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| 00:36.27 | zltan | hi |
| 00:36.36 | Ken-Young | Hi |
| 00:39.09 | zltan | is this channel about n900? |
| 00:40.09 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:40.38 | SpeedEvil | technically, other maemo devices too. |
| 00:41.32 | zltan | well, my n900 is quite laggy, what do you recommend me to do in order to get it work smoothly? |
| 00:42.02 | joga | zltan does it get better after reboot? |
| 00:42.39 | zltan | joga: perhaps, but I can notice an obvious difference |
| 00:42.44 | zltan | can't |
| 00:43.02 | joga | (I regularly kill hildon-home because after a while it starts lagging every time the screen turns on) |
| 00:43.38 | M4rtinK | check top for runaway processes ? |
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| 00:43.48 | zltan | i've noticed a new package - fastern9, what do you think about it? |
| 00:43.54 | joga | ie. after picture is visible, it takes several seconds to do anything, and it also happens if the phone is ringing which is awkward because even though I pressed answer many seconds ago I still wait for it to notice and to stop the ringtone :) |
| 00:44.23 | joga | zltan fwiw, I've tweaked transition effects to a minimum, it helps a lot imo |
| 00:44.28 | joga | (it appears more snappy) |
| 00:44.53 | joga | also avoiding cluttering desktops with unneccessary widgets that update all the time |
| 00:45.53 | joga | also install status area cpu/mem applet, then you can always see if it's busy when tiny bars rise up |
| 00:46.47 | zltan | joga: have you tried the fastern9? |
| 00:46.48 | joga | I've gotten used to that so if it seems busy I'll just let it do its thing first or at least don't press many times in hopes of getting a response |
| 00:46.53 | joga | zltan no |
| 00:47.46 | zltan | it seems that it really makes an improvement |
| 00:47.55 | joga | I do have swappolube |
| 00:48.01 | joga | not sure what fastern9 does |
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| 00:48.39 | joga | I haven't kept very up to date on recent programs/developments |
| 00:48.42 | zltan | fastern9: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83940 |
| 00:48.55 | joga | oh |
| 00:49.07 | joga | but is that for n9 or n900? |
| 00:50.36 | joga | uff...sleepy time, good night |
| 00:51.01 | zltan | bye |
| 00:51.18 | zltan | what theme do you use? |
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| 01:13.13 | TamyrRRRR | Anyone have experience with broken N900:s? When I press the power button my N900 seems to turn on (the led blinks white), but the screen doesn't turn on and the vibrator doesn't vibrate as it did before :( |
| 01:13.39 | robbiethe1st | It's not dead? |
| 01:13.44 | robbiethe1st | *battery |
| 01:13.45 | TamyrRRRR | However, I hear clicks when clicking the screen just like I normally do, so the touchscreen input seems to work at least |
| 01:13.51 | Ken-Young | TamyrRRRR, Have you tried removing the battery for a brief while, then trying a reboot? |
| 01:13.58 | TamyrRRRR | Ken-Young: Yep |
| 01:14.08 | robbiethe1st | I'd bet the screen cable is broken |
| 01:14.53 | Ken-Young | TamyrRRRR, If you call the n900's number, does it ring? |
| 01:15.17 | robbiethe1st | You can get replacement cables and screens on Ebay |
| 01:15.30 | TamyrRRRR | Ken-Young: haven't tried it, but I doubt it since I can't enter the SIM unlock code |
| 01:16.39 | TamyrRRRR | robbiethe1st: Something like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-NEW-Nokia-N900-LCD-Screen-Display-Replacement-Spare-Part-ORIGINAL-NEW-/390395501140?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item5ae5629a54 |
| 01:16.46 | Ken-Young | The vibrator not working makes it sound like it's not just the screen. |
| 01:17.00 | TamyrRRRR | Indeed |
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| 01:18.03 | TamyrRRRR | I could also mention that the keyboard lights do turn on |
| 01:18.26 | robbiethe1st | There's a lot tied to that screen cable |
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| 01:18.48 | Ken-Young | I may be wrong then. |
| 01:18.50 | robbiethe1st | without it, the device won't boot properly. With a broken one, it will usually boot, but... |
| 01:21.54 | TamyrRRRR | robbiethe1st: I haven't disassembled my N900 before, would it be hard to replace the LCD? |
| 01:22.06 | robbiethe1st | No. |
| 01:22.33 | robbiethe1st | You have to be careful and you need a small philips screwdriver(ph00), and a small torx driver |
| 01:22.44 | robbiethe1st | But it's not hard to replace the LCD or the cable |
| 01:23.00 | TamyrRRRR | Could there be any chance that the cable has simply been dislodged? (This seems to happen after the phone dropped one meter on the floor) |
| 01:23.06 | robbiethe1st | could be |
| 01:23.21 | robbiethe1st | Check once it's open |
| 01:24.53 | robbiethe1st | The hardest part is, when you pull the LCD out, you have to be careful about dust getting in, and dust on top of the new LCD |
| 01:25.20 | TamyrRRRR | I see. Although that would be merely a cosmetic problem not a functional problem? |
| 01:25.30 | robbiethe1st | Correct |
| 01:25.45 | robbiethe1st | You need to be very careful with the cable, though, for obvious reasons |
| 01:25.58 | robbiethe1st | There's good photo-guides and youtube videos out there |
| 01:28.17 | TamyrRRRR | The N900 seems to be more fragile than other phones I've had :/ |
| 01:28.36 | TamyrRRRR | I've already had it replaced once (although they tried to foist some Symbian based device on me as a replacement...) |
| 01:28.50 | robbiethe1st | Eh, it's got a couple of issues - USB port was a definite design flaw. |
| 01:29.00 | robbiethe1st | Other than that, I've seen only random failures |
| 01:29.15 | robbiethe1st | Like the LCD cable. Occasional failures, not everyone |
