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| 00:12.33 | GGon | damn |
| 00:12.46 | GGon | what was the common way to mount a directory into another one as though it were mounted locally? |
| 00:12.51 | GGon | can't remember |
| 00:13.20 | GGon | oh |
| 00:13.21 | GGon | bind |
| 00:13.22 | GGon | duh |
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| 00:15.35 | diegojsRW | Hi. I won a N810 this weekend, and a another tablet (BlackBerry PlayBook). I tried to share files by Bluetooth to the BlackBerry, without success (because PlayBook doesn't support FTP protocol over Bluetooth). I tried then, to share files over network (SAMBA, NetBIOS). I found "samba" at Maemo repositories, and tried to install, I got it. As I didn't found a applet to control what folders I want to share, I tried to install "smbfs", but it requires "samb |
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| 00:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff |
| 00:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | diegojsRW: your post got trunkated |
| 00:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | also |
| 00:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 00:44.22 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 00:44.53 | diegojsRW | Hi. I won a N810 this weekend, and a another tablet (BlackBerry PlayBook). I tried to share files by Bluetooth to the BlackBerry, without success (because PlayBook doesn't support FTP protocol over Bluetooth). I tried then, to share files over network (SAMBA, NetBIOS). |
| 00:44.54 | diegojsRW | I found "samba" at Maemo repositories, and tried to install, I got it. As I didn't found a applet to control what folders I want to share, I tried to install "smbfs", but it requires "samba-common 3.0.22-3maemo2". However, I didn't found it at repositories. I googled for "samba-common", but I don't find it to download. Where I find "samba-common" to download? If it was discontinued, how can I share files over SAMBA protocol? |
| 00:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | try http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 00:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I'm not sure it will search diablo repository |
| 00:48.26 | diegojsRW | DocScrutinizer05: I found samba-common 3.0.23c-1osso11, and samba-common 3.4.3-maemo2, but smbfs requires "samba-common 3.0.22-3maemo2". It will recognize and will run with another version? |
| 00:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see it actually searches diablo as well, see http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-pc-connectivity/ |
| 00:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example |
| 00:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it will work with a version such different. It even sounds like it's for another platform |
| 00:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems maemo2 are for fremantle, while osso11 are for diablo |
| 00:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/samba-common/ |
| 00:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | though: http://maemo.org/packages/view/samba/ |
| 00:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | here maemo2 is diablo :-o |
| 00:54.29 | diegojsRW | Samba I already installed by the repository |
| 00:55.01 | diegojsRW | And It is working, apparently (I found "admin" and "IPC" folders) |
| 00:55.17 | diegojsRW | But I want to choose what folders I want to share |
| 00:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no clue |
| 00:56.32 | diegojsRW | I have this version: samba 3.0.22-6 (Diablo Extras-devel free armel) |
| 01:08.10 | merlin1991 | diegojsRW: you should have a config for samba in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 01:08.18 | merlin1991 | where you can set what samba shares |
| 01:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: thanks. I was too busy to look this up |
| 01:12.02 | diegojsRW | merlin1991: I don't need of samba-commons installed? |
| 01:13.45 | merlin1991 | diegojsRW: if you installed samba from the repository you should also have samba-common on your device |
| 01:14.03 | merlin1991 | just edit the file in /etc/samba/smb.conf it's pretty straight forward |
| 01:14.05 | diegojsRW | No, i haven't |
| 01:14.15 | diegojsRW | I only have the "samba" |
| 01:14.22 | merlin1991 | what does dpkg -l samba-common tell you? |
| 01:16.05 | diegojsRW | Package installation, I suppose |
| 01:18.20 | diegojsRW | Nokia-N810-43-7:~# dpkg -l samba-common |
| 01:18.21 | diegojsRW | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 01:18.21 | diegojsRW | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 01:18.21 | diegojsRW | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 01:18.21 | diegojsRW | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 01:18.21 | diegojsRW | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 01:18.21 | diegojsRW | ii samba-common 3.0.23c-1osso1 Samba common files used by both the server a |
| 01:18.47 | diegojsRW | It doesn't appears on Application list of N810 |
| 01:18.54 | merlin1991 | so you do have samba-common installed to be exact you have version 3.0.23c-1osso1 |
| 01:19.22 | merlin1991 | that's probably due to the fact that it isn't an "aplication" but rather a set of helper files for samba |
| 01:19.45 | merlin1991 | also next time you need to paste more than lets say 2 lines of text please use a pastebin service, ie debian.paste.net |
| 01:20.15 | diegojsRW | Ok, sorry by flooding |
| 01:20.40 | merlin1991 | s/debian.paste/paste.debian/ |
| 01:20.43 | merlin1991 | typos :S |
| 01:20.48 | diegojsRW | Then I have to install a smb-client which depends of 3.0.23c-1osso1, right? |
