| 00:00.31 | luf | wirr: I'm afraid they are sleeping now. |
| 00:01.09 | luf | wirr: I think pali and freemangordon know (at least). |
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| 00:02.02 | wirr | luf: thanks, i'll drop by another time - should be sleeping as well ;-) |
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| 00:03.39 | merlin1991 | wirr: gimme a sec |
| 00:04.20 | merlin1991 | wirr: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/ke-recv |
| 00:04.22 | luf | merlin1991: good I think you're sleeping too :) |
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| 00:32.52 | _David_ | Hey all, is there any Dreamweaver/BlueFish type software on Maemo? |
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| 00:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | wirr: that's my baby |
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| 00:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | wirr: /etc/default/osso-mmc-blacklist.sh is simply souced before /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh gets executed |
| 00:54.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | wirr: basically you can do whatever you want in osso-mmc-blacklist.sh |
| 00:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | wirr: though it's intended to stop certain mmc partitions from getting mounted |
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| 00:56.32 | pabs3 | whats going on with the static.maemo.org domain? |
| 00:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | down for weekend chillout and ointment |
| 00:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply busy sending spam |
| 00:59.15 | _David_ | Any kind soul feel like compiling BlueFish for me? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39227 |
| 00:59.23 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, ok. I note that http://maemo.org/static/ still works tho |
| 01:00.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | could that help make wili.maemo.org render again? |
| 01:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | wiki* |
| 01:10.51 | _David_ | ok easier question: what's the best maps application for holidaying in the Netherlands, Belgium and Paris? |
| 01:24.43 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer05: looks fine to me (I like less colourful websites), but yeah it is referencing static.maemo.org for CSS |
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| 01:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | mappero, maep, marble, ovi-maps |
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| 03:36.39 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: fwiw I haven't found any missing bits of files yet - after that fsck jazz ;) |
| 03:37.20 | jpinx | but I have the original backup safely tucked away just in case,,,, :) |
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| 07:51.55 | wirr | DocScrutinizer, merlin1991: thanks |
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| 08:39.55 | kerio | i never thought of asking |
| 08:43.50 | inz | kerio, Open Source Software Operations |
| 08:48.54 | merlin1991 | kerio: it used to be a department inside nokia, comes from times before maemo |
| 08:49.00 | kerio | i see |
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| 09:43.05 | internetishard | So my conversations DB is corrupt. Can I go in and fix it? I want to have access to my year+ of conversations - but that slows my phone and gets messed up the more I use it (people's names become "* <SelfHandle> (#)" - which I'm guessing is some code that got spewed into content! |
| 09:43.08 | internetishard | Ideas? |
| 09:45.53 | StyXman | internetishard: copy the .db files to your computer, delete them in the phone, and try to recover them in your computer |
| 09:46.19 | StyXman | and make backups before modifying them |
| 09:46.35 | internetishard | How will I know how to repair the DB? |
| 09:46.46 | StyXman | good question |
| 09:47.02 | internetishard | Also - what's the solution as this thing expands to be able to check the history of my conversations without slowing the phone to a crawl? I've 3+ years of so many conversations in history... |
| 09:47.33 | StyXman | internetishard: once you remove them from the phone, itshould go faster in the phone :| |
| 09:50.28 | internetishard | yeah, but how should I look up old conversations if I need to. It's also incredibly hard to scroll to a midpoint in any conversation that is of a reasonable length |
| 09:50.32 | internetishard | This software is just insanely bad. |
| 09:50.49 | internetishard | I've been reading, but I've not learned about coping mechanisms of other users. |
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| 10:23.04 | merlin1991 | internetishard: I guess the safest bet is to remove messages older than a certain age and keep a backup somewhere else just in case |
| 10:23.23 | internetishard | There's no way to do that, right? |
| 10:23.26 | merlin1991 | that would save the speed issues and should preserve enough backlog in the average case |
| 10:23.38 | merlin1991 | the conversations are inside a sqlite db |
| 10:23.45 | internetishard | So you do it manually? |
| 10:23.48 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 10:23.50 | internetishard | I'd have to write a script |
| 10:23.52 | internetishard | Jesus |
| 10:23.56 | internetishard | This is why people use iphones |
| 10:24.10 | internetishard | Then what would I use to view my old DB? |
| 10:24.26 | merlin1991 | there is some gui for sqlite |
| 10:24.48 | merlin1991 | http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:25.44 | internetishard | Do you use the n900 as your #1? |
| 10:26.24 | merlin1991 | I've been doing that for a long time, but nowadays I use a n9 |
| 10:26.58 | merlin1991 | though it still depends on your defeiniton of #1, the n9 is only my #1 phone, I still use and carry my n900 for other stuff |
| 10:27.20 | internetishard | what are those other things? |
| 10:27.33 | internetishard | Why the n9? Are you comfortable with the touch keyboard? |
| 10:27.34 | kerio | internetishard: also note that upgrading sqlite will make that faster |
| 10:27.48 | StyXman | kerio: tell me more |
| 10:27.55 | merlin1991 | StyXman: there is a thread on tmo |
| 10:27.59 | kerio | some dude backported meego's sqlite |
| 10:28.01 | internetishard | upgrading sqlite on the n900 will make loading conversations faster? |
| 10:28.10 | merlin1991 | relized he should contact the dev regarding inclusion to cssu |
| 10:28.25 | kerio | internetishard: yeah, the libsqlite3-0 on the n900 is kinda old |
| 10:28.26 | merlin1991 | internetishard: yep there've been quite some improvements to sqlite since the version that ships with the n900 |
| 10:28.55 | merlin1991 | about the other uses, ie fm-transmitter, wireless fun, anything that requires a hw keyboard... |
| 10:29.04 | kerio | >wireless "fun" |
| 10:29.05 | kerio | lol |
| 10:29.18 | merlin1991 | also the touch keyboard works for sms, but I wouldn't use it to type longer texts |
| 10:29.51 | internetishard | merlin1991: so you're talking terminal work & airplay? |
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| 10:30.18 | kerio | wtf is airplay? |
| 10:30.26 | merlin1991 | kerio: ie when I want to use my openvpn tunnel on win7 which fscks dns resolution, so I "pipe" the traffic through the n900 over usb so the dns resolver in win7 is not confused |
| 10:31.18 | kerio | hehe |
| 10:31.48 | merlin1991 | kerio: I suppose he meant aireplay which is part of the aircrack suite |
| 10:32.46 | merlin1991 | internetishard: one more thing I still do on the n900, listen to music 16gb on the phone are just not enough :P |
| 10:34.08 | internetishard | n9 is only 16GB? |
