| 00:01.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | this poor guy probably would invite you to his wedding for providing a way to restore CAL |
| 00:02.10 | robbiethe1st | What's the problem - lock code? |
| 00:02.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | also interesting: mtd_debug (binary) |
| 00:03.40 | robbiethe1st | Wouldn't it be possible to just make a backup through root terminal mode which is available now? |
| 00:03.45 | robbiethe1st | (of CAL that is) |
| 00:03.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | nandtester's problem? he nuked cal |
| 00:04.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: i guess yes as long as nanddump available |
| 00:04.49 | robbiethe1st | Just thinking, for nandtester |
| 00:05.02 | robbiethe1st | get someone else to make a backup, upload to the web... |
| 00:05.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | actuelly CAL backup/restore doesn't depend on BM |
| 00:05.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | (backup) to be found on my server |
| 00:06.03 | robbiethe1st | You've got a nanddump up there or...? |
| 00:06.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | a cal dump |
| 00:06.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | some |
| 00:06.43 | robbiethe1st | cool |
| 00:07.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | yaknow I dont giva fsck about 'UUUH my IMEI!!" |
| 00:08.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | IMEI are two dozen a penny |
| 00:08.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | so are MAC |
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| 00:12.48 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer you should make a blog or reading list for people |
| 00:12.54 | internetishard | you've a website? |
| 00:13.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah |
| 00:13.48 | internetishard | Remember our conversation on consmology? |
| 00:14.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | I got almost 300 victims here ;-P |
| 00:15.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure I remember |
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| 00:15.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | remembering id my toolset for what I'm doing here |
| 00:16.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | they already called me DocWiki |
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| 00:23.21 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer what are your primary interests? |
| 00:23.34 | internetishard | I think you could be one of those people who help us get the next n900 |
| 00:23.49 | internetishard | I'm signing up to be the guy who networks the contacts you need to make it happen |
| 00:24.18 | internetishard | With todays processes - and the right people - one could put together an open source hardware snapdraggon awesome phone |
| 00:25.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | google for gta04, /join #jollamobile and tell them they need me ;-) |
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| 00:28.08 | SpeedEvil | internetishard: open source hardware is hard, |
| 00:28.39 | SpeedEvil | http://WWW.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.text |
| 00:29.05 | SpeedEvil | txt |
| 00:29.44 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt |
| 00:30.14 | internetishard | ah, I don't mean open source hardware like that. I mean form a company that makes money off selling it just like the other HW makers |
| 00:30.36 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer doesn't openmoko want you?? |
| 00:30.48 | SpeedEvil | open moko is dead |
| 00:31.02 | internetishard | well he mentioned gta04 - tell them they need me... |
| 00:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've been vice head of hw development in openmoko |
| 00:36.13 | internetishard | really? what are your ambitions? |
| 00:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | (new) gta04 is made by goldelico (with a little help from me) |
| 00:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | gta04.org |
| 00:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jolla is the nokia-maemo-subdivision-ressurrected |
| 00:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | they told they want to ship first device end of this year, so they already missted the point when they should've hired me |
| 00:39.59 | internetishard | why wouldn't they? |
| 00:40.01 | internetishard | just lack of funds, right? |
| 00:40.33 | internetishard | I believe there is an industry out there big enough to find a cutting edge HW device that would run a real open linux distro |
| 00:40.41 | SpeedEvil | likely someone's got candidate hardware in mind. |
| 00:40.44 | internetishard | and would want all sorts of sensors and modular HW |
| 00:40.55 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 00:41.23 | SpeedEvil | I wish I'd written down my 'modularity is hard' ant |
| 00:41.28 | SpeedEvil | rant |
| 00:41.35 | internetishard | no, I get that |
| 00:41.45 | internetishard | making a galaxy and iphone is hard too |
| 00:41.52 | internetishard | I'm just saying there is an industry out there |
| 00:42.00 | internetishard | I think if the right peopel were together and they marketed it correctly |
| 00:42.04 | internetishard | it could self sustain |
| 00:42.19 | internetishard | and actually be decent in supported tech vs the modern smartphones |
