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| 02:09.59 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: KDE 4.8.5 has no such behaviour, nor do I recall seeing it in any older version |
| 02:10.19 | Luke-Jr | at least not by default (or by upgrade?) |
| 02:12.06 | ShadowJK | by "shrink" he probably means same action as un-maximizing |
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| 03:19.35 | Skry | isnt it quite logical to unmaximize window if you try to move it? |
| 03:22.36 | Skry | anyways, in 4.9.2, system settings -> window behaviour |
| 03:22.58 | Skry | titlebar and window actions |
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| 03:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the point is that I don't try to move window, when I click and drag into e.g. Komversation's /topic text. While it works for text in between, it unmaximizes window when I try to start highlightinh shprtly left of first word |
| 03:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | highlighting shortly left* |
| 03:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway thanls :-) |
| 04:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas no friggin option for that in 4.7.2 (or I didn't see it) |
| 04:12.23 | Skry | mm, never seen such behavior, but sometimes kde behaves funny when you have old enough configurations for it |
| 04:12.45 | Snafu777 | anyone interested in ngrep for the n900? |
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| 07:29.17 | GGon | hi |
| 07:29.28 | GGon | know this may sound rathe dumb... but are there any lte symbian phones? :) |
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| 07:35.44 | deepy | Why do you want LTE? it's a battery drainer! |
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| 07:50.15 | GGon | speed? |
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| 07:54.57 | deepy | What good is that when you're out of battery? |
| 07:55.17 | Lava_Croft | i dont think Nokia has any hardware suppliers that supply LTE stuff |
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| 10:06.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | Nokia has STE |
| 10:06.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | google NovaThor |
| 10:07.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | LTE is less of a battery hog than UMTS |
| 10:07.35 | jaska | but umts sounds like a cheap bass speaker |
| 10:07.38 | jaska | umts umts umts umts |
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| 11:20.21 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: where you live it is just BS (LTE) |
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| 13:13.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: hmm? |
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| 13:23.08 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: LTE in germany is nuts atm |
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| 13:28.14 | Pali | here are binaries in maemo which using libbmeipc: http://pastebin.com/Z2K1npJP |
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| 13:33.02 | Pali | here are functions from libbmeipc: http://pastebin.com/Ye0ND5yn |
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| 13:38.43 | Pali | and here are for each libbmeipc function list of libraries which using it: http://pastebin.com/80XD55er |
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| 14:01.11 | Pali | so only one relevant closed libary usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-voice.so using libbmeipc (functions: bme_connect, bme_disconnect, bme_read, bme_write) |
| 14:02.03 | Pali | testserver is running only in LOCAL or TEST mode (and I think this SW is used by phoenix for calibration) |
| 14:02.19 | Pali | libthermalobject_surface is open source |
| 14:02.27 | Pali | and hald-addon-bme was rewritten |
| 14:03.52 | Pali | freemangordon, see ^^^^ |
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| 14:14.09 | GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, you've alerted Jolla. :P |
| 14:14.20 | teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: I know. |
| 14:14.29 | teotwaki | Though, my statement still stands: It's vapourware. |
| 14:14.32 | GeneralAntilles | What makes you say vaporware? |
| 14:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | Aside from the obvious. |
| 14:14.49 | teotwaki | well, at the moment, they don't sell anything, just dreams. |
| 14:15.11 | teotwaki | And in my opinion, they should've stfu and kept things a bit more quiet that how vocal they've been |
| 14:15.19 | flux | teotwaki, so, basically, any announcement of product not immediately available is vaporware? |
| 14:15.24 | teotwaki | they're going to lose the traction before getting traction ever even mattered. |
| 14:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | Well, platform reveal is next month. |
| 14:15.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hardware announcement is in December. |
| 14:15.57 | teotwaki | flux: by definition, yes. |
| 14:16.10 | flux | teotwaki, well, it's not a very good definition. I don't think it used to mean that. |
| 14:16.41 | flux | how long has jolla been visible anyway? |
| 14:16.50 | teotwaki | "The term also generally applies to a product that is announced months or years before its release, and for which public development details are lacking." |
| 14:16.54 | teotwaki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware |
| 14:17.20 | teotwaki | Check the page edits, I didn't just add that quickly to support my statement |
| 14:17.26 | flux | teotwaki, yes, it's a matter of scale. but how long has it been, really? |
| 14:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you can look at the core stuff in Mer. |
| 14:18.40 | teotwaki | flux: 6 months? A year? |
| 14:18.54 | teotwaki | I'm actually asking, I don't have a clue |
| 14:19.40 | teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: remember the project I nagged you about? |
| 14:20.18 | GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, vaguely |
| 14:20.40 | teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: are you familiar with the words introspection and reflection? |
| 14:21.18 | GeneralAntilles | July |
| 14:21.27 | akls | I have a problem with easy debian. If I run "apt-get upgrade" it starts updating and everything is ok, but after 15 minutes it hangs and then reboots. what's wrong? |
| 14:21.29 | GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, from a philosophical context? |
| 14:22.02 | teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: in programming languages... |
| 14:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | Less so. |
| 14:23.14 | teotwaki | bleh |
| 14:23.28 | teotwaki | how the hell did you get your degree? |
| 14:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't yet. :P |
| 14:23.54 | teotwaki | anyway, here's an example of reflection used in mah project: https://github.com/teotwaki/firestarter/blob/db-layer/src/modules/examples/persistance/persistance.cpp |
| 14:25.50 | teotwaki | don't mind the misspelled "persistance", I got carried away with a's when I created the examples directory : |
| 14:26.07 | Sicelo | akls: too much work for your 600MHz ARM processor, and it's limited ram. why don't you do it by parts? |
| 14:26.19 | teotwaki | Sicelo: what a load of bollocks is that |
| 14:26.36 | akls | Sicelo, alright. how can I do it in parts? |
| 14:26.39 | GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, OK, so how does this relate to Jolla being vapor? |
| 14:26.40 | akls | any easy way? |
| 14:26.43 | teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: not at all |
| 14:26.56 | teotwaki | akls: just check whether you still have space on the disk you're using |
| 14:27.18 | akls | teotwaki, hmmm |
| 14:27.26 | akls | akls, on n900 I have about 28 gb free |
| 14:27.29 | akls | that should be enough |
| 14:27.33 | teotwaki | no |
| 14:27.40 | teotwaki | you have 28gb free on one partition |
