| 00:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | #jollamobile |
| 00:00.02 | jacekowski | oO |
| 00:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ex nokia ;-P |
| 00:00.20 | jacekowski | oooooooooooooooo |
| 00:00.48 | jacekowski | who's going to build those? |
| 00:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | THAT we don't know |
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| 00:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a LOT of small and medium sized fabs that manuf whatever you hand them |
| 00:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia neither manuf'ed on own gabs afaik |
| 00:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | fabs* |
| 00:02.13 | jacekowski | who's going to pay for it all |
| 00:02.18 | jacekowski | those fabs don't work for free |
| 00:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.mwkn.net/2012/28/front.html |
| 00:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | THAT we also don't know, but somebody with huge pockets |
| 00:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | jacekowski, apparently they have a lot of private capital. |
| 00:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least they think it's a lot |
| 00:03.29 | SpeedEvil | huge pockets? |
| 00:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually some few millions are nuttin in this business |
| 00:03.50 | SpeedEvil | so the first device is a 12"tablet? |
| 00:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 00:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | THAT we also don't know ;-P |
| 00:04.28 | jacekowski | i would really like a phone that has HW keyboard, lasts at least 2 days of use on battery (week ideally), it's IP67 rated, runs linux with X but with option to run android apps as well |
| 00:04.35 | jacekowski | and it floats |
| 00:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it seems whatever the screen size, it will have some phone functionality aiui |
| 00:04.55 | SpeedEvil | and can be sat on. |
| 00:05.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, unless it flies I don't care |
| 00:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not only straight downward |
| 00:06.03 | SpeedEvil | I've been thinking that a nexus 7 with 2g of ram, with Linux/android and 3g modem might be close to ideal for me. |
| 00:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | IP67 hehehe |
| 00:06.09 | nox- | wasnt there a n900fly thing? :) |
| 00:06.25 | SpeedEvil | :-( |
| 00:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah incredible |
| 00:07.21 | SpeedEvil | I now have a broken n7. dropping from 1.5m onto corner on rock killed touchscreen. |
| 00:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 00:07.53 | SpeedEvil | otoh, I can now open it and play with the innards. |
| 00:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds XXX rated |
| 00:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | grr timasmoff, jaffa, this article starts with two words I had to look up in dictionary, one of them not in there :-( |
| 00:10.02 | SpeedEvil | I am wondering about interfacing to other screens. |
| 00:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF stalwart? |
| 00:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: ^^^ |
| 00:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict stalwarts |
| 00:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict downtrodden |
| 00:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict respleded |
| 00:12.42 | SpeedEvil | that's not a word |
| 00:13.02 | SpeedEvil | resplendent? |
| 00:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 00:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns on >> a "new smartphone using this MeeGo based OS will be revealed later this year." No detailed specifics about the stack have been announced beyond it being based on the Mer Core and Qt, with Jolla providing their own UI on top. |
| 00:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like they're doing it *again* |
| 00:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it == spin a 'proprietary' GUI of their own wet dreams, without any community participation and most probably again closed |
| 00:16.24 | SpeedEvil | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299&sid=5996fb40b25a83c1628eed2111ebbb62#p1879299 |
| 00:16.46 | SpeedEvil | a rant on this very topic, written several years back |
| 00:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((>>The silliest bits of 'Under Heavy Manners' are, in fact, the most important: "I am resplendent in divergence". "Remain in hell without despair"<<)) |
