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| 04:52.15 | gerryde | http://xwetx.com//videos/3/sara-jean-underwood-playboy%27s-yoga-full-video |
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| 05:48.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, your approach kinda sucks |
| 05:48.59 | kerio | gainroot is supposed to be called passwordlessly |
| 05:49.06 | kerio | because it checks rd-mode |
| 05:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.26 | kerio | rootsh changes that |
| 05:50.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo checks R&D mode, not gainroot |
| 05:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, scratch that |
| 05:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, how's that relevant? |
| 05:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | if anything sucks, then it's your pointless criticism |
| 05:54.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: how did rx_battery go? sorry I felt asleep yesterday. |
| 05:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | rx_battery? |
| 05:54.56 | freemangordon | the temperature thingie |
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| 05:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali's new LUT code? |
| 05:55.19 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 05:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's mostly ok, we weeded out some dead cruft code, the rest schould be fine |
| 05:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still wondering if that thing indeed has to deliver centigrade (1/100 °C) |
| 05:57.14 | freemangordon | hmm, i looked at the code, seems ok to me (from the LUT size POV) |
| 05:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually you use milli-UNIT |
| 05:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or micro-UNIT (uA) |
| 05:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | (mV) |
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| 05:58.46 | freemangordon | well, AFAIK minor unit for deg celsius is 0.01 |
| 05:58.54 | freemangordon | AFAIK |
| 05:59.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a better way to allow passworded root access would be to add user ALL = (ALL) ALL |
| 06:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: read backscroll and stop pestering me! I'm afk now anyway |
| 06:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | pointless criticism |
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| 10:36.01 | Lantizia | With Tizen and Jolla/Mer being RPM based - what (still developed) mobile OS's exist out there other than Maemo that uses debian package management? |
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| 10:40.57 | M4rtinK | Lantizia: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:41.23 | M4rtinK | they are based on Debian & use debian packages |
| 10:41.53 | Lantizia | hmm but the device they develop for is dead |
| 10:42.08 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 10:43.02 | Lantizia | see my N900 is getting on a bit... I've been thinking of getting an Atom/Medfield based Android phone |
| 10:43.28 | Lantizia | at least then if Ubuntu/Fedora/whomever come out with some kind of mobile-ui-centric interface i can put any old x86 OS on it |
| 10:43.41 | Lantizia | (possibly in the future) |
| 10:44.24 | M4rtinK | they also support the GTA04 |
| 10:44.45 | M4rtinK | which is also open hardware & has specs similar to the N900 :) |
| 10:45.10 | Luke-Jr | o rly? |
| 10:45.13 | Luke-Jr | keyboard? |
| 10:45.17 | M4rtinK | but yeah, its quite a niche device & horrendously expensive :) |
| 10:45.28 | M4rtinK | not by default |
| 10:45.45 | M4rtinK | but you can probably easily slap one on it |
| 10:45.58 | M4rtinK | you can even order just the board :D |
| 10:46.19 | Luke-Jr | no kb = crap |
| 10:46.26 | Lantizia | i agree |
| 10:46.41 | Luke-Jr | GTA04 site false advertises :< |
| 10:46.52 | Luke-Jr | "No locks by undocumented hardware." "3D Graphics Accelerator and DSP" |
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| 10:51.01 | Lantizia | MerMeeMaemoGoTizen!? |
| 10:51.25 | SpeedEvil | limo |
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| 11:00.51 | Hurrian | whoa, people are buying the GTA04? |
| 11:01.02 | Hurrian | that's a mighty price to pay for freedom. |
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| 11:04.08 | jacekowski | and modem firmware is closed anyways |
| 11:04.26 | jacekowski | and it's 2g only iirc |
| 11:04.42 | flux | claims it's UMTS |
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| 11:06.08 | flux | it doesn't seem -that- sucky |
| 11:06.15 | flux | but I'll probably wait for what Jolla has :) |
| 11:07.09 | flux | oh, I misread the price, it seems it's a 'choose the parts for your kit first' |
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| 11:16.24 | Hurrian | flux, iirc it's GBP 666 for the board |
| 11:16.38 | flux | oh it was GBP :) |
| 11:16.51 | flux | nope, it's EUR 666 |
| 11:16.51 | Hurrian | meh, I'd rather spend the cash on a USB-reinforced N900. |
| 11:17.02 | Hurrian | actually, make that a few N900s. |
| 11:17.21 | flux | +70 EUR for LCD, +20 for battery, +XX for case unless you make one yourself |
