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| 01:22.39 | jpinx | for the last dozen or so reboots of my n900 the filesystem is being mounted read-only. How can I fix this? |
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| 02:25.10 | merlin1991 | jpinx: everything in the file system or only ie MyDocs |
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| 02:28.02 | jpinx | merlin1991: probably only MyDocs |
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| 02:30.00 | merlin1991 | you could unmont it and do a fsckh.vfat on it, though I'd copy my data to a pc first |
| 02:30.43 | jpinx | merlin1991: it's mighty wierd - mount tells me it is rw, but when I try to touch a file in MyDocs it says it's ro |
| 02:31.41 | merlin1991 | jpinx: what does it say in /proc/mounts |
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| 02:33.56 | jpinx | merlin1991: tells me everything on /dev/mmcblk0p2 is rw, but /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat ro,nosui...... |
| 02:34.13 | jpinx | so it appears to be confined to MyDocs |
| 02:34.14 | merlin1991 | so probably the kernel remounted it due to a rw error |
| 02:34.20 | jpinx | Hmmm |
| 02:34.34 | jpinx | merlin1991: I can copy off everythig and do what? |
| 02:34.43 | merlin1991 | well save your data, unmount it, run fschk.vat on it and reboot |
| 02:34.49 | jpinx | fsck that /dev ? |
| 02:34.53 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 02:35.20 | merlin1991 | just make sure you save your data first |
| 02:35.30 | jpinx | ok - cool - thanks - I'll backup and do that now while I'm ssh'd into it |
| 02:35.35 | merlin1991 | the fsck on maemo is a bit older and prone to ruin the filesystem instead of saving it |
| 02:35.48 | jpinx | Ooops |
| 02:36.14 | merlin1991 | as long as you save your data you can just reformat the partition to vfat (everything is on the device) |
| 02:36.38 | merlin1991 | fsck, might be just a tad more convenient if it works out :) |
| 02:38.14 | jpinx | ok -rsyncing data now |
| 02:38.38 | jpinx | I'll do the fsck for the sake of trying it - I have time ;) |
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| 02:39.07 | jpinx | merlin1991: just hope it doesn't b0rk the usb modem mode I'm using now,,, |
| 02:40.12 | merlin1991 | jpinx: that's more than unlikely |
| 02:40.33 | merlin1991 | the usb modem mode is a kernel module, fsck has no influence over that :D |
| 02:42.34 | jpinx | merlin1991: hope so ;) |
| 03:15.16 | jpinx | merlin1991 do you have any idea what this is? .fuse_hidden0000001900000002 1.75G |
| 03:15.26 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 03:15.56 | merlin1991 | but fuse is a userspace filesystem, ususally used to mount ntfs |
| 03:16.00 | merlin1991 | or samba |
| 03:18.48 | jpinx | seems odd -- and big |
| 03:19.29 | jpinx | I wonder if it is something the OVI-suite put in there? |
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| 07:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | soory nope |
| 07:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry even |
| 07:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks like a (possibly stale) fusefs "handle" |
| 07:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | might actually be pc suite |
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| 07:39.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>"You can safely ignore .fuse_hiddenXXXX files. It means a file was deleted but there is at least one software which is still using it, so it can't be removed permanently. It will be done automatically when the relevant software stops using the file or exists. Such files are always gone after umount/reboot. This is how Linux and any Unix works but only FUSE exposes these files to the user. In the future we may try to make them |
| 07:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | unvisible but that's not very simple." NTFS-3G Developer: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/ << |
| 07:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: so this means some process opened a file on your (probably NTFS) remote mounted filesystem |
| 07:43.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | fuse is user space file system, which can mount several real remote filesystems for user, like (most commonly known) sshfs, but also NTFS and others |
| 07:44.14 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: thank you very much for looking in detail |
| 07:45.00 | jpinx | I'm copying the whole of MyDocs onto the laptop and I'll do fsck on that device in the n900. Hopefully that will mount it rw |
| 07:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 07:46.07 | jpinx | failing that I'll consider reformatting the device that's mounted on MyDocs |
| 07:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: beware, fsck on N900 often (or most of the times) literally takes days, since not enough RAM to handle the huge data tables fsck needs to manage to "correct" the metadata in a filesystem |
| 07:51.30 | jpinx | Hmmm |
| 07:51.36 | joga | days? ._o |
| 07:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | better attach N900 to a linux PC via USB, and run fsck there |
| 07:51.47 | jpinx | is it any better if I fsck it ove ssh from the laptop? |
| 07:52.03 | jpinx | ok - snap ;) |
| 07:52.04 | kerio | why would that change anything? :o |
| 07:52.04 | joga | I've done fsck on the device a couple of times and it hasn't taken very long, maybe a couple of minutes, but maybe there wasn't much to fix |
| 07:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | not over ssh, but via mass storage modfe |
| 07:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mode* |
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| 07:52.36 | kerio | is g_nokia opensource? |
| 07:52.51 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ok - I can fsck theat device in massstorage even if it's mounted? |
| 07:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course it depends on number of metadata - read: number of dirs/files - on the volume to check |
| 07:53.39 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: it's annoying that I can not delete a lot of the data befroe fscking -- |
| 07:53.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: mass storage mode umounts the volume on N900 system, and it shouldn't be automounted or at least can get umounted on the PC |
| 07:55.02 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ah - yes - I remmebr now that massstorage messes the native mount up ;) |
| 07:55.12 | jpinx | so that's a feature - not a bug ;) |
| 07:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: that's the whole idea behind all that: on error remount r/o, so nobody can do further damage to data. Otherwise it's unpredictable what happens to data during rm when metadata is corrupt |
| 07:56.19 | jpinx | yep - it allbeomes clear when I am confronted with the inytended use ;) |
| 07:57.49 | jpinx | so I am guessing that selecting mass-storage basically umounts MyDocs ( and /media/mmc ) before mounting them remotely |
| 07:58.20 | kerio | before exporting them |
| 07:58.46 | kerio | g_file_storage just presents them as a usb mass storage device |
| 07:58.47 | jpinx | kerio - ok :) |
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| 08:01.09 | jpinx | rsync-ing from the n900 to the laptop seems slow - running at about 2MB/s - is that normal? |
| 08:03.06 | kerio | jpinx: yep |
| 08:03.25 | kerio | the n900 has too little ram to do meaningful I/O stuff |
| 08:03.42 | kerio | embiggening the queue size helps a lot, though |
| 08:04.22 | jpinx | kerio: ok - what's that and how do I do it? |
| 08:06.25 | kerio | echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests |
| 08:06.29 | kerio | echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests |
| 08:06.34 | kerio | as root |
| 08:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | much appreciated you do it during rsync and watch any change in data thruput |
| 08:08.35 | jpinx | ssh into n900 |
| 08:10.10 | jpinx | I am only doing MyDocs, so only mmcblk0 needed to do.... ? |
| 08:10.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: while you're at it, do a ls ~user/MyDocs/ |
| 08:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ls /media/mmc* |
| 08:11.10 | kerio | jpinx: it's beneficial for both, but yeah |