| 01:21.20 | merlin1991 | why do you need an smb client anyway? smb client allows to to access shares from other pcs on your n810 |
| 01:21.38 | diegojsRW | Yes, I need it also. |
| 01:21.41 | merlin1991 | the normal samba package is the one that makes it possible to share files from the n810 to other pcs |
| 01:22.07 | diegojsRW | I need to install either smbfs and smb-client |
| 01:22.17 | diegojsRW | And swat (samba web wizard) |
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| 10:21.11 | Arkenoi | could anyone please remind me, if i get non-functioning cameras and "APMD disconnected" after massive update which includes power kernel, which packages should I reinstall? |
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| 10:43.26 | kerio | Arkenoi: APMD is advanced power monitor |
| 10:43.38 | kerio | non-functioning cameras... weird, did you have fcam installed? |
| 10:50.21 | Arkenoi | "fcam-drivers is already the newest version" |
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| 10:55.22 | Arkenoi | and how do i repair apmd? |
| 10:55.47 | kerio | uninstall fcamera fcam-drivers hdrcapture lowlight |
| 10:55.49 | kerio | then reinstall those |
| 10:55.56 | kerio | i don't know about apmd, sorry |
| 10:56.01 | kerio | maybe uninstall and reinstall |
| 10:56.11 | kerio | (purging the config files in the meantime, so do the uninstall with --purge) |
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| 11:00.26 | Arkenoi | ok. camera works now, but i still have no idea how to fix or diagnose apmd |
| 11:01.01 | Arkenoi | batterygraph works properly meanwhile |
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| 11:12.56 | vi_ | which would be better for P2P voice chat; bluetooth or wifi? |
| 11:14.53 | SpeedEvil | at Bluetooth ranges, just put the phone down. |
| 11:15.14 | vi_ | Motorcycle to motorcycle. |
| 11:15.37 | LaoLang_cool | I'm sshing from pc to my n900 via putty on windows, but I find the speed is slow |
| 11:15.41 | LaoLang_cool | what's wrong? |
| 11:15.52 | kerio | vi_: power-wise? |
| 11:15.52 | LaoLang_cool | I have disabled power saving mode |
| 11:15.58 | kerio | i think the audio quality could be better via wifi |
| 11:16.10 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: cpu, maybe? |
| 11:16.25 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: try usb networking |
| 11:16.28 | LaoLang_cool | kerio, you mean n900's cpu is slow? |
| 11:16.45 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: is it just a bit of lag in the shell? |
| 11:16.49 | vi_ | LaoLang_cool: It is a common problem. No one knows why it is sometimes slow as shit. |
| 11:16.54 | LaoLang_cool | kerio, yes, a bit of lag |
| 11:16.55 | kerio | or are you trying to push data through it? |
| 11:17.05 | LaoLang_cool | my english is poor ;p |
| 11:17.07 | kerio | eeh, wifi "problem" |
| 11:17.07 | flux | laolang_cool, try disabling powersaving on n900 wifi |
| 11:17.10 | kerio | flux: he did |
| 11:17.11 | flux | oh |
| 11:17.13 | SpeedEvil | WiFi may well be longer range |
| 11:17.14 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: try usb networking |
| 11:17.26 | LaoLang_cool | kerio, yes, my networking is a wifi enviroment |
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| 11:17.39 | flux | in any case, doing that will destroy battery life, so better turn it back on if it didn't help :) |
| 11:17.40 | vi_ | I have piss ssh performance over wifi when on top of my access point sometimes. |
| 11:17.51 | vi_ | Running dd-wrt. |
| 11:17.57 | kerio | vi_: use two walkie talkies |
| 11:18.00 | vi_ | with the power cranked cranked illegally high. |
| 11:18.12 | flux | vi_, so it's probably saturating the radio |
| 11:18.13 | LaoLang_cool | flux, oh! thank your for reminder, I will enable it |
| 11:18.16 | vi_ | also, n900 version off sshd is fucking ancient. |
| 11:18.21 | kerio | vi_: i've found that increasing the tx power only makes the connection worse :( |
| 11:18.24 | flux | I seriously doubt sshd has anything to do with this |
| 11:18.33 | flux | the same can probably be observed with ping |
| 11:18.35 | kerio | that said, i increased it a bit from the default |
| 11:18.43 | vi_ | flux: nope. |
| 11:19.03 | vi_ | flux: run a constant ping in the background and performance still sucks asses. |
| 11:25.55 | LaoLang_cool | ssh to maemo is useless at all, so much lag |
| 11:26.24 | SpeedEvil | lag is solely due to power save in my experience |
| 11:26.26 | LaoLang_cool | A time wasting thing :) |
| 11:26.27 | tadzik | maybe try nice on the sshd? |
| 11:26.40 | tadzik | wild guess :) |
| 11:26.56 | SpeedEvil | also, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOTpjBGcs&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
| 11:27.16 | LaoLang_cool | I don't know, I set up the ssh connection by wiki step by step, I have no knowledge on ssh at all ;p |
| 11:29.19 | kerio | doesn't have a lot of lag |
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| 12:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 12:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I'm using this (otherwise shit from hell) DIR-615 |
| 12:14.30 | kerio | i'm using a sweet, sweet wrt-610n |
| 12:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff |
| 12:19.42 | kerio | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-thumb, you're shit out of luck for multiple reasons |
| 12:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems in line with my rant yesterday |
| 12:20.31 | kerio | yep :( |
| 12:21.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair if the versioning was done in the correct way (with +foo added at the end) then there would be no problem |