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| 11:17.34 | flux | hurrian, I guess you can do that now on ebay :) |
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| 11:18.24 | Hurrian | I mean, tbh, we have ofono running on our devices, a hardware keyboard, and a decent (ex) officially supported OS |
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| 11:20.22 | Hurrian | flux: if Jolla's got an open bootloader and GNU/Linux at a reasonable price, I'm set. |
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| 11:22.21 | flux | hurrian, what would be reasonable price for you? |
| 11:22.49 | Hurrian | high spec phone a la SGS3: US$600-700 |
| 11:23.05 | flux | I would be surprised if we got a hardware-keyboard Jolla with much less than 650 EUR non-subsidized |
| 11:23.06 | Hurrian | mid spec phone a la N9: US$400-500 |
| 11:23.33 | flux | but I suppose the market prices are different here in Finland.. |
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| 11:51.26 | Lava_Croft | mumbles something about wanting a GNU userland and faster hardware, while not really giving a damn about the rest |
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| 11:54.19 | deepy | Why would you want a GNU userland? |
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| 12:21.22 | dafox | so, does anyone have a media server (DLNA) setup working with his n900? For me browsing (e.g. for music) works, but it fails when the media player tries to actually open the file for playback ("Unable to find media file"). Any ideas? The server works fine with both foobar-upnp and vlc's upnp browser |
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| 12:30.00 | Hurrian | dafox, PS3 media server with custom profile for N900 |
| 12:30.15 | Hurrian | also works with the default windows UPnP server |
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| 12:30.28 | dafox | Hurrian: cool. Did you have to do anything with you n900 before it worked? |
| 12:30.39 | Hurrian | dafox, nothing at all. |
| 12:30.44 | dafox | Are you using cssu? |
| 12:31.22 | dafox | The default windows upnp server == windows media player? |
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| 12:35.57 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, Hi, see: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/rx51_battery/commit/8a66270fd2460bbc816f5cf997691a5d5f10fee8 |
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| 12:45.06 | grammoboy | how can I check if my n900 has the latest maemo version? |
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| 12:52.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | grammoboy: settings->about |
| 12:53.04 | grammoboy | DocScrutinizer05, 21.2011.38-1 |
| 12:53.54 | grammoboy | DocScrutinizer51, ^ is that the latest? |
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| 12:58.27 | grammoboy | it looks like it is |
| 12:58.38 | grammoboy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Updating |
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| 13:32.13 | bigmeow | lol |
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| 13:59.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashing |
| 13:59.31 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 14:12.24 | grammoboy | it is the latest version right? |
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| 14:53.20 | grammoboy | oh that app manager is awful sloooowwwwwwwww |
| 14:55.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | HAM is slow, esp when you have extras-testing and extras-devel repos enabled |
| 14:56.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | but at least all pkgs are tested to work for isntallation under HAM |
| 14:57.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | while other app managers may (and will) occasionally fail on certain packages, which can render your system in an unadmirable state |
| 14:58.27 | grammoboy | any good youtube app? |
| 14:58.42 | Skry | cutetube qml |
| 14:59.42 | grammoboy | gps + osm? |
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| 15:02.14 | grammoboy | hm the search function of cutetube seems to suck |
| 15:03.38 | grammoboy | I search on 'mercy mercy mercy' |
| 15:03.44 | grammoboy | get whole different results |
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| 15:06.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo-mapper, one google search away |
| 15:07.08 | grammoboy | ah order by relevance |
| 15:07.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | search:maemo openstreetmap |
| 15:07.28 | grammoboy | google doesn't tell me which is best |
| 15:07.31 | grammoboy | thanx |
| 15:08.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | if I can search on my N900, you can do as well |
| 15:08.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk |
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| 15:23.23 | dafox | Hurrian: The default windows upnp server == windows media player? |
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| 15:50.18 | zoub | hello |
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| 16:31.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | *yawn* |
