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| 03:11.03 | narwalrus | hello? |
| 03:11.07 | narwalrus | Anybody.... |
| 03:11.55 | narwalrus | ,,, |
| 03:11.57 | narwalrus | ... |
| 03:12.13 | narwalrus | :3: |
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| 03:26.16 | merlin1991 | narwalrus: kinda the wrong time of the night |
| 03:28.11 | merlin1991 | this channel is mostly filled with european people so you'll get answers starting in 3 to 4 hours :) |
| 03:28.22 | merlin1991 | and I'm really late for bed, so gn :P |
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| 07:28.12 | freemangordon | vi_: compcache won't make it :(. No matter what I do, compression/decompression eats all of the cpu. Or I am too stupid and can't think of a better algo |
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| 07:29.01 | ShadowJK | are you modifying it? |
| 07:29.14 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: yes |
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| 07:29.40 | freemangordon | new pages go to compressed pool and to a queue to be written |
| 07:29.58 | freemangordon | once the queue has 256 pages I write it (async) |
| 07:30.41 | freemangordon | once there is less than one free page in allowed memory, I release 16 oldest pages from compressed pool |
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| 07:32.12 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: cannot understand what I am missing |
| 07:32.41 | freemangordon | I am thinking to give up om compression, it just eats CPU with nothing gained |
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| 07:34.23 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: any thoughts? |
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| 07:37.46 | vi_ | freemangordon: ping |
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| 07:40.11 | freemangordon | vi_: pong |
| 07:40.55 | freemangordon | vi_: sorry, didn't see your queries, I was tweaking compcache for the last couple of days and didn't look at IRC |
| 07:41.12 | freemangordon | vi_: red the backscroll |
| 07:41.14 | freemangordon | *read |
| 07:41.17 | vi_ | freemangordon: heh. Thats cool. |
| 07:41.21 | vi_ | Yeah, I read it. |
| 07:41.23 | freemangordon | no, it is not |
| 07:41.23 | vi_ | lame |
| 07:41.24 | freemangordon | :( |
| 07:42.03 | freemangordon | seems that the problem with comcache and n900 is that CPU is too weak, not the amount of RAM |
| 07:42.08 | freemangordon | or both |
| 07:42.42 | vi_ | I thought it worked nicely on n8x0. |
| 07:42.50 | vi_ | freemangordon: check your msg. |
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| 07:44.29 | jaska | dunno if a lesser compression algo like snappy or lz4 would do anything? |
| 07:46.12 | freemangordon | jaska: it uses lzo1 aiui |
| 07:46.20 | freemangordon | which is supposed to be fast |
| 07:46.30 | vi_ | what about GPU acceleration? |
| 07:46.54 | jaska | yeah lzo1 is pretty near to lz4 |
| 07:47.03 | vi_ | someone must have implemented some kind of compression algo that exploits the features of a GPU. |
| 07:47.05 | freemangordon | naah, the problem is that compressed pool starts to trash once full |
| 07:47.55 | freemangordon | and I just can't think of how to avoid that |
| 07:48.05 | freemangordon | anyway, on my way to work, bbl |
| 07:48.39 | vi_ | bb |
| 07:49.28 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; well, what compression is it doing? lzop -1 like? |
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| 07:51.33 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; is it actually burning cpu on compression, or does it possibly get stuck up releasing/allocating+compr once write throughput is less than swapout demand? |
| 07:52.25 | ShadowJK | reads all the way to bottom and spots freemangordon has the same hunch, trashing |
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| 08:12.02 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: yeah, it seems like trashing |
| 08:12.09 | freemangordon | and yes, it is lzo1 |
| 08:12.38 | freemangordon | lzo1x_1_compress |
| 08:12.51 | freemangordon | though I am thinking that my MM sucks |
| 08:13.41 | ShadowJK | the stuff you release from the pool, is it on swap partition too? |
| 08:13.58 | freemangordon | either there or in the queue |
| 08:14.21 | freemangordon | waiting to be written |
| 08:15.19 | freemangordon | though I try to play it smart, i.e. I release those (16) pages from the compressed pool with oldest jiffies |
| 08:15.35 | freemangordon | ans maybe this is one of the probles |
| 08:15.38 | ShadowJK | I mean so that a read of it doesn't pull it back to compressed pool |
| 08:15.50 | freemangordon | it does not pull it back |
| 08:16.00 | freemangordon | it just sits on the flash |
| 08:16.06 | ShadowJK | so that a read just pulls it into swap cache from flash |
| 08:16.13 | freemangordon | no |
| 08:16.28 | freemangordon | reading does not put stuff into te compressed pull |
| 08:16.32 | freemangordon | only writing |
| 08:17.05 | ShadowJK | (the normal swap cache) |
| 08:17.14 | freemangordon | aah, yes |
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| 08:17.57 | freemangordon | on reading I am doing a normal READ bio if the page is not in compressed pool (or in write queue) |
| 08:18.15 | freemangordon | so it behaves just like a normal swap |
| 08:18.53 | freemangordon | but I think I have to get rid of the timestamping |
| 08:19.21 | freemangordon | as finding the oldest pages takes looots of time |
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| 08:20.11 | freemangordon | and just free lets say 256 pages from the compressed pool once I am out of memory for compressed pages |
| 08:20.23 | freemangordon | on a circular basis |
| 08:20.34 | freemangordon | will try that when I am back home |
| 08:21.50 | freemangordon | though maybe the best I can do is to not compress at all, but just implement what nokia did (for swap) in a better way |
| 08:21.52 | ShadowJK | 256 pages sounds pretty huge |
| 08:22.03 | freemangordon | 1MiB |
| 08:22.18 | freemangordon | this is what I use for eraseblock size |
| 08:22.33 | freemangordon | though it can be changed of course |
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| 08:24.05 | freemangordon | though when I come to the point to implement background defragmentation, I wull have to lower that a bit :D |
| 08:25.37 | freemangordon | in the meanwhile: a rpi is sitting on my desk, right in front of me :D:D:D |
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| 08:32.59 | jaska | rpi? |
| 08:35.22 | StyXman | raspberry pi, probably |
| 08:36.42 | jon_y | rpi2, a circle :) |
| 08:37.03 | jaska | ah. |
| 08:37.14 | jon_y | freemangordon: I sure hope you got the 512MB version |
| 08:37.27 | jon_y | 256MB is pretty low these days |
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| 08:39.56 | freemangordon | jon_y: naah, it is 256. Put it fits for the purpose, I am going to use that to make an embedded controller |
| 08:40.04 | freemangordon | s/Put/But/ |
| 08:41.12 | jon_y | freemangordon: control what? |
| 08:41.28 | jon_y | weather controller :) |
| 08:41.34 | jaska | the universe |
| 08:41.37 | freemangordon | well, not exactly controll, there will be a couple of sensors connected to tha |
| 08:41.48 | freemangordon | *that |
| 08:41.55 | jon_y | missile guidance? |
| 08:41.59 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 08:42.19 | jon_y | I'd be really happy with a $50 UAV |
| 08:42.25 | freemangordon | naah, something like an alarms system |
| 08:42.31 | freemangordon | ~UAV |
| 08:42.42 | jon_y | unmanned ariel vehicle |
| 08:42.49 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 08:42.56 | jon_y | that predator drone, but smaller |
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| 08:43.16 | jon_y | loiter about for 10 minutes would be pretty cool |
| 08:43.44 | jon_y | freemangordon: going to stick a 3G modem and send you an SMS too if it finds something wrong? |
| 08:44.03 | freemangordon | maybe |
| 08:44.43 | freemangordon | the good news is that I will play with it as a part of the job I do for my company ;) |
| 08:44.53 | jon_y | nice |
| 08:44.54 | deepy | Lucky! |
| 08:45.17 | freemangordon | well, not exactly lucky, as it was me to propose rpi |
| 08:45.18 | jon_y | I have a rpi too, but it's sitting in a drawer until I can get some HDMI monitors |
| 08:45.27 | jon_y | too lazy to setup bootp |
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| 08:45.49 | freemangordon | naah, no monitors, no network, just GPIO and kernel/libc on a bare metal |
| 08:46.09 | deepy | freemangordon: could still be someone else who gets to do it |
| 08:46.09 | jon_y | how does the rpi boot up anyway? it's own uboot? |
| 08:46.26 | freemangordon | deepy: no |
| 08:46.36 | deepy | Alright let me rephrase then |
| 08:46.40 | deepy | You could be working in a callcenter |
| 08:46.52 | freemangordon | after all I am the principal SW engineer here :D |
| 08:47.00 | jon_y | callcenter now run by rpis |
| 08:47.13 | jon_y | script reading can fit in 256MB ram :) |
| 08:47.36 | freemangordon | deepy: seems I missed your point |
| 08:48.00 | deepy | Lucky as in, you get to do fun stuff! |
| 08:48.08 | freemangordon | hopefully |
| 08:48.17 | jon_y | I'm stuck doing un-OOP java |
| 08:48.19 | freemangordon | aah, yeah, got it |
| 08:48.37 | freemangordon | jon_y: JAVA? poor you :( |
| 08:49.00 | jon_y | as much claim as it has to being OOP, it can be just as much in the opposite way |
| 08:49.07 | jon_y | by misusing oop |
| 08:49.34 | jon_y | yeah, you need to check the underlying class type to use the interface, that kind of retard |
| 08:50.01 | deepy | I knew a guy who was really into C, he liked to call Object-Oriented Programmers for OOPs |
| 08:50.20 | jon_y | java, like C++ is pretty tame, if used properly |
| 08:50.26 | jon_y | yeah, I prefer plain C too |
| 08:50.35 | deepy | I wouldn't know, I suck at C. But I can do Python |
| 08:50.53 | jon_y | I do perl too, beautiful language if used right |
| 08:51.23 | jon_y | sort of the glue code for in-between application linkages |
| 08:51.52 | jon_y | wanted to pick up python, but couldn't find a use for it at work |
| 08:51.53 | deepy | I've seen perl, I don't think you can call it beautiful |
| 08:51.59 | deepy | web development! |
| 08:52.06 | jon_y | deepy: is it easy to write C extensions for python? |
| 08:52.13 | deepy | err, in a way, yes |
| 08:52.26 | deepy | swig and cython are the best ways I hear |
| 08:52.39 | jon_y | java has javah, produce C headers for java classes |
| 08:52.46 | deepy | But I heard it's really easy to screw up the C part and then you'll have segfaulting code |
| 08:52.54 | jon_y | perl has xs |
| 08:53.01 | jon_y | yep, all of them have the same issue |
| 08:53.05 | deepy | Never really understood if that was a problem with C, Python, Cython or the programmer |
| 08:53.18 | jon_y | so, as a C programmer, you have the responsibility |
| 08:53.25 | jon_y | all the weight and power of it |
| 08:53.52 | jon_y | what does python use to generate stubs? |
| 08:54.06 | deepy | stubs? |
| 08:54.11 | jon_y | or are you supposed to use the python headers and write from there? |
| 08:55.08 | jon_y | in java, you could tell it that some methods are supposed to come from the C JNI extensions |
| 08:55.20 | deepy | I'm not entirely sure, but I think there might be the possibility that Cython or SWIG comes with a tool |
| 08:55.25 | jon_y | so it generates some stub headers, you use those headers to implement your functions |
| 08:55.37 | jon_y | I was wondering if python has something like that |
| 08:55.48 | jon_y | Cython or CPython? |
| 08:55.54 | deepy | Cython |
| 08:56.02 | jon_y | never heard of Cython |
| 08:56.26 | deepy | I think SWIG might go the stubs approach |
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| 08:56.51 | jon_y | hmm, not sure about swig |
| 08:56.58 | deepy | http://www.swig.org/Doc2.0/SWIGDocumentation.html#SWIG_nn2 |
| 08:57.26 | deepy | http://www.cython.org/ :: Cython C-Extensions for Python |
| 08:58.02 | jon_y | I guess it isn't too different from perl xs http://docs.cython.org/src/tutorial/clibraries.html |
| 08:58.13 | jon_y | perl xs2h tool |
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| 09:06.59 | deepy | I wish I could contribute more to the conversation, but I relaly have no knowledge of C :D |
| 09:07.06 | deepy | or perl, apart from the fact that knowing perl can secure a job |
| 09:13.25 | jon_y | I did php too, I won't say it's a a very elegant language |
| 09:13.41 | jon_y | maybe it was the crappy code base I had to pick up |
| 09:15.51 | jon_y | deepy: if you do pick up C, promise to avoid using an IDE |
| 09:16.07 | jon_y | use vi/notepad and the compiler directly |
| 09:16.31 | jon_y | helps you learn how the whole code links together into the running system |
| 09:17.12 | jon_y | also, look up "Linkers and Loaders" in google, primer to understanding running code in an OS environment |
| 09:17.53 | deepy | avoidin IDE :e? |
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| 09:18.53 | jon_y | deepy: avoid using a GUI programming like eclipse or MSVC |
| 09:19.19 | jon_y | use the tools directly, avoid all the junk obscuring your view |
| 09:19.37 | jon_y | or getting locked into a particular IDE |
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| 11:28.28 | Raimu | http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221 |
| 11:29.24 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 11:29.43 | SpeedEvil | does the pi GPU exist in other devices? |
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| 14:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: is this a general advice, or only applicable for *learning* c? |
| 14:20.31 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: I can't say for other languages |
| 14:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: tbh I even appreciate syntax highlighting for shellscript in e.g. kate or mcedit |
| 14:20.45 | jon_y | for C/C++, it's definitely applicable |
| 14:21.17 | jon_y | well, point is, get rid of the IDE doing all the compiler config, syntax highlighting is fine |
| 14:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I'm not asking abiut which language, but if this advice is meant for experienced programmers as well |
| 14:21.30 | jon_y | call the compiler yourself, write a makefile or a buildscript |
| 14:21.40 | jon_y | get familiar with the tools that you use |
| 14:22.05 | jon_y | once you get the underlying layers, feel free to use an IDE if it improves your performance |
| 14:22.19 | jon_y | the important part is laerning what the tools actually do |
| 14:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think a proper IDE, esp editor with auto-completion, ctags, compile-error feedback to source etc can increase my productivity by factor 2 .. 10 |
| 14:22.32 | jon_y | before treating everything as a blackbox |
| 14:22.54 | jon_y | well, when starting, be sure to learn about your tools |
| 14:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, 100% ACK |
| 14:23.52 | jon_y | I find it painful to lurk on programming forums or mailing list where newbies keep asking about setting up their favorite IDEs to workaround some compile error that their getting |
| 14:24.08 | jon_y | they don't even understand the error in the first place |
| 14:24.17 | jon_y | or how to fix it |
