| 00:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless some "crack" "fixed" that |
| 00:02.58 | FIQ|n900 | i wouldn't call it a problem really |
| 00:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the basic working principle stays: uBoot executes a script: bootmenu.src in MyDocs |
| 00:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: problem? |
| 00:04.04 | FIQ|n900 | i.e. this: [01:52:16] <DocScrutinizer05> IOW if uboot tells you: >>your options are "1" "2" "3"...<< you still can do e.g. a `date` or `ls` |
| 00:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | types ^F probl<enter> |
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| 00:05.13 | FIQ|n900 | i don't see why you would fix so you can't do that |
| 00:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: I fail to spot the word "problem2"in here |
| 00:05.47 | FIQ|n900 | oh.. forget it |
| 00:06.02 | FIQ|n900 | it wasn't important |
| 00:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: my parser fails to put the rsults of your posts into context |
| 00:06.33 | FIQ|n900 | i said forget it |
| 00:07.10 | FIQ|n900 | now to find out why gpSP refuses to save in 128k flash format... |
| 00:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 00:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | parser fails again |
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| 00:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf gpSP |
| 00:08.20 | FIQ|n900 | because I don't like errors that complain on any 1M sub-circuit board |
| 00:08.30 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: gba emulator |
| 00:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf gba |
| 00:08.54 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: gameboy advance emulator |
| 00:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 00:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 00:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | goooodN8 |
| 00:09.54 | FIQ|n900 | gn |
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| 06:22.26 | foemost | hello |
| 06:22.38 | foemost | I have a small problem booting maemo using u-boot |
| 06:22.54 | foemost | mainly it loads the kernel but then it hangs at starting kernel... and reboots |
| 06:23.11 | foemost | the only way to have it working again is to reflash the stock kernel |
| 06:23.30 | foemost | I'm not booting power kernels, just the stock, and uboot does work for booting nitdroid |
| 06:23.39 | foemost | any ideas? |
| 06:24.41 | foemost | i looked on the forums at maemo.org but I couldn't find a similar problem, just an hint to sdl modules from n9 that might give problems, but i didn't install anything like that |
| 06:24.57 | Snafu777 | anyone get ngrep working for the n900? |
| 06:24.59 | Snafu777 | ?? |
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| 06:25.16 | dima` | /? |
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| 10:14.40 | akls | on the wiki it says " Ensure the battery is fully charged. Connect to charger until green light when screen locked!" but why? reflashing takes just some minutes and even 25% of battery is going to be enough |
| 10:17.46 | SpeedEvil | fully chaeged'ia perhaps overkill |
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| 10:26.51 | Lava_Croft | half charged is overkill too |
| 10:28.01 | StyXman | well, that is if everything went ok, if not, you'll need your battery |
| 10:28.44 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 10:29.06 | Lava_Croft | eyes his stack of BL-5J's |
| 10:29.48 | Lava_Croft | one day shit will hit the fan. After a week, I will be the only human in a wide radius with a working smartphone-ish device |
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| 10:34.00 | SpeedEvil | without power, my minimal load condition gets about 10 days tablet +dsl |
| 10:34.19 | Lava_Croft | i stream audio quite a lot, every day :< |
| 10:35.01 | SpeedEvil | but I can in an emergency hook the couple of solar panels I have up to the ups, and boost that to a point where it will work for most days in the year |
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| 12:03.45 | laptop3982 | SpeedEvil, do you have a local mirror of maemo repository for your survival phone? |
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| 12:40.34 | akls | I can't get dropn900 to work. I enter my email and my password and it says "email and/or password invalid". I'm 100% sure about my pass. What could be wrong? |
| 12:45.11 | Arkenoi | you enabled 2fa and forgot about that? |
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| 12:47.00 | akls | Arkenoi, 2fa? on dropbox? |
| 12:47.03 | akls | nope |
| 12:47.18 | akls | I can login using the browser easily |
| 12:51.25 | Skry | there was something you needed to besides installing it, cant remember what but it's on tmo thread |
