| 00:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | <freemangordon> seems that on original batteries BSI resistor is badly calibrated. Or they are not 1320 mAh :D #### Or the whole assumption is moot, and BSI isn't really defined in any proper way at all |
| 00:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | BP-4L: 120kR, nom.cap. 1500mAh. BL-4U: 80.4kR, nom.cap. 1000mAh. BL-5J: 99.1kR, nom.cap: 1320mAh |
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| 00:39.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | all @23°C |
| 00:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Can_nokia_phones_use.2Fcharge_gta01.2Fgta02_batteries.3F :: >>BL-6C?? (actual measured value on a cold (25C) battery is 75k, on a slightly warm battery - 82k)<< |
| 00:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it seems BSI is only useful together with proper bat-temp, at least for some battery types |
| 00:46.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since different NTC/PTC (80kR, 100kR, 120kR) also may have different T/R characteristic, probably BSI formula is more or less undefined on any but a certain nominal temperature (like 22°C) |
| 00:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~1000/80.4 |
| 00:47.24 | infobot | 12.437810945274 |
| 00:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~1500/120 |
| 00:47.47 | infobot | 12.5 |
| 00:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~1320/99.1 |
| 00:48.06 | infobot | 13.319878910192 |
| 00:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | @-15°C: BP-4L: 120kR |
| 00:50.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | @-15°C: BL-4: 80kR |
| 00:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | @-15°C: BL-4U: 80kR |
| 00:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | @-15°C: BL-5J: 99kR |
| 00:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | conclusion: for all three types there's no thermistor used, unlike BL-5C. For BP-4L and BL-4U there seems to be a consistent multiplier for BSI_kR * $multiplier_12.5 = Capacity_mAh |
| 00:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not though for BL-5J |
| 00:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~90.1 * 12.5 |
| 00:57.27 | infobot | 1126.25 |
| 01:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | for BL-4/5/6D above formula may or may not apply (@22°C), alas no proper genuine Nokia of this model at hand right now |
| 01:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | noteworthy detail: BL-xD has flat-pad contacts, while the three other types have compatible spring loaded bracket in slot contacts |
| 01:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | all three marked "(+) (-) ( ) 3.7V" |
| 01:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | all my BL-5J are marked 1320mAh |
| 01:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, now I recall I already did all this some 3 or 4 years ago |
| 01:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and seems my today's conclusion is same like back then: There are several different methods/alrgorithms, even concepts (Thermistor) used on this obscure 3rd pin of batteries. And thus it's not really useful for anything, except maybe for differentiating between old and newer improved builds of one particular model of a battery |
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| 01:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, we even take assumptions, when we take "Battery *SIZE* Indicator" for granted. Might just be a unfortunate incorrect wording kept for histroical reasons. Who says this isn't meant to maybe signal allowable charge current, like ShadowJK suggested. If that's the case, this value may loosely correlate to battery capacity but basically is useless for the very purpose to calculate exact capacity from it then, since different cell |
| 01:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | builds may take different relative max charge current, like 0.5C, 0.7C, 1C, even 2C |
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| 02:50.24 | ShadowJK | well a rough capacity indication would be useful for setting charge current |
| 02:51.21 | ShadowJK | as for fuel gauging, I'd say a rough indicaion is sufficient because real capacity is way off anyway, especially when you take bme's early shutdown thresholds into account |
| 02:52.27 | ShadowJK | ther's probaly a magic bsi range for signaling "device in jig" too |
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| 03:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes. it's frequently referred to as "test battery" or "service battery" |
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| 07:58.31 | freemangordon | Pali: why is temp table only 45 elements? |
| 08:00.01 | freemangordon | Pali: in rx51_battery.c that is |
| 08:00.02 | Pali | because temperature data was between -9°C and 44°C |
| 08:00.15 | Pali | there is 55 values (not 45) |
| 08:01.04 | Pali | for each temperature values there is min raw value in table |
| 08:01.55 | freemangordon | ok, 55, not 45. the point is you should not return EINVAL for temperatures outside the range -9-45 |
| 08:02.09 | Pali | and what? |
| 08:02.30 | freemangordon | you either return min/max (i.e. -9/45) or do some approximation |
| 08:02.48 | freemangordon | latter is better. do you have matlab? |
| 08:03.03 | Pali | not now/here |
| 08:04.14 | freemangordon | hmm, ok, do you have graph presenation of the table? I need it to decide on polinomial order that will be used for approximation for values outside the range |
| 08:04.41 | freemangordon | the idea is - for the range -9 - 45 use the table |
| 08:04.50 | freemangordon | otherwise use approximation |
| 08:06.28 | freemangordon | Pali: http://www.mathworks.com/help/techdoc/ref/polyfit.html |
| 08:06.37 | freemangordon | I think that was the correct one to use |
| 08:07.21 | Pali | I draw plot with gnuplot and function raw->°K seems to be exp |
| 08:07.43 | Pali | something like a*exp(-x*b)+c |
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| 08:31.38 | freemangordon | Pali: -0.00000003843332 0.00002923219357 -0.00840590603944 1.20658776300563 -39.86091438724600 |
| 08:31.46 | freemangordon | 4th order polinomial |
| 08:32.42 | Pali | coefficients are too small |
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| 08:33.03 | freemangordon | don't we have FP? |
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| 08:34.04 | Pali | is precision is enought? |
| 08:34.35 | freemangordon | lemme upload the graph |