| 14:27.41 | akls | but maybe easy debian has its own limit? |
| 14:27.44 | teotwaki | check the / partition |
| 14:28.11 | Sicelo | shrugs |
| 14:28.13 | teotwaki | I don't know what/how easydeb mounts stuff, but check it doesn't mount some stupidly small block partition |
| 14:28.32 | teotwaki | anyway |
| 14:28.39 | teotwaki | off to buy a house and two new motorbikes, 'later. |
| 14:28.47 | akls | teotwaki, again? |
| 14:29.19 | teotwaki | akls: well, turns out buying a house is a multistep process. Apparently they won't accept a credit card. |
| 14:29.27 | akls | :D |
| 14:29.57 | freemangordon | akls: it is your WD kicking, install swappolube and tweak nr_request parameter |
| 14:30.07 | freemangordon | *nr_requests |
| 14:30.17 | freemangordon | make it > 1024 |
| 14:30.25 | teotwaki | swappolube and fapman |
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| 14:30.40 | teotwaki | and they wonder why Maemo never appealed to the public at large. |
| 14:30.41 | freemangordon | fapman? for ED ? |
| 14:31.01 | teotwaki | freemangordon: no, sorry, just the names. |
| 14:31.17 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 14:31.41 | freemangordon | akls: also move swap ot uSD (if possible) |
| 14:32.05 | akls | uSD? |
| 14:32.21 | freemangordon | SD card |
| 14:32.49 | freemangordon | u stands for "micro" |
| 14:33.04 | teotwaki | µSD |
| 14:33.14 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 14:33.27 | akls | doesn't make any sense |
| 14:33.37 | akls | microSD isn't any faster than phone memory |
| 14:33.41 | akls | so why would it help |
| 14:33.58 | freemangordon | trust me (tm) on that |
| 14:34.00 | StyXman | akls: bigger |
| 14:34.04 | freemangordon | naah |
| 14:34.11 | freemangordon | it used different I/O bus |
| 14:34.17 | jaska | i wish they had put real 1024MB ram instead of crummy swap :| |
| 14:34.18 | StyXman | ah, nice |
| 14:34.21 | jaska | or even 512 |
| 14:34.26 | jaska | would have made a world of difference |
| 14:34.46 | freemangordon | akls: so there are no clashes with your /opt and /home |
| 14:34.52 | akls | well, we all wish there was any other device besides n900 |
| 14:34.59 | StyXman | teotwaki: most probably they won't accept *your* credit card :) |
| 14:35.00 | jaska | yeah :| |
| 14:35.17 | freemangordon | akls: exclude me from those "all", please :P |
| 14:35.30 | akls | freemangordon, why? |
| 14:36.10 | freemangordon | because my n900 does everything I want from it, so I don;t need another device |
| 14:36.27 | jaska | i could use a kbd with more keys, more ram |
| 14:36.47 | jaska | or atleast a kbd where the matrix doesnt ovelap as much, some keycombos arent possible |
| 14:37.07 | freemangordon | n950 has larger kbd, 4 rows, and trust me, the one on n900 is better. and I can always attach BT keyboard when I want more keys |
| 14:37.20 | jaska | like shift-fn-z and shift-fn-x bug out |
| 14:37.40 | jaska | (with a custom xkb map) |
| 14:37.53 | freemangordon | with extkbd :P |
| 14:38.27 | jaska | not really interested in bt kbds.. just made a layout that removes some useless things and map more stuff behind shift-fn-something |
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| 14:42.36 | ShadowJK | bt keyboard are annoying in the way you need 2-3 hands more to use them ;) |
| 14:44.43 | freemangordon | hmm, why is that? I don't see any difference with my desktop. |
| 14:45.07 | ShadowJK | Yes but if I have a desk I use computer |
| 14:46.10 | freemangordon | sure, the point is that there are lots of real life scenarios when n900 + BT kbd/mouse does the job pretty well |
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| 14:46.20 | freemangordon | being on a holiday for example |
| 14:46.39 | jaska | for some people perhaps. |
| 14:47.51 | ShadowJK | the N900 hwkbd is nice though i think |
| 14:47.53 | jaska | my keycaps are getting so worn that the backlight shines thru :) |
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| 14:48.52 | ShadowJK | had that on my previous n900 :) |
| 14:49.00 | jaska | well, only R and T so far |
| 14:49.01 | ShadowJK | and also the s key had lost tactile feedback |
| 14:49.12 | jaska | not sure why those two speficially |
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| 14:50.20 | johnsu01 | jaska: that happened on my warranty replacement very quickly |
| 14:50.34 | jaska | this is my first n900 so far |
| 14:50.49 | ShadowJK | is on his third |
| 14:51.10 | freemangordon | is on his first :) |
| 14:51.23 | jaska | i know 2 people with unused ones so i can always buy from them cheapish :) |
| 14:51.24 | freemangordon | and strangely all the painting is still intact |
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| 14:51.48 | jaska | one scratch on a corner from a drop |
| 14:51.52 | freemangordon | after 2 and a half years |
| 14:52.05 | jaska | not sure why people said it scratches on the screen easily |
| 14:52.13 | freemangordon | because it does |
| 14:52.17 | freemangordon | it is soft |
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| 14:52.34 | jaska | hmm, mine hasnt so far <.< |
| 14:52.41 | jaska | *cross fingers* |
| 14:52.42 | akls | how can I use autocompletion with virtual keyboard? |
| 14:52.51 | RST38h | n900's screen is easily scratchable indeed |
| 14:52.54 | freemangordon | akls: enable it |
| 14:53.12 | jaska | might be that i carry it in a htc belt container.. just had to stretch it a bit to fit the mugen backcover |
| 14:53.14 | akls | freemangordon, I start typing it, then it suggests me something.. and? |
| 14:53.24 | freemangordon | click the blue part |
| 14:53.25 | akls | if I press SPACE, it erases the suggestion |
| 14:53.28 | akls | oh! |
| 14:53.32 | freemangordon | I had to ask for that one too :D |
| 14:53.56 | jaska | i tried installing some screen cover but i failed when it was new |
| 14:54.01 | jaska | didnt bother buying another one |
| 14:54.16 | jaska | couldnt get bubbles out |
| 14:54.32 | freemangordon | jaska: well, I recommend you to put one, even with the bubbles |
| 14:54.50 | jaska | ive had the device for a few years so.. dont think ill need it |
| 14:55.14 | freemangordon | well, ok |
| 14:56.49 | StyXman | akls: also, press -> |
| 14:57.25 | akls | StyXman, wtf is -> |
| 14:57.35 | freemangordon | right arroe |
| 14:57.38 | StyXman | akls: 'right' |
| 14:57.38 | freemangordon | *arrow |
| 14:57.51 | akls | right arrow? How can I press it if I have virtual keyboard enabled? |
| 14:57.52 | freemangordon | StyXman: but we're talking about VKB |
| 14:57.59 | StyXman | ah, heeh |
| 14:58.06 | StyXman | who uses it anyways |
| 14:58.20 | akls | anyway, is there any way to use two hardware keyboard layouts? |
| 14:58.35 | freemangordon | sure |
| 14:58.47 | akls | any "easy" way? |
| 14:58.51 | freemangordon | it is supported OOB |
| 14:58.56 | freemangordon | enable it |
| 14:59.01 | akls | OOB? |
| 14:59.06 | freemangordon | ~oob |
| 14:59.07 | infobot | oob is probably DTMF Out Of Band |
| 14:59.14 | freemangordon | out of the box |
| 14:59.22 | akls | freemangordon, it's not :( |
| 14:59.42 | akls | freemangordon, well, I have enabled it. and now I have two virtual keyboard layouts |
| 14:59.54 | akls | now what about hardware layout? |
| 15:00.01 | freemangordon | hmm, define " two hardware keyboard layouts" |
| 15:00.22 | freemangordon | use ctrl-space toswitch |
| 15:00.36 | akls | I press "a" key on the keyboard, english "a" is typed. I press "a" key on the keyboard, russian ф is typed |
| 15:00.50 | freemangordon | use ctrl+space |
| 15:01.22 | akls | freemangordon, it said that layout was changed, but really nothing happened |
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| 15:01.55 | StyXman | akls: have you defined the second one? |
| 15:01.58 | freemangordon | hmm, did you setup it correctly? |
| 15:02.19 | freemangordon | settings->text input |
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| 15:02.38 | akls | yes |