| 08:11.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* be empty now when both are umounted due to mass storage |
| 08:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops wait, you're still rsyncing. So nothing umounted yet |
| 08:12.06 | jpinx | echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests has put it up to 3.8*MB/s |
| 08:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 08:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just hope it's no temprary effect, until the additional queue entries are also used up |
| 08:13.39 | jpinx | watching the throughput - it never makes it over 4 |
| 08:14.15 | jpinx | but it is significantly faster |
| 08:14.27 | jpinx | do I need to undo that setting at some point? |
| 08:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | continue watching it, it either is persistent or drops to 'old' lower value in a few minutes |
| 08:14.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latest |
| 08:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 08:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 08:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's more like it alas will reset itself during next boot |
| 08:16.21 | jpinx | ok - |
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| 08:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's brobably eating several 100kB of your free RAM though |
| 08:16.34 | jpinx | still chugging at 3.86 |
| 08:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably* |
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| 08:17.09 | jpinx | no sweat on ram . I am only using ss |
| 08:17.16 | jpinx | ...ssh |
| 08:18.33 | jpinx | only the modem using the same usb connection |
| 08:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, mass storage mode will probably conflict with that |
| 08:20.14 | kerio | ...no it won't |
| 08:20.21 | kerio | there just *isn't* |
| 08:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 08:20.50 | kerio | you either have usb networking (g_nokia) or mass storage mode (g_file_storage) |
| 08:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I call conflict |
| 08:21.11 | jpinx | I'm in usb networking atm |
| 08:21.18 | jpinx | not using massstorage |
| 08:21.31 | jpinx | rsyncing by usb network |
| 08:21.50 | jpinx | that's probably why it'sslow - but I need that network to stay online |
| 08:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, USB is capable of ~30MB/s |
| 08:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it also may share that bandwidth to allow rsync and "modem" |
| 08:25.38 | jpinx | still chugging at around 3.8MB/s |
| 08:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | if USB was the bottleneck, then increasing nr_requests wouldn't have helped |
| 08:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: if you like, you might try 16k nr_requests |
| 08:26.37 | mickname | is there a problem with maemo wiki or just my internet? |
| 08:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | see if that even increases speed any further |
| 08:26.56 | mickname | static.maemo.org doesnt seem to work and im missing all the stylesheets/images |
| 08:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org usual weekend outage |
| 08:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | mickname: same here |
| 08:27.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least yesterday |
| 08:28.16 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: what's the syntax to make it do 16K ? |
| 08:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the same ;-) |
| 08:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo 16000 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests |
| 08:28.57 | kerio | 16384 |
| 08:29.06 | kerio | stares at DocScrutinizer05 |
| 08:29.24 | jpinx | Ah-ha ;) |
| 08:30.16 | jpinx | waits for acceleration :) |
| 08:31.31 | jpinx | no significant difference ..... |
| 08:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 08:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for testing |
| 08:32.44 | jpinx | my pleasure |
| 08:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it's no brilliant idea to reduce it to 8k during rsync running. Better wait until it finished |
| 08:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | (if you want to revert to 8k like it's been before) |
| 08:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, maybe these are some of the "reversed" sysnodes? (during boot the uSD is mmcblk0 and internal eMMC is mmcblk1) |
| 08:36.05 | jpinx | I'll sit tight now ;) |
| 08:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | *might* actually need echo 16000 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests |
| 08:37.25 | jpinx | fun's over - rsync completed |
| 08:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 08:37.53 | jpinx | I've noted those tricks for next time ;) |
| 08:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I once even had a wrapper around cp to change that value before copy from one storage to other |
| 08:39.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why? |
| 08:39.42 | kerio | just leave them at the high value |
| 08:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, probably ok as well |
| 08:40.11 | jpinx | kerio: don't think it's persistent acrtoss reboots |
| 08:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: you can edit sbin/preinit or whatever the init script that already does similar setup stuff |
| 08:41.09 | jpinx | ok |
| 08:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep /etc for "echo*>*/dev" |
| 08:41.57 | jpinx | now -- can I run fsck on blk0 while using the usb- network and not lose my modem facility? |
| 08:42.03 | kerio | jpinx: nope |
| 08:42.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, on device |
| 08:42.19 | kerio | only one gadget module can be loaded at the same time |
| 08:42.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't be silly |
| 08:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | already noted it might take days |
| 08:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but there's a chance it will only take minutes |
| 08:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | umount /home/user/MyDocs |
| 08:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p?? |
| 08:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xyawn |
| 08:44.53 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, xyawn is strong coffee |
| 08:44.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how is one supposed to remount it with the same options? |
| 08:45.02 | jpinx | ;) |
| 08:45.12 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.14 | kerio | oh, osso-mmc-mount or something |
| 08:45.20 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.42 | kerio | right |
| 08:45.50 | jpinx | kerio: I'll probably mount it byt eh windows method |
| 08:45.56 | jpinx | reboot ;) |
| 08:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually a mount /home/user/MyDocs should suffice, if fstab is ok |
| 08:46.19 | jpinx | copies out fstab |
| 08:47.17 | jpinx | /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0 0 |
| 08:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like sunday morning nap nevertheless |
| 08:47.40 | jpinx | is that looking sane ? |
| 08:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, just do "mount /home/user/MyDocs" |
| 08:48.28 | jpinx | ok -first to umount and fsck it |
| 08:48.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount *should* automatically use the fstab entry |
| 08:49.38 | jpinx | yes mount -a should be good |
| 08:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, why mount --all ? |
| 08:50.12 | jpinx | it normally mounts anything in fstab that isn't already mounted |
| 08:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount /home/user/MyDocs |
| 08:50.38 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: just me and my bad habits ;) |
| 08:50.44 | jpinx | ok k |
| 08:51.13 | jpinx | goes for broke |
| 08:51.48 | jpinx | umount didn't break anything... |
| 08:52.56 | jpinx | ouch !!!! |
| 08:53.27 | jpinx | fsck ran a lot of errors up..... |
| 08:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's expected |