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| 17:34.47 | grammoboy | hmm now I have a bash script in /usr/bin and the n900 user can't execute |
| 17:34.48 | grammoboy | it |
| 17:35.00 | beford | chmod +x? |
| 17:35.08 | beford | the shebang is correct? |
| 17:35.36 | grammoboy | script is 0play |
| 17:35.40 | beford | I think n900 doesn't use "bash" by default |
| 17:35.45 | grammoboy | 0play not found |
| 17:35.49 | grammoboy | ah |
| 17:41.13 | grammoboy | that works |
| 17:41.49 | beford | what worked |
| 17:42.04 | grammoboy | changing it from sh to bash |
| 17:42.18 | grammoboy | http://dabase.com/blog/n900_developer_tips/ |
| 17:42.23 | grammoboy | and then run the script |
| 17:42.58 | beford | ah |
| 17:42.58 | beford | good |
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| 18:02.54 | kerio | heh, my n900 barely survived a day of light usage |
| 18:03.05 | kerio | because i forgot it in monitor mode for like 4 hours |
| 18:03.08 | kerio | :s |
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| 18:05.33 | vi__ | So the chilli thief at work finally revealed himself. |
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| 18:06.10 | vi__ | I left some daves insanity sauce in a cholula bottle in the fridge. |
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| 18:06.41 | vi__ | a sauce so hot it is banned from the international hot sauce convention. |
| 18:06.58 | vi__ | It was the company CEO all along. |
| 18:07.07 | vi__ | oopz. |
| 18:13.12 | RiD | vi__ .... lol |
| 18:14.46 | kerio | vi__: so? |
| 18:16.22 | kerio | anyway, wifi monitor mode absolutely wrecks bluetooth connections |
| 18:17.09 | vi__ | So I had to leave the canteen before I had to prove that was my normal chilli sauce that I like to eat. |
| 18:17.29 | vi__ | The last I looked he was bright red. |
| 18:18.12 | vi__ | kerio: You are aware the bluetooth chip and wifi chip are one and the same? |
| 18:18.35 | vi__ | it is why you will never see themboth at the same party at the same time. |
| 18:18.36 | kerio | ...they're not, they just share the same antenna |
| 18:18.37 | kerio | or something |
| 18:18.57 | vi__ | or am I thinking of the FM chip... |
| 18:18.58 | kerio | but yeah, i'm aware of them being close |
| 18:19.04 | RiD | and bluetooth and FM transmitter are also somewhat together... |
| 18:19.11 | kerio | bluetooth and fmtx are the same |
| 18:19.18 | RiD | you can't have one of them turned off, i guess |
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| 19:17.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | duck and cover!!! ;-P |
| 19:19.06 | grammoboy | <^^> |
| 19:19.31 | grammoboy | what is a good backup system to backup your whole n900 install? |
| 19:21.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~bm |
| 19:21.04 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 19:24.29 | RiD | oh hello doc |
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| 19:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
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| 20:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* what have I done?! |
| 20:29.24 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 20:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | community-ml |
| 20:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | should nominate ShadowJK ;-P |
| 20:30.57 | ShadowJK | I would decline |
| 20:31.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | since you're not as silly as i am |
| 20:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | lots of bitching for expending your time, not much hope for a bright future, no fame, no money ;-P |
| 20:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme troll a little, so maybe nobody votes me XP |
| 20:34.16 | RST38h | yawns |
| 20:34.25 | RST38h | So, what is cooking? |
| 20:34.40 | ShadowJK | I forget what the point of it is/was now that nokia is dead |
| 20:34.46 | RST38h | Rat meat? Human meat? Elop's chops? |
| 20:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | nominates RST38h |
| 20:35.49 | kerio | still nominates DocScrutinizer05 as hildon foundation's eternal leader |
| 20:35.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: actually a good point. Seems council is an entity without mission |
| 20:36.35 | RST38h | has been that way for a while, haven't you noticed? |
| 20:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | suuure |
| 20:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just didn't like to frustrate all the youngsters |
| 20:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now council cranks up board |
| 20:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but what will council do next term? |
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| 20:38.39 | RST38h | same as the last term? nothing? |
| 20:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now council cranks up board |
| 20:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, *last* term |
| 20:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | might have a point |
| 20:39.59 | RST38h | I think it might make sense to look for migration routes now |