| 00:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh Urizel! |
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| 00:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: hey, I bookmarked this rant some 5 days ago ;-) |
| 00:26.06 | Ken-Young | Is there anyone around who has installed the Maemo 5 SDK on a linux system recently? |
| 00:26.22 | SpeedEvil | not Jere. |
| 00:26.25 | SpeedEvil | here |
| 00:26.32 | SpeedEvil | sigh. |
| 00:26.45 | Ken-Young | Zut alors! |
| 00:27.17 | SpeedEvil | I need some way to feed this vkbd 20m of my text. |
| 00:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJSQOepI9YA |
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| 00:33.55 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
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| 00:34.14 | SpeedEvil | seen mikeselectricstuff on YouTube? |
| 00:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p50lX-O17mQ |
| 00:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 00:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | "continue:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJSQOepI9YA |
| 00:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so |
| 00:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict replendent |
| 00:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 00:46.27 | Ken-Young | It's a perfectly cromulent word. |
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| 01:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, I wrote that article. |
| 01:31.32 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, which words are you confused by? :P |
| 01:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | stalwarts |
| 01:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict stalwarts |
| 01:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's an abuse of stalwart |
| 01:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict stalwart |
| 01:32.42 | SpeedEvil | stalwarts - reliable men |
| 01:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 01:32.50 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I guess not so much an abuse as the lesser-used plural noun form. |
| 01:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | docScrutinizers about nouned adverbs |
| 01:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | poettering |
| 01:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | to poetter? |
| 01:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fripp intervies seem to have potential to confuse the mind |
| 01:41.54 | GeneralAntilles | Halfway through replacing an old (1960s) electrical subpanel and 3 timers for the pool |
| 01:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | With a single subpanel + 2 timer enclosure. |
| 01:42.11 | GeneralAntilles | So much nicer. |
| 01:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, fun |
| 01:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | 60s' electrics are usually so.... |
| 01:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | dusty? |
| 01:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | Rusty, dusty, and mean. |
| 01:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | Need to reroute all the conduit now. . . . |
| 01:44.20 | SpeedEvil | wide enough conduit is great. I recommend 80cm |
| 01:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
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| 05:11.34 | GGon | LOL |
| 05:11.39 | GGon | http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/06/nokia-admits-faking-video-for-new-lumia-smartphone/?intcmp=obinsite |
| 05:11.44 | GGon | AWESOME JOB NOKIA! |
| 05:17.16 | Sicelo | indeed lol. when i saw RST38h mention it hours ago, i just remembered a convo that was here where it was said Elop has a clear goal and knows how to execute it |
| 05:17.21 | Sicelo | :-/ |
| 05:17.48 | Sicelo | one thing for sure, this will haunt Nokia for a long time |
| 05:18.32 | GGon | yeah heh |
| 05:18.38 | GGon | that's crazy |
| 05:19.02 | GGon | not to mention the people who filmed the video.. i mean cmon.. camera man caught in a frame? that's just fail |
| 05:20.58 | Sicelo | disappointing. the 920 seems to be a fine device though. too bad they have cursed it now |
| 05:23.03 | Sicelo | then again, wasn't it Elop that blamed marketting/sales for Nokia's problems? i guess the poor guys were trying to please him |
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| 05:35.35 | GGon | hahaha |
| 05:35.57 | GGon | i don't understand how blunder after blunder this guy is still in charge of nokia |
