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| 08:36.24 | Raimu | Well well. Raspi b just got its RAM memory doubled. |
| 08:37.57 | M4rtinK | Raimu: lol :) |
| 08:38.26 | M4rtinK | we are doing a group order at the moment - hope we can apply for this :) |
| 08:39.08 | Raimu | M4rtinK: Every unit b that's bought from now onwards or is in queue will be the 512MB version. Same price. |
| 08:39.13 | Raimu | http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180 |
| 08:41.52 | Skry | mm, ok I'm ordering one now |
| 08:43.57 | Skry | sick of waiting for cubie |
| 08:46.38 | deepy | I'm still waiting for mine to ship |
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| 08:48.19 | Raimu | deepy: Mm, me too. |
| 08:48.36 | deepy | When did you order yours? |
| 08:48.50 | Raimu | I think early summer. :P |
| 08:49.21 | deepy | June 27th here |
| 08:54.29 | xorxnor | wow, signs of life |
| 08:54.51 | xorxnor | Why does everyone want a Rasberry Pi so badly? What will you do with it? |
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| 08:55.36 | deepy | I'm gonna connect it to a TV |
| 08:55.36 | Raimu | We want it because of reasons. |
| 08:55.39 | Raimu | All of the reasons. |
| 08:55.45 | deepy | given the small size of it and that it has HDMI |
| 08:56.04 | xorxnor | But will BRCM release libraries so you can use it to decode video? |
| 08:56.30 | deepy | Didn't it have a chip for HD decoding? |
| 08:57.08 | deepy | I can't remember since the bloody thing never ships! |
| 08:57.09 | xorxnor | I doubt it. |
| 08:57.19 | xorxnor | Maybe an HDMI PHY, but that's different. |
| 08:58.26 | Raimu | It does have a chip that can decode a lot of video streams in hardware. |
| 08:58.54 | xorxnor | Are you talking about the main SoC? |
| 08:58.57 | Raimu | I don't know the deal with the drivers, though. That's often more complicated. |
| 09:00.11 | Raimu | Yea. |
| 09:00.14 | deepy | "If you have an outstanding order with either distributor, you will receive the upgraded device in place of the 256MB version you ordered." |
| 09:00.22 | deepy | does that mean I'm getting a 512MBer? |
| 09:00.32 | Raimu | deepy: I believe yes. |
| 09:00.38 | deepy | Neat |
| 09:00.41 | xorxnor | Well, good luck with anything BRCM based. |
| 09:00.47 | fizzie | They released some codecs (MPEG2, VC-1) with a separately-purchasable license, and had some (MPEG4/H.264) included in the launch. |
| 09:01.48 | deepy | The GPU provides Open GL ES 2.0, hardware-accelerated OpenVG, and 1080p30 H.264 high-profile decode. |
| 09:01.59 | xorxnor | When you have it working for real, let me know. |
| 09:02.05 | deepy | Given that 90% of my video is already in H.264 I think this will work nicely |
| 09:02.16 | xorxnor | BRCM is the king of claims and faltering in delivery |
| 09:02.36 | fizzie | It should be working "for real" with omxplayer/XBMC right now. |
| 09:02.50 | deepy | I heard there were some rather nasty issues with XBMC on RPI |
| 09:05.18 | xorxnor | Any of you dudes use an N9? |
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| 13:59.15 | Sicelo | ok. Opera 12 segfaults on my N900 |
| 13:59.17 | Sicelo | :-/ |
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| 14:27.14 | kerio | when? |
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| 16:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: zeq?? |
| 16:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | no dilusion? |
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| 16:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | (hidden join/quit/nick here) |
| 16:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-10-15T15:14:04 \o/ |
| 16:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-10-15T15:39:39 :-( |
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| 16:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-10-15T19:15:00 DocScrutinizer05 waves o/ and vanishes |
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| 17:08.32 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, seems he is alive after all :D |
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| 18:00.55 | kerio | Pali: stupid idea: make u-boot-generate-bootmenu build an init script for every proper bootmenu-n900 entry, equivalent to preinit+bootmenu+automatic choice |
| 18:01.54 | kerio | by stupid i mean awesome |
| 18:01.55 | kerio | and stupid |
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| 18:17.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my backups become a lot smaller when compressed with bzip2 |
| 18:17.59 | kerio | clearly, we should look into transparent bzip2 compression |
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| 19:10.32 | vi__ | is this legit? |
| 19:10.35 | vi__ | http://www.mobilephone-spares.com/Nokia-N950-LCD-Display.html |
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| 19:11.50 | laxsill | Hi everyone! |
| 19:11.55 | kerio | hi dr nick |
| 19:12.51 | vi__ | will the n950 ever achieve the levels of greatness of the n900? |
| 19:13.50 | nox- | doubtful as there were only a few of them produced and never really sold |
| 19:14.42 | kerio | vi__: what kind of stupid question is that |
| 19:14.44 | kerio | of course not |
| 19:14.47 | kerio | i mean, duh |
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| 19:18.20 | ShadowJK | Maybe if they'd sold them |
| 19:22.23 | kerio | ShadowJK: yeah but, you know... elop |
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| 19:29.13 | vi__ | ? |
| 19:30.24 | kerio | vi__: ELOP |
| 19:33.29 | vi__ | eFLOP |
| 19:33.54 | nox- | definitely |