| 12:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>just in case I'm hit by bus and cssu-t has an important security bugfix << LOL |
| 12:22.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hey, the bus factor matters |
| 12:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I still don't see how such policy wouldn't inadvertedly "downgrade" half of your system to non-thumb versions |
| 12:22.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wouldn't be a big deal |
| 12:23.00 | kerio | they still work fine |
| 12:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just insane |
| 12:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | outright insane |
| 12:23.32 | kerio | anyway, the weird thing is that now *some* packages are upgradable, and other packages aren't |
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| 12:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 12:23.55 | kerio | because the versioning is FUBAR because of nokia and other people |
| 12:24.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the concept is insane |
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| 12:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want a non-thumbified bugfix version for your thumb system, get it via apt-get install pkg=version |
| 12:25.20 | kerio | k |
| 12:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | once the thumb repo got the bugfix as well, you roll back |
| 12:26.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: once the thumb repo gets the bugfix, you *upgrade* :) |
| 12:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I meant |
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| 12:27.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | just apt-get inst pkg=ver will probably break auto-upgrade for that pkg |
| 12:27.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, are you sure? i don't think it also pins the version |
| 12:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise "upgrade" to old version would kick in the same seconds you finish install via apt-get |
| 12:28.08 | kerio | i think you have to also echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections to do that |
| 12:28.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, there's a reason apt asks for confirmation before upgrading :) |
| 12:29.57 | kerio | freemangordon: DocScrutinizer says (and i might actually agree, weirdly enough) that thumb versions should be higher than any other version, so maybe put "thumb:" as an epoch, before anything else? |
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| 12:31.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the thing is, having thumb packages at a higher version than normal ones prevents you from going back to the normal -testing |
| 12:32.20 | kerio | hypothetically, if fmg gets hit by a bus and nobody else picks up the community-thumb project |
| 12:32.41 | kerio | i know how much you like hypothetical situations that won't happen ;) |
| 12:36.03 | vi_ | but |
| 12:36.08 | vi_ | thumb rules. |
| 12:36.19 | kerio | indeed, but the versioning is apparently FUBAR |
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| 12:36.21 | kerio | we just noticed it |
| 12:36.36 | kerio | it should've been $version+thumbX, it's $version-thumbX |
| 12:36.41 | kerio | and that apparently makes apt shit its pants |
| 12:36.53 | kerio | sometimes |
| 12:37.09 | vi_ | well who has cssu-t AND thumb repo enabled? |
| 12:37.15 | kerio | ...everyone? |
| 12:37.24 | vi_ | why? |
| 12:37.33 | kerio | -thumb only has a small number of recompiled packages, the rest come from -testing |
| 12:37.50 | vi_ | well fck testing. lets just go thumb. |
| 12:37.58 | kerio | that would be an option, yes |
| 12:38.11 | vi_ | it is the only option. |
| 12:38.22 | vi_ | N900 is a 3 year old device. |
| 12:38.47 | vi_ | Stop getting so hung up about doing things 'proper' and 'the debian way'. |
| 12:39.23 | vi_ | ditch cssu-t |
| 12:39.25 | kerio | vi_: CSSU is also stacked on top of the nokia repos |
| 12:39.45 | vi_ | well idgaf. |
| 12:39.48 | vi_ | fuck everything. |
| 12:39.55 | kerio | it's repos all the way down! |
| 12:39.59 | vi_ | cssu-thumb is the way it is going to be. |
| 12:40.41 | vi_ | if you do not want it, go suck a fuck. |
| 12:40.57 | vi_ | And use pr 1.1 or something. |
| 12:41.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i think estel stole vi_'s account |
| 12:41.06 | kerio | D: |
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| 12:41.27 | vi_ | N900 is out of developers and out of time. |
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| 12:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: (well fck testing. lets just go thumb.) that's nonsense unless you meant that as a policy for your local device. cssu-t is trsting for cssu-s, and cssu-s never will go thumb just for the leeteness |
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| 12:58.14 | kerio | vi_: still doesn't help the versioning issue |
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| 15:02.07 | vi_ | in C, dafuq this means: |
| 15:02.16 | vi_ | a &= b |
| 15:02.23 | vi_ | a |= b |
| 15:02.34 | vi_ | a &= ~b |
| 15:02.38 | vi_ | a |= ~b |
| 15:05.13 | merlin1991 | last one is easy :D |
| 15:05.31 | merlin1991 | actually all those make sense if I'm right about ~ |
| 15:05.58 | merlin1991 | a &= b would store in a the bitwise and of a and b, a |= b is bitwise or |
| 15:06.18 | merlin1991 | a &= ~b would be bitwise and of and inverted b |
| 15:06.19 | merlin1991 | ... |
| 15:08.48 | kerio | Pali: how fast is M32G? |
| 15:08.58 | Pali | kerio, it is usable |
