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| 14:08.06 | DocScrutinizer06 | infobot: wb |
| 14:08.06 | infobot | It's great to be back! |
| 14:11.21 | ShadowJK | Protected cells made from 18650 often are still called 18650 despite that adding an extra wire from end to end, and adding a circuit at the bottom and/or a buttin/nipple at the top will have made it larger |
| 14:12.05 | ShadowJK | Getting a 18600 made costs a helluva lot more for small batches |
| 14:12.26 | ShadowJK | and factories that will do it are few :) |
| 14:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's useless anyway |
| 14:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's even nice the protected ones are longer - you can make holders so unprotected ones don't even contact |
| 14:14.34 | vi_ | I have some here that are 17.3mm |
| 14:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.8mm for ptotection circuit isn't insane |
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| 14:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, it *is* - insanely thin |
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| 14:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like there's any 'unused space' in the next to perfect cylinders of bare bones 18650 |
| 14:18.33 | ShadowJK | It's pretty amazing they dont break used in 3 cell flashlights |
| 14:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...where you could put that protection circuit and still keep outer dimensions |
| 14:19.40 | vi_ | did I say 17.3? |
| 14:19.41 | ShadowJK | Oddly nobody does that |
| 14:19.45 | vi_ | I meant 73mm |
| 14:19.49 | vi_ | 73mm long. |
| 14:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 14:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I read 7.3cm :-P |
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| 14:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 14:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | time for COFFEE |
| 14:21.00 | ShadowJK | On the other hand they often run on many different combinations |
| 14:21.07 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: too right, I may join you. |
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| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's move the last 15 lines here to "the WTF IRC nonsense of the week" and forget it ;-P |
| 14:25.14 | ShadowJK | destroyed a lipo yesterday |
| 14:25.35 | ShadowJK | Doing a very slow 40-hour charge on it |
| 14:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | but generally just the steel bottom and knob top make a cylindrical cell ~5mm longer than bare bones cell |
| 14:25.45 | ShadowJK | if it keeps voltage maybe I'll put it on ebay lol |
| 14:26.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | been the case since ther been NiCad AAA |
| 14:27.38 | ShadowJK | Nimh/nicad seem to typically be on the thicker side |
| 14:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the friggin standrad 'capped' cells never did fit into the multicell packs you found in cellphones/whatever |
| 14:27.53 | ShadowJK | but still within the tolerances allowed |
| 14:28.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recall dremeling off the knob just so often, to repair a dead pack |
| 14:29.08 | vi_BRB_COFFEE | ShadowJK: That would be unethical, |
| 14:29.50 | ShadowJK | vi_BRB_COFFEE; what, selling a potentially damaged battery? That's what ebay is for, and what every battery on there is ;p |
| 14:31.22 | laxsill | Hey guys. I've had a lot of trouble with the Mail for Exchange. I've tried google solutions and some solutions from the maemo.org forum. But I always get the error "Error in communication with Exchange server". I've tried syncing in both usual Maemo and CSSU (latest editions). Anyone got pointers or ideas? |
| 14:31.45 | laxsill | (Email sync often works, but never calendar or contacts) |
| 14:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sell as "3.7V 1.800mAh" ;-P |
| 14:32.16 | ShadowJK | This was a 11.1V 4400 mAh pack :) |
| 14:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | then make that 11.0V 4.400mAh |
| 14:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 4400µAh |
| 14:34.35 | vi_ | dang, someone put a fish in the perculator. |
| 14:34.59 | deepy | Why would they do that? |
| 14:35.05 | deepy | was it fresh? |
| 14:35.07 | deepy | Was it alive? |
| 14:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is a perculator? |
| 14:35.16 | deepy | Is it addicted to coffee now? |
| 14:35.26 | vi_ | laxsill: What mfe server are you trying to connect to? |
| 14:35.51 | vi_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN7k-KjE8wI |
| 14:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict perculator |
| 14:35.55 | vi_ | ^percolator. |
| 14:36.03 | vi_ | ~dict percolator. |
| 14:36.06 | akls | jade, |
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| 14:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ahaaa |
| 14:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I heard of preparing meals in the dish washer |
| 14:37.04 | deepy | What! XD |
| 14:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | but never of boiling a fish in a percolator |
| 14:37.24 | deepy | I only heard of running alcohol in teh dishwasher |
| 14:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | might work as well though |
| 14:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, alc, that sounds dangerous |