| 19:33.58 | vi__ | STEPHEN 'COCK BLOCK' EFLOP |
| 19:34.59 | vi__ | I just want a pocket linux comouter, I have money. Why will no one sell me one? |
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| 19:35.50 | vi__ | why wont the chinese people jump on this shit? |
| 19:36.34 | kerio | vi__: they are! with android! |
| 19:36.37 | kerio | ducks |
| 19:36.56 | vi__ | android can go suck a fuck. |
| 19:37.03 | kerio | vi__: also the openpandora |
| 19:37.06 | kerio | which is about as powerful as the n900 |
| 19:37.19 | vi__ | it needs to have phone. |
| 19:37.19 | kerio | but with an embedded joypad |
| 19:37.38 | kerio | bluetooth PAN with a recent dumbphone? |
| 19:37.40 | vi__ | android |
| 19:37.46 | vi__ | seriously |
| 19:37.56 | kerio | no, no, android is bullshit |
| 19:38.00 | kerio | i agree wholeheartedly |
| 19:38.15 | vi__ | n multi tasking AND fucking adverts on everything. |
| 19:39.14 | vi__ | paired with dumbphone sucks. it means you need 2 devices. |
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| 19:41.30 | vi__ | I read the story of meego article. |
| 19:41.39 | vi__ | So sad. |
| 19:41.48 | vi__ | So much potential win. |
| 19:42.04 | vi__ | down the toilet. |
| 19:42.49 | vi__ | In other news, windows 8 despite the retarded interface can take a fork bomb like a champ. |
| 19:46.59 | kerio | :D |
| 19:48.19 | teotwaki | so, android is bullshit, but windows is good? |
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| 19:50.12 | vi__ | no |
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| 19:50.30 | vi__ | windows is a doomed platform anyway. |
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| 19:51.03 | vi__ | the future belongs to an OS that is easily ported across architectures. |
| 19:51.08 | vi__ | i.e. |
| 19:51.15 | vi__ | netBSD |
| 19:51.35 | teotwaki | so, why is android crap? |
| 19:52.07 | vi__ | apart from spraying personal data far and wide. |
| 19:52.29 | vi__ | apart from no even fully supporting the power domains of the arm cpu |
| 19:52.47 | vi__ | apart from not actually multi-tasking |
| 19:53.11 | SpeedEvil | exactly |
| 19:53.18 | vi__ | apart from being a glorified JVM |
| 19:53.44 | SpeedEvil | android is not an OS. it's an emulator. |
| 19:53.55 | vi__ | apart from actually being closed sorce where it counts. |
| 19:54.12 | teotwaki | vi__: you mean like maemo? |
| 19:54.35 | vi__ | teotwaki: maemo is FAR from perfect |
| 19:54.42 | vi__ | however it is the best so far. |
| 19:54.56 | vi__ | a nice, easy to use OS. |
| 19:55.12 | teotwaki | I've played around with the Note 2 |
| 19:55.17 | teotwaki | And I really liked it |
| 19:55.42 | vi__ | cool, does it have cron, awk, sed and/or grep? |
| 19:56.46 | shanttu | I mostly use ics (cm9) on my touchpad. I hate it. The browser is just so much better than on webOS |
| 19:57.09 | teotwaki | no idea about cron |
| 19:57.09 | teotwaki | but cyanogenmod does provide bash |
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| 19:58.41 | teotwaki | vi__: ^ |
| 19:58.43 | vi__ | now here is a Q. |
| 19:58.57 | vi__ | I can get bash on windows. |
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| 19:59.20 | teotwaki | shanttu: I really enjoy my touchpad, just feels underpowered. That, and I bricked the application manager |
| 19:59.37 | vi__ | However it is more or less useless because controlling 'dows from the cmd is undocumented and clunky. |
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| 20:00.10 | vi__ | Is bash on android any use? |
| 20:00.26 | vi__ | Can I just start programs willy nilly? |
| 20:00.41 | vi__ | can I run scripts to control everything? |
| 20:01.11 | StyXman | vi__: well, you have a castrated reimplementation of busybox |
| 20:01.28 | teotwaki | StyXman: he's talking about Android, not Maemo. |
| 20:01.35 | StyXman | teotwaki: me too |
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| 20:01.42 | StyXman | maemo *has* busybox |
| 20:01.56 | StyXman | android has... bionic, was it called? |
| 20:01.57 | teotwaki | oh, right. |
| 20:02.03 | vi__ | on maemo, busybox is very functional. |
| 20:02.12 | merlin1991 | ~messybox |
| 20:02.12 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 20:02.22 | StyXman | or was that the name of the castrated reimplementation of ยต-libc? |
| 20:02.33 | vi__ | you can spam dbus and conrol the phone over ssh. |
| 20:02.54 | vi__ | I am asking, do you have that same level of control with android. |
| 20:02.57 | vi__ | ? |
| 20:03.06 | StyXman | teotwaki: and then you can install awk sed, grep, bash, etc on maemo |
| 20:03.30 | StyXman | on android, I don't see it coming |
| 20:03.42 | StyXman | maybe with cyanogenmod |
| 20:03.46 | StyXman | dunno, really |
| 20:03.56 | vi__ | StyXman: dont forget idont's "full fat" busybox. |
| 20:04.01 | StyXman | I saw how was a barebones android 2 years ago |
| 20:04.06 | vi__ | so the answer is no? |
| 20:04.24 | vi__ | bash is but a useless novelty then? |
| 20:04.35 | vi__ | sorry, ash. |
| 20:05.32 | StyXman | but then, I think maemo and android aim to two different markets |
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| 20:05.43 | StyXman | android aims to smartphones for dumb people |
| 20:05.50 | vi__ | obviously. |
| 20:05.52 | StyXman | (ok, take out the dumb part) |
| 20:06.04 | StyXman | while maemo is more like a portable computer with 3g |
| 20:06.08 | vi__ | android is retard devices for retarded population. |
| 20:06.26 | StyXman | vi__: well, I guess the hw is ok |
| 20:06.30 | teotwaki | maybe so |
| 20:06.37 | vi__ | the hardware rules. |