| 14:24.33 | jon_y | espeicially linker errors |
| 14:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:25.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm even more radical in that regard, suggesting people start to learn about what's programming by coding in assembler |
| 14:25.42 | jon_y | things like learning to use readelf, nm, c++filt can save you a lot of troubles |
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| 14:25.57 | jon_y | yeah, I'm fine with starting with asm :) |
| 14:26.15 | jon_y | actually started with C and made his way downwards to the hardware |
| 14:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | once you know how the processor works, you appreciate what the compiler can do for you, and you never will abuse it |
| 14:26.47 | jon_y | now does java, perl, php, C, C++ |
| 14:27.28 | jon_y | yup, getting the basics right can save you from years of unlearning |
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| 14:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen C++ programs (texteditor) where each single character been a c++ object |
| 14:27.50 | jon_y | wat. |
| 14:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | figuer efficentcy of such concept! :-/ |
| 14:28.30 | jon_y | luckily I didn't have much to unlearn Java when somebody recommended I start with Eclipse |
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| 14:28.48 | jon_y | quickly looked up the tools to understand the class loader error messages |
| 14:29.14 | jon_y | it kind of gets mysterious when IDE builds fine, but get an error running |
| 14:29.36 | jon_y | especially one as cryptic as telling you X class can't be loaded |
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| 14:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: check out Qt3 textedit box for richtext. iirc it needs factor 1000 of RAM for opening any size of plain ascii text. Fun bit: on *closing* the textedit box, this even *doubles* |
| 14:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I've seen this in twinklephone, on function "show logfile" |
| 14:36.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it's only been factor 100, but anyway - insane |
| 14:36.47 | jon_y | double?? |
| 14:37.02 | jon_y | crazy stuff |
| 14:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually closing the display allocated same amount of RAM *again* |
| 14:37.36 | jon_y | why did it do something like that? |
| 14:37.51 | jon_y | really bad memleak? |
| 14:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects destructors of all objects got called and thus something cracy happened |
| 14:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | crazy* |
| 14:38.31 | jon_y | should be freeing in destructors, not allocating |
| 14:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | blame Qt3 |
| 14:39.54 | jon_y | I try to be very conservative with C++ |
| 14:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I argued long time with chief developer Michel deBoer of twinklephone, about replacing that crap by a system("less") call, but he refused to touch that code, argument "less is not posix, thus not available on some of the target platforms" |
| 14:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (long story short) |
| 14:42.36 | jon_y | how about letting $PAGER do it, if not, just dump out everything to stdout |
| 14:43.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | twinklephone is a Qt GUI app |
| 14:43.03 | jon_y | maybe I don't want any paging |
| 14:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | "show logfile" been a auxilary function under extras menu in that GUI |
| 14:44.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | noboy usually would use it |
| 14:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody* |
| 14:44.43 | jon_y | its supposed to put it into a textedit box? |
| 14:44.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | install twinklephone and test it ;-) |
| 14:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:46.34 | jon_y | doesn't QT have a decent textedit box with scrollers attached? |
| 14:46.42 | jon_y | maybe qt3 doesn't |
| 14:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I guess that's exactly the one twinklephone used |
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| 14:48.43 | jon_y | I've done wxwidgets and SWT, I don't think QT is that stupid |
| 14:49.04 | jon_y | I mean just some scroller and textbox shouldn't be doubling memory |
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| 14:50.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | doubling? the doubling happened on close, on top of an already kicking factor of 50, 100, or 1000 (can't recall anymore - probably it's been too insane to keep details in memory) |
| 14:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E for opening 100k of logfile text, Qt allocated let's say 5MB of RAM |
| 14:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 50 |
| 14:51.37 | jon_y | I can't imagine a scrollable text box doing that unless something went crazy wrong |
| 14:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I checked it |
| 14:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I found it and discussed it and Michel and others confirmed it |
| 14:52.35 | jon_y | be avoiding qt3 |
| 14:52.58 | jon_y | valgrind better be talking |
| 14:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | twinklephone still available for installation on virtually all common distro repositories |
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| 14:54.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | will need qt3 libs but so what |
| 14:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're able to reproduce my findings in less than 10 minutes |
| 14:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I honestly don't think that's particularly twinklephone specific problem, I'm quite sure it's genuine Qt3 textedit box problem |
| 14:59.23 | jon_y | I sure hope with all that newfangledness in QT4 and C++11 fixes it |
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| 15:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they stop implementig each isngle char as a RTF object, I'm sure it will improve ;-P (only handwaving) |
| 15:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/RTF/rich text/ |
| 15:05.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, what else could explain the need of way beyond 10bytes of RAM to store one byte (or even word) of char? |
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| 15:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/998 |
| 15:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> It seems for 1Meg of log text, there may be more than 40Meg(!) of ram eaten up<< |
| 15:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> jr@msupdate:~/.twinkle> #now "delete"ing log view (button) --- r@msupdate:~/.twinkle> #this _increased_ mem-usage by another 10Mb !!! edit-history of QT textedit? 1MB of log := 40MB VSZ. try with 25MB logfile ;-) << |
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| 15:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've been incorrect though on my prevous claims: it's not allocating double RAM size on closing, but rather on deleting the log |
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| 15:34.56 | vi_ | vim. |
| 15:34.59 | vi_ | That is all. |
| 15:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | that is just a tad off-topic though |
| 15:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not short on proper cmdline tools to display content of a textfile |
| 15:36.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | this however is about idiocy in Qt eating 40 bytes of ram per byte of text to display in textedit widget |
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| 15:41.30 | vi_ | I was responding to your desire for an IDE. |
| 15:42.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
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| 16:05.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how do i make qt behave? |
| 16:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 16:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably depends on your requirements aka definition of 2behave" |
| 16:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | "behave" |
| 16:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders why - since lenovo T500 - the shift key seems to not behave more often than not |
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| 16:50.44 | freemangordon | vi_: ping |
| 17:01.21 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: freeing compressed memory pool on circular basis fixes the trashing |
| 17:07.19 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
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| 17:47.14 | freemangordon | vi__: hi |
| 17:47.34 | freemangordon | i have some POC ramzswap for you :) |
| 17:48.14 | freemangordon | here http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=cbd27e2587 |
| 17:49.07 | freemangordon | use "/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-cssu3/ramzswap.ko memlimit_kb=16000 backing_swap=/dev/$your_swap_device" |
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| 17:49.36 | freemangordon | and have in mind that it is not intended to be used more than lets say 10 minutes :D |
| 17:50.05 | kerio | freemangordon: does the backing swap have to be exclusive? |
| 17:50.26 | kerio | freemangordon: also, do you have to enable the swap somehow? |
| 17:50.51 | freemangordon | vi__: as once you run out of continious (256k in size) blocks on the BSWAP device you are doomed, no defragmentation so far |
| 17:51.04 | freemangordon | kerio: exclusive? |
| 17:51.19 | freemangordon | swapon is your friend |
| 17:51.36 | kerio | freemangordon: can (or must) the backing device be enabled for normal swap too? |
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| 17:51.59 | freemangordon | kerio: of course no |
| 17:52.00 | kerio | swapon what? /dev/ramzswap0 or something? |
| 17:52.18 | freemangordon | swapon /dev/ramzswap0 |
| 17:52.26 | kerio | i see |
| 17:52.39 | freemangordon | vi__: have in mind that module is for the thumb mernel |
| 17:52.39 | kerio | so it's to be used as the single swap device |
| 17:52.43 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:52.50 | freemangordon | single? |
| 17:53.01 | freemangordon | no, you can add as much swap devices as you wish |
| 17:53.04 | kerio | i see |
| 17:53.15 | freemangordon | but it makes no sense |
| 17:53.23 | kerio | do you get the full-ish size of the backing swap partition with your module? |
| 17:53.43 | freemangordon | yes. minus 1 eraseblock |
| 17:53.54 | kerio | wtf is an eraseblock? |
| 17:54.12 | freemangordon | the block you write at once |
| 17:54.27 | kerio | i see |
| 17:54.34 | freemangordon | i.e. 128*4096 in that particular case |
| 17:54.40 | kerio | i bet NAND swap would be really fast :3 |
| 17:55.13 | freemangordon | unfortunately we don;t have enough free NAND to use it for swap |
| 17:55.23 | kerio | sure we do |
| 17:55.35 | kerio | install fremantle on the eMMC |
| 17:55.38 | freemangordon | well, it is occupied by rootfs |
| 17:56.14 | freemangordon | anyway, I am going AFK for some half an hour, bbl |
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| 18:10.54 | vi__ | rading backscroll |
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| 18:14.41 | kerio | vi__: qt doesn't follow the keyboard settings :c |
| 18:15.22 | vi__ | qt? |
| 18:16.23 | kerio | qt! |
| 18:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite terrifying |
| 18:22.41 | vi__ | insmod in t-minus 15s |
| 18:25.05 | freemangordon | hehe |
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| 18:29.51 | vi__ | crash! |
| 18:30.14 | kerio | yay! |
| 18:32.31 | freemangordon | I hope he does not insmod fro the startup scripts |
| 18:34.20 | freemangordon | for some reason sometimes ramzswap.ko is not copied ok via ssh, such crashes happen sometimes here too, I need to copy the module again :( |
| 18:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | copy? |
| 18:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah Ssh |
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| 18:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka scp |
| 18:39.25 | vi__ | well. |
| 18:39.31 | vi__ | that didnt work. |
| 18:39.44 | vi__ | crashed so hard I had to tug the battery. |
| 18:39.52 | freemangordon | vi__: donload the file again |
| 18:39.58 | freemangordon | *download |
| 18:40.13 | vi__ | the file is fine. |
| 18:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | not before doing a move to save away the old one, to compare |
| 18:40.27 | freemangordon | hmm, that should not happen |
| 18:40.27 | vi__ | module inserts fine |
| 18:40.31 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 18:40.35 | freemangordon | but? |
| 18:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, it crashes? |
| 18:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka PANIC |
| 18:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | or OOPS |
| 18:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | or harder |
| 18:41.16 | freemangordon | seems no, lets wat vi__ to explain |
| 18:41.18 | vi__ | I activate ramz with backingswap on sd card with a higher priority than the emmc. |
| 18:41.26 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:41.41 | vi__ | then it grinds to a halt. |
| 18:41.49 | freemangordon | how big is the partition? |
| 18:41.49 | vi__ | had to pull the battery. |
| 18:42.07 | vi__ | freemangordon: ~600mb |
| 18:42.14 | freemangordon | that's fine |
| 18:42.29 | freemangordon | vi__: that should not happen (tm) |
| 18:42.50 | freemangordon | anything in syslog? |
| 18:43.22 | freemangordon | you should see something like "ramzswap: ramzswap_schedule_write queue[128]" |
| 18:43.47 | freemangordon | there are some more debug messages |
| 18:44.23 | vi__ | I dont have syslog installed. |
| 18:44.38 | freemangordon | was the device freshly booted? |
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| 18:44.49 | vi__ | freemangordon: yes. |
| 18:44.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing remote syslog is a nice idea |
| 18:45.22 | freemangordon | vi__: did you mess /proc/sys/vm/... settings? |
| 18:45.27 | freemangordon | *mess with |
| 18:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I found that incredibly helpful occasionally |
| 18:45.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: remote syslog? :o |
| 18:45.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | log to remoteloghost:513 |
| 18:46.09 | kerio | oic |
| 18:47.29 | freemangordon | vi__: try the opposite, i.e. swapon $sdcard_swap, swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 |
| 18:47.44 | freemangordon | and use /dev/mmcblk1p3 as backingswap |
| 18:47.48 | freemangordon | oops |
| 18:47.56 | freemangordon | mmcblk0p3 :) |
| 18:47.59 | kerio | freemangordon: why would that change things |
| 18:48.26 | freemangordon | maybe his SD card is too slow |
| 18:48.36 | freemangordon | or swap partition is badly aligned |
| 18:48.39 | freemangordon | or... |
| 18:50.57 | vi__ | it is a class 4 32gb sandisk. |
| 18:51.12 | vi__ | I mess with the vm settings all the time |
| 18:54.21 | freemangordon | vi__: try to use eMMC swap |
| 18:54.36 | freemangordon | as backingswap device |