| 14:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you seen that @mythbusters? |
| 14:38.31 | merlin1991 | nah that's alc in a microwave ;) |
| 14:39.20 | laxsill | vi_: Google. |
| 14:39.39 | laxsill | vi_: I'm trying to synd my gmail, google calendar and google contacts to my phone. |
| 14:39.48 | laxsill | *sync |
| 14:39.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think that ever worked |
| 14:39.59 | deepy | DocScrutinizer05: I think it was for the heat_ |
| 14:41.34 | laxsill | vi_: Any ideas? |
| 14:41.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | laxsill: I don't think that ever worked |
| 14:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno for sure though |
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| 14:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe it once worked but google broke the API |
| 14:43.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I recall discussions about bi-weekly appointments in calendar |
| 14:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | some 2..3 years ago |
| 14:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask Mohammad- |
| 14:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | if he's still alive :-o |
| 14:46.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen mohammadAG |
| 14:46.23 | infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 45d 21h 26m 49s ago, saying: 'will put up an example app'. |
| 14:47.07 | vi_ | I guess he never put up that example app. |
| 14:47.21 | vi_ | They say, in the end it was the example apps that got him. |
| 14:47.44 | vi_ | Such is a life wasted on example apps, we shall not understand. |
| 14:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if Mohammad-'s life at his new location and with university became such interesting or such tough that he muffled completely |
| 14:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen Mohammad- |
| 14:49.58 | infobot | i haven't seen 'mohammad-', DocScrutinizer05 |
| 14:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | means he didn't post a single word |
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| 14:53.41 | merlin1991 | ~seen MohammadAG |
| 14:53.42 | infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 45d 21h 34m 8s ago, saying: 'will put up an example app'. |
| 14:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-10-06.log.html#t2012-10-06T22:54:29 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-09-01.log.html#t2012-09-01T18:09:10 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=mohammad |
| 14:55.50 | vi_ | laxsill: I do not think calander works. |
| 14:55.57 | vi_ | only contacts and email. |
| 14:56.38 | vi_ | and even then it is sketchy. |
| 14:56.50 | vi_ | Blame google for not using proper standards. |
| 14:56.56 | vi_ | shower of bastards. |
| 14:58.40 | laxsill | vi_and DocScrutinizer05: Thanks :-/ |
| 14:59.56 | vi_ | laxsill: have you considered using syncml for calander? |
| 15:00.06 | vi_ | Or even a middleman like memotoo? |
| 15:03.12 | vi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810 |
| 15:03.14 | vi_ | oh |
| 15:03.16 | vi_ | he has gone. |
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| 16:07.09 | merlin1991 | any tweego users in here? |
| 16:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's tweego? |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | meego based backseat entertainment system in twingo? |
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| 16:12.14 | akls | jade, |
| 16:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | EVOIDMSG |
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| 16:18.35 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: it's a twitter client |
| 16:18.38 | merlin1991 | for maemo |
| 16:18.46 | merlin1991 | formerly named twingo |
| 16:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, funny |
| 16:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | did Renault ask for the name change? |
| 16:30.20 | ShadowJK | hm, that's second time in 2 weeks that sgx has hung on my main N900 :/ |
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| 16:34.04 | SpeedEvil | :-) :-\ |
| 16:34.11 | kerio | :-( |
| 16:34.21 | vi_ | How do I open a file from the shell like I would do so from the file manager? |
| 16:34.38 | vi_ | That is, how do I invoke the mime type handler from the shell? |
| 16:34.53 | vi_ | for example I have calendar.ics. |
| 16:35.33 | vi_ | If I open it from osso-file manager it will recognise the type and ask if I would like to import it to the local calendar. |
| 16:35.40 | vi_ | How do I do this from the shell? |
| 16:37.04 | Skry | vi_: xdg-open file.ext |
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| 16:38.24 | Skry | thats how it should be done, no idea if it works in maemo |
| 16:41.04 | vi_ | well, there is no xdg-open program. |
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| 16:44.12 | Skry | oh the surprise |
| 16:46.15 | Skry | hmm, looks like there is xdg-utils for diablo |
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| 16:50.41 | Skry | and it also exists for harmattan |
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| 17:04.14 | joga | does someone know a simple arbitrary binary data visualization tool, that would basically give me a bitmap of the data and even allow zooming in the hex values or so and stretch it around etc, I basically want the same thing gimp does if you open a file as "Raw image data" but preferably with some hex editor features |
