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| 01:07.21 | GGon | heh |
| 01:08.07 | GGon | hey... i still use my N900 :-P |
| 01:08.16 | GGon | and if you're on the council you get free N950s |
| 01:08.20 | GGon | hides |
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| 01:16.33 | Luke-Jr | GGon: even the new council? |
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| 04:40.14 | GGon | heh |
| 04:40.25 | GGon | maybe |
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| 05:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 05:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no more n950 |
| 05:51.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: why not, as if it is usefull :D |
| 05:52.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am thinking to try to upstream thumb patch, any idea where to look for the process? |
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| 06:05.29 | int_ua | Anyone seen a thread about running Debian natively on N900? I can't find it |
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| 06:14.31 | kerio | int_ua: it's not worth it, anyway |
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| 06:22.47 | int_ua | kerio: Why? :) |
| 06:23.12 | kerio | int_ua: because half of the hardware doesn't work |
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| 06:59.56 | Sicelo | kerio: what hardware doesn't work? |
| 07:00.20 | kerio | Sicelo: phone calls |
| 07:00.32 | kerio | and last time i heard, the gps was still kinda meh |
| 07:01.10 | entitled | has never made a single phone call with N900 |
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| 07:01.37 | entitled | purely for ssh. browsing and such |
| 07:02.33 | Sicelo | int_ua: https://elektranox.org/N900 , http://elinux.org/N900 & look at NIN101's pages .. i forgot the link .. but same place RescueOS lives |
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| 07:05.01 | Sicelo | which reminds me.. i must find out how to switch between 2G-3G using ofono for when i'm on debian |
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| 07:07.28 | int_ua | Sicelo: yeah, but no thread on Talks? |
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| 07:07.52 | int_ua | Sicelo: so you have it running natively? |
| 07:08.00 | Sicelo | there should be, but TMO |
| 07:08.06 | Sicelo | yes, i do :) |
| 07:10.13 | Sicelo | as kerio said, phne calls don't work (well), but you can use the modem for internet, which covers my needs. |
| 07:10.25 | kerio | Sicelo: which DE are you using? |
| 07:10.56 | Sicelo | i used E7 at first, but am using Xfce now |
| 07:11.06 | kerio | why not hildon? :P |
| 07:11.58 | Sicelo | i haven't seen it packaged for debian, yet. otherwise i would love that, or even plain old matchbox |
| 07:12.24 | kerio | why not openbox? |
| 07:13.50 | Sicelo | i'll try that |
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| 07:14.09 | kerio | what are you using to right click, btw? |
| 07:14.20 | Sicelo | nothing, lol |
| 07:14.36 | kerio | then you're not going to like openbox :3 |
| 07:15.10 | int_ua | yeah, openbox needs rightclick. |
| 07:15.18 | int_ua | but there is a workaround |
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| 07:15.40 | int_ua | Sicelo: something with xorg.conf hacking |
| 07:17.01 | Sicelo | thanks. 'll have to google that. fact is, i have nfc about some deep things |
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| 08:35.35 | kerio | deepy: btw, i just realized that without fixing the kbd slider, you can't use portrait mode |
| 08:35.35 | kerio | ever |
| 08:35.51 | deepy | ooo |
| 08:35.59 | deepy | I didn't know there was a portrait mode |
| 08:36.12 | deepy | Time to get a soldering iron, eh? |
| 08:36.37 | kerio | note that it's mostly useless |
| 08:36.50 | kerio | imo it's only useful with openmediaplayer |
| 08:36.55 | kerio | to choose a song with one hand |
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| 08:45.43 | deepy | oooh, that reminds me |
| 08:45.55 | deepy | I gotta find some SFW show so I can test the battery life and the stan |
| 08:45.57 | deepy | at the same time |
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| 09:01.53 | kerio | deepy: fun fact: myfreecams.com works on microB |
| 09:02.02 | kerio | and that's a website that makes netbooks choke |
| 09:03.00 | deepy | microB? |
| 09:03.07 | deepy | also it sounds incredibly fishy :P |
| 09:03.25 | kerio | microB is "Web" |
| 09:03.27 | kerio | the default browser |
| 09:03.29 | deepy | Ah |
| 09:03.35 | kerio | nah, it's legit |
| 09:03.37 | deepy | The website still sounds fishy |
| 09:03.48 | kerio | it's not exactly sfw, though |
| 09:04.46 | deepy | Ever since the copypaste incident of '11 I'm not opening websites that involve the word 'cam' when I'm not at home |
| 09:05.01 | kerio | oh, job |
| 09:05.02 | kerio | pf |
| 09:05.04 | kerio | pffffffffff |
| 09:05.13 | deepy | pffff all you want |
| 09:05.16 | deepy | I'll pffffff harder |
| 09:05.36 | deepy | OSHI- |
| 09:05.39 | deepy | Sent a PC to the wrong country |
| 09:05.45 | deepy | whistles |
| 09:06.02 | kerio | deepy: could you wrongfully send a PC to my house? |
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| 09:06.22 | deepy | kerio: you can already virtualize ten of these |
| 09:06.43 | kerio | well, i do need a home server... |
| 09:07.16 | deepy | what do you intend to do on that home server? |
| 09:07.21 | deepy | I know of $19/yr VPS |
| 09:07.50 | kerio | i already have one, but it's kinda bad |
| 09:07.56 | kerio | file storage and torrents |
| 09:08.06 | kerio | and DNS tunneling |
| 09:08.13 | deepy | DNS tunneling is so 80s |
| 09:08.29 | kerio | u jelly |
| 09:08.41 | deepy | I'm at work chatting to you from a server in Sweden |
| 09:08.43 | deepy | ;-) |
| 09:08.52 | deepy | One of us is getting paid during this conversation |
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| 09:16.22 | deepy | I just sent two monitors to a girl |
| 09:16.32 | deepy | two WIDESCREEN monitors |
| 09:16.40 | deepy | I'm sitting here with a flickering 19" |
| 09:17.03 | deepy | Not fair :-( |
| 09:17.26 | Cor-Ai | sluta slöa! börja jobba! |
| 09:18.01 | deepy | I am working! |
| 09:18.21 | Cor-Ai | sure! ;) |
| 09:18.23 | deepy | Just sent a battery to someone |
| 09:18.44 | Cor-Ai | sweet, to me? i need one to my oqo01! |
| 09:18.50 | deepy | Yes |
| 09:19.08 | deepy | It's a pity it'll only fit x200s/x201 |
| 09:19.18 | deepy | But hey, it's a 9cell Li-Ion! |
| 09:19.27 | Cor-Ai | hehe |
| 09:20.15 | Cor-Ai | im cleaning my bellybutton :D |
| 09:20.59 | kerio | deepy: send us technology |
| 09:21.05 | kerio | for free |
| 09:21.05 | deepy | kerio: I can get you a job here |
| 09:21.10 | deepy | for pay |
| 09:21.15 | kerio | i'd have to work |
| 09:21.18 | kerio | that sucks |
| 09:21.24 | deepy | Does it look like I am working? |
| 09:21.38 | deepy | I played nethack half of my time here |
| 09:30.17 | kerio | play FTL! |
| 09:30.53 | deepy | I don't know what that is |
| 09:31.00 | kerio | a cute game |
| 09:31.00 | deepy | I heard it's a roguelike in space |
| 09:31.10 | kerio | it's a roguelike-like |
| 09:31.48 | kerio | permadeath, randomly generated map and encounters, fairly constant challenge throughout the game |
| 09:33.27 | deepy | It seems like I may enjoy dwarf fortress more |