| 15:02.41 | freemangordon | at the bottom you should define first and second languages |
| 15:02.44 | vi_ | freemangordon: yo |
| 15:02.45 | akls | yes |
| 15:02.54 | freemangordon | vi_: yo |
| 15:02.58 | akls | freemangordon, but on the top I have "Hardware keyboard layout" |
| 15:03.08 | akls | freemangordon, and it's set to "English, Nederlands" |
| 15:03.18 | freemangordon | no, change that to russian |
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| 15:03.32 | akls | on the bottom I have 1st language: English, 2nd language: Russian |
| 15:03.40 | vi_ | I just read in the thread for the virtual keyboard that you now have 'the sources' for hildon input method? Where did that come from? |
| 15:04.18 | akls | freemangordon, alright! You're right |
| 15:04.18 | freemangordon | vi_: man where you've been? :P |
| 15:04.20 | freemangordon | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-input-method-plugins |
| 15:04.23 | akls | freemangordon, now it works |
| 15:04.38 | freemangordon | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-im-vkbrenderer3 |
| 15:04.44 | akls | freemangordon, but it was something I wouldn't ever get by myself |
| 15:04.52 | akls | lol |
| 15:05.19 | vi_ | freemangordon: life is brutally busy. |
| 15:05.20 | freemangordon | akls: call centre is here. As usual :D:D:D |
| 15:05.41 | freemangordon | vi_: I REed those |
| 15:05.42 | vi_ | I do not even have time to get to grips with my shiny n950. |
| 15:06.05 | vi_ | freemangordon: So the official source was not provided, you just REed it? |
| 15:06.18 | freemangordon | vi_: It is better that way, you'll be disappointed |
| 15:06.22 | freemangordon | yes |
| 15:06.34 | vi_ | freemangordon: You are really quite the talent! |
| 15:06.41 | freemangordon | hehe |
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| 15:06.46 | freemangordon | I know :P |
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| 15:07.13 | vi_ | I issed the work canteen cake give-away. |
| 15:07.14 | freemangordon | vi_: though REing is way easier with hexrays |
| 15:07.24 | vi_ | freemangordon: I love hexrays. |
| 15:07.29 | freemangordon | me too |
| 15:07.32 | vi_ | IDA pro rulez. |
| 15:07.40 | freemangordon | as always |
| 15:08.15 | freemangordon | vi_: the last victim was libcal :P |
| 15:09.00 | freemangordon | vi_: https://gitorious.org/cal/cal |
| 15:11.07 | freemangordon | thinks what javispedro has to say about if he can put LGPL on that |
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| 15:16.14 | akls | am I the only person who likes the resistive touchscreen that much? |
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| 15:19.26 | akls | is there any GOOD desktop widget to show memory, swap, cpu usage? |
| 15:19.51 | freemangordon | akls: you're not |
| 15:20.15 | freemangordon | akls: for that stuff you'd better use conky |
| 15:20.22 | freemangordon | the one in extras-devel |
| 15:21.03 | freemangordon | Pali: hi |
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| 15:21.20 | akls | freemangordon, yep! but I'm asking for a desktop widget |
| 15:21.54 | freemangordon | still no comment on my comment re u-boot, I wonder if that guy just ignores me or he has not received the mail |
| 15:22.16 | freemangordon | akls: can;t help here |
| 15:22.22 | akls | ok |
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| 15:38.54 | akls | why the fuck MyDocs partition is vfat and not ext3? |
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| 15:40.33 | akls | "FAT is used as it can be accessed on most non-Linux computers and is thus useful for data exchange in USB mass storage mode " |
| 15:40.38 | akls | so for window users? -_- |
| 15:40.40 | akls | damn |
| 15:41.03 | jacekowski | windows, linux, mac |
| 15:41.14 | jacekowski | ext3 sucks |
| 15:41.56 | jacekowski | other option would be MTP, and you don't want that |
| 15:45.46 | akls | sucks? much better than fat shit |
| 15:45.54 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:45.59 | akls | no? |
| 15:46.08 | jacekowski | fat is simpler and far more reliable when it comes to power cuts |
| 15:46.13 | akls | why? I can't even have my easy debian image bigger than 4 gb |
| 15:46.30 | jacekowski | ideal fs for mobile devices |
| 15:48.01 | freemangordon | jacekowski: was that you with dosbox? |
| 15:48.22 | akls | jacekowski, then why /home is ext3? |
| 15:49.58 | freemangordon | alks FAT does not support permissions |
| 15:50.04 | freemangordon | *akls |
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| 15:54.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ootb |
| 15:54.21 | infobot | hmm... ootb is Out Of The Box |
| 15:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes mental note to get some more spare keymats |
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| 16:01.33 | akls | wtf |
| 16:02.03 | akls | n900 turns of after a while when booting BackupMenu |
| 16:02.47 | kerio | ~rescue-os |
| 16:02.48 | infobot | rescue-os is probably http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
| 16:03.21 | akls | oh no |
| 16:03.24 | akls | now it works |
| 16:03.27 | akls | false alarm :D |
| 16:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get upgrade easydeb? bwahahaha |
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| 16:22.52 | vi_ | akls: look into queen beecon widgets |
| 16:23.00 | vi_ | for cpu, memory etc |
| 16:23.35 | vi_ | although, what better way to waste your cpu, memory etc than with widgets telling you how much cpu/memory you have wasted with widgets. |
| 16:24.08 | freemangordon | :D |
| 16:24.11 | vi_ | I am sure there is a 'yo dawg, I heard you like x and y, so we put and x in y so you can x while you y'. |
| 16:24.52 | vi_ | I took all of the memory allocations out of syspart.conf. |
| 16:25.07 | freemangordon | speedpatch' |
| 16:25.10 | freemangordon | :P |
| 16:25.11 | vi_ | Lets just see how this mutha roles. |
| 16:25.20 | vi_ | I INVENTED SPEEDPATCH. |
| 16:25.29 | vi_ | no |
| 16:25.33 | vi_ | it was battery patch. |
| 16:26.01 | freemangordon | yeah, batterypatch. and we all hate you for this :D |
| 16:27.59 | freemangordon | vi_: btw I reied swappiness of 0. don;t work goo, now laying with 10 |
| 16:27.59 | vi_ | ... |
| 16:28.03 | freemangordon | so far so good |
| 16:28.12 | freemangordon | *played with |
| 16:28.24 | freemangordon | sorry |
| 16:28.25 | vi_ | Is that the only thing you changed? |
| 16:28.43 | freemangordon | I should be more careful when typing |
| 16:28.50 | vi_ | I already hate myself for winning an n950. |
| 16:29.13 | freemangordon | no, but compared with pre-thumb |
| 16:30.04 | freemangordon | vi_: why is that? |
| 16:30.12 | vi_ | there are just so many parameters to fiddle with, I just do not know how to effectivly measure the result of changing any of them. |
| 16:30.21 | vi_ | Because now I have an n950. |
| 16:30.27 | vi_ | What do I do with it? |
| 16:30.38 | freemangordon | btw i broke the screen, you can send it to me if you hate it too much :D |
| 16:30.46 | vi_ | I cannot use it because spare parts do not exist. |
| 16:31.08 | vi_ | If it breaks, that is it. |
| 16:31.19 | freemangordon | I know that pretty well |
| 16:31.22 | vi_ | I cannot sell it because that would make me a total fuckwad. |
| 16:31.49 | freemangordon | well, it is not broken, just those 2 black stripes |
| 16:32.06 | vi_ | I do not want to start 'getting into' it as that would rob me of another 2 years like the n900. |
| 16:32.25 | freemangordon | vi_: hmm, I don;t think there is such risk |
| 16:32.30 | vi_ | I do not want to give it to some aspiring programer as that would divert his attention away from fremantle. |
| 16:32.51 | freemangordon | n9/50 is waay too limited caompared to n900 |
| 16:32.57 | freemangordon | bot HW and SW |
| 16:33.00 | freemangordon | *both |
| 16:33.17 | vi_ | I feel I should give it away. |
| 16:33.34 | vi_ | But then I think, Easy debian! |
| 16:33.46 | vi_ | a pocket linux computer with fone!!! |
| 16:33.56 | vi_ | But I cannot use it incase I break it. |
