| 00:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw, on a sidenote: |
| 00:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime |
| 00:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.41 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 00:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I got other N900 for battery charging, I won't probably boot it that often anynore ;-D |
| 00:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so one thing I can confirm: WLAN driver, kernel, and sshd are rock solid ;-) |
| 00:09.43 | GeneralAntilles | I can hardly get through a day without having to reboot the N950 to get back lost modem connectivity. |
| 00:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no modem on t900 |
| 00:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no SIM |
| 00:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather... |
| 00:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | I want a Jolla device. :< |
| 00:10.37 | SpeedEvil | '' |
| 00:10.41 | SpeedEvil | probably |
| 00:10.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | a sim that's not valid anymore, and thus not registering |
| 00:12.52 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, measurements are taken at boot |
| 00:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, *#0000# shows "V 3.2010.02-8" on t900 |
| 00:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: :nod: |
| 00:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | still doesn't explain it completely to me |
| 00:14.17 | Hurrian | If you edit /etc/pmconfig, you can get it to bump up. |
| 00:14.48 | Hurrian | I think for some devices, it ramps up the CPU OPP earlier, and for some devices later, resulting in 250 and 500 MHz BOGOMIPS |
| 00:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but for both systems they run same kernel and same /etc/pmconfig |
| 00:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if one of them booted on battery while the other on charger |
| 00:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | MEH, CSSU-TH comes with PK, no? |
| 00:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | KP |
| 00:22.52 | Hurrian | A rebranded KP (the one on the newest -thumb comes with 51r1) |
| 00:23.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, after testing the thumb device with booting from battery, this boils down to "on KP: BogoMIPS : 249.96. On stock kernel: BogoMIPS : 499.92" |
| 00:24.06 | SpeedEvil | weird |
| 00:24.34 | SpeedEvil | does (say) md5sum /dev/zero go the same speed |
| 00:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 00:25.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would I test speed of md5sum /dev/zero ;-) |
| 00:25.56 | SpeedEvil | dd if=/sev/zero bs=1024 count=102400 |
| 00:25.59 | SpeedEvil | OE something |
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| 00:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# time md5sum /dev/mtd4ro |
| 00:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | b23b5d09162b92c0284923a7f628d2a5 /dev/mtd4ro |
| 00:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | real 0m0.154s |
| 00:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# time md5sum /dev/mtd4ro |
| 00:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | b23b5d09162b92c0284923a7f628d2a5 /dev/mtd4ro |
| 00:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | real 0m 0.22s |
| 00:29.03 | SpeedEvil | add another couple of zeros, I guess |
| 00:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | grr, scratch that |
| 00:29.30 | SpeedEvil | it's probably not significant those |
| 00:29.56 | SpeedEvil | then |
| 00:30.23 | SpeedEvil | did it have thumb patches? |
| 00:31.52 | Skry | real 0m0.317 |
| 00:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | busybox version seems to differ |
| 00:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: you need to call this at least 4..5 times |
| 00:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | first time is moot |
| 00:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | format of my md5sum output differs between the two devices |
| 00:33.25 | Hurrian | Isn't MTD4 full of zeros? |
| 00:33.34 | Hurrian | (and roughly 2MB) |
| 00:33.58 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# time busybox md5sum /dev/mtd4ro |
| 00:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | b23b5d09162b92c0284923a7f628d2a5 /dev/mtd4ro |
| 00:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | (empty line) |
| 00:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | real 0m0.173s (.174 .170 .173) |
| 00:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# time busybox md5sum /dev/mtd4ro |
| 00:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | b23b5d09162b92c0284923a7f628d2a5 /dev/mtd4ro |
| 00:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | real 0m 0.24s (.20 .24 .23 .23 .19) |
| 00:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) vs BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0) |
| 00:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the one busybox (0cssu0, CSSU-T) is faster, has an empty line, and has 3 decimals |
| 00:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the other is significantly slower, has no empty line and only 2 decimals |
| 00:39.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 00:40.15 | GGon | DocScrutinizer05: ever think of making a completely new distro for the n900? |
| 00:40.16 | GGon | heh |
| 00:40.37 | GGon | using the kde based stuff? or is the n900 too slow to handle it |
| 00:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think kde has many apps that I'd like to use on N900 |
| 00:42.00 | Skry | GGon: its slow but usable after some tweaking |
| 00:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, under KDE I'd miss a lot of apps which aren't available there |
| 00:42.43 | GGon | like what? |
| 00:42.54 | GGon | telepathy? :) |
| 00:42.56 | SpeedEvil | dialer, ... |
| 00:43.02 | GGon | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 00:43.12 | GGon | still no easy way to access the modem for voice ? |
| 00:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 00:43.25 | GGon | wow |
| 00:43.50 | GGon | i figured that would have been figured out by now |
| 00:44.14 | GGon | then again i haven't used my n900 for voice comm in forever since the modem is broken anyways heh |
| 00:44.25 | GGon | i've been using it like a glorified nit |
| 00:44.53 | Hurrian | GGon, you just need to setup ofono. |
| 00:45.05 | GGon | Hurrian: i thought they were still having problems with ofono |
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| 00:45.18 | GGon | with regards to the sound or something |
| 00:45.25 | Hurrian | It works for voice calls and texts and data, if you're using the 2.6.37-N900 Adaptation kernel. |
| 00:45.46 | Hurrian | There's no dialer app, so if you're going to really use it for that purpose then don't bother. |
| 00:45.59 | GGon | is a dialer app that difficult to make in QT? |
| 00:46.05 | Hurrian | You may want to try building the Nemo dialer though. It's in Qt. |
| 00:46.41 | GGon | just thought it would be interesting to see something running activ |
| 00:46.51 | GGon | that's what the kde touchy ui is called isn't it? |
| 00:47.19 | GGon | i haven't seen a real tablet or phone use it tho... so it must not exist :) |
| 00:47.45 | GGon | jk. i know people got it to half ass run on a transformer but i know i couldn't figure out how to get it on mine. or there wasn't an easy image to just flash to it in order to get it working |
| 00:47.58 | Hurrian | Plasma Active? |
| 00:48.03 | Hurrian | It runs on the N900. |
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| 01:06.22 | alex______ | i have o problem with u-boot |
| 01:06.44 | alex______ | restart looping |
| 01:06.58 | alex______ | no usb cable at hand |
| 01:07.01 | alex______ | help |
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| 01:38.06 | ketas | foo... i got n9 |
| 01:43.49 | ketas | fuck |
| 01:43.53 | ketas | really |
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| 01:47.07 | entitled | that was weird |
| 01:48.08 | entitled | n900 was fully charged, I turned it off and then I get this weird bzzzzz sound and it blinked purple. |
| 01:48.31 | entitled | was connected to the charger at that moment |
| 01:48.42 | entitled | seems to be ok tho |
| 01:48.54 | ketas | curses at the security features |
| 01:48.57 | SpeedEvil | flickered purple? |
| 01:49.11 | SpeedEvil | ketas++ |
| 01:50.03 | ketas | i got used n9 and accidentally runned track and protect... now WHAT |
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| 01:50.39 | SpeedEvil | no idea what that is. |
| 01:50.48 | SpeedEvil | I think t calls the ninjas. |
| 01:51.09 | ketas | maybe should use #meego ? |
| 01:51.39 | SpeedEvil | #harmattam |
| 01:51.41 | SpeedEvil | n |
| 01:52.01 | SpeedEvil | is more on topic for n9 |
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| 02:52.59 | iluminator105 | is there an auto installer for thumb |
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| 03:18.31 | marainein | hey, this may be more a linux/ubuntu question than a maemo one, but when i disconnect my n900's usb connection then plug it back in, it doesn't get detected again by the computer, i have to reboot it for the computer to detect the phone...is there some way to fix that? |
| 03:19.34 | robbiethe1st | marainein, pull up a terminal on Ubuntu |
| 03:19.51 | robbiethe1st | run 'dmesg | tail' |
| 03:19.59 | robbiethe1st | then unplug/replug, do it again |
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| 03:22.24 | marainein | robbiethe1st, i'm actually not seeing anything new in dmesg after i do that |
| 03:22.34 | marainein | nor is it showing up on lsusb |
| 03:22.45 | robbiethe1st | That's interesting |
| 03:23.02 | robbiethe1st | I wonder... check the same on the N900 |
| 03:30.26 | marainein | it's giving me 'tw14030_usb tw14030_udb: HW_CONDITIONS 0xd0/208; link 2' |
| 03:30.40 | marainein | and the line before it, similar except for link 1 |
| 03:32.06 | robbiethe1st | hm |
| 03:32.15 | robbiethe1st | I think that's good... |
| 03:32.36 | robbiethe1st | I'd try updating Ubuntu/loading a different kernel |
| 03:33.15 | marainein | yeah, i suspect it's a linux usb bug |
| 03:34.39 | robbiethe1st | version-specific bug evidently; never had the issue with Debian |
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| 07:02.34 | _PanzerSajt | Pali, Hy! Is there any stable and safe u-boot? |
| 07:03.02 | _PanzerSajt | I have reflash my N900 and I don't want to ruin it with not working u-boot |
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| 07:07.51 | robbiethe1st | You can always reflash no matter how badly anything screws it up |
| 07:07.59 | robbiethe1st | u0boot fails? reflash |
| 07:08.16 | robbiethe1st | It's got the flashing stub in the bootloader in a different rom chip |