| 10:34.21 | merlin1991 | there is a 16gb model and a 64gb model |
| 10:34.31 | internetishard | I still haven't set it up, but I'm gonna have all my music on my server and I'm gonna mount it over NFS or something or stream all my music |
| 10:35.02 | internetishard | so the 64GB model can still have a 32GB microsd card, bringing it to 96GB? |
| 10:35.22 | merlin1991 | the n9 has no cardslot |
| 10:35.35 | merlin1991 | also on the 16gb model only 8.8gb are avaiable for user data |
| 10:37.09 | internetishard | why did you get an n9? |
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| 10:37.18 | internetishard | is there any benefit over android? |
| 10:38.27 | merlin1991 | mainly because I didn't pay for it, but I was interested because it's still the purest linux experience for a current smartphone one can get |
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| 10:39.26 | internetishard | I'm unclear on why it is more pure. |
| 10:40.15 | kerio | because android is as unix as iOS |
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| 10:41.13 | internetishard | :( @ linux on smartphones |
| 10:42.28 | dhbiker | hi there.... my device is bootlooping + backupmenu boots and its not responding |
| 10:42.39 | dhbiker | should i reflash it with vanilla ? |
| 10:44.06 | internetishard | merlin1991: why wouldn't sqlite be an auto update on the n900 for the community package? |
| 10:44.12 | internetishard | It won't break anyt hing if I do it manually? |
| 10:44.31 | merlin1991 | it should not break anything at all |
| 10:44.46 | merlin1991 | but it if it is feasible it makes sense to ship to all cssu users |
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| 10:45.24 | internetishard | yeah, I feel like cssu could do a lot more |
| 10:45.30 | internetishard | I've not noticed much of a difference |
| 10:46.00 | cryptonite | hello |
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| 10:47.52 | cryptonite | to watch 720p videos are the instruction still valid as per http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695&highlight=720p&page=108 |
| 10:48.43 | cryptonite | i run power51 and cssu-thumb |
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| 10:54.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hey all, looking time no see. I was wondering what makes the New testing update require PC suite mode to install. Its not mentioned in the change log |
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| 11:00.36 | merlin1991 | install the operator name update first |
| 11:01.18 | merlin1991 | that fsckd msg is simply wrong, it's the default when ham can't decide on conflicts / dependencies and gives up |
| 11:02.30 | internetishard | So are there lots of other things to update manually besides the sqlite software? Lots of other goodies CSSU doesn't include? |
| 11:03.26 | kerio | internetishard: well, there's cssu-thumb |
| 11:03.53 | kerio | you need a kernel with the thumb2 errata workaround |
| 11:04.07 | internetishard | k, pulled the thread, gotta read about |
| 11:05.04 | kerio | less ram used + shit recompiled with gcc 4.6 or 4.7 |
| 11:05.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | M Merlin thanks, next time if and to update I will ensure the widget happens first :-) |
| 11:06.05 | kerio | Kamping_Kaiser: nah, it's not going to be needed |
| 11:08.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | this a power source and has another go |
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| 11:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: (no missing bits) good to hear. The *.REC files may easily be "recovered" deleted files as well |
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| 11:18.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | Update installing. :-) |
| 11:18.53 | dhbiker | hi there.... my device is bootlooping + backupmenu boots and its not responding |
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| 11:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | (<internetishard> I've not noticed much of a difference) that's the basic concept of cssu. It's not even 'allowed' to massivedly change UX, it's meant to keep UX for the good bits and only "fix" broken or obviously missing&&system stuff |
| 11:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: for other improvements there's extras(-devel) repo that holds all the good stuff |
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| 11:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: cssu is not a set of preselected apps claiming to be better than the set shipped with stock maemo. Au contraire one of the ideas of cssu is to give user more freedom of choice |
| 11:23.46 | kerio | that's why we force a different operator name widget and a different camera-ui on you! |
| 11:23.48 | kerio | flees |
| 11:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: flash COMBINED, install BM, restore your backup |
| 11:24.24 | kerio | dhbiker: robbiethe1st made a fiasco image with BM preinstalled |
| 11:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 11:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | slaps kerio for forcing nicocam and opername on him |
| 11:25.44 | dhbiker | i get this http://pastebin.com/tjNdvcxt |
| 11:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, that's simply not true for cssu-stable. That's why it's called stable (among other things) |
| 11:26.36 | kerio | dhbiker: yep |
| 11:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: blacklist phonet! |
| 11:27.04 | kerio | dhbiker: remove the battery, connect the usb cable, hold "u" down, put the battery in |
| 11:27.05 | kerio | or something |
| 11:27.13 | dhbiker | nah same happens |
| 11:27.19 | dhbiker | everytime |
| 11:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: blacklist phonet! |
| 11:27.33 | dhbiker | sir yes sir! |
| 11:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 11:27.37 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: lsmod|grep phon |
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| 11:28.24 | jacekowski | you're doing it wrong |
| 11:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | if something shows up there, you got phonet kernel module problem |
| 11:28.43 | dhbiker | great |
| 11:29.14 | dhbiker | i'll try on my netbook |
| 11:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: most contemporary linux distros have cdc_phonet kernel module, you'll most likely need to blacklist it on your netbook as well |
| 11:30.42 | dhbiker | probably |
| 11:30.47 | dhbiker | but i have a different kernel |
| 11:30.50 | dhbiker | on netbook |
| 11:30.51 | chem|st | kerio: who forces that on you?.... would be me and I don't! |
| 11:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: don't feed the troll ;-) |
| 11:31.28 | kerio | but i'm hungry! |
| 11:31.34 | chem|st | but I have spare cookies! |
| 11:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 11:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: just out of interest, what did you do to fsckup your system? |
| 11:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: installed custom kernel? nitdroid? |
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| 11:34.51 | dhbiker | too drained battery while restoring backup |
| 11:34.55 | kerio | ouch |
| 11:34.56 | kerio | yeah, that's bad |
| 11:35.01 | kerio | why didn't you plug the wallcharger in? |
| 11:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 11:35.08 | kerio | backupmenu can charge |
| 11:35.09 | dhbiker | didn't have time :( |
| 11:35.21 | kerio | hm, BM could add a battery meter |
| 11:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 11:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but... yeah, it could. Technically |