| 16:34.01 | vi_ | Then I am back at the start. |
| 16:34.10 | vi_ | 1st world problems. |
| 16:35.10 | vi_ | Do you think n950 parts would be available through nokia care points? |
| 16:37.03 | freemangordon | I should call them some day |
| 16:37.08 | freemangordon | these days though |
| 16:37.18 | freemangordon | to try to find a replacement screen |
| 16:37.39 | vi_ | fix backing swap and give me thumb+neon comiled mplayer and you can have mine. |
| 16:37.52 | vi_ | mint condition. |
| 16:39.42 | freemangordon | promise? |
| 16:39.53 | vi_ | yes |
| 16:40.09 | freemangordon | mplayer? ffmpeg? |
| 16:40.23 | vi_ | mplayer |
| 16:40.34 | freemangordon | it comes with its own codecs? |
| 16:40.50 | vi_ | libavcodec or something. |
| 16:40.50 | freemangordon | well, gimme the sources |
| 16:40.59 | vi_ | it is already in the repos. |
| 16:41.02 | freemangordon | aah, i,ve already did that |
| 16:41.10 | vi_ | lols |
| 16:41.13 | freemangordon | for ogg/flac |
| 16:41.39 | vi_ | n950 - Achievement 50% unlocked |
| 16:41.48 | freemangordon | but still not in -thumb, I want berkeley DB and PA first |
| 16:42.43 | vi_ | you are free to do as you wish, I expect nothing from you. You have already contributed so much to my favourite platform. |
| 16:42.46 | freemangordon | vi_: though you'll receive newer one for libavcodec than the one in repos, as NEON badly supported in maemo version |
| 16:43.01 | vi_ | that is what I mean. |
| 16:43.02 | freemangordon | *is badly |
| 16:43.17 | freemangordon | yeah, I told you, I played a bit |
| 16:44.18 | freemangordon | hmm, maybe I will issue a small update today, with berkeley DB only. |
| 16:44.31 | freemangordon | lets see if I will ahev time |
| 16:44.35 | freemangordon | *have |
| 16:44.53 | vi_ | to state terms: newer mplayer+ramzswap backingswap working properly==1 mint condition n950 for FMG. |
| 16:45.04 | freemangordon | vi_: BTW libavcodec is derived from ffmpeg |
| 16:45.16 | vi_ | freemangordon: I suspected as such. |
| 16:45.31 | freemangordon | vi_: any problems mplayer to be statically linked? |
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| 16:45.55 | freemangordon | if for some reason I am unable to backport libavcodec to maemo |
| 16:46.07 | freemangordon | (upstream version) |
| 16:46.33 | vi_ | not for me. |
| 16:46.55 | freemangordon | vi_: and don't expect it in -extras :P |
| 16:47.03 | freemangordon | -thumb rulez |
| 16:47.10 | vi_ | thumb4life. |
| 16:47.30 | vi_ | I did not choose the thumb2 life, the thumb2 life chose me. |
| 16:47.42 | freemangordon | ok, deal. going afk for a while |
| 16:50.28 | kerio | vi_: but ramzswap sucks balls |
| 16:51.00 | RST38h | better than no ramzswap |
| 16:51.29 | kerio | freemangordon: would you use ramzswap? |
| 16:51.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ^ |
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| 16:53.01 | RST38h | And now for the really mysterious facts of everyday life: an Android developer is apparently prohibited from buying his own app from Google Play Store |
| 16:53.19 | RST38h | Head, meet table. |
| 17:01.57 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
| 17:02.59 | freemangordon | kerio: not in its current form |
| 17:03.30 | freemangordon | but if I manage to make backing swap work as it should, I might reconsider |
| 17:03.44 | kerio | ? |
| 17:03.46 | kerio | what do you mean? |
| 17:04.04 | freemangordon | rephrase you question please |
| 17:04.31 | freemangordon | I was answering to <kerio> freemangordon: would you use ramzswap? |
| 17:04.34 | kerio | how is it supposed to work? |
| 17:04.42 | freemangordon | fast |
| 17:05.02 | freemangordon | the qurrent implementation does not deal with flash memory |
| 17:05.05 | freemangordon | *current |
| 17:05.39 | freemangordon | so it reads/writes 4k at once |
| 17:05.46 | freemangordon | you can imagine |
| 17:05.53 | kerio | ew |
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| 17:27.23 | GGon | hm |
| 17:27.54 | GGon | symbian is the only 4G OS that doesnt attach you to some conglomeratr |
| 17:28.21 | GGon | or meego |
| 17:28.56 | GGon | im getting an e7 next week for sure |
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| 17:43.17 | jacekowski | 4G OS? |
| 17:44.50 | vi__ | 4G OS!!! |
| 17:45.33 | kerio | 4G OS!1!1!1!1 |
| 17:46.45 | vi__ | BIRDS WITH ARMS|!!!|! |
| 17:47.16 | kerio | NO >:C |
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| 18:22.52 | kerio | Pali: yo pali |
| 18:22.53 | kerio | sup |
| 18:23.07 | Pali | what? |
| 18:23.16 | kerio | 'sup |
| 18:23.19 | kerio | as in, wassup |
| 18:23.24 | kerio | ie what's up |
| 18:23.50 | kerio | colloquial for "what's going on in your life as of late" |
| 18:26.10 | Pali | voronoi diagrams |
| 18:26.25 | Pali | kerio, did you ever heard about it? :D |
| 18:27.12 | kerio | Pali: cute |
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| 18:31.34 | Pali | fortune algorithm |
| 18:33.30 | kerio | i never did any kind of programming related to geometry |
| 18:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | fortune algorithm. now THAT sounds cool |
| 18:39.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: sadly, it's not an algorithm to be more lucky |
| 18:41.02 | kerio | Pali: btw, how do i boot rescue-os from uboot? |
| 18:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly like meego? |
| 18:41.33 | kerio | i also have no idea how to boot meego |
| 18:41.34 | kerio | so there's that |
| 18:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait, r-os is not flashed, no? |
| 18:42.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, but of course uboot can do everything |
| 18:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you don't boot r-od from uBoot at all |
| 18:42.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | r-os |
| 18:42.30 | Pali | kerio, for rescue os boot from u-boot look at u-boot tmo thread |
| 18:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | since NOLO loads r-os to RAM and starts it |
| 18:42.38 | Pali | I wrote it |
| 18:42.56 | kerio | uboot could boot a potato, unless it's on the nand |
| 18:43.11 | freemangordon | vi_: mplayer is ready :P |
| 18:43.29 | kerio | freemangordon: is it hardfp? |
| 18:43.52 | Pali | kerio, hardfp is not possible on maemo |
| 18:44.04 | Pali | you need to recompile ALL libraries and applications |
| 18:44.11 | kerio | why? |
| 18:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, statically linked it is, I'd guess |
| 18:44.15 | Pali | but some are closed, so it is not possible |
| 18:44.19 | kerio | can't you just get a glibc for mplayer? |
| 18:44.29 | Pali | but why static linking? |
| 18:44.30 | kerio | and gtk, whatevs |
| 18:44.52 | Pali | and having two version of each (more) oss libraries in system is stupid idea |
| 18:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon said he might revert to static linking for mplayer |
| 18:45.12 | freemangordon | Nokia-N900:/opt# ./mplayer -v |
| 18:45.13 | freemangordon | MPlayer 1.1-4.7.2 (C) 2000-2012 MPlayer Team |
| 18:45.25 | freemangordon | it is static by default |
| 18:45.42 | Pali | here is algorithm by stevan fortune on wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune's_algorithm |
| 18:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 18:45.52 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, it is not easy! |
| 18:45.57 | kerio | Pali: i read that, it's really cool |
| 18:46.07 | kerio | both the algorithm and the animated gif on wikipedia :D |
| 18:46.12 | freemangordon | vi_: http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/mplayer1.1/ |
| 18:46.42 | freemangordon | vi_: please compare with stock and comment |
| 18:47.02 | kerio | Pali: hmm, where are 2.6.37 and rescueOS-initrd-0.5.3.img supposed to be? |
| 18:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | errrrrrr |
| 18:47.24 | Pali | kerio, where you set it in your item file |