| 20:06.43 | teotwaki | but in the end, the hw you get on the note 2 blows anything else on the market out of the water |
| 20:06.59 | StyXman | but it's clear from the fact that there are not many (3, maybe) models with keyboard |
| 20:07.00 | teotwaki | heck, the note 2 has more horsepower than the laptop i'm typing this on |
| 20:07.16 | vi__ | could you imagine debian+hildon+motorola atrix? |
| 20:08.39 | vi__ | teotwaki: that is what is so wrong with android. We now have these pocket sized computers that exceed the power of desktops from only a decade ago. |
| 20:09.07 | vi__ | Except they don't have a fully functioning OS. |
| 20:09.16 | StyXman | vi__: +1 |
| 20:09.29 | teotwaki | yes, it would be nice, probably |
| 20:09.45 | teotwaki | then let's make it |
| 20:09.55 | teotwaki | I mean, how hard can it be? |
| 20:10.20 | vi__ | It is like taking the steering wheel and pedals out of a bugatti veyron and replacing them with a boat tiller. |
| 20:11.00 | vi__ | teotwaki: I know you are being obtuse. |
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| 20:12.08 | vi__ | what I would do for an atrix/maemo crossover. |
| 20:12.38 | vi__ | My laptop broke and the n900 has been my only computer for months now. |
| 20:13.02 | teotwaki | I'm being obtuse? |
| 20:13.09 | vi__ | If only I could plug it into a real monitor. |
| 20:13.39 | StyXman | maybe a moto droid 3 |
| 20:14.06 | vi__ | teotwaki: You are a software developer, you know how hard developing new hardware is. |
| 20:14.14 | Skry | displaylink? |
| 20:14.35 | teotwaki | vi__: I know most of the software is there |
| 20:14.36 | vi__ | Skry: no one seems to know if it works for the n900. |
| 20:14.48 | teotwaki | vi__: it's just a matter of getting it on the hardware |
| 20:14.55 | vi__ | teotwaki: and the hardware is too. |
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| 20:15.11 | vi__ | teotwaki: I thought you meant start from scratch. |
| 20:15.12 | StyXman | ah, droid 4 |
| 20:16.01 | teotwaki | and if you don't stop being so condescending towards me, I'll get you off this channel in two commands. |
| 20:16.13 | vi__ | top spec android phone+linux=STFU&take my money. |
| 20:16.14 | MrPingu | Hi |
| 20:16.26 | vi__ | teotwaki: me? |
| 20:16.29 | MrPingu | Where's that ngrep snafu777 talked about? |
| 20:16.32 | teotwaki | aye |
| 20:16.57 | vi__ | teotwaki: chill out. I think there has been a misunderstanding. |
| 20:17.13 | teotwaki | no |
| 20:17.21 | teotwaki | you act like a douche |
| 20:17.31 | teotwaki | you piss on everything everyone's done |
| 20:17.36 | vi__ | wtf? |
| 20:17.37 | teotwaki | maemo is dead |
| 20:17.40 | teotwaki | meego is dead |
| 20:17.45 | teotwaki | jolla is vaporware |
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| 20:18.42 | teotwaki | debian runs on the galaxy tab |
| 20:18.56 | teotwaki | and android is actually nice to use |
| 20:19.00 | teotwaki | nicer than maemo has ever been |
| 20:19.14 | teotwaki | and yes, I do mean shiny polish |
| 20:19.25 | teotwaki | but fuck me, i'm tired of ugly interfaces |
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| 20:20.31 | teotwaki | if nobody worked their arse off on maemo, it would be a god damn piece of shit, exactly the same as what you perceive android to be right now |
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| 20:21.06 | teotwaki | remember the optification disaster? |
| 20:21.24 | StyXman | what I don't like in android (ok, at least from 2 years ago) is that most apps only use google services. if oyu have your own mail, maps, whatever, you're out of luck |
| 20:21.31 | vi__ | I dont't understand why you are ranting. |
| 20:24.31 | teotwaki | i'm ranting because if the people who worked their magic on maemo had spent half the time they spent bitching about android actually trying to improve android, it would be awesome |
| 20:24.57 | wmarone_ | work for free for google? |
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| 20:25.33 | teotwaki | wmarone_: oh fuck off, like we didn't work for free for nokia |
| 20:25.57 | vi__ | teotwaki: are you qwerty12? |
| 20:26.04 | teotwaki | no |
| 20:26.11 | wmarone_ | you're as angry and immature as he is |
| 20:26.30 | wmarone_ | never quite see someone go out in as spiteful a firework show as that |
| 20:27.03 | teotwaki | wmarone_: well, re-read qwerty's last words, he left a paragraph for me |
| 20:27.16 | wmarone_ | no thanks |
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| 20:27.31 | teotwaki | Colour me sour, I'm just tired of people bitching about android, but not doing anything to fix things. |
| 20:27.38 | wmarone_ | in any case, ranting about Nokia now is stupid |
| 20:27.57 | wmarone_ | teotwaki: you can't fix what's wrong with Android because it's systemic and developed behind closed doors by Google |
| 20:28.02 | ilink_sycbase | maemo nice meego ok whats next jolla or tizen |
| 20:28.17 | teotwaki | jolla is vapourware |
| 20:28.18 | vi__ | teotwaki: oh wait...? you are THE french guy on IRC?? |
| 20:28.31 | teotwaki | vi__: except i'm not french, but yes. |
| 20:28.32 | vi__ | I always assumed it was DocScrutinizer |
| 20:28.37 | teotwaki | Doc is german |
| 20:28.44 | vi__ | I know. |
| 20:29.00 | plourde | hello i have posted in the n900 uboot ubuntu 12.04/12.10 forums and i just cant seem to get palis uboot to boot any menu entries im so confused on this, ubuntu boots when i use just the cmd boot, or run sdboot, maemo will not boot off emmc and i have partitioned nitdroid on the emmc as well and nothing will boot, i just reflashed my phone |