| 12:51.37 | Skry | to do |
| 12:52.37 | SpeedEvil | lap - no, that's with internet connectivity |
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| 12:58.06 | akls | Skry, it says that I shouldn't install anything |
| 12:58.26 | akls | says thats installing dropn900 is all I have to do |
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| 13:03.34 | akls | anybody? :\ |
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| 13:20.48 | akls | oh come on! I really need it! |
| 13:21.02 | akls | how can I get more information about it? |
| 13:21.09 | akls | and should I try reinstalling it? |
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| 13:23.46 | teotwaki | would mirroring the maemo repos be of any use? |
| 13:23.52 | teotwaki | Are there rsync addresses available? |
| 13:33.09 | Skry | akls: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1162398&postcount=417 |
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| 13:53.04 | akls | Skry!!! |
| 13:53.11 | akls | Skry you're my savior :) |
| 13:53.13 | akls | thank you |
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| 13:57.19 | Skry | akls: np |
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| 15:58.41 | freemangordon | Pali: I am not sure my mail has reached the guy who is assessing u-boot patch, I don;t see any comment from him re thumb errata code |
| 16:00.58 | Pali | freemangordon, ok I can ask |
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| 16:24.32 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW your "high-endian" :P could be soved with something like le_to_cpu (or similar) |
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| 16:29.51 | Pali | big-endian :-) but there is no problem. 16bit value is devided into two 8 bit and called in correct order |
| 16:30.01 | Pali | it is working |
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| 16:38.38 | Pali | btw, your message is here: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-October/137308.html |
| 16:50.42 | freemangordon | :) |
| 16:51.47 | freemangordon | Pali: sure it is working, but I must admit I agree wioth that guy. can't you just 'OR' theam and do one 16 bit write to the register? |
| 16:52.20 | Pali | I really do not know. I reused linux driver |
| 16:52.31 | freemangordon | hmm, lemme open the TRM |
| 16:53.34 | Pali | and I see that in linux kernel and in uboot are used only 8bit i2c read/write functions |
| 16:55.05 | kerio | freemangordon: btw, why is thumb2 faster? just because of cache issues? |
| 16:56.47 | freemangordon | kerio: not only that, it has a couple of instructions not present in ARM |
| 16:57.11 | kerio | i thought ARM was supposed to be better |
| 16:57.28 | freemangordon | kerio: no |
| 17:00.18 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, by looking in TRM 16bit write is possible |
| 17:00.38 | freemangordon | Pali: do yo have swcu050g.pdf |
| 17:00.42 | freemangordon | *you |
| 17:01.10 | Pali | spruf98v.pdf |
| 17:01.19 | freemangordon | "The register-addressing scheme in the device allows the capability to write to or read from multiple adjacent registers with simplified I2C signaling. |
| 17:01.22 | freemangordon | " |
| 17:01.41 | freemangordon | no, not cortex TRM, you need twl4030 TRM AIUI |
| 17:01.54 | Pali | this? http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/swcu050g/swcu050g.pdf |
| 17:02.04 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 17:02.21 | freemangordon | Pali: btw the correct TRM for n900 is "OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZM.pdf" |
| 17:02.22 | freemangordon | :P |
| 17:02.40 | Pali | can you give me link? |
| 17:03.03 | freemangordon | NFC where I did get that from, lemme google |
| 17:03.46 | freemangordon | http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZM.zip |
| 17:04.09 | freemangordon | maybe there is newer version, didn't check |
| 17:05.32 | Pali | hm, In notebook I have OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZT.pdf |
| 17:05.46 | Pali | and your link is M (my T) |
| 17:05.52 | Pali | it is new version? |
| 17:06.00 | Pali | or other version? |
| 17:06.14 | freemangordon | don;t know, seems like yours is newer |
| 17:06.33 | freemangordon | mine is "Version M" |
| 17:06.42 | freemangordon | "July 2007–Revised February 2011" |
| 17:07.28 | freemangordon | anyway, where in that TRM is "TWL4030_CHIP_PM_MASTER" |
| 17:07.36 | Pali | July 2007 – Revised January 2012 |
| 17:08.03 | freemangordon | I don;t think there is such, so which section describes i2c addressing modes? |
| 17:08.11 | freemangordon | hmm, link? :P |
| 17:08.51 | entitled | is there any reason why not use thumb2? |
| 17:09.03 | Pali | it is #define in linux kernel |
| 17:09.14 | Pali | twlsomething.h maybe in i2c subdir |
