| 00:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I deprecate messing with busybox(-power) for initscripts etc |
| 00:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | initscripts *might* rely on bugs in busybox which when fixed may cause system failure |
| 00:02.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and WFM doesn't count here, unless you did a proper code coverage analysis in all scripts |
| 00:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the bug may show up only for asian version, or only on full moon, whatever |
| 00:05.17 | robbiethe1st | Just try it, revert your changes if they don't work via BM |
| 00:05.18 | robbiethe1st | That |
| 00:05.22 | robbiethe1st | That's what it's for! |
| 00:05.27 | nox- | isnt that just a race? i.e. whether it picks up the grep itself or not... |
| 00:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the point is about the x parameter for ps |
| 00:06.35 | nox- | ah |
| 00:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | busybox ps showing all processes even without x |
| 00:06.55 | nox- | i c |
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| 00:46.43 | Plourde | Looking for some help with gprs in Nitdroid. Apn setting are corrrentand texts work well just not getting data |
| 00:50.50 | Plourde | Any help? |
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| 01:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you better ask in #nitdroid |
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| 07:36.09 | teotwaki | ~ugt |
| 07:36.09 | infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 07:44.25 | deepy | I've done that for the past 11 years |
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| 07:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sure, but that doesn't help with our compatibility issues with busybox |
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| 08:13.50 | WPA2 | hey guys |
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| 11:54.27 | fasta | Does anyone know of a replacement for LaTeX which is _not_ filled with rendering bugs? |
| 11:57.19 | lardman | ponders when a tablet with a GPU that supports OpenCL will be available |
| 11:58.26 | jaska | i wonder whats going on |
| 11:58.35 | jaska | phone has been very "choppy" ui-wise since last reboot |
| 11:58.55 | jaska | like scrolling something has a 1s lag before anything happens |
| 11:59.21 | jaska | it keeps on stuttering |
| 11:59.49 | lardman | ps? |
| 12:00.23 | jaska | nothing unusual |
| 12:00.38 | jaska | ah |
| 12:00.48 | jaska | sgx hardware recovery triggered spamming in dmesg |
| 12:02.38 | jaska | awkward |
| 12:02.51 | jaska | i dont have any transition stuff enabled either |
| 12:03.11 | jaska | wonder if reboot fixes it :| |
| 12:04.48 | jaska | dont think ive ever had that before |
| 12:04.55 | jaska | and i havent touched kernel or anything related in ages |
| 12:08.11 | lardman | I do seem to remember this happening in the old days, but can't for the life of me remember why |
| 12:08.49 | jaska | yeah i remember people getting it long ago.. just never had it before. hopefully wont start happening too often :( |
| 12:10.21 | lardman | may have been related to plugins or other home screen stuff |
| 12:10.35 | lardman | something that the opengl backend didn't like very much |
| 12:10.41 | jaska | hmm |
| 12:11.01 | jaska | sounds random.. ahvent used anything atypical. |
| 12:11.21 | lardman | reboot and see what happens in that case |
| 12:11.30 | lardman | use the good old Windows mantra ;) |
| 12:11.30 | jaska | yeah i rebooted.. it stopped acting up for now |
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| 12:11.50 | lardman | the driver was pretty buggy, so these things happen |
| 12:12.09 | teotwaki | lardman: heya |
| 12:12.20 | lardman | hey teotwaki, how's things? |
| 12:12.25 | teotwaki | good good |
| 12:12.31 | teotwaki | It's crashanddie, by the way |
| 12:12.35 | lardman | I know ;) |
| 12:12.37 | teotwaki | ok |
| 12:12.42 | teotwaki | how are things? Long time no see |
| 12:13.11 | lardman | Work's busy, daughter is 14 months old and we don't get much sleep, but all in all not bad |
| 12:13.24 | teotwaki | so buying a house was for the kiddo! I knew it! |
| 12:13.33 | lardman | would be better with some up to date tablet/phone hardware to play with mind you |
| 12:13.48 | lardman | nah didn't buy, still renting until I see what happens re my contract |
| 12:13.54 | teotwaki | ah |
| 12:14.01 | teotwaki | You were looking, though, weren't you? |
| 12:14.08 | ShadowJK | hopes jolla comes out with something sane and sensible |
| 12:14.32 | lardman | we sold up and moved out of a flat, which would have been bad with the buggy, looked and didn't see anything worth buying, so moved to a rental just before D-day |
| 12:14.59 | lardman | and still there (and bulging at the seams!) |
| 12:15.06 | teotwaki | Am currently looking, to buy. I tried to buy last week, but I got one-upped. |
| 12:15.13 | lardman | also hopes Jolla comes out with something |
| 12:15.26 | lardman | teotwaki: oh dear, sorry to hear that |
| 12:15.29 | teotwaki | I hope they do too, but still put a vapourware sticker on that. |
| 12:16.17 | teotwaki | Well, I put a bid under the value of the house, I knew it was risky, I didn't think someone else would make an offer the exact same day I did, though. |
| 12:16.41 | lardman | they didn't come back to you for a counter offer? |
| 12:16.57 | lardman | where are you buying? France? |
| 12:18.22 | lardman | I am currently looking at tablets, and wondering what the state of GPU driver support is like, while also thinking of holding off for a Mali T6xx with OpenCL support (which would be pretty cool) |
