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| 00:13.37 | FIQ|n900 | hm.. |
| 00:13.47 | FIQ|n900 | HAM is weird |
| 00:15.21 | FIQ|n900 | I'm proceeding to install CSSU, and HAM, apart from looking like not doing anything at all (no dialog or "waiting" symbol or anything) to show CSSU enabler install dialog. Then it just prompts "Could not install Community SSU enabler." |
| 00:15.29 | FIQ|n900 | OK - awesome error reporting |
| 00:15.44 | FIQ|n900 | Is there a way to |
| 00:16.20 | FIQ|n900 | check *why* it didn't install? |
| 00:17.16 | FIQ|n900 | huh |
| 00:17.45 | FIQ|n900 | there seems to be a Community SSU button in the application menu even though HAM said it failed... |
| 00:17.56 | FIQ|n900 | HAM is confusing :< |
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| 00:34.13 | Skry | HAM is bad |
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| 00:45.38 | FIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 00:45.56 | FIQ|n900 | also, "(null) Install anyway" dialogs doesn't help either :p |
| 00:46.24 | FIQ|n900 | also, "(null) Install anyway?" dialogs doesn't help either :p |
| 00:47.20 | Skry | very useful feedback indeed |
| 00:48.48 | FIQ|n900 | oh god why are you doing this to me, HAM :( |
| 00:49.23 | FIQ|n900 | how am I supposed to install coreutils-gnu in devel when I can't even activate the repo (because the list somehow is empty) |
| 00:50.06 | FIQ|n900 | After my last reflash, I decided to only activate devel when needed |
| 00:50.31 | FIQ|n900 | What a bad idea that was... as it requires me to actually use HAM (to disable/enable devel) |
| 00:53.46 | FIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 00:53.56 | FIQ|n900 | which files does busybox source? |
| 00:54.47 | FIQ|n900 | get "ls: unrecognized option `--color=none'" when I start busybox, would like to know where it's used |
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| 01:50.09 | merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: regarding ham empty list |
| 01:50.51 | merlin1991 | fire up ham, then fire up console and run top, ham is ready for you when apt-worker* process don't clog your system anymore |
| 01:51.33 | merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: also the source for busybox is a "busybox" source pkg |
| 01:51.51 | merlin1991 | ah wait |
| 01:52.00 | merlin1991 | headdesks |
| 01:52.18 | merlin1991 | check you .profile and stuff busybox checks a few of them |
| 02:02.47 | FIQ|n900 | thanks |
| 02:03.58 | FIQ|n900 | but I can't see apt-worker in top at all |
| 02:04.09 | FIQ|n900 | and repo list is still empty |
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| 02:11.10 | robbiethe1st | Wait... people use graphical package managers? |
| 02:11.16 | FIQ|n900 | solved the source issue though |
| 02:11.31 | robbiethe1st | I always just used apt-get etc... Faster, more responsive, and no hidden errors. |
| 02:11.35 | FIQ|n900 | robbiethe1st: do you have another suggestion on enabling/disabling extras-devel? |
| 02:11.40 | FIQ|n900 | indeed |
| 02:11.52 | FIQ|n900 | but if I want to manage repositories |
| 02:12.04 | FIQ|n900 | people in here recommend me to use HAM |
| 02:12.14 | FIQ|n900 | as doing it commandline apparently breaks things |
| 02:12.21 | robbiethe1st | Edit the maemo-whatever file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 02:12.28 | FIQ|n900 | ty |
| 02:12.42 | robbiethe1st | And then apt-get update etc. |
| 02:12.43 | robbiethe1st | works great |
| 02:12.49 | FIQ|n900 | now i can stop use this POS |
| 02:13.06 | robbiethe1st | Yeah. |
| 02:15.15 | FIQ|n900 | huh |
| 02:15.16 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 02:15.23 | robbiethe1st | ? |
| 02:15.34 | FIQ|n900 | what does "Inactivate" do from HAM exactly? |
| 02:15.46 | robbiethe1st | Comment it out? |
| 02:15.58 | FIQ|n900 | seems that the extras-devel repo simply disappeared instead of being commented out |
| 02:16.07 | FIQ|n900 | oh well, it's not that hard to create |
| 02:16.39 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
| 02:16.57 | robbiethe1st | To be fair, though, I'm one of those people who turns to the command like first in most cases, so I don't know if it could possibly break the graphical managers somehow; if you have trouble, though, you can always just undo it. And I've never had an issue with the command-line tools, or(that I can remember) breaking either the official package manager or FAM |
| 02:17.49 | FIQ|n900 | by the way, do you know anything about a broken cssu-enabler? |
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| 02:18.08 | robbiethe1st | No; I've not installed CSSU. |
| 02:18.19 | FIQ|n900 | installing it earlier today didn't succeed properly from dpkg's point of view, though it was installed |
| 02:18.20 | robbiethe1st | I use kernel-power, and OC and such. |
| 02:18.22 | FIQ|n900 | hmm ok |
| 02:18.24 | robbiethe1st | but no cssu |
| 02:18.46 | robbiethe1st | I've found that often you have to manually mess with things when dpkg gets in a snit |
| 02:19.32 | robbiethe1st | Like errors about some pre-remove script not working required me to edit the aforementioned file and add an 'exit 0' so dpkg installs the next version |
| 02:20.03 | robbiethe1st | annoying, but it's the price I pay for having full control over my phone. :P |
| 02:23.28 | FIQ|n900 | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 02:33.00 | FIQ|n900 | there we go.. usable shell environment |
| 02:33.24 | FIQ|n900 | well, almost.. no dejavu sans mono until reboot |
| 02:36.44 | robbiethe1st | What, no Courier New? |
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| 02:38.43 | FIQ|n900 | courier new is a nice font in editors |
| 02:38.53 | FIQ|n900 | but I don't like it for the terminal |
| 02:39.16 | FIQ|n900 | granted, you can use editors in terminals |
| 02:39.33 | FIQ|n900 | but imo, courier new is hard to read in n900 because it's thin |
| 02:51.24 | robbiethe1st | Eh, that's your opinion |
| 02:51.55 | robbiethe1st | actually |
| 02:52.05 | robbiethe1st | I'm using Monospace Bold 12pt myself |
| 02:52.23 | robbiethe1st | On 100-dpi screens, I always use courier new |
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| 02:53.15 | robbiethe1st | Problem is, in order to make a thin font like that work, you can't have anti-aliasing enabled. Clear, sharp pixel lines |
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| 09:23.33 | Hurrian | whoa, apparently someone gathered all the patches and got 3.5 to boot on the N900. |
| 09:28.18 | NIN101 | cool but no real practical use unfortunately. |
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| 09:45.14 | Hurrian | if it boots to a tty, then it's fine |
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| 09:50.01 | NIN101 | and what practical use is this still? |
| 09:51.19 | NIN101 | I mean, I can also boot into a tty with 2.6.28... |
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| 10:26.18 | grammoboy | I can't transmit my mp3 playing to the radio via the fm transmitter? |
| 10:26.26 | grammoboy | only internet radio? |
| 10:27.09 | Hurrian | grammoboy, all audio is piped to the FMTX |
| 10:27.12 | Hurrian | check your settings |
| 10:27.41 | grammoboy | Hurrian, so it is possible? |
| 10:27.43 | grammoboy | hmm |
| 10:28.43 | Hurrian | it's how it normally works |