| 20:29.16 | plourde | please help if anyone can, i am so frusterated with myself |
| 20:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:29.49 | teotwaki | anyway, going to make food, bbiab |
| 20:31.53 | plourde | any help would be great, thanks everyone |
| 20:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | plourde: ask Pali |
| 20:33.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | but ask |
| 20:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 20:33.27 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 20:34.15 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, sorry I do not have time. I'm trying to solve: https://www.spoj.pl/problems/PLHOP/ |
| 20:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeeek |
| 20:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly some modular arithmetic |
| 20:35.31 | plourde | im so confused on how to get anything to boot, beeen trying for a while with no luck, i just need to understand how to set up the bootmenu,item properly |
| 20:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hte main problem is: bootmenu.d is not meant for configuring uBoot |
| 20:38.22 | merlin1991 | err it is |
| 20:38.24 | merlin1991 | you drop your stuff |
| 20:38.34 | merlin1991 | then you run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 20:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just a location where multiboot stores some crap, and uBoot tries to convert this to a proper config that behaves similar to multiboot |
| 20:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: that's exactly the flaw in uBoot concept as we got it right now |
| 20:39.18 | plourde | ok so what should i do, i am going to try installing again, i tried to use palis tarball as well with the kernels and nothing worked, also i did the u-boot-update-bootmenu they added and nothing would boot |
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| 20:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: it's like telling firefox users to edit bookmark in msie and then import them from there |
| 20:41.14 | plourde | used dkpg -i to install his 2 packages and tried adding his tarball package and it showed up in the menu and so did the ones it found but none would actually boot to an OS |
| 20:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | plourde: sorry, I don't know what's currently suggested procedure to get uBoot configured and installed correctly |
| 20:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd edit the original uBoot menu script all day, rather then messing with bootmenu.d/* and u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 20:43.10 | plourde | i have tried to read the forums i just cant figure it out, im pathetic lol, driving me mad actually. |
| 20:43.46 | plourde | i just dont know how to do any of this, i truly have read a lot, the old uboot pr13 works, but in that case i cant add nitdroid, using palis uboot i can |
| 20:43.52 | merlin1991 | plourde: which hw revision do you have? |
| 20:43.55 | merlin1991 | also which version of u-boot did you try to install |
| 20:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's just because they are not explaining what's actually going on, and suggest editing firefox bookmarks via ms internet explorer |
| 20:44.41 | plourde | i have the latest cssu stable installed |
| 20:44.51 | merlin1991 | because there is a known problem with hw revisions other than 2101 and u-boot that prevents booting any kernel (except really recent ones) on a specific version of u-boot |
| 20:45.47 | merlin1991 | plourde: check what you have in /proc/component_version |
| 20:46.15 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: how exactly is it different from let's say current grub? |
| 20:46.27 | merlin1991 | s/let's/lets/ |
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| 20:46.46 | merlin1991 | you also edit files in /etc/grub.d or something and then run update-grub |
| 20:46.47 | plourde | i check |
| 20:47.17 | plourde | i know how to use grub to a small extent lol but this is rough, i just reflashed my phone again and was going to update the cssu update stable again |
| 20:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: that's maybe same procedure, but a completely different background |
| 20:47.44 | merlin1991 | err why? |
| 20:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | because bootmenu.d is property of bootmenu, first instance |
| 20:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly because uBoot wouldn't need any update-uboot |
| 20:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has a script that's meant to be human readable and editable |
| 20:49.32 | merlin1991 | so if I do a $package that creates an entry in /etc/$package which would be a perfectly sane name for the new $packagey I own that directory or what? |
| 20:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you say so |
| 20:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry parser-error |
| 20:50.19 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: editing firefox bookmarks through ie? |
| 20:50.31 | vi__ | what is this? |
| 20:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what uBoot u-boot-update-bootmenu does |
| 20:51.01 | plourde | so what are the steps i should take for a proper boot menu, update lastest css stable, then what? |
| 20:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the uboot suggested procedure is to edit bootmenu.d/* entries and then **import** that from bootmenu to uBoot |