| 00:43.11 | SpeedEvil | you need several million dollars per model of cutting edge he |
| 00:43.17 | SpeedEvil | hardware |
| 00:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, there's a plethora of nice hw, ready to buy. What you need is an OS for it, and no company is going to build a hw to support a yet-to-develop OS |
| 00:44.21 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 00:45.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested to Nokia to sell their phones dual-OS, maybe 3 years ago. Sell them with primary OS being sybian/windoze/whatever, plus proper board-support-package to allow community to port linux to it |
| 00:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | this will blow android shit outa the water |
| 00:46.04 | robbiethe1st | Couldn't you do the same with some Chinese vendor? |
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| 00:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 00:46.27 | robbiethe1st | Just deal with them, they provide the OEM device, you the software, they sell sw-less devices |
| 00:46.30 | SpeedEvil | Chinese vendors have massive cultural problems with open source |
| 00:46.48 | robbiethe1st | Can't be any worse than US vendors... |
| 00:46.57 | SpeedEvil | many do not comply with existing legal requirements - GPL. |
| 00:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | believe me, it is |
| 00:47.04 | SpeedEvil | oh yes, it can. |
| 00:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bought a cheesy lil featurephone noname, with linux on it, some 4 years ago. Goldelico managed to get some 5 from China. It had no shell, no sourcecode provided, nuttin |
| 00:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so despite it's linux, it's just as bad as any random proprietary crap for me |
| 00:49.33 | robbiethe1st | I'd expect you'd have to go to the mfgr /first/ and deal with whoever is willing to deal with you on your terms. |
| 00:49.41 | robbiethe1st | Like the allwinner cpu-card folks did |
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| 00:53.05 | robbiethe1st | So... speaking of closed source, is anyone else waiting for Steam on Linux? |
| 00:54.50 | SpeedEvil | the last game I purchased was angry birds space. |
| 00:56.10 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer05: I think you just need to find the right people. When you get them in the same place, they'll: find the demand and niches for a quality linux phone |
| 00:56.35 | internetishard | this might need to start in india or somewhere, but I think it could just as easily start in the bay area (where I live) |
| 00:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | there were such meetings. goldelico resulted from it |
| 00:56.50 | internetishard | I was part of a startup that built it's own touch screen device in under a year with 15 people |
| 00:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather: gta04 resulted from it |
| 00:57.09 | internetishard | sure sure, and that's fine and dandy |
| 00:57.14 | internetishard | but it's no android alternative |
| 00:57.50 | internetishard | One can go much further in that direction. |
| 00:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think Nikolaus did it with as little as 50k€ so far, plus tousands of hours of his work |
| 00:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no venture capital |
| 00:58.43 | internetishard | A 20 person startup could do it by getting together the people with money who aren't satisfied by android, iOS, or blackberry - and finding mutualistic solutions |
| 00:59.10 | internetishard | That's one possible route, but I do think there is plenty of capital for such a project. |
| 00:59.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, we'll follow |
| 00:59.20 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer05 where do you live? |
| 00:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | D |
| 00:59.29 | internetishard | I've my own startup to deal with, but I love connecting people? |
| 00:59.35 | internetishard | Detroit? |
| 00:59.44 | internetishard | ? -> ! :P |
| 00:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | de_DE |
| 01:00.15 | internetishard | Are you natively german? |
| 01:00.23 | internetishard | I used to live in Stockholm |
| 01:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 01:00.35 | internetishard | Knowing the culture helps me connect people :) |
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| 01:01.07 | internetishard | I'm trying to think of who might be hurting for a smartphone platform more than anyone else... Who would be the most driven... |
| 01:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I talked with Raster, with Nikolaus from Goldelico, with those french guys from bearstech |
| 01:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | with Wolfgang Spraul, Wernr Almesberger |
| 01:01.55 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer05, wouldn't this theoretical platform eventually be able to run iOS and Android apps in VMs? |
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| 01:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | iOS hardly, Android why not |
| 01:02.52 | internetishard | hmm, well I run OSX VMs on linux boxes (against the license agreement, but it works fine) |
| 01:03.27 | robbiethe1st | internetishard, what's your touchscreen device if I may ask? |
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| 01:03.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | OSX is supposed to run on ISAish hw |