| 15:09.07 | kerio | but slower than the normal mtd install? |
| 15:09.21 | Pali | somebody wrote that no, somebody yet |
| 15:09.24 | Pali | *yes |
| 15:09.29 | kerio | hm |
| 15:09.54 | Pali | I installed a lot of apps and I have a lot of files here, it is slower on my n900 |
| 15:09.57 | Pali | but still usable |
| 15:10.18 | kerio | Pali: you probably know this better than me - is there a sensible way to mount /usr from the eMMC early in the boot process? |
| 15:10.44 | Pali | kerio, not easy |
| 15:10.47 | kerio | :( |
| 15:10.48 | kerio | i figured |
| 15:10.54 | Pali | why you need it? |
| 15:11.10 | kerio | the "easiest" way would be to unconditionally mount it right before init is launched, but then i screw up bootmenu |
| 15:11.32 | kerio | Pali: because the rootfs situation in fremantle on the n900 is absurd |
| 15:11.53 | Pali | kerio, this is very hard... I think you never got fully working solution... |
| 15:12.03 | Pali | use then M32GB |
| 15:12.13 | Pali | it is what you want |
| 15:12.19 | kerio | Pali: eeh, not quite |
| 15:12.20 | kerio | but yeah |
| 15:12.43 | Pali | M32GB load maemo from /home/user/maemo5 |
| 15:12.57 | Pali | also /opt is in /home/user/maemo5 |
| 15:13.02 | kerio | the thing is, with /usr out of the way then it's possible to disable ubifs compression |
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| 15:13.25 | Pali | ubifs compression is ok |
| 15:13.32 | kerio | it's really not |
| 15:13.37 | kerio | it's a kludge made to help with the little space |
| 15:13.43 | Pali | it is faster then eMMC |
| 15:13.49 | kerio | but slower than it could be |
| 15:13.58 | kerio | or something |
| 15:14.30 | kerio | Pali: a good way of doing M32G would be a separate partition on the eMMC |
| 15:14.44 | Pali | kerio, also possible |
| 15:15.06 | Pali | just create new partition and edit "copy" script and bootmenu item |
| 15:15.35 | Pali | and you need to edit /etc/init.d/rcS-late which mount & generate /etc/fstab |
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| 15:28.48 | vi_ | merlin1991: thank you! |
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| 17:10.50 | jonne|reconnecte | i'm confused about the cssu update process |
| 17:11.16 | jonne|reconnecte | it asks to create a backup, i create backup, then the whole update process starts again |
| 17:11.28 | jonne|reconnecte | and it won't let me update without backing up |
| 17:14.18 | shanttu | jonne|reconnecte, read this http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ |
| 17:17.27 | jonne|reconnecte | ah, conflict with operator name widget |
| 17:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<kerio> but slower than it could be)) not necessarily - if CPU (de)compression can keep up with, or is even faster than IO |
| 17:18.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fire up another general notice pls |
| 17:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff |
| 17:24.44 | kerio | jonne|reconnecte: ^ |
| 17:24.59 | jonne|reconnecte | yeah, tnx |
| 17:24.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not convinced the CPU can, actually |
| 17:25.23 | jonne|reconnecte | i upgraded the widget seperately, doing the full update now |
| 17:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonne|reconnecte: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264798#post1264798 |
| 17:28.40 | jonne|reconnecte | yes, saw it the first time :) |
| 17:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's different |
| 17:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's my answer on the one I referred to in general notice |
| 17:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has recovery "instruction" |
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| 17:42.31 | kerio | is anyone following the iphone 5 announcement? |
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| 17:45.51 | jonne|reconnecte | sort of |
| 17:45.55 | jonne|reconnecte | it's meh |
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| 18:04.50 | merlin1991 | also as usuall DocScrutinizer05 recovery strategy is a tad overkill |
| 18:05.05 | kerio | hm, no microusb port compatibility in the iphone 5 |
| 18:05.08 | merlin1991 | quit ham wait 5 min start ham wait, do update opername wait update cssu is enough |
| 18:05.14 | kerio | wasn't that required, in europe? |
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| 18:07.26 | jonne|reconnecte | not sure about that, kerio |
| 18:07.32 | jonne|reconnecte | i think it's weird too |
| 18:08.15 | jonne|reconnecte | then again, iphone connector does way more than can be done with microusb, so they'd need to either drop that feature or put 2 ports in their phone |
| 18:08.23 | jonne|reconnecte | neither of which are an attractive option |
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| 18:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB charging is mandatory in Europe and China. Micro-USB is mandatory by USB-cert |
| 18:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such thing like mini-USB anymore, officially |
| 18:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC about devices that don't ahve *any* USB connector |
| 18:18.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess neither USB-cert nor any EU-commission or China Gvmt can force a manufacturer to build a USB port to his product just for charging |
| 18:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if however it already _has_ any USB, it's mandatory that this can do charging too |
| 18:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | (btw that's what basically fucked up N900 hostmode) |
| 18:20.46 | kerio | wait, why? |