| 18:56.49 | kerio | freemangordon: why? |
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| 18:58.27 | vi__ | I cannot insmod ramzswap with swap already on sd. |
| 18:58.43 | vi__ | it causes an insta-crash |
| 18:58.59 | vi__ | it has always been like that, even with the old one. |
| 18:59.26 | freemangordon | vi__: something is wrong with that module you have, let me reupload it |
| 19:04.20 | freemangordon | vi__: http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/ramzswap/ |
| 19:05.25 | kerio | freemangordon: this is for the cssu kernel only? |
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| 19:07.54 | freemangordon | kerio: yes, I think I already told that |
| 19:08.05 | freemangordon | vi__: the module is for kernel-cssu3 |
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| 19:11.30 | akls2 | community ssu installation failed because internet connection was lost. how can I continue it? |
| 19:12.28 | _Lena | Hello, can someone help me whith the BME / OTG stuff of the n900 ? |
| 19:12.53 | kerio | with the what now? |
| 19:12.57 | kerio | akls2: run the update from HAM |
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| 19:13.04 | akls2 | kerio, |
| 19:13.06 | kerio | (Application Manager) |
| 19:13.07 | akls2 | kerio, oh! thanks |
| 19:13.16 | akls2 | ye-ye, I know :D |
| 19:13.28 | kerio | akls2: what the enabler does is set things up so that HAM can install CSSU properly |
| 19:13.39 | kerio | after you ran the enabler once, you just need to do the system upgrade from HAM |
| 19:13.45 | akls2 | kerio, apt-get upgrade is going to work too? |
| 19:13.47 | kerio | _Lena: install h-e-n |
| 19:13.51 | kerio | akls2: use HAM |
| 19:13.59 | akls2 | ok |
| 19:14.11 | _Lena | yes i did that allready and i had a keyboard working |
| 19:14.22 | _Lena | but now it is not charging any more |
| 19:14.30 | kerio | akls2: if you need to ask if you can use apt-get, you can't use it |
| 19:14.35 | _Lena | i did a coldflash and no change |
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| 19:14.53 | kerio | _Lena: ...woah |
| 19:15.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: *poke* |
| 19:16.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | shhhh! |
| 19:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: coldflash is *deprecated* |
| 19:19.01 | kerio | _Lena: coldflash is mostly useless |
| 19:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: ...since virtually nobody has an idea why (s)he would need it, due to knowledge about what coldflash actually does is not really widespread |
| 19:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | further: h-e-n doesn't impair normal battery charging |
| 19:19.46 | _Lena | i Thought it was overwriting the coontnt of the nand |
| 19:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: actually it's not exactly doing that |
| 19:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | coldflash is needed *only* when NOLO doesn't show up on power-up |
| 19:20.47 | _Lena | does it reset the register of the bq* chip |
| 19:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO is the bootloader that shows the dim NOKIA screen |
| 19:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 19:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing is resetting bq* registers |
| 19:21.46 | _Lena | ups, i got confused whithe the term "coldflash" i think.... |
| 19:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | )except removing battery, or bme or h-e-n explicitly resetting them) |
| 19:22.13 | kerio | coldflashing is basically just a way to restore NOLO if you blew it up |
| 19:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-24 21:20:40] <DocScrutinizer05> coldflash is needed *only* when NOLO doesn't show up on power-up |
| 19:22.49 | _Lena | i was using the flasher program and started whith the u-key pressed, thats what i did, everything went fine |
| 19:23.36 | _Lena | i was using the flasher program and started whith the u-key pressed, thats what i did, everything went fine |
| 19:23.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but if you followed instructions for coldflashing, you probably didn't do anything useful at all |
| 19:24.05 | _Lena | yes it was not changing anything |
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| 19:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | if holding u-key actually results in something, you already are beyond the point where coldflash will do something you'd need |
| 19:25.12 | _Lena | now after playing whith diferent sofwarreinstallations i cant even uns the U-key any more |
| 19:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect KP52 might load the bq24150.ko kernel module and thus break bme |
| 19:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: please stop messing around with flashing and whatnot on a basis of "let's see what this does", rather come here & tell your problem & ask what's next to do |
| 19:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's start with you telling us what's current status of your N900 |
| 19:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | what happens when you power it up? |
| 19:28.12 | _Lena | ok, it is starting and working ok, but not charging and conecting to the pc over usb |
| 19:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 19:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so basically your whole maemo system works, except the USB stuff |
| 19:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | right? |
| 19:28.48 | _Lena | yes |
| 19:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:29.37 | _Lena | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | please provide output of following commands here (paste directly if it's only one or 2 relevant line, use web pastebin otherwise and paste the URL here) |
| 19:29.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | uname -a |
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| 19:30.47 | _Lena | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-bfs10 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jan 4 22:28:20 EET 2012 armv7l u |
| 19:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 19:32.21 | kerio | ...WAT |
| 19:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | brainfuck scheduler |
| 19:32.59 | kerio | i know |
| 19:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | bfs |
| 19:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | wrong kernel |
| 19:33.16 | kerio | but i thought the -bfs kernel for n900 was like an ancient version of KP |
| 19:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: will a simple installation of latest KP 'fix' this ? |
| 19:34.48 | kerio | id |
| 19:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | (nfc about bfs kernel) |
| 19:34.49 | kerio | k |
| 19:34.54 | kerio | i think it's a separate version |
| 19:34.59 | kerio | i mean, a separate package |
| 19:35.00 | _Lena | whith is the best version for getting the charging work, even whithout otg would be ok, its not that important |
| 19:35.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: tbh it shouldn't affect the charging |
| 19:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nfc about that brainfuckscheduler kernel |
| 19:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: I suggest you reflash to proper stock maemo PR1.3, to get a clean start (unless you got so much nifty config in this system that it's actually worth the effort to 'fix' stuff rather than simply restroing the standard packages after reflash) |
| 19:38.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. do a backup with builtin maemo backuptool, then reflash, then restore your apps if really needed, but make sure to uncheck any kernel related stuff from the list of apps to restore |
| 19:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash means: do a normal flashing of COMBINED aka rootfs, as in |
| 19:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash |
| 19:39.10 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:39.46 | _Lena | how do i flash whithout USB ? |
| 19:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | after that you may install h-e-n (and powerkernel-52 during that) |
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| 19:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: your USB is fine for flashing |
| 19:40.25 | _Lena | no |
| 19:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ??? |
| 19:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | please elaborate |
| 19:41.21 | _Lena | not even showing detecting a pc or the pc detecting the n900 |
| 19:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
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| 19:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you follow instructions on |
| 19:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash |
| 19:41.57 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and everything will work |
| 19:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | if not, you come here and tell us what's the detailed problem, please don't anticipate or conclude problems which don't exist based on assumptions about how things work |
| 19:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing doesn' |
| 19:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | t |
| 19:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | need kernel or system support for USB |
| 19:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not even starting kernel (for COMBINED flashing) |
| 19:44.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: faulty USB port? |
| 19:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 19:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | bfs kernel and fsckdup usb drivers |
| 19:45.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what happens when you flash vanilla? |
| 19:45.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the kernel is booted? |
| 19:45.22 | _Lena | i cant find the way to flash whithout usb :( |
| 19:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what always happens when "rootfs messed up" |
| 19:45.29 | kerio | is there a check in preinit for that? |
| 19:45.40 | kerio | _Lena: you were able to coldflash, for fuck's sake |
| 19:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: FFS you got a USB receptacle |
| 19:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody instructed you to assume you don't use it |
| 19:46.17 | _Lena | ok to explain the situation.... |
| 19:46.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought you already *did* |
| 19:47.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: seems his device is not recognised by the PC |
| 19:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 19:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | missing usb drivers for bfs kernel |
| 19:47.39 | kerio | freemangordon: huh... a coldflash was apparently successful |
| 19:48.01 | freemangordon | kerio: judging by? |
| 19:48.08 | kerio | freemangordon: judging by what _Lena said |
| 19:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: he simply needs a proper flash to restore to a working kernel, nuttin more |
| 19:48.19 | _Lena | i realliized that sometimes after a few days whithout the battery i was able to flashh the n900 (whith U-Key) but not always ! latley i am not able at all to start whith usb |
| 19:48.20 | freemangordon | yeah, ok |
| 19:48.57 | _Lena | I swapt the small backup Battery, no change |
| 19:49.08 | freemangordon | That seems to me like USB port failure creeping |
| 19:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you did WHAT? |
| 19:49.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: breathe man |
| 19:49.40 | freemangordon | a smaller capacity battery |
| 19:49.54 | freemangordon | (I hope :D ) |
| 19:49.57 | _Lena | also i check whith a multimeter the conectivity from the usb coonector to th usb-test-pads on the boarrd, also ok |
| 19:50.38 | freemangordon | _Lena: what USB cable do you use? Did you try to use different port on your PC? |
| 19:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | swap of bupbat not fixing *anything* regarding flashing |
| 19:51.24 | _Lena | now if i use the H-E-N, i can suply the external device whith 5v....that means the usbport off the phone scold be ok to, right ? |
| 19:51.37 | freemangordon | right |
| 19:51.53 | freemangordon | so, your USB seems pretty ok |
| 19:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what's that nonsense about "flashing without USB" then? |
| 19:52.14 | _Lena | i am 98% shure it is nothing physical |
| 19:52.18 | freemangordon | now, try the following: |
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| 19:52.23 | freemangordon | remove the battery |
| 19:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 2 min |
| 19:52.39 | freemangordon | connect USB cable to both n900 and PC |
| 19:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though he swapped bupbat :-S ) |
| 19:52.56 | _Lena | i could flash it before ! soometimes it was working |
| 19:53.04 | freemangordon | open the keyboard and press'n'hold "u" |
| 19:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 19:53.35 | freemangordon | put the battery back, while still holding 'u' pressed and wat for lets say 30 seconds |
| 19:53.42 | freemangordon | s/wat/wait/ |
| 19:53.59 | freemangordon | your n900 should be detected by your PC |
| 19:54.08 | _Lena | i know the procedure, but it is not working any more |
| 19:54.09 | freemangordon | BTW what OS do you use? |
| 19:54.28 | _Lena | ubuntu 12.04 |
| 19:54.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: and pretty please don't start thinking and interpreting what we tell you, we mean exactly what we say |
| 19:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there's no info we forgot to consider |
| 19:55.08 | freemangordon | _Lena: try what I told you |
| 19:55.27 | freemangordon | and try that using several different ports on your PC |
| 19:55.42 | _Lena | english is not may native language, may i amm a little lazy to explain everrything detailed |
| 19:55.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | we actually don't need explanations |
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| 19:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we talk you thru the process, asking for any info we need |
| 19:56.19 | _Lena | i did try diferent ports, and diferent op systems annd diferennt pc also ! |
| 19:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | irrelevant |
| 19:56.30 | freemangordon | what about the cable? |
| 19:57.02 | _Lena | ok, so how can i get the phone back to respond too my usb while pressinh u on powerup ? |
| 19:57.17 | freemangordon | _Lena: ^^^ |
| 19:57.19 | _Lena | y testet 2 diferent cabels, whithout change |
| 19:57.43 | freemangordon | do what I told you |
| 19:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: please first do battery-test: device shut down, hold 'u', then plug in fastcharger |
| 19:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | verify that usb icon shows up on upper right of NOKIa screen and STAYS |
| 19:58.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: have in mind that usb sign stays only for about 10 seconds when connected to a charger |
| 19:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 19:59.12 | freemangordon | at least here |
