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| 05:50.28 | kerio | oh joy, i've got phantom "birthday" entries in my calendar :( |
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| 07:49.32 | kerio | ah fuck, after syncing i have no birthdays in the calendar at all |
| 07:49.33 | kerio | wtf |
| 07:49.36 | kerio | i don't even |
| 07:50.10 | kerio | meh |
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| 10:06.13 | Pali | Hi, I need flashing output dumps from flasher-3.5. I'm rewriting 0xFFFF code and I need to understand NOLO protocol. See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86969 |
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| 10:07.15 | Pali | If somebody will need to flash N900 (on linux), please use ld preload library from that thread. It write to stdout some control informations |
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| 10:55.03 | kerio | does anyone here use yappari? |
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| 12:36.08 | Canseco | anybody compiled last nmap or p0f for Maemo5? |
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| 13:38.57 | Hurrian | >mfw Flash 10 for Maemo leaked |
| 13:39.09 | Hurrian | I've definitely been out of the Fremantle forum way too long. |
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| 13:42.47 | Hurrian | speaking of which, mods, if you're awake, please change the Flash 10 megathread's title! |
| 13:43.04 | Lava_Croft | the flash thread is awesome |
| 13:43.18 | Lava_Croft | 50+ pages about a seriously horrible piece of software that most people hate deeply |
| 13:46.03 | Hurrian | Lava_Croft, true, but some people need it for some other horrible POS web app. |
| 13:46.17 | Hurrian | fortunately, it's mostly considered "deprecated" nowadays |
| 13:46.18 | Lava_Croft | if your webapp requires flash, you should find another one |
| 13:51.56 | RST38h | Scheduled to be released next month, Ubuntu 12.10 now includes both Amazon ads in the user's dash and by default an amazon store in the user's launcher. |
| 13:52.01 | RST38h | ROTFLs |
| 13:52.15 | RST38h | Canonical is 'confident it will be an interesting and useful feature for our 12.10 users.' |
| 13:52.41 | RST38h | suspects that by "users" they mean Amazon |
| 13:54.20 | Lava_Croft | RST38h: :) |
| 13:54.40 | Lava_Croft | Another reason to just use Windows7 |
| 13:54.53 | lokimotive | riiight |
| 13:54.56 | RST38h | not really |
| 13:55.04 | Canseco | hope Kubuntu guys don't do the same |
| 13:55.05 | Hurrian | use another distro, perhaps? |
| 13:55.24 | lokimotive | time to switch to gentoo :-) |
| 13:55.26 | Lava_Croft | i love my wintoon :< |
| 13:56.00 | Lava_Croft | better said, i love my games, which makes me have to love windows:| |
| 13:56.24 | Canseco | i love my 58 games on Linux too, ;) |
| 13:56.33 | lokimotive | nethack ftw |
| 13:56.43 | Lava_Croft | nethack got boring over 10years ago |
| 13:57.01 | lokimotive | impossible |
| 13:57.14 | Lava_Croft | nethack wasnt that great anyway |
| 13:57.20 | Lava_Croft | i enjoy adom and doomrl much more |
| 13:57.41 | lokimotive | but you can't die by falling down stairs in those |
| 13:57.56 | Lava_Croft | i can do that irl |
| 13:58.00 | Lava_Croft | dont need a game for that |
| 13:58.25 | RST38h | doomrl = Doom in Real Life |
| 13:58.27 | RST38h | ? |
| 13:58.32 | Lava_Croft | DOOM the Rogue Like |
| 13:58.38 | RST38h | omg |
| 13:58.40 | Lava_Croft | pretty neato roguelike |
| 13:58.51 | Lava_Croft | http://doom.chaosforge.org/ |
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| 13:59.11 | Lava_Croft | they even have sprite gfx nowadays! |
| 14:00.49 | lokimotive | i think i'll stick with my little @ |
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| 14:03.09 | Lava_Croft | your little @ is used in just about any roguelike:) |
| 14:03.11 | Lava_Croft | also doomrl:) |
| 14:04.49 | lokimotive | nah because you said the even have sprite gfx |
| 14:05.24 | Lava_Croft | yes, nethack does too |
| 14:05.29 | Lava_Croft | its a matter of choice and preference |
| 14:05.35 | lokimotive | of course it is |
| 14:06.03 | lokimotive | just as it is which rogue-like you play |
| 14:06.19 | Lava_Croft | no, people that play nethack are really inferior |
| 14:06.25 | Lava_Croft | ;) |
| 14:06.26 | lokimotive | lol |
| 14:07.15 | Lava_Croft | http://doom.chaosforge.org/images/12.png |
| 14:07.19 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 14:07.48 | lokimotive | fancy |
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| 15:00.44 | pdanek | Hello, is there easy Wifi tethering solution for N900? |
| 15:00.57 | pdanek | I found JoikuSpot, but it's paid. |
| 15:01.01 | freemangordon | qmobilehotspot? |
| 15:01.30 | freemangordon | you'll need kernel-power though |
| 15:01.59 | pdanek | is it in repos? qmobilehotspot? |
| 15:02.16 | freemangordon | yes |
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| 15:31.52 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1270647#post1270647 # Wanna join !n950club for only +2500 EUR ? #MeeGo #HarmattaN #n950 #MerProject |
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| 15:56.25 | Wizzup | Hm... The latest update of cssu wants me to connect to the pc suite to update |
| 15:57.06 | Wizzup | updates cssu enabler first |
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| 16:16.39 | Wizzup | Think I figured it out |
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| 16:50.36 | andre__ | Wizzup, install the Operator thingy first, then it works |