| 18:47.37 | kerio | Pali: yeah but those are relative paths |
| 18:47.41 | kerio | are they implied to be in /boot? |
| 18:47.46 | Pali | kerio, also first need to convert to uImage format |
| 18:48.21 | kerio | Pali: really? :O |
| 18:48.21 | kerio | why? |
| 18:48.23 | Pali | if you set your item file to load it from first eMMC or SD card, then uboot will load it from |
| 18:48.36 | Pali | files under /boot are converted automatically |
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| 18:48.38 | kerio | i thought u-boot-update-bootmenu did the conversion for me |
| 18:48.41 | kerio | oic |
| 18:48.44 | vi__ | freemangordon: will do. |
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| 18:48.57 | kerio | ~rescue-os |
| 18:48.57 | infobot | somebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
| 18:49.06 | Pali | but if you want to store it in MyDocs or in /home or on sd card, then script will not generate any file |
| 18:49.18 | Pali | but it set correct file path to uboot |
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| 18:50.15 | freemangordon | vi_: what is the best frontend for mplayer? |
| 18:50.15 | kerio | does the initrd have to be there too? |
| 18:51.16 | vi__ | freemangordon: xterm XD |
| 18:51.26 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 18:51.29 | vi__ | kmplayer or smplayer |
| 18:51.36 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:51.38 | vi__ | kmplayer probably |
| 18:51.52 | vi__ | personally I use xterm for everything. |
| 18:51.56 | freemangordon | yeah, i've just installed it |
| 18:52.03 | freemangordon | (kmplayer |
| 18:52.23 | freemangordon | vi_: how big is stock mplayer? |
| 18:52.44 | vi__ | 1 sec |
| 18:52.54 | freemangordon | yeah, found it |
| 18:53.08 | freemangordon | hmm, it is 1MB smaller than 1.1 |
| 18:53.40 | vi__ | 7.18MB |
| 18:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | voronoi based on manhattan distance is fun |
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| 18:57.14 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, no here end of all fun |
| 18:57.48 | Pali | I have really no idea how to create it |
| 18:58.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: rescueOS booted :D |
| 19:00.12 | vi__ | so hardfp is possible if it is statically linked? |
| 19:00.30 | vi__ | does that mean you could run a hardfp chroot? |
| 19:00.34 | kerio | vi__: i'd ask for hardfp before giving him your n950 |
| 19:01.14 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, ukkonen algorithm (for linear suffix tree) is easier then voronoi on manhattan distance |
| 19:01.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hrmpf, lost my clock for some reason |
| 19:03.03 | freemangordon | vi__: yes, hardfp chroot is possible |
| 19:03.09 | freemangordon | AIUI |
| 19:04.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's definetely related to some charging script botching something, because i get into ACT_DEAD mode for a little bit when booting fremantle |
| 19:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, hardfp is not possible, since it's still same kernel |
| 19:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess |
| 19:06.54 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: kernel does not care about hard/softfp afaik |
| 19:07.05 | freemangordon | it is libc/libm |
| 19:07.28 | freemangordon | just think about flashplayer in harmatan |
| 19:07.42 | freemangordon | it is softfp wit a wrapper ro libm |
| 19:07.52 | freemangordon | s/ro/to/ |
| 19:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I'm mistaken |
| 19:08.37 | freemangordon | softfp/hardfp difference is in how the float parameters are passed |
| 19:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I guess nobody ever passing floats to kernel |
| 19:09.15 | freemangordon | softfp uses r0-r13(ARM) regs, while hardfp uses FPU regs |
| 19:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 19:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | since probably I would beat them down the main alley for using floats in kernel space |
| 19:10.41 | freemangordon | AFAIK there is no other difference |
| 19:10.56 | kerio | but floats r kewl |
| 19:11.06 | freemangordon | ~kewl |
| 19:11.06 | infobot | it has been said that kewl is zwampy |
| 19:11.13 | freemangordon | the fuck |
| 19:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly PA will kill you though |
| 19:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ALSA itself |
| 19:12.48 | freemangordon | why? aren't they use some kind of |
| 19:12.54 | freemangordon | ABI? |
| 19:13.35 | freemangordon | i don;t think anyone calls PA or ALSA with arrays of loats |
| 19:13.45 | freemangordon | though might be totally wrong |
| 19:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't think so ;-P |
| 19:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 19:14.03 | freemangordon | *floats |
| 19:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yet it seems I heard exactly that |
| 19:14.38 | freemangordon | well, chroot could include PA as well, the same way ED does it |
| 19:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the clean good'ol ALSA audio cards will still takes16le and nuttin else |
| 19:15.29 | freemangordon | hmm, maybe I am wrong, but PA uses some kind of "socket" |
| 19:16.12 | freemangordon | so it should not matter if float parameters are passed by ARM or FPU regs |
| 19:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 19:16.48 | freemangordon | I am not experienced enough on that matter |
| 19:16.55 | freemangordon | (PA/ALSA) |
| 19:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the audio cards are kernel space |
| 19:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | PA (like ALSA plugins) is userland, ALSA even basically a lib |
| 19:17.38 | freemangordon | well, calling convention in user space should make no difference then |
| 19:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the moment when they hand the frames down to audiocard, it crosses the border |
| 19:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-18 21:15:25] <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, the clean good'ol ALSA audio cards will still takes16le and nuttin else |
| 19:18.36 | freemangordon | hmm , we are not changing endianess here |
| 19:18.44 | freemangordon | just where the values sit |
| 19:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 19:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | s16le will not be passed in FPU regs ;-) |
| 19:19.09 | freemangordon | and that should not matter for any i/o operation |
| 19:19.52 | freemangordon | and even if userland have to write some float to mmaped memory, it will know where to get it from |
| 19:20.05 | freemangordon | ie ARM/FPU reg |
| 19:20.28 | freemangordon | AFAIK we can't pass anything to kernal by other means but memory |
| 19:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | audio cards have several ABIs, not only mmap |
| 19:20.46 | freemangordon | it was just an example |
| 19:21.22 | freemangordon | whether it is mmap or /dev/some_cool_audio, we still pass the data via the memory |
| 19:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm as well no expert |
| 19:21.58 | freemangordon | up/down _ /read/write |
| 19:22.17 | freemangordon | I am not aware of anything else in kernel |
| 19:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ther could - in theory - be an audiocard that has a hardfp (or softfp) ABI |
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| 19:22.49 | freemangordon | hmm, what is that supposed to mean |
| 19:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | parameter passed from userland process to kernel audiocard being a singe float |
| 19:23.38 | freemangordon | FPU regs are inside MPU, and it is only MPU who can access them |
| 19:23.48 | freemangordon | aah, I see |
| 19:24.05 | freemangordon | but his is not hardfp |
| 19:24.23 | freemangordon | as you can't pass data to kernel by using registers |