| 12:19.18 | teotwaki | lardman: yeah, looking to buy in southern France, the prices are low, and the market is good (not many people buying, nor able to get loans). I managed to get a pretty low-interest loan, so I could buy an entry-level house off in roughly 10-15 years. |
| 12:19.47 | lardman | cool :) |
| 12:19.49 | teotwaki | And that's only with my salary, my girlfriend still studying and all. |
| 12:20.22 | teotwaki | So that would mean that around age 40, we could purchase a second house, while renting out the first, with two salaries. |
| 12:21.07 | teotwaki | anyway, rebooting to install LMDE |
| 12:21.10 | lardman | or sell up and buy a bigger house! ;) |
| 12:21.21 | teotwaki | might get back on IRC while installing, give me a few. |
| 12:21.34 | lardman | cool, nice to chat |
| 12:22.57 | lardman | curses Google for leaving out a backward facing camera in the Nexus |
| 12:24.08 | lardman | I also wonder whether the rumours are true about a larger Samsung Nexus tablet |
| 12:24.27 | lardman | goes to see whether the method of flashing kernel + rootfs has changed since the Tab 1.0 |
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| 13:00.03 | SpeedEvil | lardman: everything but the hole in the back, the connector, the camera module and screwa are there for the back can |
| 13:00.34 | lardman | oh really, wow |
| 13:00.43 | lardman | strange they didn't just leave a hole for it then |
| 13:01.25 | SpeedEvil | no point having a pointless hole in the back |
| 13:01.46 | SpeedEvil | but reengineering the other stuff would have had a cost |
| 13:01.49 | lardman | ah sorry I misread, though you meant only the hole was missing, not the components too |
| 13:02.26 | SpeedEvil | yah, the moduke/connector aren't there |
| 13:02.43 | lardman | e.g. http://www.androidauthority.com/google-nexus-7-jelly-bean-tablet-design-includes-back-camera-104203/ just saw the hole in question |
| 13:04.06 | vi_ | I have a USB battery pack. |
| 13:04.10 | SpeedEvil | it's quite obvious when you open the back what it's for |
| 13:04.19 | vi_ | I plug it into my n900 and nothing happens. |
| 13:04.40 | vi_ | that is, no 'charging' message and now charging icon. |
| 13:05.00 | vi_ | However if I use the bq2x00 script, it clearly shows the device is charging. |
| 13:05.22 | vi_ | how is this possible? |
| 13:05.55 | vi_ | that is, no 'charging' message and no charging icon or LED. |
| 13:05.59 | lardman | is the charging icon only shown then the current in>>current out |
| 13:06.29 | lardman | so you may be supplying a current equal to that currently being used, and therefore not triggering the charging inidcators? |
| 13:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: seems that even without D+- short the bq24150 starts charging sometimes, when VBUS present |
| 13:07.19 | lardman | what does the script show for the battery pack vs usual wall wart? |
| 13:07.53 | lardman | and that was the other option, it won't tell you it's charging unless the USB cable is correctly detected |
| 13:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: replug! |
| 13:08.33 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I have done several times. |
| 13:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ok |
| 13:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess it's not D+- shorted |
| 13:08.50 | vi_ | I know it is charging, I thought it was a bit odd that it has given no indication of this though. |
| 13:09.19 | vi_ | d+- are not shorted, it is using a standard USB cable. |
| 13:09.22 | vi_ | ... |
| 13:09.32 | vi_ | Don't know about the external battery pack though. |
| 13:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: the bq24150 starts charging quasi-autonomously. Even when BME and evil friends don't think there's any proper charging source |
| 13:10.04 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: good...i think. |
| 13:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: a charger without D+- short is basically a USB host that doesn't reply, so probably the whole crap in N900 waits for ENUM |
| 13:11.10 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: way to miss out a case in the if/else. |
| 13:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase |
| 13:12.03 | vi_ | if(this){do this} else {that} |
| 13:12.19 | vi_ | If it gets stuck at 'that' forever, then it is no good. |
| 13:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 13:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might be right. I'm missing any question though, also don't see the relation to BME/charging |
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| 13:13.36 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05> vi_: a charger without D+- short is basically a USB |
| 13:13.37 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.38 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.12 | vi_ | if(D+- shorted){wait to enumerate, FOREVER} |
| 13:14.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I still don't get it |
| 13:14.35 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: nevermind, it was just a comment. |
| 13:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) if !(D+- shorted); b) what would be a proper timeout for waiting for ENUM? |
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| 13:16.00 | vi_ | I don't know. |
| 13:16.11 | vi_ | But I am sure waiting for things forever is a poor choice. |
| 13:16.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and - more relevant - what would be a good action to execute on timeout? |