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| 17:37.55 | joga | hexplorer seems to do something like that.. |
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| 18:24.08 | internetishard | my geek ego can no longer handle my non-geek friends with iphone5s and android- galaxy's making fun of my n900. :( |
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| 18:25.58 | Skry | ignore and/or change friends. easy. |
| 18:26.32 | ShadowJK | thought it was normal that geeks/nerds were made fun of |
| 18:28.00 | akls | jade, |
| 18:28.19 | akls | internetishard, what do you mean by "making fun" ? |
| 18:28.46 | akls | I'm making fun of my android&iphone friends |
| 18:29.00 | akls | especially when I show them my physical keyboard |
| 18:29.06 | akls | and say that it has 32gb too |
| 18:29.10 | akls | and it is from 2009 |
| 18:29.30 | akls | and costed me only 75 from hands with just a little scratch. |
| 18:30.08 | akls | they look at it and tell me "fuck, I've bought my phone for 500 and it has 32 gb too and no keyboard" |
| 18:30.21 | raccoon_ | and you dont have to break the EULA to get access to a terminal prompt. |
| 18:30.34 | akls | and that moment they start to understand that something is wrong in their life |
| 18:30.34 | raccoon_ | or "install what you please", rather |
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| 18:47.11 | akls | internetishard, there was a nice thread about it |
| 18:48.06 | akls | internetishard, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70390 |
| 18:52.34 | internetishard | Thanks :) |
| 18:52.48 | internetishard | "change friends" -> you guys :P |
| 18:57.28 | Skry | aawww :> |
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| 19:07.29 | entitled | hi |
| 19:07.37 | akls | :> |
| 19:07.38 | akls | hi |
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| 19:08.16 | entitled | has anyone had problems with their 2g/3g connection while using thumb+pk51? |
| 19:08.32 | akls | jade, where are you! I hate you!! |
| 19:09.27 | entitled | mine loses the whole network (bars disappear and immediately appear) especially when the phone has been untouched for awhile and I start type something |
| 19:10.06 | entitled | I lose my connection to the shell but might get some commands/characters through before it happens |
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| 19:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | entitled: immediately flash standard stock maemo1.3 |
| 19:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | then check |
| 19:45.51 | kerio | what do you mean you lose connection to the shell? D: |
| 19:45.54 | kerio | you botched the kernel |
| 19:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | without installing anything else beyond virgin maemo1.3 |
| 19:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: let's hope it's just that |
| 19:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd get something to bitch about, and we wouldn't lose another N900 |
| 19:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't IRC while watching House ;-P |
| 19:47.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i have a working n900 (apart for the usb port) that's just sitting in a box |
| 19:47.22 | kerio | sometimes i open the box and laugh at it |
| 19:47.23 | kerio | ha ha |
| 19:47.26 | entitled | I mean irc shell |
| 19:47.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | entitled: you mean GPRS/modem/GSM |
| 19:47.52 | entitled | ye |
| 19:47.54 | kerio | oh |
| 19:48.15 | kerio | then your phonet might be fucked up |
| 19:48.24 | entitled | maybe |
| 19:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: see what I said |
| 19:48.34 | kerio | install backupmenu, make a full backup, reflash *all* the software! _ò/, then test |
| 19:48.46 | entitled | nothing to backup yet |
| 19:49.35 | entitled | I'll do it tomorrow and check |
| 19:49.41 | kerio | do it now! :c |
| 19:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:49.56 | kerio | or we won't be able to fall asleep |
| 19:50.06 | kerio | because we'll be so worried |
| 19:50.10 | entitled | I did drop this once (lightly) and it lost the sim card |
| 19:50.20 | entitled | the other n900 has survived far worse |
| 19:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: if user says he does it tomorrow, you should be happy he's not telling you to STFU |
| 19:50.36 | entitled | :D |
| 19:50.51 | entitled | I do appreciate all the help I'm getting |
| 19:50.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but i'll be happier if he falls to the pressure :D |
| 19:51.27 | entitled | just wanted to know if that issue is a "feature" or not |
| 19:51.44 | entitled | thank god I saved the application list this time with fas |
| 19:51.49 | kerio | entitled: if it's actually a hardware problem, then i'm afraid it's a common problem |
| 19:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's for sure not a feature, nor a known issue of thumb |
| 19:52.08 | entitled | ok |
| 19:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, what kerio said |
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| 19:52.39 | entitled | funny how it happens when I usually press some key after absence |
| 19:52.55 | kerio | that could just be the connection timing out |
| 19:53.09 | kerio | entitled: try different keys |
| 19:53.22 | kerio | (yes, it could make a difference) |
| 19:53.27 | entitled | for real? |