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| 10:30.36 | grammoboy | can it be any frequency? |
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| 10:32.52 | grammoboy | or pick one which doesn't belong to a real radio station? |
| 10:33.02 | grammoboy | eg a uncommon freq? |
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| 10:34.32 | vi__ | how do I stop extkb from hosing my keyboard geometry? |
| 10:34.51 | Hurrian | grammoboy, yeah |
| 10:35.07 | Hurrian | actually, that's what's recommended, because the FMTX antenna has piss poor TX power |
| 10:35.20 | vi__ | when I disconnect my BT KB by unfriendly means my N900 KB goes bananas |
| 10:35.42 | vi__ | Hurrian: not just that, it is of piss poor design as well. |
| 10:35.44 | Hurrian | vi__, a script to reload the N900's KB config? |
| 10:35.51 | Hurrian | no idea how to watch for that though |
| 10:36.01 | Hurrian | a QBW button/ |
| 10:36.14 | vi__ | ever notice that it works nicely on low freqs but sucks utter monkey nuts at high freqs? |
| 10:36.29 | Hurrian | vi__, antenna problems? |
| 10:36.40 | vi__ | Hurrian: what do I have to do to reload rx-51 geometry? |
| 10:36.45 | Hurrian | never noticed that, freqs < 90MHz are all filled up. |
| 10:37.01 | vi__ | setxkbmap only loads leymap. |
| 10:37.33 | vi__ | which is no use if the n900 thinks the n900 keyboard is the same physical layout of my external kb. |
| 10:37.49 | Hurrian | I was going to suggest that, but didn't realize there was a diff bet geometry and layout. |
| 10:38.38 | vi__ | kerio: ping |
| 10:39.07 | vi__ | the joys of having an spp kb and not a hal one. |
| 10:39.31 | vi__ | that coupled with a totally broken implementation of kbdd and bluetoothd |
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| 10:40.50 | vi__ | kerio: ping |
| 10:40.52 | vi__ | kerio: ping |
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| 11:02.00 | grammoboy | Hurrian, ok it works, but only if you keep the n900 real close to the tuner |
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| 11:12.56 | vi__ | stupid nospam junk |
| 11:13.00 | vi__ | sonassbitch |
| 11:13.06 | vi__ | kerio: ping |
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| 11:16.51 | vi__ | has anyone here got a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 11:17.01 | vi__ | can you give me some: |
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| 11:17.29 | vi__ | cat /var/lib/bluetooth/<your mac>/profiles |
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| 11:29.30 | pavi_ | Hi I am getting the telephony functions disabled error after using N900 for like a year ! I didnt even touch the sim , what might have happened ? |
| 11:33.33 | vi__ | pavi_: your n900 has died. |
| 11:33.46 | edheldil | pavi_: happened to me a month ago. Quite possibly dead phone in the phone |
| 11:34.18 | vi__ | pavi_: did you buy your n900 new? |
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| 11:34.35 | pavi_ | No I dont have warranty if thats what you are asking |
| 11:34.45 | pavi_ | so there is no solution? |
| 11:34.59 | vi__ | depends what the issue is. |
| 11:35.00 | edheldil | pavi_: try to run 'pnatd' command when it disables the 'phony' functions and issue blind type 'AT' |
| 11:35.20 | sixwheeledbeast | hammer solution?....lol |
| 11:35.21 | edheldil | or AT+CFUN? (iirc) |
| 11:35.34 | vi__ | six |
| 11:35.43 | vi__ | sixwheeledbeast: you have a BT KB? |
| 11:35.48 | sixwheeledbeast | yes |
| 11:36.08 | pavi_ | sixwheeledbeast, yeah seen the hammer solution :( |
| 11:36.22 | sixwheeledbeast | looks a bit scary IMO |
| 11:36.38 | edheldil | mine gets stuck without output after AT, phic presumably is dead phone |
| 11:36.44 | edheldil | s/phic/which/ |
| 11:37.11 | edheldil | somebody recommended reflash, haven't tried it yet |
| 11:37.36 | pavi_ | edheldil, what does issue blind type mean? does it ask for it ? |
| 11:37.47 | pavi_ | I am running pnatd as root but no response |
| 11:38.32 | edheldil | no, run pnatd command *as root * from a terminal and then blind type (because it does not echo by default) AT |
| 11:38.37 | edheldil | and enter |
| 11:39.20 | edheldil | when rapuyama is working, it replies 'OK' |
| 11:39.31 | pavi_ | ohh ok . |
| 11:40.15 | sixwheeledbeast | vi_: I have what's your problem? |
| 11:40.36 | pavi_ | edheldil, tried that no response from the terminal . |
| 11:41.10 | edheldil | well, then see above |
| 11:41.13 | pavi_ | is sad to have a dead N900 :( |
| 11:42.07 | edheldil | for some time it helped to reboot or powercycle the phone, but now it does not work anymore |
| 11:43.14 | pavi_ | edheldil, same here it started with me selecting 3G ( normally its on GSM) . later only reboot helped .. guess it will become worse |
| 11:45.07 | edheldil | try reflash :) |
| 11:45.29 | vi__ | sixwheeledbeast: is it an hid KB? |
| 11:45.38 | sixwheeledbeast | pavi_: I have had it once, months ago and it hasn't reoccured. I took it apart and blew the dust out the battery /sim tray. |
| 11:46.01 | vi__ | or an spp kb? |
| 11:46.23 | sixwheeledbeast | hid me thinks |
| 11:46.28 | vi__ | ok |
| 11:46.50 | vi__ | when you go to bluetooth in menu, do you get the option to 'connect' |
| 11:47.02 | vi__ | or is the button greyed out? |
| 11:47.38 | sixwheeledbeast | just released I haven't reinstalled extkbd or my kbd after the last reflash |
| 11:48.00 | vi__ | have you paired the KB? |
| 11:48.09 | Chiku|dc | hi which port gmail talk user on meamo? |
| 11:48.21 | Chiku|dc | use* |
| 11:48.30 | Chiku|dc | 443? |
| 11:48.35 | sixwheeledbeast | yes a while ago |
| 11:49.01 | vi__ | Chiku|dc: the standard one |
| 11:49.17 | vi__ | sixwheeledbeast: then you can still check, you do not need extkb installed etc. |
| 11:49.38 | vi__ | also, what 'profiles' does it list as supported? |
| 11:52.06 | sixwheeledbeast | i do have extkdb, but it shows a hildon-banner error and borks the settings app. |
| 11:52.26 | sixwheeledbeast | not used since the reflash tbh |
| 11:53.13 | sixwheeledbeast | /opt/usr/bin/extkbd --parent 100% in top |
| 11:53.38 | vi__ | I just want you to click on the status menu, bluetooth, devices, your KB, edit and tell me what the supported profiles are. |
| 11:54.04 | sixwheeledbeast | HID only |
| 11:54.12 | vi__ | there we go |
| 11:54.27 | vi__ | is the 'connect' button greyed out? |
| 11:54.42 | sixwheeledbeast | no |
| 11:54.47 | vi__ | good |
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| 11:55.59 | vi__ | I think I shall have to write a QBW to make a BT KB on/off toggle anyway. |
| 11:56.21 | vi__ | I get the feeling SPP KB is 'dumb' compared to HID. |
| 11:56.56 | vi__ | That coupled with the fact bluetoothd is totally fucking broken. |
| 11:57.27 | narcos | Does anyone know how a script can determine its location? |
| 11:57.28 | vi__ | and kbdd from the repos relies on bluetoothd working means it is also totally fucking broken. |
| 11:57.36 | narcos | (bash script) |
| 11:57.48 | vi__ | the location of what? |
| 11:57.52 | narcos | i.e. regardless of the directory I call it from, it knows where it is |
| 11:58.08 | vi__ | pwd command |
| 11:58.16 | narcos | vi__: The location of itself on the filesystem |
| 11:58.33 | narcos | Like pwd, but working regardless of where I call the script from |
| 11:58.45 | vi__ | not the current working directory? |
