| 00:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 00:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway a binary that simply "doesn't start" is probably rather rare, either you get an error msg from shell about some problems with permissions or whatnot, or a msg from loader which can't figure how to link the libs, or a msg about some segfault or whatever other reason for premature abort of program execution |
| 00:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or binary itself will print some diagnostic output before it terminates "normally" yet in an unexpected way |
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| 00:18.23 | qwazix | Just read yesterday's backlog. I noticed you were talking about the led and shutdown. Nokia added a feature to the N9 in PR1.3 (or was it 1.2) that the led stays on until last second. Maybe a close inspection of the N9 kernel (or diff with PR1.1) could provide a solution that can be applied to the N900. |
| 00:22.17 | entitled | doc: well after starting it from the shell, it now works from the shortcut also... |
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| 00:23.13 | teotwaki | am I the only one who was unable to parse the emails regarding Texrat's stepping down (maemo-community) |
| 00:23.50 | teotwaki | "Thanks Texrat, for withdrawing your candidacy just few hours, after 86 people voted for you, and voting got closed. It helped estabilishing foundation a *much*, really..." |
| 00:24.31 | beford | he did it on the forums |
| 00:24.55 | beford | there was some fight with freemangordon and some others about something he posted |
| 00:25.00 | teotwaki | nha |
| 00:25.05 | teotwaki | I do understand what happened |
| 00:25.07 | beford | ahh |
| 00:25.11 | qwazix | He didn't really step down. It was just an angry outburst |
| 00:25.20 | qwazix | He apologized already |
| 00:25.28 | beford | well I can't understand Estel's crap either |
| 00:25.35 | qwazix | And stated he won't resign |
| 00:25.43 | teotwaki | it's just the engrish used in the emails that is illegible |
| 00:27.57 | qwazix | G'night |
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| 00:33.25 | Hurrian | so, the email that was sent out was a false alarm? |
| 00:41.21 | beford | Estel trolling |
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| 00:54.17 | Hurrian | welp. |
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| 01:23.49 | Luke-Jr | BAH |
| 01:23.57 | Luke-Jr | 2 new USB chargers and N900 doesn't recognize either⁇? |
| 01:25.46 | GGon | broken port |
| 01:25.57 | GGon | heh |
| 01:28.58 | beford | a new n900 should fix that |
| 01:29.33 | Luke-Jr | GGon: no, it still works in car & PC |
| 01:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? |
| 01:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | texrat stepped down? |
| 01:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 01:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: genuine Nokia chargers? |
| 01:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: if not, get the damn D+- short fixed on those chargers |
| 01:32.34 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: no, one is a 4-port dedicated USB charger, and the other is a 7-port self-powered USB hub |
| 01:34.01 | Luke-Jr | bah! |
| 01:34.07 | Luke-Jr | the USB hub isn't working at all it seems |
| 01:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the 4port dedicated charger should get D+- short. For the hub though that's not the preferred method ;-D |
| 01:34.26 | Luke-Jr | and more annoyingly, it's really 2x 4-port USB hubs internally |
| 01:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems there's a spec saying there must be 4-port hubs only. I dunno of any other hub chips |
| 01:35.43 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer: SMSC USB2507/USB2517, TI TUSB2077A, and REA uPD720113 |
| 01:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so one of the 4 primary ports is linked to upstream of next hub chip == 7 downstream ports available |
| 01:36.00 | Luke-Jr | and NEC Corp 0409:0050, which this hub was SUPPOSED to be |
| 01:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, hubs don't work too great for charging |
| 01:37.56 | Luke-Jr | well, I got the charger for that :/ |
| 01:38.53 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, some powered hubs feed back power to the host. |
| 01:39.34 | Hurrian | it'd be interesting to test with those - it'll certainly alleviate the problems with using hostmode on the N900 |
| 01:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: that's just the dirty dozen that can't even afford proper decoupling by a diode at least |
| 01:40.04 | Luke-Jr | ok, USB hub seems to be charging now that it's in a port it likes |
| 01:40.23 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: this D+- nonsense easy to fix, or should I just return it? |
| 01:40.34 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, it was an annoyance on my desktop, where it kept the LPC on even after shutdown |
| 01:40.46 | Hurrian | rewiring the "on" LED made for a nice solution |
| 01:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | open up charger, solder a short to green and yellow wire |
| 01:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | resp to the middle two NC contacts of the USB-F of each port |
| 01:42.30 | Luke-Jr | oh, if relevant; seems to be powering RPi |
| 01:42.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, irrelevant |
| 01:42.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least you know it works ;-) |
| 01:43.00 | Luke-Jr | I don't know that yet |
| 01:43.10 | Luke-Jr | it's supposed to be 1A per port, no idea how to test that |
| 01:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be more concerned it would deliver 4A to one port, without any hesitation |
| 01:44.33 | Luke-Jr | would that be bad? |
| 01:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | might suffice to unsolder the receptacle or plug |
| 01:45.38 | Luke-Jr | O.o |
| 01:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5V * 4A = 20W :-o |
| 01:46.01 | Luke-Jr | hmm, I'm guessing it doesn't provide 1A since the RPi is doing zero network activity |
| 01:46.06 | Luke-Jr | well, it says 2A max |
| 01:46.15 | Luke-Jr | so I'm guessing I can't use more than 2 ports at 1A |
| 01:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | plug in a plug with a short over VBUS, and watch the whole thing melt down |
| 01:47.52 | Luke-Jr | no way to open this thing afaict |
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| 01:50.55 | Luke-Jr | any way to see charge current on N900? |
| 01:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so one of the 4 primary ports is linked to upstream of next hub chip == 7 downstream ports availablebq27k-detail |
| 01:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 01:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq27k-detail |
| 01:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes *strange* things happen on this laptop |
| 01:53.28 | jon_y | speaking of USB hubs, why aren't USB3 hubs easy to find yet? :( |
| 01:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because usb3 is rather exotic? |
| 01:54.39 | jon_y | I went to a store yesterday and found no USB 3 hubs |
| 01:54.46 | Luke-Jr | you buy things at stores? |
| 01:54.54 | jon_y | they had those exotic 7 port hubs though |
| 01:55.07 | jon_y | Luke-Jr: goverment tax on anything imported |
| 01:55.08 | Luke-Jr | real 7 port hubs are hard to find it seems |
| 01:55.30 | jon_y | yes, they open your ebay packages |
| 01:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | (4 -1) + 4 |
| 01:55.57 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: know where to find devices based on SMSC USB2507/USB2517, TI TUSB2077A, and REA uPD720113 ? |
| 01:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 01:56.19 | Luke-Jr | cat: can't open '/sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx_pwm.0/hdq.0/hdq/dump': No such file or directory |
| 01:56.22 | jon_y | customs and shipping cost makes it expensive when you can just walk down to a store and get it right now with no wait |
| 01:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | google and fleabay are my only friends |
| 01:57.15 | jon_y | I know some of my friends travel about 500KM just to get some hardware :) |
| 01:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: seems you picked an ancient version of my famous bq27k-detail script? |
| 01:57.28 | Luke-Jr | first google result ;P |
| 01:57.37 | Luke-Jr | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail |
| 01:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | google for bq27k-detail2 |
| 01:58.05 | jon_y | does USB 3 allow for more power draw? |
| 01:58.06 | GGon | lol |
| 01:58.14 | Luke-Jr | yes |
| 01:58.15 | GGon | openmoko!! |
| 01:58.33 | jon_y | Luke-Jr: answering my question? |
| 01:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or get ShadowJK's bq27200.sh |
| 01:59.01 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: where to get i2cdump? :/ |
| 01:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or get ShadowJK's bq27200.sh |
| 01:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | though i2ctools is in extras-devel too |
| 01:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even in extras |
| 02:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k |
| 02:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 02:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues bq27 |
| 02:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27200 |
| 02:01.11 | infobot | somebody said bq27k-detail was http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 02:02.37 | GGon | wish i could install maemo or meego on my lumia 900 |
| 02:02.46 | Luke-Jr | weird, this i2c-tools package is hanging apt |
| 02:02.50 | Luke-Jr | s/apt/dpkg |
| 02:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ |
| 02:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's just displaying something on your hildon desktop |
| 02:03.50 | Luke-Jr | lame |
| 02:03.59 | Luke-Jr | do people actually look at the display? :P |
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| 02:05.43 | Luke-Jr | what am I looking for in the output? :x |
| 02:06.14 | GGon | hm |