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| 13:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, funny enough I've seen that "PCsuite / assRage?" requester several times when plugging in or unplugging(!) wallcharger too slowly, so leading contacts for GND/VBUS made contact before D+ and D- to detect short on those |
| 13:20.26 | vi_ | 'assrage'? |
| 13:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole contraption is rather wacky on niche cases |
| 13:20.36 | vi_ | is that like a bully ramming? |
| 13:20.37 | RST38h | moos |
| 13:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | MassSTOrage |
| 13:20.56 | vi_ | hello |
| 13:21.09 | RST38h | Doc:It did look better without your correction |
| 13:21.22 | jaska | heh |
| 13:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~assrage |
| 13:21.55 | vi_ | ~seen your assrage |
| 13:22.02 | infobot | vi_: i haven't seen 'your assrage' |
| 13:22.08 | *** mode/#maemo [+v povbot] by ChanServ |
| 13:22.11 | vi_ | no? |
| 13:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~assrage is like mASSstoRAGE |
| 13:23.04 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 13:23.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya l8r |
| 13:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponder standing for council!!! |
| 13:24.51 | vi_ | who, you? |
| 13:25.25 | freemangordon | vi_: did you try comcache on your second device? |
| 13:25.33 | vi_ | It has not arrived :( |
| 13:25.37 | freemangordon | :( |
| 13:25.39 | vi_ | I am totally miffed. |
| 13:26.03 | vi_ | I might have to buy a 3rd. |
| 13:26.12 | freemangordon | BTW ShadowJK tried it and it was ok. If we count no kernel oops as OK :D:D:D |
| 13:26.29 | vi_ | freemangordon: How did it perform? |
| 13:26.47 | vi_ | freemangordon: Also I am not entirely clear as to what you have changed. |
| 13:26.59 | freemangordon | Ask him, I am still not convinced it wirths the effort |
| 13:27.03 | freemangordon | *worths |
| 13:27.13 | ShadowJK | I only briefly tested it, but I got the impression fennec was faster |
| 13:27.29 | vi_ | ShadowJK: so you used backing swap? |
| 13:27.50 | ShadowJK | It's for sure better than the normal ramzswap backing swap |
| 13:28.04 | vi_ | freemangordon: is there any chance you could enable compcache statistics, at least for some of these testing versions? |
| 13:28.26 | vi_ | I would very much like to know how many pages are compressed, sent to backing swap etc. |
| 13:28.47 | freemangordon | it is way better, but still worse than using normal swap on uSD with tweaked stuff in /proc/sys/vm |
| 13:29.10 | freemangordon | vi_: I changed the driver so much, that thoses stats are almost meaningless |
| 13:29.14 | vi_ | ok |
| 13:29.17 | freemangordon | *those |
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| 13:29.49 | freemangordon | vi_: lemme try to find the logs with explanation how it works now |
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| 13:30.41 | vi_ | apparently I have to get mrs vi_ an n900 now. |
| 13:30.56 | teotwaki | vi_: my mrs loves the n900 |
| 13:31.37 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: on which channel did we discuss this morning? |
| 13:31.47 | ShadowJK | no idea |
| 13:32.01 | vi_ | teotwaki: what does she like about it? |
| 13:32.37 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: aah, it was not this morning, but yesterday |
| 13:32.41 | freemangordon | nevermind |
| 13:32.58 | teotwaki | vi_: the battery life, the conversations (sms), the keyboard, the fact she can use her nails on the screen instead of her finger. |
| 13:34.25 | vi_ | I never thought I would hear someone praise the n900 ob batterylife! |
| 13:34.42 | teotwaki | vi_: well, she compares it to my blackberry. |
| 13:36.26 | freemangordon | vi_: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-10-25.log.html#t2012-10-25T00:34:47 |
| 13:36.42 | freemangordon | that is (roughly) how it works now |
| 13:37.26 | vi_ | freemangordon: ty |
| 13:37.42 | freemangordon | vi_: n900 battery life with SR on and -thumb is hardly to be beaten |
| 13:38.14 | freemangordon | (symbian devices excluded :D ) |
| 13:38.49 | jaska | how much of the stuff is thumb-compiled in that case? |
| 13:39.04 | teotwaki | installing LMDE, 10 minutes. Updating LMDE's packages on one of the mirrors, 10 minutes. Updating LMDE's Debian-imported packages from linuxmint.com? 2 hours. |
| 13:39.12 | jaska | should probably update my partial cssu thingy |
| 13:39.28 | freemangordon | jaska: depends on what do you mean by saying "stuff" |
| 13:39.37 | teotwaki | Some things in life can't wait, for everything else, there's slow-ass overloaded servers. Courtesy of Eurocard/Mastercard. |
| 13:39.57 | jaska | i mean, wouldnt quite a bit need to be thumbed for it to make any meaningful difference in power use |
| 13:40.06 | freemangordon | jaska: thumb thread on TMO has almost full list of thumb-compiled packages |
| 13:41.01 | freemangordon | jaska: not neccessarily, it is enough that lots of libs shared by every executeble are thumb |
| 13:41.11 | freemangordon | i.e clutter, gtk, qt |
| 13:41.16 | freemangordon | along with X sever |
| 13:41.19 | freemangordon | *server |
| 13:41.33 | freemangordon | but you'd better look at the full list |
| 13:42.17 | jaska | ah, now i remember why i didnt install full cssu, custom vte and osso-xterm i already have with stuff like scrollbars removed |
| 13:42.28 | jaska | so it doesnt waste screen real-estate |
| 13:42.53 | vi_ | jaska: tell me more about this custom xterm... |
| 13:43.04 | vi_ | I am searching for an osso-xterm replacement. |
| 13:43.20 | jaska | vi: i just hacked until i got rid of the scroll indicator thingy. and various border pixels |