| 19:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | then your battery is empty |
| 19:59.25 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 19:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't flash like that |
| 20:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why it's called battery test |
| 20:00.10 | freemangordon | ok, I am wrong |
| 20:00.14 | freemangordon | it stays |
| 20:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | tldya |
| 20:00.29 | freemangordon | :) |
| 20:01.13 | _Lena | conecting charger... pone vibrates, display shows the "NOKIA" buut whithout backliight an whithout the usb.symbel in the top right corner, and reboots every 15 or 20 seconds |
| 20:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: will you confirm that your battery test worked? or does the USB icon vanish after 10s |
| 20:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 20:01.45 | freemangordon | hmm, NOLO? |
| 20:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that is either a fsckdup NOLO by your coldflash, or a broken USB |
| 20:02.02 | _Lena | it in a loop, but only wher it starts whith a charger conected |
| 20:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or defect hardware genetrally |
| 20:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, wait |
| 20:02.44 | freemangordon | _Lena: where did you get your HW version from when you did the coldflash? |
| 20:02.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: flat battery? |
| 20:02.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably weak battery plus messed up rootfs - fits perfectly |
| 20:03.08 | _Lena | i am not shure if i did a "coldflash" i did flash the vanilla and combind, is this calld coldflash ? |
| 20:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: indeed |
| 20:03.18 | freemangordon | _Lena: no |
| 20:03.32 | freemangordon | this is just a normal flash |
| 20:03.53 | freemangordon | _Lena: do you have charged battery? |
| 20:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: your problem is flatbat vicious circle |
| 20:04.05 | _Lena | no, i got an external charger, also i swapped the battery whith an nokia 5800, batery woorks |
| 20:04.38 | freemangordon | _Lena: what now, do you have charged battery or you don;t have one? |
| 20:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the symptoms are exactly like battery too flat for flashing |
| 20:04.49 | freemangordon | too flat for booting too |
| 20:05.08 | _Lena | i know, but if i disconect the charger, the phone boots up and works for hours !! |
| 20:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter |
| 20:05.22 | _Lena | so i cant be the batt |
| 20:05.24 | kerio | is this an original battery? |
| 20:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | battery needs some 80+% for flashing |
| 20:05.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but it should not enter a reboot loop |
| 20:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | phone only needs 1% fpor booting |
| 20:06.05 | _Lena | no, but i tryed an original, and the same, not working |
| 20:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: he messed up his rootfs |
| 20:06.12 | freemangordon | I know |
| 20:06.35 | freemangordon | but nevertheless NOLO should work |
| 20:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it does |
| 20:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | detects 'flat' bat, boots to linux, and there stuff crashes |
| 20:07.15 | kerio | _Lena: can you *boot*? |
| 20:07.20 | freemangordon | hmm, I missed the part with messed rootfs, what is that supposed to mean. |
| 20:07.24 | freemangordon | kerio: yes |
| 20:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me why it boots without charger connected |
| 20:07.30 | kerio | boot, charge |
| 20:07.38 | freemangordon | only boot |
| 20:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess bme freaks out when trying to charge |
| 20:07.43 | freemangordon | no chagrfe |
| 20:07.44 | *** join/#maemo hardaker (~hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 20:08.11 | _Lena | yes, the phone works for hours whithout prroblems, until the battery is flat |
| 20:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't mean a thing |
| 20:08.54 | freemangordon | hmm, he can flash stock kernel from within maemo and try again |
| 20:09.05 | _Lena | i guess something went wrong whith that bme part |
| 20:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless NOLO stays on NOKIA screen with USB icon upper right, your battery is too flat |
| 20:09.43 | *** join/#maemo _rd (~rd@p57B4929F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | for reflashing it, you need a properly charged battery |
| 20:09.45 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: could it be that only part of NOLO is broken? |
| 20:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | once you pass the battery test, we'll see what's next |
| 20:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: could, but highly unlikely |
| 20:10.14 | freemangordon | IIRC it is not signed |
| 20:10.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it makes no sense otherwise |
| 20:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and he actually did no coldflash it seems, so why would nolo be broken ;-) |
| 20:10.50 | freemangordon | _Lena: what did ou do to screw up your rootfs? |
| 20:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | he flashed bfs kernel |
| 20:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 20:11.15 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: echo "hello world" > /dev/mtd1 |
| 20:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I recommend proper reflash |
| 20:11.31 | freemangordon | (or whatever the mtd num was) |
| 20:11.36 | _Lena | i think it was the h-e--n installation |
| 20:11.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 20:11.46 | _Lena | thats when theprobllems started |
| 20:11.51 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: kernel can be flashed from within Maemo |
| 20:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's when they became obvious |
| 20:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: so what? |
| 20:12.33 | freemangordon | we can rule out BFS drivers |
| 20:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to talk him thru recovery on live system |
| 20:12.41 | freemangordon | like bqxxx and such |
| 20:12.45 | vi__ | sorry, was at food. |
| 20:12.59 | vi__ | also ~flash |
| 20:13.08 | vi__ | also ~flashing |
| 20:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll not engage on that mission, too tedious |
| 20:13.18 | freemangordon | _Lena: boot to maemo and do: |
| 20:13.44 | freemangordon | apt-get install --reinstall kernel-modules kernel kernel-flasher |
| 20:13.59 | _Lena | in the past , once i could flash vanilla an combined aswell, but this "normal" flash was not changing anything |
| 20:14.08 | _Lena | ok |
| 20:14.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: was that the correct order? |
| 20:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 20:14.28 | freemangordon | _Lena: hope you have youe data backed up |
| 20:14.35 | freemangordon | *your |
| 20:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | issue 3 times, and all will be fine ;-D |
| 20:14.42 | freemangordon | vi__: you reflashed? |
| 20:14.52 | _Lena | uff, i cant remember the order |
| 20:14.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :D |
| 20:15.00 | freemangordon | try mine |
| 20:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves |
| 20:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | -->dinner |
| 20:15.31 | vi__ | freemangordon: that second module has the same md5 as the first. |
| 20:15.45 | freemangordon | vi__: what is wrong with your device ?!? |
| 20:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: good luck, listen to freemangordon, he's a competent person |
| 20:16.01 | _Lena | i did a backup already |
| 20:16.17 | _Lena | ok |
| 20:16.28 | freemangordon | vi__: no way doing swapon should lead to insta-reboot |
| 20:16.31 | vi__ | freemangordon: I do not know. It has ALWAYS insta-crashed on insmod ramzswap if the swap is not on emmc. |
| 20:16.44 | vi__ | for every version of CC ever. |
| 20:16.45 | freemangordon | the fuck? |
| 20:17.00 | vi__ | I will have a 'new' n900 tomorrow. |
| 20:17.13 | vi__ | I will load it up with thumb. |
| 20:17.16 | freemangordon | vi__: any chance to revert to stock settings for /proc/sys/vm/... stuff? |
| 20:17.21 | vi__ | and try on it. |
| 20:17.28 | freemangordon | vi__: ok |
| 20:18.16 | vi__ | I will not add any half assed, unfinished, built on shell scripts crazy shit that my current deviced is. |
| 20:18.26 | freemangordon | vi__: but install *ONLY* thumb, do not do some fancy stuff like tweaking nr_requests and swappiness and vfs_cache_pressure and... |
| 20:18.33 | vi__ | just strait up thumb. |
| 20:18.38 | freemangordon | yep |
| 20:19.26 | vi__ | I JUST managed to get google calendars to sync with individual calendars on the n900. |
| 20:19.36 | vi__ | I have not made a backup. |
| 20:19.57 | kerio | neat |
| 20:20.02 | kerio | sucks to be you |
| 20:20.14 | vi__ | My heart sank when it tried to recover from pulling the battery and said 'kernel panic: not syncing' |
| 20:20.32 | vi__ | I was like: |
| 20:20.37 | vi__ | nnnnnnooooooooooooo |
| 20:20.38 | *** join/#maemo andre__ (~andre@wikimedia/aklapper) |
| 20:20.47 | *** join/#maemo foo` (~user@cable-static-224-70.teleport.ch) |
| 20:20.52 | freemangordon | vi__: unable to mount rootfs? |
| 20:20.55 | vi__ | hours of kludging syncmlevolution gone! |
| 20:21.22 | vi__ | freemangordon: I switched off, pulled battery then tried again. |
| 20:21.29 | vi__ | it worked. |
| 20:21.32 | kerio | vi__: just rescueos dat shit |
| 20:21.35 | freemangordon | :D |
| 20:21.39 | vi__ | kerio |
| 20:21.44 | vi__ | ke |
| 20:21.52 | vi__ | k |
| 20:21.55 | vi__ | wtf |
| 20:22.40 | vi__ | kerio: I have never used recue OS. I don't know how to use it. |
| 20:22.47 | vi__ | blushes |
| 20:23.14 | kerio | there's a magic ritual you have to do, and at the end you have a shell on the n900 |
| 20:25.01 | sq-one | I'm just copying some files via scp from my n900 to my computer. And reach 160KB/s max. transferrates. Anyone experienced similar speeds? They seem a bit low to me... |
| 20:25.16 | vi__ | do I have to sacrifice a groupware server in the middle of a pentagram built with a token ring ethernet? |
| 20:25.37 | vi__ | sq-one: what OS? |
| 20:25.39 | *** join/#maemo muelli (~muelli@46.59.208.177) |
| 20:25.47 | vi__ | wifi or ethernet? |
| 20:25.48 | sq-one | maemo 5 |
| 20:25.51 | sq-one | wifi |
| 20:25.54 | freemangordon | :D |
| 20:25.55 | vi__ | -_- |
| 20:26.07 | freemangordon | sq-one: and on the other end? |
| 20:26.08 | *** join/#maemo brzys (~quassel@77-92-38-176.cable-modem.tkk.net.pl) |
| 20:26.18 | kerio | sq-one: encryption be hard, yo |
| 20:26.29 | freemangordon | yeah, install -thumb |
| 20:26.39 | kerio | also there are some tweaks you can do to speed up I/O in general |
| 20:26.46 | kerio | installing cssu-thumb is also a good idea |
| 20:26.46 | _Lena | ok, now afterr rebooting an errormessage+ |
| 20:26.50 | sq-one | freemangordon: arch linux on the other end |
| 20:27.04 | vi__ | gah, linux sucks. |
| 20:27.15 | freemangordon | _Lena: "errormessage+"? |
| 20:27.17 | vi__ | this is a BSD channel. |
| 20:27.22 | kerio | vi__: no u |
| 20:27.28 | _Lena | "unexpectted reboot occured, personal kernel settings not loaded" |
| 20:27.37 | freemangordon | _Lena: good |
| 20:27.38 | vi__ | NO YOUR MOTHER NETBSD |
| 20:27.45 | kerio | _Lena: that's good |
| 20:28.01 | vi__ | sq-one: does it max out at 160? does it start fast and go slow? |
| 20:28.02 | kerio | vi__: MY MOTHER IS NOT NETBSD |
| 20:28.21 | freemangordon | _Lena: does charging work? |
| 20:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-DE |
| 20:28.32 | vi__ | your right, a gonad like you was clearly spawned by OS/2 |
| 20:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | -E |
| 20:28.48 | _Lena | no |
| 20:28.59 | vi__ | does it run slow for scp to other devices? |
| 20:29.00 | kerio | _Lena: are you sure the charger is not faulty? |
| 20:29.04 | kerio | and properly plugged in? |
| 20:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sanitize rootfs (etc/ etc) |
| 20:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | start bme |
| 20:29.22 | kerio | _Lena: didn't you say you have an external charger? |
| 20:29.28 | freemangordon | _Lena: check which kernel do you run |
| 20:29.36 | freemangordon | and yes, start bme after that |
| 20:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | uname -a |
| 20:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | also lsmod |
| 20:30.04 | vi__ | wait |
| 20:30.16 | vi__ | fmg what is the uname of thumb kernel? |
| 20:30.28 | freemangordon | kernel-cssu3 |
| 20:30.39 | _Lena | yes, i got one for charging the battery whithout the fone |
| 20:30.43 | *** join/#maemo eijk_ (~eijk@e178225139.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:30.50 | vi__ | not 2.6.28.10-power51? |
| 20:30.57 | freemangordon | deffinitely not |
| 20:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are chargers that stop charging at 1000mA |
| 20:31.03 | vi__ | derp. |
| 20:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even earlier |
| 20:31.33 | kerio | vi__: FUKKEN LOL |
| 20:31.38 | kerio | vi__: you deserved it |
| 20:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1000mAh (the original nokia charger that is) |
| 20:31.59 | freemangordon | _Lena: does your device gets detected if connected to the PC while maemo runs? |
| 20:32.06 | sq-one | cssu-thumb sounds really interesting, is a different between cssu-thumb and a stocke maemo 5 noticable in everyday use? |
| 20:32.20 | sq-one | *difference |
| 20:32.21 | _Lena | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-bfs10 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jan 4 22:28:20 EET 2012 armv7l unknown |
| 20:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 20:32.36 | _Lena | noo, it does noot get detected |
| 20:32.43 | freemangordon | _Lena: seems you did not flash the stock kernel |
| 20:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you rebooted? |
| 20:32.52 | _Lena | yes |
| 20:33.07 | freemangordon | _Lena: anu myltiboot shit around? |
| 20:33.14 | freemangordon | multiboot |
| 20:33.15 | vi__ | sq-one: thumb is just the next stage in n900 evolution. |
| 20:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | your installing kernel kernel-flasher kernel-modules failed |
| 20:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: see why I thought "too tedious"? |
| 20:34.00 | freemangordon | _Lena: do you have multiboot installed? |
| 20:34.13 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I know, but still ... |
| 20:34.14 | _Lena | but how does the kernel afecct the NOLO ? |
| 20:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | not at all |
| 20:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with your NOLO? |
| 20:34.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your NOLO was defect, you'd not even see the dim NOKIA screen |
| 20:35.14 | _Lena | it is not comming up whith the usb-symbel in the top right corner whenn i boot whith the u- Key and usbbcable conected |
| 20:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought you told it does, then after 10s rebotts |