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| 02:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | keep in mind that bq27200 is just gas gauge for battery, while charger chip also has to power your system, so power drawn from USB = batcharge power + system power |
| 02:07.24 | Luke-Jr | I don't see either of those on the output :/ |
| 02:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 02:08.06 | Luke-Jr | http://codepad.org/yUeJiRdB |
| 02:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | in bq27k-detail you wanna look for AI |
| 02:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | in bq27200.sh it is 4th col (mA) |
| 02:10.42 | Luke-Jr | 0x15 - 0x14: 1738 AI Average Current High - Low Byte 3.57 µV (1) R |
| 02:10.44 | Luke-Jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess for everyday usage bq27200.sh is more convenient |
| 02:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp in loop mode |
| 02:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq27200.sh 5 |
| 02:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway a hint: if TTE=65535 it's charging |
| 02:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | if TTF=65535 it's discharging |
| 02:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | AI value will change sign too, but nobody can remember what means negative and what positive |
| 02:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems your system is discharging battery with 311mA, not entirely insane value |
| 02:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you'd attach it to a 500mA standard USB host, you get (500mA *5v /4V)-311mA as charging value for battery |
| 02:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | OhFsck! 統 振 股 份 有 限 公 司 WELLDONE COMPANY: "...When discharged at 240mA to2.75V after standart charge at 25°C" I always thought this bullshit "stand-art" is a typical german brainfart "typo" |
| 02:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | now chinese do that as well :-S |
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| 02:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/PACK950925.pdf p.7 ff PTC specs |
| 02:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, nope |
| 02:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | page 52 |
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| 02:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly p.60 |
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| 09:51.15 | akls | my n900 rebooted and asked for a pin code while I was sleeping. How can I see what was the reason? |
| 09:51.55 | kerio | akls: /proc/bootreason is a start |
| 09:53.16 | akls | sw_rst |
| 09:53.47 | kerio | something rebooted |
| 09:53.59 | kerio | do you have syslog installed? |
| 09:55.03 | akls | I did not install it |
| 09:55.08 | akls | so I guess that no |
| 09:55.37 | kerio | anything weird going on? |
| 09:56.12 | akls | no, everything is fine. But last night I've opened my easy debian chroot and started upgrading it |
| 09:56.16 | akls | but the upgrade has finished |
| 09:56.22 | akls | successfully, I guess |
| 09:56.29 | akls | because everything is fine with apt-get |
| 09:56.43 | kerio | ever had any problems with the phone? |
| 09:56.57 | akls | nope, I have it just for 4 days :) |
| 09:57.36 | kerio | just stock fremantle then? |
| 09:57.42 | kerio | was the battery charged? |
| 09:57.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: *poke* |
| 09:57.50 | akls | no, community ssu testing |
| 09:58.02 | akls | it was connected to my pc via usb charger |
| 09:58.06 | akls | and the battery is ok |
| 09:59.33 | akls | kerio, should I install syslog and then wait for the next time it happens? |
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| 10:13.27 | kerio | i suppose |
| 10:14.09 | akls | so, about "apt-get upgrade" in easy debian... It makes the device hang and reboot forcing you to reinstall easy debian |
| 10:14.24 | akls | so I've made a little script that upgrades the packages one by one |
| 10:14.27 | akls | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/update1by1 |
| 10:14.40 | kerio | oooh, i think i know what went wrong then |
| 10:14.43 | akls | it requires apt-show-versions to be installed |
| 10:14.56 | kerio | ShadowJK can probably back me up on this |
| 10:15.10 | kerio | akls: IO intensive things make everything slow to a crawl |
| 10:15.24 | kerio | and there's a watchdog that reboots the system if it isn't tickled every $something seconds |
| 10:15.48 | akls | kerio, I was upgrading with my script. And upgrade has finished successfully |
| 10:15.57 | akls | so it's not the reason |
| 10:15.59 | kerio | then idk |
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| 10:17.12 | kerio | anyway, i've got http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1873316 this at the end of /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 10:17.53 | akls | what's that? |
| 10:18.03 | akls | I mean what is it going to do? |
| 10:18.16 | kerio | speed up I/O quite dramatically |
| 10:18.26 | kerio | at the cost of a bit more ram used for I/O |
| 10:18.50 | kerio | ShadowJK: is that right? |
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| 10:28.14 | kerio | oh my fucking god what the hell is wrong with the easydebian developer |
| 10:29.16 | Sicelo | qole? |
| 10:30.36 | kerio | putting files in /root/ and /home/user, cycling a swap partition without even checking that it's there, overwriting /sys/block/mmcblk*/queue/nr_requests |
| 10:32.44 | kerio | it's almost worse than easy-chroot's "user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL" |
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| 10:39.19 | djszapi | http://imagebin.org/232698 -> Hey, how can I insert a sim card safely into my new n900? |
| 10:39.40 | djszapi | I recall that previously it was simple to remove the relevant cover, but it does not seem so now. |
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| 10:40.20 | kerio | i don't get the meaning of that picture |
| 10:40.33 | kerio | the sim is below the battery |
| 10:40.51 | djszapi | ah yes, I am confusing this with the N950. |
| 10:41.04 | djszapi | thank you! |
| 10:41.22 | kerio | those are all buttons! D: |
| 10:41.27 | djszapi | yep |
| 10:41.40 | djszapi | long time I have used N900 :D |
| 10:42.04 | djszapi | but I have no other fallback phone here now ^^ |
| 10:43.01 | Psotnick | Anyone knows is there a script that is triggered by opening/closing the back cover? |
| 10:43.12 | djszapi | so how can I get the back off |
| 10:43.42 | kerio | djszapi: idk, a thumbnail |
| 10:44.36 | Psotnick | djszapi: on the right side of the phone (in landscape) you've got a place to stick your nail in. Place it there and pull it |
| 10:44.40 | MrPingu | kerio: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1873364 |
| 10:45.37 | kerio | MrPingu: oh, neat |
| 10:45.40 | kerio | what's "service" there? |
| 10:45.56 | kerio | also, why the stop directive? |
| 10:46.05 | kerio | and why don't you run it earlier? |
| 10:46.22 | MrPingu | http://wiki.maemo.org/Startup_script |
| 10:46.28 | MrPingu | took just the example script :P |
| 10:46.39 | djszapi | Psotnick: ok, if that is safe ok then. |
| 10:47.03 | Psotnick | djszapi: it should be safe I do it like that ;) |
| 10:47.06 | djszapi | I thought there would have been a button (or two) to press to get that automatically off. |
| 10:47.17 | MrPingu | kerio: What would you propose then? |
| 10:47.20 | Sicelo | djszapi: it's safe, although it 'sounds' dangerous :p |
| 10:47.27 | kerio | the end of rcS :) |
| 10:47.44 | kerio | unless those parameters get overwritten afterwards |
| 10:48.19 | djszapi | Sicelo: Psotnick thank you. |
| 10:49.08 | Psotnick | djszapi: no problem |
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| 10:50.07 | kerio | MrPingu: where have you taken those parameters? |
| 10:50.13 | kerio | page-cluster 0 seems weird |
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| 10:50.51 | MrPingu | FMG, on a post in the easy-debian thread |
| 10:51.06 | kerio | oh freemangordon <3 |
| 10:51.55 | MrPingu | http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=1200669#post1200669 |
| 10:52.38 | MrPingu | Increased nr_requests acording to ShadowJK |
| 10:56.30 | djszapi | is the n900 sim lock free? |
| 10:57.49 | djszapi | my vodafone sim card does not get recognized after the boot, apparently. |
| 10:59.37 | djszapi | I got this instance at the meego summit after the meegathon competition. |
| 10:59.54 | djszapi | so probably not from the operators, but directly from Nokia. |
| 11:01.04 | djszapi | hm, it was ok for the second boot. |
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| 11:18.43 | Psotnick | How can I obtain omap_hsmmc.c from N900 kerel power? |
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| 11:35.43 | ShadowJK | I think N900 has the capability to do simlock |
| 11:36.31 | ShadowJK | Now whether you bought N900 from an operator or from a normal shop without operator contracts, and if operator locked it or not, is the question :P |
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| 12:39.52 | akls | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-21-153943_160x29_scrot.png hahahahha |
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| 12:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ((what about that thermistor?)) nice table with values, from -40 to +120 |
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| 12:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<akls> so I've made a little script that upgrades the packages one by one <akls> kerio, I was upgrading with my script. And upgrade has finished successfully)) how do you even know? does your script some logging, or rise a flag file when done? |
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| 12:51.10 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, what do you mean? O_o |
| 12:51.36 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, it just gets the list of upgradable packages and then upgrades them one by one |
| 12:51.42 | akls | and sleeps for 20 seconds between each other |
| 12:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: when your N900 reboots at arbitrary time, how would you tell your script had finished at that time? |
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| 12:52.14 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, oh, apt-get upgrade says that there are no packages to upgrade |
| 12:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 12:52.24 | akls | and that dpkg was not interrupted |