| 07:09.14 | kerio | yeah, you can't really brick the n900, apart for hosing CAL |
| 07:09.21 | kerio | robbiethe1st: hi |
| 07:09.27 | robbiethe1st | And even then... |
| 07:09.51 | kerio | robbiethe1st: BM should really ignore the installed /etc/passwd |
| 07:10.08 | robbiethe1st | Why? |
| 07:10.20 | kerio | because my login shell is bash |
| 07:10.33 | kerio | and there's no bash in the BM root |
| 07:11.02 | robbiethe1st | I think my next version or patch which I've nit released just adds a symlink to /bin/sh... |
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| 07:11.19 | robbiethe1st | But I can't really do that either, see how I'm entering terminal mode? |
| 07:11.26 | robbiethe1st | Basically just letting the system do it |
| 07:11.49 | kerio | robbiethe1st: doesn't work |
| 07:11.58 | kerio | busybox won't do shit if ran as "bash" |
| 07:12.06 | kerio | bash: applet not found |
| 07:12.26 | robbiethe1st | symlink /bin/bash to /bin/ash which is symlinked to /bin/busybox? |
| 07:12.50 | kerio | yeah, the "inner" symlink doesn't exist |
| 07:12.56 | robbiethe1st | darn |
| 07:12.59 | kerio | according to busybox |
| 07:13.09 | kerio | you could use a shell script, i guess |
| 07:13.24 | robbiethe1st | hm, yeah |
| 07:13.39 | kerio | or ship an /etc/passwd >:( |
| 07:13.43 | _PanzerSajt | kerio, yes I know that we can't brick n900 but I don't want to reflash again and install all the softwares. |
| 07:13.50 | robbiethe1st | I just thought, however, that what I could do is check for the existance of that password-enable file |
| 07:13.58 | robbiethe1st | the one I use for BM password lock |
| 07:14.18 | robbiethe1st | if it exists, load the root's /etc/passwd, otherwise use a stock one with a default password |
| 07:14.22 | kerio | _PanzerSajt: that's where BM comes into play |
| 07:14.39 | _PanzerSajt | can you explain it to me? |
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| 07:15.41 | kerio | robbiethe1st: or just require a hashed password in it |
| 07:15.59 | robbiethe1st | uh...? |
| 07:16.59 | kerio | robbiethe1st: if you have a password there, you don't need the password from /etc/passwd |
| 07:17.16 | robbiethe1st | But I'm using the official login app or w/e |
| 07:17.31 | robbiethe1st | so I think it has to exist at /etc/passwd |
| 07:17.40 | kerio | hm |
| 07:18.10 | kerio | still, i have to use bootmenu's usb networking to ssh because i can't login in BM :( |
| 07:18.28 | kerio | DO YOU KNOW HOW TOUGH MY LIFE IS |
| 07:19.00 | kerio | _PanzerSajt: full-ish on-device backups |
| 07:19.21 | _PanzerSajt | Hmm that's nice |
| 07:19.32 | _PanzerSajt | how can I perform a full backup and restore? |
| 07:19.34 | kerio | i should probably backup CAL |
| 07:19.34 | robbiethe1st | Change your damn login shell to /bin/sh then? |
| 07:19.42 | kerio | robbiethe1st: no u |
| 07:19.44 | robbiethe1st | and just use bash when you need it |
| 07:19.56 | robbiethe1st | ...Or edit bm's loader to add bash |
| 07:19.59 | kerio | _PanzerSajt: install BM, reboot in BM, follow semigraphical UI |
| 07:20.20 | robbiethe1st | Semigraphical is a good way to put it |
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| 07:23.07 | kerio | robbiethe1st: how do i backup CAL? |
| 07:23.19 | robbiethe1st | I have absolutely no clue |
| 07:23.38 | robbiethe1st | I've never done it, or messed with it |
| 07:26.19 | kerio | ok, nanddumped it :) |
| 07:26.43 | kerio | robbiethe1st: add it in "extra functions" |
| 07:27.18 | robbiethe1st | paste the commands into the BM topic |
| 07:28.51 | robbiethe1st | and I'll read it tomorrow, or try to anyway |
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| 07:29.56 | jacekowski | kerio: well, recent events have confirmed that cal is not very important |
| 07:31.21 | Hurrian | jacekowski, someone tried wiping their cal? |
| 07:31.25 | jacekowski | yes |
| 07:31.32 | Hurrian | Interesting. |
| 07:31.33 | jacekowski | someone did wipe all of nand |
| 07:31.36 | Hurrian | Did it just rebuild? |
| 07:31.38 | jacekowski | no |
| 07:31.50 | jacekowski | but everything works without it |
| 07:31.57 | Hurrian | Even phone functions? |
| 07:31.59 | jacekowski | yes |
| 07:32.05 | Hurrian | Interesting. |
| 07:32.17 | jacekowski | rapuyama is doing phone |
| 07:32.27 | jacekowski | and there is separate cal in there |
| 07:32.31 | jacekowski | that can't be touched |
| 07:33.01 | jacekowski | cal in main onenand can be wiped |
| 07:33.10 | jacekowski | and data there is not very important |
| 07:33.18 | jacekowski | fmtxd has region settings stored there |
| 07:33.23 | jacekowski | and bt mac |
| 07:34.08 | jacekowski | i'm not sure what would happen on fully wiped nand |
| 07:34.12 | jacekowski | as in, partition table gone as well |
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| 07:36.21 | Hurrian | well, you need to use the UBI tool to create them in the first place. |
| 07:36.56 | Hurrian | how you're going to access that is the question - Linux exposes /dev/mtdN, where N is a partition. |
| 07:37.07 | Hurrian | ubinize and burn? |
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| 07:45.53 | Timo | Hi there |
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| 07:49.29 | Timo | I've installed Pali's Uboot (with menu) and the Kernel Power for multiboot. I ran the u-boot-update-bootmenu too of course. When I rebooted and chose the kernel power (same happens with the stock kernel), Uboot hangs on 'Starting Kernel'. How do I fix that? (I've got a working phone atm because of a reflash of the stock kernel (flash-only=kernel) :) |
| 07:50.06 | kerio | jacekowski: the partition table is written on the nand? :o |
| 07:50.16 | kerio | i thought it was just a parameter passed to the kernel by NOLO |
| 07:51.04 | kerio | jacekowski: also, you lose info regarding your hw rev and BT doesn't work properly |
| 07:55.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you reckon nanddump/nandwrite can be used to backup/restore CAL? |
| 07:56.03 | kerio | also, why does on-device kernel flashing use flasher instead of nandwrite? |
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| 08:11.22 | ShadowJK_ | was nandwrite the one that doesn't deal that well wih badblocks? |
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| 08:14.59 | kerio | i thought it did |
| 08:15.20 | kerio | dd on mtdblk is the one that doesn't deal with badblocks |
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| 08:22.37 | kerio | do we know how CAL works? |
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| 09:21.07 | kerio | does anyone have a bit of experience with pppd? |
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| 09:24.45 | Shapeshifter | Hi. So this morning my alarm didn't ring and I found my n900 in some sort of frozen state. The led is blinking as if I received an IM message and if I slide or double-tap power, the screen turns on but it remains black. I had this once before, and I'm sure replacing the battery fixes it. But I would like to know what is going on. So I'm able to ssh onto it, luckily, and I see that a process called sgx_misr is using up all CPU. |
| 09:25.11 | Shapeshifter | Well and I guess I found the unfixed bug report from 2010... just great. |
| 09:25.19 | Shapeshifter | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150 |
| 09:25.21 | povbot | 04Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU |
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| 09:32.10 | Shapeshifter | PowerVR is such shit. |
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| 09:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I suggested that several times |
| 09:40.50 | kerio | suggested what? |
| 09:40.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | nanddump/write |
| 09:41.20 | kerio | i see |
| 09:41.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you even find a nanddump'ed image of my CAL on my server |
| 09:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget you'll probably also need nanderase, since iirc nandwrite can't clean blocks |
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| 09:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but better you read the manpages etc before you start experiments |
| 09:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's also mtd_debug iirc, maybe also worth giving it a look |
| 09:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Mtdutils |
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| 09:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11279473/how-to-correctly-nandwrite-a-nanddumped-dump-with-oob |
| 09:50.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: we don't need oob, do we |
| 09:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/general.html |
| 09:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | oob is out of band data iircd, it marks bad blocks or whatever |
| 09:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Often people consider mtdblock as general FTL layer and try to use block-based file systems on top of bare flashes using mtdblock. This is wrong in most cases. In other words, please, do not use mtdblock unless you know exactly what you are doing.<< |
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| 09:55.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: backupmenu 1? :D |
| 09:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yoh |
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| 10:00.57 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: I wonder if that isn't sometimes a hardware issue. |
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| 10:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: is alarmed using the tags of alarmd events? |
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| 10:27.38 | Pali | I found another bug in maemo package interface |
| 10:27.46 | Pali | See this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/wargus/2.2.7-1maemo1~fremantle/ |
| 10:27.59 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05 ^^^ |
| 10:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 10:28.40 | Pali | I can vote 4 times for one package :D |
| 10:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody already mentioned that ;-P |
| 10:29.08 | kerio | but that would be cheeeeeeeeeating |
| 10:29.12 | Pali | but now I know how to do it :) |
| 10:29.29 | Pali | just open 4 tabs in browser with that vote page |
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| 10:29.47 | Pali | then prepare ... |
| 10:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are cheated packages get kicked out of extras repo and you have to start all over again ;-D |
| 10:30.07 | Pali | and then very quickly click on button :D |
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| 10:30.41 | Pali | and make race condition |
| 10:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, they forgot to include mutex to avoid race condition |
| 10:31.11 | Pali | funny bug :D |