| 20:35.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, faulty bq chip? |
| 20:36.09 | _Lena | that is was i told here at first in the chat |
| 20:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: listen carefully what the helpee is actually saying |
| 20:36.58 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc hostmode (i.e. twl chargepump works), but charging(aka bqxxx) does not |
| 20:37.21 | freemangordon | or was it ISP chargepump. |
| 20:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: oops you're right |
| 20:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you told "without USB in upper right" |
| 20:37.55 | _Lena | ..diid I ? |
| 20:38.02 | _Lena | then sory |
| 20:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: boost and charge are same chip |
| 20:38.30 | freemangordon | hmm, ok |
| 20:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and _Lena told h-e-n supplies VBUS |
| 20:38.58 | freemangordon | _Lena: can you pastebin your dmesg, after connecting the charger |
| 20:39.09 | _Lena | yes it is the same chip and it supplies 5v |
| 20:39.10 | _Lena | ok |
| 20:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still suspect flat battery |
| 20:39.50 | freemangordon | _Lena: and try again to flash the stock kernel |
| 20:40.09 | _Lena | fiirst i disconected my datacabel to my pc : twl4030_usb twl4030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0x50/80; link 1 |
| 20:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and btw NOLO (even when magically borked so it wouldn't allow flashing) will not stop a live system kernel reflashing, nor charging |
| 20:40.47 | _Lena | fiirst i disconected my datacabel to my pc : twl4030_usb twl4030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0x50/80; link 1 |
| 20:41.00 | freemangordon | apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-modules kernel-flasher |
| 20:41.07 | _Lena | then after conecting the original charger : twl4030_usb twl4030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0xd0/208; link 2 |
| 20:41.09 | freemangordon | _Lena: ^^^ |
| 20:41.32 | freemangordon | do that until you see kernel image flashed |
| 20:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: please check if on-device kerenl flashing not also checks for battery level - I seem to cliiudily recall sth like that |
| 20:41.42 | freemangordon | or post whatever error you get |
| 20:41.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: don;t know, lets see |
| 20:42.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: see if you can get proper *real* charge level values from _Lena |
| 20:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw _Lena = she? |
| 20:43.10 | freemangordon | sounds like |
| 20:43.11 | _Lena | yes, female |
| 20:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | (if so then sorry, we're not used to fenale users here ;-D) |
| 20:43.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's what i would've guessed, but i'm not german |
| 20:44.02 | _Lena | i imagine, i am used to that ;) |
| 20:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: german? http://webchat.freenode.net |
| 20:44.32 | freemangordon | _Lena: anyway, how is the on-device kernel flashing going? |
| 20:44.46 | freemangordon | aah, wait |
| 20:45.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ip is german too |
| 20:45.00 | _Lena | till noow ok |
| 20:45.07 | freemangordon | kernel-bfs most probably conflicts with it |
| 20:45.08 | _Lena | ready |
| 20:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: :-) |
| 20:45.14 | freemangordon | ready? |
| 20:45.33 | _Lena | Unpacking replacement kernel-modules ... Setting up kernel (2.6.28-20103103+0m5) ... Setting up kernel-modules (2.6.28-20103103+0m5) ... Setting up kernel-flasher (2.6.28-20103103+0m5) ... initctl: Job not changed: softupd Version 0.4.4 started Waiting for messages flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 8 2010) Image 'kernel', size 1705 kB Version 2.6.28-20103103+0m5 Using flashing protocol Mk II. ISI message from new source (10, 00) Found device RX-51, |
| 20:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | it installed all 3 packages? |
| 20:45.51 | freemangordon | looks ok so far |
| 20:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks good |
| 20:46.00 | freemangordon | _Lena: reboot |
| 20:46.04 | _Lena | yes, liike the last time |
| 20:46.09 | freemangordon | what? |
| 20:46.32 | freemangordon | hmm, I remember something like that on KP thread |
| 20:46.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel-flasher (2.6.28-20103103+0m5) ? |
| 20:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this correct? fmg? |
| 20:46.48 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes, stock kernel |
| 20:46.57 | freemangordon | (IIRC) |
| 20:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 20:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | just wanted to make sure |
| 20:47.12 | freemangordon | not sure about the version |
| 20:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 20103103 looked odd |
| 20:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.35 | freemangordon | yeah, this is the correct version |
| 20:48.36 | freemangordon | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ |
| 20:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache policy kernel |
| 20:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 20:49.19 | freemangordon | :) |
| 20:49.27 | freemangordon | I am on my PC :P |
| 20:49.40 | _Lena | ok, at themoment i got usb (storagemode) conection to my pc |
| 20:49.56 | _Lena | lets see if it will last |
| 20:50.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: And I suspect windoze will BSOD if I type that in cmd :P |
| 20:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 20:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it'll nuke the south half of your country |
| 20:51.04 | freemangordon | _Lena: if you have mass storage, charging should work too |
| 20:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 20:51.31 | _Lena | yes, but i had that before, and later it stopped again |
| 20:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: you got h-e-n installed? |
| 20:52.22 | freemangordon | _Lena: would you check which kernel runs now? |
| 20:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: could you `wget http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.sh` |
| 20:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: then execute that script |
| 20:52.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: i2ctools? |
| 20:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | h-e-n |
| 20:52.59 | freemangordon | aah |
| 20:53.00 | freemangordon | yes |
| 20:53.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: does it nees bme to be stopped? |
| 20:53.30 | freemangordon | *need |
| 20:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 20:53.34 | freemangordon | ok |
| 20:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway a ps x|grep bme|grep -v grep would help too ;-) |
| 20:54.34 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: if bme does not run dsme will reboot the device |
| 20:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | should yield 2 lines which _Lena can paste here |
| 20:54.51 | freemangordon | ps x? |
| 20:54.58 | _Lena | everything went fine, complaining not enough poower to charge (current sensing ok) then disconected the cable and not working again |
| 20:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops, that's my proper ps |
| 20:55.34 | freemangordon | _Lena: hmm, and what about if you connect the wall charger? |
| 20:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: there's sth fscked up in your kernel modules or initscripts or whatever |
| 20:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still suggest full reflash |
| 20:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, COMBINED reflash |
| 20:56.25 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: deffinitely |
| 20:56.52 | freemangordon | could it be that it is PC to blame? |
| 20:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there been kernel-bfs, there might've been other weird stuff as well |
| 20:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway check with fastcharger! |
| 20:57.44 | freemangordon | _Lena: check which kernel runs !!! |
| 20:57.51 | _Lena | okk i executed the script |
| 20:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed :-D |
| 20:58.05 | _Lena | shows nothing |
| 20:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing? |
| 20:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah you neet root dor that |
| 20:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | need |
| 20:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | for |
| 20:58.29 | freemangordon | for :P |
| 20:58.35 | _Lena | i know, but nothing |
| 20:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:58.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not that important now |
| 20:59.01 | _Lena | just the promt |
| 20:59.15 | freemangordon | uname -a? |
| 20:59.18 | _Lena | Nokia-N900:~# sudo ./bq27200.sh Nokia-N900:~# |
| 20:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it would just read out bq27200 chip and tell about *true* current to/from battery |
| 20:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | as well as true bat voltage |
| 20:59.42 | _Lena | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-bfs10 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jan 4 22:28:20 EET 2012 armv7l unknown |
| 20:59.50 | freemangordon | the fuck?!? |
| 20:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: sudo doesn't work like that |
| 21:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 21:00.13 | _Lena | ok |
| 21:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | do `root` |
| 21:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | then run script |
| 21:00.25 | freemangordon | _Lena: root |
| 21:00.27 | _Lena | root |
| 21:00.30 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 21:00.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: that kernel seems to be a zombie? |
| 21:01.01 | _Lena | ..i have to put it in sudoers |
| 21:01.05 | freemangordon | do not use sudo |
| 21:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 21:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can do, sure |
| 21:01.36 | _Lena | i am doing a ssh as root from my pc ! |
| 21:01.40 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 21:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but just doing `sudo gainroot`, or better `root` |
| 21:01.52 | freemangordon | then just ./bq27200.sh |
| 21:02.01 | freemangordon | _Lena: ^^^ |
| 21:02.39 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 21:02.48 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
| 21:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi Pali :-D |
| 21:02.59 | Pali | hi :-) |
| 21:03.22 | freemangordon | Pali: IIRC someone reported the same "unable to flash" on KP thread, do you remember what is was? |
| 21:03.29 | freemangordon | *it |
| 21:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you raided stock kernel and replaced it by Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-bfs ? ;-) |
| 21:03.55 | freemangordon | i.e. flasher reports success, but it still boots the old kernel |
| 21:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: low battery |
| 21:04.11 | Pali | multiboot |
| 21:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or that |
| 21:04.17 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:04.23 | Pali | it flashing kernel on startup |
| 21:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:04.35 | _Lena | no answer from the script |
| 21:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 21:04.36 | infobot | [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 21:04.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: o.O |
| 21:05.13 | _Lena | only the promt |
| 21:05.46 | Pali | sometimes when I flashed stock or power kernel in qemu softupd wrote timeout and killed flasher |
| 21:05.46 | freemangordon | Pali: how to check if multiboot is installed? |
| 21:05.52 | Pali | and nothing was flashed |
| 21:05.53 | freemangordon | dpkg -l | grep multiboot? |
| 21:06.01 | Pali | but flasher show me that new version was flashed |
| 21:06.16 | freemangordon | Pali: flasher reported sucess |
| 21:06.37 | freemangordon | *success |
| 21:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: could you source the script? (`. bq27200.sh` instead `bq27200.sh`) |
| 21:06.43 | Pali | dpkg -l multiboot |
| 21:06.58 | Pali | or apt-cache policy multiboot |
| 21:07.10 | Pali | or apt-cache show multiboot |
| 21:07.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lets see if there is multiboot installed first |
| 21:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still recommend full COMBINED :-D |
| 21:07.44 | freemangordon | _Lena: dpkg -l | grep multi |
| 21:09.35 | _Lena | yes i got multiboot loader+kernel |
| 21:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yaqy |
| 21:10.48 | freemangordon | wipe that. |
| 21:10.50 | _Lena | and what means "source the script ? |
| 21:10.59 | freemangordon | Pali: how to remove multiboot? |
| 21:11.07 | freemangordon | apt-get remove? |
| 21:11.10 | Pali | dpkg -P multiboot? |
| 21:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | set -v; source ./bq27200.sh |
| 21:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | `.` being a shortcut for `source` |
| 21:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | (eventually you want to revert the debug flag v, by `set +v`) |
| 21:12.28 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it looks like HW is ok, lets fix the SW part |
| 21:12.39 | _Lena | sorry, i dont understand |
| 21:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: the commandline is: |
| 21:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | set -v; source ./bq27200.sh |
| 21:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: see ~maemo-multiboot |
| 21:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: not a single instance where a user recovered from multiboot without reflash |
| 21:13.57 | freemangordon | I don't want to see anything multiboot related :P |
| 21:14.00 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:14.50 | _Lena | i installed multiboot to check if the n900 chaarges unde nitdroid, but the installation on ny sd failed |
| 21:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: the suggested sourcing of bq27200.sh should display line by line the exewcution of that script, telling us where it fails |
| 21:15.17 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: though..., for reflash one need working rootfs IIRC |
| 21:15.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 21:15.31 | freemangordon | or no rootfs at all |
| 21:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF??? |
| 21:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you insane? |
| 21:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing rootfs does not need a working rootfs |
| 21:16.00 | freemangordon | me? no, just tired :D |
| 21:16.02 | _Lena | yes that is what i expected too, vii shows the content, but when running there is no output on the terminal |