| 12:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | my personal suspicion is that your PC stopped charging |
| 12:53.47 | akls | maybe I'm a psycho, but I'm trying to load eclipse in easy debian |
| 12:54.40 | akls | holy shit |
| 12:54.41 | akls | it works |
| 12:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, why not |
| 12:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got a pretty standard PC with a debian and a ~250MHz "real" CPU, with 200MB RAM and 700MB swap |
| 12:56.09 | akls | it crashed O_o |
| 12:56.46 | kerio | yep, sounds like eclipse |
| 12:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's not exactly a surprise for any eclipse, no? ;-) |
| 12:57.00 | akls | no |
| 12:57.12 | akls | It crashed only once in my 5 years experience |
| 12:57.21 | akls | maybe twice |
| 12:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 12:57.40 | akls | maybe I'm just too lucky |
| 12:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you used eclipse onle once, maybe twice ? ;-P |
| 12:59.31 | akls | no, I'm using it a lot |
| 12:59.35 | Psotnick | Anyone knows how can I make my N900 think that the back cover is always on? My sensor's probably broken and I can't use microsd cards. |
| 12:59.36 | akls | mostly for java development |
| 12:59.42 | akls | sometimes c++ or python |
| 13:00.08 | akls | Psotnick, what do you mean by "back cover is always on" ? |
| 13:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psotnick: not your sensor is broken, your cover is. missing magnet |
| 13:00.18 | akls | I thought there's no sensor for back cover? |
| 13:00.25 | akls | only for the camera thing |
| 13:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is a hall switch |
| 13:00.39 | Psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: the magnet is on |
| 13:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | detecting stand magnet |
| 13:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 13:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | try with a better magnet, for a start |
| 13:01.10 | akls | it crashed again.. hmm.. |
| 13:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psotnick: it's actually hard to fake that sensor/hallswitch |
| 13:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik it's embedded deeply in mmc driver |
| 13:02.15 | Psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: tried with a magnet from a case, they're pretty strong |
| 13:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | no luck? |
| 13:02.31 | kerio | are you sure you placed it correctly? |
| 13:02.40 | Psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: no |
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| 13:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know where's that sensor? |
| 13:03.05 | Psotnick | kerio: I tried with a lot of combinations |
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| 13:03.44 | Psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: under the place where the magnet is, between battery and slot |
| 13:04.19 | kerio | i thought it was between usd and camera |
| 13:05.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: isn't it a hardware thing to completely disable the slot when the sensor doesn't detect the backcover? |
| 13:05.44 | Psotnick | kerio: probably not, there's a driver for that omap_hsmmc |
| 13:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 13:07.16 | Psotnick | Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 13:07.16 | Psotnick | open |
| 13:07.32 | kerio | stupid thing: try echoing "closed" to it :3 |
| 13:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch -n 1 /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 13:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | then try with a proper magnet |
| 13:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all it *might* really be defect |
| 13:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the magnet in cover is the little one holding the stand |
| 13:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the center under the silver frame around cam slider |
| 13:09.36 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: weren't you saying something about reversing that GPIO pin and turning it on? |
| 13:09.38 | Psotnick | watch says permission denied |
| 13:09.52 | kerio | Psotnick: watch -n 1 cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 13:09.55 | akls | eclipse is extremely slow :D no surprise |
| 13:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks |
| 13:10.17 | Psotnick | kerio: oh, thanks. I missed that |
| 13:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | is missing coffee |
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| 13:10.53 | Psotnick | it says open all the time |
| 13:11.03 | kerio | Psotnick: :( |
| 13:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I once suggested something along that line, yes |
| 13:11.36 | akls | oh wait.. not that slow |
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| 13:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psotnick: I guess mmc_host is the driver, and cover_switch is where it deals with this hall-sensor very directly |
| 13:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to build your own mmc_host driver I guess |
| 13:14.03 | kerio | is that driver open? |
| 13:14.08 | kerio | why hasn't anybody fixed it, then? |
| 13:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's kernel, so yes? |
| 13:14.18 | Psotnick | It's open, I've got the sources |
| 13:15.00 | Psotnick | But it's too hard for me to understand the code |
| 13:15.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure it's not also a purely hardware thing? |
| 13:15.20 | kerio | (note the "also") |
| 13:16.10 | Psotnick | I thought about replacing all 'mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state' with 1, but I don't know what 'mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state(host->dev, host->slot_id)' stands for |
| 13:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yep, I'm quite sure |
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| 13:21.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: N5820 "Main Camera Cover Switch" goes to SoC pin C26 "CAM_D11" GPIO. No relation whatsoever to mmc-interface hw block |
| 13:22.10 | kerio | k |
| 13:23.16 | Psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: the sensor can be fixed only with new motherboard? |
| 13:25.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops sorry, I told BS |
| 13:27.29 | Psotnick | BS? |
| 13:27.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | N5210 "uSD card hotswap sensor" connects to SoC GPIO160 (pin T21) "McBSP1_CLKS". So the basic rationale stays the same: not related to uSD hw interface |
| 13:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psotnick: (new MoBo) that depends what's defect |
| 13:34.17 | Psotnick | Ok, I see, thank you for your time |
| 13:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if sensor N5210 or ESD-EMI-filter Z5210 are defect, or maybe R5210 or C5212, then you could fix the component |
| 13:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I *always* suggest reflashing a clean pure maemo fremantle pr1.3 and then retest |
| 13:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psotnick: ^^^ |
| 13:35.36 | Psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: I tried that already |
| 13:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 13:36.41 | kerio | Psotnick: try the gpio thing! |
| 13:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the brute force "fix" (if SoC still ok): remove R5210, short "lower end" of R5210 to GND |
| 13:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or what kerio said |
| 13:37.57 | jon_y | hey, anybody know how to make fmms stop auto rotating? |
| 13:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'd ask somebody else to first test it on their device if it actually works |
| 13:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 13:38.09 | jon_y | I tried blacklisting but it's python |
| 13:38.13 | Psotnick | I'm too dumb to understand you guys |
| 13:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psotnick: there's a generic way to handle GPIO in linux, via sysfs |
| 13:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the sensor is connected to GPIO160 |
| 13:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could define GPIO160 as output, and then set it to 1/on/high, which would - in theory - signal any process watching this GPIO (mmc_host) that the cover is closed |
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| 13:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2012-10-21 15:16:10] <Psotnick> I thought about replacing all 'mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state' with 1, but I don't know what 'mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state(host->dev, host->slot_id)' stands for)) sounds like a pretty good plan as well |
| 13:43.14 | Psotnick | Okay, I think I understand |
| 13:44.21 | Psotnick | I'm afraid that I can't even compile it |
| 13:47.24 | Psotnick | Also if that fails, would simple kernel reflash fix that? |
| 13:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: sure |
| 13:47.36 | kerio | Psotnick: isn't it a module? |
| 13:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: prolly monolithic |
| 13:47.56 | Psotnick | kerio: yes, It is |
| 13:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, it's a *.ko?? |
| 13:48.31 | kerio | omap_hsmmc, mmc_block, mmc_core |
| 13:48.33 | kerio | one of those |
| 13:49.10 | Psotnick | omap_hsmmc.ko is responsible for back cover open/closed status |
| 13:49.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | modinfo: could not find module map_hsmmc |
| 13:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, my bad |
| 13:51.35 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: put python in blacklist? |
| 13:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: how about starting fmms not via "python fmms.py" but simply via "fmms.py" like any other proper script with proper shebang line? |
| 13:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess CSSU rotation blacklist goes for $0 |
| 13:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or *maybe* it even goes for window title - sorry I have NFC |