| 11:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd consider it more helpful to add a charge level test with warning |
| 11:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | "battery low!!! Odds are any backup or restore operation gets aborted by system shutdown due to battery empty. For restore this will thoroughly mess up your system, for backup this will result in broken useless backup file and possible fs corruption. IT'S STRONGLY RECOMMENDED YOU PLUG IN WALLCHARGER *NOW*!" |
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| 11:41.44 | kerio | this reminds me, i should make another backup |
| 11:41.48 | dhbiker | agree |
| 11:46.30 | kerio | hm, is there a reason /etc/mtab is not a symlink to /proc/mounts? |
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| 11:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also might imagine some special handling for /lib/modules which should makes ure it gets restored only to a version matching current kernel |
| 11:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...unless there's this magic file causing kernel-flasher to run on next boot |
| 11:48.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: or, much, much easier: dump/flash the kernel too |
| 11:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^^ |
| 11:48.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's no copy of the kernel in the fs itself |
| 11:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | what you suggested is next step aka v2.0 |
| 11:49.10 | kerio | i wonder, can the kernel be dumped/flashed with nanddump/nandwrite? |
| 11:49.13 | kerio | or do you need the onboard flasher? |
| 11:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *guess* it can get backed-up and restored by nandtools |
| 11:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested that to robbiethe1st several times now |
| 11:50.24 | Arkenoi | appears that memory freed with cssu-thumb makes browser run noticeably faster |
| 11:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | also do a backup of CAL ;-) |
| 11:50.40 | kerio | Arkenoi: indeed |
| 11:50.43 | kerio | ~cssu-thumb |
| 11:50.44 | infobot | somebody said cssu-thumb was <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively |
| 11:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, thumb microB is considerably faster |
| 11:51.01 | Arkenoi | or might be that |
| 11:51.06 | kerio | hrmpf, mass storage mode from backupmenu is *kinda* flaky |
| 11:51.11 | kerio | Arkenoi: it's both |
| 11:51.24 | kerio | more free ram, better compiler, stronger optimization |
| 11:51.26 | Arkenoi | looks almost like n950 speed now :-) |
| 11:51.37 | Arkenoi | with moderate overclock (950MHz) |
| 11:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | overclock basically useless compared to thumb speedup |
| 11:52.43 | jacekowski | interesting |
| 11:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I wouldn't consider 950MHz a "moderate OC" |
| 11:53.09 | jacekowski | i though that thumb is around the same speed |
| 11:53.11 | kerio | yeah, 950 is a 58% increase |
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| 11:53.22 | kerio | jacekowski: it's actually a little bit slower |
| 11:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and basically close to the edge already |
| 11:53.28 | kerio | but it frees ram |
| 11:53.39 | kerio | and freemangordon uses gcc 4.6 or gcc 4.7 |
| 11:53.44 | jacekowski | by how much? |
| 11:53.46 | jacekowski | 10-20%? |
| 11:53.46 | kerio | as opposed to the crappy scratchbox 4.2 |
| 11:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | which seems much better compared to old compiler |
| 11:54.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Story I disappeared, andchat speed respondent :-( |
| 11:54.07 | jacekowski | i would think it's more gcc than thumb |
| 11:54.20 | kerio | jacekowski: probably, but the freed ram does help a lot |
| 11:54.30 | jacekowski | code that old gcc was generating was pretty bad |
| 11:54.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Thanks for your help, update installed perfectly |
| 11:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 11:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ECHAN? |
| 11:55.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Me? Correct channel, just 20 Minn late |
| 11:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, sorry, missed your posts of 90 min ago |
| 11:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 30? |
| 11:57.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Some time ago. Either way, just wanted to make sure I said thanks before I head off |
| 11:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | gets tired to spam channel with [general notice] |
| 11:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kamping_Kaiser: :-D |
| 11:57.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | :-) |
| 11:57.50 | kerio | anyway, operator-name-cbs-widget can (and should?) be uninstalled, after the upgrade to cssu-T5.1 |
| 11:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, WFM |
| 11:58.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's a dummy |
| 11:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, the update is meant to allow de-installation now |
| 11:58.40 | kerio | the actual stuff is in connui-home-cellular |
| 11:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we got dependency issue on update |
| 12:00.24 | kerio | hm, how do you manually focus with nicocam? |
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| 12:05.51 | kerio | deepy: http://i.imgur.com/1F2xq.jpg <- this is a picture of my usb cable |
| 12:05.54 | kerio | it's the standard nokia one |
| 12:06.02 | kerio | (it's slightly from the underside) |
| 12:07.07 | deepy | ah, those teeth |
| 12:07.21 | kerio | yep |
| 12:07.29 | kerio | done the same to both microusb plugs |
| 12:07.35 | kerio | (usb cable and wallcharger) |
| 12:08.15 | deepy | Can I rip them out instead? |
| 12:08.25 | jaska | i ripped the teeth out of mine |
| 12:08.58 | kerio | i'm disgusted by your lack of finesse |
| 12:09.05 | kerio | but i suppose that it'll work \_o_/ |
| 12:09.23 | jaska | i blame my arctic forest troll heritage |
| 12:09.24 | deepy | I think so yeah. /o_/ |
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| 12:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's deprecated |
| 12:10.41 | kerio | what's deprecated? |
| 12:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | mechanically mess with plug |
| 12:11.35 | jaska | better than nothing i suppose, im awful at soldering :) |
| 12:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I pushed the "teeth" slightly with fingernail, and did a few hundered careful mate/unmate-cycles, and my plugs all work just fine |
| 12:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (actually I pulled the plug 2mm and right pushed it back, no complete extraction. Can easily be done with fingernails (so you have any) during watching a movie) |
| 12:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | also soft pencil helps to apply some graphite to the outside of plug, will help a friggin lot |
| 12:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | mechanical messing around with plugs is prone to do permanent damage to the port |
| 12:14.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is filing down a part "mechanical"? |
| 12:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | as worse as it gets |
| 12:15.02 | kerio | D: |
| 12:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | metal dust will ruin your port |
| 12:15.32 | kerio | hm |
| 12:15.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | as will those rough surfaces you create |