| 11:59.02 | vi__ | uh...locate? |
| 11:59.07 | vi__ | find? |
| 11:59.25 | narcos | vi__: No, the location of the script. So if the script is /foo/bar/script.sh, and I call it from /foo/ - I want the result '/foo/bar/' |
| 11:59.40 | narcos | vi__: That's not very efficient each time the script runs, and there may be other copies of it lying around |
| 12:00.03 | vi__ | scripts only think in terms of current working directory. |
| 12:00.14 | vi__ | they have no knowledge of where they live. |
| 12:00.16 | narcos | i've found this solution - DIR="$( cd "$( dirname "${BASH_SOURCE[0]}" )" && pwd )" |
| 12:00.22 | narcos | But it doesn't seem to work on BusyBox |
| 12:00.25 | narcos | It works on Ubuntu |
| 12:00.38 | vi__ | probably because BB uses ASH |
| 12:01.03 | vi__ | why cant you use bash? |
| 12:01.25 | narcos | Hm, I am using bash |
| 12:01.50 | vi__ | Then it is not a problem with busybox. |
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| 12:03.43 | vi__ | perhaps it is something to do with environmental variables. |
| 12:03.54 | vi__ | What does your script return? |
| 12:05.13 | pavi_ | sixwheeledbeast, edheldil vi__ I changed the SIM card with a new one , and I am yet to face the telephony issue . |
| 12:05.43 | vi__ | pavi_: you are lucky then! |
| 12:05.59 | vi__ | Involuntary CMT death is permanent. |
| 12:06.21 | pavi_ | vi__, but it was also random ... previously .. dunno whats going to happen now |
| 12:06.47 | vi__ | pavi_: treasure the last few months with your n900. |
| 12:08.10 | pavi_ | vi__, :) maybe , should I be looking on ebay for N9 .. ? |
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| 12:10.29 | vi__ | pavi_: you will also need a lobotamy. |
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| 12:17.29 | pavi_ | vi__, edheldil The issue has now repeated with the new sim after like 30 minutes :( |
| 12:18.15 | edheldil | :( |
| 12:18.23 | edheldil | time to get a new phone |
| 12:18.28 | Lava_Croft | http://mbeta.slashdot.org/ |
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| 12:19.39 | edheldil | I now use an old one I dug from the bottom of a drawer, and I am positively surprised that it goes more than a week without recharge, even on a several years old battery and bluetooth on |
| 12:20.23 | pavi_ | ohh a reboot is not working now :( |
| 12:21.06 | edheldil | well, it was fast in your case :( |
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| 12:29.47 | edheldil | pavi_: if you try reflash, tell me whether it worked |
| 12:30.14 | Hurrian | vi__, fortunately, after a few years, most people would prefer to use the N900 as a UMPC, and not as a phone anymore. |
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| 12:30.55 | Hurrian | still sucks that the chip gets loose/breaks/whatever, but for an aging device with numerous hardware faults, it's not surprising. |
| 12:30.57 | pavi_ | edheldil, yeah sure , thats what I am doing .. just a small hope :( after all its my most favourite device :( |
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| 12:33.45 | pavi_ | wishes he could afford N9 now :( |
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| 12:39.52 | Lava_Croft | get a used N9, like I did |
| 12:41.50 | edheldil | still would be too expensive for me, I am afraid |
| 12:42.11 | Lava_Croft | i paid 250e |
| 12:42.23 | Lava_Croft | which was easy after selling that wretched galaxy nexus, after 2 weeks of torture |
| 12:43.43 | edheldil | hmm n9 has 2 sims???? |
| 12:44.04 | edheldil | is doubtful |
| 12:48.09 | Lava_Croft | n9 is not dual sim |
| 12:48.39 | edheldil | I thought so .. so the first one is a chinese fake as I suspected :) |
| 12:52.18 | Lava_Croft | :D |
| 12:52.43 | Lava_Croft | you can leave out the 'chinese' part, since wether its real or fake, its still a healthy percentage chinese! :) |
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| 12:59.19 | edheldil | hehe. True |
| 13:00.32 | edheldil | but I meant that chinese (made for China/Sold from China) have often dual sims, unlike the european' ones |
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| 14:46.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, I LOVE this 'phone' |
| 14:47.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | had to swap battery since I was too silly to lock screen when putting it into pouch |
| 14:47.52 | kerio | which "phone"? |
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| 14:48.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | (15 ays uptime ?-/ ) |
| 14:48.21 | kerio | why didn't you charge it? |
| 14:48.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | on reboot hildon-desktop acted up |
| 14:48.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I got CSSU5 with my miniminifix |
| 14:49.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | so ctrl-shift-x, killall hildon-desktop. all fine again |
| 14:49.30 | kerio | ? |
| 14:49.47 | kerio | which minifix? |
| 14:49.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | CSSU-T |
| 14:49.51 | kerio | and why did hildon-desktop act up? |
| 14:50.01 | kerio | and why did you have to swap batteries? |
| 14:50.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | the 'don't reboot on hildon-desktop bork' |
| 14:50.28 | kerio | i don't have that one :c |
| 14:50.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | because screen on for 8h |
| 14:50.45 | kerio | so? charge it |
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| 14:50.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | no charger around |
| 14:51.10 | kerio | also my only battery survived about 4 hours of wifi monitor mode |
| 14:51.20 | kerio | i noticed because the phone became warm |
| 14:51.34 | kerio | ok, maybe two hours and a half |
| 14:51.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 14:51.57 | kerio | actually, i noticed because it fucked with my bt headphones |
| 14:52.08 | kerio | i had to restart bluetoothd and pulse to make them work afterwards |
| 14:52.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | eventually I should do a test and disable wjan-scan |
| 14:53.13 | kerio | oh right, i don't have automatic wlan anymore |
| 14:53.19 | kerio | because it screws with my bt headphones |
| 14:53.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 14:54.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | you got hidden APs configured? |
| 14:54.23 | kerio | no |
| 14:54.37 | ShadowJK | Whenever it scans, bt drops out |
| 14:54.46 | kerio | yep |
| 14:54.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I guess it's a problem only when WLAN active? |
| 14:55.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh |
| 14:55.28 | ShadowJK | But automatic wlan scan seems to fix up occurences of wlan consuming tons of power if you walk out of range of ap |
| 14:55.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | drop out means? |
| 14:55.39 | ShadowJK | The music skips |
| 14:56.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | how much? |
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| 14:56.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | I know 0.5s dropouts |
| 14:56.34 | ShadowJK | Like if you punched an old sony walkman cd player |
| 14:56.49 | ShadowJK | Yeah about that |
| 14:56.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 14:57.01 | kerio | yep, it's awful |