| 13:54.12 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: I don't know, it was started from the app menu |
| 13:54.21 | jon_y | I guess I can start it manually |
| 13:54.47 | jon_y | which user does it run as, I hope I don't need root |
| 13:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess pasting the *full* ps line here (from htop if you have no proper ps) will tell us a lot |
| 13:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | also looking into the .desktop will enlighten us a bit |
| 13:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no fmms here, so I can't help on that |
| 13:55.55 | jon_y | oh ok, just a normal user |
| 13:56.41 | jon_y | 8825 user 2215 python /opt/fmms/fmmsd.py |
| 13:57.00 | jon_y | and another .... user .... python /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py |
| 13:57.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | head -n 2 /opt/fmms/fmmsd.py |
| 13:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | head -n 2 /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py |
| 13:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a proper python shebang? |
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| 13:58.29 | jon_y | #!/usr/bin/env python2.5 |
| 13:58.38 | jon_y | I guess it sort of has |
| 13:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | frals: why is fmms started as "python $fmms" ? |
| 13:58.58 | jon_y | sorry, ps says python2.5 too |
| 13:59.25 | jon_y | where are the .desktop files to edit? |
| 13:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/apps/hildon/ |
| 13:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or sth |
| 14:01.02 | jon_y | hmm, Exec=/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py |
| 14:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm indeed |
| 14:03.11 | jon_y | btw, x terminal -> new opens a new console |
| 14:03.17 | jon_y | how do I get back the old one? |
| 14:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 14:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | switch to the other window? |
| 14:04.00 | jon_y | ugh, I feel stupid :( |
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| 14:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: please quit fmms |
| 14:05.09 | jon_y | I think /usr/bin/env is starting the python |
| 14:05.13 | jon_y | ok |
| 14:05.22 | akls | YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 14:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: then start it from console, like `/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py` |
| 14:05.36 | akls | finally my favorite music player moc on my phone!!! |
| 14:05.37 | jon_y | yeah, I did that, python2.5 is still there |
| 14:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang! |
| 14:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin python |
| 14:05.58 | akls | running in easy debian, but still |
| 14:06.13 | akls | I wonder if it drains more or less battery than native n900 music player... |
| 14:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: we'll fix that in CSSU eventually |
| 14:06.29 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: thanks |
| 14:06.35 | jon_y | you guys are awesome |
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| 14:06.43 | akls | ^ agreed |
| 14:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already thought blacklist needs regex |
| 14:07.07 | jon_y | does hildon-desktop need restarting if I change the blacklist? |
| 14:07.37 | jon_y | regex can get kind of funky if everything is in one line |
| 14:07.57 | jon_y | make it m-m-m-multiline? :) |
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| 14:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure it's still multiline :-P |
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| 14:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't hurt to get simple shell patterns in the names |
| 14:10.38 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: it is? the example had everything in one line |
| 14:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm? |
| 14:11.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I have nfc, never looked into a real blacklist |
| 14:11.07 | Psotnick | How can I get sources for kernel power? |
| 14:11.37 | jon_y | nah, I prefer regex, glob can get crazynfc? |
| 14:11.41 | jon_y | oops |
| 14:11.45 | jon_y | nfc? |
| 14:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 14:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a single friggin line in transitions.ini |
| 14:12.06 | jon_y | no like glob |
| 14:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~nfc |
| 14:12.27 | infobot | [nfc] No Fucking Clue, or near field communications |
| 14:12.35 | jon_y | oh ok |
| 14:13.08 | jon_y | new blacklist.ini? one entry per line? |
| 14:13.27 | jon_y | or blacklist.conf since it has little to no ini structure to it |
| 14:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: that's been my requirement specs for blacklist, somebody ignored it :-S |
| 14:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I specified a dir hildon-blacklist.d/ |
| 14:14.44 | jon_y | yes, that would be easier for apps to tell hildon they can't rotate right |
| 14:14.53 | jon_y | or even whitelist.d |
| 14:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | since we all know the PITA that comes from managing one-line edits in post-install post-remove scripts |
| 14:15.25 | jon_y | auto rotate can now be ternary, yes, no, auto |
| 14:15.38 | jon_y | yes means rotate all except blacklisted |
| 14:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I can prod somebody to add that silly little patch to cssu H-D |
| 14:15.49 | jon_y | no means no rotate at all |
| 14:15.58 | jon_y | auto means rotate only whitelist |
| 14:16.20 | jon_y | well, ternary looks good on paper |
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| 14:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe I have to implement those patches myself :-S |
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| 14:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1) allow whitespace in blacklist items, for exact matching against full cmdline: blacklist= "appname1 parmeter1 parameter2" |
| 14:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2) allow shell patterns: blacklist= "appname1 *" |
| 14:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3) allow multiple lines: blacklist= "appname1" \n blacklist= "appname2" |
| 14:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4) allow new parameter "blacklistinclude = /path/to/file/with/shellpatterns*", to 'source' all files that result from pathname expansion of the shell patterns in path parameter |
| 14:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | in those files, same blacklist related syntax applies as in original transitions.ini |
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| 14:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it makes sense to forbid blacklistinclude in included files, when stuff gets coded properly |
| 14:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so 4a) it's user's responsibility to not define circular blacklistinclude. Nevertheless we may define a max nesting depth of maybe 10, after which H-D aborts evaluation of transitions.ini and throws an error to logging but doesn't exit |
| 14:34.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: or just /etc/hildondesktop.conf and /etc/hildondesktop.conf.d/* |
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| 14:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, I prefer to define arbitrary include patterns, so we *could* for example run over all blacklistinclude=/usr/share/apps/hildon/*.desktop |
| 14:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | since this windows-configfile syntax allows for arbitrary crap parameters in a file that simply get ignored when unknown, it would be pretty perfect to scan all .desktop for a parameter "blacklist=$me" |
| 14:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you appreciate that idea |
| 14:38.27 | kerio | sounds like a mess |
| 14:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | heh? |
| 14:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? where? which mess? |
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| 14:40.09 | kerio | there's no "blacklist" parameter in .desktop files |
| 14:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 14:40.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't mean we can't add one |
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| 14:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | if we feel like |
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| 14:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | see freedesktop.org specs of .desktop format |
| 14:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it explicitly allows arbitrary parameters that simply get ignored by all the processes that don't know them |
| 14:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 14:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | in fact H-D acts exactly according to that |
| 14:43.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I accidentally tested it just so often, by adding something that had a typo |
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| 14:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I forgot to explicitly mention it |
| 14:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4b) of course multiple lines "blacklistinclude=" are allowed |
| 14:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4c) each include is executed ad hoc, and later definitions override earlier ones, if conflicting |
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| 14:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | (technically all blacklist= parameters are kept in an internal list that gets scanned from end to start for first entry defining about rotation of the app under evaluation) |
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| 14:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((footnote: while this last definition is meaningless for current blacklist, it starts to become relevant when we also get whitelist entries that are added to same list)) |
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| 14:53.51 | Psotnick | What should I write to /etc/apt/sources.list to use extras/devel? |