| 05:36.19 | GGon | since he has become ceo nokia has had to have lost like 90% of its value :) |
| 05:40.59 | Sicelo | maybe Nokia should have pushed to be exclusive hardware manufacturer for WPx |
| 05:43.28 | Sicelo | that said, has anyone successfully booted something else on the current Lumias? |
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| 08:26.43 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: As you'll have noticed, the article was edited by GeneralAntilles. FWIW, I don't think "downtrodden" or "stalwart" are words to necessarily avoid. |
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| 10:09.22 | parranda | sorry for being a bother but I'm unable to connect to a TTLS PAP wifi network on my N900 |
| 10:09.50 | parranda | I have, AFAIK, PR1.3 and wlantool has the PAP enabling option checked when I run it |
| 10:10.07 | Lava_Croft | Sicelo: I don't think so :< |
| 10:10.22 | Lava_Croft | Don't think MS would dig that either :< |
| 10:10.57 | parranda | could someone give me a hint about whether I need to mess around with the configuration editor so it actually notices everything is PAP (as it is, all strings in that wifi key are MSCHAPv2 |
| 10:12.00 | tadzik | I successfully use MSCHAPv2 on my n900 |
| 10:12.13 | tadzik | no special magic in the configuration |
| 10:12.23 | parranda | tadzik: the problem is I need to use PAP, not MSCHAPv2 |
| 10:12.28 | tadzik | ah |
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| 10:13.55 | parranda | the wlantool application says that PAP is enabled, the network configuration tool lets me choose PAP... but it still doesn't seem to work :) |
| 10:13.58 | parranda | (yay) |
| 10:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: surely not, it might finaly bring some life to my technical english |
| 10:27.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is there a way to remove the tasknav animations? |
| 10:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ??? |
| 10:28.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: open a window and close it in the tasknav |
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| 10:28.32 | kerio | you get a tiny animation before the tasknav closes due to lack of windows |
| 10:28.35 | kerio | i want to remove that |
| 10:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | transitions.ini? |
| 10:28.37 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 10:29.03 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: I was listening to a programme on Radio 4 last night, where they were talking about how "Just a Minute" had really helped people's proper use of English grammar in India. |
| 10:29.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's nothing related to that, i think |
| 10:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: then you're back to the sourcecode |
| 10:30.37 | kerio | D: |
| 10:31.21 | kerio | meh, i'm restoring this |
| 10:31.28 | kerio | ooh, maybe i have to reboot |
| 10:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | restart HD |
| 10:31.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 10:31.55 | kerio | i'm not that leete |
| 10:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: they tought indians not to use proper pidgin anymore? :-o |
| 10:33.41 | parranda | ok, sorted out my PAP problem. It seems that PAP requires a network username (usually anonymous@somewhere) but it has to be entered in the Advanced options area as "manual user" or something like that (I'm running the Spanish locale) |
| 10:34.16 | parranda | sorry for wasting your time. Have fun :) |
| 10:35.28 | tadzik | we're on IRC. We're wasting time by definition |
| 10:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: you know the saying about pidgin: an Indian, a Chinese, a native speaker from America, a Brit, and a few ather Nations have a technical meeting. In the end all managed to transport their point, except the native speaker American who used "eloquent" american words which nobody understood |
| 10:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | other* |
| 10:39.02 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 10:39.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yay, i has no animations anymore :D |
| 10:39.22 | kerio | ...and now it's kinda hard to figure out which window you came from if you have two similar ones |
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| 10:41.16 | zsolt | hi there.could somebody tell me which toolchain am I able to use to crosscompile for maemo? |
| 10:41.24 | kerio | zsolt: scratchbox, usually |