| 10:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | excusable bug |
| 10:31.37 | Pali | who is author of that maemo system? |
| 10:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | web developers usually have no clue about race conditions and re-entrant coding |
| 10:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | adding comments has same prblem, only there it's enough to click the submit button again after 10s of waiting for anything to happen |
| 10:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost all of my comments are double |
| 10:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | some triple |
| 10:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 10:33.36 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, now you know reason :-) |
| 10:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I always knew the reason |
| 10:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder about shortest fix for all that |
| 10:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably something along system("uniq ...") |
| 10:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or alternatively (if that's any kind of rdb) define some cols as nodupkey |
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| 10:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc who's maintainer for that web frontend |
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| 10:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | in 3 months, it should be clear whom to ask though |
| 10:38.10 | Hurrian | Lesson learned: don't resize MyDocs partition when using u-boot. |
| 10:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm not any sad it's not me now, whom you'll ask about all that |
| 10:38.28 | Pali | btw what is state of maemo.org? |
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| 10:38.37 | Pali | nokia will turn off servers? |
| 10:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* likely |
| 10:38.51 | Hurrian | Pali, the funding ends on the 31st. |
| 10:39.07 | Hurrian | so yeah, unless HF moves the site, it gets cut. |
| 10:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | gossip is they will stop paying services with new year |
| 10:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | all that is worst case |
| 10:39.40 | Hurrian | Gossip? Didn't it go more like "all funding will cease on the 31st" |
| 10:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | though Nokia's worst cases usually are worse than worst case scenarios |
| 10:40.25 | Pali | is somebody going to backup maemo.org? |
| 10:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: nah, it's "Nokia already paid for servers and maintenance til end of 2012" |
| 10:41.17 | Hurrian | Pali, it's a ~10GB backup at the very least. |
| 10:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: and there's still no definitive statement they will cease to do that in 2013-01-01 |
| 10:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's very likely they will |
| 10:41.58 | Hurrian | doesn't seem likely they will - they already fired all the Linux people. |
| 10:42.25 | Hurrian | unless as said in that thread, Nokia will do a transition period |
| 10:42.25 | Pali | is nokia going to delete also maemo.gitorious.org ? |
| 10:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's very likely they will cease to pay |
| 10:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 10:42.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ |
| 10:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: maemo.org 10GB? haha! |
| 10:43.39 | Hurrian | 10GB for the forum |
| 10:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org incl subdomains is more likely to be something like 10TB |
| 10:44.20 | Hurrian | and, if we only keep newest copy of packages, another 10GB |
| 10:44.30 | Hurrian | plus the Nemo/Mer hosting stuff |
| 10:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, tmo. Well that's a completely segregate topic, really |
| 10:44.55 | Hurrian | and other obscure things hosted on M.O |
| 10:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmo is still actually a subdomain of itt |
| 10:46.03 | Sicelo | [ /me has just now been reminded how badly IMAP-IDLE support is needed in modest :( ] |
| 10:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | technically |
| 10:46.10 | Hurrian | nah, the A record's pointed to whatever ITT points to. |
| 10:46.13 | Pali | and https://projects.maemo.org/ ? :D |
| 10:46.23 | Hurrian | Pali, don't forget garage |
| 10:46.38 | Pali | talk.maemo.org. 41377 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. |
| 10:46.42 | Pali | forums.internettablettalk.com. 13684 IN A 74.86.202.247 |
| 10:46.49 | Pali | funny :-) |
| 10:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/ more funny |
| 10:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | maximum funny http://maemotalk.com/ |
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| 10:53.54 | kerio | Hurrian: merlin1991 already has a mirror of the latest versions of packages in extras-devel |
| 10:56.02 | Hurrian | kerio, that's nice to know |
| 10:56.16 | kerio | which is seriously good for apt |
| 10:56.57 | kerio | fun fact: as of now, nokia can't ship an OTA update |
| 10:57.04 | kerio | not even if they wanted to |
| 10:58.06 | Hurrian | kerio, they broke their SSL cert? |
| 10:58.15 | kerio | Hurrian: the gpg key for the packages |
| 10:58.28 | Hurrian | it's expired/revoked? |
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| 10:58.52 | kerio | it's expired, and HAM requires a working signing key to identify packages coming from a trusted source |
| 10:59.16 | Hurrian | whelp. |
| 10:59.40 | Hurrian | Doubt it bothers Nokia though, support has probably already long dropped off the radar. |
| 11:00.26 | freemangordon | jacekowski: ping |
| 11:00.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: are you awake? |
| 11:00.49 | SpeedEvil | kerio: oops |
| 11:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: kinda |
| 11:01.10 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/1QtcHkS7 |
| 11:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | 30% |
| 11:01.27 | freemangordon | should be enough for 6 instructions :D |
| 11:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already followed chat between you and jacekowski yesterday. And I have to say that's actually stuff way beyond my expertise |
| 11:02.56 | freemangordon | aah, ok :) |
| 11:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | just a general comment on mutex etc: you need to check those very carefully, since you can't really test in RL, the purpose of mutexes is to avoid race conditions that are extremely hard to prove as being dealt with in a reliable manner |
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| 11:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW you can't prove there's no open window for a race left |
| 11:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | except on analytic src review level |
| 11:06.40 | Pali | freemangordon, hi, when you have time, try look at uboot. I cannot do it, because on my n900 is uboot working... |
| 11:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | any bug that slipped your attention will show up at $random time later |
| 11:07.06 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am aware of that, that is why i wan't someone else to review the code. |
| 11:07.10 | freemangordon | Pali: I will |
| 11:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, very reasonable idea |
| 11:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: another rather noobish comment: I usually see irqs=lock_irq() and restore_irq(irqs) bracketing any mutex code, so you kinda make it atomic |
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| 11:10.48 | freemangordon | yeah, ldrex/strex are kinda atomic operations |
| 11:11.12 | freemangordon | they put a memory observer to the address in question |
| 11:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, so you say the rest of code is reentrant? |
| 11:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least thread-safe |
| 11:11.52 | freemangordon | reenterant? NFC, I didn't write it :) |
| 11:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | consider something else messing with virtually anything it likes, at any arbitrary point during execution of your code. Will it cause trouble? |
| 11:12.49 | freemangordon | but it should be thread safe, after all this is DB |
| 11:13.12 | freemangordon | no |
| 11:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah I see you're userland process, you can't do any lock_irq() |
| 11:14.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dht0008a/CJHIGEFG.html |
| 11:14.35 | freemangordon | WTF |
| 11:14.44 | freemangordon | wrong link, but don;t ask me why |
| 11:15.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: google for ldrex/strex |
| 11:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 11:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0344k/ch08s05s03.html?resultof=%22%6c%64%72%65%78%22%20 |
| 11:19.12 | freemangordon | yeah, those are the instructions |
| 11:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not only instructions but also a general concept how to use them |
| 11:20.02 | kerio | oh ARM <3 |
| 11:20.06 | freemangordon | yeah,but difference with my code is that I am not trying to aquire the lock, but to set a value |
| 11:20.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 11:20.36 | freemangordon | MUTEX_SET is called from the outside for() loop who checks the result |
| 11:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui MUTEX_SET is actually acquiring a lock |
| 11:21.52 | freemangordon | yes, but the check if the lock is aquired is not in MUTEX_SET |
| 11:22.31 | freemangordon | the example on ARM site does that too, i.e it does a spinlock |
| 11:22.35 | freemangordon | not a mutex |
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| 11:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the BNE try |
| 11:23.48 | freemangordon | the same do gcc sync intrinstics |
| 11:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | just change that to a return |
| 11:24.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: not so simple, as I have to return correct result to the upper for() loop |
| 11:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your upper layer code gets result OK/FAIL from call to MUTEX_SET |
| 11:25.43 | freemangordon | i.e. AIUI I have to return 1 from MUTEX_LOCK only if previous tsl value was 0 (i.e. mutex succesfully acquired) and strex ioperation succeeded (we were able to store 1 to tsl) |
| 11:25.48 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes |
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| 11:41.21 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 11:41.37 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