| 20:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-15 22:45:47] <merlin1991> plourde: check what you have in /proc/component_version |
| 20:52.08 | vi__ | when I boot my n900 with kbd open I see a menu that says 1. maemo, 2. backup menu. It is black text on white background. |
| 20:52.10 | merlin1991 | plourde: see if you have hw revision 2101 or not |
| 20:52.19 | vi__ | do I have uboot installed? |
| 20:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 20:52.40 | vi__ | it appeared when I installed kp51. |
| 20:52.44 | plourde | do i need root to check proc/component |
| 20:52.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got backupmenu installed I'd think |
| 20:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, scratch that |
| 20:52.57 | vi__ | ty |
| 20:53.04 | plourde | just started fresh again, no uboot yet |
| 20:53.13 | merlin1991 | plourde: nope works as user just cat it |
| 20:53.37 | plourde | not sure how to cat it, cd /proc/ ? |
| 20:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I can't tell what you got installed |
| 20:54.03 | merlin1991 | plourde: just cat /proc/component_version |
| 20:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | type: cat /proc/componen* |
| 20:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and enter |
| 20:54.45 | plourde | hw build is 2204 |
| 20:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 20:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | problem |
| 20:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not you |
| 20:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's your hw-rev |
| 20:55.21 | plourde | so what now? hmm |
| 20:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | get newest uBoot |
| 20:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik it's fixed there |
| 20:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask Pali |
| 20:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or freemangordon, or merlin1991 |
| 20:56.00 | plourde | from where? i downloaded directly from pali's post on rx 51 uboot |
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| 20:56.06 | merlin1991 | plourde: gimme a sec |
| 20:56.11 | plourde | thanks so much |
| 20:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 20:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the inconvenience |
| 20:57.34 | plourde | always going to have some sort of issue to start lol i just couldnt figure anything out it was so hard on the brain, i always figured out grub and grub2 menu's this i just couldnt figure out |
| 20:58.02 | vi__ | plourde: you installed nitroid. |
| 20:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically all same as grub |
| 20:58.03 | merlin1991 | plourde: btw the real "menu" that is used is bootmenu.src in MyDocs |
| 20:58.17 | vi__ | you were asking for pain. |
| 20:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that bootmenu.src in MyDocs is what should get edited by user |
| 20:58.44 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | not some random bootmenu.d/* files |
| 20:59.05 | plourde | i had repartitioned emmc to allow nitdroid to be on it, 8g 21 g custom flash i believe was used |
| 20:59.09 | plourde | for more application room |
| 20:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | bootmenu.d is for bootmenu - you beg for truble with bootmenu when you mess with the files in there |
| 21:00.11 | plourde | ok |
| 21:00.15 | plourde | good to know |
| 21:00.16 | merlin1991 | I don't see how that could happen if you have u-boot installed, since u-boot or bootmenu both go into the same flash area afaik |
| 21:00.28 | merlin1991 | thus there is no bootmenu when u-boot is installed |
| 21:00.32 | merlin1991 | could be wrong though |
| 21:00.47 | plourde | bootmenus show up they just dont boot to maemo |
| 21:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | in bootmenu.d you configure bootmenu, like in ie your configure ie bookmarks. you don't configure firefox bookamrks in ie and then export to firefox - you don't edit uBoot config in bootmenu.d and then export |
| 21:01.27 | merlin1991 | plourde: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/u-boot-2012.10-rc3-1+zImage-2.6.28-omap1.fiasco |
| 21:01.30 | plourde | problem is i dont know how to do it i guess |
| 21:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: that's ultra-nonsense: bootmenu is a userland app |
| 21:01.44 | merlin1991 | if you flash that you should be able to boot everything again |
| 21:01.52 | merlin1991 | see [23:00:32] -*- merlin1991 could be wrong though |
| 21:01.58 | plourde | i downloaded the file, what do i do with it? |
| 21:02.06 | merlin1991 | user flasher to flash it to the device |
| 21:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | bootmenu is a script called by preinit |
| 21:02.16 | plourde | im sorry for the stupid questions |
| 21:02.57 | plourde | use ubuntu to flash it to the device? |
| 21:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | multiboot "exploits" bootmenu, and uBoot in fact reads out multiboot entries in bootmenu |
| 21:03.31 | *** join/#maemo tg (~tg@irc.tgbit.net) |
| 21:03.42 | merlin1991 | plourde: ubuntu or whatever you prefer .) |
| 21:04.29 | plourde | i have flasher 3.5 on ubuntu, so would i use this cmd, flasher-3.5 -F FILENAME -f -R ? |
| 21:04.41 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 21:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I could have arbitrary other config in my bootmenu.d which is neither relevant to applicable for uBoot. And I could want uBoot config that for sure I don't want to see in bootmenu.d/* |