| 13:43.33 | vi_ | jaska: on osso-xterm? |
| 13:43.35 | jaska | yeah |
| 13:43.48 | vi_ | ...did you enable middle click pasting?? |
| 13:43.53 | jaska | no |
| 13:44.01 | vi_ | the search for the dream continues. |
| 13:45.01 | vi_ | xterm is good, however it completely ignores all configuration files and you cannot change the font. |
| 13:45.04 | jaska | i should probably clean my hacks up |
| 13:45.25 | vi_ | mrxvt is good but you cannot change the font/font size either. |
| 13:45.54 | jaska | not sure how you middleclick on this thing :) |
| 13:46.09 | vi_ | jaska: see: |
| 13:46.13 | vi_ | ~vi-kbd |
| 13:46.14 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 13:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | scrollbars on xterm?? o.O |
| 13:46.40 | jaska | doc: it has some sort of scroll indicator |
| 13:47.04 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: and a couple of pixels sized border. |
| 13:47.13 | vi_ | wasting precious screen space. |
| 13:47.17 | jaska | :D |
| 13:47.30 | jaska | id look it up but the machine that has my sdk vm is not on |
| 13:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah |
| 13:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm more concerned about wasted space for bottom bar |
| 13:48.07 | jaska | oh, i disable that |
| 13:48.10 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: fullscreen it. |
| 13:48.19 | jaska | i was looking into making a smaller bottom bar |
| 13:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ??? |
| 13:48.23 | jaska | but i just threw it away |
| 13:48.44 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: You are shitting me. You are aware osso-xterm can go full screen, no bottom bar right? |
| 13:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 13:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | my fullscreen xterm still has bottom bar |
| 13:49.18 | vi_ | nothing but glorious console all over the screen, no buttons. |
| 13:49.20 | jaska | yeah, i run mine sans titlebar or bottom bar |
| 13:49.29 | vi_ | jaska: just like the pros |
| 13:49.52 | jaska | think some gconf setting toggles it |
| 13:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all, without bottom fullscreen symbol, how would you end fullscreen mode? |
| 13:50.34 | jaska | on mine you press fn-shift-y |
| 13:50.47 | jaska | or fn-shift-backspace |
| 13:50.56 | jaska | (f6) |
| 13:51.00 | vi_ | f6 |
| 13:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | tsss |
| 13:51.17 | vi_ | next question: How do I F6? |
| 13:51.24 | vi_ | answer: |
| 13:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer F6 free for cli apps using F6 |
| 13:51.28 | jaska | ctrl-backspace lets me taskswitch |
| 13:51.29 | vi_ | ~vi-kbd |
| 13:51.30 | infobot | i heard vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 13:51.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw iirc F6 is already bound to VOL- or sth like that |
| 13:52.00 | vi_ | F6 is built into osso-xterm, it will swallow F6 anyway. |
| 13:52.11 | vi_ | vol is F7, F8 |
| 13:52.44 | jaska | it was f6 back in diablo too |
| 13:52.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, cya |
| 13:53.06 | vi_ | Fsck knows why F6 disables full screen, there is no F6 key. Anywhere. |
| 13:53.52 | jaska | also osso-xterm doesnt observe the disable-bottombar thingy until you fullscreen by default |
| 13:53.55 | jaska | think its some bug |
| 13:54.21 | jaska | but if you f6 f6 it obeys |
| 13:54.51 | vi_ | yah |
| 13:54.54 | jaska | i guess i should make it so that i can copypasta from hotkeys |
| 13:54.56 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" |
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| 13:55.28 | vi_ | jaska: yes, copy+paste is the ONLY reason I ever need to un-fullscreen. |
| 13:55.34 | vi_ | It is a pain in the ass. |
| 13:55.39 | jaska | ye |
| 13:55.42 | vi_ | hence, middle click paste. |
| 13:55.46 | jaska | i have some keys left over |
| 13:55.54 | jaska | i forgot i hadnt used all keys yet :) |
| 13:56.05 | jaska | so now i have scandinavian umlauts and 4-arrows |
| 13:56.16 | vi_ | woot. |
| 13:56.16 | jaska | plus unix/programming related special chars |
| 13:56.32 | jaska | without dipping into special char view |
| 13:56.52 | vi_ | jaska: now you can remap blue+trl to be alt. |
| 13:56.58 | vi_ | jaska: now you can remap blue+ctrl to be alt. |
| 13:57.10 | jaska | hmm. orly? |
| 13:57.12 | vi_ | ... |
| 13:57.13 | vi_ | no |
| 13:57.19 | vi_ | it doesnt work. |
| 13:57.21 | jaska | :( |
| 13:57.30 | vi_ | it is reported as alt by xev |
| 13:57.31 | jon_y | anyway, what is the difference with gconftool-2 and gconftool? |
| 13:57.48 | vi_ | but just doesnt work for some reason. |
| 13:57.58 | jaska | might not be in the modifier map |
| 13:58.53 | vi_ | jaska: If you can crack this one you will be a hero. |
| 13:58.58 | vi_ | To literally tens of people. |
| 13:59.03 | jaska | no xmodmap installed i think hmm |
| 13:59.08 | vi_ | Some people. |
| 13:59.11 | jaska | lol |
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| 13:59.15 | vi_ | well, probably only 2. |
| 13:59.17 | jaska | keeps on shrinking |
| 13:59.18 | jaska | yeah |
| 13:59.21 | jaska | was about to suggest 1-2 |
| 13:59.27 | vi_ | including yourself and me. |
| 13:59.32 | vi_ | So really that is none. |
| 13:59.36 | vi_ | none people. |
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| 14:01.35 | jaska | looks like xmodmap is in extras-devel |
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| 14:08.01 | vi_ | SoaB |
| 14:08.10 | vi_ | my new n900 has not even been shipped. |