| 20:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems last term been SD69 and he's been terribly busy with other stuff |
| 20:40.23 | RST38h | Such as Tizen-on-Galaxy or Boot-2-Gecko or Jolla thing |
| 20:40.46 | SpeedEvil | or even Firefox is |
| 20:40.48 | SpeedEvil | is |
| 20:40.56 | SpeedEvil | OS |
| 20:40.58 | RST38h | see Boot-2-Gecko |
| 20:41.04 | RST38h | that is firefox "os" |
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| 20:41.05 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:41.11 | SpeedEvil | is not awake. |
| 20:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | jolla might be a sensible project to bang the door, but the other stuff definitely isn't any topic for council |
| 20:41.37 | kerio | you'll never take fremantle away from me! |
| 20:41.47 | RST38h | Doc: dunno about council, just looking from the neutralpoint of view |
| 20:41.52 | SpeedEvil | though it's amore alien than android |
| 20:42.01 | RST38h | Doc: All three are Linux based |
| 20:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 20:42.31 | RST38h | Doc: If you do not like the word "tizen" we can call it SLP |
| 20:42.56 | ShadowJK | Last time I checked tmo, it seemed like people had this funny idea that the council can do actual work like coding, or atleast, do more than what was their purpose last time I checked, to be representatives of community with nokia. Whoever is in council wont change the amount of or direction of cssu at all, I'd think, because it's all volunteer effort anyways.. and I say cssu because it seems the most relevant to any future life support :-) |
| 20:43.23 | RST38h | There are live, sane people left at tmo? Miracle. |
| 20:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but maemo community is... well, maemo commuinty. If somebody wants to move to android or whatever, he's free to do so. *nobody* will steer the community at large towards any arbitrary point outside maemo |
| 20:43.41 | RST38h | But, let us be honest: council has never done anything useful |
| 20:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | beg to differ |
| 20:44.09 | ShadowJK | RST38h, my point is that that's not even their purpose ;-) |
| 20:44.23 | RST38h | ShadowJK: My point is that their purpose is beside the point =) |
| 20:44.48 | RST38h | ShadowJK: The community has always been driven by people who could sit down and do something - application, site, faq, etc |
| 20:44.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | council helped with device seeding, for instance. When there were projects like h-e-n or SHR |
| 20:44.59 | RST38h | ShadowJK: These are generally not council members |
| 20:45.12 | ShadowJK | RST38h, that's MY point, you plagiarizing dolt ;-P |
| 20:45.20 | RST38h | Doc: Yeah, but it was long time ago, and even then it was concrete people, not the council in general |
| 20:45.24 | Woody14619 | RST38H: I see, so keeping the lights on = nothing useful? |
| 20:45.35 | RST38h | Woody: correct. |
| 20:45.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | BS |
| 20:45.47 | ShadowJK | Nah |
| 20:45.53 | ShadowJK | Keeping lights on is vital :-) |
| 20:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi Woody14619 |
| 20:46.13 | RST38h | vital how? and for whom? |
| 20:46.20 | Woody14619 | Good to know... When the servers go out Dec 31st, I'll let everyone know it was because you thought it not vital. |
| 20:46.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: council is not even *meant* to do that steering you expect to see |
| 20:46.30 | Woody14619 | waves |
| 20:46.53 | RST38h | does notexpect any "steering": neither him nor the community are cars |
| 20:47.16 | Woody14619 | Btw: Most folks working on CSSU consider the builder and repos to be somewhat important, last I checked. |
| 20:47.26 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 20:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-28 22:44:48] <RST38h> ShadowJK: The community has always been driven by people who could sit down and do something - application, site, faq, etc |
| 20:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not council to 'drive' community |
| 20:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's community that does this |
| 20:48.11 | RST38h | and how much of the community has been left? |
| 20:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, seems you're not part of those remnants |
| 20:48.46 | ShadowJK | If community council is actually a body of people that actually gets access to be able to fix servers and repos when they break, that'd be cool, but then I'd think the the name would need a change :-) |
| 20:49.02 | RST38h | true |
| 20:49.16 | RST38h | Doc: I am just a piece of toilet paper in the wind =) |
| 20:49.21 | Woody14619 | Is has. That's what the foundation is for. |
| 20:49.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's board, or those who get nominated by board |
| 20:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | council never been meant to do admin job on servers |
| 20:50.34 | Woody14619 | At the same time, most people that would want to work on that board may NOT want to deal with the community as deeply as Council as (doing things like running award programs, etc |