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| 09:49.25 | Pali | static.maemo.org is down |
| 09:49.39 | Pali | so wiki.maemo.org not working... |
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| 10:15.55 | kerio | worksforme |
| 10:16.19 | kerio | Pali: how's the bme replacement project going? |
| 10:16.45 | Pali | kerio, hald-addon-bme is implemented and tested by me - forking fine |
| 10:17.04 | kerio | neat |
| 10:17.06 | Pali | kernel modules bq2415x_charger, bq27x00_battery and rx51_battery working fine too |
| 10:17.07 | kerio | what does it use? |
| 10:17.26 | Pali | libbmeeipc is implemented, but not tested yet |
| 10:17.50 | Pali | bme-rx51 (meta)(pseudo)package is written too, but not tested |
| 10:18.02 | Pali | hald-addon-bme is used by more programs (also 3rd party) |
| 10:18.16 | Pali | it export battery & charger properties to HAL |
| 10:18.38 | Pali | for example default nokia battery status menu plugin |
| 10:18.51 | Pali | all 3rd battery widgets, ... |
| 10:19.16 | kerio | how is it packaged? |
| 10:19.26 | Pali | in deb package |
| 10:20.06 | Pali | each package has same name, same library/binary as original nokia |
| 10:20.38 | kerio | did you make a fake /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51? :O |
| 10:20.51 | Pali | libraries export same function names & binaries export needed interface |
| 10:21.09 | Pali | /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 was removed, not needed |
| 10:21.27 | Pali | no application/library using it |
| 10:21.29 | kerio | i'm still not convinced that your "bme-rx-51" should be called like that |
| 10:22.03 | Pali | original bme-rx-51 has 2 system files: 1) event.d script 2) bme binary |
| 10:22.17 | kerio | does the rest of the stuff fail gracefully if the modules aren't loaded? |
| 10:22.22 | kerio | kinda like if bme wasn't running |
| 10:22.50 | Pali | original event.d script start charging (spawn bme and wait for soemthing...) |
| 10:23.05 | Pali | new event.d script start charging too (it load kernel modules) |
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| 10:23.36 | kerio | Pali: does it touch /etc/bme-disabled or whatever usbmode.sh checks? |
| 10:24.03 | Pali | no, usbmode.sh was changed to check if new version of bme-rx-51 is installed |
| 10:24.25 | kerio | groans |
| 10:24.39 | Pali | every old nokia bme package has version << 1.0 |
| 10:24.56 | Pali | and every bme replacement version is >= 1.0 |
| 10:25.55 | Pali | (if somebody for some unknown stupid reason want to increase version of bme packages - he can - but not higer than 1.0) |
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| 10:36.25 | Pali | kerio, you can look at project page: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement |
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| 10:54.33 | Skry | kerio: guess what? sbc decoding and encoding binaries actually exists for C64x dsp. |
| 10:55.24 | kerio | what's sbc? |
| 10:59.31 | Skry | Bluetooth low complexity, sub band codec |
| 11:01.43 | Skry | the a2dp talk from yesterday, remember? |
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| 11:07.28 | kerio | oh right |
| 11:07.39 | kerio | well, if sbc is done by the bt chip... |
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| 11:10.03 | Jaffa | Morning |
| 11:10.30 | SpeedEvil | morning! |
| 11:10.42 | kerio | moin |
| 11:11.41 | ZogG_laptop | Jaffa: sup |
| 11:12.01 | ZogG_laptop | Jaffa: i like to read your sad morning tweets :P |
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| 11:12.23 | Pali | Skry, do you know about aptx bluetooth codec? |
| 11:12.40 | kerio | Pali: almost nothing supports it :( |
| 11:13.01 | Pali | is there any specification? |
| 11:13.38 | Pali | I see that my bluetooth headset has support for aptx |
| 11:13.57 | Pali | but I did not find anything about aptx codec... |
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| 11:16.34 | Skry | Pali: not much. |
| 11:17.15 | kerio | i bet it's something not open |
| 11:17.38 | Skry | there are products that use c64x dsp for the encoding but it's very proprietary stuff |
| 11:17.55 | Skry | yeah, not open at all |
| 11:18.41 | Pali | so there is no way to encode aptx on n900? |
| 11:18.56 | Skry | not that I know about it |
| 11:18.58 | Pali | or are there any ti dsp binaries for that? |
| 11:19.07 | Skry | not from ti at least |
| 11:20.13 | Skry | Pali: you could try to ask them for some info if there is binary for c64x http://www.dr-embedded.com/servlet/publicSite.displayIP?ipId=SW_MW_1200 |
| 11:20.34 | Skry | and you have the skills for userspace parts |
| 11:21.07 | Pali | what c64x mean? |
| 11:21.09 | Pali | ~c64x |
| 11:21.45 | Skry | n900 uses TMS320C64x dsp/isp |
| 11:24.37 | Skry | c64x+ to be more exact |
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| 11:28.27 | freemangordon | Skry: do re really need DSP codec node for SBC? |
| 11:28.46 | freemangordon | bluetoothd has nice NEON optimized codec |
| 11:29.28 | Pali | freemangordon, how is dsp binary codec connected to system? |
| 11:29.37 | freemangordon | gst-dsp |
| 11:30.01 | freemangordon | gstreamer that is. though TI-OMX could be used too |
| 11:30.05 | Pali | gst-dsp has special code for each codec? |
| 11:30.09 | freemangordon | yes |
| 11:30.25 | freemangordon | because each codec has different set of parameters :) |
| 11:30.42 | Pali | year ago I saw project for theora support |
| 11:30.51 | Pali | they created dsp codec binary |
| 11:30.58 | freemangordon | hmm, IIRC it was DSP side |
| 11:31.09 | Skry | freemangordon: no i dont need one, we just had this talk about it yesterday |
| 11:31.40 | Pali | I do not know state of that project, but will be possible to use it? |
| 11:31.44 | Skry | Pali: I tried to search for that one, disappeared :\ |
| 11:32.30 | freemangordon | Pali: it could be usefull, but is there any problem with MPU side theora codec? |
| 11:33.18 | freemangordon | all this talking reminds me that it is time to return to gst-dsp :) |
| 11:33.30 | freemangordon | development that is |
| 11:34.36 | Pali | Skry, I found link for that theora binary: http://code.entropywave.com/download/leonora/demo/theoradec.dll64P |
| 11:34.52 | Skry | nice! |
| 11:35.09 | Pali | but where is source code I do not know... |
| 11:35.22 | Pali | but I remember that source code was in some git repo |
| 11:35.33 | Pali | but on my hdd I cannot find it |
| 11:35.45 | Pali | I found only that dll64P and link |
| 11:37.47 | kerio | freemangordon: we don't even know if it's the CPU that does the sbc conversion |
| 11:37.55 | kerio | it could be the bt chip itself |
| 11:37.58 | Pali | here is original post: http://blog.mjg.im/2010/04/16/theora-on-n900.html |
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| 11:41.32 | Skry | Pali: http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=leonora.git;a=summary |
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| 11:42.05 | Skry | and http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=theora-c64x.git;a=summary |
| 11:42.31 | Pali | nice, thanks! |
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| 11:46.59 | Pali | freemangordon, so for testing (and comparing) we only need gst-dsp binary which will use that theoradec.dll64P? |
| 11:48.35 | Skry | i think you need to make theora specific code for gst-dsp first? |