| 19:53.46 | kerio | if it's a hardware problem, it's a problem with some soldering |
| 19:53.55 | entitled | well I do the flash, maybe switch the sim for a while and rule out other possibilities |
| 19:53.56 | kerio | which could show up if you push on some part instead of some other |
| 19:54.00 | entitled | ye |
| 19:54.06 | kerio | grabbing a new sim is also a good thing to test, yes |
| 19:55.02 | entitled | gjuikfrdteopaslqpwföäcaxqdfkleakxrvb .öcpfävb.akripasdeqwöcpfäakxtÄpse |
| 19:55.05 | entitled | oops |
| 19:55.09 | kerio | hahahahahahahaha |
| 19:55.22 | entitled | is bending his n900 |
| 19:55.30 | kerio | yeah, don't do that :s |
| 19:56.08 | entitled | banging, pressing different keys hard etc doesen't seem to do nothing bad :p |
| 19:56.20 | kerio | hm |
| 19:56.36 | kerio | it could still be busted, but it could also be a problem with your sim or your operator |
| 19:56.56 | entitled | yup |
| 19:57.00 | entitled | might as well be the service provider, prepaid sim. didn't active |
| 19:57.08 | entitled | the monthly internet |
| 19:57.40 | entitled | at least few years ago, when the credit was running low on the phone, it started disconnecting randomly |
| 19:57.52 | entitled | *on the sim |
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| 19:58.41 | entitled | but that was back in the day with old S40 nokia and could have been something else too |
| 19:59.14 | entitled | but yeah, different sim, monthly payment, reflash, etc should tell what's the situation |
| 20:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | entitled: how long is the connectivity dropout? |
| 20:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it drop connection but instantly recover? |
| 20:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or does it stay offline for some time or even until reboot or whatever |
| 20:05.27 | kerio | hrmpf, doesn't QT use xkb like everything else? |
| 20:05.29 | entitled | instantly recovers |
| 20:05.37 | entitled | but still I get cut off |
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| 20:05.56 | kerio | my shift+fn+key combos don't work and the hold-key-to-sym nonsense is there, in yappari |
| 20:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | that sounds like a carrier problem then, most likely |
| 20:06.03 | entitled | if I lose connection momentarily in a train, even if it's a longer one I son't get dropped off |
| 20:06.10 | kerio | and the developer said that he only used the standard-issue QT input box |
| 20:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | more precisely, a problem with DHCP |
| 20:06.25 | trx | kerio yes, qt does not support xkb layouts |
| 20:06.34 | kerio | trx: what the fucking fuck |
| 20:06.43 | trx | but i checked that a while ago |
| 20:06.53 | trx | maybe it does in never versions |
| 20:07.00 | trx | newer* |
| 20:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | entitled: first try a different carrier/SIM |
| 20:07.55 | entitled | sure |
| 20:08.01 | trx | kerio if you find some work arrounds, please let me know |
| 20:08.16 | trx | my english is bad today :( |
| 20:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course a complete modem reset might cause exactly same symthoms |
| 20:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | entitled: thus please (install ksyslogd and) check syslog |
| 20:09.50 | entitled | (haven't had problems with this carrier on my other n900, but it might be due to the SIM or the fact I don't have monthly data subscription) |
| 20:10.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what the hell is wrong with QT? :s |
| 20:10.58 | kerio | why did they decide to reinvent xkb? |
| 20:12.18 | kerio | i'm angry! |
| 20:12.24 | kerio | i want to blame someone! |
| 20:13.51 | Cor-Ai | kerio: im here if you need a nick to blame :P |
| 20:14.08 | kerio | Cor-Ai: it's all your fault! |
| 20:14.13 | kerio | >:C |
| 20:14.20 | Cor-Ai | kerio: sorry :/ |
| 20:14.31 | kerio | aww, it's ok c: |
| 20:14.37 | Cor-Ai | :) |
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| 20:14.47 | Cor-Ai | feeling better now? |
| 20:15.26 | kerio | i still can't type accented letters in yappari :( |
| 20:15.39 | kerio | and i still can't hold-to-repeat-key |
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| 20:31.22 | entitled | ok i've switched the sims between the phones |
| 20:31.35 | entitled | initially the problem seems to persist |
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| 20:32.04 | entitled | at first it didn't want to find the sim and then it lost the sim when I switched from 2g to 3g |
| 20:32.14 | entitled | sometimes going offline remedies that? |
| 20:32.44 | entitled | after boot or two, I can switch between 2g and 3g |
| 20:33.13 | entitled | the sim card icon might flash few times before it works, not sure if it ever did that before or not |
| 20:33.43 | entitled | sysklogd is running |
| 20:33.59 | entitled | I'll see if I catch the problem in action |
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| 20:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIM not detected is the precise (though in fact incorrect) description of the hw problem |
| 20:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | to reset modem, you might need a complete power-down, not a straight reboot |
| 20:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had a moden fsckup just yesterday (it refused to do any data connectivity on 2G - switching back and forth between 2G and 3G didn't help, neither did airplane mode and back to online) |