| 19:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, since it's not math |
| 19:24.40 | freemangordon | only memory |
| 19:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds sound ;-) |
| 19:25.09 | freemangordon | so whatever the calling convention in userland/kernel is, you're safe |
| 19:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:25.24 | freemangordon | (at least my knowledge says that :D ) |
| 19:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you're right |
| 19:25.55 | freemangordon | sounds sane. |
| 19:25.58 | freemangordon | at least |
| 19:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: so how about simply testing a hardfp chroot? :-D |
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| 19:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (btw I ran tests for freemangordon (iirc), hardfp vs softfp, it didn't seem to make any difference) |
| 19:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | performance-wide |
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| 19:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | though we both had some problems to accept that result |
| 19:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | was it you, freemangordon? |
| 19:28.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it makes difference only for FPU intensive tasks |
| 19:28.41 | freemangordon | can't remember |
| 19:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:28.47 | freemangordon | most probably no |
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| 19:29.18 | freemangordon | you promised me thumb/stock comparison :P |
| 19:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yes |
| 19:29.28 | freemangordon | not hardfp/softfp |
| 19:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 19:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | shame on me |
| 19:29.43 | freemangordon | shame on you :D:D:D |
| 19:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still have the thumb-device/system here |
| 19:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't know how to take a proper video on the comparision |
| 19:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm absolutely reluctant to post subjective judgements |
| 19:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe there's a nice performance test website? |
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| 19:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, did you say you thombified HAM? |
| 19:34.09 | kerio | he did |
| 19:34.16 | kerio | well, i don't know if he said it |
| 19:34.20 | kerio | but he thumbified it |
| 19:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so a simple HAM show all, on same set of repos, should be easily time-able |
| 19:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, zhombified |
| 19:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 19:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that been an intentional one, I won't give it away now that I found it ;-) |
| 19:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | tombified |
| 19:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinbified |
| 19:37.43 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 19:38.21 | freemangordon | doc, in latest -tomb :P both apt and HAM are thumb-compiled |
| 19:38.59 | freemangordon | so you can do apt-get update on the same set of repos (prefferably extras-devel amongst them) and check the times |
| 19:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, lemme check what I got here |
| 19:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | settings- about? |
| 19:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | uname -a? |
| 19:39.15 | freemangordon | should work |
| 19:39.45 | freemangordon | you should be on 5.1-thumb3 |
| 19:39.55 | freemangordon | you should be on 5.1+thumb3 |
| 19:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | 38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb0 |
| 19:40.23 | freemangordon | well, upgrade |
| 19:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell me how |
| 19:40.40 | freemangordon | via HAM |
| 19:40.42 | freemangordon | :P |
| 19:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 19:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah that's why theres that nagging[!] |
| 19:41.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: technically you should reflash and full reset both n900s |
| 19:41.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maemo 5 community SSU package(thumb) |
| 19:41.58 | freemangordon | kerio: for apt-get update should not matter that much |
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| 19:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq I'll do |
| 19:42.03 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yep |
| 19:42.07 | kerio | freemangordon: no, to do a perfectly legit comparison |
| 19:42.18 | freemangordon | aah, deffinitely |
| 19:42.21 | MrPingu | Where's that guy who asked for ngrep? |
| 19:42.34 | MrPingu | I compiled it here and it seems it's working fine |
| 19:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the other system is virgin PR1.3 |
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| 19:43.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: just have in mind when comparing RAM, that KCSSU(aka KP) has 12MB reserved for framebuffer, compared to 6 in staock |
| 19:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | this one seen thumb |
| 19:43.24 | vi__ | whatd I miss? |
| 19:43.57 | freemangordon | a little discussion provoked by your question |
| 19:44.04 | freemangordon | for hardfp chroot |
| 19:44.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: have you done anything else? |
| 19:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 19:44.35 | kerio | cool |
| 19:44.47 | kerio | maybe let them run for a bit before doing the test |
| 19:44.48 | MrPingu | except it listens on wmaster0 as default but with a -d wlan0 command it's fixed ;p |
| 19:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | two virgin N900 |
| 19:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | one with CSSU-thumb pimping |
| 19:45.36 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: oooooh! |
| 19:45.53 | freemangordon | yeah, a perverted one :P |
| 19:45.55 | vi__ | I want to see graphs 'n shit when you are done. |
| 19:46.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: if you plan to do some mmedia comparison, don;t do it |
| 19:46.28 | vi__ | Who wants to sell me 2xn900? |
| 19:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: that's why I'm still not even beginning |
| 19:46.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, what's your installed version of hildon-initscripts on your main n900? |
| 19:47.01 | kerio | freemangordon: why no mmedia comparison? :o |
| 19:47.05 | freemangordon | until I put PA and ALSA |
| 19:47.18 | freemangordon | because until now only gstreamer is in -thumb |
| 19:47.44 | freemangordon | it will make a difference of course, but gstreamer-av uses ffmpeg |
| 19:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmhm, rebooted, and "success" KTNX |
| 19:47.50 | freemangordon | which is still not thumb |
| 19:48.20 | freemangordon | bad you don;t have FB account |
| 19:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | but now I have to run for dinner |
| 19:48.36 | freemangordon | FB is the ultimate "on your knees" for mobile browsers |
| 19:48.55 | freemangordon | (c) WASP ^^^ |
| 19:48.55 | kerio | meh, i'd say myfreecams is a better power test |
| 19:49.10 | freemangordon | what is it? pr0n? |
| 19:49.16 | kerio | yeah |
| 19:49.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:49.23 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 19:49.30 | kerio | but most importantly, lots and lots of javascript to keep an updated list of channels, and flash player |
| 19:49.41 | freemangordon | kerio: so, how's your power? |