| 12:15.35 | kerio | oh well, it works \_o_/ |
| 12:16.17 | kerio | won't graphite do that too? |
| 12:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 12:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | graphite is a librificant, metal dust is an abrasive thing |
| 12:17.41 | kerio | i see |
| 12:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | lub* |
| 12:17.59 | kerio | well this would've been more useful to know... two months ago... |
| 12:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | pencil graphite stays in place, metal dust from filing enters the plug and ruins your contacts |
| 12:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | mind you, these are like 50um of gold on steel springs |
| 12:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | gold is softer than steel dust |
| 12:19.40 | kerio | well, i blew on both the port and the plug |
| 12:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the least you could do to limit damage |
| 12:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless it's deprecated to file on plugs, better bend the hooks gently in a few times, with your fingernails |
| 12:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | *slightly* |
| 12:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | this will soften the springs in those hooks |
| 12:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | resulting in way smoother retraction of plug |
| 12:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few 50..100 mating cycles do the rest (rounding the hooks' sharp "nose") |
| 12:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | YMMV, but I found it works just fine for me |
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| 12:27.31 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: no luck... tried with windows too and it throws some weird error |
| 12:27.43 | dhbiker | sometihng with APE blah blah blah |
| 12:28.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: sorry, no idea about windows |
| 12:28.12 | dhbiker | shiet |
| 12:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can only talk you through flashing under linux |
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| 12:28.43 | dhbiker | ok |
| 12:28.46 | dhbiker | i am root |
| 12:28.49 | dhbiker | and everything |
| 12:28.53 | dhbiker | just like the guide says |
| 12:29.04 | dhbiker | and i still get that no suitable device found |
| 12:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | do lsmod|grep phonet |
| 12:29.20 | dhbiker | nothing |
| 12:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | what are you trying to flash? |
| 12:29.54 | dhbiker | emmc |
| 12:30.02 | dhbiker | Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 |
| 12:30.02 | dhbiker | Booting device into flash mode. |
| 12:30.02 | dhbiker | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 12:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | flash combined first, flashing emmc depends on a working rootfs |
| 12:30.37 | dhbiker | oh. |
| 12:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | see ~flashing |
| 12:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's all written there |
| 12:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | "combined, vanilla, then combined again..." |
| 12:39.04 | dhbiker | it lives \o/ |
| 12:39.08 | kerio | \o/ |
| 12:39.15 | dhbiker | ty DocScrutinizer05 & kerio <3 |
| 12:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: >>. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to work as long as your rootfs still is somewhat functional. Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.<< http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
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| 12:42.58 | kerio | hmm, is there a jtag interface somewhere on the n900? |
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| 12:48.25 | chem|st | laughs at people using whatsapp! |
| 12:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yep, under battery |
| 12:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | presumably |
| 12:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: alas those details are omitted from schematics |
| 12:49.19 | kerio | typical :s |
| 12:49.36 | kerio | hm, how do you actually connect to those pads under the battery? |
| 12:49.44 | kerio | do you have to solder something to them? |
| 12:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | service fixture |
| 12:49.51 | kerio | is it something that clips? |
| 12:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, a huge "battery" with pogopins and cable |
| 12:50.16 | kerio | i see |
| 12:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or this http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal1.htm |
| 12:52.54 | kerio | hahaha, that's cool |
| 12:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | the one i meant looks similar to http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-X2-01-Unlocking-Flashing-Cable-GPG-Best-Dongle-Fenix-Key-MxBox-MxKey-/130757486675?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D390253018066%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2108992536272159332#ht_2210wt_1163 |
| 12:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | more like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-E5-00-Flashing-Unlocking-Cable-GPG-for-MxKey-Best-Dongle-Fenix-Cyclone-/140838802718?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccesories_MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item20caa5951e |
| 12:56.47 | kerio | yeah, yeah |
| 12:57.18 | kerio | hehe, that kind of stuff would fit in the mugen xl backcover :D |
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| 13:07.12 | pippo93 | ciao |
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| 13:11.14 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: in what repo is the backupmenu ? |
| 13:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel |
| 13:12.51 | dhbiker | ty |
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| 13:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 13:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 13:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | name includes: "backup" |
| 13:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | -->http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/ |
| 13:21.43 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: oh it's not in extras-testing at least? |
| 13:22.06 | luf | extras-devel doesn't sound very seriously. I can't believe you suggest it :) |
| 13:22.42 | kerio | isn't the promotion mechanism kinda broken? |
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| 13:23.26 | dhbiker | now i'll wait for battery be fully charged |
| 13:23.33 | dhbiker | i wont do the same mistake again :/ |
| 13:23.48 | luf | kerio: developer itself put it into testing. It worked at least few month ago (curl). |
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| 13:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: alas there's a lot of useful (and stable) packages lingering in -devel. That's mainly due to lack of testers who would promote a pkg from extras-testing to extras |
| 13:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so devels see no use in promoting their packages to -testing, I guess |
| 13:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes mental note to prod robbiethe1st to promote BM to -testing |
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| 13:55.44 | kerio | hehe, cool, you can see the bluetooth transfer speed drop as you transfer data via wifi |
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| 14:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't mean much though |