| 11:41.48 | freemangordon | Pali: which .deb to use? |
| 11:41.57 | freemangordon | or to build mine? |
| 11:41.57 | Pali | what debs? |
| 11:42.01 | Pali | of uboot? |
| 11:42.02 | freemangordon | for u-boot |
| 11:42.12 | Pali | clone git tree |
| 11:42.16 | Pali | branch pali |
| 11:42.21 | freemangordon | yes, that is what I am doing |
| 11:42.29 | freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 11:43.27 | freemangordon | Pali: does it fail on all 2204s? |
| 11:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 11:44.23 | teotwaki | gvim src/common/clients/modulemanager.cpp |
| 11:44.35 | freemangordon | Pali: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-bootimg :( |
| 11:44.39 | teotwaki | wrong window |
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| 11:44.57 | freemangordon | I am with -kernel-cssu3 on the device, i.e.thumb thingie |
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| 11:45.46 | freemangordon | installed kernel-cssu-bootimg, didn't help |
| 11:45.52 | Pali | freemangordon, download some zImage (not fiasco) and put it in root dir |
| 11:45.59 | Pali | then edit debian/rules |
| 11:46.06 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:46.08 | Pali | and find /boot/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 |
| 11:46.18 | Pali | change it to your path of zImage |
| 11:46.28 | Pali | this image will be attached to uboot |
| 11:46.32 | Pali | and then ignore build dependency |
| 11:46.33 | freemangordon | ok, got it |
| 11:50.16 | freemangordon | Pali: only uboot-flasher, ain't? |
| 11:50.51 | Pali | u-boot-tools + u-boot-flasher |
| 11:51.04 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:51.07 | Pali | flasher has fiasco image (combined uboot+zImage) |
| 11:51.30 | Pali | -tools has shell script + mkimage for generating bootmenu |
| 11:55.15 | freemangordon | Pali: onenand read 0 0 4096 gives total chip size (0x0) exceeded :D |
| 11:55.32 | freemangordon | normal? |
| 11:55.37 | Pali | I do not know |
| 11:55.45 | Pali | I did not tested onenand uboot command yet |
| 11:55.57 | Pali | I only saw support, so I enabled it in -15 |
| 11:56.19 | freemangordon | how to disable it? |
| 11:56.24 | Pali | there is also ubifs support, but due big size, I disabled it |
| 11:56.37 | freemangordon | in config file? |
| 11:57.05 | Pali | comment all *ONENAND* in include/configs/nokia_rx51.h |
| 11:58.41 | freemangordon | what about mdtparts? |
| 11:59.23 | Pali | you can comment them too |
| 11:59.45 | Pali | but you need to add "#define MTDPARTS_DEFAULT" |
| 12:00.11 | Pali | because there is env variable "mtdparts=" MTDPARTS_DEFAULT |
| 12:00.12 | freemangordon | but it is there |
| 12:00.22 | freemangordon | #define MTDPARTS_DEFAULT"mtdparts=onenand:" \ |
| 12:00.41 | Pali | replace it with "#define MTDPARTS_DEFAULT" |
| 12:00.43 | freemangordon | why do I need that? |
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| 12:01.02 | freemangordon | you mean an empty define? |
| 12:01.02 | Pali | for disabling mtd code |
| 12:01.06 | Pali | yes |
| 12:01.09 | Pali | empty define |
| 12:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ChanServ: ? |
| 12:05.07 | freemangordon | Pali: h,, how to flash fiasko image? |
| 12:05.21 | Pali | via usb or on device? |
| 12:05.27 | freemangordon | usb |
| 12:05.36 | freemangordon | -F instead of -k? |
| 12:05.47 | Pali | via usb -F |
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| 12:05.59 | Pali | on device use: fiasco-image-update <fiasco_image> |
| 12:06.48 | freemangordon | Pali: it boots, with mtd and onenand disabled |
| 12:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | on 2204? |
| 12:07.17 | Pali | can you enabled onenand & mtd and test again |
| 12:07.18 | freemangordon | yep |
| 12:07.31 | freemangordon | Pali: i tested before, what is the idea? |
| 12:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | messing with MTDPARTS will fsckup quite some bits, as it's the partitioning the BL is passing to kernel as well, AIUI |
| 12:08.23 | Pali | so with enabled onenand not working and with disabled working? |
| 12:08.29 | freemangordon | yes |
| 12:08.35 | freemangordon | onenand and mtdparts |
| 12:08.39 | freemangordon | disabled |
| 12:08.41 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, mtdparts in uboot are only for uboot |
| 12:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so: messed up MTDPARTS -> no mounting of any mtd-based fs |
| 12:08.57 | Pali | partition table for kernel is in omap table |
| 12:08.59 | freemangordon | problem is with onenand, not with mtd AIUI |
| 12:08.59 | Pali | atag |
| 12:09.07 | Pali | freemangordon, ok |
| 12:09.12 | Pali | ping merlin1991 |
| 12:09.20 | freemangordon | as it is onenand to give device size 0 |
| 12:09.30 | freemangordon | is afk for a while |
| 12:09.40 | Pali | freemangordon, can you sent your compiled uboot to merlin1991 for testing? |
| 12:10.16 | freemangordon | sure. fiasko image? |
| 12:10.39 | Pali | fiasco is enought |
| 12:10.45 | freemangordon | aah, no, it is for cssu3 kernel, will it be ok/ |
| 12:10.48 | freemangordon | ? |
| 12:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's been that guy who asked yesterday about working uBoot for 2204? |
| 12:11.17 | freemangordon | panzerSomething iirc |
| 12:11.26 | Pali | _PanzerSajt |
| 12:11.28 | Pali | Sicelo |
| 12:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mimamoomomo |
| 12:11.41 | Pali | and other people from TMO too |
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| 12:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | fails to recall right searchterm for grep in backlog, said sth like "check your hw-rev against list of those known to work" |
| 12:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | marainein: ^^^^ |
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| 12:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, -o +r +n |
| 12:15.11 | marainein | DocScrutinizer05, what? |
| 12:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we're from mimamoomomo to marainein |
| 12:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | marainein: seems freemangordon created a uBoot working on 2204 |
| 12:15.52 | marainein | ahh excellent |
| 12:15.57 | marainein | this is a new version? |
| 12:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | would you like to help testing? |
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| 12:17.46 | marainein | yeah, but i gotta go to sleep |
| 12:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 12:18.33 | freemangordon | Pali: #define PISMO1_NAND_SIZEGPMC_SIZE_128M |
| 12:18.37 | freemangordon | why is that? |
| 12:19.11 | fasta | "However, the package may create empty directories below /usr/local so that the system administrator knows where to place site-specific files. These are not directories in /usr/local, but are children of directories in /usr/local. These directories (/usr/local/*/dir/) should be removed on package removal if they are empty." |
| 12:19.25 | fasta | Debian people and their specifications... |
| 12:19.35 | Pali | freemangordon, I do not know this comes from original ali's uboot port |
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| 12:19.46 | fasta | It's written more like a riddle, then an actual specification. |
| 12:19.51 | fasta | than* |
| 12:20.09 | Pali | there is more code which was not changed... |
| 12:20.53 | fasta | Too bad it doesn't say where the first /usr/local/foodir comes from. |
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| 12:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 12:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~debian fasta |
| 12:21.32 | infobot | ACTION tells fasta to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 12:21.51 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: in all your wisdom, what do you run? |
| 12:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | openSuse |
| 12:22.20 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: is there because you are German? |
| 12:22.24 | fasta | that* |
| 12:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I don't give much about what distro I use, since I have to tweak them anyway |
| 12:22.36 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: or is there some good technical reason behind your choice? |
| 12:22.38 | freemangordon | Pali: looks like too much code is missing to enable onenand |
| 12:23.19 | Pali | freemangordon, first we need if disabling onenand fixed booting... |
| 12:23.32 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: how do you manage your tweaks? |
| 12:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: originally (like: in 1995+-) it was because suse been local for me. Now it's because openSuse is closely linked to SLES/SLED |
| 12:23.39 | Pali | I think that in -12 was still onenand code disabled |
| 12:24.13 | freemangordon | http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/u-boot/ |
| 12:24.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (manage tweaks) with lots of pain felt in the arse |
| 12:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 12:24.38 | freemangordon | Pali: but attached kernel is kernel-cssu3 |
| 12:24.50 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: I mean: let's say you have to reinstall a new work station, how will you do that? |
| 12:24.56 | Pali | freemangordon, ok |
| 12:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | U usually avoid to do that |
| 12:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I* |
| 12:25.12 | freemangordon | Pali: so we need merlin1991 |
| 12:25.16 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: so, you dd everything? |
| 12:25.29 | Pali | yes, somebody who has non working uboot |
| 12:25.31 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: e.g. harddisk upgrades, etc. |
| 12:25.33 | freemangordon | yay, ubuntu still boots |
| 12:25.56 | Pali | ping Sicelo |
| 12:26.15 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: I wrote some scripts to write to /etc files, select the right alternative for various things, etc., according to my needs. |
| 12:26.39 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: so, when I run that script, I have morphed a completely useless machine into something that does something useful. |
| 12:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | IF I have to, it's: install openSuse_x, go thru all the packages manually in installer, opt-out/in a lot. then have two weeks minimum of days filled with tweaking all sorts of stuff, like global kbd shortcuts, themes, mail, $arbitrary-systems |
| 12:27.02 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I used to do that. |
| 12:27.10 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: now every change I make is made programmatically. |
| 12:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | on suse, there's autoyast, you'll like that if you get the catch of it |