| 19:49.44 | kerio | iirc SpeedEvil looked a bit into it, it was quite sophisticated |
| 19:49.50 | SpeedEvil | it's wacky |
| 19:50.00 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:50.08 | kerio | no srsly |
| 19:50.17 | SpeedEvil | it's got a non-visible flash applet that talks to a sorta IRC XML thingy. |
| 19:50.47 | freemangordon | well, heavy flash will be the same on stock/thumb |
| 19:50.51 | SpeedEvil | then, a JavaScript half to process the data that provides into 'normal' pages |
| 19:51.03 | SpeedEvil | then another flash, for any video |
| 19:51.11 | freemangordon | lol |
| 19:51.23 | freemangordon | I am not sure my desktop could handle that |
| 19:51.31 | freemangordon | *can |
| 19:51.44 | kerio | all of this, just to see a girl dressed as slave leia masturbating with two replica lightsabers |
| 19:51.53 | SpeedEvil | damn. |
| 19:52.06 | kerio | OR SO I HEARD |
| 19:52.06 | SpeedEvil | I've only seen one lightsaber at a time |
| 19:52.28 | freemangordon | hmm, not enough power for 2 maybe |
| 19:52.39 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: did you installed -thumb? |
| 19:52.44 | kerio | :D |
| 19:52.45 | freemangordon | *install |
| 19:52.45 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 19:52.52 | freemangordon | well, that is why |
| 19:52.55 | kerio | SpeedEvil: at some point she had The Imperial March playing in the background |
| 19:53.02 | SpeedEvil | I've been exhausted with deeply boring stuff. |
| 19:53.14 | SpeedEvil | http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199798/ldjudgmt/jd970521/cock04.htm |
| 19:53.28 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: 2 lightsabers are for those with thumb, ask kerio if you dont trust me :P |
| 19:53.30 | SpeedEvil | I have in my paste buffer, for example |
| 19:53.44 | kerio | by the way, i *am* serious |
| 19:53.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's clearly the dark side |
| 19:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | as sexy as darth vader |
| 19:54.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: one lightsaber was definetely there |
| 19:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | cock04, epic URL |
| 19:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 19:56.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the other test (which I already did, but still) is openssl benchmark |
| 19:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | errrrr |
| 19:57.13 | SpeedEvil | it's way more boring than the URL suggests |
| 19:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mrs Cockrane |
| 19:57.39 | freemangordon | "openssl speed" |
| 19:58.01 | vi__ | confirming: myfreecam==pr0n |
| 19:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that a shell cmd or what? |
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| 19:58.32 | kerio | vi__: what gave it away? |
| 19:58.38 | kerio | the "girl masturbating with two lightsabers" part? |
| 19:59.34 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes, just type that in termiinal |
| 20:00.23 | vi__ | you know what else is a misleading URL? |
| 20:00.29 | vi__ | penisland.com |
| 20:00.55 | freemangordon | vi__: did you try mplayer? |
| 20:01.18 | vi__ | freemangordon: not yet, cooking tea! |
| 20:01.34 | freemangordon | ok |
| 20:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: will it ever finsih? |
| 20:02.05 | freemangordon | yes |
| 20:02.13 | freemangordon | it uses constatnt time per test |
| 20:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | omg |
| 20:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope it gives a summary at end |
| 20:02.45 | freemangordon | hmm, no |
| 20:03.09 | freemangordon | well, can't remember |
| 20:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, another missed dinner :-/ |
| 20:05.34 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/Bpdt8nr7 |
| 20:05.46 | freemangordon | this is what it gives |
| 20:07.19 | vi__ | freemangordon: it does appear to play media, will need to compare performance later. |
| 20:07.33 | freemangordon | vi__: it deffinitely plays media, I was asking abot performance |
| 20:07.40 | freemangordon | so ok |
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| 20:30.35 | akls | I've tried solution #7 http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash |
| 20:31.00 | akls | so I connected my n900, and in gparted I've formatted vfat partition to ext3 |
| 20:31.19 | akls | now when I boot n900 everything is screwed |
| 20:31.24 | akls | well, the OS works |
| 20:31.34 | akls | but all images are replaced with IMAGE NOT FOUND image |
| 20:31.42 | akls | and all gui thing is default |
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| 20:38.45 | vi__ | akls: that is because you need to change genfstab.awk to mount an ext partition instead of vfat 32. |
| 20:40.04 | akls | vi__, damn |
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| 20:40.57 | vi__ | you changed mydocs to ext? |
| 20:42.12 | kerio | hahahah wow |
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| 20:42.27 | akls | vi__, yes |
| 20:42.40 | kerio | hahahahahahahahahahahahahah |
| 20:42.46 | vi__ | read this: |
| 20:42.52 | vi__ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 |
| 20:45.10 | akls | vi__, alright |
| 20:45.18 | akls | now about fixing my current situation |
| 20:45.20 | akls | should I reflash? |
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| 20:47.09 | vi__ | I dont know. |
| 20:47.36 | vi__ | Afaik, all you have to do is alter genfstab.awk. |
| 20:47.55 | vi__ | then everything should be fixed. |
| 20:49.17 | vi__ | but I am not sure |
| 20:50.59 | akls | vi__, I think anything else is screwed... but reflashing would cause partition table to reset, right? |
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| 20:53.06 | vi__ | complete reflash will completely reset everything. |
| 20:53.34 | kerio | not everything, tho |
| 20:53.37 | kerio | ~n900-full-reset |
| 20:53.37 | infobot | from memory, n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers. |
| 20:53.55 | vi__ | kerio: keepup |
| 20:54.04 | vi__ | full re-flash |
| 20:54.30 | kerio | full reflash still doesn't reset TPS |
| 20:55.21 | vi__ | akls: after reflash, install backup menu first. |
| 20:56.01 | vi__ | then use gparted and increase /opt to 4-6GB or so. |
| 21:00.02 | MrPingu | Or edit the emmc image file ;) |
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| 22:33.43 | teotwaki | I kinda forgot I had that there. |
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| 22:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: BS, better edit VANILLA image *before* flashing |
| 22:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw you need to increase /home |
| 22:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 22:49.50 | infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 22:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, mrpingu already said that :-) |
| 22:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: we too ;-P |
| 22:51.16 | teotwaki | the silence was amazing, though. |
| 22:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 22:51.26 | teotwaki | And the wrath of the Council did not hammer our position. |
| 22:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody been missing anything |
| 22:51.46 | teotwaki | is Estel still on the council? |
| 22:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 22:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | time to remove the cloak |
| 22:52.20 | Woody14619a | Hasen't been for months. |
| 22:52.24 | akls | damn |
| 22:52.31 | akls | I was asking about keyboard layouts here |
| 22:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 22:52.44 | akls | and somebody told me to set my hardware layout to russian |
| 22:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 22:52.51 | akls | and it worked |