| 11:51.10 | Pali | hm... there is theora code for gst-openmax: http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=gstreamer/old/gst-openmax.git;a=summary |
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| 11:57.34 | Pali | google's android has modified bluez which support aptx codec via library libbt-aptx-4.0.3.so |
| 11:58.06 | Pali | search for libbt-aptx-2.3.so or libbt-aptx-4.0.3.so |
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| 12:14.44 | freemangordon | Pali: in theory yes, though it depends for which DSP BIOS is codec node compiled for |
| 12:15.15 | freemangordon | kerio: SBC on n900 is done through MPU, look in bluetoothd source code |
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| 12:15.55 | Pali | we have source code of theora dsp codec. can we recompile it for our dsp bios? |
| 12:16.27 | freemangordon | aah, never tried to recompile DSP codec. AIUI is is a tough job :) |
| 12:19.30 | Jaffa | ZogG_laptop: Glad I can provide :-) |
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| 14:29.32 | entitled | How do I get audible bell working with terminal? |
| 14:29.42 | entitled | in ssh to irssi shell.. |
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| 14:30.05 | entitled | bells and all it's settings should be ok |
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| 15:12.07 | yang_ | hello |
| 15:12.25 | Lava_Croft | entitled: not sure it can even do a bell |
| 15:12.48 | Lava_Croft | xterm on the n900 is pretty, say, underwhelming |
| 15:13.35 | yang_ | I decide to install maemo on moto me863 ,where can I download the source code of maemo 5? |
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| 15:18.53 | freemangordon | yang_: Nokia servers? |
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| 15:27.26 | entitled | lava_croft: yeah, I figured. I looked it up before and found it impossible but my friend claimed he had done it before.. but he confused it with something else |
| 15:28.17 | ZogG_laptop | Jaffa: it's just always something bad happens to you and when i read i just imagine you cold to what saying and just informing sarcastically |
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| 15:37.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | Lava_Croft: yeh, no bell in osso-xterm. But just maybe you could train bash to do some tricks on seeing ^G |
| 15:38.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | in the end it all will call paly-sound <somefile.wav> |
| 15:38.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | play-sound* |
| 15:38.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry Pali |
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| 16:46.00 | jk4 | hello. I'm looking for a handbrake settings with great quality that will work on both my xbox 360 and n900. anyone have one of these presets? |
| 16:46.37 | jk4 | depsite looking at page on maemo.org and trying some of those presets, they didn't work for me |
| 16:46.49 | jk4 | and this assumes the generic presets aren't worth using |
| 16:47.26 | jk4 | i want to encode some dvds that i want to get rid of because they take up far more than compressed video |
| 16:47.35 | jk4 | for more space* |
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| 16:49.59 | freemangordon | ~seen zeq |
| 16:50.10 | infobot | zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 11d 2h 47m 2s ago, saying: 'hi freemangordon'. |
| 16:50.19 | freemangordon | :( |
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| 17:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya, he ran with his sponsored N900, probably to Mexico |
| 17:03.35 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 17:10.22 | Skry | jk4: h264 baseline 3.0, aac audio, mp4 container, target size 700-1400 |
| 17:10.50 | jk4 | i tried the baseline and it didn't work |
| 17:12.15 | jk4 | always seem to get either something like invalid media format or bad audio codec |
| 17:12.18 | jk4 | in so many words.. |
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| 17:16.56 | Skry | jk4: I think there was some problems with (weighted?) b-frames but dont remember anymore exactly, also try dropping baseline level, and ofc autocrop and 2-pass encoding. |
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| 17:20.20 | Skry | jk4: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1136402&postcount=4 |
| 17:21.44 | jk4 | actually saw that post already |
| 17:21.47 | Skry | and I ment _use_ autocrop and 2-pass encoding |
| 17:21.49 | jk4 | maybe i did something incorrectly |
| 17:22.54 | Skry | weighted p-frames needs to be disabled too |
| 17:23.32 | jk4 | these mostly affect file size, yes? |
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| 17:24.51 | Skry | usually everything affects quality, if you dont care about file size you can just crank bitrate to whatever insane value you like :) |
| 17:25.33 | Skry | anyways, i need to go but if you dont get h264 working, use mpeg4 simple profile |
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| 17:33.41 | jk4 | what audio mixes does n900 support? |
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| 17:33.48 | kerio | if you don't care about file size you can just flac dat shit |
| 17:37.43 | jk4 | i prefer flac,but i doubt xbox supports flac |
| 17:37.54 | jk4 | have to go lowest common denominator for audio sadly |
| 17:38.11 | jk4 | could still add a flac version of audio.. |
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| 17:38.34 | jk4 | flac option doesn't seem to be enabled.. huh.. |
| 17:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | jk4: and don't OC or undervolt! |
| 17:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | since a barfing up DSP/GFX-accel will cause exactly same msg |
| 17:45.53 | jk4 | OC? Undervolt? :) |
| 17:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, nm then, better you don't know ;-D |
| 17:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc |
| 17:46.43 | infobot | [omap-oc] http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 17:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~oc |
| 17:46.51 | infobot | i heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s |
| 17:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 17:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~overclocking |
| 17:47.00 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
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| 18:09.08 | kerio | jk4: you can pump up the dsp if you overclock |
| 18:09.16 | kerio | but it's kinda dangerous |
| 18:09.30 | jk4 | that's not what i want |
| 18:10.56 | kerio | that's usually not what people want, unless they want 720p recording/playback |
| 18:11.21 | kerio | but, as DocScrutinizer05 said, overclocking can also give out error messages |
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| 18:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Foxcon workers win Guinness award for largerst mass battle since british hools |
| 18:12.07 | kerio | heh |
| 18:12.10 | kerio | what happened? |
| 18:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2000 engaged in a wresting battle |
| 18:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | they must have real masses of strong beer there |