| 08:35.42 | freemangordon | http://i46.tinypic.com/2r26n2t.jpg |
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| 08:36.33 | freemangordon | yellow stars are table data |
| 08:36.42 | freemangordon | purple is approximation |
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| 08:37.43 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ |
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| 09:12.10 | kerio | deepy: ohai |
| 09:12.27 | deepy | heya |
| 09:12.41 | kerio | guys, should deepy buy a N900? |
| 09:12.59 | freemangordon | kerio: why not? |
| 09:13.05 | kerio | perfect |
| 09:13.09 | deepy | valid reasoning |
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| 09:13.35 | freemangordon | hehe. jokes aside, n900 is still ok, at least for my needs |
| 09:13.52 | kerio | hah :( |
| 09:14.06 | kerio | i'm in the situation where the n900 is not exactly ok, but everything else is much less ok |
| 09:14.24 | freemangordon | kerio: elabrate please |
| 09:14.31 | kerio | freemangordon: too little ram, too little cpu |
| 09:14.32 | kerio | the usual |
| 09:14.45 | freemangordon | well, you have -thumb on it. CPU is ok |
| 09:14.56 | kerio | it's not the same thing! |
| 09:14.59 | kerio | :c |
| 09:15.00 | freemangordon | it is not slow at all |
| 09:15.06 | freemangordon | cpu that is |
| 09:15.35 | freemangordon | kerio: you'll feel the difference when most of the system is thumb. If not already feeling it |
| 09:16.23 | kerio | (deepy: -thumb is the recompilation of most of the system in a different, smaller instruction set - Thumb2 instead of ARM - that frees a lot of space and ram) |
| 09:16.56 | freemangordon | kerio: what exactly you need more RAM? FireFox? It behaves almost as bad on n950 |
| 09:17.07 | freemangordon | *why |
| 09:17.12 | kerio | freemangordon: just for general freshness, i suppose |
| 09:17.33 | tadzik | the UI could be more responsive, although that's probably not ram's fault |
| 09:17.44 | kerio | the n900 is slower and less responsive than my 2x2.8GHz laptop with 4gb of ram, for instance |
| 09:17.55 | freemangordon | kerio: ORLY? |
| 09:18.05 | kerio | freemangordon: YARLY! |
| 09:18.29 | freemangordon | strange, as i is sometimes faster than my 2.8GHz 1GB laptop |
| 09:19.04 | freemangordon | single core P4 that is :P |
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| 09:21.36 | freemangordon | kerio: I usually have uptime of 2 weeks or so, it is fast all the time |
| 09:21.53 | freemangordon | -thumb and swap on uSD of course |
| 09:21.57 | kerio | so far my longest uptime has been like three days |
| 09:22.18 | kerio | because i always find an excuse to reboot |
| 09:22.20 | kerio | :D |
| 09:22.28 | freemangordon | :D |
| 09:22.57 | kerio | and i *used* to have a 4gb swap partition, but then image-viewer yelled at me |
| 09:23.21 | freemangordon | hmm, 1G here, you don;t really need 4GB |
| 09:23.30 | kerio | but i WANTED 4gb |
| 09:23.34 | kerio | i can afford it |
| 09:23.36 | kerio | i make it rain |
| 09:23.40 | Skry | :D |
| 09:23.43 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 09:23.47 | tadzik | is there any advantage for swap on uSD rather than on emmc? |
| 09:23.56 | freemangordon | it makes all the difference |
| 09:23.58 | kerio | tadzik: less congestion on the emmc |
| 09:24.03 | kerio | it doesn't make a lot of difference |
| 09:24.08 | freemangordon | kerio: it makes |
| 09:24.14 | kerio | freemangordon: ;) |
| 09:24.25 | freemangordon | stop trolling and read the appropriate threads on TMO |
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| 09:26.24 | freemangordon | tadzik: even if uSD is class 2 it makes n900 lot more faster. you should change other stuff (like swappiness and such) |
| 09:26.45 | freemangordon | but there is swappolube for that purpose |
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| 09:27.03 | Skry | does zram give any benefits on n900? |
| 09:27.17 | tadzik | I have class 10 |
| 09:27.24 | tadzik | I'll look for the tmo thread |
| 09:27.29 | kerio | tadzik: class doesn't matter for the purpose of swap |
| 09:27.41 | kerio | the class gives you the minimal *sequential* write speed |
| 09:27.44 | tadzik | ah |
| 09:27.46 | kerio | you need *random* reads and writes |
| 09:27.49 | tadzik | then it's worthless indeed |
| 09:28.09 | kerio | well, no, it's still good to take pictures and record video :) |
| 09:28.20 | tadzik | :) |
| 09:29.58 | freemangordon | Skry: unfortunately no |
| 09:30.07 | kerio | tadzik: even more important is the sandiskness |
| 09:30.40 | freemangordon | kerio: yeah, exactly |
| 09:30.46 | Skry | freemangordon: yeah, thought so. |
| 09:31.14 | freemangordon | tadzik: the more sandisk it is, the better |
| 09:31.28 | tadzik | heh, then I'm out of luck |
| 09:31.34 | freemangordon | but even sandisk 4 is better than sandisk 10 |
| 09:32.02 | kerio | *for the purpose of swap* |
| 09:32.04 | freemangordon | though I use sandisk 16GB class 10 and it is ok |
| 09:32.11 | freemangordon | kerio: yes |
| 09:34.43 | kerio | for christmas, i want a microsd made of RAM |
| 09:39.30 | freemangordon | I dream of such device for the last 3 years :D. a uSD device with first 1G made of ram and remaining 127G of flash :D |
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| 09:41.02 | kerio | i'd be happy with the first 1G |
| 09:41.41 | freemangordon | unfortunately noone seems to produce such a beast |
| 09:41.53 | freemangordon | goes afk |
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| 10:08.49 | derpmode | I just had a weird pop-up on my n900: "You have exceeded the time limit and your reservation has been released. The purpose of this time limit is to ensure that registration is available to as many people as possible. We apologize for the inconvenience" |
| 10:08.57 | derpmode | wtf program is that from? |
| 10:09.18 | derpmode | oh |
| 10:09.30 | derpmode | apparently the browser can make system yellow popups like that |
| 10:09.33 | derpmode | from websites |
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| 13:17.51 | lardman | hmm, after having used a Windows mobile device and an Android device for a while and now coming back to my N950, I'm struck by just how nice the interface is (even if slightly half baked in places), and how poor the signal strength is |
| 13:21.37 | vi_ | and how sexually the aluminium case glides through your fingers. |
| 13:23.49 | lardman | it's plastic isn't it? |
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| 13:25.32 | lardman | curses Fenix |
| 13:27.25 | kerio | <lardman> ooh look at me i'm so cool, i have a N950 |