| 21:05.18 | merlin1991 | and you could just not run the update script and instead edit hte bootmenu.src and be happy |
| 21:05.22 | merlin1991 | nobody tells you to use it |
| 21:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/to /nor / |
| 21:05.54 | plourde | merlin what commands to flash this fiasco image? |
| 21:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: right, except the "guides" on wiki and who-knows-where-else |
| 21:06.13 | merlin1991 | plourde: exactly what you wrote |
| 21:06.35 | plourde | thats it? i know sometimes when its emmc based you dont use the -R |
| 21:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | which tell everybody to do exactly that: mess with bootmenu config to edit uboot config |
| 21:06.48 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: let me rephrase nobody forces you to use it |
| 21:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | wrong: update-uboot is called in postinstall of uboot |
| 21:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | firefox asks "shall I import msie bookmarks?" |
| 21:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot doesn't ask |
| 21:08.08 | merlin1991 | also jsut saying, but bootmenu loads /etc/bootmenu.conf not /etc/bootmenu.d/* |
| 21:08.35 | plourde | so after i flash this fiasco image, should i install kernel power 51r1? this is the newest uboot so i dont need to do anything else correct? flash this normally holding down u as i start my phone and flash it, then reboot? |
| 21:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, I never looked in contemporary uBoot |
| 21:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | plourde: NO |
| 21:09.11 | merlin1991 | plourde: flash it by turning off your phone, start the flasher command on the pc and plug in the usb cord |
| 21:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't flash any other kernel, that will nuke your uBoot |
| 21:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot comes with own kernel |
| 21:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the other kernels will be image.bin files |
| 21:10.05 | merlin1991 | plourde: also you only have to install kernel power 51r1 if you want it, but be sure not to install the -flasher pkg but the -bootimg package |
| 21:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ bootimg |
| 21:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ==image.bin |
| 21:10.46 | plourde | thats what i though, so phone off first, no other kernels either or it fried, ok perfect going to try now on linux computer, ok the small 168kb file is the kernel power just not the multiboot image |
| 21:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT _flash_ a new kernel after installing uBoot |
| 21:11.23 | plourde | no i mean before i flash this image install kp51r1? |
| 21:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 21:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the kernel that comes piggyback with uBoot is a stock kernel afaik, it will want to find stock kernel modules in your rootfs |
| 21:12.33 | plourde | ok so just flash this image and reboot? |
| 21:12.35 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: that would still work even if he installs kp51r1 |
| 21:12.38 | merlin1991 | plourde: yes |
| 21:12.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you should install stock maemo kernel before you flash uBoot |
| 21:12.48 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: no |
| 21:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I stand corrected |
| 21:12.58 | plourde | im confused lol |
| 21:13.04 | merlin1991 | plourde: just flash and reboot |
| 21:13.11 | plourde | ok, no kp then |
| 21:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | do what merlin says |
| 21:13.38 | plourde | the kp allows the overclock which was nice, i wasnt sure, im sorry for all of this everyone |
| 21:13.55 | merlin1991 | ~oc |
| 21:13.55 | infobot | i heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s |
| 21:14.04 | merlin1991 | damn where's hte overclock quote? |
| 21:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc |
| 21:14.11 | infobot | methinks omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 21:14.17 | merlin1991 | basically it comes down to overlocking is bad for your health ;) |
| 21:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~overclock |
| 21:14.47 | infobot | I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm. |
| 21:15.07 | plourde | lol |
| 21:15.13 | plourde | so dont overclock then |
| 21:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~overclocking |
| 21:15.49 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 21:15.51 | plourde | you guys are miles above me for this stuff, i do osx86 a lot thats the extend to my programming capabilities lol |
| 21:15.54 | vi__ | I overclock 125-500MHz. |
| 21:16.07 | plourde | lol |
| 21:16.42 | vi__ | who wrote that ~overclocking? |
| 21:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo overclocking |
| 21:16.53 | infobot | overclocking -- created by greycat <wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Thu Jul 12 19:00:43 2001 (4113 days); it has been requested 38 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 4s ago. |
| 21:17.25 | vi__ | 9 Years ago?? |
| 21:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing changed ;-P |
| 21:17.52 | vi__ | THE greycat? |
| 21:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my book that's 11 years |
| 21:17.58 | vi__ | from #bash? |
| 21:18.22 | vi__ | that guy is a bro king. |