| 20:50.45 | Woody14619 | Which is why we separated the two. |
| 20:50.56 | ShadowJK | Also, the 6 month or whatever cycle made sense back when maemo was cutting edge growing thing, I wouldn't at all mind if people were made "permanent" members, with provision for replacement on demand through some vote-like process or the member going away him/herself etc |
| 20:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and which is why I hope to get elected for none, or both |
| 20:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | synergy |
| 20:51.32 | Woody14619 | Mind you, Councils job will become immesely easier when they have better access, which they effectivly will if the Foundation can take over everything. |
| 20:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | access to what? It's not council to admin the servers |
| 20:52.08 | Woody14619 | As good as Niels was, he was one man running most of the show. With the Foundation, that work can be properly divided out. |
| 20:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Niels never been council AFAIK |
| 20:52.39 | Woody14619 | No, they won't have direct access. But they'll be able to get actual e-mailed answers, and hopefully more info on what's going on then what we have over the past couple years. |
| 20:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what council does |
| 20:53.01 | Woody14619 | I never said he was Council... re-read. |
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| 20:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never said you said ;-) |
| 20:53.32 | Woody14619 | Right now, if you have a request (like, I want to hold a CC election), you ask Council that, and we have NO access to do anything for it. |
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| 20:53.56 | Woody14619 | We can pre-setup some things, but the actual lever must be pulled by the admin. |
| 20:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we get a proper board now, for that |
| 20:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the board will not do this job themselves either, usually. They nominate /and maybe even pay) some (semi-)professional admin for that. That's the way things work in RL |
| 20:55.22 | ShadowJK | btw, I now also got a quad core 1.6GHz android device with 1 gigs of Ram.. but N900 is still main device, and the android pisses me off everytime I try use it, sits mostly unused, except for playing Grand Theft Auto |
| 20:55.29 | Woody14619 | And when that admin only replies to one in 10 e-mails, it can be frustrating. Then add Nokia stoping payment for the admin group to do *anything* related to your group, and it's all volunteer. |
| 20:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | when the admin does that, he gets a thankful kick in the backside |
| 20:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what board is for |
| 20:56.38 | RiD | aaah... nokia will take my n900 tomorrow |
| 20:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why board holds the master key |
| 20:56.46 | Woody14619 | Yes... The Board will be more in control by way of dividing up who does what... though some direct admining may happen at first... |
| 20:56.47 | RiD | only tomorrow *sigh* |
| 20:56.57 | RiD | broke the conversation |
| 20:57.35 | ShadowJK | wonders if maemo infra is still horrendously expensive, mer/meego/jolla allegedly got hosting costs down to <300, and they've probably got more dev activity these days than maemo? |
| 20:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | breaks his monologue now, to get some TV and a nice ABSOLUT wodka to forget the silly things he did today |
| 20:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS council nomination, WTF?! |
| 20:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: will you run for another term? |
| 20:58.48 | Woody14619 | ShadowJK: For Nokia, probably. For the foundation, we're hoping we can bring it down significantly.... |
| 20:58.58 | Woody14619 | For Council or for Board? |
| 20:59.16 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, this video will make sense after the vodka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDboaDrHGbA |
| 20:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | anything |
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| 20:59.45 | Woody14619 | I already put on the ML that I would run for Board, with a very special caveat that I will be relativly inactive until March. |
| 20:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Dieses Video ist in Deutschland leider nicht verfügbar, da es möglicherweise Musik enthält, für die die erforderlichen Musikrechte von der GEMA nicht eingeräumt wurden. Das tut uns leid.<< |
| 21:00.07 | Woody14619 | My work is spinning up right now... Oct to March is our super-heavy season. |
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| 21:00.58 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, heh |
| 21:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | My professional future is on the deities as usual |
| 21:01.38 | ShadowJK | wonders what youtube makes of his location, currently outgoing requests are randomly originating from .nl or .fi for me :-) |