| 18:21.17 | jonne|reconnecte | i guess for future-proofing |
| 18:21.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (since, to allow charging from fastcharger, they had to swap PHY chip to allow D+/- detect, which in turn broke hostmode/OTG) |
| 18:21.26 | kerio | i see |
| 18:21.51 | jonne|reconnecte | because otherwise manufacturers would be stuck adding usb ports on phones that are perfectly capable of wireless charging + data exchange |
| 18:22.01 | jonne|reconnecte | in 10 years |
| 18:22.06 | kerio | oh, the previous NITs couldn't charge from usb? |
| 18:22.12 | jonne|reconnecte | USB isn't going to last forever |
| 18:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 18:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why flashing instructions for N8x0 differ from those for N900 |
| 18:22.53 | kerio | well, that's convenient |
| 18:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | N8x0 won't power up on plugging in USB |
| 18:23.53 | jonne|reconnecte | hmm, upgrade's been stuck on my n900 for a while now |
| 18:23.59 | jonne|reconnecte | wonder what's going on |
| 18:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you flash N8x0 entirely while running from battery |
| 18:24.07 | jonne|reconnecte | ssh's into phone |
| 18:25.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects jonne|reconnecte used something other than HAM for update on CSSU |
| 18:25.20 | jonne|reconnecte | HAM == app manager? |
| 18:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:25.32 | jonne|reconnecte | is what i used |
| 18:25.43 | jonne|reconnecte | i do have fapman installed, though |
| 18:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it can take like 5 minutes of timeout |
| 18:26.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you still have to boot to charge? |
| 18:26.17 | jonne|reconnecte | ssh can't connect |
| 18:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | where? |
| 18:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ^^^ |
| 18:26.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: in the N8x0 |
| 18:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 18:26.51 | kerio | lame |
| 18:26.52 | kerio | :c |
| 18:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse than N900 |
| 18:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | completely sw-controlled |
| 18:27.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | by bme |
| 18:27.20 | kerio | no flatbat recovery? D: |
| 18:27.21 | kerio | madness |
| 18:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | a nasty legacy we still suffer from, on N900 |
| 18:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I think it has some flatbatrecover means |
| 18:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | or capabilities |
| 18:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really nice though |
| 18:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's just that N8x0 can actually boot with flatbat, since power is from dedicated charger that is known to provide 1A |
| 18:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | charging however needs CPU |
| 18:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike N900 where bq24150 can do that autonomously |
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| 19:38.38 | Spark25x | hello guyd |
| 19:38.42 | Spark25x | guys* |
| 19:39.14 | Spark25x | why the new SSU update ask for connection to pc? |
| 19:39.21 | Spark25x | is this mandatory? |
| 19:40.25 | wmarone_ | ask in #maemo-ssu |
| 19:40.51 | Spark25x | wmaarone_ tnx |
| 19:41.04 | fredrinLap | iphone5 omg omg omg omg |
| 19:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff |
| 19:50.46 | kerio | fredrinLap: it's a 16:9 iphone |
| 19:50.55 | kerio | with a new MAGICAL extra row for icons |
| 19:51.00 | kerio | and LTE |
| 19:51.09 | kerio | and a new MAGICAL camera |
| 19:52.36 | fredrinLap | kerio: :) I know |
| 19:52.53 | fredrinLap | just joining in on the mass hysteria |
| 19:53.11 | fredrinLap | while fighting my n900 |
| 19:53.21 | kerio | noo :( |
| 19:53.24 | kerio | don't fight your n900 |
| 19:53.24 | fredrinLap | for some reason it dont replies to ping |
| 19:53.26 | kerio | he loves you |
| 19:53.32 | kerio | fredrinLap: pings where? |
| 19:53.47 | kerio | wlan or gprs? |
| 19:53.50 | fredrinLap | wlan |
| 19:53.53 | kerio | weird |
| 19:53.54 | kerio | iptables -L? |
| 19:54.19 | fredrinLap | no rules there |
| 19:55.25 | jonne|reconnecte | ah, looks like the new version of HAM doesn't have the weird error message any more |
| 19:55.30 | jonne|reconnecte | that's good for next time then |
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| 19:56.40 | fredrinLap | not sure what it is all about :( |
| 19:57.12 | kerio | fredrinLap: reboot? |
| 19:57.37 | kerio | it's kind of a bad advice to diagnose the problem, but it could actually work |
| 19:57.43 | kerio | also check your router isn't stupid |
| 19:58.27 | fredrinLap | kerio: been like this for a long time |
| 19:58.50 | fredrinLap | but not the end of the world. will try to update things to see if that helps |
| 19:58.52 | kerio | maybe your access point has been stupid for a long time :) |
| 19:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonne|reconnecte: correct |
| 19:59.09 | kerio | also try an ad-hoc network |
| 19:59.22 | fredrinLap | is it custom-operator-name-widget i need to install? |
| 19:59.38 | fredrinLap | i am on thumb |
| 19:59.43 | jonne|reconnecte | also, upgrade wasn't really stuck, it rebooted normally after a while |
| 19:59.52 | kerio | fredrinLap: oh, thumb is a whole different bag of bullshit |