| 20:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already been ready to blame my carrier the hard way, when I recalled I seemed to have seen saem thing a year ago, when I thought my carrier fsckd his 2G service for days, until I finally booted - not before I entered a shop and shouted a bit at them, about why there's no known out-of-order report known regarding that |
| 20:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so this time I thought "meh, it's just a boot" and actually, it was just a boot that's been needed |
| 20:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | all hail to TCP stack implemented in modem, on GPRS |
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| 21:08.04 | entitled | yeah I did boot |
| 21:08.32 | entitled | with removing the battery in-between, to re-check the sim |
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| 21:53.59 | ShadowJK | what soc has tcp stack in modem? |
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| 21:59.58 | SpeedEvil | many embeddable modems |
| 22:00.08 | SpeedEvil | telit AHS one |
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| 22:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: look at lsmod on N900 |
| 22:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: well, maybe that doesn't help |
| 22:16.39 | ShadowJK | N900's tcp stack is certainly not in the modem ;p |
| 22:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: actually I never looked into it myself, I just heard at least lower half of tcp/ip stack is inside modem for GPRS |
| 22:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's GPRS data stack under any TCP layer |
| 22:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think you could fake MAC of a modem |
| 22:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also quite sure there's no broadcast as we know it, and no promiscuous mode ;-P |
| 22:19.23 | ShadowJK | I don't know what this "lower half" is, but you can even generate the IP level stuff yourself, which I think qualifies as entire tcp/ip stack in linux |
| 22:19.36 | ShadowJK | Those things are ethernet things, not tcp/ip |
| 22:19.45 | ShadowJK | and we're not running ethernet here :P |
| 22:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 22:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually we're running PPPoE iirc |
| 22:20.37 | ShadowJK | no |
| 22:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be true (or not) only for UMTS |
| 22:21.28 | ShadowJK | pnatd emulated a dialup modem though, pnatd is what you get over the bluetooth dun channel |
| 22:21.34 | ShadowJK | emulates* |
| 22:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know what pnatd is |
| 22:22.16 | ShadowJK | There a usb gprs/umts/hspa modems that emulate ethernet too, like n900 can do on usb |
| 22:22.33 | ShadowJK | the ethernet level stuff is just for talking with the modem though |
| 22:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably the easiest way to eliminate all misconceptions was to start wireshark on isi |
| 22:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it shows nicely dissected data packages, and at least from them I could tell what protocol it's using on that layer |
| 22:25.26 | ShadowJK | I think that'd look like ip inside isi inside phonet |
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| 22:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | for all I know GPRS has an own connection management plus ACK/NACK |
| 22:26.08 | ShadowJK | it does |
| 22:26.15 | ShadowJK | but modem hides it |
| 22:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's where I basically came from |
| 22:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what exactly a stack the bb5 is running, but it got fecked up on my 2G only, while 3G still worked |
| 22:27.37 | ShadowJK | Like you could maybe see the phonet/isi that's used between modem and omap, but then modem takes the IP and puts it inside gprs |
| 22:28.52 | ShadowJK | Mine often gets stuck on 3g now. Around the time it started happening operator called trying to send me more 3g saying 3g had been improved recently in my area |
| 22:29.24 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing "improved" means they told all phones to try a little bit too hard to maintain the 3g icon :P |
| 22:30.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders how C1/C2 criteria analoga for handover from 3G to 2G are implemented |
| 22:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I got no friggin clue about UMTS |
| 22:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | only about GSM |
| 22:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even more interesting: how's the handover from 2G to 3G defined, since that has to be an addendum |
| 22:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | amendment, augmentment? |
| 22:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm rather sure they hadn't anything for that in original GSM specs |
| 22:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, they must have something for genuine roaming |
| 22:35.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe roaming to 3G is not that different |
| 22:37.37 | ShadowJK | some phones show separate listing for 2g and 3g when you do network search |
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