| 18:13.13 | kerio | oh, i was hoping it was a mass riot |
| 18:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it was |
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| 18:13.53 | kerio | neat |
| 18:14.05 | myuu__ | they left the place wrecked |
| 18:14.08 | myuu__ | is there any footage? |
| 18:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | mass punchup |
| 18:14.50 | asem | hello guys, does anyone have touch.facebook.com running in microb? its just loads infinitly here |
| 18:15.08 | kerio | never worked properly for me, i use m. |
| 18:15.13 | kerio | or the main site |
| 18:15.18 | kerio | (it loads perfectly fine) |
| 18:16.01 | asem | ok thanks |
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| 18:16.19 | kerio | you might be luckier with opera mobile or fennec |
| 18:18.25 | asem | dont open in pera mobile (says something about xml error) and i dont like fenec as its slow and unmaintained anymore i think |
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| 18:33.32 | kerio | asem: well, do i have a treat for you! |
| 18:33.54 | kerio | thumb-compiled fennec 17 for FREE* |
| 18:34.05 | kerio | (*: must install cssu-thumb) |
| 18:36.44 | asem | kerio: i will check it out, thanks man :) |
| 18:37.11 | kerio | complain to freemangordon for any problems |
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| 19:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | would feel happy if kerio was a tad more reasonable and user oriented with his recommendations. |
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| 19:06.19 | vi__ | would appreciate $50 and a blowjob. |
| 19:06.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, fennec thumb-compiled is almost usable |
| 19:06.52 | kerio | vi__: you can find a blowjob and $-50 together, often |
| 19:07.26 | vi__ | apt-cache policy blowjob |
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| 19:08.02 | Raimu | sudo blow_me |
| 19:08.47 | kerio | unzip && mount && fsck && sleep |
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| 19:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be fair (to users you don't have any F*ing clue about ther level of experience), your suggestions was like "here's some funny substance, it is warm all the time and emits blue light in the dark. See what you can do with it" |
| 19:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | "but uh, here's that extremely heavy shirt, you'll like it" |
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| 19:11.22 | Raimu | At least the lead clothing was provided. :p |
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| 19:11.32 | vi__ | kerio: lol, what did you do know? |
| 19:11.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but maybe we'll get a thorium fluoride reactor out of it! |
| 19:12.02 | kerio | vi__: a dude was complaining about fennec being slow, i suggested fennec from cssu-thumb |
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| 19:13.37 | vi__ | kerio: reasonable suggestion. |
| 19:13.42 | kerio | i know, right? |
| 19:14.04 | vi__ | I assume you framed it by noting the caveats of using cssu-thumb? |
| 19:14.05 | Raimu | Requires a metric fuckton of caveat emptor, but whatevs. |
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| 19:14.28 | kerio | vi__: ...maybe |
| 19:18.48 | Raimu | Anyone try that port of the Webkit browser on the n900 -- Doobie? |
| 19:18.51 | Raimu | * Dooble |
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| 19:22.48 | vi__ | great another half finished soon to be abandoned port. |
| 19:23.10 | vi__ | shall I file it with midori, tear or helium? |
| 19:26.47 | qwazix__ | Is there something I should know before trying pali's u-boot with cssu-thumb? I think installing kernel-cssu-bootimg should be enough? |
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| 19:32.46 | Raimu | vi__: I guess Tear served the 8xx well, though. |
| 19:33.16 | vi__ | I never had an 8x0. |
| 19:33.30 | vi__ | Although I liked the size better |
| 19:34.09 | qwazix__ | wtf is !!Linux kernel for power user (boot Image) breaks the 3rd party package policy? |
| 19:34.20 | kerio | qwazix__: some HAM bullshit |
| 19:35.02 | qwazix__ | hmm... now infinite loops come to my mind. |
| 19:35.46 | qwazix__ | If I force install it, and then I want to update cssu-thumb, I'll find it in front of me, and I'll have to remove bootimg, but if I have u-boot, bootimg is essential |
| 19:35.56 | qwazix__ | aargh! |
| 19:36.56 | qwazix__ | apt-get indeed doesn't complain. I'll risk it. |
| 19:37.02 | freemangordon | qwazix__: what? |
| 19:37.09 | freemangordon | which version is that? |
| 19:37.24 | qwazix__ | the one in devel, let me see |
| 19:37.37 | freemangordon | no,no, cssu-thumb you have installed? |
| 19:37.42 | qwazix__ | 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 |
| 19:37.54 | qwazix__ | ah, latest |
| 19:37.57 | freemangordon | not the kernel :) |
| 19:38.21 | qwazix__ | no wrong. 5.1+thumb0 |
| 19:38.29 | freemangordon | hmm, installing KP should not break it |
| 19:38.44 | kerio | freemangordon: he wants to install the bootimg |
| 19:38.45 | kerio | not the flasher |
| 19:38.48 | qwazix__ | I'm not installing KP, just kcssu bootimg |
| 19:38.51 | freemangordon | does not matter |
| 19:39.08 | freemangordon | which 3rd party policy? |
| 19:39.23 | freemangordon | it should be listed under "problems" tab |
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| 19:40.24 | qwazix__ | oh, I always forget problems tab, I already installed it, let me remove it and check again |
| 19:40.40 | freemangordon | qwazix__: BTW you should have either KP or KCSSU flasher installed |
| 19:40.51 | freemangordon | otherwise it won't work |
| 19:41.00 | kerio | HAM has a weird thing where third-party packages can't depend on exact versions of packages listed in the metapackage |
| 19:41.20 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 19:41.37 | kerio | it can be ignored via redpill |
| 19:41.46 | qwazix__ | It's installed |
| 19:42.02 | qwazix__ | the flasher, that is |
| 19:42.47 | freemangordon | but you have problems installing bootimg? WTF? |
| 19:43.09 | qwazix__ | is waiting patiently for HAM to do whatever is doing |
| 19:43.17 | freemangordon | hehe |
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| 19:43.40 | vi__ | kerio: wtf, r u high? |
| 19:43.48 | freemangordon | qwazix__: though it should be a bit faster with -thumb you have installed |
| 19:43.55 | kerio | vi__: ? |
| 19:43.58 | kerio | why? |
| 19:44.45 | vi__ | qwazix__: I predict you will be waiting some time. |
| 19:44.53 | qwazix__ | yeah, it is much better, but with devel enabled it's still slow. I wonder if somebody has hidden code to compute fractals inside HAM |
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| 19:45.11 | kerio | apt 4 lyfe, yo |
| 19:45.56 | qwazix__ | the problems tab has the following extremely useful information |
| 19:46.29 | qwazix__ | Unable to install 'Linux kernel for Community SSU (boot image for u-boot and multiboot)' |
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| 19:46.45 | kerio | it's because the 3rd party policy is half-assed |
| 19:47.27 | qwazix__ | I'll upgrade to latest cssu-thumb and try again |
| 19:48.36 | qwazix__ | freemangordon, ^^ (problems tab) |
| 19:48.39 | vi__ | ham can suck my nuts. |