| 17:09.24 | freemangordon | Pali: or just send it over IRC (if your client supports file transfers) |
| 17:09.34 | Pali | or devifine in uboot |
| 17:09.39 | freemangordon | Pali: but still, this is twl... TRM, not omap |
| 17:09.46 | Pali | but in TRM there is no TWL4030_CHIP_PM_MASTER |
| 17:11.16 | freemangordon | Pali: look on p80 in swcu050g.pdf |
| 17:11.27 | freemangordon | entitled: depends |
| 17:11.40 | freemangordon | on what you want to use it for :P |
| 17:12.12 | entitled | well mainly i'm puzzled about the compatibility |
| 17:12.29 | freemangordon | Pali: on p81 are PB_WORD_MSB/LSB regs |
| 17:12.43 | freemangordon | entitled: compatibility with what? |
| 17:13.18 | entitled | well with non-thumb2 builds |
| 17:13.19 | freemangordon | for sure you MUST NOT use kernel which does not support it |
| 17:13.32 | freemangordon | but otherwise there is no issue |
| 17:13.55 | kerio | ~2119 |
| 17:13.55 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 17:14.09 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 17:14.32 | freemangordon | Pali: so if there is 16 bit i2c access in uboot, you should be ok |
| 17:15.08 | freemangordon | just use cpu_to_be and you should be fine |
| 17:17.16 | freemangordon | Pali: __cpu_to_be16 is your functio, NFC if it exisis in u-boot |
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| 17:18.49 | freemangordon | Pali: http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/byteorder/little_endian.h;h=a46f3ecc12acf6cd532ee6424812861bdf1c5e95;hb=HEAD#l40 |
| 17:19.36 | freemangordon | hmm, actually it is little-endian |
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| 17:20.35 | freemangordon | according to TRM, so __cpu_to_le16 is what you need |
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| 17:26.50 | freemangordon | Pali: look here http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/twl4030.h;h=9cd32ab45a15dcc61ce537bf3316fd45dabd2b81;hb=HEAD#l499 |
| 17:28.12 | freemangordon | http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/i2c.h;h=16f099d2eeb906588a0f9233a42fb8b9a9847ef4;hb=HEAD#l156 |
| 17:28.14 | freemangordon | too |
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| 17:36.49 | laptop3982 | the latest seems to be http://www.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZV.zip |
| 17:39.12 | freemangordon | Pali: well, sorry, it is big-endian after all, so you should do something like : |
| 17:39.21 | freemangordon | u16 msg = __cpu_to_be16(MSG_SINGULAR(DEV_GRP_P1, id, mode)); |
| 17:39.21 | freemangordon | i2c_write(TWL4030_CHIP_PM_MASTER, TWL4030_PM_MASTER_PB_WORD_MSB, 1, &msg, sizeof(msg)); |
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| 18:08.15 | akls | so how can I install firefox? Links are not working! http://wiki.maemo.org/Firefox_mobile |
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| 18:26.57 | akls | ALRIGHT |
| 18:27.25 | akls | so I was trying to replace ash with bash |
| 18:27.44 | akls | I've edited the /etc/passwd file and changed /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| 18:27.51 | akls | but I have bash 4 installed |
| 18:28.00 | akls | so the path should be /bin/bash4 |
| 18:28.06 | akls | but now I can't change it :\ |
| 18:28.12 | akls | what can I do? |
| 18:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZM.zip p.2956 1-wire/HDQ -- if only Nokia was smart enough to copy smart battery of FR (they copied a few other things, so why not this?) |
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| 18:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: it's not recommended to replace default shell messybox by bash |
| 18:33.38 | akls | why? |
| 18:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | in former times it caused a bootloop (when done correctly(SIC), by also adding bash to /etc/shells etc) |
| 18:34.38 | akls | So what do yo suggest? |
| 18:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | initscripts and xsession et all may depend on messyboxisms |
| 18:34.50 | akls | To continue vomiting every time I see this damn shell? |
| 18:35.10 | akls | well, I'm not completely replacing it |
| 18:35.16 | akls | only for user and root in /etc/passwd |
| 18:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I have bash installed but not as default shell |
| 18:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 18:35.42 | infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 18:36.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw bash is only half of the cake, all the messybox unixtools crap needs proper replacements too, otherwise you still see messybox shit on e.g. `ls --help` and you still have to vomit ;-D |