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| 01:29.36 | TamyrRRRR | My first unit failed in such a way that the phone couldn't connect to the phone network |
| 01:29.50 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, that's happened before |
| 01:30.03 | robbiethe1st | I've got a device(from Ebay) with a broken cellmodem |
| 01:32.39 | TamyrRRRR | Oh well, luckily I have a spare phone available to use at the moment |
| 01:35.03 | TamyrRRRR | robbiethe1st: Any hints on what to search for if I only need the cable? (I've found some dealers that seem to have the LCD itself) |
| 01:36.31 | robbiethe1st | Dunno |
| 01:36.51 | robbiethe1st | 'cable'? |
| 01:38.14 | TamyrRRRR | Heh, I see that the service manual warns you to be careful about not damaging the USB connector... :) |
| 01:39.26 | robbiethe1st | With the device open, you can always throw some solder between the USB connector and the nearby metal covers. |
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| 01:40.20 | TamyrRRRR | Might be a good idea |
| 01:43.58 | TamyrRRRR | robbiethe1st: Thanks for the hints, I guess I'll try to open the phone tomorrow or so and see if the cable is dislodged before I begin to order replacement parts online |
| 01:44.07 | robbiethe1st | fair enough |
| 01:44.14 | robbiethe1st | make sure you have the right tools |
| 01:45.11 | TamyrRRRR | I'll have to buy a small torx driver I guess |
| 01:45.18 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
| 01:45.25 | robbiethe1st | It's like a T3 or 4 |
| 01:46.27 | TamyrRRRR | Although as far as I can see I should be able to inspect one end of the top/bottom connector using just a small phillips driver |
| 01:47.03 | TamyrRRRR | The service manual says not to reuse the screws by the way, is that something to be concerned about` |
| 01:47.07 | TamyrRRRR | ? |
| 02:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | TamyrRRRR: check chanlog for "FPC" yesterday |
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| 02:01.33 | TamyrRRRR | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks, I'm looking into it |
| 02:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you don't need to be too concerned about new screws, I hardly ever heard they broke for anybody. But if you have a chance to get new ones, I'd do |
| 02:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got L1_2 servie manual? |
| 02:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | service |
| 02:03.12 | TamyrRRRR | Yep, I found Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_Service_Level_1_2.pdf on some of the seedier parts of the net |
| 02:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 02:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may want to connect N900 to TV, it might give some hints of what's going on |
| 02:05.36 | TamyrRRRR | Ah, good idea |
| 02:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually broken FPC finally causes AV-out to also fail |
| 02:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I had same problem, and initially TV shown some semi-usable screen display still |
| 02:06.53 | TamyrRRRR | Odd. (Since the AV-out is on the bottom part.) |
| 02:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | later it collabsed to a green line in middle of TV screen |
| 02:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems the sync for all framebuffers is entangled |
| 02:07.32 | TamyrRRRR | Ah |
| 02:07.54 | TamyrRRRR | Makes sense i guess (although if they cared that much about sync you'd think they would have enabled VSync mode in the software... :)) |
| 02:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually have no really good story why FPC has such big impact on the whole device. But I know it has |
| 02:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you like to investigate by yourself: there's also the schematics available |
| 02:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may want to check my exploded gallery too: maemo.cloud-7.de |
| 02:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe docs in hidden there ;-) |
| 02:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | TamyrRRRR: NB you won't need a new LCD, just the main flex board |
| 02:13.22 | TamyrRRRR | Thanks :) |
| 02:13.40 | TamyrRRRR | I was thinking along those lines as well |
| 02:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | link I posted yesterday is ~15 bucks |
| 02:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite reasonably priced, taking into account it has camera, ALS, proxy sensor, LED and probably several parts I forgot |
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| 02:16.09 | TamyrRRRR | Oh, the joys of unstable radeon drivers |
| 02:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | though odds are your device suffered more severe breakage on mainboard when you drop it |
| 02:16.55 | TamyrRRRR | Well, it is worth a try at least |
| 02:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually this results in balls' solder joints breaking, on the large BGA chips |
| 02:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 02:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you already found a TV? |
| 02:18.11 | TamyrRRRR | No, too late to mess with the TV today as I'll wake up the spouse :) |
| 02:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 02:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | please keep me updated on your findings |
| 02:18.52 | TamyrRRRR | Although I'm afraid she may have heard a few choice words when I discovered what had happened to my poor N900... :/ |
| 02:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ping me any time and just post here, I'm occasionally reading each post |
| 02:19.06 | TamyrRRRR | I'll try to do that |