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| 16:56.29 | Wizzup | andre__: yeah, I found that under the ``problems'' tab after some googling :) |
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| 18:03.34 | ShadowJK | Testing new Nokia BL-5J 1400-something mAh claimed. So far battery internal resistance feels disappoitnig, capacity might be as claimed though |
| 18:05.36 | ShadowJK | Low IR is mostly interesting for faster charge times :) |
| 18:11.15 | myuu__ | what is the capacity? |
| 18:11.26 | myuu__ | *supposed |
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| 18:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: low Z also interesting for usable capacity on heavy load, like during phone call |
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| 18:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, that's a known symptom. Higher capacity on same volume usually also means higher Z |
| 18:26.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the higher capacity easily might turn into opposite on high load |
| 18:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: see goldcaps where that's obvious. The capacitors in Farad range usually have Z in the range of hundereds of Ohms |
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| 18:42.22 | ShadowJK | But Japod has highest capacity I've encountered so far, AND lowest Z |
| 18:45.12 | ShadowJK | In other news, the battery of my SmartQ7 seems dead |
| 18:47.53 | ShadowJK | too long empty i guess |
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| 19:07.04 | gomiam | probably old question, but I haven't been able to find a definite answer. My n900 "randomly" (not really that randomly, but I haven't been able to pinpoint it yet) loses connection to my GSM card... |
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| 19:07.50 | gomiam | hints about an once-and-for-all solution? (besides "don't use it", if possible :) |
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| 19:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: alas this usually is a symptom of a hw defect |
| 19:15.10 | gomiam | I feared that |
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| 19:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course I suggest to reflash a clean PR1.3 and run it without any additional apps installed for several days, to verify it's not sw caused |
| 19:16.01 | gomiam | the forums I read talked about pushing it with some kind of rubber... |
| 19:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | BS |
| 19:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind |
| 19:16.21 | gomiam | I will have to try flashing it, just in case |
| 19:16.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's hw, then it's soldering or bonding of BB5 cellmo chip |
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| 19:17.08 | gomiam | o-u-c-h :) |
| 19:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | applying random force to the whole PCB (mainboard) can change symptoms a bit, but not for long and not always to the better |
| 19:17.25 | gomiam | thanks for the info :) |
| 19:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 19:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry though |
| 19:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | resoldering chip might help, if you can get access to proper SMT reflow workstation, or want to go the extremist way of DIY reflow in oven |
| 19:18.41 | gomiam | don't be, I knew this could happen. |
| 19:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you'll kill the device completely during such enterprise |
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| 19:19.30 | gomiam | Fortunately I still have my previous phone handy if I don't manage to fix this issue. |
| 19:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to set up a wiki page "Symptom: SIM crossed out", and list all aggregated knowledge about the reported cases by ShadowJK and others |
| 19:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil also, irrc |
| 19:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc* |
| 19:21.01 | gomiam | it might be a good idea |
| 19:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: anyway, clean your SIM contacts (sometimes dirt on contacts causes similar symptom) |
| 19:22.05 | gomiam | will do, too |
| 19:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes ure the contact springs in holder look "normal" and equally positioned |
| 19:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure* |
| 19:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | press keyboard firmly (ask SpeedEvil (iirc) about where to press exactly), it's been reported to instantly induce change in SIM detection state |
| 19:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | check syslog/dmesg for cmt messages |
| 19:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | try talking to modem when it says "SIM not present": start pnatd, enter " AT<enter>" should answer with "OK" |
| 19:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't, you probably have a dead modem |
| 19:25.53 | gomiam | I was checking dmesg but found nothing... then again, I probably should test it a few more times :) |
| 19:26.17 | gomiam | fortunately it seems to work... if I handle it with care :) |
| 19:26.24 | gomiam | until it stops working, of course |
| 19:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | any mechanical effects to "SIM missing" are a strong indicator of usual chip-soldering hw defect |
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| 19:27.53 | gomiam | btw, all screws in a N900 are supposed to be Torx, right? |