| 01:04.08 | internetishard | robbiethe1st: I've probably fucked around on IRC too much to be an official employee on here |
| 01:04.18 | internetishard | but it's in the "mobile health" arena ;) |
| 01:04.23 | robbiethe1st | oh |
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| 05:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl |
| 05:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | tough times need tough men ;-) |
| 05:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, 244 users. Feels like new all time low |
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| 05:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | MWKN: is that kippit.com or klippit.com now? |
| 05:29.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Klippr is a meego client for Klippt.com. With http://kippt.com you can ...<< |
| 05:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, even kippt |
| 05:32.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 05:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Klippr - N9 client for link organiser, kippit.com \\ Martin Borho has released a new app, Klippr. Klippr is a meego client for Klippt.com. With http://kippt.com you can organize, archive and search your links. It features also a "Read Later" option, similar to instapaper or others.<< |
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| 12:02.33 | kerio | yo deepy |
| 12:02.38 | kerio | deepy: anything new? |
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| 12:20.14 | dump_01 | Hi ppl! Request to porters: please port this http://zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ application to maemo, it is bash script that uses gpg2, git and tree programs to manage passwords localy and remotely. |
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| 12:21.59 | dump_01 | It works with a directory containing encripted data files. also syncronisation to remote server can be done with git. Very usefull |
| 12:23.06 | kerio | dump_01: hmm |
| 12:23.15 | kerio | dump_01: have you tried... installing it? |
| 12:24.20 | dump_01 | kerio: no but i have no dough i can do it |
| 12:24.43 | kerio | i mean, are the dependencies in the repos already? |
| 12:25.23 | dump_01 | kerio: not sure |
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| 12:26.18 | dump_01 | dependencies are (as i can see): git(core), gpg2 and tree |
| 12:26.48 | kerio | hm |
| 12:26.55 | kerio | git-core is there, gnupg is at 1.4.6 |
| 12:26.59 | kerio | tree is ok |
| 12:27.02 | kerio | there's no pwgen and no xclip |
| 12:28.56 | dump_01 | xclip is an option |
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| 12:36.27 | dump_01 | kerio: is it possible as for you? |
| 12:38.08 | kerio | dump_01: not with the deb, sadly |
| 12:38.16 | kerio | unmet deps |
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| 12:45.19 | dump_01 | strings /dev/urandom | grep -o ':alnum:' | head -n 30 | tr -d '\n'; echo |
| 12:45.25 | dump_01 | may be we can replce pwgen with something else? even with `openssl rand -base64 8` |
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| 13:32.06 | kerio | fun fact: a 7zipped full mame romset for mame 0.147 weighs 28GB |
| 13:32.24 | kerio | and 28gb fits in a n900 |
| 13:32.29 | StyXman | heeh |
| 13:33.01 | kerio | sadly, the CHDs weigh around 250gb, so those won't fit |
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| 14:54.21 | kerio | is there a way to get PAN working properly on the n900? |
| 14:55.00 | kerio | having to stand up and *walk* to the shelf with the n900 to turn its wifi on is psychologically painful D: |
| 14:58.33 | Skry | keeps you fit |
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| 15:02.04 | kerio | hrmpf, maemo-pan has broken dependencies |
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| 15:12.36 | kerio | and pc-connectivity-manager is awfuò |
| 15:12.37 | kerio | awful |
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| 15:16.29 | kerio | aaaaand it apparently fucked with my bluetoothd and now it's a "Computer" instead of being a "Smartphone" |
| 15:16.41 | kerio | oh well |
| 15:21.04 | kerio | meh, i'm restoring dat shit |
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| 15:40.56 | Pali | Hi, 0xFFFF 0.5 was released |
| 15:41.53 | freemangordon | Pali: why do you rewrite libbmeipc once again? |
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| 15:42.08 | freemangordon | what's wrong with my source? |
| 15:42.24 | Pali | freemangordon, problem was that I needed to add more (old) header files |
| 15:42.35 | freemangordon | add where? |
| 15:42.42 | freemangordon | it compiles ok |
| 15:42.55 | freemangordon | and works ok |
| 15:42.57 | Pali | yes, but compilation of some old code (dsme) not working |
| 15:43.17 | Pali | and why using pipes? |
| 15:43.33 | kerio | hi Pali! |
| 15:43.36 | Pali | hi |
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| 15:44.06 | freemangordon | Pali: what do you suggest? |
| 15:44.18 | Pali | simple array |
| 15:44.25 | Pali | or one struct |
| 15:44.40 | freemangordon | did you look at how dsme-thermalobject calls libbmeipc |
| 15:44.41 | freemangordon | ? |
| 15:44.46 | kerio | k |
| 15:44.49 | kerio | whoops, wrong window |
| 15:45.11 | Pali | all communication with bme is: send message, read status, read message |
| 15:45.21 | Pali | I looked more at bme protocol |
| 15:45.27 | freemangordon | Pali: I think you got it wring |