| 19:48.39 | vi__ | I must make a confession. |
| 19:48.39 | vi__ | I installed thumb by usihg apt. |
| 19:48.39 | vi__ | I know. |
| 19:48.39 | vi__ | I wish xterm worked properly. |
| 19:49.02 | freemangordon | qwazix__: yeah, saw it |
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| 19:49.13 | freemangordon | anything in the HAM log? |
| 19:49.33 | qwazix__ | where's the HAM log? |
| 19:49.41 | freemangordon | in the menu |
| 19:50.21 | qwazix__ | "Checking for updates, please wait"... |
| 19:50.35 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 19:54.22 | qwazix__ | Except the same error message about breaking 3rd party policy, there is a load of errors "Ignoring version from wrong domain: libsdl-mixer1.2 1:1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3 |
| 19:54.53 | freemangordon | qwazix__: hmm, something is wrong there |
| 19:55.30 | freemangordon | what does apt-get upgrade say? |
| 19:56.25 | freemangordon | BTW i'll try to install -bootimg on my seconde device, lets see hot it will go here |
| 19:56.34 | freemangordon | s/hot/how/ |
| 19:58.14 | qwazix__ | libqtm-12-whatever, libsdl-mixer1.2, mypaint, mad-developer kept back, mp-fremantle-community-pr, busybox power, dosfstools and some apps to be upgraded |
| 20:00.00 | qwazix__ | I'll upgrade cssu-thumb and try again after the upgrade |
| 20:00.08 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 20:02.32 | freemangordon | qwazix__: no problem here :( |
| 20:03.30 | qwazix__ | hmm, I had the same problem when trying to upgrade cssu-thumb, and removed bootimg by hand. DrFrostDk on tmo had the same problem IIRC |
| 20:03.56 | freemangordon | could it be libqtm? |
| 20:04.06 | qwazix__ | anyway, I can live with installing bootimg with apt-get, but I am curious if the same thing will happen next time I upgrade cssu-thumb |
| 20:04.14 | qwazix__ | possibly |
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| 20:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode |
| 20:04.50 | freemangordon | qwazix__: 5.1-thumb0 to 5.1-thumb1 should have no problems (and it does not have here) |
| 20:04.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I really missed it :-D |
| 20:05.19 | qwazix__ | It doesn't seem to have any problems here either. (without the bootimg) |
| 20:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, typing "matrix" into some URL, if that's not geeky then I dunno |
| 20:06.28 | qwazix__ | DocScrutinizer05, I missed it too especially after PR1.whatever where it was the only way for me to install debs outside of the repos (had no idea of dpkg then) |
| 20:06.49 | freemangordon | qwazix__: hmm, that is really strange. it could be that HAM plays it smart and tries to autoremove cssu-kernel-flasher. though i can see a reason why it want to do that, -bootomg does not provide kernel-feature-errata-... |
| 20:07.11 | freemangordon | *i can not see |
| 20:07.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the hackerbox is a lot geekier |
| 20:10.35 | qwazix__ | freemangordon, I am in thumb1 successfully, flasher is still installed, let's see what HAM says about bootimg |
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| 20:11.33 | kerio | "WARNING: Red Pill is not intended for use by users, power-users, nor the vast majority of developers. Red Pill mode is very likely to break your tablet and should not be used unless you know exactly what you are doing." |
| 20:11.42 | kerio | but rootsh is totally fine, isn't it |
| 20:12.31 | qwazix__ | kerio, I love the message that sudo gainroot spits out without rootsh installed... |
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| 20:22.32 | kerio | just optified /var/lib/apt and /var/lib/dpkg |
| 20:22.44 | kerio | 66MB free on rootfs |
| 20:22.59 | kerio | with a size of 228MB, so it's more like 80 |
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| 20:30.11 | qwazix__ | freemangordon, still not installable neither kcssu-bootimg, nor kp-bootimg |
| 20:30.46 | freemangordon | qwazix__: NFC :( |
| 20:30.59 | qwazix__ | it's probably some apt-spaghetti I've got on my device. Nevermind. |
| 20:31.12 | freemangordon | yeah |
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| 20:54.29 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 20:54.38 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
| 20:55.04 | freemangordon | do i need anything else installed besides hald-adon-bme and libbmeipc? |
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| 20:55.35 | freemangordon | to test libbmeipc and hald-... |
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| 20:56.38 | freemangordon | hmm, hald-addon-bme depends on libdsme0.2.0-dev. |
| 20:56.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, why aren't /var/lib/{apt|dpkg} optified by default? |
| 20:56.58 | freemangordon | kerio: they are |
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| 20:57.14 | freemangordon | at least /var/lib/apt |
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| 20:57.29 | kerio | freemangordon: no it's not |
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| 20:57.34 | kerio | not by default |
| 20:57.59 | freemangordon | apt -> /opt/var/lib/apt |
| 20:58.04 | kerio | yep |
| 20:58.10 | kerio | but i distinctly remember *making* that |
| 20:58.24 | freemangordon | this is on a freshly flashed device |
| 20:58.49 | kerio | are you sure? |
| 20:58.54 | kerio | :o |
| 20:59.18 | freemangordon | yes, I am, I flashed my second device 1-2 weeks ago |
| 20:59.40 | kerio | this is madness |
| 21:02.15 | freemangordon | kerio: NFC |
| 21:02.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: check iron900 pls |
| 21:02.53 | freemangordon | Pali: do i need anything else installed besides hald-adon-bme and libbmeipc? |
| 21:02.57 | freemangordon | the fuck |
| 21:02.57 | freemangordon | netsplit :) |
| 21:02.58 | kerio | freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenode |
| 21:02.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | yessir |
| 21:02.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | var/lib*pt optified |
| 21:03.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | var/lib/apt even |
| 21:03.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | cssu-t |
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| 21:04.47 | Pali | hm, why is IRC network acyclic? |
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| 21:05.36 | Pali | freemangordon, you need kernel-power from git |
| 21:05.51 | freemangordon | Pali: from git? |
| 21:05.51 | Pali | which provides kernel-feature-rx51-battery |
| 21:06.04 | Pali | yes, I did not rebuilded pre release yet |
| 21:06.06 | freemangordon | isn't the one in TMO thread ok? |
| 21:06.31 | Pali | missing provdes line in debian/control |
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| 21:06.33 | freemangordon | well, is it only the dependensy that is missing? |
| 21:06.41 | Pali | yes |
| 21:06.53 | freemangordon | i'll dpkg --force-depends it |
| 21:06.58 | Pali | ok |
| 21:07.01 | freemangordon | (or whatever the switch is ) |
| 21:07.25 | freemangordon | btw which package needs that? |
| 21:07.25 | vi__ | did anyone who has updated to flash10 have problems with no sound? |
| 21:07.25 | Pali | hald-addon-bme needs dsme library for compile |
| 21:07.25 | freemangordon | vi__: lots of people |