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| 18:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: the bootloop been caused by *user* doing X aka HildonDesktop startup, when some of the scripts barfed up on proper ps/ls/grep/$command |
| 18:40.10 | akls | anyway, how can I fix my n900 now? |
| 18:40.23 | akls | it's up and running, but I can't get to x terminal now |
| 18:40.42 | akls | how can I edit /etc/passwd now? |
| 18:41.12 | kerio | akls: lol! |
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| 18:42.01 | kerio | hm, why do i have bash3 and not bash4? :o |
| 18:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | many users forgot to define bash in /etc/shells |
| 18:42.41 | kerio | bash-setup does that for you :3 |
| 18:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | man setusershell |
| 18:43.15 | akls | hey, really |
| 18:43.16 | kerio | akls: try ssh |
| 18:43.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | so they wonder why they still get messybox |
| 18:43.24 | kerio | maybe sshd is less archaic |
| 18:43.32 | akls | kerio, good idea |
| 18:43.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the result isn't messybox, the result is that you're unable to login |
| 18:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 18:44.48 | akls | kerio, is dropbear ssh server ok? |
| 18:44.58 | kerio | why the fuck did you install dropbear |
| 18:45.01 | kerio | it's a piece of crap |
| 18:45.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: you might be able to use mc or even filemanager to fix things, too |
| 18:45.06 | akls | I didn't |
| 18:45.24 | akls | kerio, I'm just looking for something to make ssh work |
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| 18:45.26 | kerio | oh, you still have to install it |
| 18:45.29 | kerio | openssh |
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| 18:45.40 | akls | it's not in the app manager :o |
| 18:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is, when you add the right repo |
| 18:46.02 | kerio | akls: or make a package that has "chsh user /bin/sh" in one of the install scripts |
| 18:46.04 | akls | OH |
| 18:46.06 | akls | it's there |
| 18:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 18:46.43 | infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 18:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install |
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| 18:51.56 | akls | kerio, how can I ssh to it now? I mean... which user should I use? |
| 18:52.05 | kerio | "user" |
| 18:52.39 | akls | Permission denied, please try again |
| 18:53.03 | kerio | didn't it make you set a password? |
| 18:53.09 | kerio | or maybe just for "root" |
| 18:53.10 | kerio | login as root |
| 18:53.23 | akls | it asked me for the password |
| 18:53.29 | akls | but somehow it does not accept it |
| 18:54.34 | akls | maybe I've typed it wrong both times? O_o |
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| 18:58.25 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
| 18:59.01 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: did you ever find a good sized 5.5v 1F cap to replace the internal battery? |
| 18:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 19:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: don't you think ssh also invokes a shell for user? |
| 19:00.40 | akls | that's what I thought about |
| 19:00.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but i think openssh doesn't use login |
| 19:00.51 | kerio | as in, the "login" binary |
| 19:00.56 | kerio | it does its own thing |
| 19:01.06 | kerio | also, i said to *try* |
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| 19:01.22 | kerio | akls: what did you do, did you actually change /bin/sh or did you just set the shell for user? |
| 19:01.35 | akls | kerio, I've changed /etc/passwd file |
| 19:01.49 | akls | kerio, replaced the /bin/sh to /bin/bash for root and user |
| 19:02.03 | kerio | if openssh doesn't work, you're probably boned |
| 19:02.11 | vi__ | kerio: google 'birds with arms' |
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| 19:02.35 | akls | kerio, I can install any app |
| 19:02.37 | kerio | vi__: WHY IS THIS A THING |
| 19:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: |
| 19:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.45 | akls | kerio, is there anything to change /etc/passwd file? |
| 19:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't paste! |
| 19:02.52 | vi__ | kerio: exactly |
| 19:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: see 3rd line |
| 19:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: uh? |
| 19:03.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i don't see a "login" there :) |
| 19:03.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf who cares about login |
| 19:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's sh |