| 13:27.36 | kerio | I HATE YOU >:C |
| 13:27.43 | lardman | oh |
| 13:28.23 | lardman | sorry about that kerio, why the anger? |
| 13:28.58 | jon_y | BECAUSE WE WANT ONE TOO |
| 13:30.01 | lardman | shouting won't help you, nor will abusing me, even if it makes you feel better |
| 13:30.34 | Luke-Jr | how about asking how much yours costs? ;) |
| 13:30.39 | lardman | lol |
| 13:30.57 | Luke-Jr | I mean, you're obviously not using it <.< |
| 13:31.05 | lardman | well I am now :p |
| 13:31.14 | lardman | though without mail working, it's pretty painful |
| 13:32.06 | jon_y | no email? |
| 13:32.26 | kerio | looks at modest |
| 13:32.28 | kerio | i can deal with that |
| 13:32.36 | lardman | nah, just keeps asking me to setup accounts, then I see the subject lines on the status bar as mail is delivered, just can't read it |
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| 13:32.55 | lardman | I'd even swap and have Modest back :) |
| 13:34.07 | lardman | How functional is Nemo these days? |
| 13:34.27 | tadzik | not really |
| 13:34.36 | tadzik | it looks nice, but too many things just don't work yet |
| 13:34.51 | tadzik | even stuff like importing contacts from .vcfs, unless you import them one by one |
| 13:35.09 | tadzik | you can call and text with it though, and browse the web |
| 13:35.24 | lardman | I could live with that, or write something to do it for me |
| 13:35.40 | jon_y | let's make something like iTunes so we can sync it with our proprietary desktop systems :) |
| 13:35.40 | tadzik | it's worth taking a look at, imho |
| 13:36.18 | lardman | tadzik: cool thanks |
| 13:37.02 | jon_y | does the Nokia Phone program thing that sits on the desktop actually work like itunes? |
| 13:37.02 | lardman | wonders if/when Jolla will see the light of day |
| 13:37.26 | lardman | jon_y: the sync tool? |
| 13:37.42 | jon_y | the PC suite thing |
| 13:38.01 | lardman | iirc it syncs contacts with e.g. Outlook, but didn't do much more than that |
| 13:38.10 | jon_y | ok |
| 13:38.20 | jon_y | nemo needs to work with that :) |
| 13:38.41 | lardman | contact sync'ing is terrible, mine are knackered after going through Google + Hotmail and being merged all over the shop |
| 13:39.17 | lardman | not the Nokia sync program, just the whole process in general, and the way things don't automerge |
| 13:39.37 | tadzik | lardman: oh, if you decide to hack on it, and if you're able to compile qmlcontacts, drop me a note ;) |
| 13:39.51 | jon_y | iirc there's an sqlite dump tool or something for the N900 |
| 13:39.59 | jon_y | to grab contacts |
| 13:40.03 | lardman | tadzik: what's the problem with compiling it? |
| 13:40.11 | jon_y | maybe that was android |
| 13:40.21 | lardman | jon_y: it will also allow you to sync over BT iirc |
| 13:40.29 | tadzik | lardman: probably a PEBKAC on my side, linking fails for me in the mer SDK |
| 13:40.34 | lardman | which is how I moved my contacts from N900 to N950 originally |
| 13:40.52 | jon_y | ok, BT to transfer contacts |
| 13:41.17 | lardman | tadzik: never did any userspace Mer work, was only ever kernel stuff trying to get powervr accel on the Galaxy tab, but will try to get back into it now my daughter is old enough that we can all get some sleep |
| 13:41.30 | tadzik | heh :) |
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| 13:41.56 | lardman | amazing how I used to love coding into the early hours, now I would like to be asleep by 9 ;) |
| 13:42.50 | tadzik | heh. I stopped staying up late when I started waking up to work at ~7 |
| 13:43.03 | lardman | understandable |
| 13:43.25 | lardman | For those with N9(50), is Nokia drive terrible? |
| 13:44.23 | lardman | I used it yesterday and on a few occasions along my route it would suddenly create roads that looked somewhat like a major trainstation terminus (with suitable instructions to turn left/right every 10s), very odd |
| 13:44.25 | jon_y | you all need an annoying alarm clock to tell you to go to bed |
| 13:44.57 | lardman | jon_y: I just fall asleep on the sofa, usually before my daughter does |
| 13:45.25 | jon_y | GPS? I've seen cheapo GPS asking the driver to hop off an overhead bridge into the highway beneath :) |
| 13:45.37 | jon_y | yeah, shortest way indeed |
| 13:46.00 | lardman | this was just random roads suddenly appearing, driving along the side of a field, so not even in a town/city |
| 13:46.56 | lardman | right, meeting to go to, catch you all soon |
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| 13:59.03 | vi_ | You can buy my n950 for 1000 euros. |
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| 14:04.42 | Sicelo | lol |
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| 14:15.14 | solofight | people - i have nokia n900 and trying to connect my bluetooth headset - when i switch on bluetooth onboth and search for new device in my n900 it aint showing the headset |
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| 14:15.35 | solofight | but the same headset works with my samsung galaxy |
| 14:16.09 | solofight | the headset is a samsung make - HM1200 which came with the galaxy mobile |
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| 14:21.56 | solofight | people - am i in the wrong room ? |
| 14:22.05 | solofight | if yes please point me to the right direction |
| 14:22.26 | merlin1991 | solofight: you're in the right channel :) |
| 14:22.43 | merlin1991 | though irc is a slow medium, people sometimes answer days later |
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| 14:23.32 | merlin1991 | anyway, do you still have the stock obexd? or did you play with the bluetooth stack? |
| 14:24.44 | solofight | stock obexd ? |
| 14:24.47 | solofight | merlin1991: ^ |
| 14:24.57 | merlin1991 | nokia provided :D |
| 14:25.29 | kerio | solofight: are you sure you're following the pairing instructions for your headset? |
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| 14:26.35 | solofight | merlin1991: no - i bought n900 from n guy and the hm1200 headset from another |
| 14:26.52 | solofight | kerio: switch on and search and connect ! isnt that it ! ? |
| 14:27.02 | solofight | theres anything else involved generally ? |
| 14:27.18 | solofight | tis is the one |
| 14:27.19 | solofight | http://www.wirelessground.com/samsung-hm1200-bluetooth-headset.html |
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| 14:29.09 | solofight | when i click on new device - the circle spins on and on and on and on |
| 14:29.20 | solofight | though i have the headset next to it |