| 19:28.08 | gomiam | (all the screws that keep it together, I mean) |
| 19:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, there's also a small chance that a waek and worn-out battery (or dirty battery contacts) may cause modem resets and dropouts |
| 19:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, only the two that keep kbd frame in place are TX-6 |
| 19:28.41 | gomiam | ah, ok |
| 19:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | other are philips |
| 19:28.52 | gomiam | I'm used to tinkering with my N800s.. |
| 19:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 19:28.54 | gomiam | :) |
| 19:29.09 | gomiam | that matches what I see right now |
| 19:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | get L1_2 |
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| 19:29.59 | gomiam | fortunately I have a "weird screw heads" box and a "precision screws box" |
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| 19:54.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, the RE components BOM lists >>Main PCB, Bottom User Interface Battery Rechargeable 1 Seiko Instruments XH414H Battery - XH-HG Capacitor, 3.3V, 0.08F, Button Type, , w/ Integral Battery Contacts + XH414H + SII JAPAN 2 4.80 1.40 Visit URL<< for bupbat |
| 19:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Nokia_N900_Mobile_Phone-whatsinside_text-90.aspx |
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| 19:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, because I hoped the problem with bupbat was caused by Nokia using the LiIon type and you could use the capacitive type to get a better MTBF than the obviously common <12months |
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| 20:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, even iSuppli might be wrong. AFAIK there's no proper label on the bupbat |
| 20:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | If nokia was a tad more community-oriented and openminded, we just could ask them what's the actual brand&type of bupbat used in N900, but nokia isn't even able to "disclose" resistance in Ohms of a single resistor |
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| 20:33.58 | Skry | DocScrutinizer05: nothing against suse, have the least experience about it regarding "the big ones" so can't say anything about it. |
| 20:34.29 | Skry | my basis of recommending mint is based on my experiences of recommending it to newcomers |
| 20:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 20:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think mist is mainly focused on stability and security |
| 20:36.14 | Skry | even though I try to leave recommending anything to others as my expectations of a good distribution (be it ease of use or stability) might differ dramatically from someones who is coming from windows |
| 20:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | mint even |
| 20:38.34 | Skry | it's focused on simplicity |
| 20:38.38 | Skry | i guess |
| 20:39.09 | Skry | or should i say end user experience |
| 20:40.04 | dafox | hi all. Does anyone know if yappari (the whatsapp client) is in any repo (or why it doesn't seem to be)? Also any impressions (how well does it work) would be much appreciated :) |
| 20:41.39 | Skry | aaaand me had wrong channel :) |
| 20:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well openSuse is basicaly the community backport plus new development of the SLED mission critical grade distro, and of course it comes with commercial grade administration tools |
| 20:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: (wrong chan) not really. The other one been way more wrong chan ;-) |
| 20:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not that it was exactly on topic here either) |
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| 20:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafox: nfc about wutsap or whatever the name, nor about any of the clones |
| 20:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only know it's a quite likely a pretty poor concept and a poor idea to use it |
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| 20:46.47 | dafox | DocScrutinizer05: why do you think it's a poor concept? |
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| 20:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | since all I heard about it indicates it's a third rehash of VoIP |
| 20:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse than skype |
| 20:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure not as free (in beer) as you love to think |
| 20:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it ripps off all your private data afaik |
| 20:49.37 | dafox | DocScrutinizer05: I think you may be thinking about skype? whatsapp is the sms-over-wifi type thing |
| 20:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty much the same, no? |
| 20:50.18 | dafox | not really, one is voice, one is text messages |
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| 20:50.33 | dafox | both are 'cheating' the network operators |
| 20:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no free-of-charge SMS sending, and if this particular service doesn't charge you in money, they will charge you in some other currency |
| 20:51.33 | beford | its only a modified jabber protocol |
| 20:51.41 | dafox | DocScrutinizer05: I don't really know how it's all sponsored, I think on android its ad-driven |
| 20:51.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually in getting your valuable private data, inspecting your SMS/IM content, whatnot else |