| 19:03.41 | kerio | it's login that does the stupid check for the login shell in /etc/shells |
| 19:03.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 19:04.01 | kerio | has "/bin/bash" as the login shell for user *and* root, and everything works |
| 19:04.11 | akls | kerio, oh |
| 19:04.17 | akls | kerio, but I have bash 4 installed |
| 19:04.21 | akls | kerio, and it's bash4 |
| 19:04.25 | kerio | ok, whatever |
| 19:04.34 | kerio | just make sure that your login shell is listed in /etc/shells |
| 19:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: try mc!! |
| 19:04.58 | akls | kerio, if I install bash3, would it be /bin/bash? |
| 19:05.04 | akls | or /bin/bash3 ? |
| 19:05.04 | kerio | akls: i think it would |
| 19:05.12 | kerio | but don't focus on the specific path |
| 19:05.15 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, mc? |
| 19:05.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: we need a .deb that resets the login shell to /bin/sh |
| 19:05.35 | akls | oh, file manager |
| 19:05.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | pfff |
| 19:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | akls: mc has mcedit as well |
| 19:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | "F4" |
| 19:06.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: can mc escalate its priviledges? |
| 19:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | (if you wonder - F4 can be typed as "esc" "4" ) |
| 19:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: good question |
| 19:07.42 | kerio | otherwise... rescueos :D |
| 19:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 19:08.31 | akls | PHEWT |
| 19:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | classical shoot-in-own-foot, now we need a "vulenrability" to get in despite we locked us out |
| 19:10.10 | akls | fixed it by installing bash3 |
| 19:10.24 | kerio | oh, it was just a wrong shell? |
| 19:10.27 | kerio | that's even more hilarious |
| 19:10.35 | akls | kerio, ? |
| 19:10.44 | kerio | you put /bin/bash instead of /bin/bash4? |
| 19:10.47 | akls | kerio, in /etc/passwd I've typed /bin/bash |
| 19:10.48 | akls | yes |
| 19:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, iirc bash4 is actually /bin/bash4 |
| 19:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | while bash3 is /bin/bash |
| 19:12.47 | akls | kerio, now what about /etc/shells? |
| 19:13.01 | kerio | akls: afaik bash3's packaging adds /bin/bash to it |
| 19:13.04 | akls | kerio, /bin/bash4 and /bin/sh are already there |
| 19:13.17 | kerio | otherwise... dk |
| 19:13.18 | kerio | idk |
| 19:13.25 | akls | kerio, anything I should do with this file? |
| 19:13.32 | kerio | well, you can't modify it |
| 19:13.35 | kerio | can you? |
| 19:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat it, for a start |
| 19:13.51 | kerio | hmm, i wonder if mc can run arbitrary binaries |
| 19:13.52 | akls | I can, why not? |
| 19:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's even there |
| 19:13.55 | kerio | like "/bin/bash" |
| 19:14.08 | akls | /bin/bash4 |
| 19:14.10 | akls | /bin/sh |
| 19:14.33 | kerio | i mean, does it use exec* or does it use system? |
| 19:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, you should echo /bin/bash >>/etc/shells |
| 19:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but again, it's not recommended |
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| 19:15.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | though kerio claims it works now |
| 19:15.52 | kerio | it's been working since PR1.2 |
| 19:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it didn't back in PR1.N times, with N<2 |
| 19:23.21 | akls | "yeah, you should echo /bin/bash >>/etc/shells" why if I want to use bash4? |
| 19:23.46 | akls | and bash 4 is already there somehow |
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| 19:32.40 | akls | kerio, sudo gainroot open ash shell |
| 19:32.51 | akls | kerio, how did you fix it? |
| 19:33.03 | kerio | i didn't have to fix anything, idk |
| 19:33.14 | kerio | if you used chsh instead of editing /etc/passwd... |
| 19:33.37 | akls | kerio, can I edit it back and then use chsh? |
| 19:33.53 | kerio | you can chsh now |
| 19:33.59 | kerio | do you have a root shell running? |
| 19:34.10 | akls | yes |
| 19:34.52 | akls | chsh -s /bin/bash4 user && chsh -s /bin/bash4 root |
| 19:34.53 | akls | ? |
| 19:35.03 | akls | am I doing it right? |
| 19:35.14 | kerio | yep |
| 19:36.02 | akls | so I open up x terminal ( bash 4 ) |
| 19:36.09 | akls | then I type "sudo gainroot" |
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| 19:36.16 | akls | and now its ash again |
| 19:36.17 | akls | :\ |
| 19:36.21 | kerio | of course it is |
| 19:36.27 | akls | oh |