| 14:57.04 | kerio | so fuck that |
| 14:57.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | CSSU!!!!! BUG!!! |
| 14:57.26 | kerio | OH GOD I FORGOT TO ENABLE WLAN ON MY PHONE AND I'M LAYING DOWN |
| 14:57.30 | kerio | HALP |
| 14:57.42 | kerio | someone please come to my house and connect my n900 to the wifi |
| 14:57.44 | ShadowJK | I typically manually switch off wlan scan after I arrive at work (where I use bt headset/ad2p) |
| 14:57.56 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Too much work |
| 14:58.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | automate it |
| 14:58.16 | RST38h | Why not keep it on? Does not seem to interfere with bt too much |
| 14:58.35 | ShadowJK | I also check gsm-only mode, and sometimes also enable irc powersave and drop screen brightness a notch |
| 14:58.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | read backscroll! |
| 14:59.09 | ShadowJK | It interferes enough that entire words are lost when listening to speech |
| 14:59.25 | RST38h | Does not interfere here |
| 14:59.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl, job done for today :) |
| 14:59.40 | RST38h | Only makes a bit of a jump when itactually connects or disconnects fromap |
| 15:00.08 | ShadowJK | it jumps when it scans too for me |
| 15:00.48 | RST38h | sends the purple diarrhea beam towards Toshiba engineering team: how did they manage to make a keyboard where spacebar (!) does not work by design (!!) |
| 15:01.16 | RST38h | ShadowJK:Quiet and peaceful here, I wonder what the difference is |
| 15:01.52 | ShadowJK | on another topic, gpodder is giving me 403 on youtube :-/ |
| 15:02.18 | RST38h | youtube changed url format? |
| 15:03.00 | ShadowJK | dunno, old youtube-dl seems to still work |
| 15:03.27 | ShadowJK | "old" as in before time when gpodder stopped working |
| 15:09.56 | ShadowJK | hm, a new version in -devel :) |
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| 15:27.55 | ShadowJK | hm still no worky :/ |
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| 15:36.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: other BT A2DP codec with your HS? |
| 15:37.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | more buffer? |
| 15:37.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: has it delays when you start/stop music? |
| 15:39.10 | freemangordon | does anyone know how to strip binutils/gcc while building cross toolchain? not using crosstool-ng ;) |
| 15:39.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? |
| 15:39.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | is there no strip? |
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| 15:40.26 | freemangordon | there is, but there are lots of binaries. And I prefer to use configure/make switch if available |
| 15:40.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 15:42.36 | freemangordon | I build a new toolchain based on linaro gcc 4.7.2 2012.09, but it is huge :D |
| 15:42.40 | freemangordon | *built |
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| 15:51.35 | kerio | freemangordon: btw, why does extkbd change /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51? |
| 15:51.43 | kerio | and more importantly, why does it overwrite it? |
| 15:52.04 | freemangordon | by design ;) |
| 15:52.14 | kerio | it's a stupid design |
| 15:52.20 | kerio | it doesn't even backup it |
| 15:52.20 | freemangordon | make a better one |
| 15:52.28 | freemangordon | wrong |
| 15:52.31 | freemangordon | there is a backup |
| 15:52.39 | kerio | i don't know why, but my own rx-51 wasn't in the backup |
| 15:52.43 | kerio | i had to recover it from BM |
| 15:53.00 | freemangordon | kerio: noone knows what shape is your device in |
| 15:53.08 | freemangordon | even you |
| 15:53.16 | kerio | yep |
| 15:53.23 | kerio | that's why you should ASK THE USER >:c |
| 15:53.35 | kerio | anyway, now i'm missing some of the symbols on the bt kbd, right? |
| 15:54.18 | freemangordon | kerio: extkbd install newer version of xkb-data |
| 15:54.32 | freemangordon | that is why rx51 is overwritten, as it is upstreamed |
| 15:54.37 | kerio | oh, ok |
| 15:54.50 | kerio | hm, why doesn't it effectively upgrade xkb-data? |
| 15:54.57 | kerio | like, the package |
| 15:55.11 | freemangordon | because of extras |
| 15:55.21 | kerio | you don't have to put it in extras |
| 15:55.31 | kerio | ship the deb in /opt and install it |
| 15:55.32 | kerio | or something |
| 15:55.59 | kerio | i mean, right now you're shipping a tarball, it's about the same |
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| 15:56.37 | freemangordon | kerio: wan't to be a maintainer of extkbd? |
| 15:56.42 | freemangordon | *want |
| 15:56.48 | kerio | hm |
| 15:57.05 | kerio | i'd have to deal with the autobuilder |
| 15:57.08 | kerio | no ty ;) |
| 15:57.23 | kerio | hrmpf, "€" on the bt kbd doesn't work |
| 15:57.56 | kerio | i wonder if there's an actual layout for *this* bt kbd |
| 15:58.34 | freemangordon | there should be |
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| 15:58.46 | freemangordon | you mayu want to play with layout variants |
| 16:01.50 | kerio | freemangordon: no "stowaway" or "igo" :( |
| 16:02.23 | freemangordon | hmm, that is supported iirc |
| 16:02.43 | kerio | yeah, most of the keys work |
| 16:03.08 | kerio | like, pretty much every key works |
| 16:03.15 | kerio | but i'm using the pc105 layout |
| 16:03.21 | kerio | and it's not quite a pc105 |
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| 16:05.49 | kerio | meh, i'll live without the eur symbol and the yen symbol |
| 16:06.17 | freemangordon | there are several variants of pc105, check language and variant |
| 16:06.37 | freemangordon | i.e. play a bit with them, maybe choose UK instead of US |
| 16:07.31 | kerio | are you kidding? UK is totally different |
| 16:07.37 | kerio | # is on a separate key, for instance |
| 16:08.09 | freemangordon | kerio: well, you have a plenty of keyboard variants, try them |
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| 16:08.46 | freemangordon | you have about 10 different layouts for USA pc105 |
| 16:09.49 | kerio | hm, the standard pc105 is the one that appears to work best |
| 16:10.07 | kerio | anyway, extkbd is really neat |
| 16:10.20 | kerio | A+++ would kbd again |
| 16:11.07 | freemangordon | kerio, which varian do you use? |
| 16:11.26 | kerio | pc105 usa standard |
| 16:11.32 | freemangordon | change to intl |
| 16:11.47 | freemangordon | there is no standard |
| 16:12.24 | kerio | all intl does is fuck up my ' and require me to type something after ~, ' and ` |
| 16:12.29 | kerio | because it does automatic accent combination |
| 16:12.38 | kerio | i meant variant None |
| 16:13.26 | kerio | hehe, i wonder how many keys i can push at the same time |
| 16:13.30 | kerio | i should try MAME with this kbd |
| 16:14.24 | kerio | freemangordon: were there any changes to rx-51, btw? |
| 16:14.36 | freemangordon | iirc no |
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| 16:19.12 | kerio | freemangordon: ooh, neat, you do install xkb-data-extkbd |
| 16:19.16 | kerio | which somehow overwrites xkb-data |
| 16:20.12 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 16:24.56 | kerio | sorry for doubting you <3 |