| 14:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | more interesting would be to watch BT bandwidth while transfering data between two other devices close to the BT devices |
| 14:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects 50% of the BT headset audio dropouts caused by interference from other 2.4GHz sources, like WLAN-hotspots, microwave ovens, and whatnot else |
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| 14:06.47 | Arkenoi | btw is there a way to force contacts into portrait? |
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| 14:08.36 | drhjk | nope |
| 14:09.13 | kerio | sure there is |
| 14:09.20 | kerio | enable forcerotation and remove it from the blacklist |
| 14:09.25 | kerio | it'll probably work like ass, though |
| 14:11.32 | drhjk | most of the originl code for the dialer app was never intended to run in portrait from the beginning. |
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| 14:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case it'll segfault |
| 14:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | most likely it won't be usable at all, due to size and positioning of widgets |
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| 15:08.39 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: hey guy I told about -devel not -testing. Putting package into -testing depends only on the developer. And when developer means it's not stable enough for testing ... how can we recomand it? |
| 15:09.46 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: but it's like the question if there was egg or hen at first ... |
| 15:10.22 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: Devels should do they job. And it's only 1 click I think to put the package into -testing. |
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| 15:44.20 | deepy | I just noticed it's FM TRANSMITTER and not receiver |
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| 15:44.58 | deepy | and then I noticed TV-out |
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| 16:08.31 | kerio | deepy: there's also a fm receiver |
| 16:08.37 | kerio | but no builtin way to use it |
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| 16:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900? but proper non-HARM-hackish proper community made packages for FMRX, even several |
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| 16:33.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that's why i said "builtin" |
| 16:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAFAQ Sep 17 16:33:56 halebop kernel: [3943500.563996] Critical temperature reached (100 C), shutting down. |
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| 16:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | runs to buy a can of pressurized air |
| 16:37.40 | kerio | i don't think it's going to be cold enough |
| 16:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, i hoped that docking station will lift the T500 above table just enough to stop it scooping in all debris and tobacco and ashes and whatnot - obviously a delusion. So going to blow it out again |
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| 16:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | temps all <63° now, wtf? |
| 16:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess fan control in T500 under linux is borked |
| 16:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not exactly unheard) |
| 16:52.55 | SpeedEvil | or over temp monitoring |
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| 16:55.03 | deepy | Where are the files I put on the mass storage? |
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| 16:56.42 | deepy | oh, /media/mmc1 |
| 16:56.45 | deepy | I need a tab complete :E |
| 16:56.48 | kerio | or ~/MyDocs |
| 16:56.54 | kerio | deepy: map tab to shift+fn+something |
| 16:57.03 | kerio | either bksp or ret |
| 16:58.21 | deepy | and it's not in that folder either |
| 16:58.32 | deepy | it really is in ~MyDocs which was empty every single time I checked |
| 16:59.49 | deepy | mplayer crashed |
| 17:01.55 | deepy | kmplayer worked much better |
| 17:04.46 | kerio | deepy: those don't use the DSP though |
| 17:04.56 | drhjk | kerio, how to map keys in maemo? |
| 17:05.31 | drhjk | nm, it is actually easy to find |
| 17:05.37 | kerio | drhjk: edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 as appropriate :) |
| 17:05.49 | kerio | read the xkb docs to learn how to |
| 17:06.55 | deepy | kerio: dsp? |
| 17:07.02 | deepy | Also, I'm open for alternatives |
| 17:07.18 | kerio | deepy: hardware thingy that does video decoding |
| 17:07.21 | deepy | Ah |
| 17:07.29 | kerio | it's used by the default media player application and by openmediaplayer |
| 17:07.37 | kerio | but it only works with some formats |
| 17:07.48 | kerio | you can also install additional gstreamer codecs for other formats |
| 17:08.27 | kerio | apt-get install decoders-support ogg-support |
| 17:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fan_control_scripts |
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| 17:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: http://superuser.com/questions/304421/thinkpad-shuts-down-after-10-minutes-of-heavy-use |
| 17:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: I think I might need a bios update |
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| 17:59.14 | vi_ | yo |
| 17:59.38 | vi_ | at the risk of appearing like a total spastic retard, how do I update to the latest cssu-thumb? |
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| 18:00.58 | vi_ | freemangordon: ping |
| 18:03.49 | vi_ | how hard is it to modify hildon home? |
| 18:04.38 | vi_ | when you type letters in it automatically opens the address book. |
| 18:04.42 | vi_ | and searches. |
| 18:04.49 | vi_ | your contacts. |
| 18:05.04 | vi_ | How hard would it be to also include program names in that search? |
| 18:05.16 | vi_ | Almost an instant search as it were. |
| 18:05.20 | vi_ | ? |
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| 18:32.44 | deepy | is the default browser goodor should I change? |
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| 18:45.46 | rlinfati | whats happens with python and the builder ? |
| 18:46.01 | rlinfati | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-September/thread.html <- [extras-builds] [fremantle]: python2.7 2.7.3~rc2-2.1-maemo1 UNKNOWN x 100000000000 |
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| 18:52.54 | kerio | deepy: it can't be easily changed, and unless you install cssu-thumb fennec (firefox mobile) will seriously suck |
| 18:53.07 | kerio | deepy: there's an experimental version of opera mobile that works well |
| 18:53.28 | deepy | cssu-thumb? |
| 18:53.37 | deepy | Weren't you grieving over that a while ago? |
| 18:53.46 | kerio | i what? |
| 18:54.01 | deepy | the performance of it? |
| 18:54.15 | kerio | what's "it" here? |
| 18:54.16 | kerio | fennec? |
| 18:54.22 | deepy | cssu-thumb |
| 18:54.26 | kerio | no, cssu-thumb is the shit |
| 18:54.39 | deepy | Why am I not using it? |
| 18:54.44 | kerio | idk |
| 18:54.53 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 18:54.53 | infobot | hmm... cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively |
| 18:55.20 | kerio | deepy: well, it's kinda bleedy |
| 18:55.25 | deepy | What about samba? |
| 18:55.29 | deepy | I figure I could use with a samba client |
| 18:55.51 | kerio | you could use *what* with a samba client? |
| 18:55.56 | kerio | you accidentally a noun there |
| 18:56.19 | deepy | I accidently a verb ther |
| 18:56.27 | kerio | anyway, apt-get install samba or something like that |