| 19:36.28 | kerio | gainroot is a fucking abomination |
| 19:36.38 | akls | sudo root then? |
| 19:36.40 | kerio | just add an appropriate entry in a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
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| 19:38.42 | akls | kerio, did you mean /etc/sudoers? :\ |
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| 19:40.39 | kerio | nope! |
| 19:40.50 | kerio | add it in a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and then run update-sudoers |
| 19:41.03 | kerio | otherwise it'll be overwritten as soon as something installs a new file there, in theory |
| 19:41.31 | akls | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-16-224120_960x148_scrot.png |
| 19:41.53 | kerio | sudser and rootsh are both fucking awful |
| 19:42.01 | akls | lol |
| 19:42.09 | kerio | sure, they're user-friendly |
| 19:42.21 | kerio | but root access shouldn't be available to users who need user-friendly |
| 19:47.31 | akls | kerio, got it! |
| 19:47.34 | akls | ok now |
| 19:47.38 | akls | I'll try rebooting... |
| 19:47.43 | akls | thanks! |
| 19:47.48 | akls | :) |
| 19:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudser is a brainfsck |
| 19:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:48.11 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not quoting this 3 times now, just for fun |
| 19:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2012-10-16 21:47:38] <akls> I'll try rebooting...)) famous last words :-P |
| 19:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -l `which sh` |
| 19:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2012-09-11 15:34 /bin/sh -> busybox |
| 19:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | think about that, then ponder if you *really* want to replace messybox by bash4 systemwide |
| 19:52.24 | akls | DocScrutinizer05, it worked |
| 19:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | "it worked" is irrelevant, "it still works, and I tested every possible case" is a tad more relevant but obviously an inherent lie |
| 19:54.41 | akls | and I had to change password again to ssh successfully |
| 19:56.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i tested every possible case! |
| 19:57.04 | kerio | i tested /bin/bash and /bin/BASH |
| 19:57.08 | kerio | the second one didn't work |
| 20:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh a joke, dude I'm really sub-par today |
| 20:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, gainroot is not exactly an abomination, it simply is using /bin/sh, see: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2012-09-11 15:34 /bin/sh -> busybox |
| 20:07.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | less /usr/sbin/gainroot |
| 20:08.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: gainroot, according to nokia, is a check for rd-mode and then a root shell |
| 20:08.43 | kerio | rootsh changes that file in a postinstall script, which is *already* a big fucking no |
| 20:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I admit >>HISTFILE=/root/.ash_history /bin/sh<< is a tad ... silly |
| 20:10.24 | kerio | there's a proper way to do what rootsh and sudser fail to do |
| 20:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...since it assumes /bin/sh is a synonym for ash |
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| 20:15.31 | kerio | meh, this kind of thing is a mess on the n900 :s |
| 20:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | messybox is a mess |
| 20:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything else is just a result of that |
| 20:16.36 | kerio | also the "single user, single login" thing |
| 20:16.44 | kerio | that's not necessarily busybox's fault |
| 20:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's correct |
| 20:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia dropped the ball there, for no good reason |
| 20:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's my uneducated notion on it |
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| 22:17.46 | FIQ|n900 | "unzip: zip flags 1 and 8 are not supported" is this busybox' fault or zip creator's fault? |
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| 22:31.35 | RST38h | dances, sacrifices a goat |
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| 23:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: hm? |
| 23:25.47 | Skry | he has some issues with animals, last time it was a hamster if i recall |
| 23:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe yep |
| 23:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I guess animal have problems with RST38h |
| 23:26.50 | Skry | yes, apparently |
| 23:29.53 | RST38h | Doc: Nothing personal towards the critters, just coding for Android |