| 21:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's really strange |
| 21:16.51 | freemangordon | _Lena: vi? |
| 21:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus I suggested sourcing instead executing the script, which would show line by line |
| 21:17.44 | freemangordon | _Lena: paste "set -v; source ./bq27200.sh" without quotes in your terminal |
| 21:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could even make that `set -vx ... ` |
| 21:18.18 | _Lena | i used "vi", just to check if it downloaded corect |
| 21:18.26 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 21:18.51 | _Lena | ok |
| 21:19.06 | _Lena | now i see the script |
| 21:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | like: |
| 21:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# . bin/bq27200.sh |
| 21:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | + . bin/bq27200.sh |
| 21:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ++ RS=22 |
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| 21:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | set -x |
| 21:20.44 | _Lena | i got rs=21 |
| 21:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then again: . ./bq27200.sh |
| 21:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter too much |
| 21:21.51 | freemangordon | _Lena: can you just pastebin the whole output |
| 21:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | there should be lines like |
| 21:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ++ echo -n . |
| 21:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | .+++ i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x08 w |
| 21:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually what's last line displayed after `set -vx; source ./bq27200.sh` |
| 21:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or last 2 lines even |
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| 21:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects the script can't find i2cget and silently fails |
| 21:25.27 | _Lena | i get Need ./i2cget |
| 21:25.40 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hehe |
| 21:25.53 | _Lena | it iis installed |
| 21:26.15 | _Lena | why cant yoou giveme the address for the i2c |
| 21:26.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: /usr/bin ? |
| 21:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure where it's usually installed |
| 21:26.49 | freemangordon | which i2cget? |
| 21:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: could you issue cmd `i2cget --help` ? |
| 21:27.26 | _Lena | ok |
| 21:27.48 | _Lena | what do you need |
| 21:27.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: "which i2cget" sounds better |
| 21:28.09 | freemangordon | it will give her the path to the binary |
| 21:28.30 | _Lena | ok, that makes sens |
| 21:28.35 | freemangordon | so bq... script to be executed from there |
| 21:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh |
| 21:29.16 | _Lena | ok it is in /usr/sbin |
| 21:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ that one not checking for a special location of i2cget |
| 21:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | #if [ ! -e i2cget ] ; then |
| 21:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | #echo "Need i2cget" |
| 21:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | #return |
| 21:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | #fi |
| 21:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | insane, basically |
| 21:30.22 | _Lena | thhis one works |
| 21:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I commented it out |
| 21:30.31 | _Lena | which row you need |
| 21:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | do ./bq27200.sh 5 |
| 21:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | gives one line |
| 21:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | then abort by ^C |
| 21:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | second col is mV, we would like to see that |
| 21:32.59 | _Lena | Reported Battery Voltage: 4047 mV |
| 21:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5th col is mA, that shows if your battery is actually charging (negative values) or discharging |
| 21:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | this voltage should be fine for flashing :-o |
| 21:34.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | though sth >4100 would be better I guess |
| 21:34.47 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, can you explain how you're handling the swap now? |
| 21:34.51 | _Lena | SI: 20 mA STTE: 0 minutes |
| 21:35.27 | ShadowJK | is kernel-cssu2 an alias for kernelpower :/ |
| 21:35.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, SI isn't that interesting |
| 21:35.45 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: when a page comes it goes compressed to the compressed memory pool and uncompressed to the write queue |
| 21:35.51 | _Lena | its the 5th row |
| 21:35.59 | ShadowJK | Well, it's both empty and reaching full |
| 21:36.15 | ShadowJK | _Lena, you forgot the 5 after ./bq27200.sh |
| 21:36.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: I told to run it with parameter 5, then go for 5th col, not 5th row |
| 21:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | 23:31 4177 100 100 -16 1144 1144 1144 65535 7560 32 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 |
| 21:37.10 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: when write queue has 128 pages to be written, I write them to flash |
| 21:37.47 | freemangordon | when there is no more memory fro the compressed pool, i free 128 pages |
| 21:37.57 | freemangordon | s/fro/in/ |
| 21:38.47 | _Lena | if i begiin whith do i get an error so i typed sh ./bq27200.sh |
| 21:38.58 | ShadowJK | How big is the compressed pool? |
| 21:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, it's not that relevant now |
| 21:39.27 | _Lena | CSOC: 0 % RSOC: 0 % Average Current: 177 mA TTF: 65535 minutes TTE: 0 minutes NAC: 0 mAh CACD: 0 mAh CACT: 0 mAh SI: 20 mA STTE: 0 minutes MLI: 934 mA MLTTE: 0 minutes AR: 0 mA ARTTE: 65535 minutes Last Measured Discharge: 1869 mAh Cycle Count since Learning: 1 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 1 Reported Battery Voltage: 4004 mV Battery Gauge die Temperature: 30 C Flags: 0x10 Charge:0 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:1 CALIP:0 VDQ:0 EDV1:0 E |
| 21:39.40 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: a parameter, I used 16MiB for testing |
| 21:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: `chmod +x ./bq27200.sh` |
| 21:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: bq27200.sh 5 |
| 21:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: `bq27200.sh 5` |
| 21:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 21:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | (don't type the ` ) |
| 21:41.13 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, so is kernel-cssu3 a separate kernel or alias for kp? |
| 21:41.18 | _Lena | sh: syntax error: "do" unexpected |
| 21:41.34 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: it is KP |
| 21:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that was never meant to get typed as well |
| 21:41.38 | ShadowJK | ok |
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| 21:41.49 | freemangordon | v 51r1 |
| 21:42.10 | _Lena | sorry, i dindnt know that...now i got results |
| 21:42.37 | _Lena | -168ma |
| 21:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I changed my "syntax" several times :-) I'll try to use `cmd paramater` syntax now |
| 21:42.51 | _Lena | updating every 5 sec |
| 21:43.04 | freemangordon | hmm, it is charging :D |
| 21:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop it with ctrl + c |
| 21:43.18 | _Lena | ok |
| 21:44.05 | _Lena | are you shure that it is charging !? |
| 21:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's TTE ? |
| 21:44.26 | _Lena | tte=0 |
| 21:45.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks like it's neither charging nor discharging |
| 21:45.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather looks like bogus values |
| 21:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-o |
| 21:46.02 | freemangordon | _Lena: what is the output of "lsmod | grep bq" |
| 21:46.04 | _Lena | when i leave the phone over night conected whithg the charger it will not charge up |
| 21:46.07 | freemangordon | wihtout quotes |
| 21:46.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Average Current (mA, 5th col) shall be negative while charging |
| 21:46.39 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.40 | _Lena | not loaded |
| 21:47.23 | _Lena | yes it shows values between -232 and - 111 |
| 21:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wait |
| 21:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I often confuse those 2 |
| 21:48.34 | _Lena | and the voltage varies !...very strange |
| 21:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, in fact negative current seems to indicate discharge |
| 21:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | varying voltage is normal |
| 21:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the higher the discharge current the weaker the voltage |
| 21:50.02 | _Lena | yes, normal, forgot the high resistance of lion |
| 21:51.13 | freemangordon | anyway, the question is why flashing cannot be started |
| 21:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | TTE = 65535 means it's charging |
| 21:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | TimeToEmpty of anything less means it's discharging |
| 21:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | the value is in minutes |
| 21:52.00 | freemangordon | TTE: 0 |
| 21:52.11 | freemangordon | TTF: 65535 |
| 21:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's same as 65535 it seems |
| 21:52.32 | freemangordon | but it is TTF, not TTE |
| 21:52.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | 23:47 4180 100 100 0 1145 1145 1145 0 65535 32 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 |
| 21:53.29 | freemangordon | <_Lena> CSOC: 0 % RSOC: 0 % Average Current: 177 mA TTF: 65535 minutes TTE: 0 minutes |
| 21:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | TTE = 0 would mean it actually is completely discharged |
| 21:53.47 | freemangordon | bq reports nonsense |
| 21:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 21:54.03 | freemangordon | but? |
| 21:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's massively decalibrated |
| 21:54.34 | freemangordon | that should not stop BME to start charging AIUI |
| 21:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure not |
| 21:55.08 | freemangordon | hmm, "not charging, insufficient power" |
| 21:55.14 | _Lena | could be decalibrated, because of swapping permanently the batteries maybe |
| 21:55.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing |
| 21:55.53 | freemangordon | at least BME tries to |
| 21:56.39 | freemangordon | _Lena: what wall charger do you use, original Nokia? |
| 21:56.47 | freemangordon | 1200mA |
| 21:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch voltage, if it rises then battery gets charge, if it drops you're discharging it |
| 21:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, no use in trying to fix that mess, reflash when your battery has >4100mV |
| 21:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that doesn't work, we need to check your PC |
| 21:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should however pass the NOLO battery test |
| 21:58.27 | _Lena | Yes, but since 1 month i cant use it anymore. since then i bought a charger where i can put my battery in for charging |
| 21:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the wallcharger might be defect |
| 21:58.56 | freemangordon | since you installed kernel-bfs? |
| 21:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated |
| 21:59.10 | freemangordon | i know, but still |
| 21:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 21:59.20 | _Lena | then same effect like charging in the nokia 5800 from my friend |
| 22:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: try to get a completely charged battery (voltage >4100mV), then try flashing again |
| 22:00.49 | _Lena | ok, i got another battery, charged whith 4.19 volt |
| 22:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you test it with bq27200.sh prior to proceeding to flash? |
| 22:01.30 | freemangordon | well I still think it might be that part of NOLO is damaged |
| 22:01.40 | _Lena | ok, |
| 22:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: we never seen such thing yet |
| 22:02.15 | freemangordon | I know |
| 22:02.25 | freemangordon | but it is not hard to be achieved |
| 22:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's however very hard to ruin NOLO like THAT |
| 22:03.25 | freemangordon | well, if the code for flashing is at the end of the partition, imagine. |
| 22:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would you nuke the end of partition? |
| 22:03.58 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 22:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither ;-P |
| 22:04.10 | freemangordon | but in principle |
| 22:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | in principle you could write a nifty program that accomplishes that |
| 22:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ech foobar >mtd will nuke start of partition, not end |
| 22:04.58 | freemangordon | you will have a working kernel loader and wd kicking when you try to reflash |
| 22:05.24 | freemangordon | and AIUI it is what happens, WD kicks in |
| 22:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
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| 22:05.52 | freemangordon | but? MOLO tries to charge the battery? |
| 22:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it tries to boot linux, and fails on that |
| 22:06.05 | freemangordon | when 'u'is pressed? |
| 22:06.09 | _Lena | ok it shows 4139 mv |
| 22:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | very good |
| 22:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | now see if you can get it to keep USB icon on NOKIA screen when holding 'u' key |
| 22:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT run flasher on PC, when plugging in |
| 22:07.19 | _Lena | usualy i cant, but i will try |
| 22:07.40 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: isn;t it better to use wall charger instead of PC |
| 22:07.42 | freemangordon | ? |
| 22:07.49 | freemangordon | for battery chaeck |
| 22:07.54 | freemangordon | *check |
| 22:07.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if wallcharger is borked, it will confuse hell out of us |
| 22:08.00 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, I like what I see in iostat so far |
| 22:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, it should get tested with both PC *and* wallcharger |
| 22:09.07 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: iostat -k 1 gives between 256k and 4M, depending on how big the queue is |
| 22:09.41 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, I like what I see in the avrq-sz column |
| 22:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: try with both - PC and wallcharger, if any of both can make N900 keep the USB icon |