| 20:51.44 | beford | they dont send sms, you need to use internet access |
| 20:52.31 | dafox | anyhow, lots of people around me use it, and I heard someone made a n900 version, so I thought it might be nice to have, as an addition to regular sms (since they seem to use it quite a bit) |
| 20:55.35 | fizzie | Isn't it just an IM thing? From what I recall from one whatsapp reverse-engineering page, it's just XMPP with a funky proprietary space-saving encoding (called "FunXMPP") and presumably some extensions (and more proprietary fluff for registration and so on). There were quite a few people hoping (unsuccessfully) to get support for it in libpurple. |
| 20:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there've been texting services around since ages, and they either plainly say they're making their money by adding ads to each message you send via that service, or they charge you in money though less than what a standard GSM SMS handled by your carrier would cost. And then there's *real* jabber, and IRC, and whatnot else, and of course SIP INFO messaging |
| 20:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see why I would want to use some BS mutation of jabber, and disclose my real phonenumber plus additional privacy data to them |
| 20:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, google mail is terrible enough with their scanning of all my mail content and analyzing my habits based on what they can deduce from my mails. That's why I don't use gmail. Why would I use watsap which is doing even worse? |
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| 21:12.03 | Skry | DocScrutinizer05: true, somewhat offtopic indeed but it's nice to have some at times |
| 21:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<dafox> both are 'cheating' the network operators)) No, actually I think they're cheating on their customers, by making them think those could get something for free while they had to pay for same service with their network-operator aka provider aka carrier |
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| 21:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | in fact the custumer pays as well when using whatsap etc, just those cheaters don't admit that. You however can calculate what's the real monetary value of the info/data those cheaters collect about their customers |
| 21:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it usually turns out tthat in the end you (the customer) pay *more* with those cheaters than you'd do with your network provider |
| 21:25.55 | beford | the server is only free 1 year, after that is 0.99 /year i believe |
| 21:26.10 | beford | not sure how much can they make with that |
| 21:27.28 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: just get Google Apps for Businesses. $50 a year, and no scanning. |
| 21:27.56 | teotwaki | You can use a @gmail address or @whateverdomainyou'retheproudownerof.com |
| 21:29.32 | teotwaki | And regarding WhatsApp, they just put stupid messaging in a nice wrapper, and marketed it to the young hip crowds. "Free messaging, images and file transfer for you and your buddies" |
| 21:29.41 | teotwaki | They were smart, nothing more to it. |
| 21:30.56 | teotwaki | Most of us here know there's no such thing as a free lunch. Let those who can convince people of that fact make the money they want. |
| 21:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: probably you're right, I should listen to FZ:"SON OF ORANGE COUNTY" and not try to save the world |
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| 21:36.17 | teotwaki | You won't save the world by bitching and moaning in a dead IRC channel. |
| 21:36.46 | teotwaki | Face it, the people who are still here already have a vested interest in Free Software---it's like preaching to the choir. |
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| 21:42.35 | dafox | pretty much every 'free' service does that, tries to create a 'profile' and target ads or sell it to someone else, that's just the way it is nowadays. Regardless it would be nice to communicate with friends and family using the same 'app', if possible. However if it's only free for one year I don't know if it's really worth the effort |
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| 22:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chaninfo |
| 22:59.27 | infobot | 125/125 channels, 4831 users, 3444 unique: #debian/1162, #kde/353, #maemo/258, #gsoc/200, #asterisk/176, #meego/174, #harmattan/173, #wowuidev/153, #oe/129, #wowace/125, #wowhead/101, #webos-internals/100, #arm-netbook/94, #openmoko/87, #utah/70, #openmoko-cdevel/62, #edev/61, #uclibc/61, #n9/59, #bzflag/56, #curseforge/52, #asterisk-dev/51, #maemo-ssu/51, #qi-hardware/51, #tomcat/50, #htc-linux/49, #sc2mapster/47, #cubieboard/40, #/38, ... |
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| 22:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | rank #3 after #debian and #kde I wouldn't call "dead channel" |
| 23:07.49 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: those are channels with infobot on it |
| 23:08.28 | teotwaki | just #freenode and #ubuntu make us 5th place, DocScrutinizer05. |
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| 23:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: I'm aware this is a infobot-POV. On freenode at large, #maemo is on rank #79 in a list of 12108 channels |
| 23:55.01 | dafox | well, what percentage of n900 owners is that then? |
| 23:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | 98 |