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| 23:37.18 | SpeedEvil | sings at android. |
| 23:37.22 | SpeedEvil | sighs |
| 23:37.41 | SpeedEvil | stabs android vkbd, |
| 23:37.53 | RST38h | better stab SurfaceView |
| 23:38.23 | RST38h | so much quasisexual intercourse, and it does not even give you direct access to the framebuffer. |
| 23:38.38 | SpeedEvil | I'd pay $25 or so for a solution that enabled proper integration of X apps into it. |
| 23:38.52 | RST38h | that will cost you $25k |
| 23:39.02 | SpeedEvil | so that a KDE app could bring up and down wifi, foe example |
| 23:39.03 | RST38h | in development costs |
| 23:39.10 | SpeedEvil | I mean as a user. |
| 23:39.14 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 23:39.29 | RST38h | nobody gives a damn about android users |
| 23:39.31 | RST38h | even google |
| 23:39.59 | SpeedEvil | it's basically the same issue as wanting x apps to be able to interact with windows programs in wine. |
| 23:40.16 | SpeedEvil | indeed. |
| 23:40.44 | SpeedEvil | in many ways I'd like to be able t buy a Google subscription. |
| 23:40.57 | SpeedEvil | and turn off all the ads. |
| 23:42.40 | RST38h | you can turn off all the ads |
| 23:43.04 | RST38h | search "LuckyPatcher", except that I specifically check for it in my apps and refuse to run =) |
| 23:43.29 | SpeedEvil | well, yes. :-) |
| 23:43.47 | SpeedEvil | my hugest objection to android is the permission model. |
| 23:44.00 | RST38h | Actually, need to figure out just what exactly it does at the low level and kill it properly |
| 23:44.12 | RST38h | With minimal collateral damage |
| 23:44.30 | SpeedEvil | 5 of the 6 top calculator apps have all the permissions they need to scan my network at 3am, and report back to China. |
| 23:44.37 | SpeedEvil | or start spamming |
| 23:44.41 | RST38h | that too |
| 23:44.51 | RST38h | but it is no different from Symbian or [hehe] Harmattan |
| 23:45.10 | SpeedEvil | 'same origin' internet connectivity would be a bit better |
| 23:45.31 | SpeedEvil | and a separate channel to push as even better yet |
| 23:45.33 | RST38h | permission contract models basically suck, yes |
| 23:45.36 | SpeedEvil | sure |
| 23:45.43 | SpeedEvil | push as |
| 23:45.51 | SpeedEvil | ads |
| 23:45.54 | SpeedEvil | grr |
| 23:46.09 | RST38h | considers publishing his own calculators apps |
| 23:46.33 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Will you use something like this? http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ |
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| 23:47.10 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 23:47.15 | SpeedEvil | to be honest |
| 23:47.23 | RST38h | oh well |
| 23:47.34 | SpeedEvil | currently using 'realcalc' |
| 23:48.08 | SpeedEvil | but I don't think I've actually used it for more than a 4 op calculator |
| 23:48.22 | SpeedEvil | the market can feel extremely shallow |
| 23:48.29 | RST38h | mine is actually better btw |
| 23:48.34 | SpeedEvil | there are half a down 'cad' apps |
| 23:48.38 | SpeedEvil | dozen |
| 23:48.52 | SpeedEvil | they all suck on touchscreens |
| 23:48.54 | RST38h | Yes, Captain Obvious |
| 23:49.26 | SpeedEvil | there is be proof of concept thing with an awesome idea that nobody uses |
| 23:49.39 | RST38h | Because (1) Free or $.99 apps are not worth developing and maintaining |
| 23:49.44 | SpeedEvil | one finger moves cursor, which is offset |
| 23:50.02 | SpeedEvil | other finger is 'pen up/down' |
| 23:50.14 | SpeedEvil | and discovery is a bitch |
| 23:50.24 | RST38h | and (2) Chinese can produce dozens of apps a month, but it does not mean you will want to use any of them |
| 23:52.05 | RST38h | Funny how all these calc apps look the same =) Kids just ain't all that inventive nowadays... |
| 23:52.40 | SpeedEvil | not looking the same is a legitimate barrier to entry |
| 23:53.12 | RST38h | hehe |
| 23:54.44 | SpeedEvil | is annoyed at the charge metre driver of the nexus 7. |
| 23:54.55 | SpeedEvil | doesn't expose current_now |
| 23:54.58 | SpeedEvil | wtf |
| 23:55.34 | RST38h | ...SCP-1867 is a nudibranch of the species Nembrotha kubaryana (variable neon slug), measuring 11.7 cm (4.6 inches) in length. It identifies itself as Lord Theodore Thomas Blackwood, a British explorer and naturalist, speaks with terminology and style appropriate to late nineteenth century England, and is generally friendly and cooperative with researchers. |
| 23:56.42 | SpeedEvil | slide rule looks awesome |
| 23:56.58 | SpeedEvil | but I they to avoid derivatives these days :-) |
| 23:57.02 | SpeedEvil | try |
| 23:57.12 | RST38h | How about ratios? |
| 23:57.29 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 23:57.35 | RST38h | SlideRule will try simplifying a ratio for you before going to decimal point and losing precision |