| 14:30.13 | kerio | solofight: there's usually a "hold a certain key while turning on" or something like that |
| 14:30.24 | kerio | to avoid people randomly connecting to your headsets |
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| 14:38.46 | solofight | kerio: :) muaahh |
| 14:38.57 | solofight | kerio: love you - thanks |
| 14:38.59 | solofight | worked like a charm |
| 14:41.21 | Sicelo | :P |
| 14:41.35 | Sicelo | connected to the Samsung without using the button though? |
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| 14:45.34 | kerio | Sicelo: auto pairing on first power on? idk |
| 14:46.26 | kerio | freemangordon: neither HAM nor apt will willingly downgrade packages, and moving from -thumb to +thumb is a downgrade, in dpkg's eyes |
| 14:47.01 | Pali | there is really iptables disabled by default on n900? |
| 14:47.09 | kerio | and dropping the -testing to only add -thumb still wouldn't solve the problem |
| 14:47.23 | kerio | Pali: i thought it wasn't even installed |
| 14:47.34 | Pali | also none config file for persistent configuration? |
| 14:48.07 | Pali | kerio, so this should be fixed on my n900 :-) |
| 14:48.36 | Pali | what is good solution for persistent iptables rules? (on maemo) |
| 14:48.50 | Pali | debian has package iptables-persistent |
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| 14:54.14 | Pali | ok, ubuntu package iptables-persistent is simple, it has init.d script which call iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v4 (and also ip6tables) when file exists |
| 14:54.21 | Pali | script is called on startup |
| 14:54.34 | solofight | Sicelo: yeah thats what i was said |
| 14:55.04 | Pali | going to repackage it and push to extras-devel |
| 14:57.30 | kerio | Pali: neat |
| 14:57.36 | kerio | Pali: what are you using iptables for? |
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| 14:57.57 | Pali | against brute force ssh attact |
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| 15:01.00 | solofight | how do i connect my n900 to my computer and send sms from PC ? |
| 15:02.58 | Sicelo | Pali: we're lucky to have NAT, or unlucky :-/ |
| 15:02.59 | Sicelo | :P |
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| 15:05.50 | solofight | how do you people send sms from PC by connecting you n900 to PC ? |
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| 15:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: see wiki page phonecontrol |
| 15:19.21 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: thank you n it |
| 15:19.23 | solofight | on it* |
| 15:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: or you go for vnc in any of it's flavours that works with slightly modified Hildon |
| 15:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I never did vnc this way round, so can't help much) |
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| 15:35.46 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: which is the best free call blocking application for n900 ? |
| 15:35.57 | solofight | i tried call blocker - it neva worked |
| 15:42.06 | solofight | guys whats the best free call blocker application to use for n900 ? |
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| 15:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I once tried contact ringtones by barisione, dunno if it also does blocking, though I'd think it has everything in place already |
| 15:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe if it doesn't yet block particular contacts' inbound calls, it could easily be augmented to do that |
| 15:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably a proper GUI integration would be the most trouble in augmenting it |
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| 15:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unless you do some botch and define a specific virtual ringtone filename to mean "please reject that call") |
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| 16:18.22 | tadzik | hey, any idea how to make the pictures/audio tracker not index what's on the uSD? |
| 16:19.55 | peetah | tadzik: tracker-cfg |
| 16:19.59 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: oh |
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| 16:22.25 | tadzik | peetah: trying it out, thanks |
| 16:22.45 | peetah | check the NoWatchDirectory list |
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| 16:26.25 | tadzik | peetah: could IndexMountedDirectories and/or IndexRemovableMedia just do the job? |
| 16:27.08 | kerio | tadzik: i disabled both |
| 16:27.17 | tadzik | okayo |
| 16:27.52 | peetah | tadzik: i guess so |
| 16:27.57 | tadzik | now, swap on uSD.. |
| 16:30.12 | peetah | would'nt disabling IndexMountedDirectory remove indexation of MyDocs ? |
| 16:30.33 | tadzik | let's see |
| 16:31.16 | tadzik | I wonder how it defines "removable media" |
| 16:32.37 | kerio | peetah: sure, but do you really want to index it? |
| 16:32.46 | kerio | it'll always index the nokia directories |
| 16:32.52 | kerio | (but not DCIM, so add that) |
| 16:33.06 | peetah | what about Music and Videos ? |
| 16:33.09 | tadzik | well, I want it to index my music, I don't want it to index nemo mobile data ;) |
| 16:33.15 | kerio | you mean .sounds and .videos |
| 16:33.18 | peetah | yep |
| 16:33.20 | kerio | those are indexed |
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| 16:33.30 | kerio | they're in the WatchDirectory list or something like that |
| 16:34.25 | tadzik | oh hm. Seems that nemo moved to some FS that maemo doesn't recognize |
| 16:35.08 | peetah | is there a place somewhere explaining what are the priorities given to all these options ? |
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| 16:35.29 | tadzik | I'm afraid to hear "in the source code" ;) |
| 16:37.10 | tadzik | aha, nemo's using ext4 now |
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| 16:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: afaik those options (as well as some aspects of NoWatchDir) are broken in stock trackerd. CSSU has a fix for trackerd (thanks javispedro) |
| 16:42.03 | tadzik | any opinions on swapset (the app)? |
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| 16:42.17 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I'm on CSSU, testing I think |
| 16:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 16:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: KP should support ext4 |
| 16:43.37 | tadzik | heh, so I'd have to mangle with those tracker settings after I install it back |