| 08:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but fsck-ing some 28GB takes time, depending on how much of it actually been used |
| 08:55.31 | jpinx | it's sulking -- or choking ;) |
| 08:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if you run short on real RAM on the procedure, system will enter swap hell and take forever |
| 08:55.38 | jpinx | Reclaimed 214 unused clusters (14024704 bytes). |
| 08:55.38 | jpinx | Free cluster summary wrong (138589 vs. really 138803) |
| 08:55.38 | jpinx | 1) Correct |
| 08:55.38 | jpinx | 2) Don't correct |
| 08:55.38 | jpinx | ? 1 |
| 08:55.40 | jpinx | Invalid input. |
| 08:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | try 'y' |
| 08:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even 'yes' |
| 08:57.02 | jpinx | runs it again |
| 08:58.00 | jpinx | y and yes are invlaid :( |
| 08:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | try yes in you rlocale |
| 08:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I never seen 1)... 2)... on fsck |
| 08:58.52 | jpinx | ??? |
| 08:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | recalls "correct? [y/N]" |
| 08:59.55 | jpinx | you want me to run the fsck on the native screen/(kbd ? |
| 09:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't make much differnece |
| 09:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck -a <device> |
| 09:02.28 | jpinx | not sure what you mean by "try yes in my locale" |
| 09:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're running on fr_FR try 'o' or 'oui', in de_DE try 'j' or 'ja' |
| 09:04.29 | jpinx | everything is in english here |
| 09:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply run "LANG=C fsck ..." |
| 09:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | then never mind |
| 09:05.38 | jpinx | unless my previous connnections from a spanish XP last year have left some traces |
| 09:05.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably maemo fschk is fsckdup (as usual), and you might need to use automatic fixing instead of interactive |
| 09:06.03 | jpinx | I thought this is automatic? |
| 09:06.11 | jpinx | reads man fsck |
| 09:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | try parameters like -a and/or -y |
| 09:08.12 | jpinx | running -a |
| 09:08.53 | jpinx | slow now - it must be munching the errors |
| 09:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll bite own ass for not adding -V |
| 09:09.59 | jpinx | seems to have exited ok - running again |
| 09:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 09:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that was fast |
| 09:10.45 | jpinx | and second run showed no errors :) |
| 09:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 09:11.05 | jpinx | yea - I thought of -V as soon as I hit Return ;) |
| 09:11.17 | jpinx | ok - now to remount |
| 09:11.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount /home/user/MyDocs |
| 09:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount |
| 09:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | >/home/user/MyDocs/xxx |
| 09:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/xxx |
| 09:12.50 | jpinx | ffs -- now there'sa gazzillion fies of FSCK0204.REC |
| 09:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | so fs been thoroughly messed up |
| 09:13.42 | jpinx | I guess I can delete them - they were temps while fsck was working ? |
| 09:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you better mkfs.vfat |
| 09:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | then rsync back your stuff |
| 09:14.09 | jpinx | :( |
| 09:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | no temps, salvaged file remnants |
| 09:14.46 | jpinx | Hmmm .. is it worth deleting and seeing if it breaks anything? |
| 09:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could try |
| 09:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I guess mkfs is faster |
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| 09:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure you're missing real files now, and/or other files got truncated |
| 09:15.48 | jpinx | I can do some damage with rm *.REC |
| 09:17.06 | jpinx | done - and seems like the data is intact |
| 09:17.13 | jpinx | :) |
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| 09:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet some files vanished or got truncated |
| 09:17.29 | jpinx | I'll keep the backups for a few days ;) |
| 09:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | *.REC are RECovered files afaik |
| 09:18.08 | jpinx | I guessed that too |
| 09:18.26 | jpinx | I'll run it until I get a problem and then mkfs and rsync back |
| 09:18.46 | jpinx | thanks for all the hand-holding DocScrutinizer05 -- you're a star ;) |
| 09:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could run rsync right now, to recover ehat got lost |
| 09:19.25 | jpinx | I want to go throught the backup and select stuff I actually don't want |
| 09:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on amount of lost/truncated files this should run considerably faster than full restore |
| 09:20.01 | jpinx | yes - rsync will not waste time doing full copies |
| 09:20.13 | jpinx | if the origina is still ok |
| 09:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what it's made for |
| 09:20.42 | jpinx | is an rsync junkie :) |
| 09:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you however should select rsync options for deep inspection |
| 09:21.10 | jpinx | I backup woth -rphaxPHAX |
| 09:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are file data might have changed despite file size remained unchanged |
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| 09:21.57 | jpinx | will dive into man rsync now... |
| 09:22.35 | jpinx | and I need to go out -- dinner date.... ;) |
| 09:22.45 | jpinx | thanks again for the help dude |
| 09:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | -c checksum-based-check |
| 09:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | c, --checksum skip based on checksum, not mod-time & size |
| 09:42.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: alright, mydocs is in fstab |
| 09:42.16 | kerio | but what about the uSD? |
| 09:43.24 | kerio | jpinx: who goes to dinner at 11 in the morning? :O |
| 09:44.36 | kerio | oh god, syncing contacts with big images is awful |
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| 13:14.41 | briggers | hello hello, anyone around? |
| 13:16.34 | kerio | nope |
| 13:16.37 | kerio | no one here |
| 13:16.53 | kerio | we knew you needed help, so we ran away |
| 13:17.00 | kerio | HA |
| 13:17.18 | briggers | :( |
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| 13:17.34 | kerio | might be lying slightly |
| 13:18.00 | briggers | haha |
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| 13:19.07 | briggers | I requested permission to upload to Extras-devel last friday. I still dont have permission. It's been a week so I was wondering if there's anyone I can poke to look into it? |
| 13:20.05 | kerio | hm, afaik maemo.org had some problems, and it's still not working properly |
| 13:20.58 | briggers | It's been acting weird for me only today, seems like the style sheets arent loading. |
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| 13:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | briggers: X-Fade |
| 13:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | briggers: I think he said he's on holiday or sth |
| 13:32.45 | briggers | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks a lot. I'll PM him next friday then |
| 13:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and |
| 13:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 13:33.44 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 13:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen X-Fade |
| 13:34.18 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'. |
| 13:34.47 | briggers | sweet, thanks for the infobot tips. |
| 13:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | !seen X-Fade |
| 13:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | povbot_: seen X-Fade |
| 13:37.41 | povbot_ | DocScrutinizer05: X-Fade was last seen in #maemo 6 weeks, 4 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <X-Fade> ZogG_laptop: Servers owned by Nemein. |