| 18:56.52 | deepy | cssu first! |
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| 18:56.56 | kerio | if you just want a client, smbfs and smbclient seem appropriate |
| 18:56.58 | deepy | I found the tab |
| 18:57.26 | kerio | freemangordon: make an actual factoid with links to the instructions to install cssu-thumb |
| 18:57.26 | deepy | does bleedy bleedy and stable both have twisted? |
| 18:57.58 | kerio | deepy: it appears that python-twisted-* is only in extras-devel |
| 18:58.07 | kerio | which is, realistically, what you should use |
| 18:59.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizers gonna scrutinize |
| 18:59.59 | deepy | The only legitimate way to learn is to break something |
| 19:00.04 | kerio | ikr |
| 19:00.10 | deepy | NOBODY learns as fast as when they're trying to save their valuable data |
| 19:00.25 | kerio | deepy: it's even easier if you don't have any valuable data |
| 19:00.34 | deepy | That's cheating and hinders the urgency |
| 19:00.49 | deepy | But it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make |
| 19:01.01 | kerio | what do you need twisted for? |
| 19:01.11 | deepy | Python networking and lurvely reactors |
| 19:01.18 | kerio | ... i know |
| 19:01.26 | kerio | i meant in particular |
| 19:01.27 | deepy | Maemo uses Qt doesn't it? |
| 19:01.38 | deepy | Oh, I haven't planned anything |
| 19:01.44 | deepy | it's just that whatever I do I generally end up using twisted |
| 19:01.50 | kerio | hehe |
| 19:01.57 | kerio | anyway, most nokia applications use gtk |
| 19:02.02 | kerio | but qt is also available |
| 19:02.16 | kerio | and the look&feel is mostly the same |
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| 19:03.49 | kerio | you should use qt, gtk sucks |
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| 19:18.09 | Sicelo | kerio: doesn't qt have somewhat higher ram usage than gtk? |
| 19:19.18 | kerio | gtkers gonna gtk |
| 19:19.29 | Sicelo | lol |
| 19:19.35 | kerio | and i don't think the ram usage is *that* greater |
| 19:19.57 | Sicelo | i'm not even a dev or something :P |
| 19:20.00 | kerio | unless you always use maemo-launcher/maemo-invoker for your gtk programs |
| 19:30.51 | kerio | huh, apparently launching a different maemo-launcher borks your existing maemo-launcher |
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| 19:34.56 | freemangordon | kerio: Qt uses much more RAM than gtk, something like 2-3 times |
| 19:35.08 | freemangordon | for one and the same task |
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| 20:09.07 | kerio | deepy: btw, you might want to install Easy Debian |
| 20:09.32 | myuu__ | hey |
| 20:09.36 | myuu__ | on that subject |
| 20:09.42 | myuu__ | can you use any small image for easydeb? |
| 20:09.58 | myuu__ | i know this subject is on the forums but im literally walking down the street |
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| 20:18.56 | kerio | myuu__: watch out for potholes |
| 20:18.57 | deepy | kerio: what does it do? |
| 20:19.09 | kerio | myuu__: i suppose you can use any image you want for easychroot |
| 20:19.39 | kerio | deepy: a debian testing install in a chroot jail, with lxde, libreoffice, gimp and iceweasel |
| 20:22.56 | deepy | oh |
| 20:23.02 | deepy | I don't need/want any of those tbh :p |
| 20:23.02 | kerio | yep :) |
| 20:23.10 | kerio | shit's awesome, yo |
| 20:23.15 | deepy | Isn't libreoffice based on OO.org? |
| 20:23.33 | kerio | libreoffice is OOo but with a lot less oracle |
| 20:23.48 | deepy | Does that even work on normal equipment? |
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| 20:25.20 | kerio | what do you mean? |
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| 20:31.31 | ZogG_laptop | LO was forked |
| 20:31.38 | ZogG_laptop | and they added a lotf from there side |
| 20:31.50 | ZogG_laptop | OO was updated and stuff was added too |
| 20:32.04 | ZogG_laptop | the question if changes were merged |
| 20:32.23 | ZogG_laptop | and afaik LO devs are those who left OO coz of oracle |
| 20:33.33 | deepy | I thought you needed a HPC to even run OO.org |
| 20:33.52 | kerio | i thought most of the devs that left OO were the important ones |
| 20:34.42 | deepy | anyways |
| 20:34.44 | deepy | more important matters |
| 20:34.55 | deepy | does dosemu/dosbox work fine on maemo? |
| 20:35.06 | kerio | i don't see why not |
| 20:35.11 | kerio | apart for the right clicking |
| 20:35.19 | deepy | Can I find them in HAM_ |
| 20:35.40 | kerio | dosbox - Intel x86 PC emulator |
| 20:37.32 | deepy | kerio |
| 20:37.35 | deepy | I think you have tricked me |
| 20:37.50 | deepy | This thing is a PDA, not a phone... is it not? |
| 20:38.05 | kerio | wtf |
| 20:38.17 | kerio | well, technically it's a Nokia Internet Tablet |
| 20:38.22 | myuu__ | it was marketed as a tablet |
| 20:38.28 | kerio | it does phone calls, as a side business |
| 20:38.51 | kerio | is it not good? |
| 20:39.21 | myuu__ | you just got an n900 deepy? |
| 20:39.45 | kerio | myuu__: yeah, he kept saying that his phone sucks, and i obviously suggested to buy a used n900 |
| 20:39.49 | kerio | he actually did it |
| 20:39.50 | kerio | LOLZ |
| 20:40.03 | myuu__ | congrats |
| 20:40.18 | myuu__ | also whats this thumb |
| 20:40.18 | SpeedEvil | yay |
| 20:40.19 | deepy | It does seem to do slightly less than my PC and a lot more than my current phone |
| 20:40.20 | myuu__ | new repo? |
| 20:40.30 | kerio | myuu__: a cssu-testing variant |
| 20:40.38 | myuu__ | id like to give it a go |
| 20:40.39 | myuu__ | url |
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| 20:40.42 | kerio | with performance enhancing drugs |
| 20:40.44 | myuu__ | or nvm ill google |
| 20:40.49 | kerio | myuu__: technically you already have the repo entry in HAM |
| 20:40.52 | deepy | I'm not overly thrilled about how "fat" it is, but that's gonna be irrelevant if the battery holds up well :) |
| 20:40.55 | kerio | if you updated to the latest CSSU |
| 20:41.03 | myuu__ | ham just plain doesnt work for me im afraid |
| 20:41.17 | kerio | myuu__: do you have cssu-testing enabled? |
| 20:41.21 | myuu__ | oh but it should also be a part of apt-get yet |
| 20:41.37 | freemangordon | myuu__: cssu-testing recompiled with gcc 4.7.2-linaro and by using Thumb2 instruction set |
| 20:41.58 | kerio | myuu__: if you don't have kp51 installed, then you should use HAM |
| 20:42.09 | freemangordon | myuu__: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597&postcount=1 |
| 20:42.12 | kerio | because thumb2 binaries need a special workaround in the kernel |
| 20:42.33 | kerio | so doing apt-get upgrade is a bad idea - unless you install the kernel first and then reboot, i s'pose |
| 20:42.39 | kerio | but no, follow the instructions |
| 20:42.54 | myuu__ | cant exactly flash but im on kp49 |
| 20:42.58 | kerio | infobot: cssu-thumb is also http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 |
| 20:42.58 | infobot | okay, kerio |
| 20:43.11 | kerio | myuu__: "can't exactly flash", "HAM doesn't work" |
| 20:43.12 | kerio | wtf |
| 20:43.20 | kerio | what have you done to your n900? |
| 20:43.29 | myuu__ | its been through a lot |
| 20:43.37 | myuu__ | the USB craps out |
| 20:43.42 | kerio | deepy: the battery is not really "good", though |
| 20:43.52 | kerio | it *is* swappable, though |
| 20:44.02 | kerio | and unofficial BL-5Js have gotten to 1500mAh |
| 20:44.05 | freemangordon | kerio: come on, why the battery is not good? |
| 20:44.05 | kerio | (measured) |
| 20:44.27 | myuu__ | i had this discussio the other day in the -ssu channel lol |
| 20:44.29 | kerio | freemangordon: well, it's not infinite, for instance :( |
| 20:44.34 | myuu__ | i was doing a lot to kill my battery fast |