| 12:27.26 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: I still don't have a solution to manage Firefox extensions, though. |
| 12:27.45 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: firefox had an API to install extensions. |
| 12:27.53 | fasta | But they threw it out. |
| 12:28.05 | fasta | So much for 'unleash the power of the web'. |
| 12:28.47 | fasta | Thunderbird also is completely obnoxious because of their contracting with Microsoft. |
| 12:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://users.suse.com/~ug/AutoYaST_FAQ.html |
| 12:29.11 | fasta | Everytime you upgrade, they set some things by default. |
| 12:29.34 | fasta | Anyway, nothing which a little scripting cannot defeat, but imagine doing that by hand every single time. |
| 12:29.44 | fasta | Otherwise thunderbird is great. |
| 12:29.53 | fasta | Not a single crash in over a year or so. |
| 12:30.26 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: autoyast sounds nice |
| 12:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a friend of mine has to maintain literally 10,000s of clients, and he's all full of joy about autoyast |
| 12:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | (he's been a notorious yast-hater in former times ;-d) |
| 12:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D* |
| 12:32.36 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: but autoyast seems to be only for installation, not maintenance. |
| 12:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | now he defends suse against almost everything else |
| 12:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, autoyast is a mere installation+deployment tool |
| 12:33.42 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: Via NixOS you can do similar things, but do maintenance too. |
| 12:33.45 | kerio | pff |
| 12:33.53 | kerio | just debootstrap the clients |
| 12:33.55 | kerio | >:D |
| 12:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | for general local admin there's yast at large |
| 12:34.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | for admin of 1000s of clients, there are shell tools |
| 12:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 12:34.40 | fasta | It would be interesting to see how long it would take to install 2000 packages with the various tools. |
| 12:34.54 | fasta | I think Nix would come in first, assuming the packages existed! |
| 12:35.03 | fasta | Apt would come in second. |
| 12:35.11 | fasta | And Fedora last. |
| 12:35.22 | fasta | Suse uses the same tools as Fedora, right? |
| 12:35.39 | fasta | I mean 'rpm'. |
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| 12:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yast now does extremely smart stuff during install time: it simply copies a "disk image" that's closest to what you "ordered", then only adds / removes the delta of pkgs |
| 12:36.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, suse is an RPM system |
| 12:37.07 | fasta | How is it then different from e.g. Fedora? |
| 12:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | though you actually tend to forget about which pkg paradigm it's using, when you use yast and zypper |
| 12:37.48 | fasta | Are you saying it also understands debs? |
| 12:37.50 | trx | X-Fade ping |
| 12:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: how am I supposed to answer that question? |
| 12:38.06 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: the Fedora question? |
| 12:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: I think it does |
| 12:38.13 | freemangordon | Pali: Any clue why both PISMO1_NAND_SIZE and PISMO1_ONEN_SIZE are defined? |
| 12:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:38.33 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: oh, well, I don't know. Perhaps Google knows. |
| 12:38.47 | fasta | The only unstable part on my system is my damn graphics card. |
| 12:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could pipe result of a diff here? |
| 12:38.56 | Pali | freemangordon, I think that both defines are needed for onenand code... |
| 12:39.03 | Pali | but I did not played with onenand yet |
| 12:39.06 | Pali | so I do not know |
| 12:39.19 | freemangordon | hmm, but why 128M? |
| 12:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | erase page? |
| 12:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | bank size? |
| 12:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes for a nice two banks, for 256M |
| 12:40.07 | freemangordon | that should be total size |
| 12:40.12 | freemangordon | AIUI |
| 12:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | then maybe it's words? |
| 12:40.23 | freemangordon | as there is no bank_size or something |
| 12:40.34 | freemangordon | hmm, could be, lemme check in syslog |
| 12:42.30 | Pali | ask on #u-boot |
| 12:43.19 | freemangordon | OneNAND Manufacturer: Numonyx (0x20) |
| 12:43.22 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 12:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 12:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: hah, nice catch with #u-boot |
| 12:44.37 | freemangordon | 2101: OneNAND Manufacturer: Samsung (0xec) |
| 12:44.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair with 1000s of clients you probably want to do *one* installation and then clone it |
| 12:44.48 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ |
| 12:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: or use autoyast to do that for you |
| 12:45.13 | Pali | nice catch! |
| 12:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: of course |
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| 12:45.41 | Hurrian | Pali, I've been wanting to ask for a while - the FAT32 driver for uboot is troublesome when dealing with un-fresh filesystems |
| 12:45.46 | kerio | freemangordon: how do i check my onenand manufacturer? |
| 12:46.32 | Pali | Hurrian, I know that. easy way is to backup data from MyDocs, then mkfs.msdos and copy back |
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| 12:47.32 | Hurrian | Indeed it does - any corruption/alteration of the table breaks the driver. |
| 12:48.00 | Hurrian | One problem though - on systems with CSSU-Thumb. |
| 12:48.41 | Hurrian | The system requires a Thumb kernel, but u-boot uses PR 1.3 kernel. |
| 12:48.44 | freemangordon | kerio: look in dmesg log :P |
| 12:49.08 | Hurrian | How about storing uboot in kernel MTD partition, and the real "flashed" kernel in MTD4? |
| 12:50.09 | Hurrian | MyDocs partition breaking for arbitrary reason = need to flash CSSU-Thumb kernel with flasher |
| 12:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: share grep line ;-D |
| 12:51.00 | freemangordon | "OneNAND Manufacturer:" is what you need, i didn't use grep |
| 12:51.39 | freemangordon | though nymonix should be supported too |
| 12:51.44 | kerio | OneNAND Manufacturer: Numonyx (0x20) |
| 12:51.51 | kerio | 2104 |
| 12:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: grep OneNAND /var/log/syslog |
| 12:52.08 | freemangordon | kerio: does yours boot with latest u-boot? |
| 12:52.12 | kerio | idk |
| 12:52.36 | freemangordon | Pali: dou you have such device? |
| 12:53.11 | Pali | 0x40 |
| 12:53.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: >>Muxed OneNAND 256MB 1.8V 16-bit (0x40)<< here you are: 16bit |
| 12:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | --<128M |
| 12:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | -->* |
| 12:53.32 | freemangordon | yes, i got it |
| 12:53.35 | Pali | Samsung (0xec) |
| 12:53.38 | freemangordon | Pali: ox40? |
| 12:53.41 | freemangordon | aah |
| 12:53.53 | freemangordon | Pali: only one device? |
| 12:53.54 | Pali | 0x40 same as Doc ^^^^^^ |
| 12:53.57 | Pali | yes |
| 12:54.35 | freemangordon | Pali: ox40 is not the manifacturer, it should be either ec(sammie) or 20(nymonix) |
| 12:54.58 | Pali | Samsung (0xec) |
| 12:55.03 | kerio | Muxed OneNAND 256MB 1.8V 16-bit (0x40) |
| 12:55.09 | freemangordon | ok |
| 12:55.10 | Pali | and Muxed OneNAND 256MB 1.8V 16-bit (0x40) |
| 12:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | mtdinfo FWIW |
| 12:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Device is writable: true<< ;-P |
| 12:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya there's a way to (un?)lock mtd partitions (or even pages?) |
| 12:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | big PITA with HARM and openmode |
| 12:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | since the partition/page with device lockcode is locked |
| 12:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | in openmode |
| 13:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if it could get unlocked |
| 13:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you might also want to have a look at mtd_debug --help, not only nanddump/nandwrite |
| 13:02.20 | Pali | freemangordon, in uboot are functions to lock onenand |
| 13:02.33 | Pali | see drivers/mtd |
| 13:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 13:03.21 | Pali | onenand_unlock_all in drivers/mtd/onenand/onenand_base.c |
| 13:03.56 | freemangordon | Pali: i saw that, the question is why it works for samsung |
| 13:04.10 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, does it? |
| 13:04.28 | Pali | maybe special driver, see: drivers/mtd/onenand/samsung.c |
| 13:04.31 | freemangordon | Pali: can you enter uboot console and check if onenand commands work? |
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| 13:08.21 | Pali | not working |
| 13:08.22 | freemangordon | seems like drivers/mtd/onenand/samsung.c is for some samsung bord |
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| 13:08.30 | freemangordon | *board |
| 13:09.03 | Pali | # onenand read 0x86008000 0 256 |
| 13:09.19 | Pali | it write total chip size (0x0) exceeded |
| 13:09.26 | freemangordon | the same here |
| 13:09.39 | freemangordon | chip size is 0x0 |
| 13:10.07 | Pali | and qemu wrote: |
| 13:10.08 | Pali | OneNAND read: offset 0x0, size 0x256 |
| 13:10.09 | Pali | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt this onennand stuff is configured correctly for our hw |
| 13:10.26 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 13:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even dunno why we need it and for what |
| 13:11.11 | freemangordon | no way to replace nolo |
| 13:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess OneNAND has some special extended properties over 'normal' nand, and that OneNAND stuff is to handle those |
| 13:11.45 | Pali | if we decrease size (-mthumb) of uboot we can replace nolo |
| 13:12.15 | freemangordon | if ((*off + *size) > mtd->size) { |
| 13:12.16 | freemangordon | printf("total chip size (0x%llx) exceeded!\n", mtd->size); |
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| 13:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, until it comes to flashing |