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| 13:45.26 | GGon | hm |
| 13:45.29 | GGon | apt-cyg is nice in cygwin |
| 13:45.37 | GGon | i should try learning how to develop using cygwin :) |
| 13:47.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAH! |
| 13:47.54 | GGon | heh |
| 13:48.00 | GGon | cygwin and C# :-P |
| 13:48.07 | GGon | talk about a kick in the teeth |
| 13:48.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | runs |
| 13:48.46 | GGon | i'm installing a bunch of dev tools now |
| 13:48.53 | GGon | going to bust out the C for dummies book and go to work :) |
| 13:49.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | immediately starts feeling same allergic itching again he felt with last job |
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| 14:46.12 | Flyser | Does anyone have experience with the different variants of fennec/firefox builds for N900? which one would you recommend? |
| 14:48.30 | kerio | Flyser: if you're willing to install some experimental stuff, cssu-thumb has a thumb2 build of fennec |
| 14:48.37 | kerio | it's... usable, strangely enough |
| 14:49.41 | Flyser | I guess I would have to install all of cssu-thumb? |
| 14:49.43 | kerio | you need at least a patched kernel though, there's a SiErr with the n900's cpu |
| 14:49.51 | kerio | nah, not all of it |
| 14:50.03 | Flyser | I am using kernel power, which is patched |
| 14:50.13 | kerio | then download the deb from the repo and try it |
| 14:51.25 | kerio | don't enable the repo or it'll prompt you to install all the things |
| 14:51.48 | kerio | freemangordon: fennec from -thumb should work fine, as long as you have a thumby kernel, right? |
| 14:59.34 | Flyser | kerio: It will update libstdc++6 |
| 14:59.53 | Flyser | I don't think that's a good idea, if I dont use all of cssu-thumb |
| 14:59.57 | kerio | 'hm |
| 15:00.03 | kerio | have you enabled the repo? |
| 15:00.25 | kerio | just manually download the fennec .deb |
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| 15:02.24 | Flyser | that does not work |
| 15:02.42 | Flyser | missing dependencies |
| 15:02.53 | kerio | Flyser: i can see that it depends on libstdc++6>=4.7.2-0+cssu0 |
| 15:03.02 | kerio | do you not even have cssu installed? :( |
| 15:03.09 | Flyser | yes |
| 15:03.12 | Flyser | testing |
| 15:03.16 | kerio | ...hm |
| 15:03.26 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 15:04.41 | kerio | it's a thumb thing, yea |
| 15:04.42 | kerio | h |
| 15:05.41 | kerio | Flyser: i'm sorry :( |
| 15:06.56 | kerio | or, rather, it's a gcc4.7 thing |
| 15:07.09 | Flyser | I see |
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| 16:22.31 | abufaisal | Hi all, Is there a way to read the sms messages using QBW? |
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| 16:38.03 | kerio | ~thumb |
| 16:38.03 | infobot | Configurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/ |
| 16:38.13 | kerio | ...wat |
| 16:38.44 | kerio | ~cssu-thumb |
| 16:39.07 | kerio | infobot: cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively |
| 16:39.08 | infobot | okay, kerio |
| 16:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders what you'll do when I change my nick to <ACTION> or <REPLY> ;-P |
| 16:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu-thumb |
| 16:41.19 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively |
| 16:50.20 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 16:50.54 | kerio | message endorsed by the Scrutinizing PhDs Foundation |
| 16:55.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll eventually endorse it with a side-by-side video comparision |
| 16:55.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
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| 17:35.56 | deepy | kerio: got my N900 now |
| 17:36.09 | kerio | cool story bro |
| 17:36.23 | kerio | ~flashing |
| 17:36.23 | infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:37.17 | kerio | flash both COMBINED and VANILLA |
| 17:37.26 | deepy | the switch on the opposite of the charger is the power on? |
| 17:37.36 | kerio | no, the power on is on the top |
| 17:37.46 | kerio | that switch is the lock slider |
| 17:39.04 | deepy | Ah! |
| 17:41.04 | deepy | does that nuke the lock code? |
| 17:43.05 | kerio | nope |
| 17:43.28 | kerio | the default lock code is 12345, like every nokia |
| 17:44.19 | deepy | Oh |
| 17:44.27 | kerio | it shouldn't ask for it, though |
| 17:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually flashing both *does* nuke lockcode afaik |
| 17:44.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure? i thought it was stored in CAL |
| 17:45.09 | kerio | deepy: in the first boot, don't keep your SIM in |
| 17:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the code is stored in CAL, the flag that decides whether to ask for it not |
| 17:45.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh good point |
| 17:45.46 | kerio | deepy: don't put your SIM in until you have reflashed it, don't put your SIM in in your first boot until you have removed cherry |
| 17:45.50 | kerio | (or installed notmynokia) |
| 17:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: indeed see 'cherry' in: |
| 17:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 17:45.58 | infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 17:46.32 | deepy | Is there a chance that I do not need to flash it? |
| 17:46.43 | kerio | deepy: seriously? :s |
| 17:46.56 | deepy | It's a second-hand. |
| 17:47.00 | kerio | is there a chance you don't need to reinstall the OS on your new computer? |
| 17:47.07 | deepy | fair enough |
| 17:47.10 | kerio | it being second-hand makes it even worse |
| 17:47.32 | kerio | how much did you pay for it, btw? |
| 17:47.37 | deepy | 110 |
| 17:47.44 | kerio | ...neat |
| 17:47.48 | kerio | hates deepy |
| 17:48.00 | deepy | It's okay |
| 17:48.06 | deepy | There's a slight scratch on one of the corners |
| 17:48.46 | deepy | oh darn |
| 17:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you better practice flashing now that you don't have to lose anything |
| 17:48.54 | deepy | do I need Linux to flash stuff to it? |
| 17:49.06 | kerio | no, but iirc the windows flasher is kinda meh |
| 17:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you'll be happy about your knowledge later on, when you really need it |
| 17:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | linux strongly recommended for flashing. Allegedly it works under some winduze versions too, but honestly support for that is sparse |
| 17:50.17 | kerio | it's not "to flash stuff" |
| 17:50.20 | kerio | it's "to flash the OS, once" |
| 17:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, get used to it nevertheless |
| 17:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you'll be scared when you messed up, while you actually shouldn't be scared at all |
| 17:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing is painless, once you got the prerequisites together |
| 17:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't have a proper linux PC, use a live CD and a USB memory stick for the flasher binary and the images |
| 17:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a zillion linux distros with nice live-CD support in the internet |
| 17:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you actually try flashing under windows, if it works for you then fine, why not |
| 17:56.15 | deepy | Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 |
| 17:56.19 | deepy | is that the one I want? |
| 17:56.31 | kerio | yep |
| 17:56.57 | kerio | regardless of the hardware |
| 17:57.43 | deepy | Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 - I flash that one first? |
| 17:57.56 | deepy | err, the one that says latest |
| 17:58.11 | deepy | Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 |
| 17:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 17:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | latest VANILLA and latest COMBINED |
| 17:58.51 | kerio | deepy: you have to not boot between the flashing of vanilla and combined |
| 17:59.09 | deepy | it's okay, I am keeping that in mind |
| 17:59.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | vanilla you only want to flash once, usually you don't need that, it's "user data" |