| 16:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: NOT for rootfs though (it's a loadable module for ext4 afaik) |
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| 16:44.27 | tadzik | anyway, what are you guys using for swap on uSD business? Manual config mangling? |
| 16:44.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | never tried that |
| 16:44.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hate system crash on removing back cover |
| 16:45.23 | ShadowJK | I just have a startup.sh that I run manually on each boot (once every 2 months?) |
| 16:45.31 | tadzik | heh, understandable |
| 16:46.21 | kerio | tadzik: /sbin/swapon /dev/mmcblk1p2 || /sbin/swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 |
| 16:46.25 | kerio | in /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 16:46.36 | kerio | instead of /sbin/swapon -a || echo "Swap failure" or whatever |
| 16:46.58 | tadzik | kerio: how does it work out with the "removing back cover"issue? |
| 16:47.09 | tadzik | iirc n900 doesn't see the uSD if backcover's off |
| 16:47.16 | kerio | tadzik: i have an otterbox |
| 16:47.18 | kerio | =D |
| 16:47.24 | tadzik | otterbox? |
| 16:47.41 | ShadowJK | it crashes if swap is enabled on usd and backcover is removed |
| 16:47.51 | kerio | tadzik: http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/geardiary-otterbox-nokia-n900-commuter-series-case-10-700x676.jpg |
| 16:47.55 | kerio | the case around the n900 in this pic |
| 16:48.47 | tadzik | crashes as in "doing a kernel picnic"? |
| 16:48.56 | kerio | tadzik: maybe! |
| 16:49.09 | tadzik | let's check |
| 16:49.14 | kerio | i have a sheevaplug with swap on a usb drive, and disconnecting the drive causes awful stuff |
| 16:49.19 | kerio | tadzik: make sure you have lots of stuff in swap |
| 16:49.33 | tadzik | ah, so it won't crash otherwise? Then it's not much of an issue |
| 16:49.38 | kerio | it will |
| 16:49.52 | kerio | you basically deleted a bunch of stuff in ram |
| 16:50.10 | tadzik | right |
| 16:50.23 | tadzik | so one should just swapoff before removing it |
| 16:50.50 | kerio | yeah |
| 16:50.58 | tadzik | sounds easy to forget : |
| 16:51.00 | tadzik | :) |
| 16:51.10 | kerio | how often do you people open the backcover anyway? |
| 16:51.21 | ShadowJK | seldom :) |
| 16:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: it will PANIC |
| 16:52.11 | ShadowJK | I always assumed it was random processes crashing with Bus Fault, and watchdogs resetting device |
| 16:52.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure it's a proper panic and not just a bunch of atrocious errors when the kernel tries to recover the swapped pages? |
| 16:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess [kswapd ] will trow error |
| 16:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ->PANIC |
| 16:53.20 | kerio | tadzik: have you checked? |
| 16:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even too heavy for proper PANIC ;-P |
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| 16:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | simple test, kerio: open ssh over WLAN, do tail -f /var/log/syslog, then remove back cover |
| 16:54.53 | tadzik | kerio: not yet |
| 16:55.01 | ShadowJK | Actually once upon a time a server I managed had the harddrive ripped out by a dc technician for unexplainable reasons. alot of crap stopped working, but the main server process kept living because it was already memory resident, and didn't do much I/O |
| 16:55.40 | tadzik | uh wtf, swap on nemo seems to be 8 MBs? |
| 16:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: probably kswapd will barf up next time it tries to access swap |
| 16:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | whenever that happens |
| 16:56.21 | ShadowJK | iirc anything needing a swapin just gets killed |
| 16:56.37 | ShadowJK | so phys ram gets freed up at an astonishingly fast rate :-) |
| 16:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 16:56.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i have an otterbox, i need a team of engineers to remove the backcovercover first |
| 16:57.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hands kerio a magnet |
| 16:58.10 | ShadowJK | does keyboard slide out with otterbox? |
| 16:58.17 | kerio | ShadowJK: yup |
| 16:58.22 | kerio | it's divided in two parts |
| 16:58.27 | kerio | otherwise it would be kinda useless |
| 16:58.41 | tadzik | I have a similar thing, came with my N900 in the Nokia box |
| 16:58.47 | tadzik | it's pretty shitty though, too loose |
| 16:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: maybe "55:23:99 kernel: [kswapd] OOOPS! IO error on <dev> swap! ... bla dump dump bla ... |
| 17:00.28 | kerio | ShadowJK: it even has a tiny crevice on the part that ends up over the keyboard, so your fingers can fit better on the top row of the keys |
| 17:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB system "stays up" after OOPS |
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| 17:00.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is there a way to make it panic after OOPS? |
| 17:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, afaik there's a kernel parameter you can set, like panic-on-oops or sth |
| 17:01.58 | kerio | echo "30000 30001 30002 30003" > /proc/sys/vm/lowmem_allowed_uids wait, what |
| 17:02.11 | kerio | # 30000 is messagebus, 30001 could be used by Matchbox |
| 17:02.22 | kerio | my highest PID is 1757 |
| 17:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | could be? |
| 17:02.26 | kerio | :s |
| 17:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | check friggin files in /etc! |
| 17:02.46 | kerio | this is rcS-late |
| 17:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it's UID, not PID |
| 17:03.01 | kerio | oic |
| 17:03.23 | kerio | 30001 is haldaemon here |
| 17:03.29 | kerio | and 30003 is sshd |
| 17:03.50 | kerio | wow, that's actually pretty neat, sshd will work even in stupid memory conditions |
| 17:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it won't get killed by OOM |
| 17:04.35 | kerio | no, that's "never denied allocation in lowmem" |
| 17:04.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't mean it will work flawlessly |
| 17:04.44 | kerio | (apart by lack of memory, i mean) |
| 17:05.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | what do you think does "deny allocation" mean? |
| 17:06.05 | kerio | below a certain threshold of free ram, malloc() returns NULL? |
| 17:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess it rather triggers OOM, since many apps don't behave on malloc() fail |