| 13:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ |
| 13:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | (replace NOLO) |
| 13:13.08 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, uboot has (not yet merged) patches for standard flashing protocol |
| 13:13.26 | Pali | and we still can use cold-flash for flashing |
| 13:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO is a PITA, since it does a lot of stuff that's not documented at all, and no source available (obviously, but for not so obvious reasons) |
| 13:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 13:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | another PITA |
| 13:14.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, in qemu I can run xloader --> uboot_spl |
| 13:14.15 | Pali | and uboot_spl wrote me hello message |
| 13:14.17 | Pali | and thats all |
| 13:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:14.36 | Pali | because onenand is not implemented in uboot_spl |
| 13:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think there's some pretty proprietary stuff regarding gfx init et al in NOLO |
| 13:14.56 | Pali | but it can write message to serial console - so it is working |
| 13:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's uboot_spl? |
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| 13:15.53 | Pali | freemangordon, see arch/arm/include/asm/arch-omap3/mem.h line 340 |
| 13:15.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what are the not so obvious reasons? |
| 13:16.15 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, uboot spl is replacement for open source TI x-load |
| 13:16.28 | freemangordon | will compile with CONFIG_MTD_DEBUG |
| 13:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: NFC, maybe the supposed proprietary GFX stuff |
| 13:16.41 | Pali | it is loader which load & run bootloader from RAM |
| 13:16.50 | kerio | :c |
| 13:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply Nokia being... Nokia, as usual? |
| 13:17.07 | kerio | fukken nokia |
| 13:17.11 | kerio | shakes his fist at Elop |
| 13:17.25 | kerio | i should make that into a "/nokia" command in xchat |
| 13:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: AIUI this xloader has to carry proper signature, or ROMBL will not load&start it |
| 13:18.02 | Pali | #define <PART>_GPMC_CONFIG<x> <value> |
| 13:18.03 | Pali | ONNAND - Samsung One NAND |
| 13:18.03 | Pali | MNAND - Micron Large page x16 NAND |
| 13:18.31 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, but we can replace nolo with uboot_spl + uboot |
| 13:18.52 | freemangordon | cmt? |
| 13:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's strange then, if we can do this |
| 13:19.02 | Pali | for unknown reason in qemu this not working: xloader -> nolo |
| 13:19.16 | Pali | s/nolo/uboot/ |
| 13:19.31 | Pali | but xloader -> uboot_spl working |
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| 13:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | xloader->* should basically be no problem, since Nokia xloader for N900 doesn't check signature of * afaik |
| 13:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROMBL however checks signature of $xloader |
| 13:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski explained to me that in N900 xloader and NOLO are integrated into one chunk |
| 13:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 13:22.34 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, if you boot nolo without valid kernel image and you have serial console, you will see that nolo has command line |
| 13:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROMBL only checking signature of first part of that chunk that contains the xloader code, I guess |
| 13:22.49 | Pali | and nolo has separate partition for xloader and separate partition for nolo |
| 13:23.04 | Pali | nolo & xloader are separated |
| 13:23.19 | Pali | so omap rom checking only xloader |
| 13:23.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, they live in mtd0, no? |
| 13:23.28 | Pali | yes |
| 13:23.40 | Pali | but partition layout comes from nolo |
| 13:24.03 | Pali | and nolo sent different layout to kernel (and different has itself) |
| 13:24.19 | Pali | but when you flashing n900, you need to flash xloader and nolo together |
| 13:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:24.45 | Pali | NOLO protocol has message for load xloader, message for load nolo and message for flash xloader+nolo |
| 13:25.00 | Pali | there is no message for flash only xloader |
| 13:25.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it's not possible |
| 13:25.24 | Pali | I played with flashing, you know that I rewritten 0xFFFF |
| 13:25.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 13:25.55 | Pali | btw, what is license of xloader? |
| 13:26.00 | Pali | redistributable or not? |
| 13:26.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 13:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 13:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I always thought it's an open reference implementation from TI |
| 13:26.46 | Pali | not, nokia xloader is closed |
| 13:26.55 | Pali | and is not same as TI xload |
| 13:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, by nokia |
| 13:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, Nokia tweaked the TI reference implementation. But what does that mean? |
| 13:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's been the question? ;-) |
| 13:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you asking if anybody will get upset when you redistribute xloader binary? Answer: probably not |
| 13:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | except the FOSS purists of course, who will start bitching at you to disclose the sourcecode ;-P |
| 13:30.27 | jon_y | imma wait for the FOSS Inquisition |
| 13:30.57 | jon_y | Grand Inquisitor Stallman says court is in session |
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| 13:31.44 | jon_y | sadly the xloader source likely died with the N900 in Nokia |
| 13:32.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask jacekowski, he knows a lot more about all that stuff than I do |
| 13:32.42 | freemangordon | Pali: onenand phys base is 0x04000000 according to syslog, in config file #define CONFIG_SYS_ONENAND_BASEONENAND_MAP |
| 13:32.48 | freemangordon | #define ONENAND_MAP0x20000000/* OneNand addr */ |
| 13:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange stuff |
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| 13:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Few developers make me so angry as WhatsApp's ones. They just took XMPP, made a couple of changes so that it does not work with normal clients, forgot about any kind of security and call it a day. Their biggest idea is using phone numbers as identifiers and marketing their app as an SMS replacement instead of an internet chat. F*ck them. -- DMiax@Slashdot<< :-D +1000 |
| 13:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | (from don_falcone@tmo signature) |
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| 13:54.40 | Sicelo | lol |
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| 15:11.35 | kerio | oooh, i realized that my neighbour has WPS enabled on his wifi network |
| 15:13.23 | Sicelo | lol |
| 15:13.47 | Sicelo | naughty thoughts? :P |
| 15:17.12 | kerio | maybe |
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| 15:26.05 | ShadowJK_ | does that make it easier to crack? |
| 15:34.16 | peetah | ShadowJK_: from wikipedia, theoretically 10,000,000 possibilities, actually 11,000 attempts to be sure to have an access |
| 15:35.35 | kerio | ShadowJK_: WPS is *so* dumb |
| 15:35.40 | kerio | you have an 8-digit pin |
| 15:35.49 | kerio | but the first 4 digits are checked independently |
| 15:35.53 | kerio | and the last one is a checksum |
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| 15:57.27 | ShadowJK_ | wtf lol |
| 15:57.38 | ShadowJK_ | can you disable pin and only allow buttan |
| 15:57.56 | kerio | i don't think so, idk |
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| 16:06.30 | Pali | ping merlin1991 |
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| 16:06.52 | Pali | ping Sicelo |
| 16:07.33 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 16:07.58 | Sicelo | hey Pali |
| 16:08.26 | Pali | Sicelo, can you test freemangordon build of uboot? |
| 16:08.42 | Sicelo | where is it? |
| 16:08.58 | freemangordon | http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/u-boot/ |
| 16:09.10 | freemangordon | Sicelo: kernel-cssu3 ;) |
| 16:09.18 | freemangordon | attached kernel that is |
| 16:10.15 | freemangordon | Pali: do you know where in the kernel code is onenand init for rx51 |
| 16:10.26 | freemangordon | i need base address and CSn |
| 16:10.54 | Pali | try drivers/mtd/onenand |
| 16:11.16 | Sicelo | brb then.. n900 is my only connection |
| 16:11.30 | freemangordon | Sicelo: ^^^ |
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| 16:12.12 | merlin1991 | Pali: pong |
| 16:12.26 | Pali | or try arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx51-flash.c + board-n800-flash.c |
| 16:12.36 | freemangordon | already tried |
| 16:12.38 | Pali | (yes rx51 calling n800 functions :D) |
| 16:12.51 | freemangordon | no, they are just declared |
| 16:12.53 | Pali | merlin1991, can you test freemangordon uboot build? |
| 16:14.56 | Pali | freemangordon, parsing omap parition table is implemented in some n8xx function |
| 16:15.13 | Pali | and that omap atag is same for n8xx and n900 |
| 16:15.16 | freemangordon | yes, but i miss HW settings |
| 16:15.51 | Pali | btw, what is this code doing?: return &rx51_sdrc_params[0]; |
| 16:18.28 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: so you have kernel cssu3 attached ?? |
| 16:18.35 | freemangordon | yes |
| 16:18.53 | merlin1991 | why does it say +zImage-2.6.28-omap1 then? :D |
| 16:19.06 | freemangordon | NFC, ask pali |
| 16:19.38 | Pali | merlin1991, because debian/rules has hardcoded that name |
| 16:19.48 | freemangordon | :P |
| 16:19.54 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 16:19.59 | merlin1991 | okay I'll reboot and flash |
| 16:21.01 | freemangordon | Pali: r = gpmc_cs_request(c->gpmc_cs, ONENAND_IO_SIZE, &c->phys_base); |
| 16:22.36 | merlin1991 | freemangordon, Pali: it boots |
| 16:22.46 | Pali | nice :-) |
| 16:22.55 | merlin1991 | so what did you guys change? :D |
| 16:23.12 | freemangordon | disabled onenand and mtdparts support |
| 16:23.59 | merlin1991 | but -12 at least had no onenand support, no idea about mtdparts |
| 16:24.16 | freemangordon | merlin1991: 2204 uses different onenand chip |
| 16:24.58 | merlin1991 | yeah but to my understanding, in the -12 image I got from pali there was no onenand support? |
| 16:25.16 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 16:26.29 | Sicelo | Pali: freemangordon .. not booting. after i choose 'Attached Kernel' , device reboots in about 5 seconds |