| 18:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | read the page infobot linked you to, *completely*, it has proper instructions |
| 18:01.09 | deepy | We're looking at 16kb/s, I'm gonna sort it out tomorrow |
| 18:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you'll learn the first basics about your N900 |
| 18:03.14 | kerio | no, sort it out right now! :( |
| 18:03.39 | deepy | How am I going to sort it out today? |
| 18:03.56 | deepy | there's 5 hours left on the download |
| 18:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: he'll need to download quite some MB of images, that will take til tomorrow anyway on 16kbps |
| 18:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: just plenty of time to read that page about flashing ;-) |
| 18:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 18:04.32 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 18:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | read it *completely* |
| 18:05.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch out when it talks about COMBINED and when about VANILLA, esp in commands quoted |
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| 18:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | read both the instructions for linux and those for windows, notice the similarities |
| 18:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you've finished, read it again |
| 18:09.18 | deepy | okay, freed up a lot of bandwidth |
| 18:09.22 | deepy | still lagging as much as before |
| 18:09.55 | kerio | lag is different from throughput, though |
| 18:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | correlates |
| 18:10.24 | kerio | a truck filled with hard drives is incredibly laggy, but the throughput is amazing |
| 18:10.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sure, until you order one HDD again |
| 18:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it got damaged on first shipment |
| 18:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if you have to read out some README on first HDD to know which is the second to order, you're doomed |
| 18:12.33 | kerio | haha |
| 18:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | since that whole nice truck will only deliver one HDD every 2 weeks |
| 18:13.25 | kerio | just throw some redundancy in it |
| 18:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | which for sure is less usable bandwidth than even my cheesy 2MB DSL |
| 18:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2Mbit actually |
| 18:14.06 | kerio | you have a 2Mbit connection? :( |
| 18:14.14 | kerio | is really sorry for you |
| 18:14.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
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| 18:22.05 | deepy | 25m left |
| 18:22.41 | deepy | also, snail mailing usb sticks is one of the fastest ways to transfer data in several countries |
| 18:22.50 | kerio | :D |
| 18:23.37 | kerio | a station wagon filled with microSDs holds *a lot* of data |
| 18:23.57 | kerio | the seek time is kinda bad, though |
| 18:24.18 | kerio | even without considering the time to move it from a place to the next |
| 18:25.53 | kerio | deepy: things you should do once you have flashed correctly: boot without your SIM in, touch .cherry_state |
| 18:26.01 | kerio | from xterm |
| 18:26.11 | kerio | then maybe install CSSU |
| 18:26.40 | deepy | are those listed in the flashing page that you and Doc linkedme to? |
| 18:28.37 | kerio | no, that's after |
| 18:29.00 | kerio | boot without your SIM in because there's a stupid thing, the internal name is cherry, which registers you to the MyNokia service via sms |
| 18:31.20 | kerio | hm, afterwards i'd get root (install rootsh from the package manager), and remove cherry and the stuff that ends with "-installer" |
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| 18:37.22 | deepy | kerio: what's the mynokia service? |
| 18:37.30 | kerio | shit |
| 18:37.45 | kerio | they send you ads and other silly stuff |
| 18:39.03 | deepy | Can I contact Nokia and get a refund on the SMS? |
| 18:41.34 | kerio | deepy: in theory? |
| 18:41.36 | kerio | idk |
| 18:41.48 | kerio | it's probably not worth it, as usual |
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| 18:56.38 | deepy | okay. so VANILLA is the first to flash? |
| 18:56.52 | kerio | yeah, you have to reboot once you flash COMBINED |
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| 19:01.10 | deepy | beh, drivers |
| 19:01.45 | kerio | windows? :c |
| 19:01.53 | deepy | yes |
| 19:01.54 | kerio | bad deepy, bad |
| 19:02.04 | deepy | Punch NVidia for me |
| 19:02.10 | deepy | Not my fault that Optimus is no go on BSD |
| 19:02.20 | kerio | why not linux? :D |
| 19:03.00 | deepy | It's no good there either |
| 19:03.26 | kerio | well of course is not, linus keeps giving nvidia the finger |
| 19:03.32 | kerio | it's no surprise they get upset :3 |
| 19:04.14 | deepy | Once this message appears, run inf-wizard.exe from libusb-win32 package and create an inf file for "N900 (PC Suite Mode)" and install this inf driver |
| 19:04.33 | deepy | how's that going to solve any-oh |
| 19:08.09 | Jaffa | X-Fade: (and anyone else with access) - static.maemo.org (what serves the CSS) is down. |
| 19:08.52 | deepy | Installing Driver... - So how was your day? |
| 19:08.59 | deepy | I like this application |
| 19:12.58 | kerio | libusb never cared for my feelings :( |
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| 19:18.33 | deepy | okay, somethin May(tm) have gone wrong |
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| 19:26.29 | deepy | woo, now it worked! |
| 19:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice |
| 19:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | just make sure you always flash COMBINED _last_ |
| 19:30.38 | deepy | Ah no, I kinda missed half of combineds install at first |
| 19:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | because after flashing COMBINED, each subsequent power-up (plug in USB) or reboot will start a process known as optification, that will get destroyed when you flash VANILLA after that process got started |
| 19:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the result is undefined |
| 19:32.14 | deepy | say I want to install something, what do I use_ |
| 19:32.15 | deepy | ? |
| 19:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually something like no icons, no character but only squares, etc |
| 19:32.18 | deepy | ovi store? |
| 19:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, |
| 19:32.33 | deepy | only squares is what I had |
| 19:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | use Application Manager |
| 19:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka HAM |
| 19:33.55 | deepy | I dont seem to have Application Manager or HAM |
| 19:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ovi store is retarded |
| 19:34.09 | deepy | found it |
| 19:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 19:35.34 | deepy | Not sorted alphabetically |
| 19:35.37 | deepy | it was in my blindspot |
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| 19:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might appreciate apmefo, which gives you sub-menus there, so you could sort app icons like you want |
| 19:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | group them |
| 19:39.10 | Skry | anyone have maemo sdk installed? |
| 19:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 19:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few do |
| 19:40.10 | Skry | Yeah, sure. Do you have? |
| 19:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't tell you much about it though, except its size of ~5GB |
| 19:40.44 | deepy | I can't search for things in app manager? |
| 19:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, just type |
| 19:41.02 | deepy | ... |
| 19:41.06 | deepy | this is too user friendly for me |
| 19:41.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 19:41.19 | Skry | Yeah, had it, dony usually need it, removed it, now I need few defines from sgxdefs.h |
| 19:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | for mee too |
| 19:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | shoot |
| 19:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmdline preferred |