| 10:41.31 | zsolt | 2007 and 2009 toolchain is outdated |
| 10:41.50 | zsolt | willing to use scratchbox2 |
| 10:42.11 | zsolt | what about arm-linux-gnueabi? |
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| 10:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I simply followed instructions on wiki |
| 10:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik the SB version used for fremantle is kinda obsolete and kept in a semi-zombie state by Nokia just for the sake to not switch to newer version |
| 10:46.16 | zsolt | well,is it possible to use gnu toolchain?if so,which one?arm-linux-gnueabi or arm-none-linux-gnueabi |
| 10:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (tbh I followed an instruction on some opensuse wiki page about how to install fremantle SDK) |
| 10:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | zsolt: usually you mustn't change toolchain(-version) for a deployed project. Lately fremangordon and friends did a lot of work to get a newer better compiler ready for compiling anything at all for fremantle |
| 10:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | in general it's not guaranteed that binaries built on newer toolchain will play nice with libs and kernel built on old original toolchain |
| 10:51.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | though in theory it should work, you see a lot of "oops, we didn't anticipate that" in practice |
| 10:51.23 | zsolt | but what happens if i use gnu toolchain? |
| 10:52.47 | zsolt | i think that no all new functions are implemented in the older versions,that's why got everytime make errors |
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| 10:56.53 | zsolt | or could you give me link for the fremangordon toolchain? |
| 10:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's only a new compiler version |
| 10:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't probably help for make errors |
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| 11:01.10 | zsolt | anyway,which one is for maemo?arm-linux-gnueabi or arm-linux-noneabi? |
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| 11:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I can say that I never heard of arm-linux-noneabi |
| 11:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | while gnueabi been a frequently used word here |
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| 11:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I hope I'm not mixing that with stuff from other related channels like #meego etc) |
| 11:08.20 | zsolt | so,which one should i use for n900? |
| 11:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* - of course the one I never heard from ;-P |
| 11:09.00 | zsolt | arm-none-linux-gnueabi |
| 11:09.18 | zsolt | i misstyped before |
| 11:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, then I dunno |
| 11:09.42 | fizzie | You could possibly ask "gcc -dumpmachine" about the proper triplet on the official scratchbox. |
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| 11:12.28 | zsolt | thank you |
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| 12:38.46 | kerio | aw, zsolt left |
| 12:38.54 | kerio | anyway, gcc -dumpmachine gives me arm-linux-gnueabi on my n900 |
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| 13:42.22 | MrPingu | Hi |
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| 13:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | (it seems) recent marble update on cssu-t gave me broken app: route planner has black-on-black text, also several other screens/menus seem affected |
| 13:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | (you can highlight text by blindly touch&drag on locations where you suspect text might be) |
| 13:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or press hw-kbd ctrl-a) |
| 13:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall we had that friggin bug some 2 years ago. Thought it got squashed |
| 13:52.42 | MrPingu | I vaguely remember that was an old busybox-power bug because of tmp not getting mounted and some grapchis couldn't be loaded |
| 13:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, something about Qt iirc |
| 13:53.20 | MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05: atleast we both remember that bug ;) |
| 13:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, though my memory has nothing about busybox |
| 13:54.46 | MrPingu | Brb, getting a jump on the next train |