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| 15:01.08 | Pali | anybody who can fix bug in grep? https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055766 |
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| 15:02.12 | Pali | bug is also present in maemo busybox grep and also in extras findutils-gnu |
| 15:06.56 | StyXman | Pali: if I do I get to work for canonical? |
| 15:07.17 | Pali | StyXman, maybe :-) |
| 15:07.31 | Pali | but it is really funny bug :D |
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| 15:12.04 | StyXman | yeah, I saw if when the brouhaha about amazon on by default was on its climas (like 5h after it went live) |
| 15:12.10 | StyXman | climax* |
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| 15:12.35 | StyXman | )all that in a very sarcastic tone which you can't see in your IRC clients) |
| 15:14.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart pali for wasting everybody's time and bandwidth |
| 15:14.53 | infobot | DoSes pali for wasting everybody's time and bandwidth |
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| 15:16.40 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, it is today joke :-) |
| 15:16.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | not exactly easy to get the catch it's BS, when browsing there in microB |
| 15:17.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 15:18.56 | merlin1991 | Pali: #41 in the comments is great :D |
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| 15:22.10 | Pali | if [$USER != "root"]; then echo "Warning: Must be Mark!"; exit :-(; fi |
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| 15:22.15 | Pali | merlin1991 ^ :-) |
| 15:23.25 | Pali | also we need missing feature from #23 and #24 |
| 15:23.29 | Pali | :D |
| 15:24.40 | vi_ | is there going to be ads in unity or something? |
| 15:26.07 | vi_ | just found it out. |
| 15:26.11 | vi_ | WTF is that shit? |
| 15:26.21 | vi_ | Not even windows goes that far. |
| 15:26.28 | vi_ | WTF boontoo? |
| 15:27.02 | vi_ | What person will willingly install it if it comes bundled with that horse shit? |
| 15:30.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | unity? sounds like ubuntu crap |
| 15:30.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | canonical, so you're surprised? |
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| 15:33.09 | vi_ | oohboontoo was my first linux distro. |
| 15:33.23 | Skry | yeah, and in addition they are moving some of the development behind closed doors |
| 15:33.34 | vi_ | wtf |
| 15:33.45 | vi_ | who the F do they think they are? |
| 15:34.02 | Skry | mm, splitting the community to the elite and the rest |
| 15:34.23 | vi_ | The only reason boontoo works is because of the army of OSS zealots backing it for free. |
| 15:34.33 | freemangordon | hmm, I was just about to replace my windoze with Ubuntu, is there something I am missing? |
| 15:34.44 | vi_ | it has totally caught the gay. |
| 15:35.02 | vi_ | freemangordon: Try strait up debian. |
| 15:35.09 | Skry | my first was RH5, amiga os before that |
| 15:35.17 | freemangordon | vi_: where to get that from? |
| 15:35.42 | freemangordon | ok,ok, i'll ask google :) |
| 15:35.45 | vi_ | freemangordon: debian.org |
| 15:35.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: yeah, you're missing |
| 15:35.58 | freemangordon | 10x |
| 15:36.02 | Skry | freemangordon: if you want best of ubuntu and debian, go with mint, I do recommend considering/trying other options though. |
| 15:36.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~buntkuh |
| 15:36.04 | infobot | [buntkuh] http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind |
| 15:36.21 | freemangordon | the fuck, i've just burnt the CD |
| 15:36.30 | vi_ | mint is bloaty as fuck. |
| 15:36.32 | freemangordon | but yeah, Debian it will be |
| 15:36.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: honestly you probably better stay with genuine windows |
| 15:36.43 | vi_ | debian+http://smxi.org/ |
| 15:36.47 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I can't stand it anymore |
| 15:37.22 | freemangordon | AV SW is using 2 of my 4 cores, no thanks |
| 15:37.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | then WTF you ponder to switch to fake windows aka buntkuh? |
| 15:37.26 | vi_ | besides, halflife 3 will be released on linux. |
| 15:37.32 | freemangordon | ^^^ |
| 15:37.46 | freemangordon | and as it is 32bit it utilyses only 3 GB |
| 15:37.50 | Skry | vi_: yeah, it is. Personally wont use anything but Arch and Gentoo. |
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| 15:38.09 | vi_ | Skry: I dont have that much free time! |
| 15:38.46 | freemangordon | vi_: Debian comes with gnome2 or 3? |
| 15:38.59 | vi_ | debian comes with whatever the fuck you want. |
| 15:39.20 | Skry | vi_: mm, takes few hours in arch to set everything up first time, then you dont need to do anything if you dont want to, it's rollin' |
| 15:39.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a *real* distro |
| 15:39.28 | vi_ | You download the minimal install. |
| 15:39.39 | freemangordon | vi_: remember, you are helping a windoze user to turn into the "real OS' user :P |
| 15:39.44 | vi_ | Then just get whatever you want over the net. |
| 15:39.56 | vi_ | freemangordon: ??? I thought you where a 'nix pro! |
| 15:40.02 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 15:40.31 | vi_ | the debian installer gives you a choice of DE as I recall. |
| 15:40.53 | vi_ | getting a different DE is as easy as apt-get install lxde |
| 15:41.00 | vi_ | or kde |
| 15:41.11 | vi_ | or gnome etc. |