| 22:10.04 | ShadowJK | I'm used to seeing more reads when using fennec though, maybe that's all going through the compressed pool now |
| 22:10.09 | freemangordon | as queue is written async, we may have lots more to write, when the writing starts |
| 22:10.43 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: are you trying it? |
| 22:10.52 | _Lena | when the phone is off and i plug in the usbcable the phone starts imidietly whith the reboot-loop, no usb symbol |
| 22:11.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: see |
| 22:11.09 | freemangordon | it is NOLO |
| 22:11.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: you are holding down the u key all the time? |
| 22:11.27 | _Lena | yes |
| 22:11.30 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, yes on my backup n900 |
| 22:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | what power source you used? |
| 22:12.00 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: have in mind to not use it for more than 5-10 minutes |
| 22:12.14 | freemangordon | once all of the blacks onm BSWAP device are used, you'll get oops |
| 22:12.18 | freemangordon | *blocks |
| 22:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: what power source you used? |
| 22:12.23 | ShadowJK | hehe |
| 22:12.24 | _Lena | battery |
| 22:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S you either used PC or wallcharger |
| 22:13.08 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: I did't write defragmentation part, as I am not sure it makes sense |
| 22:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: try with both - PC and wallcharger, if any of both can make N900 keep the USB icon |
| 22:13.44 | freemangordon | i.e. if the basic functionality is broken... |
| 22:13.59 | _Lena | how can i conect the wallcharrger whhen i want the usb icon ? |
| 22:14.14 | freemangordon | _Lena: in the same way |
| 22:14.16 | _Lena | i thhoght i only coomes when i conect the phone ton my pc |
| 22:14.26 | freemangordon | no |
| 22:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: power down N900, hold u key, plug in wallcharger |
| 22:14.42 | freemangordon | it should come when you use walcharger too |
| 22:14.48 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 22:15.08 | _Lena | nothing, just the reboot-loop i explaind before |
| 22:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-( |
| 22:15.28 | freemangordon | NOLO. |
| 22:15.34 | _Lena | i have to remove the battery to stop the reboot |
| 22:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that means you either got a defect N900 hw, or freemangordon is right and you actually need a coldflash now |
| 22:16.24 | _Lena | i think i got nothing to loose whith a cold flash |
| 22:16.43 | freemangordon | nothing but time, as it is tricky :D |
| 22:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | coldflashing is a rather untested procedure though - at least I never did it |
| 22:16.57 | freemangordon | I've done it |
| 22:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine, then talk her thru it |
| 22:17.18 | freemangordon | it was loong time ago |
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| 22:17.27 | freemangordon | i'll try to remember |
| 22:17.51 | freemangordon | _Lena: write down your HW revision somewhere |
| 22:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah! |
| 22:18.08 | freemangordon | we'll need that later |
| 22:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/cpuinfo or sth |
| 22:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 22:18.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | `cat /proc/cpuinfo` |
| 22:19.11 | freemangordon | _Lena: you need to boot to maemo |
| 22:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hardware : Nokia RX-51 board |
| 22:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Revision : 2101 |
| 22:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | your revision might differ |
| 22:19.53 | *** join/#maemo WPA2 (~WPa@host-92-23-109-118.as13285.net) |
| 22:21.07 | WPA2 | hey guys |
| 22:21.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects broken USB receptacle that has too high ESR on VBUS |
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| 22:22.04 | freemangordon | could be |
| 22:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you're aware you need to do it in sync, to be able to tell if it succeeded? |
| 22:22.48 | freemangordon | ? |
| 22:22.59 | _Lena | where do i find the revision, its not on the label under the batt |
| 22:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you know how a suceeding coldflash looks? |
| 22:23.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | `cat /proc/cpuinfo` |
| 22:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: `cat /proc/cpuinfo` |
| 22:23.39 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well IIRC it tells that it succeeded |
| 22:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: if it was on the label under bat, we wouldn't need to write it down now ;-) |
| 22:24.11 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the problem I see is that i use flasher35.exe ;) |
| 22:24.14 | _Lena | ok, i got it |
| 22:24.17 | WPA2 | I could do with some help guys i need to convert .netxml files to kml |
| 22:24.35 | freemangordon | WPA2: and what has google to tell about that? |
| 22:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: 2101 or sth other? |
| 22:24.58 | _Lena | 2204 |
| 22:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay |
| 22:25.03 | freemangordon | good |
| 22:25.07 | _Lena | it was bought in spain |
| 22:25.11 | WPA2 | nothing for the N900 i use giskismet on BT5 |
| 22:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd be massively out of luck without writing that down |
| 22:25.38 | freemangordon | _Lena: flasher35 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo |
| 22:26.10 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what is flasher executable in linux? |
| 22:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 or sth like that |
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| 22:26.40 | freemangordon | _Lena: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo |
| 22:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena will know, she used it already |
| 22:26.43 | _Lena | i got the flasher-tool installed, but it is only usb |
| 22:26.55 | freemangordon | flasher-tool?!? |
| 22:27.04 | freemangordon | where did you get that from? |
| 22:27.43 | freemangordon | and yes, USB is what we need |
| 22:27.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | get flasher-3.5 binary from Nokia download page |
| 22:28.49 | freemangordon | wonders if that flasher-tool could be responsible for damaged NOLO |
| 22:28.56 | *** join/#maemo WPA2 (~WPa@host-92-23-109-118.as13285.net) |
| 22:29.16 | _Lena | i got it from the nokia page, ver 3.5... |
| 22:29.22 | freemangordon | good |
| 22:29.25 | ShadowJK | btw, I doubt any of my original Nokia BL-5J batteries would be able to sustain above 4.1V on boot anymore, even when fully charged. Is that really the threshold? |
| 22:30.03 | freemangordon | _Lena: then execute "flasher-tool -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo" on your PC. Do not connect any cables |
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| 22:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | noooo not flasher-tool |
| 22:32.55 | freemangordon | ? |
| 22:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 |
| 22:33.19 | freemangordon | yes, sorry, my bad |
| 22:33.29 | _Lena | the programm is called "flasher.sh" its a script |
| 22:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | do not use that |
| 22:33.43 | freemangordon | _Lena: no, it is binary |
| 22:33.51 | freemangordon | and is called flasher-3.5 |
| 22:33.55 | freemangordon | ~flashing |
| 22:33.55 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:34.40 | freemangordon | _Lena: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 22:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, you beat me |
| 22:35.58 | freemangordon | _Lena: what happens if you writte flasher-3.5 on your PC? |
| 22:36.05 | freemangordon | *write |
| 22:36.39 | freemangordon | i.e. do you have such binary |
| 22:37.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am running out of time, so will explain the procedure in short |
| 22:37.38 | freemangordon | run "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo" |
| 22:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also way beyond my deadline |
| 22:37.55 | freemangordon | not sure about "--flash-only=nolo" |
| 22:38.13 | freemangordon | cable have to be connected on removed battery |
| 22:38.32 | freemangordon | battery should be inserted while 'u' is pressed |
| 22:39.00 | freemangordon | flasher spits something like "foound ASIC id" or something |
| 22:39.45 | freemangordon | IIRC I didn't manage to do that on my PC, had to use my laptop for that |
| 22:40.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | blacklist cdc_phonet |
| 22:40.07 | freemangordon | though my PC has some broken NVidia chipset |
| 22:40.23 | freemangordon | windoze XP, both PC and Laptop |
| 22:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 22:40.41 | freemangordon | so no cdc_phonet :P |
| 22:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's about the only advantage |
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| 22:41.18 | freemangordon | it is just crappy NVidia does not play it nice with windoze USB drivers |
| 22:41.48 | freemangordon | In short that is :D |
| 22:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, we'll see in syslog of PC if it detects ROMBL |
| 22:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just curious how it will report NOLO successfully flashed |
| 22:42.42 | freemangordon | BTW I did several posts on TMO with the exact procedure and outpu |
| 22:42.48 | _Lena | i installed the program, now..... supply the product with '-h', e.g. '-h SU-18:1601' |
| 22:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 22:42.51 | freemangordon | *output |
| 22:43.02 | freemangordon | RX-51:2204 |
| 22:43.56 | freemangordon | _Lena: ^^^ |
| 22:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you did THAT ('-h SU-18:1601') before, we already know why your NOLO is borked ;-) |
| 22:44.13 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: naah |
| 22:44.32 | freemangordon | that is what flasher spits if you provide him wrong parameters |
| 22:45.29 | freemangordon | BTW we have HW revision in CAL too |
| 22:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:45.52 | freemangordon | I wonder what that flasher-tool is |
| 22:45.59 | _Lena | do i have to add ththat parameter to the line in the terminal ? |
| 22:46.11 | freemangordon | and why we are sure /proc/cpuinfo holds the correct HW revision |
| 22:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-25 00:37:38] <freemangordon> run "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo" |
| 22:46.40 | freemangordon | _Lena: "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=RX-51:2204 --flash-only=nolo" |
| 22:47.10 | _Lena | i think thera was soming wrong whith the installation, i downloadadd ver 3.5 and now it shows : flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 22:47.13 | _Lena | quite old |
| 22:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | no secondary or 2nd? |
| 22:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ |
| 22:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: normal |
| 22:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: the version string is fubar |
| 22:47.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I didn;t coldflash with fiasco, I unpackaged it, so not sure if it will work |
| 22:48.25 | freemangordon | but once there is NOLO in place, a normal flash should be possible |
| 22:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, sorry |
| 22:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | -c will cause coldflash unconditionally. If flasher-3.5 not happy, it will complain |
| 22:49.17 | _Lena | what does "fubar" mean ? |
| 22:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense |
| 22:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fubar |
| 22:49.31 | infobot | fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything. |
| 22:50.05 | freemangordon | _Lena: keep in mind I did that an year or so ago for the last time and my memory is not what it used to be :D |
| 22:50.28 | _Lena | ok, so i can use this flasher version ? |
| 22:50.34 | freemangordon | yes |
| 22:50.59 | freemangordon | "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=RX-51:2204 --flash-only=nolo" |
| 22:51.07 | freemangordon | paste that, without quotes |
| 22:51.10 | freemangordon | on your PC |
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| 22:52.48 | Skry | intense |
| 22:52.53 | freemangordon | well, seems we'll continue tomorrow :) |
| 22:53.05 | freemangordon | night |
| 22:53.23 | Skry | gnight |
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| 22:55.19 | _Lena | it sayys : You have to supply the 2nd image |
| 22:55.42 | freemangordon | hmm, wait a minute |
| 22:56.46 | freemangordon | _Lena: "flasher-3.5 -u RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 22:57.10 | freemangordon | that should unpack fiasko image to several files |
| 23:01.34 | _Lena | Unknown arguments specified! |
| 23:02.07 | _Lena | if i typpe help it allows the "-u" for unpack |
| 23:04.17 | freemangordon | _Lena: "flasher-3.5 -u -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 23:04.51 | freemangordon | sorry, I missed '-F' |
| 23:05.35 | freemangordon | _Lena: I hope you are doing copy/paste |
| 23:05.43 | freemangordon | not writing it by hand |
| 23:06.06 | _Lena | yes i do |
| 23:06.10 | freemangordon | ok |
| 23:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | also do fetch old cmdline by cursor-up, and expand by using tab |
| 23:06.40 | freemangordon | is it ok now |
| 23:06.42 | freemangordon | ? |
| 23:06.53 | freemangordon | as the next command is: |
| 23:07.37 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/rVvpJQN6 |
| 23:08.01 | _Lena | if i do flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=RX-51:2204 --flash-only=nolo ...still complains "You have to supply the 2nd image" |
| 23:08.21 | freemangordon | _Lena: look the link I poseted |
| 23:08.25 | freemangordon | *posted |
| 23:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-o |
| 23:08.31 | _Lena | o |
| 23:08.32 | _Lena | ok |
| 23:08.38 | freemangordon | there you'll find the command |
| 23:09.13 | _Lena | top or bottom ? |
| 23:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's really a filename? WTF?! |
| 23:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | both identical |
| 23:09.28 | freemangordon | WTF indeed |
| 23:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | top and bottom |
| 23:10.47 | freemangordon | _Lena: you should end up with: |
| 23:10.50 | freemangordon | Using serial port usb |
| 23:10.50 | freemangordon | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 23:11.37 | _Lena | xloader.bin-RX-51: No such file or directory |
| 23:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: that's all one single line |
| 23:12.16 | freemangordon | _Lena: put quotes around filenames |