| 14:54.45 | Psotnick | Oh, it worked |
| 14:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4c1) TBD when this list gets refreshed, possible events to trigger refresh are: start of H-D (obviously), opening of taskswitcher screen, inotify evens (TBD), SIGHUP/SIGUSR1 |
| 14:54.57 | akls | moc eats 100% cpu on easy debian. Is there anything I can do with it? |
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| 14:56.05 | Sicelo | Psotnick: iirc HAM overwrites that each time. i think /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list is more permant |
| 14:56.11 | Sicelo | *permanent |
| 14:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, exactly |
| 14:56.43 | Psotnick | Sicelo: I know, just noticed that ;) |
| 14:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better: add your own files to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 14:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, 'better' is relative here |
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| 15:04.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | errrr /usr/lib/testserver/modules/handlers/sos_switch.so.0 o.O .oO(???) |
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| 15:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is this testserver? |
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| 15:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Report bugs to Paul Mundt <paul.mundt@nokia.com>" |
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| 15:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | is tempted to do a `start test` or `start local` |
| 15:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | less /etc/event.d/testserver |
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| 15:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh LOL: preinit: >> STATE=`getbootstate` echo_g "Entering state '$STATE'." case $STATE in ... LOCAL|TEST) def_runlevel=3 << |
| 15:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what makes getbootstate respond "TEST" ? |
| 15:23.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | test-battery? |
| 15:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHA the notorious >> echo_g "Houston, we have a problem, powering off..." << X-P |
| 15:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | KTNXBYE! |
| 15:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# getbootstate --help |
| 15:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | getbootstate: Unexpected reset occured. Using previous bootstate 'USER' |
| 15:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | USER |
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| 15:34.04 | cityLights | are there any cycling ppl here? |
| 15:34.09 | cityLights | #cycling seems empty |
| 15:34.21 | cityLights | I want to ask a question about cycling in the alps |
| 15:34.34 | cityLights | guessing some ppl here are near the alps |
| 15:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, wrong channel |
| 15:35.03 | cityLights | which then? |
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| 15:35.17 | entitled | maybe try another network completely |
| 15:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | reading preinit is a real thrill, each single time |
| 15:38.45 | akls | hm. I'm trying to use my favorite cli music player moc on n900. It works fine with easy debian, but for some reason eats 100% cpu. I've tried opening the same song with mpg123 and when running from user it works fine, but from root it eats 100% cpu too. |
| 15:39.18 | akls | something is wrong :\ |
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| 15:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | epic: preinit seems to offer booting from SDx "HDD" attached to USB host mode |
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| 15:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | in addition to NAND flash, and MMC |
| 15:41.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | less "+/show_roots()" /sbin/preinit |
| 15:44.31 | Sicelo | gawd |
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| 16:27.52 | akls | anybody? |
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| 16:36.00 | Jade | akls, i used to use moc |
| 16:36.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: well, mediaplayers shouldn't run with root permissions |
| 16:36.19 | Jade | i think it might not be using hardware acceleration for playing mp3's, although i doubt even then it would eat 100% cpu |
| 16:36.24 | Jade | i'm not sure if that even makes sense |
| 16:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's no reason why it eats 100% CPU, but anyway |
| 16:36.31 | Jade | but it works fine for me |
| 16:36.37 | Jade | so i dont know |
| 16:36.55 | Jade | i ran mine in maemo and not debian |
| 16:37.00 | Jade | i had compiled it |
| 16:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: anyway if your mediaplayer is run under root account, I guess it will need run-standalone.sh at very least, since it might need access to USER's session bus etc |
| 16:38.49 | akls | Jade had any cpu problems? |
| 16:38.57 | Jade | nope |
| 16:39.00 | Jade | showed maybe 10-15% at most |
| 16:39.03 | akls | wtf |
| 16:39.03 | akls | why |
| 16:39.08 | akls | Jade was it estel or what? |
| 16:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: anyway if your mediaplayer is run under root account, I guess it will need run-standalone.sh at very least, since it might need access to USER's session bus etc |
| 16:39.16 | Jade | what's that |
| 16:39.38 | akls | Jade you were running it under easy debian? |
| 16:39.41 | Jade | oh |
| 16:39.42 | Jade | no |
| 16:39.45 | akls | OH |
| 16:39.46 | Jade | i compiled it on maemo |
| 16:39.48 | akls | so installed from source, right? |
| 16:39.49 | akls | OK |
| 16:39.52 | akls | got it |
| 16:39.58 | akls | Jade thank you very much, my savior! |
| 16:40.00 | Jade | mocp doesnt have that many dependencies, it compiles pretty fast |
| 16:40.01 | akls | now I have to go :) |
| 16:40.04 | Jade | so you should be good if you really want to compile it |
| 16:40.05 | Jade | ok |
| 16:40.09 | akls | yea-yea |
| 16:40.11 | akls | thank you! |
| 16:40.19 | Jade | np |
| 16:40.30 | akls | I was not even thinking about running it without easy debian :D |
| 16:40.33 | akls | thanks |
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| 19:57.52 | Psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: setting all the "mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state" caused a reboot loop |
| 19:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe changing anything on that module caused the reboot loop |
| 19:59.22 | kerio | Psotnick: have you tried just loading it from a booted system? |
| 19:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | if vermagic doen't match, kernel won't load the module, and thus can't mount eMMC and /home and /opt |
| 19:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ergo: bootloop |
| 20:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well known effect when kernel modules don't match the kernel |
| 20:00.14 | Psotnick | Ok, I'll try just to load it |
| 20:01.22 | kerio | can someone with KP installed pastebin the content of his /etc/default/mount-opts? |
| 20:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I'd just patch that function to always return state "closed" rather than edit all the ölocations where it gets called |
| 20:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psotnick: and I'm afraid there might as well be some IRQ handler that deals with state changes of GPIO160 on a hardware level |
| 20:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it doesn't make sense when the kernel module would _poll_ mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state 5 times a second, to catch wehn somebody dares to open battery cover |
| 20:05.07 | Psotnick | I modprobed that module and it loaded, but still can't see /dev/mmcblk1 |
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| 20:06.18 | Psotnick | I think I'll just give up |
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| 20:20.46 | kerio | aww :( |
| 20:20.52 | kerio | try the gpio thing now! |
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| 20:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hacking kernel modules isn't exactly trivial, mainly due to the poor debugging opportunities |
| 20:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I doubt my idea about GPIO reprogramming will fly |
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| 20:31.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: sure, with *that* attitude... |
| 20:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 20:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | find each reference to GPIO160 in that kernel module, weed out the result of an changing input at lowest possible level |
| 20:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | as mentioned there might as well be a IRQ handler waiting for an IRQ triggered from that GPIO |
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| 20:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! my t900 is definitely messed up |
| 20:42.25 | vi__ | which gpio? |
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| 20:45.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: D: |
| 20:45.11 | kerio | the billion-year-uptime one? |
| 20:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | rootfs filled up I guess |
| 20:45.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: 160 |
| 20:45.27 | kerio | this shit right here is the reason you don't install sysklogd! |
| 20:45.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you going to reflash it? |
| 20:47.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I'm going to reboot it :-O |
| 20:47.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:47.42 | kerio | don't do it |
| 20:47.47 | kerio | think of the children! |
| 20:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime |
| 20:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAAAAH! |
| 20:47.54 | kerio | fix it! |
| 20:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | no more mounts |
| 20:48.07 | kerio | what's fucked about it? |
| 20:48.14 | kerio | what does dmesg say? |
| 20:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | dmesg is ok |
| 20:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | syslog isn't |