| 16:26.38 | Sicelo | watchdogs maybe? |
| 16:26.40 | merlin1991 | Sicelo: boot a not attached kernel |
| 16:26.47 | merlin1991 | attached is the one from cssu-thumb |
| 16:26.53 | merlin1991 | where you probably have no modules |
| 16:26.55 | freemangordon | Sicelo: do you have cssu-thumb installed? |
| 16:26.59 | Sicelo | nop |
| 16:27.17 | freemangordon | well, then you don't have kernel-cssu3 as well :P |
| 16:27.52 | freemangordon | Pali: and deffinitely base address is 0x04000000 |
| 16:28.14 | Pali | ok |
| 16:28.25 | Pali | are you going to add onenand support? |
| 16:28.37 | freemangordon | will try at least |
| 16:30.10 | Sicelo | Pali: you still have a .deb of -11 around? |
| 16:30.25 | Pali | yes |
| 16:30.48 | Pali | no deb, but only image |
| 16:32.07 | Pali | Sicelo: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/old/ |
| 16:32.14 | Sicelo | thanks |
| 16:34.43 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, freemangordon, is driver for n900 led too complicated or is easy to port it to uboot? |
| 16:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically easy |
| 16:35.10 | Pali | sometimes it is really bad when led is turned on |
| 16:35.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | though a tad fsckdup (based on LP5521 properties) |
| 16:35.39 | Pali | and display backlight? |
| 16:35.49 | merlin1991 | hehe now we need led and charge support in u-boot, then we can go FUCK act_dead we do proper battery recovery :D |
| 16:35.53 | Pali | sometimes nolo turned display off... |
| 16:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe you just want to talk to LP5523 via direct I2C rather than porting full driver for that |
| 16:36.37 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I think that uboot needs only to turn led off... nothing more |
| 16:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | just muses about how things/own motivations become more clear in hindsight |
| 16:37.08 | Pali | merlin1991, I can write charge support |
| 16:37.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1277663&postcount=116 |
| 16:37.42 | Pali | but first I want to shred -u BME |
| 16:37.52 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 16:39.26 | merlin1991 | btw are you goign to upstream the n900 u-boot changes Pali? |
| 16:39.53 | Pali | freemangordon, are you sure that all closed maemo applications (except hald-addon-bme) using libbmeipc only for temperature? |
| 16:40.08 | Pali | merlin1991, yes, I want to upstream n900 uboot |
| 16:40.25 | Pali | I already sent more patches, but they was not merged |
| 16:40.44 | Pali | (due to some changes in uboot core for relocation) |
| 16:41.52 | merlin1991 | hm is there a dedicated mailinglist for u-boot? |
| 16:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: (using libbmeipc) maybe that's really hard to tell |
| 16:42.15 | merlin1991 | ah found it |
| 16:42.50 | merlin1991 | sometimes I hate google, I search for u-boot and it gives me a billion entries for the submarine thanks to my "german speaking" ip |
| 16:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I could figure some of those closed maemo apps will do some exceptional stuff in exceptional situations, like overheated device etc |
| 16:43.00 | Pali | merlin1991, last patch series is here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/130370/ |
| 16:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | emergency call |
| 16:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: the joy of silly pkg naming |
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| 17:12.12 | freemangordon | Pali: it is above my expertize to enable onenand support, you should ask for some help on #u-boot, sotty |
| 17:12.15 | freemangordon | *sorry |
| 17:12.40 | Pali | ok |
| 17:12.46 | freemangordon | and looking at kernel code we just miss support for our device |
| 17:13.45 | freemangordon | Pali: see drivers/mtd/onenand/omap2.c |
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| 17:50.13 | ShadowJK_ | made a small script to killall -STOP fennec if loadavg goes over 3.00 |
| 17:50.29 | ShadowJK_ | merlin1991; it does that to me too |
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| 17:53.39 | kerio | ShadowJK_: but... what if you're using it? D: |
| 17:53.46 | ShadowJK_ | i need to install gcc and rewrite script in gcc |
| 17:53.52 | ShadowJK_ | uh, in c |
| 17:54.02 | ShadowJK_ | loadvg jupmed to 9 all of sudden |
| 17:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: mind to share the script? |
| 17:57.53 | ShadowJK_ | it's a "one-liner" |
| 17:58.10 | ShadowJK_ | I need to stop fennec and script to copypaste it |
| 17:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 18:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | (one-liner) guessed as much |
| 18:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it's same direction as my idea of general system sanity monitor |
| 18:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I might take it for inspiration |
| 18:03.28 | ShadowJK_ | from memory: while true; do L=$(sed s/\\\./\ / </proc/loadavg | awk '{print $1}' ) ; if [ $L -gt 2 ] ; then killall -STOP fennec ; else killall -CONT fennec ; fi ; sleep 1 ; done |
| 18:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 18:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | still wonders how to evaluate per-process cpu usage |
| 18:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and other top-alike stuff |
| 18:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly I have to learn more about /proc/*/*/* |
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| 18:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I could check src of top, or procps |
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| 18:16.19 | ShadowJK_ | or Documentation/ in kernel src |
| 18:16.50 | ShadowJK_ | /proc/pid/stat, but I forget what the numbers are ;p |
| 18:17.03 | ShadowJK_ | and /proc/stat systemwide |
| 18:22.47 | freemangordon | jacekowski: ping |
| 18:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, /proc/<PID>/stat |
| 18:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 18:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1420426/calculating-cpu-usage-of-a-process-in-linux |
| 18:26.01 | kerio | heh, TIL that the unit of cpu time in linux is called a jiffy |
| 18:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | TIL? |
| 18:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf til |
| 18:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict til |
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| 18:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | jiffy is age old time unit in all *nix |
| 18:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | there actually even *is* a way to find out about jiffies/second on your particular system - just I forgot how |
| 18:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically a jiffy is one heartbeat of the hw-clock used to drive systemclock |
| 19:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | man:/usr/share/man/man7/time.7.gz |
| 19:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | or man 7 time |
| 19:02.31 | kgu_ | What is in scope for the next CSSU? |
| 19:08.10 | kerio | kgu: a lot more flamewars |
| 19:08.48 | kerio | also a way to choose optional package blocks |
| 19:08.54 | merlin1991 | kgu: well firstly, stable or testing? |
| 19:09.36 | merlin1991 | in testing we have updated openss, camera-ui and possibly sqlite3 |
| 19:09.45 | merlin1991 | *openssl* |
| 19:10.25 | Sicelo | and in stable? |
| 19:11.11 | merlin1991 | ask chemist :D |
| 19:11.31 | kgu | I meant in testing |
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| 19:17.56 | kgu | Is there an alternative to the calendar widget? I would love to be able to automatic switch profile according to meetings in calendar |
| 19:20.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: I think that should be feasible with original calendar, some interface process to pick out the meeting dates, and switch profiles accordingly |
| 19:21.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I recall somebody doing *exactly* what you're interested in, quite some time ago |
| 19:21.28 | merlin1991 | there is a packge / python script for that somewhere |
| 19:21.58 | kgu | ohh cool - do you know where to find it? |
| 19:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | search packet interface for "calendar" or "profile" |
| 19:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | *might* help |
| 19:23.59 | kgu | in HAM? |
| 19:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
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| 19:35.08 | merlin1991 | hm forgot that I have to assess the qt4 merge request |
| 19:36.30 | Pali | merlin1991, I remember that MAG compiled new version of pulseaudio for maemo |
| 19:36.42 | Pali | do you know reason why he want to update pulseaudio? |
| 19:36.52 | merlin1991 | no idea |
| 19:37.24 | Pali | MAG is offline now... |
| 19:39.58 | kgu | maemo-profiler 0.0.1 could be the one, but just tried to install it, but no program icon shows up.. |
| 19:46.40 | kgu | ahh, it shows up as 'application' - not so intuitive. But no functions in this app, so cant be the one |
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| 19:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72876 |
| 20:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: google maemo calendar profile: ~15th hit |
| 20:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, 4th |
| 20:02.45 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping |
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| 20:08.22 | kgu | DocScrutinizer05: perfect, you are the man! |
| 20:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: yw |
| 20:08.58 | kgu | but what to do, when it returns this error: ImportError: No module named mafw |
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| 20:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-mafw/ maybe? |
| 20:17.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: ^^^ |
| 20:20.45 | kgu | sounds like the one - will give it a try |
| 20:21.39 | kgu | hmm, can't install |
| 20:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 20:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | either install with apt-get when you got extras-devel repo enabled. Or download the .deb from the pkg site, and install with dpkg (or simply by clicking it in microB browser) |
| 20:31.32 | kgu | it says incompatible package |
| 20:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you downloaded the i386? |
| 20:32.07 | kgu | no, the armel |
| 20:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's wrong then. Who says that? |
| 20:32.35 | kgu | HAM |
| 20:32.38 | ketas | damn, is there *SANE* phone on earth |