| 22:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 22:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 22:53.01 | akls | but now it doesn't work |
| 22:53.02 | *** mode/#maemo [+o teotwaki] by ChanServ |
| 22:53.04 | akls | well, it works |
| 22:53.10 | *** mode/#maemo [-o teotwaki] by teotwaki |
| 22:53.13 | akls | but when I switch back to Latin |
| 22:53.18 | akls | my arrow keys are screwed |
| 22:53.31 | akls | so the left arrow is russian б for some reason |
| 22:53.39 | akls | and down arrow is left arrow O_o |
| 22:53.45 | akls | so, just like in russian layout |
| 22:53.45 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: who gives the cloaks? |
| 22:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | freenode, by request of GC |
| 22:54.10 | teotwaki | GC? |
| 22:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | read: X-Fade |
| 22:54.18 | teotwaki | hmm |
| 22:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | GC == Group contact iirc |
| 22:55.13 | akls | I was on cssu stable, now I'm on cssu testing |
| 22:55.20 | akls | but wtf.. |
| 22:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's no diff for you |
| 22:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU doesn't mess with key layout |
| 22:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (basically, module NK-enter) |
| 22:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | molulo* |
| 22:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never seen a Russian kbd, I could figure they look as weird as the German ones, with only 2 combi-arrow keys |
| 22:57.22 | Woody14619a | FWIW: Council will all change over in a couple weeks reguardless, and cloaks can nuke and be set one last time. |
| 22:57.45 | Woody14619a | Speaking of, there is only about an hour left to vote for Board.... |
| 22:58.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | VOTE FOR BOARD!!!!! |
| 22:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOW! |
| 22:58.14 | teotwaki | I didn't get mah tokens |
| 22:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | we *will* find out if you don't :-o |
| 22:58.42 | teotwaki | I didn't get my tokens |
| 22:58.44 | teotwaki | can't vote |
| 22:58.51 | teotwaki | didn't get any email regarding it |
| 22:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: that's no excuse, this time yoiu can re-order them 500 times |
| 22:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: what's the URL? |
| 22:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org/vote? |
| 23:00.12 | akls | so, I'll try to make it clear. Hardware keyboard: English, Nederlands - everything works correctly. If I press left arrow I get the functionality of the left arrow. now I want to add russian layout! I set hardware keyboard layout to russian. Now it's russian layout and I can type in russian. Great. If I press left arrow, I get "б" letter. that's correct! OK! Now I want to switch back to english. I press ctrl+space, it says "Keyboard layout swit |
| 23:00.12 | akls | ched to Latin". Ok. I press Z - english Z is typed. But if I press left arrow then russian б is typed. WHAT THE FFFF? |
| 23:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 23:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 23:01.15 | akls | lol, did you try to reproduce it? |
| 23:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no kidding: reboot |
| 23:01.45 | Woody14619a | docscrutinizer05: yup, that's the url. |
| 23:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O O.o o.o O.O @.@ |
| 23:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | -.- |
| 23:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | x.x |
| 23:02.27 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, it was working correctly before reflashing |
| 23:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | reboot |
| 23:02.41 | akls | did that already |
| 23:02.45 | akls | I'll reboot again tho |
| 23:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | then reflash |
| 23:02.57 | akls | again? wtf? |
| 23:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes flashing partially fails |
| 23:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | rarely but not unheard |
| 23:03.25 | akls | wtf |
| 23:03.52 | teotwaki | heh |
| 23:03.53 | teotwaki | voted |
| 23:03.59 | teotwaki | token was in spam? |
| 23:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's caused by failed flash, but anyway a fresh flash gives you opportunity to check what you did just before problem starts |
| 23:04.29 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, I did nothing |
| 23:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, Nokia always sent spam ;-P |
| 23:04.33 | akls | it's a fresh reflash |
| 23:04.57 | akls | well, I have installed Faster Application Manager |
| 23:05.01 | akls | that's all I've done |
| 23:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 23:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also used it? |
| 23:05.37 | akls | hmmm, updated catalogs |
| 23:05.39 | akls | nothing else |
| 23:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's ZERO support for fapman from CSSU, since it's *evil* |
| 23:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman is known to do things it better wouldn't do |
| 23:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not ding things it ought |
| 23:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | doing* |
| 23:06.24 | akls | can't believe it screwed the keyboard |
| 23:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither |
| 23:06.40 | akls | could you try to reproduce the keyboard thing? |
| 23:06.44 | akls | or you already did? |
| 23:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but *something* obviously did |
| 23:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I have no russian kbd, even if i'd like to (which I don't) |
| 23:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait for our Russian hackers (we got several here) |
| 23:08.11 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, what do you mean by "I have no russian kbd"? |
| 23:08.14 | akls | it's there by default |
| 23:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | my kbd mapping is not exactly standard anymore |
| 23:08.46 | akls | oh |
| 23:10.43 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, where is the file describing hardware layouts? |
| 23:10.52 | akls | if it's even there |
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| 23:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | see wiki: customizing maemo |
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| 23:46.19 | reenignEesreveR | so i bought my friend's spare n900 |
| 23:46.25 | reenignEesreveR | but he doesn't remember its lock code |
| 23:46.29 | reenignEesreveR | i've tried the default ones |
| 23:46.39 | reenignEesreveR | 12345, 00000, 54321 ... didn't work |
| 23:46.50 | reenignEesreveR | what should i do? send it to nokia alongwith purchase receipt? |
| 23:47.09 | teotwaki | reenignEesreveR: do that, and you'll never get it back again. |
| 23:47.32 | reenignEesreveR | :( why? |
| 23:48.24 | teotwaki | Well, it's what happened to a lot of people who sent their N900 in for repair |
| 23:48.27 | teotwaki | they got an N8 back |
| 23:51.11 | reenignEesreveR | if they can send me back an N9, i might willingly send it ;) |
| 23:51.35 | reenignEesreveR | so whatshould i do about lock? |
| 23:54.45 | teotwaki | ~lock |
| 23:54.59 | teotwaki | ~lockcode |
| 23:54.59 | infobot | somebody said lockcode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
| 23:55.25 | teotwaki | or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 |
| 23:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jackit |
| 23:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): |
| 23:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | then have fun with john the ripper |
| 23:59.02 | reenignEesreveR | i dont have the shell |
| 23:59.11 | reenignEesreveR | i cant open anything else besides emergency call |