| 15:41.26 | freemangordon | vi_: I am trying to find a distro to replace my Win95, wich evolved to XP during the years. With not a single time I used format C: | Y |
| 15:41.43 | vi_ | o0 |
| 15:41.48 | freemangordon | vi_: see |
| 15:41.55 | vi_ | How old is your computer? |
| 15:42.05 | freemangordon | it is relatively new |
| 15:42.22 | freemangordon | but it started from 486DX2/100 |
| 15:42.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, no help from my side, I stopped using win at home with win98 |
| 15:42.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | some 13 years ago |
| 15:43.06 | freemangordon | i've upgraded either HW or OS, but without losing anything |
| 15:43.16 | vi_ | freemangordon: the same case? |
| 15:43.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | so have I |
| 15:44.08 | vi_ | freemangordon: Well if you want to go 'nix you may want to consider backing up all your shit. |
| 15:44.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | started on KDE1 and suse4 iirc |
| 15:44.21 | freemangordon | And BH I am too old to use lynx to ask google what packages I am supposed to install to have X running |
| 15:44.24 | vi_ | But you seem to know your way around linux. |
| 15:44.32 | vi_ | freemangordon: lols |
| 15:44.33 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 15:44.48 | vi_ | you use links2 with svga frame buffer. |
| 15:44.54 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 15:45.23 | vi_ | freemangordon: It used to be setting up Xserver was the mark of a boy who had progressed to manhood. |
| 15:45.29 | freemangordon | that is why I wanted ubuntu. Not anymore, if I wanted android ads shit I wouldn't have bought n900 ;) |
| 15:45.32 | vi_ | now it is not so difficult. |
| 15:45.49 | vi_ | freemangordon: Go for linux mint then. |
| 15:45.50 | freemangordon | vi_: Been there done that |
| 15:45.51 | Skry | freemangordon: Mint has cinnamon which is pretty much gnome3 made usable/gnome2 like, and it has compatibility with ubuntu, and offers also other DE's, admittably it is as bloated as ubuntu. Xubuntu is also a very good distro based on buntu. Mint is also wife approved, at least in here, so it is pretty trouble free and comes with etc essential multimedia shits preinstalled. I still recommend giving some effort and going with bare debian, arch or |
| 15:46.39 | freemangordon | vi_: I mean bringing X up, with RH6.3 and FC1 |
| 15:46.48 | vi_ | fuck dat. |
| 15:47.00 | freemangordon | so, going to install debian |
| 15:47.16 | freemangordon | will see ... |
| 15:47.17 | vi_ | good choice. |
| 15:47.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | shrug |
| 15:47.34 | freemangordon | which version would you recommend? |
| 15:47.35 | vi_ | It is a nice balance between power and automation. |
| 15:47.51 | vi_ | personally I would go with unstable. |
| 15:48.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems my friend had no trouble at all to install FC on the toughbook he sold to me |
| 15:48.02 | Skry | as would i |
| 15:48.06 | vi_ | It is generally quite stable. |
| 15:48.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: actually I liked FC lots in the past. |
| 15:48.32 | raccoon_ | +1 on unstable, however testing is quick enough to make use of most bleeding edge updates |
| 15:48.40 | raccoon_ | but unstable is really not that unstable as it sounds :) |
| 15:48.49 | vi_ | testing is what I meant! |
| 15:48.58 | freemangordon | ok |
| 15:48.59 | vi_ | what 'coon said. |
| 15:49.04 | vi_ | I forgot the name. |
| 15:49.36 | freemangordon | that one? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20121018? |
| 15:51.13 | freemangordon | vi_: ^^^? |
| 15:51.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: if you're used to windows you might indeed love debian. I fvor one hate the fractal character of the whole thing |
| 15:51.46 | freemangordon | I am |
| 15:52.15 | vi_ | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:52.15 | freemangordon | and unfortuantely no option here, I need it for my work :( |
| 15:52.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's all opposite of a proper distro under professional maintenance, like RH/fedora or (even better) suse |
| 15:53.27 | vi_ | freemangordon: Personally I prefer the netinst. That is network installer. |
| 15:53.49 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: I am not sure how will SB cope with fedora and rpms ;) |
| 15:53.57 | Skry | tbh I find nothing else wrong with fedora but their switch to defaulting gnome3, otherwise a very good distro. |
| 15:53.57 | vi_ | It is a smaller download and you don't have to update right away. |
| 15:53.58 | freemangordon | vi_: yeah, downloading it |
| 15:54.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, I got it installwd on suse |
| 15:54.19 | vi_ | freemangordon: backup your shit. |
| 15:54.29 | vi_ | freemangordon: This thing will install grub on your computer. |
| 15:54.33 | Skry | freemangordon: you can get SB running on just about every distro, and dpkg can be installed |
| 15:54.50 | vi_ | While it is usually safe it could potentially hose your MBR. |
| 15:54.51 | raccoon_ | freemangordon: i would also recommend #debian for pointers on how to get up and running! |
| 15:55.06 | freemangordon | sure, but i'd prefer to have debs natively supported |
| 15:55.23 | vi_ | oh god, #debian. |
| 15:55.32 | freemangordon | raccoon_: well, I don't think I will have any problems with installation |
| 15:55.53 | raccoon_ | freemangordon: nah, i meant more practical questions, how to do things in debian compared to other systems |
| 15:56.01 | freemangordon | My questions are related to user experience |