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| 21:07.35 | freemangordon | vi__: just increase the volume |
| 21:07.45 | freemangordon | Pali: ok |
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| 21:08.37 | Pali | there is also fake bme-rx-51 package which replace bme daemon |
| 21:08.43 | Pali | but it is not tested yet |
| 21:08.45 | freemangordon | Pali: do i need it? |
| 21:08.53 | freemangordon | ah, ok |
| 21:08.57 | Pali | for testing hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc not |
| 21:09.13 | freemangordon | Pali: how to restart hald-addon-bme? |
| 21:09.27 | freemangordon | I didn't find a way when I was playing with it :) |
| 21:09.31 | vi__ | freemangordon: I have done. On the flashplayer, globally, alsa, everywhere! |
| 21:09.32 | Pali | for testing you need to stop bme and manually load kernel modules |
| 21:09.42 | Pali | to restart hald-addon-bme use: |
| 21:09.51 | Pali | 0. stop hal |
| 21:09.52 | freemangordon | yes, but how to restart addon without reboot? |
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| 21:09.57 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:10.02 | Pali | 1. /etc/init.d/hal start |
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| 21:10.20 | Pali | wait |
| 21:10.28 | freemangordon | too late |
| 21:10.34 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 21:10.39 | Pali | stop hal must be called first |
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| 21:10.47 | Pali | but it only mark hal as stopped |
| 21:10.53 | Pali | in upstart |
| 21:11.04 | Pali | but it still running |
| 21:11.13 | freemangordon | so? killall hald? |
| 21:11.16 | Pali | so then you need to kill hal (all daemons) manually |
| 21:11.23 | Pali | ps | grep hal |
| 21:11.31 | Pali | and kill pids... |
| 21:11.41 | Pali | and then use only /etc/init.d/hal |
| 21:11.49 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:12.07 | Pali | do not use start|stop hal --> it is buggy and working only at startup |
| 21:12.51 | Pali | note that log file is still enabled and hald-addon-bme print it to /tmp/ |
| 21:12.59 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:13.15 | freemangordon | so I need bq_battery, bq_charger and rx51_battery? |
| 21:13.30 | Pali | yes |
| 21:14.09 | freemangordon | insmod: error inserting 'rx51_battery.ko': -1 File exists |
| 21:14.12 | freemangordon | ?!? |
| 21:14.41 | Pali | rx51_battery is loaded at startup |
| 21:14.46 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:14.52 | Pali | automatically, not blacklisted |
| 21:15.06 | Pali | use modprobe instead insmod |
| 21:15.15 | Pali | insmod did not loaded dependency modules |
| 21:15.18 | freemangordon | all is in place |
| 21:15.34 | freemangordon | power-supply is already loaded because of rx51_battery |
| 21:15.36 | Pali | modprobe also ignore loaded modules |
| 21:15.38 | Pali | ok |
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| 21:15.49 | freemangordon | anyway, everything is loaded |
| 21:15.54 | freemangordon | what now :D? |
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| 21:16.10 | Pali | replace hald-addon-bme |
| 21:16.13 | Pali | and restart hal |
| 21:16.16 | freemangordon | already did it |
| 21:16.22 | Pali | so it should work |
| 21:16.24 | freemangordon | and libbmeipc too |
| 21:16.35 | Pali | see lshal |
| 21:16.43 | Pali | check battery status menu applet |
| 21:16.49 | freemangordon | battery.reporting.design = 1303 |
| 21:17.07 | freemangordon | battery.charge_level.design = 5172 |
| 21:17.11 | Pali | check value against /sys/class/power_supply/... |
| 21:17.12 | freemangordon | ?!? |
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| 21:17.49 | Pali | give me output of uevent of power_supply drivers first |
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| 21:18.33 | freemangordon | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1554556 |
| 21:18.44 | freemangordon | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=1338750 |
| 21:18.49 | freemangordon | that is bq_battery |
| 21:19.04 | freemangordon | what else? |
| 21:19.06 | vi__ | turns out I went full retard. |
| 21:19.18 | vi__ | silent mode overides everything. |
| 21:19.25 | Pali | >> battery.reporting.design = 1303 << this is OK I belive |
| 21:19.29 | vi__ | but media player |
| 21:19.34 | vi__ | -_-' |
| 21:19.42 | kerio | *mafw |
| 21:19.48 | freemangordon | should be, this is standart Nokia battery |
| 21:19.57 | freemangordon | Pali: a typo "POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=chip bq24150a, revision 1.3, vender code 010" |
| 21:20.05 | freemangordon | in charger, "vender" |
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| 21:20.18 | Pali | it is not typo :D |
| 21:20.24 | Pali | Doc already reported it |
| 21:20.31 | freemangordon | what?!? |
| 21:20.32 | Pali | vender is correct too |
| 21:20.37 | Pali | see dict |
| 21:20.42 | freemangordon | the fuck :D:D:D |
| 21:20.46 | Pali | and in datasheet is used vender |
| 21:20.50 | freemangordon | ok,ok |
| 21:21.04 | Pali | so I wrote vender to driver |
| 21:21.43 | freemangordon | hmm, POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=39270 |
| 21:21.52 | freemangordon | is that 39mA? |
| 21:22.13 | Pali | which driver? |
| 21:22.18 | freemangordon | bq_battery |
| 21:22.26 | Pali | it could be |
| 21:22.46 | freemangordon | hmm, strange, I have only wifi connected |
| 21:23.10 | Pali | ah I see, battery.charge_level.design is number 1..8 for standard battery |
| 21:23.30 | Pali | ~5172/150 |
| 21:23.30 | infobot | 34.48 |
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| 21:23.44 | freemangordon | the fuck "HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered" :( |
| 21:23.57 | Pali | ~1338750/150000 |
| 21:23.57 | infobot | 8.925 |
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| 21:24.04 | Pali | ok |
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| 21:25.03 | Pali | freemangordon, I think I know where is problem |
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| 21:25.07 | freemangordon | Pali: I think it should be hardcoded to 8 |
| 21:25.19 | Pali | I think no |
| 21:25.32 | freemangordon | otherwise battery applet will be confused |
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| 21:26.48 | Pali | https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/README.properties#line85 |
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| 21:28.35 | freemangordon | Pali: ok, will see |
| 21:32.44 | freemangordon | Pali: battery.charge_level.current = 0 (0x0) (int) |
| 21:32.44 | freemangordon | Pali: how often is it polled? |
| 21:32.44 | freemangordon | 60sec? |
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| 21:32.44 | Pali | 30s |
| 21:32.44 | Pali | check log |
| 21:32.44 | Pali | cat /tmp/bme... |
| 21:32.44 | Pali | /tmp/hald-addon-bme.log |
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| 21:32.47 | freemangordon | log looks ok |
| 21:33.16 | freemangordon | but battery.charge_level.current = 0 (0x0) (int) |
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| 21:33.57 | Pali | capacity % ? |
| 21:34.15 | freemangordon | battery.charge_level.percentage = 0 (0x0) (int) |
| 21:34.28 | freemangordon | POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=84 |