| 23:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 23:13.21 | freemangordon | flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x"xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -2"2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -s"secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" |
| 23:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F nokia thought by creating *that* filename?? |
| 23:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | silly gnomes |
| 23:14.51 | _Lena | -xxloader.bin... whith double x is correct ? |
| 23:15.05 | freemangordon | _Lena: see ^^^ |
| 23:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yyes, it's correct |
| 23:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | modulo the " in between |
| 23:15.31 | freemangordon | -x"xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" |
| 23:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | same for -2"2 |
| 23:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and -s"seco... |
| 23:16.00 | freemangordon | yep. |
| 23:16.23 | freemangordon | don't forget to close the quotes |
| 23:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: short form: flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x xloader.bin* -2 2nd.bin-* -s secondary.bin* |
| 23:17.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: naah, there are lots of xloader, 2nd and secondary |
| 23:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 23:18.13 | freemangordon | unpack fiasko and you'll see |
| 23:18.16 | _Lena | i am lost |
| 23:18.18 | freemangordon | *fiasco |
| 23:18.32 | freemangordon | _Lena: :) why is that |
| 23:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: c&p what freemangordonwrote |
| 23:18.44 | freemangordon | yes |
| 23:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-25 01:13:20] <freemangordon> flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x"xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -2"2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -s"secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" |
| 23:18.51 | freemangordon | just do copy/paste |
| 23:19.02 | _Lena | ok |
| 23:19.26 | freemangordon | <freemangordon> _Lena: I hope you are doing copy/paste |
| 23:19.28 | freemangordon | 02:03 <freemangordon> not writing it by hand |
| 23:19.30 | freemangordon | <_Lena> yes i do |
| 23:19.33 | freemangordon | :P |
| 23:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-25 01:06:29] <DocScrutinizer05> also do fetch old cmdline by cursor-up, and expand by using tab |
| 23:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | expanding filenames is actually incredibly useful |
| 23:20.34 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: not on that case |
| 23:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | double-tab shows a list of abiguities if any |
| 23:20.53 | freemangordon | just unpack the fiasco image and you'll see |
| 23:21.09 | _Lena | xloader.bin-RX-51: No such file or directory....still the same |
| 23:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigh |
| 23:21.39 | freemangordon | _Lena: copy/paste the following line: |
| 23:21.41 | freemangordon | flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x"xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -2"2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -s"secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" |
| 23:21.53 | freemangordon | this is one line, remember |
| 23:22.00 | _Lena | including the quotes ? |
| 23:22.03 | freemangordon | yes |
| 23:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x'xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' -2'2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' -s'secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216"' |
| 23:22.32 | freemangordon | should do the job too |
| 23:22.42 | freemangordon | naah |
| 23:22.48 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you have a typo |
| 23:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, messsed up the end |
| 23:22.55 | freemangordon | yes |
| 23:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x'xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' -2'2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' -s'secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' |
| 23:23.04 | _Lena | No such file or directory |
| 23:23.47 | freemangordon | _Lena: did unpack succeeded? |
| 23:23.53 | freemangordon | *succeed |
| 23:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: you'll need ' instead of " for ; in filename |
| 23:24.10 | freemangordon | aah, yeah |
| 23:24.19 | _Lena | unpacking yes, but then it is not finding the file |
| 23:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: c6p my cmdline |
| 23:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | c&p* |
| 23:24.52 | freemangordon | _Lena: yeah, listen to doc, he is way better in shell than me |
| 23:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has single ticks instead quotes |
| 23:25.10 | _Lena | ok |
| 23:25.22 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW why is that? |
| 23:25.53 | freemangordon | I mean, why single and doule quotes are treated in a different way? |
| 23:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | in " " you get shell expansion and stuff, so names containing 'active' chars need ' ' |
| 23:26.07 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 23:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | "$1" is not '$1" |
| 23:26.24 | freemangordon | learned something new today :D |
| 23:26.32 | freemangordon | yeah, got it |
| 23:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | err '$1' |
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| 23:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw you also could've escaped the special chars, like fubared\;filename |
| 23:28.26 | freemangordon | yeah, but there is no way I can test that in win |
| 23:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and shell's tab expansion is even doing that for you ;-) |
| 23:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 23:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, your own fault to use win instead of a OS |
| 23:29.10 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I know |
| 23:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw there *is* a way: cygwin ;-P |
| 23:29.44 | freemangordon | I still cannot find enough free time to replace it with Ubuntu :P |
| 23:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh |
| 23:29.59 | infobot | buntkuh is probably http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind |
| 23:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 23:30.38 | freemangordon | _Lena: what has happened? |
| 23:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | either it worked, or we were too much ;-) |
| 23:32.04 | freemangordon | :D |
| 23:32.30 | _Lena | hurrraa, Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 23:32.36 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 23:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 23:32.49 | freemangordon | _Lena: now remove the battery from your n900 |
| 23:33.08 | freemangordon | report when ready |
| 23:33.10 | _Lena | ok |
| 23:33.25 | freemangordon | connect USB cable and press'n'hold 'u' |
| 23:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | while holding 'u' |
| 23:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | insert battery |
| 23:34.02 | freemangordon | yep |
| 23:34.18 | Skry | moar popcorn |
| 23:34.24 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 23:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 23:34.33 | freemangordon | more kernel 3.6 |
| 23:34.47 | Skry | going with 3.7 already |
| 23:34.54 | freemangordon | moar 3.8 |
| 23:35.05 | Skry | .. soon |
| 23:35.23 | freemangordon | _Lena: what has happened? |
| 23:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess she's still dancing ;-) |
| 23:36.03 | freemangordon | wonders what connection is she using |
| 23:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | webirc anyway |
| 23:36.29 | freemangordon | as I can't believe it takes 3 minutes to connect a cable |
| 23:36.32 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 23:36.35 | _Lena | vibrating , and dark screen rebooting loop |
| 23:36.50 | freemangordon | well, that's the tricky part |
| 23:37.01 | freemangordon | repeat it |
| 23:37.05 | freemangordon | I mean: |
| 23:37.09 | freemangordon | remove the battery |
| 23:37.18 | _Lena | the pc is still waiting for a conection |
| 23:37.19 | freemangordon | press and hold 'u' |
| 23:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove and insert battery, while holding 'u' on insert |
| 23:37.29 | freemangordon | connect the cable |
| 23:37.32 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: noo |
| 23:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | noo? |
| 23:37.54 | freemangordon | it does not need a battery to detect the ASIC |
| 23:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 23:38.03 | freemangordon | so: |
| 23:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might be right |
| 23:38.06 | freemangordon | remove the battery |
| 23:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | unplug |
| 23:38.17 | freemangordon | press and hold 'u' |
| 23:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | replug |
| 23:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | insert battery while still holding 'u' |
| 23:39.03 | _Lena | the yellow led flashes once, but nothing more happens |
| 23:39.10 | freemangordon | usually it takes more than 10 tries |
| 23:39.21 | freemangordon | does PC say anything? |
| 23:39.41 | _Lena | no, pc is still waiting |
| 23:39.56 | freemangordon | well, as I told you, this is tricky |
| 23:40.18 | freemangordon | there is only 200ms window for device to be detected |
| 23:40.30 | freemangordon | did you put the battery back? |
| 23:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: actually holding 'u' is useless, since that's a NOLO thing, not ROMBL |
| 23:40.46 | freemangordon | if not, do it |
| 23:41.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC ROMBL waits for it too |
| 23:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 23:41.20 | _Lena | i dont think the usbpoower is strong enough, when the n900 was woorking it never charged from the PC if i remember right |
| 23:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROMBL has not even any idea of kbd |
| 23:41.24 | freemangordon | ok, it was long time ago |
| 23:41.39 | freemangordon | so I might be wrong |
| 23:42.02 | freemangordon | _Lena: well, you'll have to find another PC then |
| 23:42.28 | freemangordon | I had to do it when I did coldflashing. It was not becasue of the power, but still |
| 23:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think power from USB shouldn't be the problem with early coldflash. After all the device powers up, and it does so from battery, just detecting voltage on USB but not really using it |
| 23:43.06 | freemangordon | also you may try to do a normal flashing initially on that "other" pc |
| 23:43.26 | _Lena | ok, but not tonight anymore, i run out of concentration |
| 23:43.33 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: actually it is USB that is used to power coldflashing IIR |
| 23:43.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 23:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't |
| 23:43.48 | freemangordon | _Lena: same here. Plus I run out of time :D |
| 23:43.54 | _Lena | many manny many many thanks for the help |
| 23:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | since nothing in ROMBL will initialize the bq24150 |
| 23:44.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: for POWERING, not CHARGING |
| 23:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: come back tomorrow, maybe 4h earler |
| 23:44.29 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 23:44.37 | _Lena | you are very clever guys, you know what you are talking of :) |
| 23:44.37 | freemangordon | and try to find some laptop |
| 23:44.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: power and charging is same rail |
| 23:44.48 | freemangordon | VBUS? |
| 23:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, vbus to system is via bq24150, nuttin alternative |
| 23:45.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike freerunner the N900 has no separate VDDsys rail |
| 23:45.49 | freemangordon | guess why you have orange flash when there is no battery and you connect the cable ;) |
| 23:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. whole system all times gets power from battery |
| 23:46.03 | freemangordon | anyway, i am out |
| 23:46.19 | freemangordon | night guys (and lady) |
| 23:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and USB is only charging battery, nothing else |
| 23:46.23 | _Lena | ok,see yoou tomorrow |
| 23:46.36 | _Lena | thanks again, bye |
| 23:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | as well has to take care about own health now |
| 23:46.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: bye and til tomorrow |
| 23:47.13 | RST38h | yawns |
| 23:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 23:47.24 | RST38h | Doc: Anything new and exciting? |
| 23:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you missed it ;-P |
| 23:47.39 | RST38h | seen ext4 data corruption bug already? =) |
| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, link! |
| 23:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | global or fremantle? |
| 23:48.36 | RST38h | global |
| 23:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay |
| 23:48.54 | RST38h | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Stable-Linux-kernel-hit-by-ext4-data-corruption-bug-1736110.html |
| 23:50.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 23:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice one |
| 23:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily I reboot only twice a year ;-D |
| 23:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope that's not "too fast" |
| 23:52.10 | RST38h | imagines the state of Doc's swap partition, smirks |
| 23:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | swap usage: 0% of 8GB |
| 23:53.07 | RST38h | 128GB of RAM? |
| 23:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 8 |
| 23:53.18 | RST38h | hm |
| 23:53.22 | RST38h | twm? |
| 23:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf twm |
| 23:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome |
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| 23:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 23:55.11 | Skry | running awesome on n900 |
| 23:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, actually the "ps x" vs "busybox ps" could've been what caused bootloop on PR1.1 |
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| 23:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | `ps|grep -q bme && echo 'bme up and running' ` |
| 23:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ps|grep -q bme && echo 'bme up and running' |
| 23:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# busybox ps|grep -q bme && echo 'bme up and running' |
| 23:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | bme up and running |
| 23:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so much for possix compatibility of busybox |
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