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| 20:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount isn't |
| 20:48.31 | kerio | stop it then |
| 20:48.33 | kerio | and clean the rootfs |
| 20:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /etc7mtab isn't |
| 20:48.41 | kerio | maybe mount can't write to /etc/mtab |
| 20:48.47 | kerio | and mtab can be restored from /proc/mounts |
| 20:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 20:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# cat /proc/mounts >/etc/mtab |
| 20:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | -sh: cannot create /etc/mtab: No space left on device |
| 20:49.29 | kerio | indeed |
| 20:49.37 | kerio | just rm /var/log/syslog |
| 20:49.42 | kerio | you don't need it :P |
| 20:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29316716 Oct 14 14:02 syslog |
| 20:49.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# rm /var/log/syslog |
| 20:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | already did |
| 20:50.03 | kerio | sync |
| 20:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 20:50.10 | kerio | ubifs is weird like that |
| 20:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# sync |
| 20:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# cat /proc/mounts >/etc/mtab |
| 20:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | -sh: cannot create /etc/mtab: No space left on device |
| 20:50.35 | kerio | what does df say? |
| 20:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# df -h |
| 20:50.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 20:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIC! |
| 20:51.03 | kerio | nice |
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| 20:51.06 | kerio | df / |
| 20:51.14 | kerio | there must be a way to force df to work |
| 20:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | df: /: can't find mount point |
| 20:51.32 | kerio | oh lawds |
| 20:51.36 | kerio | can you make a symlink? |
| 20:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:51.42 | kerio | ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab |
| 20:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt |
| 20:52.03 | kerio | have you stopped sysklogd and klogd, btw? |
| 20:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab |
| 20:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ln: /etc/mtab: File exists |
| 20:52.22 | kerio | ok then, delete it |
| 20:52.35 | kerio | if syslog is still open then maybe it's keeping /var/log/syslog alive |
| 20:52.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# rm /etc/mtab |
| 20:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab |
| 20:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ln: /etc/mtab: No space left on device |
| 20:52.50 | kerio | dammit! |
| 20:53.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what have you done? D: |
| 20:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 20:53.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | killed my best uptime |
| 20:53.28 | kerio | srsly tho |
| 20:53.30 | kerio | it's fixable |
| 20:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | syslog ended Sep 29 |
| 20:53.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mount a new /etc via nfs |
| 20:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:54.18 | kerio | IT CAN'T GO WRONG |
| 20:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll just reboot |
| 20:54.51 | kerio | well that's just weak :S |
| 20:55.16 | kerio | i wonder if it'll boot |
| 20:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll see |
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| 20:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | booting to ACT_DEAD? Friggin KP46 |
| 20:59.51 | kerio | hahaha |
| 21:00.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime |
| 21:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i sometimes get that, but only after doing something with charge*.sh |
| 21:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# df -h / |
| 21:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 21:00.30 | kerio | (in backupmenu, mostly) |
| 21:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | rootfs 227.9M 220.1M 3.6M 98% / |
| 21:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-o |
| 21:00.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: see |
| 21:00.50 | RST38h | always suspected Maemo and possums had something in common |
| 21:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29316716 Oct 14 14:02 syslog |
| 21:01.05 | RST38h | (aside from being terminally cute, I mean) |
| 21:01.15 | kerio | well, du -mx | sort -n |
| 21:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oh lol, 80 friggin new mails |
| 21:02.37 | kerio | wait, modest caused this? |
| 21:05.18 | RST38h | kerio: are you surprised or what? |
| 21:05.40 | kerio | 220mb used? hell yeah i'm surprised |
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| 21:05.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: isn't 228mb a bit small anyway? |
| 21:05.54 | kerio | how old is this n900? |
| 21:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 21:06.47 | RST38h | Doc: So, did you have a chance to look at the log before delering it? |
| 21:06.56 | RST38h | Doc: Who shat that much? |
| 21:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, ended Sep 29 |
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| 21:07.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i thought the rootfs was bigger than that |
| 21:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | never been |
| 21:07.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ubifs avoids bad blocks, though |
| 21:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the real mess: there's no single huge file to delete |
| 21:08.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: install cssu-thumb |
| 21:08.48 | kerio | :D |
| 21:08.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I wonder where's the 29MB eaten by now deleted syslog gone |
| 21:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if it's still eating blocks or sth |
| 21:10.31 | RST38h | Ah, this part is simple |
| 21:10.56 | RST38h | Doc: Maemo rootfs reports full file sizes but compresses them in flash |
| 21:11.15 | RST38h | Doc: So, when you delete a 29MB text file, the freed space may well only account for 3MB |
| 21:11.25 | kerio | oh yeah, and df -h reports the on-nand sizes |
| 21:11.43 | RST38h | This behaviour is only true for / though, MMC-based stuff measures normally |
| 21:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: thought as much, but compression ratio 10:1 ? |
| 21:13.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's not unheard of |
| 21:13.11 | kerio | especially for something with very little entropy like a log |
| 21:13.15 | ShadowJK | du vs du --apparent-size? :) |
| 21:13.28 | ShadowJK | guesses busybox du doesn't have it |
| 21:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: bingo |
| 21:14.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: gnu du has it |
| 21:16.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.com/3ZtdGpV0 :-/ |
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| 21:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF /usr/share/nokia-maps |
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| 21:19.12 | kerio | i've got a 1mb "rdat" file there |
| 21:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ubifs \o/ |
| 21:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 21:19.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | rootfs 227.9M 188.4M 35.3M 84% / |
| 21:19.40 | kerio | \o/ |
| 21:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U ubifs |
| 21:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually did NUTTIN to regain that space - no boot, no deleting any file |
| 21:21.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: did you sync? |
| 21:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | just moved from 3.6M 98% / to 35.3M 84% / |
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| 21:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 21:21.44 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, reboot to make ubifs recount |
| 21:21.45 | kerio | i mean, did you sync after deleting syslog? |
| 21:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, but that been before boot |
| 21:22.06 | kerio | hm, weird |
| 21:22.11 | kerio | oh well, must've autorepaired something |
| 21:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3.6M 98% / to 35.3M 84% / been *after* reboot |
| 21:22.20 | kerio | hooray for ubifs |
| 21:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ubifs \o/ |
| 21:22.53 | ShadowJK | I think the reboot thing is a remnant from jffs2 days. To mount jffs2, the entire filesystem is scanned, and all metadata is read into ram, where it keeps hogging ram. |
| 21:23.41 | ShadowJK | One of the big points about ubifs was that mounting it is fast, so it probably resumes after a reboot from the same state it had before reboot. |
| 21:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: but how do you explain free space 3.6M 98% / to 35.3M 84% /, *without* any reboot or anything in between? |
| 21:24.03 | ShadowJK | It probably has garbage collection running when idle :-) |
| 21:24.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the free space is an estimate |
| 21:24.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 21:24.23 | RST38h | Doc: 10:1 is not unusual, not for syslog anyway |
| 21:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | something like fsckng garbage collection |
| 21:24.37 | RST38h | Doc: You have got a text file with a dictionary of what? 200 words? |
| 21:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: quite possible, yes |
| 21:24.57 | ShadowJK | On my sheevaplug where I have a nilfs2 partition, the delay between deleting files and free space appearing can be hours :-) |
| 21:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless see new miracle |
| 21:25.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html#L_spaceacc |
| 21:25.35 | RST38h | Doc: The short answer is "ubifs is weird" |
| 21:25.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: especially "Dirty space" |