| 21:34.49 | Pali | give me full output of hal bme properties (lshal -u /something/bme/...) and all 3 uevent files |
| 21:34.52 | Pali | to pastebin... |
| 21:34.58 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:35.16 | Pali | and also /tmp/hald-addon-bme.log |
| 21:36.25 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, which hal device? |
| 21:36.32 | freemangordon | bme? |
| 21:36.40 | freemangordon | aah, ny bad then :D |
| 21:36.44 | freemangordon | *my bad |
| 21:36.46 | Pali | some device which has bme substring |
| 21:37.54 | freemangordon | this one looks almos ok |
| 21:37.57 | freemangordon | *almost |
| 21:38.02 | freemangordon | besides: |
| 21:38.18 | freemangordon | battery.reporting.current = 1304 (0x518) (int) |
| 21:38.25 | freemangordon | battery.reporting.design = 1297 (0x511) (int) |
| 21:38.35 | freemangordon | but I think we can live with that |
| 21:39.20 | freemangordon | battery.charge_level.last_full = 10 (0xa) (int) |
| 21:39.30 | freemangordon | looks suspicios too |
| 21:40.16 | Pali | can you give me full output? |
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| 21:41.26 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/z5qY4gnL |
| 21:43.11 | freemangordon | Pali: what is the upper temp limit in rx51_battery? |
| 21:43.46 | Pali | 48°C |
| 21:43.57 | freemangordon | hmm, too low |
| 21:44.19 | freemangordon | we should cover at least 60-65 deg |
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| 21:44.39 | Pali | if value is low, then 49°C is reported |
| 21:45.02 | freemangordon | you mean if it is above 48? |
| 21:45.38 | Pali | if RAW value is too low, then 49°C is reported |
| 21:45.44 | freemangordon | but AIUI there is no way to trigger thermal shutdiwn if we report incorrect values |
| 21:46.06 | Pali | yes, we need some approximation formula |
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| 21:46.19 | Pali | but I did not implemented anything... |
| 21:46.30 | freemangordon | Pali: I sent it to you, do you keep it? |
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| 21:46.43 | freemangordon | 4th order polinomial |
| 21:46.44 | Pali | I do not have it |
| 21:46.47 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:47.19 | freemangordon | hmm, a better idea (doc will like it) |
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| 21:47.35 | Pali | https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/em_isi.h#line1566 |
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| 21:47.46 | Pali | seems that bars are really 1-8 |
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| 21:47.51 | Pali | I will change code |
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| 21:48.07 | freemangordon | i can use some 10th order polinomial to approximate range from -30-90 deg |
| 21:48.18 | freemangordon | gimme some toime, will pastebin the result |
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| 21:48.44 | freemangordon | -30 to 90 should be ok, ain't DocScrutinizer05? |
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| 21:52.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | friggin netsplits! |
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| 21:53.01 | Pali | but why it reported this??? battery.charge_level.design = 5172 |
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| 22:00.21 | Pali | freemangordon, can you upload also /tmp/ log file? |
| 22:00.41 | Pali | I'd like to know why it reported battery.charge_level.design = 5172 |
| 22:01.18 | freemangordon | will reboot, to remove the noise |
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| 22:05.16 | freemangordon | Pali: have in mind that was for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_rx51_battery |
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| 22:05.50 | Pali | ok |
| 22:06.15 | freemangordon | so it is something in rx51_battery driver |
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| 22:07.15 | freemangordon | though seems like uninitialized variable, there is no way you can know design capacity in rx51_... |
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| 22:15.16 | Pali | we can ignore /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_rx51_battery |
| 22:15.20 | freemangordon | Pali: is there any chance to get some measurement at lets say 55 deg? |
| 22:17.44 | Pali | freemangordon, we can patch twlmadc kernel driver to reported fixed RAW value (set from user space) |
| 22:17.44 | freemangordon | or even higher? |
| 22:17.44 | Pali | and then ask BME for converted temperature |
| 22:17.44 | freemangordon | hmm, yes, you are right |
| 22:17.44 | freemangordon | no need to do approximation then |
| 22:17.44 | Pali | yes |
| 22:17.44 | Pali | but it needs to turn off some mce/dsme/... protection |
| 22:17.44 | freemangordon | the problem is that depending on ppolinomial order, I get too different values above 64 deg |
| 22:18.23 | Pali | freemangordon, I can ask bme devs (again) how to use this API: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/bmeisa.h#line115 |
| 22:18.28 | freemangordon | well, no need, once we have more points, the approximation should be correct to lets say 80 deg. that should be pretty enough for all practical purposes |
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| 22:19.11 | Pali | BME sent me some data for ADCIN0 struct bmeisa_adc_cal_data |
| 22:19.26 | Pali | but I do not know which union is used |
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| 22:19.50 | Pali | and what that bmeisa_adc_*_conv_cal_par_t means... |
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| 22:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, I just met a RL troll |
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| 22:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | (entering troll mode myself) WTF is fixed RAW value |
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| 22:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope you still have the pastebin URL of my freezer enterprise |
| 22:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I really think there's no use in any nifty polinomail formula since we got a LUT anyway |
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| 22:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | a LUT with *for sure* less than 150 tuples |
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| 22:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 * int16 |
| 22:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you basically can't implement any decent polinomial in that number of bytes |
| 22:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you need values for 50, 60 , even 90°C, just take a sheet of paper and extrapolate the curve strictily human-manually |
| 22:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) we're not interested in precise absolute values |
| 22:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | b) there's a noise of like +/-4°C anyway |
| 22:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | c) if anybody comes claiming we needed a globaly applicable formula, I just answer it's nonsense, since the coefficients for that formula need to come fom board parameter file just same way the 150 tuples for LUT have to |
| 22:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, there's absolutely no need to calculate any nonsense like sensor current or whatever |