| 15:56.05 | vi_ | freemangordon: also: http://smxi.org/ |
| 15:56.09 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 15:56.18 | raccoon_ | there's a debian way of doing most stuff, as well as there's a fedora way, an arch way, gentoo way, etc |
| 15:56.25 | vi_ | handy little script to automate updating/installing some stuff. |
| 15:56.32 | vi_ | I even use it in easy debian! |
| 15:56.33 | raccoon_ | i for one like to get a grip of those parts when learning a new distro |
| 15:56.49 | vi_ | freemangordon: user experiance? |
| 15:57.07 | raccoon_ | heading out, bbl |
| 15:57.13 | vi_ | raccoon_: bb |
| 15:57.17 | freemangordon | bb |
| 15:57.23 | freemangordon | vi_: ? |
| 15:57.41 | vi_ | freemangordon> My questions are related to user experience |
| 15:58.05 | freemangordon | well, I mean I hate unity |
| 15:58.10 | vi_ | heh. |
| 15:58.18 | freemangordon | for example |
| 15:58.20 | Skry | who doesnt :) |
| 15:58.25 | freemangordon | don;t like KDE either |
| 15:58.32 | vi_ | under debian it is piss easy to install new windows managers. |
| 15:58.40 | freemangordon | good |
| 15:58.58 | vi_ | gererally you just: apt-get install <YOUR NEW WINDOWS MANAGER> |
| 15:59.13 | vi_ | and it will appear as an option in the login manager. |
| 15:59.13 | freemangordon | ok, disk is ready, going to try it, bb |
| 15:59.26 | vi_ | good luck! |
| 15:59.32 | freemangordon | 10x |
| 15:59.54 | vi_ | first time linux install... |
| 15:59.57 | vi_ | poor fucker. |
| 16:00.02 | Skry | :D |
| 16:00.19 | vi_ | he will need a stiff drink before this night is out. |
| 16:00.28 | Skry | I still remember my first time with minix.. |
| 16:00.58 | vi_ | no one forgets their first install. |
| 16:01.09 | vi_ | It is like their first time being sexually assaulted. |
| 16:02.37 | vi_ | ~seen vi_ |
| 16:02.41 | infobot | vi_ is currently on #maemo (4h 34m 38s). Has said a total of 154 messages. Is idling for 4s, last said: '~seen vi_'. |
| 16:03.16 | vi_ | gtg bb |
| 16:06.04 | Skry | worst installation experience by far was netbsd on m68k quite some time ago, would definetely preferred multiple sexual assaults over that. then again, was kid back then and had NFC what I was doing. |
| 16:11.38 | StyXman | Skry: those are the educational experiences |
| 16:12.52 | Skry | yes, very important ones too i might add |
| 16:15.21 | Skry | also, experiences as such can make you somewhat diverted of the mainstream though. I cant do shit on Windows machine. In total, I have had windows installed on my machine for like, 6 months maybe. |
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| 17:46.48 | freemangordon | seems my PC does not like 64 bit OS-es :( |
| 17:47.14 | freemangordon | no joy with neither debian or ubuntu |
| 17:47.23 | freemangordon | *either |
| 17:47.40 | freemangordon | vi_: ^^^ |
| 17:48.33 | freemangordon | going to download and try 32bit debian |
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| 18:00.34 | kerio | freemangordon: you suck! |
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| 18:02.37 | freemangordon | sure |
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| 18:03.27 | freemangordon | if you wish you may try to install 64bit linux on nForce 250 with AGP ATI card |
| 18:04.57 | piggz | freemangordon: sure your cpu is 64bit? :D |
| 18:05.14 | freemangordon | Phenom II |
| 18:05.18 | freemangordon | I think so |
| 18:05.22 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 18:07.51 | kerio | an AGP graphics card? D: |
| 18:10.48 | vi__ | agp? |
| 18:10.59 | vi__ | is that like a laser disk? |
| 18:11.37 | kerio | oh burn |
| 18:11.43 | vi__ | does 64bit==moar powar? |
| 18:11.54 | kerio | vi__: 64bit == moar addresses |
| 18:12.20 | vi__ | I know that. |
| 18:13.16 | kerio | hm, i wonder if it's worth it to setup apkenv just to play fruit ninja |
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| 18:22.37 | vi__ | install froot ninja |
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| 18:34.02 | freemangordon | no joy with x86 debian too, it just resets out of the blue. I am starting to think that HW is faulty :( |
| 18:35.33 | freemangordon | vi_: yes, AGP. my board is a strange animal with am2 socket, AGP and PCI-E :D |
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| 18:36.15 | freemangordon | and it deffinitely does not like Linux. or vice versa :D |
| 18:37.28 | kerio | vi__: but apkenv is tuff to install D: |
| 18:37.52 | freemangordon | though I've installed a couple of distros 2-3 years ago, but CPU was not Phenom. ANyway I am out of both blank DVDs and time, so will stick to windoze for now |
| 18:38.32 | kerio | >installing from optical media |
| 18:38.34 | kerio | >2012 |
| 18:38.38 | kerio | wtfamireading |
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| 18:43.53 | kerio | freemangordon: srsly bro |
| 18:44.35 | main-in-the-mirr | hi. how is the status, will maemo server shut down end of this month? |
| 18:44.54 | kerio | we've got mirrors :3 |
| 18:44.57 | kerio | seeeeeekrit mirrors |
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| 18:46.33 | main-in-the-mirr | kerio: ok. also meamo talk mirror? I cloned fremantle repository myself already. |
| 18:49.55 | main-in-the-mirr | well, it |
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| 20:12.35 | vi__ | freemangordon: ping |
| 20:13.40 | vi__ | are you a limerix shareware OS user yet? |
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| 21:01.07 | MrPingu | Hi! |
| 21:02.13 | MrPingu | Is there an easy solution for syncing calendar and contacts with outlook? |
| 21:05.40 | MrPingu | Right now I have syncevolution to sync with google calendar and outlook with google callendar, so indirectly outlook got synced |