| 19:42.10 | kerio | deepy: you'll soon notice that HAM sucks balls |
| 19:42.40 | kerio | cool people only use it to install a way to access apt-get |
| 19:42.46 | deepy | any decent IRC clients? |
| 19:42.54 | kerio | deepy: is xchat decent? |
| 19:42.55 | deepy | I find the lack of META key disturbing |
| 19:43.00 | kerio | otherwise, screen |
| 19:43.03 | kerio | er |
| 19:43.06 | kerio | screen+irssi, i meant |
| 19:43.22 | kerio | but the builtin terminal emulator is kinda lacking in the fancy things |
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| 19:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: pretty please stop confusing new users |
| 19:43.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but he's an acquaintance of mine! |
| 19:43.50 | deepy | DocScrutinizer05: no worries, I <3 kerio |
| 19:43.52 | kerio | and he plays nethack |
| 19:43.59 | kerio | and he <3 me! |
| 19:45.17 | kerio | deepy: anyway, HAM is some sort of frontend to dpkg, kinda like apt |
| 19:45.38 | kerio | there are some repositories you'll probably want to enable |
| 19:45.59 | kerio | or "catalogs", as they're called in HAM |
| 19:46.03 | Skry | Okay, rephrasing.. Could someone be so kind to get me the defines of EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_* from sgxdefs.h, please? |
| 19:46.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is extras-devel still bad to recommend? |
| 19:46.32 | kerio | extras-testing is outrageously outdated |
| 19:47.04 | kerio | i mean, what's the last package that was promoted to testing? |
| 19:47.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel ok'ish for transient usage when there's no sonvenient version available in extras |
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| 19:48.17 | Deepa | okay, I get your point about xchat |
| 19:48.25 | kerio | huh? |
| 19:48.29 | kerio | which point? |
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| 19:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: still cmdline preferred |
| 19:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | but wait, I might locate sgxdefs.h |
| 19:48.58 | kerio | anyway, choose "nokia sans semibold 14" black-on-white |
| 19:49.00 | kerio | as the font |
| 19:49.04 | Deepa | all of them |
| 19:49.06 | kerio | it becomes much better |
| 19:50.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: grep EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE /btr77G/scratchbox/users/jr/home/jr/maemo_kernel/kernel-2.6.28/drivers/gpu/pvr/sgxdefs.h ->null |
| 19:51.09 | freemangordon | hmm, xorg-fbdev? |
| 19:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: grep E /btr77G/scratchbox/users/jr/home/jr/maemo_kernel/kernel-2.6.28/drivers/gpu/pvr/sgxdefs.h -> 3 lines, unrelated |
| 19:53.30 | freemangordon | Skry: iirc you won't find that in sgxdefs.h |
| 19:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | should I grep some dir for you? |
| 19:54.22 | freemangordon | iirc it comes with SGX SDK, the one made specially for nokia, I think I found the correct header somewhere, lemme try to find it |
| 19:54.43 | freemangordon | Skry: what do you try to rebuild, sgx xorg driver? |
| 19:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep -R EURASIA /btr77G/scratchbox/users/jr/home/jr/maemo_kernel/kernel-2.6.28/drivers/ -> nada |
| 19:55.15 | Skry | freemangordon: that would be nice thanks. Yeah, fbdev-sgx. |
| 19:55.51 | Skry | DocScrutinizer05: Google was wrong, apparently it is not in maemo sdk. |
| 19:55.54 | Skry | thanks anyway |
| 19:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^c's the grep |
| 19:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh finished |
| 19:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep -R EURASIA /btr77G/scratchbox/users/jr/home/jr/maemo_kernel/kernel-2.6.28/ -> nada |
| 19:56.43 | freemangordon | Skry: I managed to rebuild it once, gimme some time to find the files |
| 19:56.48 | kerio | deepy: whatcha doin? |
| 19:57.23 | deepy | just getting used to it |
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| 19:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: xchat without customization is unbearable |
| 19:57.46 | Skry | freemangordon: I'm doing an experiment to see if it builds and even partially works with modules/other shit from TI sdk |
| 19:57.53 | deepy | yes |
| 19:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrxchat |
| 19:57.58 | infobot | it has been said that jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ |
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| 19:58.18 | Skry | I so much hate both Imation blah and Nokia right now :S |
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| 19:59.07 | freemangordon | Skry: I know, it ttok me a couple of weeks until I magaed to gather all of the pieces |
| 19:59.28 | freemangordon | btw which driver you are trying to build, maemo5 or meego |
| 19:59.37 | Skry | meego |
| 19:59.48 | freemangordon | aah, just a minute ;) |
| 19:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: ^^^ cp those to ~/.xchat2/ |
| 20:00.10 | kerio | deepy: you probably want to remap some or most of the shift+fn+<key> combinations |
| 20:00.14 | Skry | actually it is something i found on github which is based on meego, ubuntu stuff most likely |
| 20:00.19 | freemangordon | Skry: ti-omap3-sgx-devel-1.4.20090218.189-2.1.armv7l.rpm |
| 20:00.26 | freemangordon | do you have that one? |
| 20:00.30 | deepy | Can I control my phone from my PC? |
| 20:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: or just do what I just wrote |
| 20:00.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, i meant in general |
| 20:00.46 | Skry | freemangordon: wait a sec, at least i had it at some point |
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| 20:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: partially |
| 20:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol |
| 20:01.13 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 20:01.18 | freemangordon | and iirc you'll need ti-omap3-sgx-libGLESv1-devel-1.4.20090218.189-2.1.armv7l.rpm and ti-omap3-sgx-libGLESv2-devel-1.4.20090218.189-2.1.armv7l.rpm too |
| 20:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see "app" named same |
| 20:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is basically a script wrapping up all that stuff on wiki page |
| 20:02.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my shift+fn+home row is *+%~|[]]^` and my shift+fn+bottom row is £$€<>{}@ |
| 20:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | condolences ;-P |
| 20:02.42 | kerio | no, it's the shit |
| 20:02.52 | Skry | freemangordon: those should be in TI sdk, just trying to get nokia specific stuff required to build that one. |
| 20:03.02 | freemangordon | #define EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_ALIGN08UL |
| 20:03.04 | freemangordon | #define EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_ALIGNSHIFT03 |
| 20:03.06 | freemangordon | #define EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_ALIGN18UL |
| 20:03.08 | freemangordon | #define EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_ALIGNSHIFT13 |
| 20:03.10 | freemangordon | #define EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_THRESHOLD0 |
| 20:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: first of all you want ssh access to phone, prferrably via WLAN |
| 20:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: so get ssh pkg via HAM |
| 20:03.51 | freemangordon | Skry: for some reason I have defined them in sgx_exa.c |
| 20:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're on windows, you still can use PuTTY to log in to phone |
| 20:04.22 | freemangordon | can't remember where did I got that from, maybe I parsed the headers manually |
| 20:04.29 | Skry | freemangordon: that's the file that needs those, guess you've been doing same stuff as I am :P |
| 20:04.34 | freemangordon | yes |
| 20:04.54 | freemangordon | and I managed to extract those defines from somewhere, don't ask, just can't remember |
| 20:05.11 | freemangordon | are these what you need? |
| 20:05.19 | freemangordon | Skry: ^^^ |
| 20:05.36 | Skry | freemangordon: yes those are the ones, thank you. did you ever get your build to work? |
| 20:06.02 | freemangordon | Skry: no, as I was trying to build it for maemo5. |