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| 22:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh we could as well get away with just THREE tuples in LUT: <less-than-raw-input-a> -> "too cold" -> 0°K;<raw-input->a<b> -> "it's fucking alright" -> 290°K; <more-than-raw-input-b> -> "too hot" -> 400°K; |
| 22:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | where "too cold" is like -25°C, and "too hot" is like 70°C |
| 22:38.12 | GGon | http://www.ipazzport.com/18BR.html |
| 22:38.13 | GGon | nice |
| 22:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing else matters |
| 22:38.23 | GGon | looks like the n900 keypad heh |
| 22:38.51 | GGon | so that's what nokia did with all those spare parts! |
| 22:38.53 | GGon | :) |
| 22:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually make that TWO tuples, since it's just 3 ranges |
| 22:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 of them open |
| 22:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes 2 borders aka tuples in LUT |
| 22:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | GGon: I pretty much wish my N900 had THAT keymat |
| 22:43.33 | GGon | heh |
| 22:43.48 | GGon | well yeah. it has the F keys |
| 22:43.52 | GGon | and esc ;) |
| 22:44.03 | GGon | caps and tab too heh |
| 22:44.16 | GGon | nokia should make a wp phone with that :-P |
| 22:44.32 | Pali | here is BME output for temperature adcin calibration data: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/bmemsg.h#line335 |
| 22:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware keymat is one coherent component, are you? |
| 22:44.33 | Pali | 0x05 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x64 0x00 0x34 0x0d 0x2a 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 |
| 22:45.03 | GGon | one coheren component? |
| 22:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: sorry, friend. I'm too grumpy right now to even comment on that |
| 22:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | GGon: one fsckng sheet of plastic |
| 22:46.21 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, seems like some coefficient, not LUT :( |
| 22:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 22:46.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it looks like cell's last cheers and moans |
| 22:47.21 | Pali | here is union: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/bmeisa.h#line115 |
| 22:47.31 | GGon | DocScrutinizer05: meh.. i want it for xmbc ;) |
| 22:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I offer a bet about 12 bottles Klipshift that there's no calibration data for R1110 |
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| 22:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's plain silly to calibrate such a component, with THAT amount of noise |
| 22:49.10 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: AIUI we are trying to understand what BME does |
| 22:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I've always seem *multiple* BME records in CAL |
| 22:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: maybe you do, I always stated we better refuse to even look at bme since it can't get worse than that |
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| 22:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | search chanlogs foe "<DocScrutinizer> NOOO, pretty please DO NOT disclose BME sourcecode! We don't want to see it!" |
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| 22:51.22 | freemangordon | Pali: hacking adc raw in twl seems the best option, we'll directly get LUT |
| 22:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hacking WUT? |
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| 22:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | faking raw register readouts? |
| 22:52.08 | Pali | ok |
| 22:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | congrats! |
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| 22:52.22 | Pali | I wrote this more times! |
| 22:52.26 | freemangordon | <Pali> freemangordon, we can patch twlmadc kernel driver to reported fixed RAW value (set from user space) |
| 22:52.28 | freemangordon | yes |
| 22:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF!!! is a "fixed RAW value"??? |
| 22:52.59 | Pali | you tell driver some fixed value |
| 22:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's nonsense |
| 22:53.06 | Pali | and driver will report it |
| 22:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, ok |
| 22:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nm |
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| 22:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought you gonna "fix" the raw values reported |
| 22:53.54 | freemangordon | Pali: seems charging works too, though I would not leave it overnight :D |
| 22:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it doesn't work |
| 22:54.33 | freemangordon | did I ask something? |
| 22:54.42 | freemangordon | Pali: POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=-426793 |
| 22:54.57 | Pali | its ok |
| 22:55.08 | Pali | when charging it reports negatove value |
| 22:55.18 | freemangordon | I know, i wonder about the value |
| 22:55.28 | freemangordon | isn't that like 500mA? |
| 22:55.44 | Pali | -426.793mA |
| 22:55.56 | freemangordon | connected to wall charger? |
| 22:56.05 | freemangordon | looks bad to me |
| 22:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good |
| 22:56.21 | freemangordon | isn't that supposed to be something like >800mA |
| 22:56.41 | Pali | it is from bq27200 chip |
| 22:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | *burp* |
| 22:57.14 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 22:57.29 | freemangordon | seems I have to take some sleep :D |
| 22:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_discharge_learn_log |
| 22:57.56 | freemangordon | we should not overcharge(overcurrent) the battery |
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| 22:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_microcycle_log |
| 22:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY?! |
| 23:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | pshshst! maybe you missed it: **we can't really overcurrent the battery!** |
| 23:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | since bq24150 doesn't provide more than 0.9C |
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| 23:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.8? |
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| 23:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and thanks bq24150 we also can't really severely overvolt the battery |
| 23:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I posted same statement some 30 months ago, and nobody except ShadowJK and SpeedEvil understood |
| 23:03.36 | Pali | freemangordon, I pushed hald-addon-bme change which fix max number of bars to 8 |
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| 23:04.11 | freemangordon | Pali: ok, will test it tomorrow, going to bed now :) |
| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably also a board parameter X-P |
| 23:04.18 | Pali | ok |
| 23:05.18 | freemangordon | night |
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