| 19:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff |
| 20:00.00 | kerio | fredrinLap: keep calm and don't upgrade |
| 20:00.15 | fredrinLap | i am following that link now |
| 20:00.23 | kerio | fredrinLap: if you're on thumb, that link won't help you |
| 20:00.36 | fredrinLap | hum |
| 20:00.39 | kerio | if you upgrade, you'll lose a lot of thumb packages |
| 20:00.41 | Psotnick | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.56 | kerio | but regardless, it won't actually work due to a slightly major mistake in the versioning of thumb packages |
| 20:01.05 | kerio | we're working on it :) |
| 20:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fredrinLap: cssu-thumb is a completely different domain, basically. You don't generally want to update cssu-t when you're on cssu-thumb |
| 20:01.49 | fredrinLap | ah, thought cssu-t was cssu-thumb.... |
| 20:01.57 | kerio | cssu-t is cssu-testing |
| 20:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | fredrinLap: NB cssu-thumb is very bleeding-edge and experimental |
| 20:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though freemangordon will argue that) |
| 20:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | fredrinLap: anyway you need to live with beta-tester user experience when using that sort of bleeding-edge |
| 20:03.20 | kerio | cssu thumb is a recompilation of cssu-testing, so it's as bleeding-edge and experimental |
| 20:03.36 | kerio | it's just slightly less rigorously tested :3 |
| 20:03.45 | fredrinLap | HAM wants me to do: Community SSU enabler, Linux Kernel Community SSU (even though I uses thumb-kernel), Linux kernel for Community SSU (boot image for u-boot and multiboot) and Operator Name Widget.... |
| 20:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and slightly less confortably maintained |
| 20:04.06 | kerio | "Linux Kernel Community SSU" should be the thumb kernel |
| 20:04.09 | tadzik | HAM wanted me to do nothing today. "No updates", and I'm clearly on the old CSSU |
| 20:04.16 | kerio | boot image for uboot and multiboot is wrong, wrong, wrong |
| 20:04.21 | kerio | tadzik: cssu-stable? |
| 20:04.26 | tadzik | kerio: no, testing |
| 20:04.30 | tadzik | rechecks |
| 20:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: cssu-t or cssu-s |
| 20:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ß |
| 20:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 20:04.44 | tadzik | -t I think |
| 20:04.48 | tadzik | I'm not sure now :) |
| 20:04.59 | tadzik | how to easily check? |
| 20:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | settings, about CSSU |
| 20:05.11 | fredrinLap | what should I do.... |
| 20:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | fredrinLap: wait |
| 20:05.38 | tadzik | 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4 |
| 20:05.44 | tadzik | that's the old one alright |
| 20:05.56 | tadzik | tries HAM again |
| 20:06.04 | fredrinLap | I am on 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4-thumb16 |
| 20:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually very old, since I thought last one been T4.1 |
| 20:06.17 | kerio | fredrinLap: that's right |
| 20:06.25 | kerio | fredrinLap: just wait a couple of days |
| 20:06.32 | kerio | fmg needs time to recompile everything |
| 20:06.37 | fredrinLap | ok |
| 20:06.40 | kerio | and besides, there's the versioning issue to sort out |
| 20:07.02 | fredrinLap | I'll wait, want to have ssh working though |
| 20:07.16 | kerio | tadzik: the latest was 4.1, are you sure the repos are set correctly? |
| 20:07.31 | kerio | anyway, i suppose people should refer to cssu-thumb as cssu-θ when abbreviating |
| 20:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-WHAT? |
| 20:07.57 | tadzik | kerio: I don't think I modified the repos after enabling cssu-t |
| 20:08.01 | tadzik | I guess that's Unicode Thumb |
| 20:08.18 | kerio | it should be U+03B8, GREEK SMALL LETTER THETA |
| 20:08.37 | kerio | it's the IPA for the voiceless dental fricative |
| 20:08.40 | kerio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative |
| 20:09.07 | tadzik | huh. I told HAM to update stuff, and it didn't even notice it's offline |
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| 20:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: you updated with HAM, or used other deprecated methods, before? |
| 20:10.22 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: always with HAM |
| 20:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange |
| 20:10.32 | tadzik | well, I usually update with FAM |
| 20:10.37 | tadzik | but not CSSU |
| 20:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 20:10.52 | kerio | here we go |
| 20:11.18 | kerio | tadzik: run apt-get upgrade (without confirming) and tell us what it tells you |
| 20:11.39 | tadzik | hold on, I clicked "Install" in HAM, and now it demanded the internet and does updates |
| 20:11.43 | tadzik | let's see where it goes |
| 20:11.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't even guess what fapman would think may get autoremoved when you install7update arbitrary stuff with it |
| 20:11.43 | kerio | yay |
| 20:12.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't fapman use the apt algorithms? |
| 20:12.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: you're sure you ever did "update catalogs"? |
| 20:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: IE you maybe set your auto-update period to 57 years or sth? |
| 20:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nfc |
| 20:13.47 | tadzik | ok, it now noticed |
| 20:13.51 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I did |