| 17:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe not |
| 17:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, doesn't matter |
| 17:07.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no real need to OOM kill those, they'll just blow up with a sigsegv :) |
| 17:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | also OOM kicks in way earler than malloc() fail, since OOM tries to keep important stuff alive, while malloc() fails for everybody once there's not enough memory left |
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| 17:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, many progs are poorly written and will spin in an endless loop trying to allocate enough mem |
| 17:09.59 | kerio | ...wat |
| 17:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | typical case: install global error handler to catch all errors. In that error handler a) forget to disable error-handler, and b) instantiate an object |
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| 17:13.33 | tadzik | kerio: just checked. It does a Surprise REboot |
| 17:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or b) do any other malloc() ) |
| 17:13.42 | kerio | tadzik: immediately? |
| 17:13.50 | tadzik | kerio: when I launched Opera. It may have not noticed before |
| 17:13.57 | tadzik | there were like 2 MBs taken of 1024 |
| 17:14.20 | kerio | tadzik: well, now you know what happens if you remove a stick of ram from a live computer |
| 17:14.22 | kerio | :) |
| 17:14.24 | tadzik | yeah :) |
| 17:14.54 | kerio | tadzik: what's bootreason now? |
| 17:15.09 | kerio | cat /proc/bootreason |
| 17:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpf |
| 17:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | what might it be? really I can't guess ;-P |
| 17:15.47 | tadzik | kerio: rw_rst |
| 17:15.52 | tadzik | erm, sw |
| 17:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH *surprise*! |
| 17:15.59 | tadzik | sounds like "software reset" |
| 17:16.07 | tadzik | or Supwise Reset |
| 17:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | now what do we know? |
| 17:16.54 | tadzik | computers don't like having ram taken away |
| 17:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's neither been hw_watchdog nor powerbutton that caused boot |
| 17:17.12 | kerio | hw_watchdog is dsme? |
| 17:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 17:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dsme is sw_rst |
| 17:17.34 | kerio | yeah but "reboot" is also sw_rst |
| 17:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly ;-P |
| 17:17.54 | kerio | what about kernel panic? |
| 17:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sw_rst |
| 17:18.23 | kerio | ok, so we know nothing |
| 17:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 17:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | try sp-oops-extract /dev/mtd2 |
| 17:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody know if Volkswagen used meego for their back-seat-entertainment systems? |
| 17:22.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i don't have sp-oops-extract |
| 17:22.28 | kerio | which package is it in? |
| 17:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpf |
| 17:22.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search sp-oops-extract |
| 17:22.45 | kerio | oh, it's apparently sp-oops-extract |
| 17:22.50 | kerio | how convenient |
| 17:23.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i can't authenticate packages from the tools repo, is it a known problem? |
| 17:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 17:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | If I been able to conveniently ignore the warning, then maybe it's "known" |
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| 17:25.11 | tadzik | is there any particular reason why http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 stuff is not in repos? |
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| 17:26.12 | kerio | tadzik: ask Pali |
| 17:26.45 | tadzik | Pali: question: is there any particular reason why http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 packages are not in the repos? |
| 17:26.51 | Pali | yes 2 problems |
| 17:27.34 | Pali | 1) more apps depends on kernel-feature-something and these "provides" are only provided by kernel-*-flasher packages |
| 17:27.47 | Pali | u-boot replacing existing kernel |
| 17:28.01 | Pali | 2) needs proper packaging |
| 17:28.31 | Pali | problem 2) should be fixed (it conflicts all old u-boot packages) |
| 17:28.53 | Pali | and problem 1): I have not tested patch which ask user if really want to flash kernel... |
| 17:29.05 | Pali | when I finish 1) I will push u-boot to extras-devel |
| 17:29.23 | Pali | tadzik, but now I do not have time for u-boot... |
| 17:29.30 | tadzik | okay, understood |
| 17:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: let me know if that patch actually works both in apt-get and HAM, I'd love to fix this problem on tsome other pkgs |
| 17:30.28 | Pali | Doc, it patching fiasco-image-update |
| 17:30.37 | Pali | it is shell script |
| 17:30.43 | Pali | but I did not tested it yet... |
| 17:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>patch which ask user if really want to flash kernel... |
| 17:31.22 | Pali | yes, because -flasher packages using that fiasco- script for flashing... |
| 17:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | either it rises a hildon-Requester which goes unnoticed on remote ssh, or it tries to read from stdin which doesn't work in HAM obviously |
| 17:32.38 | Pali | files: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/fiasco-image-update.patch http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/zimage-get-version.c |
| 17:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of the main reasons why some packages are supposed to get installed by HAM only, while some others will fail terribly when not installed via apt-get (none of latter class known yet) |
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| 17:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB the problem could get fixed easily, if we could find out whether we are in interactive shell or not |
| 17:37.21 | kerio | the problem could get fixed easily if HAM supported debconf |
| 17:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or climb up the parent tree and check for any of "HAM" | "apt-get" |