| 20:06.06 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.21 | deepy | DocScrutinizer05: already installed SSH |
| 20:06.25 | deepy | wash oping to like do X forwarding |
| 20:06.36 | freemangordon | and because of the older X it does not even compile |
| 20:06.39 | kerio | deepy: it's doable, but not for some builtin applications |
| 20:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: won't work afaik |
| 20:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | due to H-D |
| 20:06.51 | freemangordon | (something with suspend/resume iirc) |
| 20:06.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: really? |
| 20:07.04 | kerio | i thought it was mostly because of maemo-launcher |
| 20:07.09 | kerio | or maemo-invoker or whatever |
| 20:07.13 | Skry | freemangordon: aah, ok :) We'll see if I have any luck, somehow I doubt that. |
| 20:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, whatever |
| 20:07.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway X forwarding doesn't work afaik |
| 20:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | vnc might work |
| 20:07.43 | deepy | does it work the other way? |
| 20:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, definitely |
| 20:07.53 | kerio | deepy: the other way is more likely to work |
| 20:07.55 | freemangordon | Skry: but building maemo5 xorg-fbdev in SB works, I was playing with it when doing 720p for n900 |
| 20:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | vnc work great |
| 20:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno for X fwd |
| 20:08.49 | freemangordon | Skry: will try to find which header I got that from |
| 20:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | some 2 years ago I could get access to my PC desktop by clicking an icon |
| 20:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | been a tad annoying due to PC desktop's resolutions >> N900 |
| 20:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (vnc that is) |
| 20:10.24 | kerio | the thing is, x forwarding a desktop application on the n900 will leave your eyes really straining |
| 20:10.36 | kerio | because most normal desktop programs expect the DPI to be 96 or something |
| 20:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah! |
| 20:11.03 | vi__ | some really cool stuff has come out of the 2012 coding competition. |
| 20:11.25 | vi__ | at the the risk of appearing to be a total spazz... |
| 20:11.40 | freemangordon | wpemulator? |
| 20:11.43 | freemangordon | :D |
| 20:11.57 | kerio | wat |
| 20:12.09 | freemangordon | kerio: you don't know it |
| 20:12.23 | freemangordon | boy, you're lame :P |
| 20:15.20 | freemangordon | Skry: ti-omap3-sgx-devel-1.4.20090218.189-2.1.armv7l.rpm, file /usr/include/SGX/hwdefs/sgxdefs.h |
| 20:17.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: sorry I used an inapprioate approach when you shown up here, didn't expect you going straight x forwarding ;-) |
| 20:17.27 | deepy | No worries :) |
| 20:17.45 | deepy | I just spent a minute looking for the calculator |
| 20:18.22 | deepy | ooh, ipython |
| 20:18.24 | nox- | you can use python for that too... |
| 20:18.37 | kerio | deepy: standard python REPL or gtfo |
| 20:18.39 | vi__ | deepy: you got xforwarding to work? |
| 20:18.42 | Skry | freemangordon: thanks, I'll take a look at that, these undeclareds just keep on coming :) |
| 20:18.55 | deepy | but ipython has a sexy terminal I heard |
| 20:19.01 | deepy | vi__: not yet, it's on my todo list |
| 20:19.10 | deepy | it just struck me that I have nothing to X forward :D |
| 20:19.21 | kerio | hahaha |
| 20:19.24 | kerio | xterm, maybe? |
| 20:19.37 | freemangordon | Skry: you'll need this -dev package installewd, there are lots of defines there |
| 20:19.59 | freemangordon | Skry: have in mind there are severel versions |
| 20:20.04 | freemangordon | *several |
| 20:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spank kerio |
| 20:20.21 | infobot | ACTION bends kerio over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on kerio's pasty white buttocks. |
| 20:20.41 | kerio | my buttocks aren't *that* white |
| 20:20.43 | vi__ | deepy: please not a lot of maemo programs fail hard over xforwarding. |
| 20:21.13 | vi__ | they try to run full screen and do other wierd stuff. |
| 20:21.59 | freemangordon | Skry: ti-omap3-sgx-bin-1.4.20090218.189-armv7l.tar.gz is the way to go, it has both libs and headers, try to find it over the inet |
| 20:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and launcherized stuff won't forward at all |
| 20:22.21 | vi__ | all in all, xforwarding sucks. |
| 20:22.26 | freemangordon | Skry: i'll upload it somewhere for you if you don't find it on meego servers |
| 20:22.27 | deepy | kerio: no twisted by default :( |
| 20:22.42 | kerio | deepy: sudo apt-get install python-twisted |
| 20:23.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | find /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin -name '*.launch' |
| 20:23.39 | deepy | just struck me |
| 20:23.51 | deepy | I don't know my password |
| 20:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no xterm forwarding for kerio ;-P |
| 20:24.27 | deepy | silly rootsh |
| 20:24.37 | kerio | rootsh is silly, indeed |
| 20:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | no password |
| 20:24.45 | kerio | and su doesn't work |
| 20:24.48 | kerio | because of messybox |
| 20:25.03 | kerio | set passwords for user and root, and add user to sudoers |
| 20:25.17 | kerio | (add an entry in a new file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and run update-sudoers) |
| 20:25.30 | Skry | freemangordon: found it. damn, this looks like it's getting more and more complicated :S |
| 20:25.30 | deepy | is there any keyboard alt+tabby thing? |
| 20:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing sshd should've asked you for root password |
| 20:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
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| 20:25.55 | freemangordon | Skry: sorry for maybe the stupid question, but what do you try to achieve? |
| 20:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: see: |
| 20:26.08 | deepy | DocScrutinizer05: I must be suid to work properly though |
| 20:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 20:26.09 | infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 20:26.21 | deepy | so no su to root in busybee for me |
| 20:26.31 | kerio | deepy: nope, use sudo |
| 20:26.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | use root |
| 20:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | root = su - ; sudo gainroot = su |
| 20:27.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | "root" is a literal command |
| 20:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | like is "sudo gainroot" |
| 20:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | both come with rootsh pkg |
| 20:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither will usually ask for any password |
| 20:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you have a look at ~jrtools and fix that crap |
| 20:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I have a brillinat idea: I'll simply chmod -x apt-worker, and get me a lil scriptie that makes it temporarily +x after asking for root pw |
| 20:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixed, next please! |
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| 20:33.13 | deepy | hmm |
| 20:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
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| 20:36.07 | deepy | kerio: Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search python|grep twisted |
| 20:36.08 | deepy | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 20:36.12 | deepy | :( |
| 20:37.27 | deepy | there's no python-twisted! |
| 20:37.42 | kerio | that's what you deserve for not being as bleeding-edgy as me |
| 20:37.54 | deepy | Oh I have plenty of bleeding edges |
| 20:38.09 | deepy | Tell me good Sir. What edge do I need to introduce the knife to? |
| 20:38.20 | kerio | the "catalogs" edge in HAM |
| 20:38.30 | kerio | or /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:38.38 | kerio | but if i tell you more, DocScrutinizer05 will yell at me |