| 21:18.49 | vi__ | I went in and asked a dumb question about scripting...and he answered it! |
| 21:19.51 | vi__ | so these factoids are freenode wide? |
| 21:19.57 | vi__ | ~tmo |
| 21:19.57 | infobot | it has been said that tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 21:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-15 23:19:19] [314] DocScrutinizer05 greycat rfc1413 wooledge.org * Greg Wooledge |
| 21:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-15 23:19:19] [Whois] greycat ist angemeldet als greycat. |
| 21:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-15 23:19:19] [Whois] greycat ist auf dem Server moorcock.freenode.net (Mon Oct 15 21:10:44 2012). |
| 21:20.19 | vi__ | ~t-mo |
| 21:20.19 | infobot | i heard t-mo is T-Mobile |
| 21:20.29 | vi__ | ~T-MO |
| 21:20.29 | infobot | it has been said that t-mo is T-Mobile |
| 21:20.34 | vi__ | lame |
| 21:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: those without #channame are freenode-wide, yes |
| 21:20.41 | merlin1991 | epic quote: you need a certain minimum energy of electrons to strike a metal atom out of crystal, once you cross that limit it goes zooom |
| 21:20.45 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: cool |
| 21:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo |
| 21:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~power |
| 21:21.17 | infobot | methinks power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 21:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~_default power |
| 21:21.31 | infobot | methinks power is VI(electric potential difference)X(current) otherwise known as VIm |
| 21:21.46 | vi__ | ~seen U P |
| 21:21.57 | infobot | vi__: i haven't seen 'u p' |
| 21:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset #maemo |
| 21:21.57 | infobot | chan: #maemo (see _default also) |
| 21:21.57 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.02 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: that makes little sense. |
| 21:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? |
| 21:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | factoidSearch => $chan _default |
| 21:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | first search "$chan power" then "_default power" |
| 21:23.05 | vi__ | no |
| 21:23.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo power |
| 21:23.06 | infobot | power -- last modified at Tue Sep 25 17:51:32 2007 by findlay-w!n=justin@gocastlerock.com; it has been requested 9 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 36s ago. |
| 21:23.16 | vi__ | ~_defaultpower |
| 21:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo #maemo power |
| 21:23.17 | infobot | #maemo power -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Sat May 21 19:09:22 2011 (513 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 2m ago. |
| 21:23.34 | vi__ | ~_default power |
| 21:23.34 | infobot | methinks power is VI(electric potential difference)X(current) otherwise known as VIm |
| 21:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | in e.g #bash you will get same for plain ~power |
| 21:24.04 | vi__ | ~seen over 9000 penises. |
| 21:24.05 | infobot | vi__: i haven't seen 'over 9000 penises.' |
| 21:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | since: |
| 21:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset #bash |
| 21:24.10 | infobot | chan: #bash (see _default also) |
| 21:24.19 | plourde | awesome guys thanks! it created a menu for everything it looks like, maemo booted first boot perfect |
| 21:24.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 21:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, bot isn't in #bash |
| 21:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you get what I meant |
| 21:24.58 | vi__ | yeh |
| 21:25.43 | vi__ | ~seen diehard |
| 21:25.44 | infobot | diehard <~falco@132-215.prozeta.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 194d 23h 11m 46s ago, saying: 'Q: deb 6. BCM5722 Gigabit Ethernet - eth0 properly configured, internet reachable, but server is not reachable from local subnets. ping works, telnet also, but cant open web or ssh .. anyone?'. |
| 21:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, if you wanna define a factoid that's pretty chan specific, do so like "~#maemo <factoid> is foobar blabla |
| 21:26.06 | vi__ | ok |
| 21:26.27 | vi__ | I useually get spanked for breaking factoids though. |
| 21:26.34 | vi__ | ~vi_kbd |
| 21:26.38 | vi__ | ~vikbd |
| 21:26.41 | vi__ | ~vi-kbd |
| 21:26.41 | infobot | vi-kbd is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 21:26.49 | vi__ | booyah! |
| 21:26.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you won't break the original factoid that way, that's the whole point of the thing |
| 21:27.11 | plourde | maemo boots but nothing else due to i had other menuentries in it before that didnt work, need to be edited i guess |
| 21:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you go the route of real men and edit the original bootmenu.src in MyDocs |
| 21:28.29 | plourde | i would love to learn how :) |
| 21:28.47 | plourde | do i remove all the bad entries from the bootmenu folder that do not work |
| 21:28.48 | merlin1991 | just look at it, it sucks ass but is readable :D |
| 21:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | like explained for any uBoot on this world, since 10 years |
| 21:29.07 | plourde | never used uboot till recently |
| 21:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you said you grok grub |