| 13:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | curse this Friday. Marble fsckup. HPLIP rolled 3.12.9 which during update spins busy loop doing get_dents() across all my PATH entries and never terminates, but of course leaves printer support broken after killing the runaway process |
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| 13:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | AFK for chilling :-/ |
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| 14:17.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: some people don't respect read-only friday |
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| 14:47.24 | timeless | hey, anyone here familiar w/ Qt? :) |
| 14:47.35 | jacekowski | a lot of people |
| 14:47.43 | jacekowski | though #maemo-dev may be better channel |
| 14:48.27 | timeless | i'm trying to figure out if there's any valid reason for someone to name a method "relase(...)" |
| 14:48.34 | timeless | instead of the more logical "release(...)" |
| 14:48.50 | timeless | a quick check of qobject shows that it didn't reserve "release(...)" |
| 14:48.54 | tadzik | probably a tyop |
| 14:49.01 | timeless | tadzik: that's my bet |
| 14:49.09 | timeless | (i'm using a script that identifies such items) |
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| 14:58.20 | timeless | grr |
| 14:58.23 | timeless | hates github |
| 14:58.29 | timeless | i think i submitted a pull request to myself |
| 14:58.36 | timeless | anyone here happen to use github? :) |
| 15:03.12 | tadzik | yes |
| 15:03.59 | tadzik | what do you need? |
| 15:04.21 | kerio | timeless: well you better accept the request :D |
| 15:04.37 | timeless | kerio: i'd rather delete it, but i can't figure out how to do that |
| 15:04.47 | timeless | i was able to close it, but it's still pretty embarrassing... |
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| 15:05.50 | tadzik | it isn't, who'd care ;) |
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| 15:16.52 | timeless | chuckles |
| 15:17.03 | timeless | the previous project i looked at was british (behaviour) |
| 15:17.13 | timeless | this project is confused (behavior, Behavior, behaviour) |
| 15:17.55 | timeless | 3 for british, 2 for each american (although that's a function name) |
| 15:18.13 | timeless | (well, the uppercase is a function name) |
| 15:18.14 | ShadowJK | Confuzzled behaviour, eh? |
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| 15:20.21 | timeless | ayup |
| 15:21.08 | ShadowJK | I'm disappointed mixing zz and ou didn't cause any exploding people |
| 15:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | those won't aswer ;-) |
| 15:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | answer even |
| 15:24.03 | timeless | oops |
| 15:24.06 | timeless | finds a bug in script |
| 15:24.22 | timeless | language splitter does a fairly good job of splitting words |
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| 15:24.30 | timeless | but for some reason "BOOL)animated" isn't split into two words :( |
| 15:24.39 | timeless | oh, no, that's more or less intentional |
| 15:24.45 | timeless | for annoying things like (A)ccept |
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| 15:39.36 | timeless | yay! |
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| 15:58.27 | timeless | ok, |
| 15:58.34 | timeless | what is an expecation? |
| 15:58.51 | kerio | hahaha |
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| 15:59.12 | kerio | an exception, maybe? |
| 15:59.15 | kerio | or an expectation? |
| 15:59.18 | ShadowJK | exception, expectation, escapade? |
| 16:00.56 | timeless | https://github.com/apache/incubator-cordova-ios/blob/master/bin/templates/project/www/spec/lib/jasmine-1.2.0/jasmine.js |
| 16:01.06 | timeless | it appears at least 3 times in that file |
| 16:01.17 | timeless | the repo seems to have another similar word somewhere else |
| 16:01.40 | timeless | oh, right, some are plurals and some aren't |
| 16:01.44 | timeless | so just that one file |
| 16:02.01 | timeless | my initial guess was ShadowJK 's #2 |
| 16:02.07 | timeless | but i think kerio was right |
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| 16:07.23 | timeless | ooh! |
| 16:07.25 | timeless | Gravitional |
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| 16:10.29 | ShadowJK | gravyred |
| 16:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spell expecation |
| 16:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: the code of ibot's spell is public |
| 16:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that helps ;-) |
| 16:19.56 | timeless | yeah yeah |
| 16:20.03 | timeless | the thing is, i have ms word too |