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| 21:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: >>Another possibility would be to implement background GC in UBIFS (just like in JFFS2), which would lessen effect of dirty space with time.<< seems somebody did |
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| 21:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks for link |
| 21:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | very useful |
| 21:33.01 | kerio | ubifs is *really* weird |
| 21:33.04 | kerio | but also neat |
| 21:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, stack cleanup, back tp Psotnick |
| 21:34.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is it safe to play around with gpio? |
| 21:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes |
| 21:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | though that depends |
| 21:35.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | in theory you could create a short |
| 21:35.47 | kerio | in particular, is it safe to set pin 160 to write mode and turn it on? |
| 21:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess the chip won't care too much |
| 21:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, should be safe, except maybe you create an output of high level to a sensor with open collector output shorting that to GND |
| 21:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the result might not help in the end, since reading back from outputs usually still represents real level seen at pin |
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| 21:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | which probably still is low |
| 21:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oct 21 23:46:26 t900 kernel: [ 2222.749023] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible |
| 21:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oct 21 23:46:26 t900 kernel: [ 2223.059051] mmc0: card e624 removed |
| 21:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | first thing in syslog on opening back cover |
| 21:39.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no msg about [GPIO 160] |
| 21:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh tracker STFU! |
| 21:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oct 21 23:53:09 t900 tracker-indexer[1655]: GLIB WARNING ** Tracker - No data was allocated for row 0, this means the database contained NULL or non-managed values for all the data in it |
| 21:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | * 10000 |
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| 21:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | here's what I hoped to see for gpio160 as well: Oct 21 23:54:35 t900 kernel: [ 2711.715667] slide (GPIO 71) is now open |
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| 21:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway if you wanna patch kernel module, search for "mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible" |
| 21:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB the mmc number = 0 |
| 21:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | for kernel it's still mmc0 on uSD and mmc1 on eMMC |
| 21:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | rationale: the romboot will check on mmc0 for xloader, but not on mmc1 |
| 21:46.34 | vi__ | aaaah, the old insta-dismount mmc on door open problem. |
| 21:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's kinda logical to have a removable media on mmc0 |
| 21:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: yep |
| 21:47.01 | vi__ | You would think they would at lest make it unmount gracefully. |
| 21:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psotnick has problem with his hall sensor broken |
| 21:47.29 | vi__ | some people stick a tiny magnet inside the case. |
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| 21:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | his sensor is defect |
| 21:48.11 | vi__ | that sucks, it is not like yu can just chmod 444 a /sys entry for the backdoor sensor. |
| 21:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a tad unfortunate since you can't use a perfectly working uSD slot anymore |
| 21:48.25 | vi__ | it works at an annoyingly low level. |
| 21:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 21:49.17 | vi__ | remove hall sensor component and short the pads? |
| 21:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT short the pads |
| 21:49.37 | vi__ | or leave open as appropriate. |
| 21:49.53 | vi__ | no? oh well. |
| 21:49.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 21:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | well I dunno, my logic says it should usually not consume power via the pullup resistor |
| 21:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so magnet-detected should _open_ the 'switch' |
| 21:51.17 | vi__ | as I said 'or leave open as appropriate.' |
| 21:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 21:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems Psotnick isn't that eager to do hw meddling |
| 21:51.57 | vi__ | I have not look at the schematic so I have NFC how the hall sensor is hooked up. |
| 21:52.13 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: then his n900 is fucked. |
| 21:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the plan been to patch the kernel driver to ignore the sensor |
| 21:53.00 | vi__ | I have wanted that for 1+ year. |
| 21:53.09 | vi__ | even better than that... |
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| 21:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a great idea actually |
| 21:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | allow kernel parameter to enable or disable the sensor |
| 21:54.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: if it should be off when the backcover is closed, it should be fairly easy, right? |
| 21:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 21:54.37 | kerio | just physically remove the sensor |
| 21:54.38 | vi__ | make it check for some setting that either obeys sensor, plays loud noise+vibrates on actuation by sensor or just outright ignore it. |
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| 21:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, there's still that ESD/EMI-filter |
| 21:56.08 | vi__ | so I got my sip to work. |
| 21:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has two tranzorbs/Zener to GND, and a series resistor |
| 21:56.40 | vi__ | I have even hooked up an old e65 to be the house sip phone. |
| 21:57.03 | vi__ | final piece was to setup mrs vi__ with sip on her 5800. |
| 21:57.12 | vi__ | It has the sip stack. |
| 21:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: which means you can't create that bad a short when plaing with GPIO |
| 21:57.32 | vi__ | It has settings to define a sip provider. |
| 21:57.55 | vi__ | it has no function to create a sip call. |
| 21:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: |
| 21:58.14 | vi__ | Nokia REMOVED the sip call function on purpose. |
| 21:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oct 22 00:04:08 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[1449]: nta_agent: received garbage from udp/217.10.79.9:54680/sip |
| 21:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oct 22 00:04:36 t900 last message repeated 2 times |
| 21:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: sipgate |
| 21:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | keepalive |
| 21:59.28 | vi__ | what are you trying to tell me? |
| 21:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | just telling you sipgate keep alive mechanism is flooding my syslog |
| 22:00.03 | vi__ | aaah |
| 22:00.22 | vi__ | you can set the keepalive method/timeout though. |
| 22:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I probably should do, but afaik you can't extend keep-alive interval as suggested by peer, only shorten it |
| 22:01.04 | SpeedEvil | is battery use with sip terrible? |
| 22:01.12 | SpeedEvil | idle |
| 22:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that bad |
| 22:01.39 | SpeedEvil | I seem to get a dayish idle |
| 22:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | on WLAN I get way more |
| 22:02.06 | ShadowJK | vi__, at one point in time, Nokia considered SIP an "Enterprise" feature, and it was only enabled in their E-series phones. |
| 22:02.07 | SpeedEvil | on Alan |
| 22:02.24 | SpeedEvil | on wlan |
| 22:02.50 | vi__ | I have left the e65 connected to wifi with sip for 27 hours now. it has not lost any 'bars' of battery from the meter. |
| 22:03.16 | vi__ | ShadowJK: it costs them nothing to include an executable. |
| 22:03.26 | ShadowJK | indeed |
| 22:03.28 | vi__ | what the fuck where they thinking? |
| 22:03.41 | ShadowJK | They were thinking some people would pay extra for e-series to get the enterprisey features |
| 22:04.18 | vi__ | I had forgotten how much of a pain in the testes symbian is. |
| 22:04.34 | vi__ | n900 for life. |
| 22:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | YOH! |
| 22:05.39 | vi__ | I did't choose the unix life, the unix life chose me. |
| 22:05.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I fell for it |
| 22:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the late 70s |
| 22:06.33 | ShadowJK | My Nokia E75, for example, had a non-e-series equivalent. The E75 is pretty cumbersome for playing music or multimedia. The non-E E75 has volume controls and music controls on the hw keys. E75 on the other hand, has SIP, vpn, provisioning, office suite, and less plastic. |
| 22:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | now we got N9 and hooker ;-P |
| 22:07.55 | vi__ | all nice software features that should be rolled out on all symbian devices as standard. |
| 22:08.01 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:08.10 | vi__ | n9 is a stinker. |
| 22:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hooker is a bitch ;-P |
| 22:08.52 | vi__ | I must get another n900...or 2. |
| 22:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | still hard to tell them apart |
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| 22:09.12 | vi__ | what n9 and whores? |
| 22:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: hurry before I snatch them all away |
| 22:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | spanish whore |
| 22:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | lumia |
| 22:09.50 | ShadowJK | has 78.1M free on / |