| 16:25.13 | kerio | can extkbd also configure usb keyboards? |
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| 16:25.30 | freemangordon | yes |
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| 16:26.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how much current can you "legally" get via usb without negotiating or checking for fastchargers? |
| 16:26.53 | kerio | and how much current can you pull from something that identifies as a charger? |
| 16:27.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 100 |
| 16:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually |
| 16:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter undefined |
| 16:27.28 | kerio | without negotiating? :o |
| 16:27.30 | kerio | i thought it was like 10 |
| 16:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, 100 |
| 16:27.45 | kerio | like, just to power the tiny circuit that negotiates |
| 16:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 8 for OTG |
| 16:28.06 | kerio | OTG on which side? |
| 16:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the A side obviously |
| 16:28.22 | kerio | i see |
| 16:28.49 | kerio | well, it's still silly |
| 16:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 16:29.27 | kerio | well, because devices know they can ask for 100 and get it granted |
| 16:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | not if session suspended |
| 16:29.44 | kerio | except that sometimes they don't |
| 16:30.26 | kerio | meh, too weird for me :s |
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| 16:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: well, you asked "without negotiation", so my answer regarding OTG was incorrect, since the session can suspend only by very special OTG negotiation, and initially I guess any OTG A device is suppoed to also deliver the 100 I quoted before |
| 16:44.16 | kerio | i see |
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| 16:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | OTG has a whitelist and a blacklist for defining which devices can work with the 150, 200, $whatever, that the OTG A Vbus can deliver |
| 16:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | We had to neuter that for h-e-n |
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| 16:46.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | OTG is actually extremely screwed |
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| 16:47.16 | kerio | what do you mean which devices? |
| 16:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. hubs usually don't work with OTG at all |
| 16:48.10 | kerio | hehe, to think that a hub is the only way you can get reliable auto-enumeration and power on the n900... |
| 16:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there are also devices blacklisted since they pull more than they negotiate |
| 16:49.11 | kerio | are we talking about classes of devices? |
| 16:49.16 | kerio | or actual device/model pairs? |
| 16:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | latter |
| 16:49.29 | kerio | what the fuck |
| 16:49.32 | kerio | in the standard itself? :s |
| 16:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | per model+driver |
| 16:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think the list is nowhere standarized, it's per manuf/model |
| 16:51.09 | kerio | that's even worse! |
| 16:51.10 | kerio | :S |
| 16:51.37 | kerio | why do you keep telling me these things? |
| 16:51.41 | kerio | and why do i keep asking? |
| 16:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | musb_hdrc: USB Host mode controller at ffc03800 using PIO, IRQ 59 >http://blackfin.uclinux.org/gf/project/uclinux-dist/forum/?_forum_action=ForumMessageBrowse&thread_id=38739&action=ForumBrowse |
| 16:52.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 16:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | musb_hdrc: kernel must blacklist external hubs |
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| 16:54.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commit;h=0a5777e676acb4eff0c02762edc5dcde98482702 |
| 16:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Patch with which i had a limited success (my device was rejected during enumeration because i didn't have the whitelist disabled, but the VID/PID was properly read).<< |
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| 17:06.21 | kerio | freemangordon: the enter key doesn't repeat itself |
| 17:06.26 | kerio | how can i see if it's a problem of the keyboard? |
| 17:09.35 | kerio | heh, this kbd is silly |
| 17:09.39 | kerio | shift+up is mapped to ? |
| 17:09.44 | kerio | so i can't select going up |
| 17:09.45 | kerio | only going down |
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| 17:42.53 | pavi | My telephony error wasnt fixed by flashing |
| 17:43.17 | pavi | but by keeping a paper cusion between battery :O |
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| 17:45.05 | SpeedEvil | that may well only be a very temporary fix |
| 17:45.28 | kerio | to be fair it shows that the SIM has a flaky connection |
| 17:47.22 | SpeedEvil | no, it doesn't |
| 17:47.33 | SpeedEvil | it shows that something does. |
| 17:48.04 | kerio | k |
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| 17:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which usually is NOT the sim |
| 18:00.39 | kerio | reflow all the solderings! _ò/ |
| 18:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if 'SIM' error might get caused by pressing kbd too hard, thus breaking solder points under BGA chips by bending PCB |
| 18:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems pressing hard on "TYO" keys should kill GAIA instantly |
| 18:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | while "A" kills eMMC |
| 18:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | modem chips OTOH are not on backside of any kbd key |
| 18:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | "U" and "; <up>" are opposite side of SIM-holder solder points |
| 18:09.12 | ShadowJK | hjk was most effective for reproducing crossed-out-sim |
| 18:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | "J" is actually opposite side of SIM colder points |
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| 18:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost |
| 18:11.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | "U" is |
| 18:11.47 | ShadowJK | on the last csualty it doesnt matter, because it's always deadmodem, and simless emergency call doesnt work either |
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| 19:00.16 | kerio | ~seen pali |
| 19:00.25 | infobot | pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 2h 27m 50s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer51, see ^^^'. |
| 19:00.31 | kerio | zomg |
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| 19:03.57 | kerio | deepy: how's it going? |
| 19:04.58 | deepy | I keep forgetting to bring it to work |
| 19:06.04 | kerio | D: |
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| 19:39.03 | vi__ | how do I stop extkb from hosing my KB geometry? |
| 19:39.21 | freemangordon | vi__: what is wrong with it? |
| 19:40.07 | freemangordon | BTW which KBD? external or internal |
| 19:42.08 | vi__ | external BTKB |
| 19:42.13 | vi__ | BT KB |