| 16:20.08 | timeless | but humans will give me a shorter list |
| 16:20.18 | timeless | kerio: gave me exactly one answer (the right one) |
| 16:20.31 | timeless | ShadowJK: gave me 3, one was the wrong one i picked, one was right, and one was amusing |
| 16:20.49 | timeless | infobot otoh, didn't have the right answer :) |
| 16:20.53 | tadzik | yay, n900 fixing time |
| 16:23.35 | ArGGu^^ | hello, does anyone know if there is any guide to replace maemo with ubuntu on n900? |
| 16:24.05 | tadzik | I saw one, didn't work for me :) |
| 16:24.10 | tadzik | I think it's on the wiki somewhere |
| 16:24.17 | tadzik | ubuntu wiki, actually |
| 16:24.24 | ArGGu^^ | tadzik replace? not dual boot? |
| 16:24.32 | tadzik | oh, I don't know |
| 16:24.37 | tadzik | I know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 |
| 16:24.39 | ArGGu^^ | because I have only found tutorials for dual booting |
| 16:24.54 | tadzik | ...why would you do that? :) |
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| 16:26.10 | ArGGu^^ | tadzik I don't use it as phone anymore, I would like try to install ubuntu with lxde on it and have external monitor with tv-out and use touchscreen as mouse |
| 16:26.28 | kerio | tvout? |
| 16:26.31 | kerio | oh god |
| 16:26.41 | ArGGu^^ | kerio ? |
| 16:26.57 | ArGGu^^ | what problem with tv-out? |
| 16:27.42 | kerio | it's a fuzzy 640x480 at best |
| 16:27.53 | ArGGu^^ | offcourse it has really low resolution, but I would connect into really small display so does not matter that much |
| 16:28.04 | ArGGu^^ | but of course bigger screen that n900 own |
| 16:28.46 | ArGGu^^ | well n900 does not have hdmi or vga output |
| 16:28.59 | ArGGu^^ | so there nothing else than tv-out |
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| 16:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | usb vga adapter ;-P |
| 16:30.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: does usb have enough bandwidth to push 1024x768? |
| 16:30.56 | kerio | also WHY DIGITAL D: |
| 16:30.57 | kerio | er |
| 16:30.59 | kerio | WHY ANALOG |
| 16:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on protocol you run there |
| 16:31.15 | kerio | uncompressed? |
| 16:31.35 | kerio | hm, 135MB/s |
| 16:31.48 | kerio | it fits in usb 2.0, right? |
| 16:32.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 16:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | usb2.0 max 400 Mb |
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| 16:33.30 | ArGGu^^ | but there is also that 7" monitor with rca input does not cost much |
| 16:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you don't want to push raw digitized video data thru USB. At 'worst' you do "raw mem writes" to the frame buffer in adapter |
| 16:35.18 | kerio | it would still suck for big changes, right? |
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| 16:35.51 | kerio | the n900 needed an expresscard expansion port |
| 16:35.52 | kerio | >:D |
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| 16:40.55 | timeless | tadzik: my n900's sim holder thingy has started being flaky |
| 16:40.58 | timeless | what's wrong w/ yours? |
| 16:41.04 | tadzik | timeless: flex cable |
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| 16:41.11 | timeless | ? |
| 16:41.17 | tadzik | I just found screws for which I need a more precise screwdriver :F |
| 16:41.35 | tadzik | timeless: http://i.imgur.com/8xw67.jpg |
| 16:41.43 | tadzik | it looks as if someone bit it |
| 16:41.45 | timeless | i have a towel holder in my bathroom for which i need a more precise screwdriver :( |
| 16:42.06 | timeless | ouch |
| 16:42.11 | kerio | timeless: what the fuck |
| 16:42.15 | kerio | a *towel holder*? |
| 16:42.31 | timeless | kerio: lemme see if i can find a picture of a similar item |
| 16:42.39 | kerio | i know what it is |
| 16:42.48 | kerio | i just can't figure out why you'd need a precision screwdriver |
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| 16:44.04 | timeless | it's a regular screw, but incredibly tiny, i think i need jeweler's regular screw driver for it |
| 16:45.28 | kerio | wtf |
| 16:45.31 | kerio | pics pls |
| 16:45.34 | timeless | it's something like http://prod.towel-hooks.com/images/berenson/Large/BER2110US10B.jpg |
| 16:45.55 | kerio | just hammer it in |
| 16:46.00 | timeless | but the hook part basically has an incredibly stupid anchor point |
| 16:46.50 | timeless | closer to http://bestbathroomtips.com/bathroom-towel-hooks-design-pictures/robe-hooks-pics/ |
| 16:47.01 | timeless | see the glint at the bottom of that one? |