| 17:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: while I got no friggin clue what's debconf, I doubt HAM is supposed to support it. If it actually should and that would help for this (and other) problem(s), you're free to open a ticket or even provide a patch |
| 17:41.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's the debian way of asking stuff to the user while installing |
| 17:41.29 | kerio | you can use different frontends |
| 17:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, debconf IS a frontend |
| 17:43.20 | kerio | "debconf is a backend database, with a frontend that talks to it and presents an interface to the user" |
| 17:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | debconf runs any *special* program that talks debconf-protocol via stdin/stdout |
| 17:44.03 | kerio | those are the frontends! |
| 17:44.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | man 1 debconf |
| 17:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | bs, those are called backend |
| 17:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | frontend is the "GUI" |
| 17:45.23 | kerio | anyway, nobody uses the debconf binary, it's mostly ran by dpkg/apt/whatever |
| 17:46.27 | kerio | it's neat because the same package can get a text-mode configuration interface while installing from apt-get, and a GUI when installing from, say, synaptic |
| 17:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how TF is debconf supposed to know the difference? when called by apt-get or synaptic? |
| 17:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless told about the fact by either of both explicitly |
| 17:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | we wouldn't need any debconf to tell our pre-install script via $env to either use a requester or stdin/readline to query user's choice |
| 17:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | we just could try to find an $env that is unique to interactive shell |
| 17:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or check if stdin and stdout are like they should on interactive shell |
| 17:53.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: apt-get already tells debconf :) |
| 17:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or, alternatively, find any $env that's unique to HAM's child processes |
| 17:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: don't create noise, suggest a patch! |
| 17:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | evidently on fremantle apt-get doesn't tell debconf since we don't have debconf |
| 17:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I still fail to see how debconf would open a proper hildon requester when run under HAM |
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| 17:57.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, HAM would tell debconf to use a graphical frontend |
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| 17:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how's that compatible with our current pre-install scripts and why we need that at all, instead of implementing it into HAM instead of an interface to debconf? |
| 17:59.44 | kerio | it's compatible with our current pre-install scripts because those will just keep working as they do now |
| 17:59.55 | kerio | and we should do that because debconf is The One True Way to do stuff like this |
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| 18:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, damn! provide a patch! |
| 18:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to evaluate size increase of binary vs benefit it brings |
| 18:00.59 | piggz | lo * |
| 18:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: btw all our pre-install scripts that request user interaction do that via hildon requester already. I don't see how implementing some debconf monster into HAM will "fix" that or just guarantee compatibility. It's apt-get from terminal/shell that needs a fix for the requester showing up on device screen and not via stdout/stdin. Can debconf do this? how? (no, it can't since it got no clue about how our pre-inst scripts call that |
| 18:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | requester) |
| 18:06.57 | kerio | hm, how is the requester called? |
| 18:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, why do you ask that just now, instead of before you start spamming? |
| 18:10.18 | kerio | oh, just maemo-confirm-text? |
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| 18:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest |
| 18:53.32 | RST38h | what is -T? |
| 18:53.36 | kerio | -testing |
| 18:53.45 | RST38h | and why is it making us jump through loops?=) |
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| 19:01.17 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 19:01.23 | kerio | yaaaaaay |
| 19:01.26 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 19:01.26 | infobot | :), kerio |
| 19:01.34 | kerio | (:, infobot |
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| 19:11.41 | ajf_ | how do carriers detect tethering which isn't allowed in your plan, and how easy is it for them to do this on my N900? |
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| 19:13.34 | kerio | ajf_: it's kind of impossible to do on the N900, unless they do DPI |
| 19:13.41 | kerio | and even then... |
| 19:14.23 | ajf_ | or check the User-Agent header perhaps, since HTTP does go through some transparent proxy |
| 19:14.49 | ajf_ | but I read iDevices phones either report it to the carrier, or they use an alternative APN |
| 19:14.57 | ajf_ | so the N900 won't do anything like that? |
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| 19:20.28 | kerio | ajf_: probably not |
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| 19:34.50 | ShadowJK | Although when you tether through bluetooth dun or through usb cable, the pc itself establishes a new connection through N900. The computwer decides the apn, and if N900 is already connected to mobile internet, a second connection would be noticed, of course :) |
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| 19:35.49 | ShadowJK | Through wifi mobile hotspot thingy, N900 shares its own connection |
| 19:37.57 | kerio | if you only do proper forwarding and no "tether" bullshit (which is something that i only began to hear once the iphone was out, because apparently mobile phones in the US are stupidly locked down) then there's really nothing the carrier can say in response to "well, i have a n900" |
| 19:40.31 | ShadowJK | Sometimes you can see shit fly across the network that could only originat from a windows pc :) |