| 21:29.26 | plourde | this must be painful for you guys, im sorry |
| 21:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 21:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | in fact it teaches us a lesson |
| 21:30.00 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05 loves a chacne to rant about $random bad software design decisions :D |
| 21:30.03 | plourde | ive used grub before, not great with it, not sure how to figure out partitions unless fdisk and dont know where to put what to make this boot lol |
| 21:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 21:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 21:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there's a rather decent uboot wiki and howto on uboot homepage |
| 21:31.03 | merlin1991 | rofl |
| 21:31.13 | plourde | ive opened the bootmenu.scr on mydocs |
| 21:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you for sure can spot the defect entries and just kick them out |
| 21:31.52 | plourde | using notes and its rough to look at lol |
| 21:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, you're working on device? |
| 21:32.20 | plourde | should i drag to a computer? |
| 21:32.28 | plourde | im sorry im just pretty stupid haha |
| 21:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using a ssh login for such stuff |
| 21:33.03 | plourde | ok |
| 21:33.10 | plourde | i feel so stupid right now |
| 21:33.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not bother to edit bootmenu.src on N900, with the small screen and no mouse and all |
| 21:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't feel stupid! you're actually rather smart to ask here and figure what's the problem |
| 21:34.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you tried on your own before you asked here, hackers love to help those who demonstrate an intention to solve problems |
| 21:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | but if you don't feel comfortable with bootmenu.src, just follow the instructions again. Odds are this time they work as written |
| 21:36.46 | plourde | i dont know how to make the entries make sense is the problem, im deleting some of the entries that dont work, after its done do i need to update anything or no |
| 21:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it all just failed because of your hw-rev, not because you didn't understand it |
| 21:36.56 | Gh0sty | don't do it! |
| 21:37.05 | Gh0sty | odds are it might end the world as we know it! :p |
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| 21:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're editing in /bootmenu (like everybody suggests in the forum) then yes, you need to run update-uboot-foo after that |
| 21:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask merlin1991 |
| 21:39.03 | plourde | im editing in mydocs .scr |
| 21:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afk |
| 21:39.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 21:39.15 | plourde | bootmenu.scr |
| 21:39.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, that has immediate effect |
| 21:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot reading this file on every boot |
| 21:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically a script with uboot commands, iirc |
| 21:40.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | much like a shellscript |
| 21:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | in this script there are some "env" set, for loading the kernel, the rootfs etc |
| 21:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya |
| 21:44.25 | plourde | after removing some of the old menu entries, it now just shows the menu like after installing uboot by pali, boot attached, boot emmc ect, no menu entries |
| 21:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a first success story |
| 21:48.45 | plourde | now i need to figure out menu entries, here is where im lost |
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| 23:37.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, he's gone |
| 23:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I won't bother to write up a "how to edit bootmenu.src in MyDocs" |
| 23:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | plourde: if you read chanlog, please pastebin your (original, favourably) bootmenu.src in MyDocs |
| 23:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | or anybody else, for that purpose |
| 23:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's no rocket science, just a tad awkward. No problem to add "menu" entries for other boot options |
| 23:44.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to create an alias 2cmd" for 1, 2, 3, 4... You need to echo that option to screen (or not). And you need to assign the right env vars the right values, when user is selecting "2" |
| 23:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/2c/"c/ |
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| 23:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | really nuttin like rocket science |
| 23:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better: you can test all that stuff interactively, since when uBoot offers you to enter 1 2 3 or 4, it actually does what a shellscript would do. you can test the commands resulting from "2" by doing them directly in console |
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| 23:53.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW if uboot tells you: >>your options are "1" "2" "3"...<< you still can do e.g. a `date` or `ls` |