| 21:08.53 | andre__ | an openchange server? |
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| 21:13.06 | freemangordon | vi_: not sure I got your question, but I am still wondoze user :( |
| 21:13.23 | freemangordon | *windoze |
| 21:13.49 | MrPingu | if it's easy to set up, i'm totally for it. I don't like google calendar, the way it refuses to import my timetable to my personal calendar |
| 21:19.21 | MrPingu | andre_: what's openchange exactly, the homepage doesn't load here |
| 21:20.20 | andre__ | MrPingu, freshmeat says " |
| 21:20.21 | andre__ | OpenChange intends to provide a portable implementation of the Microsoft Outlook and Microsoft Exchange protocols. That is, it provides the client and server sides of the Microsoft Exchange RPC (MAPI) protocols." |
| 21:22.47 | MrPingu | Andre_: thanks, seems that might be my solution :) |
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| 21:35.29 | MrPingu | Doesn't seem that's the way to go either :( |
| 21:36.20 | _Lena | <DocScrutinizer05> hello, my n900 is still not conecting to pc. Do you got some time now to give me a hand ? |
| 21:36.32 | MrPingu | I assume M$ just screws us... |
| 21:38.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | _Lena: sorry, I'm in a bar right now, having a drink. I'll be really online and available in a few hours |
| 21:40.23 | _Lena | ok, when you got time and you in the mood send me a message, enjoy your beer(sss |
| 21:40.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | _Lena: could you check your PC syslog? |
| 21:41.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | something like: |
| 21:41.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | 'tail -f /var/log/messages' |
| 21:41.58 | _Lena | i tryed 2 other laptops and one whith windows, all whithout luck, not conecting |
| 21:42.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | possibly it's not messages but syslog or whatever your distro uses |
| 21:43.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ( ctrl-c to abort) |
| 21:43.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | (run this cmd in an own shell) |
| 21:44.41 | MrPingu | time to go, bye! |
| 21:44.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | _Lena: and yes, I'll ping you when I'm back. Meanwhile maybe another competent user can help you |
| 21:45.20 | _Lena | ok, see you later |
| 21:46.49 | freemangordon | unfortunately I am busy too, sorry :( |
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| 21:51.20 | akls | vi_, are you there? |
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| 21:54.33 | akls | I'm following this guide http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 21:54.58 | akls | but i'm getting ~[ when pressing shift+blue+z or shift+blue+x |
| 21:58.13 | akls | oh, well, now I did it exactly like on the man page |
| 21:58.44 | akls | and now I'm getting [] on shift+blue+z or shift+blue+x |
| 21:58.53 | akls | OH |
| 21:58.57 | akls | it's meant to be this way... |
| 21:58.58 | akls | ok... |
| 21:59.00 | akls | but why? |
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| 22:03.59 | Skry | duh |
| 22:08.18 | akls | Can I enable Delete key somehow? |
| 22:08.28 | akls | I've tried using "Delete" but it didn't work |
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| 22:39.47 | akls | how can I test middle click? :D |
| 22:41.21 | Skry | open terminal, do some stuff, select some text and middle click |
| 22:41.53 | Skry | assuming middle click paste works in fremantle |
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| 22:46.45 | akls | Skry, yeah, works |
| 22:46.51 | akls | but it pastes the selection O_o |
| 22:46.58 | akls | but ok, just wanted to test it |
| 22:47.09 | Skry | yes, like it should |
| 22:47.28 | akls | oh, and in x terminal it doesn't work |
| 22:47.35 | akls | I've tested it in easy debian |
| 22:48.07 | Skry | yeah, i kinda suspected it might not work in maemo, by default at least |
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| 22:51.14 | akls | now how can I make easy debian use my modified keyboard? |
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| 22:52.00 | Skry | have you edited rx-51 file directly or are you using xmodmap? |
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| 22:52.08 | akls | edited rx-51 |
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| 22:53.40 | Skry | hmm, I'm not familiar with easy debian so hard to say, was it that chroot hack or smthing? |
| 22:54.28 | akls | chroot hack? I'm talking lxde desktop |
| 22:54.52 | akls | in debian terminal my keyboard is fine |
| 22:55.19 | akls | Skry, ok, but do you know how to make xbindkeys to start automatically? |
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| 22:55.41 | akls | I've tried placing a script to event.d directory, but somehow xbindkeys didn't start |
| 22:58.18 | Skry | did you read the wiki? |
| 22:59.33 | akls | this page? http://wiki.maemo.org/Startup_script |
| 22:59.34 | akls | of course |
| 22:59.44 | akls | AH |
| 22:59.57 | akls | I had a typo in path |
| 22:59.59 | akls | sorry :D |
| 23:00.44 | Skry | and i suppose you need to copy or symlink rx-51 keymap to where ever the debian root is |
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| 23:08.17 | akls | Skry, no, still it doesn't work |
| 23:08.48 | akls | Skry, in /etc/event.d/ I've created a file just like on the wiki |
| 23:09.11 | akls | Skry, and added "xbindkeys -f /home/user/.xbindkeysrc" |
| 23:21.04 | akls | seems like it's too early for it to start |
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