| 19:42.24 | freemangordon | and what is incorrect? |
| 19:42.30 | vi__ | using SPP profile instead of hid. |
| 19:42.44 | freemangordon | aaah |
| 19:42.57 | vi__ | aaah? |
| 19:43.08 | freemangordon | not supported by extkbd (iirc) |
| 19:43.18 | freemangordon | and you should disable hid BT plugin |
| 19:43.24 | vi__ | It kind of worls. |
| 19:43.29 | vi__ | It kind of worKs. |
| 19:43.33 | freemangordon | or even better -remove extkbd |
| 19:43.39 | freemangordon | kind of? |
| 19:43.55 | vi__ | you can set a shortcut to change keymaps |
| 19:44.06 | freemangordon | but? |
| 19:44.07 | vi__ | it works on the external kb |
| 19:45.30 | kerio | infobot: k |
| 19:45.30 | infobot | k is probably okay |
| 19:45.32 | kerio | vi__: ohai |
| 19:45.49 | kerio | vi__: extkbd hoses your /usr/share/X11/xkb/ |
| 19:45.55 | kerio | and installs the new upstream version |
| 19:46.02 | kerio | so you have to restore any modification you made to rx-51 |
| 19:46.03 | vi__ | sorry, I was just connecting the KB. |
| 19:46.12 | kerio | i think kbdd can be configured to use a different layout, can't it? |
| 19:46.16 | vi__ | kerio: I found this out. |
| 19:46.20 | kerio | and SPP KBDs suck lol |
| 19:46.29 | vi__ | they certainly do |
| 19:46.52 | vi__ | Is there someway I can add my rx-51 to extkb? |
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| 19:47.27 | freemangordon | well, remove extkbd and xkb-data-exkbd (that will restore your xkb data) |
| 19:47.37 | kerio | if you have the backup still there |
| 19:47.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | beats kerio with a pali doll |
| 19:47.39 | kerio | otherwise, LOL |
| 19:47.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: wtf do you want |
| 19:47.56 | vi__ | sometimes when I non-gracefully disconnect my keyboard (go out of range, cut the power etc) my n900 KB becomes completely fucked. |
| 19:48.00 | kerio | also i want my pali |
| 19:48.00 | freemangordon | copy your rx51 to a safe place, install extkbd and copy rx51 back |
| 19:48.19 | freemangordon | vi__: i am not sure it is extkbd to blame |
| 19:48.49 | vi__ | After learning the hardway I have several backups of rx-51. |
| 19:48.55 | freemangordon | actually it is just an UI which sets some HAL script and assigns xkb layout to your external keyboard there |
| 19:49.23 | freemangordon | the one that does the real job is hal/X |
| 19:49.31 | freemangordon | using xkb-data |
| 19:49.33 | vi__ | freemangordon: can it completely fuck up the n900 kb geometry at all? |
| 19:49.45 | freemangordon | don;t think so |
| 19:50.10 | vi__ | to the point where the n900 keyboard is just spamming agrbage and needs rebooted to fix it? |
| 19:50.22 | freemangordon | where did you get kbdd? |
| 19:50.27 | freemangordon | from |
| 19:50.36 | vi__ | it is in the repos. |
| 19:50.48 | vi__ | it is totally broken. |
| 19:51.05 | vi__ | the kbdd binary works though |
| 19:51.12 | freemangordon | vi__: are you sure you don't have some bt-hid-scripts installed? |
| 19:51.36 | vi__ | ...I dont think so. |
| 19:51.51 | vi__ | only extkb |
| 19:52.29 | vi__ | one thing that pisses me off is bluetoothd |
| 19:52.46 | freemangordon | vi__: NFC, but as I told you, all the job is done in a pretty standard way, extkbd is an updated (and full) xkb-data+UI |
| 19:53.00 | esaym153 | what is a good music player for n810? |
| 19:53.04 | vi__ | if you switch bt off then on again, it does not re-bind as per rfcomm.conf. |
| 19:53.05 | freemangordon | xkb-data comes from...lemme think,, maybe debian lenny |
| 19:53.09 | esaym153 | the default one is kind of quirky |
| 19:53.32 | vi__ | esaym153: mplayer! |
| 19:53.41 | kerio | is there a way to make the haptic feedback stronger? |
| 19:53.57 | esaym153 | vi__: well I want one that can show my whole library |
| 19:54.16 | vi__ | kerio: replacec vibe motor with a solenoid. |
| 19:54.23 | kerio | LOL |
| 19:54.26 | kerio | no |
| 19:54.30 | freemangordon | vi__: it was too long ago, i can;t recall all of the details |
| 19:54.42 | vi__ | freemangordon: thats ok. |
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| 19:55.08 | freemangordon | but in general SPP keyboards are never meant to be supported by extkbd |
| 19:55.13 | freemangordon | only HID |
| 19:55.19 | vi__ | freemangordon: what is brewing in the thumb branch? |
| 19:55.37 | freemangordon | I even wonder how you are able to setup a layout via extkbd UI |
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| 19:55.59 | freemangordon | vi__: pulseaudio, gstreamer and... te fuck |
| 19:56.08 | freemangordon | kerio: what was the third one? |
| 19:56.19 | vi__ | freemangordon: once the kb is attached i doubt it matters if it is hid or spp. |
| 19:56.37 | freemangordon | vi__: it matters, as UI enumerates HD devices |
| 19:56.39 | kerio | freemangordon: idk, tracker? |
| 19:56.44 | freemangordon | aah, yes |
| 19:56.59 | freemangordon | vi__: HID devices even |
| 19:57.12 | vi__ | freemangordon: maybe show open media player some thumb lovin'? |
| 19:57.34 | freemangordon | vi__: well, toolchain and setup procedure are on the wiki |
| 19:57.42 | vi__ | heh |
| 19:57.55 | vi__ | My n900 is my only pc right now. |
| 19:58.03 | freemangordon | and it will be much better to use my time on mafw than on the UI ;) |
| 19:58.06 | vi__ | my laptop bit the dust. |
| 19:58.23 | vi__ | freemangordon: tru |
| 19:58.40 | freemangordon | is afk for a cigarette |
| 19:59.25 | vi__ | kerio, hurry up and set up the toolchain so you can compile trivial stuff for amusement. |
| 19:59.30 | kerio | no u |
| 19:59.34 | vi__ | no u |
| 19:59.36 | kerio | anyway, i made the haptic feedback stronger |
| 19:59.42 | kerio | and LOL, it's really stronger |
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| 19:59.47 | vi__ | solenoid/? |
| 19:59.54 | kerio | no, /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 20:00.04 | vi__ | ? |
| 20:00.12 | vi__ | what did you change? |
| 20:00.13 | kerio | PatternTouchscreen |
| 20:00.23 | vi__ | of course |
| 20:00.39 | kerio | instead of 23 accel, 0 on, 15 decel, i made it 0 accel, 40 on, 0 decel |
| 20:00.51 | vi__ | bzz |
| 20:00.53 | vi__ | bzzzzz |
| 20:00.54 | vi__ | bz |
| 20:00.55 | kerio | yep |
| 20:01.15 | vi__ | pointless waste of battery. |
| 20:01.49 | vi__ | have you managed to tame xterm yet? |
| 20:02.15 | vi__ | i.e. change font size? |
| 20:02.20 | kerio | to make it 80x24? n |
| 20:02.21 | kerio | no |
| 20:02.29 | vi__ | also how the f does hostmode work now? |
| 20:03.05 | vi__ | do I STILL HAVE TO USE H>E>N>? |
| 20:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF IS WRONG WITH H>E>N? |
| 20:04.05 | Sicelo | still uses it.. the new stuff doesn't work so well for me |
| 20:04.28 | vi__ | nothing is wrong with it, i am just aware a bunch of sruff was changed. |
| 20:04.30 | kerio | yeah, h-e-n is still somewhat advised |
| 20:05.15 | vi__ | so just use hen like before, dont worry about evertything |
| 20:05.37 | kerio | KP52 should work better |
| 20:05.43 | kerio | (not released yet) |
| 20:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd maybe worry about KP51nnn |
| 20:07.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how big of a battery drain is the vibrator? |
| 20:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | considerably |
| 20:07.21 | kerio | D: |
