 | FIQ | eeprom*? |
| 21:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | still info bits are some 1000 electrons sitting on an isolated pad of aluminium in SiO2 |
| 21:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: I intentionally left out the E for "Electrically" |
| 21:29.44 | FIQ | oki |
| 21:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | before EEPROM there been EPROM which had a glass window to erase with UV |
| 21:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eprom.jpg |
| 21:31.17 | nox- | how is flash erased if not electrically? |
| 21:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously for erasure via xray you don't need a glass window |
| 21:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: via xray, as mentioned above |
| 21:31.48 | nox- | well i mean normally :) |
| 21:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | normally you erase it electrically |
| 21:32.10 | nox- | ok |
| 21:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | that "flash" |
| 21:32.26 | nox- | <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: I intentionally left out the E for "Electrically" |
| 21:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically a high voltage that jumps over the isolating SiO2 |
| 21:32.56 | nox- | i c |
| 21:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: read context |
| 21:33.54 | nox- | i guess im too tired... |
| 21:34.02 | nox- | but its not important :) |
| 21:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | <DocScrutinizer05> flash is basically glorified oldfashined EPROM <FIQ> eeprom*? <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: I intentionally left out the E for "Electrically" |
| 21:34.33 | nox- | ok why did you leave out the first e? |
| 21:34.36 | FIQ | seems you like to hl me :D |
| 21:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | since my suggestion been to erase it via xray |
| 21:34.52 | nox- | oh haha |
| 21:35.05 | ShadowJK | nox-, eprom had window, you shined strong Ultraviolet light at it. Then they invented way to erase it electrically, and it became known as eeprom. |
| 21:35.12 | nox- | yes i know... |
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| 21:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: btw this suggestion been not honest, since you'd for sure ruin the device with hard xray, since it erases *all* flash end other EPROM |
| 21:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are several of those in N900, and some are not recoverable |
| 21:38.02 | nox- | :) |
| 21:38.06 | FIQ | er, it's not like i'll test anything of this :p |
| 21:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's also elctret mic which also gets depolarized |
| 21:39.12 | SpeedEvil | that's in the headpiece |
| 21:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're really interested, I might look up max allowable keV and REM for the electret mic in FreeRunner ;-D |
| 21:39.34 | SpeedEvil | the one on board is a digital mems mic |
| 21:39.37 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 21:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you suggest that one has no dielectric polarized mambrane? |
| 21:40.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so... is it possible to recover an erased block in a NAND? |
| 21:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: as already mentioned, usually not |
| 21:40.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC not |
| 21:40.53 | SpeedEvil | but I haven't properly looked |
| 21:41.27 | SpeedEvil | I wish I could do failure analysis on the one on my nexus 7, but it makes more sense to return it |
| 21:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | they might use active capaqcitor, they got some osc anyway |
| 21:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no need for electret |
| 21:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's only speculation |
| 21:43.22 | SpeedEvil | (mic failed) |
| 21:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc at least SoC has mask PROM, so that one should be safe re X-ray |
| 21:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | BT, WLAN, ALS... all that are an entirely different story |
| 21:45.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably you should do a CAL-dump prior to exposing your N900 to a good x-ray shot, anyway |
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| 22:33.32 | trumee | modest seems to have a bug using nokia messaging. Reply starts with wrong date "On Thu 1 Jan 1970 .....", instead of the email date. |
| 22:34.18 | trumee | This is on thumb btw. However on an 'imap', it is reported correctly. |
| 22:35.24 | trumee | merlin1991: ^^ |
| 22:41.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: seems unrelated to thunb |
| 22:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | just notices that good docs about 3-wire coexistence of WLAN and BT is hard to find |
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| 22:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/Bluetooth-coexistence |
| 22:49.49 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: yes maybe it is a cssu bug |
| 22:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | more possible |
| 22:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a nokia messaging bug ;-P |
| 22:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought nokia messaging was discontinued ages ago? |
| 22:51.52 | trumee | nope, working fine on my N900 |
| 22:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: anyway, could you check against stock modest? |
| 22:56.32 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: nope, need somebody else to check that |
| 22:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
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| 22:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even using any mail, not to think about noka messaging, on N900 |
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| 22:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, please check complete properties and raw source text of the message you replied, often the dates are inconsistent |
| 23:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's date sender writes to mail header, then a date where mail server delivered mail also in header, and then there's the date on your local device that indicates when the mail got received |
| 23:00.55 | trumee | ah, nokia messaging doesnt display Received and Sent dates on clicking "Message details", which it does for imap client |
| 23:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter possibly found in file properties of that mail |
| 23:01.34 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: there is no way to raw header in modest |
| 23:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 23:01.43 | trumee | *way to see |
| 23:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you forward full msg to a more versatile mailer? |
| 23:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously this will discard/miss the local properties like mdate of file |
| 23:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but header info should stay intact |
| 23:03.47 | trumee | hmm, seems it can only forward as 'inline' email, meaning header will be lost |
| 23:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: I can watch raw text on sth like ~/.modest/cache/mail/pop/<$account_name>_110/cache/3d/1299184634.10 |
| 23:10.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe for nokia messaging there's something similar, though probably not under pop |
| 23:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw nfc what's 1299184634, seems like a random ID string modest is using everywhere on my N900 mail |
| 23:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually all files are named 1299184634.* |
| 23:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol @ that |
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| 23:20.57 | SpeedEvil | seconds since 1970 |
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| 23:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 23:27.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so WTF are all my mails same seconds-since then? |
| 23:27.28 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 23:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | smells like a fat bug in modest |
| 23:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | my t900 looks quite different |
| 23:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh I haven't used modest since it got "fixed" in cssu |
| 23:29.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | on IroN900 |
| 23:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it might well be a real bug that had been there but is fixed since long |
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| 23:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | most recent files' timestamps are 2012-05-09 21:16, but most are from 2011 |
| 23:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: anyway goot spotting :-D |
| 23:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 23:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: now just tell me how to use date(1) to print a human digestible format from 1299184634 ;-) |
| 23:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: nevermind, date --help provides a verbatim example for it |
| 23:37.05 | SpeedEvil | awk '{print(srtftime("%c",$0)}' |
| 23:37.09 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 23:37.26 | SpeedEvil | typing on a virtual keyboard isn't fun |
| 23:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | date -d '@1299184634' |
| 23:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Do 3. Mär 21:37:14 CET 2011 |
| 23:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense |
| 23:37.45 | SpeedEvil | I may have the arguments the wrong way round |
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| 23:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, on t900 (stock fremantle) it looks like: |
| 23:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ./cache/mail/pop/reisenx@gmx.net__pop.gmx.net_110/cache/02: |
| 23:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 20182 Mar 30 2012 01ZvxE-1Rkh2q2t6k-00ULFK |
| 23:45.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | while on IroN900, it looks like: |
| 23:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | .modest/cache/mail/pop/jr__lagrax.cloux.de_110/cache/02: |
| 23:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 1307 2011-12-01 23:30 1299184634.63 |
| 23:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | on t900 the string 01ZvxE-1Rkh2q2t6k-00ULFK is truely random and new for each file, while on IroN900 all files are named 1299184634.[0-9]{2} |
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