| 19:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest |
| 19:43.21 | ajf_ | oh, I forgot it shows up as a USB modem so you choose the APN in NetworkManager |
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| 19:45.06 | kerio | ShadowJK: qemu |
| 19:47.33 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; is there no way to make ham do that itself |
| 19:48.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask merlin1991, it seems the way it's packaged now there's none except postponing cssu-t update rollout (something we should've considered) |
| 19:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but as usual merlin1991 was trigger-happy |
| 19:49.25 | ShadowJK | How about adding it in the description then, iirc you can have a "news" thinygy that shows what's new |
| 19:49.38 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: yeah that would have been a good idea |
| 19:49.45 | ShadowJK | in ham |
| 19:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, nice idea, but I am afraid you have to convince merlin1991 about that |
| 19:50.43 | ShadowJK | And then in next updates also make it fix stuff for people that did update all |
| 19:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | we even could've implemented a simple abort condition in cssu-t pre-install |
| 19:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | if only merlin1991 would've allowed testing of release prior to public rollout |
| 19:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | now prepares for a nightshift |
| 19:54.12 | ShadowJK | I'd think that priority would be: temporarily disable/remove this, fix it so that it doesn't mess up, put it back, add scripts or whatever is needed to repair situation for people who already upgraded, push out thst? |
| 19:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily recovery is rather simple: quit ham, wait 5 min, start ham, wait, do update opername, quit ham, wait 5 min, start ham, wait, do cssu-t update |
| 19:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: but basically I of course agree with you |
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| 19:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems general notion is cssu-t users have to cope with minor nuissance like that |
| 19:57.04 | ShadowJK | Oh so it eventually fixes itself with a user pressing update whenever the ! update icon starts flashing? |
| 19:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably |
| 19:57.25 | ShadowJK | and what is it recovering from? Does operator name just vanish while things are "broken"? |
| 19:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's some conflict that doesn't allow cssu-t to install |
| 19:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 19:58.50 | ShadowJK | Well yes, as "testing" implies.. But likewise automatic fixes and automatic recoveries of mistakes could be part of it ;) |
| 19:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, sure. Just merlin1991 is already busy with other 'more imprtant' stuff (uBoot) |
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| 20:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | while I'm trying to clean up the mess... :-S |
| 20:00.52 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: the operator-name package name changes, but in order to update cleanly you need a package of operator name with a version higher than 3.0 |
| 20:01.02 | merlin1991 | which the dummy update provides |
| 20:01.29 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: the "automated" way would have been to depend on the dummy package aswell, but then the mp would break if someone "as they ususally should" attempts to remove the dummy |
| 20:01.56 | merlin1991 | I had the choice between a 2 step upgrade or a useless pkg on the device |
| 20:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or an assert in pre-install "INSTALL OPERNAME FIRST, DUMBASS! RTFM!" |
| 20:03.04 | ShadowJK | Couldn't a future upgrade have removed the useless pkg? |
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| 20:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 20:04.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff |
| 20:04.28 | ShadowJK | Dunno, "rtfm" sounds kinda silly when the manual isn't bundled with the update |
| 20:04.38 | ShadowJK | user gets flashing icon |
| 20:04.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is it an automated message? |
| 20:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, self augmenting msg |
| 20:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, i'm just bored |
| 20:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: was a cooking receipe only |
| 20:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd never use words like DUMBASS either on such a notice ;-P |
| 20:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually if I wasn't concerned about cssu QA and thus read #maemo-ssu, I'd be one of those dumbass users myself |
| 20:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-11 14:54:37] <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: unfortunate you didn't allow prior testing of testing |
| 20:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-11 14:55:02] <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: I gather copying of repo wasn't that simple |
| 20:11.07 | ShadowJK | what's with dummy pkg anyhow |
| 20:11.24 | kerio | ShadowJK: a wrong initial packaging of connui-home-cellular |
| 20:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me |
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| 20:21.16 | merlin1991 | NIN101: ping |
| 20:22.30 | NIN101 | merlin1991: pong |
| 20:23.26 | merlin1991 | NIN101: I'm attemting to use your rescue OS for something, but I'm failing at the step where I ssh / telnet in from my pc, I ran the usbnetworkign enabler script, but when I use telnet to 192.168.2.15 nothing happens |
| 20:23.29 | ShadowJK | so it can't be fixed in steps? |
| 20:23.43 | NIN101 | merlin1991: run telnetd |
| 20:23.55 | NIN101 | just by typing "telnetd" |
| 20:24.57 | merlin1991 | what's the login? |
| 20:25.08 | NIN101 | root:rootme |
| 20:27.37 | merlin1991 | NIN101: any way to transfer a file back over the networking? |
| 20:28.27 | kerio | merlin1991: is there uuencode/uudecode? |
| 20:28.38 | NIN101 | "tcpsvd -v 0.0.0.0 21 ftpd -w" enables anonymous down- and uploads everywhere. |
| 20:28.48 | NIN101 | or use netcat or so... |
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