| 20:07.27 | kerio | so should i disable the haptic feedback? |
| 20:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | only on DutyCycle=100 |
| 20:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 20:07.55 | kerio | i made it a bit stronger, but shorter now |
| 20:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | negligible anyway |
| 20:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you don't do echo 255 >/sys/*/*/*/LED/vibrator |
| 20:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather echo 255 >/sys/*/*/*/LED/vibrator/brightness |
| 20:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | (SIC!) |
| 20:09.24 | kerio | k |
| 20:10.18 | vi__ | sa |
| 20:11.00 | vi__ | I have just attached an external mouse |
| 20:11.03 | vi__ | MIND |
| 20:11.05 | vi__ | BLOWN |
| 20:11.12 | vi__ | I can click on stuff. |
| 20:11.15 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 20:11.16 | kerio | :O |
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| 20:12.06 | freemangordon | vi__: trow away that SPP keyboard and find some HID, it will make all the difference |
| 20:12.35 | vi__ | there were legends of villages in the next valley who had the power of ctrl+right click. THE STORIES ARE REAL. |
| 20:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness |
| 20:12.47 | kerio | what does ctrl+right click do? |
| 20:12.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you suck! |
| 20:13.02 | vi__ | it lets you access the font menu in xterm. |
| 20:13.10 | vi__ | ... |
| 20:13.12 | kerio | anyway, i like this stronger-but-shorter pattern |
| 20:13.13 | freemangordon | btw I am using apple alluminium (short version) works like charm |
| 20:13.19 | kerio | vi__: oh, the actual xterm |
| 20:13.21 | kerio | i see |
| 20:13.30 | vi__ | it still does nothing. |
| 20:13.39 | kerio | freemangordon: i'm using a STOWAWAY |
| 20:13.40 | vi__ | freemangordon: it was free... |
| 20:13.42 | kerio | it is the shit |
| 20:13.45 | vi__ | ...and i am cheap. |
| 20:13.45 | kerio | it folds in half |
| 20:13.55 | kerio | and has a stand for the phone |
| 20:14.02 | vi__ | so does this one, bitch. |
| 20:14.24 | freemangordon | hmm, don;t you have TV sets around? |
| 20:15.13 | vi__ | it even has a bluue function key, THAT BEHVES LIKE THE BLUE KEY ON THE N900 KEYBOARD!!1! |
| 20:15.22 | vi__ | ...i have no tv. |
| 20:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | throws while true; do echo 255 >/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness; sleep 2; echo 50 >/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness; sleep 1; done at kerio |
| 20:15.45 | kerio | vi__: why the hell would i want a key to act like the blue key on the n900 keyboard |
| 20:16.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i don't need an actual vibrator, dude |
| 20:16.11 | kerio | besides, the n900 isn't exactly ergonomic |
| 20:16.31 | vi__ | kerio: dude, it doesnt go in ur ass. |
| 20:16.31 | freemangordon | kerio: compared to n950 it is |
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| 20:16.51 | kerio | vi__: right, it's a "massager" |
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| 20:18.05 | vi__ | brb, clicking on stuff |
| 20:19.31 | kerio | haha |
| 20:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: anyway ~120mA at 100% |
| 20:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | off battery |
| 20:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | @3923mV |
| 20:20.42 | vi__ | that is as powerfull as a shit led flashlight. |
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| 20:20.56 | kerio | except that it provides sexual pleasure instead of light |
| 20:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and as negligible as the indicator light flashing |
| 20:21.32 | kerio | freemangordon: i'm not getting anything in Settings after installing extmou |
| 20:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~power |
| 20:21.40 | infobot | power is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 20:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? this looks like a digest |
| 20:23.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, never been longer than today |
| 20:23.20 | vi__ | kerio: there is nothing to show |
| 20:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4,462 bytes |
| 20:23.38 | kerio | vi__: but then how will i configure mouse sensitivity? D: |
| 20:23.42 | freemangordon | kerio: and what do you want to set up? |
| 20:23.49 | freemangordon | no way |
| 20:23.50 | kerio | freemangordon: ^ |
| 20:23.52 | kerio | ya way |
| 20:24.05 | kerio | gotta set up my mouse correctly if i want to own noobs in quake |
| 20:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and MEH, vibrator already been there |
| 20:24.18 | kerio | or something |
| 20:24.22 | freemangordon | kerio: well, edit hal script |
| 20:24.39 | kerio | will most definetely not own noobs in quake from his n900 |
| 20:24.50 | kerio | because quake 3 is ballzy hard |
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| 20:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, it's "always" been there: Idle, no SIM, wlan off 7 mA@4.1 V T // Wifi on with maximum powersaving. +~2 mA // = 9mA idling on internet via WLAN. Makes for 140h standby |
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| 20:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, it's "always" been there: Idle, no SIM, wlan off 7 mA@4.1 V T // 2G connected, good signal, no data or other activity +5 mA // do your math |
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| 20:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | council: will nomination period be extended now, and council election postponed? |
| 20:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or will we all get eaten by the galactic goat? |
| 20:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (in the latter case, let me run to desinfect my phone handset before that happens) |
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| 20:58.10 | vi__ | did anyone manage to get one of those usb vga cables to work? |
| 21:00.09 | kerio | freemangordon: i can't get a cursor to appear when i open a menubar menu |
| 21:00.23 | deepy | kerio: I can't even bring it to work tomorrow D: |
| 21:00.26 | deepy | or on wednesday |
| 21:01.13 | deepy | very senior people coming in and I suppose it's not very professional to watch movies at work |
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| 21:02.07 | vi__ | kerio: extmou? |
| 21:03.13 | kerio | yep |
| 21:03.16 | kerio | it works nicely |
| 21:03.21 | kerio | although microb doesn't like my mouse pointer |
| 21:03.31 | kerio | and i get the vibrator for all mouse events |
| 21:03.44 | kerio | so there's a noticeable "bzzzzzzzzzz" when i scroll up or down |
| 21:04.03 | kerio | oh come on, why is BME so dumb |
| 21:04.12 | kerio | bq27200 says the battery is at 45% |
| 21:04.17 | kerio | but the battery indicator is almost empty |
| 21:04.29 | vi__ | bme blows and you know that. |
| 21:04.43 | vi__ | scroll wheel is treated as a button event. |
| 21:05.07 | vi__ | what do you mean microb does not like it? |
| 21:05.13 | vi__ | WFM. |
| 21:06.02 | kerio | i mean that i can't seem to do anything with web pages |
| 21:06.25 | vi__ | click on stuff? |
| 21:07.00 | kerio | yeah, that |