| 20:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | check problems tab |
| 20:33.09 | kgu | problems tab is exactly 'incompatible package' |
| 20:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | use apt-get or dpkg approach |
| 20:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM is not really meant for installing stuff like that |
| 20:33.55 | kgu | your wish is my command ;) |
| 20:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually amazed you even see this python binding in HAM |
| 20:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe python bindings are not exactly libraries like arbitrary .so |
| 20:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM world |
| 20:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but anyway, use dpkg (or apt-get) |
| 20:35.49 | kgu | yeah, it works with apt-get! Thx again DocScrutinizer05. Now I will just have to figure out how to use the script.. |
| 20:41.00 | jacekowski | freemangordon: pong |
| 20:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: aiui this python script has to get started once, preferrably during boot, and waits in background for next meeting |
| 20:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably use a .desktop file for autostarting it, see modest.desktop etc |
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| 20:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are several .desktop that don't show any icon |
| 20:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | just to autostart stuff |
| 20:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | the shebang line of that script and the run-standalone.sh in there makes me think though that the original author planned to start it via initscript form /etc/init.d |
| 20:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask merlin1991;-D I see him mentioned in that scriptie |
| 20:45.49 | kgu | ok, I will try to drop it in init.d |
| 20:46.56 | kgu | but it should be run as user, right? |
| 20:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | run-standalone.sh will take care |
| 20:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 20:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm musing about this: sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/lib/switchProfByMeeting') |
| 20:54.27 | merlin1991 | that's for loading python modules |
| 20:54.36 | merlin1991 | python has a fixed path to load modules from |
| 20:54.51 | merlin1991 | also anything can be visible in ham as long as the package section is in user/* |
| 20:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for sure don't have that dir, nor any python modules in it |
| 20:55.04 | freemangordon | jacekowski: sorry to pester, would you mind to look at this http://pastebin.com/1QtcHkS7 |
| 20:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | (ham) I know |
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| 20:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sys.path.insert(0, '/home/user') |
| 20:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ also for loading python modules? |
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| 20:57.02 | kerio | if you're dicking around with sys.path, you're doing it wrong |
| 20:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: pretty please go to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72876 and fix it, then |
| 20:58.15 | kgu | A nice little icon just showed up in the status window :) |
| 20:58.36 | kerio | i don't even have a switchProfByMeeting |
| 20:58.46 | kgu | now I just have to fidle around with the profile names, that should be used |
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| 21:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | general & silent, I'd guess |
| 21:05.46 | kgu | yes, but I have other names |
| 21:05.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | notz really ;-) |
| 21:07.16 | kgu | silent is silent, and meeting is nearly silent :) |
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| 21:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: you see those dbus msgs in that script |
| 21:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: in set_profile( self, prof ) |
| 21:31.39 | kgu | yes,I have changed them |
| 21:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | def update_profile( self ): |
| 21:33.15 | kgu | I'm trying to figure out how often the script will reread the calendar to include new meetings.. |
| 21:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's questionable if it will work to use other profile names, but it should, depending on profile manager you use |
| 21:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kgu: it's event triggered |
| 21:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | so - whenever you change calendar |
| 21:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or when a timer expires (start or end of a meeting) |
| 21:34.19 | kgu | I use profileX |
| 21:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it checks for next event due |
| 21:34.43 | kgu | I will see tomorrow if I distrub the meetings or not ;) |
| 21:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can check dbus (use dbus-monitor) to see if profileX actually implements new profile names, or is also using the old nasty trick to "detune" general profile |
| 21:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | tweakr does |
| 21:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (abuse 'general' for all custom profiles) |
| 21:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | MWKN once quoted a discussion between me and mohammadAG about that topic |
| 21:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | the profiled can handle arbitrary profiles, but profile system status plugin can't deal with new names it seems |
| 21:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 21:39.03 | kgu | what to look for in dbus-monitor, when I change profile? |
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| 22:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, some msg with either 'your' profile name, or "silent" or "geberal" |
| 22:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | general* |
| 22:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:42.13 | jacekowski | freemangordon: looks ok |
| 22:43.47 | jacekowski | freemangordon: though, i'm not sure if dmb is required there |
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| 23:11.43 | SpeedEvil | http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ launch of iss resupply in a little over an hour |
| 23:12.39 | RST38h | Ah, what is the point... |
| 23:18.22 | SpeedEvil | well, spacex is at least doing stuff that could lower launch costs a long way. |
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| 23:32.56 | RST38h | Speed: As far as I can tell, it is the same carrier, so no idea why it would lower launch costs |
| 23:33.44 | RST38h | Probably something like twice the cost of launching another Progress |
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| 23:38.26 | SpeedEvil | see the 'grasshopper' - which is a testbed for first stage reuse. |
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| 23:48.08 | RST38h | Speed: but they are not launching the grasshopper |
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| 23:48.51 | RST38h | Meanwhile, real enterpreneurs are busy with real business: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/07/ebay_campaigns_over_first_sale_doctrine_copyright_case/ |
| 23:48.55 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
| 23:50.25 | SpeedEvil | they have launched it, |
| 23:50.43 | SpeedEvil | OK, it went 6 feet. but tis a start, |
| 23:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | Copyright has gotten out of hand. |
| 23:53.28 | RST38h | General: I am eagerly awaiting when they start handing out jail sentences for copying content |
| 23:53.52 | RST38h | General: Will be almost as much fun as instituting indenturing servitude as part of bankrupcy proceedings =) |
| 23:54.03 | RST38h | s/indenturing/indentured |
| 23:54.06 | SpeedEvil | eagerly awaiting? |
| 23:54.19 | RST38h | likes good circus |
| 23:54.21 | SpeedEvil | been a while now, |
| 23:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to see how the next SCOTUS decisions on this play out. |
| 23:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | I think the ideology is leaning a bit away from absolute copyright insanity. |
| 23:55.01 | RST38h | They say SCOTUS is up for a refresh under the next president |
| 23:55.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yup |
| 23:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | Potentially 2 seats opening up. |
| 23:55.31 | SpeedEvil | roll it back to 15 years. |
| 23:55.36 | RST38h | General: Not as I see it. Quite opposite, Obama is a big friend of copyright, and Romney is a huge friend of big business |
| 23:55.47 | SpeedEvil | make patent originality mean something, |
| 23:55.54 | RST38h | General: So, whatever clown gets the white house, we are fucked =) |
| 23:56.02 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe |
| 23:56.13 | GeneralAntilles | Romney could seat another Thomas, though. |
| 23:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | Another Sotomayor or Kagan though would be death. |
| 23:56.39 | SpeedEvil | you should never be able to patent the obvious expression of a problem, if that could be come up by your average engineer in a month. |
| 23:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | I'm still dreaming of Judge Napolitano, though. :D |
| 23:57.00 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, problem is the USPO hasn't scaled well |
| 23:57.04 | RST38h | You are dreaming along party lines, I am afraid |
| 23:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | and they have ZERO incentive to do due diligence. |
| 23:57.14 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 23:57.18 | RST38h | You want sane people, whatever their party leaning |
| 23:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | I say privatize it. |
| 23:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, tribalism seems to run deeper on the left. |
| 23:58.10 | RST38h | The left is full of well-intentioned idiots |
| 23:58.24 | RST38h | The right is full of crazy corporate wackos though |
| 23:58.44 | RST38h | can't really says which ones are worse =( |
| 23:59.18 | GeneralAntilles | They're both pretty bad. |
| 23:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | Time for a third party. |
| 23:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | Right now I think the personality cult of Obamaism is worse. |
| 23:59.40 | RST38h | libertarians (tm)? same crazy wackos, on steroids =( |
| 23:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | But that could easily shift back the other way. |
| 23:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, OK, a third and fourth party. |