| 22:09.54 | vi__ | It is just so risky to buy them 2nd hand. |
| 22:10.07 | ShadowJK | hm, I've gotten 2 good ones so far |
| 22:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I buy those "new2 ones |
| 22:10.17 | vi__ | half of the n900s on ebay are fucked. |
| 22:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | used ones a kinda ... so used |
| 22:10.50 | vi__ | even ones with broken usb sell for a nice price. |
| 22:11.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | should get #5 and #6 |
| 22:11.25 | vi__ | although I did see a brand new one, still with scrreen foil for only £190. |
| 22:11.28 | SpeedEvil | I was looking recently |
| 22:11.48 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: uk? |
| 22:11.51 | SpeedEvil | I missed one. eBay app notification needs to be loader |
| 22:11.55 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 22:12.00 | ShadowJK | Seems declared-to-work scratch-free N900s are going for 100€ here |
| 22:12.10 | SpeedEvil | 50 quid for no USB |
| 22:12.12 | vi__ | !!!! |
| 22:12.23 | vi__ | ShadowJK: where do you liive? |
| 22:12.27 | vi__ | germany? |
| 22:12.31 | ShadowJK | Finland |
| 22:12.34 | vi__ | ah |
| 22:12.59 | vi__ | n900 not black metal enough? |
| 22:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
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| 22:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so who's going to finally fix that backcover hallsensor idiocy for good? patch mmc kernel module |
| 22:15.50 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: you? |
| 22:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a job for KP |
| 22:16.12 | kerio | paaaaaaaaali! |
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| 22:16.38 | ShadowJK | March 2012, bought my current devN900, for 120€ |
| 22:16.45 | ShadowJK | Everything working on it, scratchfree screen |
| 22:16.59 | akls | trying to install moc. ./configure says that "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" . I have installed gcc-4.6 but it didn't help |
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| 22:18.52 | ShadowJK | try build-essential |
| 22:19.30 | vi__ | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N900-Not-working-/150927609849?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item2323fc8ff9 |
| 22:19.37 | vi__ | worth a shot? |
| 22:20.01 | akls | ShadowJK, package build-essential has no installation candidate |
| 22:20.18 | ShadowJK | vi__, battery is fucked, usb port us fucked, or entire thing is fucked |
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| 22:20.49 | ShadowJK | 11€, go for it |
| 22:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: trying to build on target? will give a much PITA |
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| 22:20.57 | ShadowJK | uh, £ |
| 22:21.19 | vi__ | n900 is expensive here. |
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| 22:21.44 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, somebody said here that he was able to install moc |
| 22:21.50 | akls | so I'm trying to do the same |
| 22:21.56 | akls | Jade it was |
| 22:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: get it from the continent then, you islander |
| 22:22.10 | Jade | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.19 | Jade | yes |
| 22:22.33 | akls | Jade how did you compile moc? |
| 22:22.41 | Jade | i forgot what deps i needed |
| 22:22.43 | Jade | it was a while ago |
| 22:22.51 | akls | Jade for now I'm getting error "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" |
| 22:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you used SB nevertheless |
| 22:23.16 | Jade | akls, add the nokia repo with dev tools then you can install gcc, binutils and other stuff |
| 22:23.19 | Jade | hold on |
| 22:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 22:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you built a huge project on N900 ? |
| 22:23.47 | ShadowJK | used to do that in Maemo4 days |
| 22:23.48 | Jade | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php |
| 22:23.52 | Jade | then add "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/<token_number_here> nokia-binaries |
| 22:23.52 | Jade | " |
| 22:23.54 | Jade | in sources.list |
| 22:24.04 | Jade | it should have all the deps you need for moc, if my memory serves me right |
| 22:24.26 | akls | oh |
| 22:24.27 | Jade | just needs gcc, binutils and some other misc stuff i forgot now |
| 22:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jade: on N900?? |
| 22:24.29 | vi__ | you know what would be good? |
| 22:24.30 | Jade | yeah |
| 22:24.35 | Jade | moc isnt too heavy to compile directly on n900 |
| 22:24.38 | akls | ok! thanks |
| 22:24.40 | vi__ | status menu in task switcher. |
| 22:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: really? why? |
| 22:25.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I found it a little bit annoying sometimes to have to switch back to desktop |
| 22:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but usually my taskswitcher is opened for <3s |
| 22:26.41 | Skry | vi__: I find my n900 perfectly black metal enough to host my Horna and Behexen albums. Can't still figure out that fscking modifier key thingy though. |
| 22:27.01 | akls | Jade, what is scratchbox? |
| 22:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: the crosscompiling environment on PC |
| 22:27.54 | akls | sounds like something I don't really need |
| 22:27.56 | akls | or what.. |
| 22:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nobody likes it |
| 22:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's the only true development environment for maemo |
| 22:29.50 | vi__ | Skry: but sweden is home of melodict death metal, not black metal! |
| 22:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | while for on-device compiling you sooner or later run into obstacles like missing free space on rootfs and non-optified c libs etc |
| 22:30.05 | vi__ | did you try changing rx-51? |
| 22:30.54 | skope | sweden is the home of göteborg metal |
| 22:30.59 | skope | boing boing boing |
| 22:31.01 | akls | is it ok that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty? |
| 22:31.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: there are several approaches to overcome those obstacles, like optification, chroot, bindmounts, whatelse |
| 22:31.32 | ShadowJK | remembers having gcc in /opt/ on his PC |
| 22:31.58 | vi__ | skope: dont you mean gotheburg? |
| 22:32.17 | vi__ | yeah, dismember rule like fuck! |
| 22:32.37 | ShadowJK | english: gothenburg swedish: göteborg |
| 22:32.41 | vi__ | ^gothenburg? |
| 22:33.01 | vi__ | i am but a swednoob |
| 22:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Goth e Burg |
| 22:33.31 | ShadowJK | Many swedish places and provinces sound much cooler in english/latin than in swedish |
| 22:33.34 | ShadowJK | Like "Gothia". |
| 22:34.41 | ShadowJK | Random weird fact: "The Swedish Empire" is included in wikipedia's list of longest lasting empires. |
| 22:34.51 | ShadowJK | (ended in 19th century) |
| 22:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't Goth something different than Metal? |
| 22:34.56 | akls | is it ok that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty? |
| 22:35.00 | skope | vi__: göteborg is the scandinavian way of saying it ;) |
| 22:35.24 | ShadowJK | akls, that sounds normal, there's a sources.d directory probably? |
| 22:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: yes |
| 22:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /etc/apt/sources* |
| 22:37.16 | Skry | vi__: did edit it, got nothing useful done. configured ctrl level 3 as super, and tried to modifier_map it but it still shows up as control in modifier map though xev reports it to be super. Unholy. |
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| 22:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.27 | vi__ | Skry: there is another possibility. |
| 22:39.48 | vi__ | you could maybe use xbindkeys and xdotool to send super. |
| 22:39.59 | vi__ | just like right click hack. |
| 22:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jade: why don't you share your moc binary? |
| 22:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jade: is the malware part not yet finalized? ;-D |
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| 22:43.52 | Jade | hold on just making sure the rootkit actually works on 2.6.28 |
| 22:43.54 | Jade | then ill upload |
| 22:44.12 | ShadowJK | lol wtf |
| 22:44.23 | akls | so I have added a source from here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php to /etc/apt/source.list but I get same error on "apt-get install gcc" or build-essential - no installation candidate |
| 22:44.28 | akls | and yes, I did apt-get update |
| 22:45.59 | vi__ | holy f |
| 22:46.11 | vi__ | have you guys seen tmo? |
| 22:46.28 | vi__ | speciffically apkenv? |
| 22:46.47 | vi__ | they said alien dalvik was a myth! |
| 22:50.24 | akls | Jade :\ |
| 22:52.22 | ShadowJK | what is alien dalvik? |
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| 23:01.59 | akls | <Jade> then add "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/<token_number_here> nokia-binaries |
| 23:02.04 | akls | maybe you meant deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free non-free ? |
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| 23:35.17 | akls | anytime I try to compile something myself.. |
| 23:35.30 | akls | I'm thinking that shooting my foot is going to be less painful |
| 23:35.53 | ShadowJK | shooting foot vs compiling on-device? certainly |
| 23:36.13 | ShadowJK | Especially if it's something with more dependencies than libc |
| 23:36.19 | akls | currently I'm getting this error: configure: no Berkeley DB version 4 or higher found configure: error: BerkeleyDB (libdb) not found |
| 23:36.44 | akls | and I have installed libdb1 libdb4.2 libdb4.2++c2 |
| 23:38.08 | ShadowJK | you want the -devel varieties for compiling |
| 23:38.16 | ShadowJK | or -dev |
| 23:38.24 | akls | yeah |
| 23:38.27 | akls | but... |
| 23:39.27 | akls | but there's no libdb-dev |
| 23:39.31 | akls | or db-dev |
| 23:40.10 | akls | should be db4-devel |
| 23:41.10 | akls | AHA |
| 23:41.32 | akls | libdb4.2-devel |
| 23:41.37 | akls | dev* |
| 23:41.47 | akls | it's in fremantle sdk |
| 23:47.39 | akls | ok |
| 23:47.45 | akls | I hope it was the last error |