| 20:44.56 | freemangordon | kerio: aah, I see |
| 20:45.02 | kerio | i'd like a cold fusion battery |
| 20:45.22 | kerio | freemangordon: tbh deepy said that his previous phone couldn't last the night in standby, from a full charge |
| 20:45.26 | kerio | so \_o_/ |
| 20:45.33 | freemangordon | android? |
| 20:45.42 | kerio | a weird LG android one, yeah |
| 20:45.45 | kerio | with a really powerful cpu |
| 20:45.52 | myuu__ | thats the kicker |
| 20:45.55 | freemangordon | no matter LG, HTC, sammy |
| 20:46.16 | freemangordon | android sucks |
| 20:46.19 | kerio | +1 |
| 20:46.22 | freemangordon | battery that is :P |
| 20:46.44 | freemangordon | kerio: what CPU? |
| 20:46.56 | freemangordon | the powerfull one I mean. |
| 20:47.10 | kerio | deepy: which one? |
| 20:47.17 | freemangordon | snapdragon? |
| 20:47.26 | kerio | deepy: also, don't say i tricked you, you make me feel bad :( |
| 20:47.48 | kerio | i told you upfront about all the bad sides of the n900 |
| 20:48.21 | deepy | kerio: I don't think it can make phone calls |
| 20:48.25 | freemangordon | hmm, n900 has bad sides? :D |
| 20:48.27 | deepy | it's trying to replace my PC and my PC cannot make phone calls |
| 20:48.31 | freemangordon | aah, yeah , no compass :( |
| 20:48.39 | kerio | deepy: hahaha |
| 20:49.00 | kerio | deepy: of course your PC can do phone calls |
| 20:49.05 | kerio | if you install a phone in it |
| 20:49.09 | kerio | which is about what the n900 has, really |
| 20:49.26 | kerio | the rapuyama chip is powerful enough to run low-end phones by itself |
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| 20:51.21 | kerio | deepy: oh, something bad i haven't told you about: pulseaudio |
| 20:51.35 | deepy | I'm perfectly aware of what pulseaudio is |
| 20:51.50 | kerio | well, it's running right now on your phone, and it's managing the audio |
| 20:51.52 | deepy | I don't see all the OSS hate |
| 20:51.54 | deepy | RAAAARGH |
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| 20:52.02 | kerio | wat |
| 20:52.03 | deepy | Can I switch it for OSS? |
| 20:52.20 | kerio | deepy: nah, everything expects pulseaudio to be there |
| 20:52.32 | deepy | Silliness aside, I'm just not really a big fan of pulseaudio |
| 20:52.36 | kerio | nobody is |
| 20:52.52 | deepy | I've seen some people drool |
| 20:52.58 | deepy | oh yeah, my phone isn't starting now |
| 20:53.01 | kerio | D: |
| 20:53.04 | kerio | what have you done? |
| 20:53.11 | deepy | I installed CSSU |
| 20:53.15 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 20:53.18 | kerio | which one? |
| 20:53.21 | deepy | stable |
| 20:53.24 | kerio | oh |
| 20:53.32 | kerio | following the instructions and all that? |
| 20:53.34 | kerio | weird |
| 20:53.35 | deepy | yes |
| 20:53.41 | deepy | it was after the last step when it rebooted |
| 20:53.52 | kerio | deepy: #maemo-ssu |
| 21:04.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: deepy's n900 can't seem to figure out if the kbd slider is open or closed |
| 21:08.00 | kerio | deepy: try opening and closing it again \_o_/ |
| 21:08.12 | kerio | hm, are you getting weird messages in dmesg? |
| 21:08.26 | freemangordon | kerio: wait, kbd light stays on if you have RD mode enabled |
| 21:08.42 | kerio | freemangordon: yeah but he doesn't have rd mode enabled |
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| 21:10.32 | freemangordon | kerio: are you sure? |
| 21:11.02 | kerio | freemangordon: he also gets bootmenu every time, as if his keyboard is open |
| 21:12.43 | freemangordon | kerio: well, then it is not HW |
| 21:12.58 | kerio | huh? you mean that it's not SW? |
| 21:13.07 | freemangordon | deepy: did you flash your device when you got it? |
| 21:13.51 | freemangordon | kerio: if kbd open/closed is correctly detected during early boot, then i'll consider that SW until proven wrong |
| 21:14.14 | kerio | freemangordon: no, he *always* gets bootmenu, even when the kbd slider is closed |
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| 21:18.04 | freemangordon | kerio: aah, ok, my bad then |
| 21:18.20 | freemangordon | not good :( |
| 21:19.26 | kerio | where's the sensor for the keyboard slider? |
| 21:20.29 | freemangordon | not sure, but IIRC soldered to the mainboard |
| 21:20.41 | freemangordon | but it could be the magnet as well |
| 21:20.47 | kerio | freemangordon: could it be just clogged or something |
| 21:20.56 | freemangordon | iirc it is magnetic |
| 21:21.11 | freemangordon | but you'd better ask doc or estel about it |
| 21:21.36 | deepy | freemangordon: yes |
| 21:21.51 | deepy | oh |
| 21:21.55 | deepy | heh, had scrolled up by accident |
| 21:24.31 | deepy | E: Couldn't find package dosbox |
| 21:24.36 | deepy | I don't know what I'm doing wrong |
| 21:25.11 | deepy | and devel is gone gaain |
| 21:25.12 | kerio | deepy: more importantly, you have a hw problem :s |
| 21:25.49 | deepy | How severe are they? |
| 21:25.59 | kerio | idk |
| 21:26.07 | kerio | the kbd slider sensor should be fairly robust |
| 21:26.16 | kerio | ask DocScrutinizer, he's the EE |
| 21:28.05 | deepy | He seems to be away |
| 21:28.24 | deepy | Oh |
| 21:28.33 | deepy | Can I do "just charging" over USB? |
| 21:28.48 | deepy | Apparently that's okay at work, but usb devices is a no-go |
| 21:29.27 | kerio | deepy: yeah, tap on the blurred area |
| 21:29.35 | kerio | that's the generic "cancel" or "close dialog" button |
| 21:29.52 | deepy | Just wanted to be sure that worked |
| 21:29.56 | deepy | they yell security breach and laugh at work |
| 21:33.32 | deepy | Gonna try out the battery life now |
| 21:33.33 | deepy | ish |
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| 21:40.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm NEVER away |
| 21:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | is internet away ever? is skynet sleeping? |
| 21:41.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51 never sleeps |
| 21:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | slider detector failure frequently caused by magnet got loose |
| 21:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and lost |
| 21:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're lucky it sticks to some ferromagnetic surface inside the phone |
| 21:43.04 | freemangordon | deepy: ^^^ |
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| 21:43.28 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, a piece of fridge magned will do the job, no? |
| 21:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 21:43.37 | freemangordon | *magnet |
| 21:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | get my slider-swoosh to easily detect slider sensor operation |
| 21:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (search tmo for "swoosh" |
| 21:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 21:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | shake device vigorously to maybe hear magnet falling around |
| 21:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hall sensor / reede contact is somewhere above "uio" keys iirc |
| 21:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | magnet is in screen half |
| 21:48.23 | freemangordon | it should be non-conducting, ain;t? a ferromagnite? |
| 21:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 21:48.40 | freemangordon | *freeomagnet |
| 21:48.44 | freemangordon | the fuck |
| 21:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be a cobal nickel |
| 21:48.48 | freemangordon | I need some sleep |
| 21:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nite freemangordon ;-P |
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| 21:49.15 | freemangordon | aah, yes, the stand magnet is shiny |
| 21:49.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:49.37 | freemangordon | night |