| 20:14.08 | tadzik | I thought it'd maybe update it anyway if I explicitely say "update stuff" |
| 20:14.10 | tadzik | apparently not |
| 20:14.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 20:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | not reliably at least |
| 20:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also had to select "update catalogs" from HAM menu yesterday |
| 20:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | simply hitting the rightmost huge button in HAM doesn't really cut it |
| 20:16.02 | kerio | fredrinLap: i made this for you :) http://i.imgur.com/tHSqg.png |
| 20:16.20 | tadzik | huh, I have no "update catalogs". Only something along "restore catalogs" (I have Polish translatino) |
| 20:16.29 | fredrinLap | kerio: :D |
| 20:16.37 | tadzik | no, "restore applications" even |
| 20:16.54 | tadzik | and now it says "no catalogs in use", bastard |
| 20:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, well, edit catalog or whatever |
| 20:18.15 | kerio | looks at aptitude, that installs a .desktop launcher for hildon that just says "sudo aptitude" |
| 20:18.19 | kerio | sighs |
| 20:18.22 | kerio | i don't even |
| 20:18.40 | tadzik | well, there's an ncurses app there, maybe |
| 20:18.49 | tadzik | with minesweeper and all this |
| 20:18.51 | kerio | no, i mean |
| 20:19.03 | kerio | it doesn't install a matching file in sudoers.d |
| 20:19.07 | kerio | so i can't actually launch it |
| 20:19.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: I click "catalogs" arbbitrary catalog from list, "strore" and close the requester by clicking background |
| 20:19.16 | kerio | without abusing the sudo timeout |
| 20:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: maybe, when clickung "update" frontpage button, HAM also does hidden update, but it takes a while and until then there's showing "no updates available" |
| 20:20.50 | tadzik | ok, it's pretending to work now |
| 20:21.01 | tadzik | I ran apt-get update, which complained about some bollocks, but now HAM works |
| 20:21.06 | tadzik | shrugs |
| 20:21.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | fair enough |
| 20:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 20:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the trick is to keep the "update" screen open for some 5 minutes and wait till the notice "no updates available" gets replaced by the true message |
| 20:22.59 | tadzik | uh. It now wants me to use Nokia PC Suite? |
| 20:23.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 20:23.10 | kerio | tadzik: read the general notice |
| 20:23.17 | tadzik | ah, the Operator Widget |
| 20:23.21 | tadzik | my bad, sorry |
| 20:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff |
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| 20:26.57 | kerio | hrmpf, why did i have hildon-desktop-application-shortcuts-mr0 installed |
| 20:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly because it comes with maemo? |
| 20:27.48 | kerio | it's just ovi.desktop |
| 20:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | bets on this containing the skype installer desktop icon, the guided tour, and other similar useless cruft |
| 20:28.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nope, just ovi |
| 20:28.38 | kerio | the skype installer is in skype-installer |
| 20:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 20:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 20:29.10 | kerio | hm, no it's not |
| 20:29.26 | kerio | is there even a skype installer? |
| 20:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 20:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there ever been, it got nuked on my device 3 years ago |
| 20:30.36 | kerio | oh come on, why does the cssu metapackage depend on skype-ui-l10n-*? |
| 20:31.38 | kerio | hrmpfs |
| 20:31.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly ponders to get some Here_I_Am_feedback to next cssu-t and cssu-s. Sth that pings somewhere to increase a "global number of installs" counter and then removes itself from system |
| 20:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: :-S |
| 20:33.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hehe, a cherry replacement for cssu |
| 20:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | MP is EVIL |
| 20:33.21 | kerio | nah, better make our own |
| 20:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: not really, since it neither sends some SMS, nor any privacy data |
| 20:33.30 | kerio | we need a fruit |
| 20:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | prune |
| 20:34.12 | kerio | brilliant |
| 20:35.05 | kerio | it should put itself in MyDocs, that's usually the most resilient place on the n900 |
| 20:35.31 | kerio | i mean, the file that says that it sent the data successfully |
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| 20:36.43 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: guided tour is tutorial-home-applet |
| 20:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, we're not that evil, we shall open a requester on post-install that asks "send anonymous 'thank you' to CSSU crew to let them know somebody used their stuff?" [yes] [no] [later] |
| 20:37.14 | tadzik | yay, new cssu abouard |
| 20:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: congrats |
| 20:38.17 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: and a tiny tiny notice "* thank you in this case means an sms to a 1,4€ number that goes right into docs poket" ? ;) |
| 20:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 20:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | no not really |