| 21:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now my 40h+ week leaves me sleeping the rest of the time (aside from a lil IRC occasionally) |
| 21:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | if only every tmo user would pay me 50ct / month, i probably could make a nice living from that and dedicate all my time 24/7 to maemo |
| 21:03.26 | ShadowJK | I know the feeling re 40/sleep :P |
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| 21:06.31 | Woody14619 | Seriously? Smart has lost it's mind. |
| 21:07.29 | Woody14619 | At the next show they're showing a concept electic, get this "with a built in video projector, so every wall is a drive-in theater". |
| 21:08.52 | Woody14619 | Is my calendar off? Is it April 1st or something? http://int.smart.com/information-service-show-cars-smart-forstars/1a72867e-a527-5116-8503-f69c5cf315bd |
| 21:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: eh? |
| 21:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF is "smart"? |
| 21:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | which show? |
| 21:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict electic |
| 21:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 21:10.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1913 ;-P |
| 21:10.32 | Woody14619 | Paris at the Mondial de lAutomobile |
| 21:11.23 | Woody14619 | smart is a car manufacturer |
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| 21:12.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, please don't talk about Automobile to me. Volkswagen said they're ueber-eager to get hold of me, after they've read what I done so far (buzzword backseat entertainment). But it means moving from South of Germany to North, permanently |
| 21:13.23 | ShadowJK | I'm considering purchasing an electric car atm |
| 21:14.15 | RST38h | Doc: "North" as in "Prussia"? |
| 21:14.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: maemo-based car gogogogogo |
| 21:14.23 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Oh god no. |
| 21:14.41 | ShadowJK | My current wishlist consists of: Brushless motor, diesel(-ish) fired heater, well insulated battery compartment, oversized battery compartment, open documented motor control and battery charger and battery management system. |
| 21:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's meego, you remember? |
| 21:14.49 | kerio | no, i don't |
| 21:15.03 | kerio | cuz meego sucks |
| 21:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | meego backseat entertainment branch |
| 21:15.16 | RST38h | ShadowJK: And the on-board controllers should run software written in emacs! |
| 21:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably the only branch of meego that actually flourished |
| 21:16.00 | RST38h | maybe because it wasnt really Meego? |
| 21:16.02 | ShadowJK | I can get the above sans brushless for 10kE from non-traditional manufacturers. I can get from established manufacturers only the brushless features from above, for 40kE. |
| 21:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: BS, this was *real* meego |
| 21:16.30 | RST38h | Doc The media one? Mmm... yeah maybe |
| 21:16.36 | RST38h | stands corrected |
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| 21:16.57 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Or you can get a turbodiesel Folkswagen |
| 21:17.09 | RST38h | ShadowJK: and save on BOTH car and fuel |
| 21:17.13 | ShadowJK | I'd get a Chevy/Opel Volt/Ampera, if the price wasn't silly and if you could fix it yourself when it "bricks" |
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| 21:17.36 | ShadowJK | RST38h, local taxes make diesels extremely expensive for me |
| 21:17.44 | RST38h | Oh |
| 21:18.00 | RST38h | But not more expensive than electrics, right? |
| 21:18.36 | ShadowJK | However, if the diesel is only used for heating, and not for propulsion, and if the car seats max 2, I'd pay a twentieth in car tax, and I could legally run the heating unit on "Light Heating Oil", which is essentially diesel, but tax-free and half cost of diesel |
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| 21:19.16 | ShadowJK | RST38h, annual taxes for owning the car |
| 21:20.21 | RST38h | evil |
| 21:21.16 | ShadowJK | There's tax on the purchase price of the car, which you pay when you purchase a new car. There's also an annual tax, which you pay every year that you own a car. The more Co2 your car emits, the more you pay. However, diesels have a different scale to petrol, so diesel is only economical if you drive *alot*, otherwise the annual tax eats up the advantage |
| 21:22.07 | ShadowJK | a <=2 seat electric in comparison has almost negligible annual tax |
| 21:22.20 | Hurrian | shadowJK, yowch |
| 21:23.09 | Hurrian | my new diesel SUV chows down less gas a week than my gas sedan, with the SUV seeing slightly more use per week. |
| 21:23.19 | Woody14619 | shadowjk: smart makes an electric... their 3rd gen is due out in a month or so. |
| 21:23.34 | ShadowJK | Woody14619, yeah but it's still going to be obscenely expensive |
| 21:23.41 | Woody14619 | I'm on the list to get one.... I have a gas smart now. |