| 21:49.42 | luf | freemangordon: WTF how can you sleep! It's too much work for you ... |
| 21:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | fridge magnet plasitc also is shiny |
| 21:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: prepare coffee! |
| 21:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo make me a sandwich |
| 21:51.28 | freemangordon | it is 0:48 here, and I am ill |
| 21:51.45 | freemangordon | I deffinitely out |
| 21:51.47 | freemangordon | bye |
| 21:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange, here it's 23:52 |
| 21:52.05 | freemangordon | (according to my PC clock) |
| 21:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (according to my PC clock) |
| 21:52.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually a lie, been 23:51:52 |
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| 21:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: hurry, you're already 3 minutes late! |
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| 21:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | me mumbles NTP and heads off to TV |
| 22:00.17 | deepy | I'm gonna search tMO For swoosh |
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| 23:04.15 | internetishard | n900 needs audo cloud backup, like other mobiles |
| 23:13.51 | merlin1991 | ~cloud |
| 23:13.51 | infobot | somebody said cloud was an experienced Zaurus user |
| 23:21.18 | internetishard | I don't get it |
| 23:21.22 | internetishard | over my head! |
| 23:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | introduces kraut computing |
| 23:22.47 | internetishard | YEah, I used a buzzword :( |
| 23:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict audo |
| 23:23.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | laaaame |
| 23:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | is /me |
| 23:23.24 | internetishard | I can't find one either! |
| 23:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spell audo |
| 23:24.08 | internetishard | I need to install extra-devel as you said above, though this is my everyday phone |
| 23:24.22 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer, how's your study of cosmology been? |
| 23:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 23:24.32 | internetishard | Just been doing software lately, and not much physics? |
| 23:24.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | still looking out for balck mater panets |
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| 23:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | still looking out for black mater planets |
| 23:25.02 | internetishard | black mater? lol! |
| 23:25.06 | internetishard | dark matter? |
| 23:25.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, I'm not even supposed to sit at this friggin PC |
| 23:25.45 | internetishard | on top of it? |
| 23:25.49 | internetishard | Yeah, it might break! |
| 23:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | got a serious adiction problem |
| 23:26.01 | internetishard | computer addiction? |
| 23:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 23:26.06 | internetishard | you're in AUS, right? |
| 23:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | SOL3 |
| 23:26.20 | internetishard | It's all about breaking the cycle. |
| 23:26.33 | robbiethe1st | hi |
| 23:26.37 | internetishard | Fortunately, in your case of addiction, people like me benefit from your knowledge |
| 23:26.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | HI |
| 23:26.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: we just talked about BM |
| 23:27.21 | internetishard | no one calls it that... Are you trolling? |
| 23:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: might BM learn to not brainlessly restore /lib7modules ? |
| 23:27.34 | robbiethe1st | I was thinking... Has anyone ever messed with turning the N900 into a USB HID in hostmode? |
| 23:27.44 | robbiethe1st | Uh... lib7modules? |
| 23:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | lib/modules/* |
| 23:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (for unknown reasons my right shift key or finger doesn't work) |
| 23:28.34 | robbiethe1st | Why not? If it didn't, you'd end up with a non-functional device, as there'd be no kernel drivers...? |
| 23:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might restore non-mathing kernel modules |
| 23:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | matching* |
| 23:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I envision some kind of test (first step of enterprise) |
| 23:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make sure .ko matches mtd0 |
| 23:29.57 | robbiethe1st | So? I mean, the kernel won't pick them up unless it's running that version; the only problem comes when the kernel on the kernel partition doesn't have drivers in the backup |
| 23:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 23:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | next step of "we conquer the world": make kenel backups and restore them |
| 23:30.53 | robbiethe1st | I'd expect the /correct/ thing to do would be to somehow keep a Nokia Stock kernel on disk and write it to the kernel partition. |
| 23:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | mtdtools |
| 23:31.18 | robbiethe1st | Actually, what would be involved with writing a kernel - it's seemingly not a mtd partition or anything, just raw data to raw flash? |
| 23:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nanddump, nandwrite |
| 23:32.01 | robbiethe1st | Would DD not work? If it did any bad-block correction it wouldn't, but, does that partition? |
| 23:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nanddump/write handles OOB |
| 23:32.38 | robbiethe1st | OOB? |
| 23:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.00 | robbiethe1st | But what does the kernel partition have? I didn't think it had either? |
| 23:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | NAND has OOB to handle bad blocks |
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| 23:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | (simplified) |
| 23:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] |
| 23:35.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Writes to the specified MTD device. |
| 23:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | oob == out of band (iirc) |
| 23:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 17th bit of a 16bit word |
| 23:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda |
| 23:37.11 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
| 23:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11279473/how-to-correctly-nandwrite-a-nanddumped-dump-with-oob http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Mtdutils |
| 23:45.22 | robbiethe1st | pk |
| 23:45.24 | robbiethe1st | *OK |
| 23:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/general.html |
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| 23:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | BEWARE: >>mtd_torturetest: this test is designed to wear out flash eraseblocks<< it *does*! |
| 23:51.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: also backup/restore CAL ;-) |
| 23:51.55 | robbiethe1st | CAL? |
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| 23:57.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | mtd1 |
| 23:57.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka config |
| 23:57.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | the heart of N900 |
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| 23:59.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | search chanlog for "nandtester" |