| 21:07.01 | kerio | it doesn't work |
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| 21:08.30 | vi__ | come to think of it, I did not try that... |
| 21:08.49 | kerio | haha |
| 21:10.04 | vi__ | I tried right clicking. |
| 21:10.12 | vi__ | you want I try again? |
| 21:10.19 | kerio | no |
| 21:10.22 | kerio | i don't really care |
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| 21:54.14 | narcos | I can't seem to get this syntax right: |
| 21:54.36 | narcos | works --> osso-xterm -e "tail -f log.txt | cut -f 4,5" |
| 21:55.02 | narcos | not --> osso-xterm -e "tail -f log.txt | cut -d ',' -f 4,5" |
| 21:55.13 | narcos | cut -d \",\" neither |
| 21:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, weird |
| 21:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | try cut -d \, -f 4,5 |
| 21:56.22 | narcos | DocScrutinizer05: Nope :( |
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| 21:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | try osso-xterm -e "echo tail -f log.txt | cut -d ',' -f 4,5" |
| 21:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | try osso-xterm -e "echo \"tail -f log.txt | cut -d ',' -f 4,5\"" |
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| 21:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | check if "." is really what you want |
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| 21:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | err "." |
| 21:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq ,,,,, |
| 21:58.00 | narcos | Nope |
| 21:58.12 | narcos | Pardon? :) |
| 21:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | run echo tail -f log.txt | cut -d ',' -f 4,5 in an already opened shell |
| 21:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | -echo |
| 22:00.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | try delim=, osso-xterm -e "tail -f log.txt | cut -d $delim -f 4,5" |
| 22:02.19 | narcos | Nope doesn't work either |
| 22:02.50 | narcos | But yes "," is the correct delimiter if that's what you were asking? I can run the command from within a shell |
| 22:02.57 | narcos | Weird |
| 22:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw what's the use of all that exercise? |
| 22:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can run osso-xterm -e date all day long, without any idea why I'm doing that |
| 22:04.27 | narcos | I've got an app that collects data, and writes it to file in .csv. The purpose of this is for the user to see some output of what's going on in the background |
| 22:04.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 22:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, I see, tail -f |
| 22:05.21 | narcos | I could just output the whole line, but there's all kinds of superfluous data. Well, for the user anyway. |
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| 22:10.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: are you sure you're right user in your osso-xterm for reading from log.txt |
| 22:11.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure there's even such a thing like ./log.txt ? |
| 22:11.45 | narcos | DocScrutinizer05: If I don't include the "-d" parameter it works |
| 22:11.50 | narcos | Outputing the whole line |
| 22:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
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| 22:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | If I had any log.txt I'd try to reproduce that problem here, but obviously in my ~user there isn't any |
| 22:13.20 | narcos | echo a,b,c,d,e,f > log.txt |
| 22:14.05 | narcos | Oh, also, perhaps I didn't properly explain what's "not working". The term doesn't open - it flashes open and then closes instantly. |
| 22:14.11 | narcos | Like it does when there's a syntax error |
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| 22:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, same here |
| 22:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# osso-xterm -e "sleep 10" <-works |
| 22:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# osso-xterm -e "date && sleep 10" <-closes immediately |
| 22:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, now I know... ;-P |
| 22:17.34 | narcos | heh |
| 22:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# osso-xterm -e "sh -c 'date && sleep 10'" |
| 22:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | works |
| 22:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | xterm is no shell |
| 22:19.17 | narcos | Ah, interesting |
| 22:19.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | xterm is a terminal, you pass a single executable as parameter, not a shell cmdline |
| 22:19.43 | narcos | I was pondering writing a one line script with the tail commands, and calling that from xterm |
| 22:19.49 | narcos | ah ok |
| 22:20.19 | narcos | Hmm, that 'date' command outputs worrying data |
| 22:20.26 | narcos | (didn't realise it was so late already) |
| 22:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
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| 22:25.30 | narcos | Bash scripting gives me a headache. |
| 22:25.35 | narcos | Next iteration, all Python. |
| 22:25.48 | SpeedEvil | they sendmail.cf |
| 22:25.51 | SpeedEvil | try |
| 22:28.16 | narcos | BTW, I was asking earlier how a script could determine it's location on a Maemo device - this seems to work -> DIR=$(cd $(dirname "$0"); pwd) |
| 22:28.41 | narcos | (works regardless of where the script is called from, eg from a Desktop launcher) |
| 22:30.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with DIR=$(dirname "$0") ? |
| 22:30.46 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 22:32.05 | narcos | I want the full path |
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| 22:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | i c |
| 22:35.19 | narcos | For the purpose of "source ./config" |
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| 22:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | try readlink -f |
| 22:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dirname $(readlink -f $0) |
| 22:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: ^^^ |
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| 22:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: on maemo messybox there's even realpath . |
| 22:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is the same like readlink -f . |
| 23:02.40 | narcos | DocScrutinizer05: Ahh, nice |
| 23:02.42 | narcos | Thanks! |
| 23:17.54 | narcos | Hmm, can't set +x to files on the MMC |
| 23:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise |
| 23:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such think like +x bit in VFAT file permissions |
| 23:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | thing* |
| 23:19.48 | narcos | Didn't know that |
| 23:20.08 | narcos | Guess that makes sense though. |
| 23:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should be able to start arbitrary binaries via `/lib/ld.so <binary>` |
| 23:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 23:23.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or /lib/ld-linux.so* |
| 23:24.31 | narcos | ah ok |
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| 23:38.27 | narcos | Meh, solar flares. |