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| 20:40.18 | kerio | anyway, before doing anything apart from the really basic system stuff, you should install CSSU |
| 20:40.41 | kerio | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 20:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 20:42.29 | kerio | and before installing CSSU, you should install backupmenu! |
| 20:42.39 | kerio | deepy: do you have a uSD? |
| 20:42.57 | deepy | a 32GB one on the inside of the phone |
| 20:43.02 | kerio | neat |
| 20:43.06 | deepy | or so I think |
| 20:43.19 | kerio | huh? |
| 20:43.31 | kerio | what does "on the inside of the phone" mean? |
| 20:43.59 | deepy | It's relevant since I cba to flip the phone and remove the cover :P |
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| 20:44.25 | kerio | oh, btw |
| 20:44.32 | kerio | the backcover matters a lot |
| 20:44.48 | deepy | hmm? |
| 20:44.49 | kerio | removing the backcover halts any communication to and from the uSD |
| 20:45.36 | deepy | This reminds me of an incident with my previous phone |
| 20:47.33 | deepy | touched the SD card |
| 20:47.35 | deepy | got a shock |
| 20:48.22 | deepy | Also, I can't find backupmenu with app manager or apt-cache |
| 20:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 20:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 20:49.00 | infobot | methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 20:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | a goodie for you: http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 20:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/ |
| 20:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously all in -devel |
| 20:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: you really might want to have a glance at |
| 20:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 20:50.53 | infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 20:51.12 | kerio | deepy: you really might want to enable extras-devel |
| 20:51.18 | deepy | extra-devel to repo.maemo.org? |
| 20:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 20:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or just read extra-fine jrtools |
| 20:51.52 | deepy | repository.maemo.org/extras? |
| 20:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS read that page, click that install file |
| 20:52.19 | kerio | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
| 20:52.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've put it there for your convenience |
| 20:52.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is it the same as the official .install? |
| 20:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | which official .install? |
| 20:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just installs 3 repos |
| 20:53.56 | kerio | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/install/extras-devel-fremantle.install |
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| 20:59.52 | deepy | WARNING!===============WARNING!===============WARNING! |
| 20:59.53 | deepy | Using i2c-tools and especially i2cset may cause serious permanent HARDWARE damage to the device, use it with caution and ONLY if you know what you're doing. |
| 21:00.03 | deepy | permanent hardware damage? |
| 21:00.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:00.39 | SpeedEvil | you can typo, and mis-set a power supply |
| 21:00.47 | SpeedEvil | kill stuff instantly |
| 21:00.52 | deepy | ooo |
| 21:01.06 | kerio | deepy: oh, another thing |
| 21:01.11 | kerio | deepy: do not nandtest |
| 21:01.41 | deepy | is it a command? |
| 21:01.44 | kerio | yeah |
| 21:01.49 | kerio | in mtd-tools |
| 21:01.52 | deepy | I will remember not to use it |
| 21:01.55 | kerio | it's a destructive test |
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| 21:02.13 | kerio | in general, don't write to /dev/mtd1 under any circumstance |
| 21:02.29 | deepy | How come there's a destructive test? |
| 21:02.31 | kerio | it's hardly recoverable |
| 21:02.37 | kerio | deepy: ask the mtd-tools dudes |
| 21:02.51 | kerio | i had to reinstall my sheevaplug because of it :3 |
| 21:02.58 | kerio | luckily the sheevaplug has a builtin JTAG interface |
| 21:03.13 | kerio | but /dev/mtd1 on the N900 holds some pretty important data that can't easily be rebuilt |
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| 21:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway |
| 21:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: you might want to hit F5 on your browser page to jrtools |
| 21:29.59 | deepy | does it have css? |
| 21:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I updated the parially obsolete shit there |
| 21:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | not today ;-P |
| 21:30.34 | deepy | does the wiki usually have css? |
| 21:30.35 | kerio | static.maemo.org is still down the shitter |
| 21:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | not today though |
| 21:30.45 | deepy | ah, goodie |
| 21:30.55 | kerio | it's pretty |
| 21:30.55 | deepy | it's still in the i2c-tools install phase :/ |
| 21:30.58 | kerio | all orange and stuff |
| 21:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 21:31.23 | deepy | d'oh |
| 21:31.23 | kerio | what? |
| 21:31.28 | deepy | It was prompting me to accept that on the phone |
| 21:31.33 | kerio | LOL |
| 21:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might have missed a notifier on device display |
| 21:31.41 | kerio | why are you installing i2c-tools? |
| 21:31.50 | deepy | it was pulled in by backupmenu |
| 21:31.54 | kerio | oh, right |
| 21:32.18 | kerio | deepy: there's no proper debconf support, so most packages that ask for a confirmation will do so on screen |
| 21:33.52 | deepy | Where should I pu the backup? |
| 21:33.57 | deepy | mass storage? |
| 21:34.13 | deepy | oh nvm |
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| 21:43.52 | kerio | deepy: MyDocs/systemBackups or mmc1/systemBackups |
| 21:51.19 | kerio | deepy: oh, btw |
| 21:51.25 | kerio | something that we should've told you before |
| 21:51.44 | kerio | use a file to grind down the "teeth" on the microusb plug for both the usb cable and the wallcharger |
| 21:52.53 | kerio | the microusb port is the most common point of failure |
| 21:53.29 | deepy | oO |
| 21:53.46 | deepy | I'm gonna have to get a picture of that tomorrow |
| 22:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: or don't listen to kerio, since he's a radical. Just insert the plug a hundered times into some other device with stronger USB port, and apply a bit of graphite by painting the outer of sleeve and latches with a soft pencil |
| 22:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | filing down latches is not recommended, since it will eventually result in USB too loose, and also may cause iron dust inside USB plug which is a really nasty thing to have |
| 22:44.01 | Luke-Jr | O.o |
| 22:44.05 | Luke-Jr | I soldered my USB ports down |
| 22:54.21 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 22:55.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 22:55.21 | infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 22:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>... BEFORE and after it's too late<< |
| 22:56.44 | SpeedEvil | also, if you want to seal your device, I would not recommend epoxy |
| 22:57.29 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silicone-encapsulant-for-solar-cells-3-3-kg-QSIL-216-/280901002447?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item41670124cf |
| 22:58.08 | SpeedEvil | for example |
| 22:58.22 | SpeedEvil | low modulo us silicone |
| 23:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: do you know of any decent low-resistance electrically conductive glue? |
| 23:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, there's silver varnish |
| 23:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | anything else/better? |
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| 23:30.58 | SpeedEvil | it's all expensive |
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| 23:58.55 | wirr | hi all... noticed there's a file /etc/default/osso-mmc-blacklist.sh referencend in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh. Anyone knows how to make use of it? I'm getting /dev/dm-0 mounted instead of /dev/mmcblk0p1 |