| 16:47.01 | tadzik | heh, I'll just get the piece alone and go to the store with it |
| 16:47.15 | timeless | there's basically a screw there |
| 16:47.30 | kerio | if it's that small of a screw, it's hammerable :) |
| 16:47.40 | timeless | it hangs from a thing say 1/2 up from center |
| 16:47.50 | timeless | and the screw catches it to prevent it from coming off the wall |
| 16:47.52 | timeless | but... |
| 16:48.07 | timeless | you have to really get the screw in, otherwise it can basically lift off from the top |
| 16:48.15 | timeless | which is what happens if you pull on it/the towel on it |
| 16:48.26 | timeless | resulting in potentially hurt feet/unhappy floor |
| 16:51.38 | timeless | sighs |
| 16:51.47 | timeless | http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-Install-Towel-Hooks-62644314 is totally unhelpful |
| 16:52.02 | timeless | ok, i give up |
| 16:52.09 | timeless | goes back to people who can't spell |
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| 16:54.00 | ShadowJK | timeless; is "sim holder flaky" diagnosis based on crossed out sim icon in UI? |
| 16:54.10 | timeless | more or less yes |
| 16:54.29 | timeless | there's sometimes an info banner to go along w/ it |
| 16:54.44 | timeless | sometimes it comes back on its own, sometimes i give up and pull the battery and jiggle it |
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| 16:54.54 | timeless | do you have a better diagnosis for me? |
| 16:54.56 | timeless | is all ears |
| 16:55.21 | ShadowJK | timeless; well no, it's just not related to sim holder |
| 16:55.40 | ShadowJK | It progresses to not working at all, not even for emergency calls sim-less. |
| 16:56.03 | ShadowJK | Upper bound on N900 life, I think. |
| 16:56.08 | timeless | "Son, your phone is dying" |
| 16:56.18 | ShadowJK | I've had 2 N900 die that way. |
| 16:56.42 | ShadowJK | Second degraded in 2 weeks, first took 2 months from first signs until unusability. |
| 16:57.05 | timeless | fwiw, Conversations has some issues |
| 16:57.15 | timeless | 1. i have 3 or so google talk accounts |
| 16:57.22 | timeless | it claims that one of them is talking to a certain person |
| 16:57.29 | timeless | when in fact, a different one is talking to that person |
| 16:57.42 | ShadowJK | Both would reliably crash cellmodem (cat /proc/kmsg) when I pinched phone around ghjk on keyboard |
| 16:57.48 | timeless | 2. it thinks that some sms's were never delivered, which means i'm stuck w/ a permanent stupid error message |
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| 16:58.59 | timeless | 3. conversations likes to experience temporary amnesia for interactions w/ that conact |
| 16:59.02 | timeless | which is unfortunate, since that contact is ... "important" |
| 16:59.18 | timeless | hrm, better make those quotes asterisks :) |
| 17:00.55 | ShadowJK | It's fun when operators manage to pass smss in one direction, but ack in other direction doesn't arrive, and operator message centre retried regulary for 2 weeks |
| 17:01.06 | ShadowJK | recipient gets a copy every half hour :) |
| 17:02.22 | timeless | ouch |
| 17:02.27 | timeless | yeah, i'm basically not getting acks |
| 17:02.36 | timeless | i'm pretty sure they're partially arriving |
| 17:02.47 | timeless | since the recipient isn't being flooded |
| 17:03.03 | timeless | but i can't tell if the recipient got the message, so i manually flood |
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| 17:13.05 | timeless | anyone here familiar w/ .pbxproj ? |
| 17:13.16 | timeless | nm |
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| 17:16.55 | ShadowJK | well there are two kinds of acks afaik, the ones operators use, and then the ones that get generated on delivery to recipient's handset |
| 17:17.14 | ShadowJK | the second one disappearing doesn't cause retransmits |
| 17:18.07 | ShadowJK | it's basically a plain sms that gets parsed by the phone and interpreted as delivery confirmation |
| 17:18.28 | timeless | how would you spell Paul-Lee-Phil ? |
| 17:18.44 | ShadowJK | uh? |
| 17:18.48 | timeless | it's a js term |
| 17:18.54 | timeless | but i don't want to bias you to a spelling |
| 17:19.01 | timeless | so i intentionally didn't use many correct letters |
| 17:19.40 | ShadowJK | I thought you were trying to spell a Chinese-Korean name |
| 17:19.55 | timeless | ah, sorry |
| 17:20.35 | ShadowJK | Paul Lee Phil? polepile? what D: |
| 17:21.01 | timeless | ShadowJK: as a hint, `ph` is often written as `f` |
| 17:21.16 | timeless | and some chinese write `lee` as `li` |
| 17:21.27 | timeless | although it can also be written in other ways... |