| 21:23.55 | Woody14619 | No.. smart electric starts at $22K |
| 21:24.32 | Woody14619 | Compaired to the $13K gas start, sure... more expensive, but not >$40K like the Volt. |
| 21:25.07 | ShadowJK | Weird, volt is 45kE here, I'd expected any outside price to be half of local price :-) |
| 21:25.22 | ShadowJK | 45kE second hand, mind |
| 21:25.56 | ShadowJK | what kind of range does 22k smart come with? :-) |
| 21:27.20 | Woody14619 | They're saying 90 miles, which is pretty reasonable. |
| 21:28.09 | ShadowJK | I did calculations on a Subaru miniature delivery van thing, originally lead-acid, the battery pack I'd want to build in it would cost 7000 and get me about that range |
| 21:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders how to avoid worst case scenario: getting so embarrased of not being able to comply with council duties, to not even contribute to community at all as a simple member |
| 21:29.17 | ShadowJK | maybe slightly less range, depending on cruise speed |
| 21:29.22 | ShadowJK | a boxy van is quite inefficient :/ |
| 21:30.19 | ShadowJK | I wonder what kind of pricing BYD has, I think they're coming to the US soon? Will have to wait here in europe still :/ |
| 21:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard BYD scored on crash tests like a nail bed |
| 21:33.55 | ShadowJK | If they give me moose repellant I'll be fine |
| 21:33.58 | ShadowJK | ;P |
| 21:35.44 | ShadowJK | On the subaru minivan I calculated break-even point was 5 years |
| 21:36.40 | ShadowJK | (relative to petrol consumption of my current car) |
| 21:37.10 | ShadowJK | This assumes nothing breaks down on it |
| 21:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and on oil market |
| 21:38.07 | Woody14619 | My look on the smart is I need a second car (our old second is crapping the bed). So we're looking at two smarts. $9K delta on a gas vs electric? Break even on that is about 2.5 years where I am, less when you cut out the oil changes and what not. |
| 21:38.30 | Woody14619 | And that was at $3.50/gallon. We're at close to $4.25 now. |
| 21:38.53 | ShadowJK | With some random BYD, or any american or any french car, or an opel, making 5 years without major welding jobs due to rusting is a bit like winning the lottery :-) |
| 21:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: haha, count in the battery changes every 5 years |
| 21:39.04 | Woody14619 | So... Really a no brainer. |
| 21:39.54 | Woody14619 | The smart batteries are from Tesla. Life is supposed to be 8 years to 80%. |
| 21:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | supposed? or guaranteed? |
| 21:40.18 | Woody14619 | Even then, the battery replacement is only $4k. |
| 21:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 21:40.44 | Woody14619 | I have the same question, waiting on that from the dealership. ; |
| 21:41.18 | ShadowJK | The tesla pack is horribly complicated |
| 21:41.23 | Woody14619 | But really... even then... add up the oil changes, plugs, etc.. |
| 21:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
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| 21:41.56 | ShadowJK | Ah yeah, US oil changes are about 4X as frequent as EU oil changes? |
| 21:41.56 | Woody14619 | Yes and no. It's got more control circutry (better load balance), but 95% of that is reusable. |
| 21:42.17 | ShadowJK | read somewhere on interwebs that the same engine and same oil have different oil changing intervals in US and EU |
| 21:42.46 | Woody14619 | Yes and no. :) Smarts are rated to run 10,000 miles between changes. |
| 21:42.50 | ShadowJK | Hm, is it Volt I'm thinking of? The one built out of essentially laptop-sized cells |
| 21:43.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet that's due to silly way to use cars / operate engines in USA |
| 21:43.23 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, nah, apparently some have oil change at 5000km? |
| 21:44.03 | Woody14619 | Where in EU they call for 20K (so 12K/13K in miles?) |
| 21:44.12 | Woody14619 | Not a huge difference. |
| 21:44.44 | ShadowJK | My current toyota goes 15000 between oil change.. but it leaks a little bit, and it has really small oil capacity... when the oil light comes in, I refill it with like 95% of its capacity in oil? O_0 |
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| 21:45.00 | ShadowJK | So I have to conclude that the engine probably would run without it ;-D |
| 21:45.07 | Woody14619 | Used to have a Geo Storm like that. :) |
| 21:45.18 | Woody14619 | I actually has a Sentra run without oil for almost a month. |
| 21:45.50 | Woody14619 | I put one of those late-night tv specials in, that "bonds" to your engine to reduce friction. |
| 21:46.08 | Woody14619 | Actually worked well apparently. Quieted the car down. ;) |
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| 21:47.52 | Woody14619 | I took it in because it wouldn't start on cold mornings, turns out, no oil... pan was bone dry. :P |
| 21:48.43 | Woody14619 | The plug apparently got whacked on a nasty pot hole somewhere... |
| 21:49.01 | Woody14619 | Anyway... as fun as this is... I'm off to dinner and gone for the weekend. |