| 20:39.22 | kerio | i'd donate the shit out of my spare change to the community |
| 20:39.23 | kerio | if i could |
| 20:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I more thought of an actual ping or wget to a certain URL |
| 20:39.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nah, something slightly more reliable |
| 20:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't need any reliability to get any idea of how many users CSSU actually has |
| 20:40.26 | kerio | we do |
| 20:40.46 | tadzik | well, you could look at the repo server logs, no? |
| 20:41.00 | kerio | tadzik: then we'd get wildly inaccurate figures |
| 20:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | what we need though is some PR and maybe a notifier package in maemo-extras |
| 20:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | that simply opens the cssu website in browser, on installation |
| 20:41.35 | tadzik | kerio: how inaccurate? I don't think people update to the same cssu twice _that_ often |
| 20:41.50 | kerio | what even *is* updating to a cssu release? |
| 20:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: we *could*, if we could |
| 20:42.14 | tadzik | that says that some user is using CSSU and updating it from time to time, no? |
| 20:42.33 | kerio | downloading the metapackage? i had to do that like four times while toying between cssu-t and cssu-θ |
| 20:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ asked X-Fade about it? |
| 20:43.13 | merlin1991 | wtf is -θ |
| 20:43.17 | tadzik | thumb |
| 20:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Thau |
| 20:43.23 | kerio | theta |
| 20:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 20:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | some greek crap |
| 20:43.44 | kerio | in the international phonetic alphabet, a voiceless dental fricative |
| 20:44.05 | kerio | aka the "th" in thing, or thumb |
| 20:44.13 | tadzik | shame, that Unicode has "front facing baby chick" but no thumb |
| 20:44.49 | kerio | tadzik: japs are weird |
| 20:44.55 | kerio | (i assume that's an emoji) |
| 20:45.36 | tadzik | Miscellaneous Symbols And Pictographs |
| 20:45.39 | tadzik | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f425/index.htm |
| 20:45.40 | kerio | U+BD4F, SCHOOLGIRL AND TENTACLES |
| 20:45.47 | tadzik | ahaha |
| 20:45.59 | jaska | theres also a pile of poop unicode |
| 20:46.00 | tadzik | I wouldn't be surprised at all |
| 20:47.22 | jaska | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm |
| 20:48.10 | jaska | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/symbola/u1F4A9.png |
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| 20:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 20:51.35 | jaska | everything and the kitchen sink.. |
| 20:51.50 | kerio | yeah, unicode is supposed to encode **everything** |
| 20:51.59 | kerio | like, everything that was ever written |
| 20:52.45 | SpeedEvil | only that someone has bothered to push for inclusion in. |
| 20:52.49 | jaska | its.. a waste of space and human resources, they should have stopped long before adding emoji garbage. |
| 20:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | already suggested graphics card that doesn't use pixels and a framebuffer, but actually all unicode |
| 20:53.30 | jaska | like mda.. but with gigabytes of font space? |
| 20:53.40 | SpeedEvil | variable font size is tricky |
| 20:53.49 | SpeedEvil | as is rotated |
| 20:53.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: as an upgrade to the ATI Radeon 9500 ASC? |
| 20:53.54 | kerio | http://www.bbspot.com/news/2003/02/ati_ascii.html |
| 20:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually in the early 80s I 'invented' such a display, based on a scope tube and a lot of analog circuitry, to display arbitrary numbers of elisoids, polygons, bsplines, characters etc, based on parameters stored in a digital sequencer |
| 20:59.16 | kerio | pff, come on, nobody believes the early 80s actually existed |
| 21:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | (characters were actually planned to be just a predefined special from of the general usage macros definable by user) |
| 21:00.29 | kerio | ooh, so you'd actually just draw vectorized letters? |
| 21:00.31 | kerio | neat |
| 21:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:00.44 | kerio | how fast was it at drawing? |
| 21:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | never seen anything but the paper it got designed on |
| 21:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | a feasibility study for fun |
| 21:01.47 | kerio | so... was it feasible? |
| 21:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | in theory yes, but if it was economically sensible is another question |
| 21:02.24 | kerio | anyway, vector videogames were really popular in the 80s |
| 21:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | original asteroids been vector graphics |
| 21:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | real vector graphics, down to the tube |
| 21:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | no vector graphics lib painting into a matrix framebuffer |
| 21:05.22 | kerio | and now beautifully antialiased by MAME :) |
| 21:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah :-P >>ATI also announced a card under development which would support Unicode gaming. "It's a real chicken or the egg scenario. Do we make a card that supports Unicode gaming before there are games, or will the games appear after we make the card. We hope this announcement gets the game giants in gear."<< |
| 21:30.01 | kerio | :D |
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