| 17:21.40 | ShadowJK | perl file? |
| 17:21.47 | timeless | say the words faster together |
| 17:21.53 | timeless | and keep in mind the context is javascript |
| 17:22.07 | ShadowJK | polyfile? |
| 17:22.49 | timeless | close but, Phil is a short "i" and File is a long "i" |
| 17:24.04 | ShadowJK | did I mention I don't know js? |
| 17:24.31 | timeless | that'd hurt here :( |
| 17:24.40 | timeless | i'm not sure of the correct spelling fwiw |
| 17:25.05 | ShadowJK | polyphilic? |
| 17:25.13 | timeless | the concept is basically "taking an object and using rough polymorphism to add ["fill"] missing properties / methods" |
| 17:25.24 | timeless | the problem is consider "full of success" |
| 17:25.31 | timeless | is it "successfull" or "successful" ? |
| 17:26.05 | ShadowJK | full of win |
| 17:27.03 | timeless | https://github.com/jsoref/incubator-cordova-ios/blob/master/CordovaLib/Classes/CDVReachability.h#L4 |
| 17:27.13 | timeless | check out the word before APIs on that line :) |
| 17:27.17 | ShadowJK | I think you should ask the ministry of english composition |
| 17:27.22 | ShadowJK | he's german |
| 17:27.27 | timeless | heh |
| 17:27.49 | guly | could you please share the drugs you took? |
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| 17:28.23 | timeless | guly: who? which? why? |
| 17:28.53 | guly | i'd like to try, seems impressive <g> |
| 17:29.11 | ShadowJK | guly; i think you'll find you already did |
| 17:29.58 | ShadowJK | that's how good they are |
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| 17:34.39 | timeless | wtf |
| 17:35.33 | timeless | check out the word before mediaId on https://github.com/jsoref/incubator-cordova-ios/blob/master/CordovaLib/Classes/CDVSound.m#L593 |
| 17:35.44 | timeless | any idea what they are trying to do there? :) |
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| 17:39.10 | kerio | hungarian postfix notation |
| 17:39.13 | kerio | it's a short status |
| 17:39.33 | timeless | :) |
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| 18:38.48 | reenignEesreveR | i dont have .themes and .icons folder in my home directory ... which application creates these? |
| 18:39.10 | reenignEesreveR | actually i have an app (blessn900) which is silently failing ... i strace'd it to find out that it is looking for these files and then failing |
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| 18:47.28 | timeless | can someone who speaks git please hold my hand? |
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| 19:29.14 | kerio | how expensive is a wifi connection with powersaving and no data transfers? |
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| 19:32.19 | Sicelo | a bit expensive.. i would disconnect |
| 19:39.41 | ShadowJK | If no datatransfer: hard to tell difference |
| 19:40.13 | ShadowJK | But "no datatransfer" is a bit difficult, or not, depending on router. |
| 19:41.00 | ShadowJK | My WRT54GL + Tomato is very agressive in what it decides to filter out for powersaving clients. All the windows chatter that flies across the LAN it leaves out, and sometimes it leaves out ARP too, which sometimes creates a bit of connectivity issues :-) |
| 19:42.00 | ShadowJK | My old AP didn't filter anything, everything on LAN broadcast was passed on over wifi too, and when there was 3 windows machines active, the power consumption was significant enough to be noticeable. |
| 19:46.03 | kerio | hm, 10mA |
| 19:46.07 | kerio | that's not too bad, is it |
| 19:46.11 | kerio | (idle everything) |
| 19:46.40 | kerio | thankfully i only have a windows machine and it's not on at the moment :) |
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| 20:43.11 | ShadowJK | So that's double my "completely idle" test, in complete offline mode |
| 20:43.16 | ShadowJK | not bad |
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| 20:46.00 | kerio | :D |
| 20:54.47 | GGon | still moving all my stuff off google |
| 20:54.58 | GGon | ugh what a pain. i never realized how many things are associated with my gmail acct |
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| 21:04.46 | tadzik | meh, I have a shiny, new flex cable, and no screwdriver to assemble it :| |
| 21:18.25 | piggz | wow, square-it builds and runs on n900, first time! |
| 21:18.36 | piggz | not without issue tho...it is rotated the wrong way |
| 21:18.48 | piggz | hmm, how does n900 handle rotation |
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| 21:26.12 | piggz | oo, it works, just need to _not_ set it to portrait |
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