| 21:49.10 | ShadowJK | Btw, a funny thing about batteries. A123 makes the *best* automotive battery ever, there's just one minor annoyance with it, and one major annoyance. The minor one is that they make them really tiny, so you need a huge amount of them. The major annoyance is that they odn't actually sell them. Luckily, a China factory makes batteries that are half as good (which is twice as good as they need to be), in big formats (I'd beed 25 for the subaru compared to 30 |
| 21:49.17 | ShadowJK | 0+ if I used A123), AND they actually sell them, and ship them. Not terribly surprising, A123 kinda went out of business and got acquired for its IP by a chinese company, and production has been dead for months :/ |
| 21:49.58 | Woody14619 | Only about 2 more hours to nominate for Council! :) |
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| 21:52.21 | Woody14619 | K, see you all around! :) |
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| 22:41.31 | Sc0rpius_ | I'm gonna make an application |
| 22:41.37 | Sc0rpius_ | that you say out loud |
| 22:41.39 | Sc0rpius_ | "what time is it?" |
| 22:41.45 | Sc0rpius_ | and your N900 will tell you the current time in your language |
| 22:41.50 | Sc0rpius_ | would you use an app like that? |
| 22:41.54 | Sc0rpius_ | I really need it badly |
| 22:42.05 | RiD | lol |
| 22:42.12 | RiD | isn't the siri clone already doing that? |
| 22:42.17 | Sc0rpius_ | fuck really? |
| 22:42.19 | RiD | saere or something |
| 22:42.23 | beford | Saera |
| 22:42.25 | Sc0rpius_ | but you have to press a button or something |
| 22:42.29 | Sc0rpius_ | I want it on all the itme |
| 22:42.30 | beford | yea |
| 22:42.30 | Sc0rpius_ | time |
| 22:42.35 | RiD | nope no idea Sc0rpius_ , haven't used my phone for 2 weeks or so |
| 22:42.40 | Sc0rpius_ | I mean listening the mike 24/7 |
| 22:42.47 | RiD | bye bye battery |
| 22:43.14 | Sc0rpius_ | yeah :( |
| 22:43.24 | Sc0rpius_ | then I'm gonna make a device just for that using a Raspberry Pi baord or something |
| 22:43.28 | RiD | lol |
| 22:43.31 | RiD | why? |
| 22:43.36 | RiD | why would you want something to say the time? |
| 22:43.56 | RiD | too lazy to use a clock? |
| 22:44.18 | Sc0rpius_ | well I'm myope |
| 22:44.22 | RiD | ...oh |
| 22:44.25 | Sc0rpius_ | at nights even if I open my eyes I just can't read clocks |
| 22:44.31 | Sc0rpius_ | I have this projection clock |
| 22:44.39 | Sc0rpius_ | it works great the numbers are so big that even I can read them |
| 22:44.50 | RiD | why not a fullsized n900 clock app then? |
| 22:44.51 | Sc0rpius_ | but during the day you can't see the numbers |
| 22:44.53 | RiD | you can't see it? |
| 22:44.59 | Sc0rpius_ | no |
| 22:45.02 | RiD | what |
| 22:45.05 | Sc0rpius_ | it has to be like 1 meter long |
| 22:45.08 | Sc0rpius_ | for me to read it without glasses |
| 22:45.22 | Sc0rpius_ | but my ears work fine! |
| 22:45.31 | RiD | can't say the same about me |
| 22:45.32 | Sc0rpius_ | I think there are voice recognition alarm clocks out there |
| 22:45.34 | RiD | my problem is in the ears haha |
| 22:45.47 | SpeedEvil | clearly you need my n900 mod, with the 42" display |
| 22:46.01 | RiD | some clocks have a button that says the time |
| 22:46.18 | RiD | someone i knew with *very* serious sight problems (he couldn't see that much even with glasses) used one |
| 22:46.54 | RiD | "it's - twenty - three - and - forty - six - minutes!" |
| 22:47.20 | Sc0rpius_ | yeah but if I have to strech out to press a button at nights, then I'm already awake |
| 22:47.29 | Sc0rpius_ | the thing is at 3 am you say out loud "WHAT TIME IS IT????" |
| 22:47.33 | Sc0rpius_ | and the clock will tell you time |
| 22:47.40 | Sc0rpius_ | and the wife will kick your ass for waking her up |
| 22:47.49 | Sc0rpius_ | :/ |
| 22:48.31 | RiD | tiny bluetooth / wifi earbud with a button in it |
| 22:50.22 | Sc0rpius_ | and sleep with that?? |
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| 22:54.57 | RiD | if it's tiny enough it wouldn't bother you |
| 22:55.04 | RiD | but the easiest solution is to kick your wife out of your bedroom |
| 22:55.15 | Sc0rpius_ | :/ |
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| 23:29.16 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 23:29.52 | ShadowJK | I haven't tried it the last 15 years, but voice recog seems "hard" :) |
| 23:30.10 | SpeedEvil | :-\ |
| 23:30.25 | SpeedEvil | I want offline voice recognition, |
| 23:32.37 | ShadowJK | However, re battery, if oyu're sleeping you have your N900 plugged into power, unless you're a moron and an idiot |
| 23:40.56 | Sc0rpius_ | you must be a heavy user of the N900 |
| 23:40.59 | Sc0rpius_ | I just charge it like once a week |
| 23:47.32 | Hurrian | Sc0rpius, you must be a really light user |
| 23:47.38 | Hurrian | 1 week is seriously stretching it |
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| 23:48.14 | Hurrian | When I used my N900 everyday, it gets about 3-4 days, with ~5 minutes of calls and ~2 hours of music via earbuds daily |
| 23:52.31 | Hurrian | ...that's with Smartreflex enabled, Modest disabled, and the device entering C0 a lot during the night. |
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