| 15:45.39 | freemangordon | pipes are not to communicate with BME |
| 15:45.50 | Pali | yes, it is used for read write in app |
| 15:45.56 | freemangordon | yes |
| 15:45.57 | Pali | but we do not need it |
| 15:46.04 | freemangordon | and we MUST keep that |
| 15:46.22 | freemangordon | because otherwise we have to dig through all of the maemo code |
| 15:46.29 | Pali | one union of return message is enought |
| 15:46.33 | freemangordon | (part of it is not FOSS) |
| 15:46.50 | Pali | all application which using libbmeipc in maemo using bme protocol |
| 15:47.08 | freemangordon | Pali: wrong, dsme-thermalobject-surface sets up gio listener |
| 15:47.41 | freemangordon | and waits for data on that handle (returned from libbmeipc) |
| 15:47.58 | Pali | ok, I will look at it again |
| 15:48.05 | freemangordon | it is async communicatio |
| 15:48.08 | freemangordon | n |
| 15:50.43 | freemangordon | Pali: look at oroginal code, function connect_bme() |
| 15:50.48 | freemangordon | *original |
| 15:51.02 | freemangordon | thermalsensor_battery.c |
| 15:51.05 | Pali | I see now what you mean |
| 15:51.12 | Pali | I will fix it |
| 15:51.30 | Pali | so pipes are really needed |
| 15:51.31 | freemangordon | fix what, code is already there, just add damn missing defines |
| 15:51.42 | Pali | I will merge your code with my |
| 15:51.52 | freemangordon | thats better :) |
| 15:52.11 | freemangordon | just use my code, and add those headers you think that are missing |
| 15:52.30 | freemangordon | BTW what is missing? |
| 15:52.34 | Pali | ok, I also implemented cookie read/write |
| 15:52.45 | Pali | (no idea if this is used, by libbmeipc export it) |
| 15:52.48 | freemangordon | ok, but we don't need that |
| 15:52.52 | freemangordon | noone uses it |
| 15:52.56 | Pali | ok |
| 15:53.06 | Pali | what using pulseaudio? |
| 15:53.13 | freemangordon | Pali: trust me on that and use my code |
| 15:53.29 | freemangordon | it spits an error if unimplemented function is called |
| 15:53.42 | freemangordon | PA uses only temperature |
| 15:53.58 | freemangordon | coocies are used by hald-addon-bme :P |
| 15:54.01 | freemangordon | *cookies |
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| 15:54.37 | freemangordon | Pali: which defines are missing? |
| 15:54.53 | Pali | see git log |
| 15:54.58 | freemangordon | ok |
| 15:55.00 | Pali | I do not remember now |
| 15:55.28 | freemangordon | link? |
| 15:55.34 | Pali | btw, why dsme (not dsme-theramal...) depends on libbmeipc? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/dsme/0.60.46+0m5/ |
| 15:56.00 | Pali | my patched libbmeipc: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme |
| 15:56.50 | Pali | there are 2 branches: master - fixed original nokia code which match n900 bme communication, replacement branch - without bme |
| 15:57.00 | freemangordon | Pali: beside debian/control depends, does it actually call libbmeipc? |
| 15:57.14 | freemangordon | dsme that is |
| 15:57.27 | Pali | ok, so only debian/control has bme line? |
| 15:57.57 | freemangordon | don't know, you tell me. You tried to compile it, ain't? |
| 15:58.19 | Pali | I tried to compile *my* program which using bme library |
| 15:58.31 | Pali | and also dsme-theramal-* |
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| 15:59.02 | freemangordon | Pali: but we already agreed we don't need dsme-thermal recompiled |
| 15:59.14 | Pali | ok |
| 15:59.19 | freemangordon | as interface is not changed |
| 15:59.41 | Pali | my first attempt was to compile program for raw/kelvin temperature table |
| 16:00.09 | freemangordon | see, my code is drop-in replacement (libbmeipc), it needs just to read the real temperature |
| 16:00.11 | Pali | and for this I needed to modify original released nokia bmeipc headers |
| 16:00.15 | freemangordon | open/read/close |
| 16:00.20 | freemangordon | thats it |
| 16:00.20 | Pali | ok |
| 16:00.59 | freemangordon | if we need some missing defines in the future, we can easily make -dev package and add the headers |
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| 16:01.24 | freemangordon | though I think I have all BME defines in libbmeipc |
| 16:01.27 | Pali | I mean that I needed something which can compile that program for temperature table (so this was reason why I modified nokia libbme code) |
| 16:01.38 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 16:02.09 | freemangordon | so, now what :D ? |
| 16:02.36 | freemangordon | do you want to add that missing temp reading? |
| 16:02.46 | Pali | yes, I will add it |
| 16:02.56 | freemangordon | as right now I am trying to find why VKB renderer has a bug |
| 16:03.06 | freemangordon | (OSS replacement) |
| 16:03.07 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:03.18 | Pali | WTF is testserver? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/testserver/1.1.196+0m5/ |
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| 16:03.26 | Pali | where it is used? |
| 16:03.37 | Pali | it depends on libbmeipc too |
| 16:05.22 | freemangordon | BME replacement in SB AIUI |
| 16:05.42 | freemangordon | i.e. fake BME |
| 16:06.35 | freemangordon | Pali: I am back to debugging VKB, ping me if I can help with anything |
| 16:07.48 | Pali | ok, I will at libbmeipc in next days... no time now |
| 16:07.58 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:09.54 | kerio | freemangordon: is there a way to make the VKB only appear in portrait and not in landscape? |
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