| 02:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw when FPC ('cable') breaks, that's most usually the connector end, a sandwich of B2B-connector, flex board, and a piggyback rigid board with jumper coper traces, all three soldered together. Obviously it's not the sturdiest design to have three frexible flat objects soldered togeter, the joints break when you slightly bend the whole contraption |
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| 02:26.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (basically same as with large BGA chips and PCB board, only those are way more rigid than the flex board) |
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| 02:29.39 | TamyrRRRR | Anyway, thanks for the hints, I'll try to disassemble the phone tomorrow (or later this week depending on time constraints) to inspect the FPC |
| 02:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing, drop by and let me know what you find, as well as any questions |
| 02:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | also check your vibrator motor |
| 02:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | It's actually a tad strange that this doen't kick anymore on early boot |
| 02:31.32 | TamyrRRRR | Where is the vibrator motor located? Top or bottom part? |
| 02:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | top next to powerbutton |
| 02:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | err bottom |
| 02:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | on top of bottom part ;-P |
| 02:32.10 | TamyrRRRR | :) |
| 02:32.22 | TamyrRRRR | Basically, it is not connected via FPC |
| 02:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | the large silvery block |
| 02:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 02:32.40 | TamyrRRRR | Which I guess may point to a more significant problem :/ |
| 02:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 02:33.09 | TamyrRRRR | Ouch |
| 02:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your true problem is vibrator motor came off and now shorting sth |
| 02:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may shake the device thoroughly and listen/feel if anything's loose |
| 02:35.12 | TamyrRRRR | Doesn't sound like that (at least not when holding down SIM/SD-card holders) |
| 02:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah yeah, I just thought "no SIM, no PIN query" |
| 02:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's really SIM PIN and not your device lockcode |
| 02:36.25 | TamyrRRRR | Right, might make it easier to start the device |
| 02:37.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | also check for screen without backlight, or maybe backlight on black screen |
| 02:37.21 | TamyrRRRR | I hear the Nokia jingle after a short while when booting device without SIM |
| 02:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 02:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, kinda |
| 02:37.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | could be anything now |
| 02:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | from loose B2B-connector to broken BGA chip soldering |
| 02:38.30 | TamyrRRRR | Yay |
| 02:39.39 | TamyrRRRR | Hmm, the vibrator is connected to the same chip that handles the backlight driver it seems like... |
| 02:40.09 | TamyrRRRR | Which is kind of worrying |
| 02:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | all GAIA aka twl4030 |
| 02:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 02:40.56 | TamyrRRRR | Yep, at least according to the schematics |
| 02:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | N4200 |
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| 02:41.15 | GGon | hi |
| 02:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
| 02:42.08 | GGon | thought it was time to give up the old ways... getting too old for nicks like "Mace" heh |
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| 02:47.00 | TamyrRRRR | DocScrutinizer05: Hmm, when I press the middle of the keyboard I hear some weird mechanical noise that I haven't heard before |
| 02:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 02:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | vibrator? |
| 02:48.29 | TamyrRRRR | Not the usual vibration sound (I hear the same sound even when no battery is connected to the device) |
| 02:49.17 | TamyrRRRR | Oh well, I'll have to open up the device I guess (or send it for warranty replacement, but I hesitate to do so because I've already done it once before :) |
| 02:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant maybe it's the loose vibrator now doing some noise on deformation of device by pressing on it |
| 02:50.02 | TamyrRRRR | Ah |
| 02:50.13 | TamyrRRRR | Could be |
| 02:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | TamyrRRRR: no more waranty replacements of N900 |
| 02:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia has no more spares |
| 02:50.59 | TamyrRRRR | Ouch |
| 02:51.36 | TamyrRRRR | I had problems with that a few months ago when I got a replacement for my N900 (they tried to foist a Symbian device on me) |
| 02:51.57 | TamyrRRRR | Didn't even have the decency of trying to "upgrade" me to a Windows phone |
| 02:52.52 | TamyrRRRR | Oh well, time to get some sleep now, later all |
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| 08:36.49 | kerio | hm, it does |
| 08:36.56 | kerio | i should probably ionice it too |
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| 09:19.58 | jon_y | kerio: tell Nokia care that the latest phone is the N900, there are none other :) |
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| 09:21.56 | kerio | hahaha |
| 09:22.54 | jon_y | its true, Nokia has not produced any phones since the N900 :) |
| 09:23.38 | jon_y | the N900 is sadly no longer in production, so afaik, they've been idling |
| 09:23.55 | tadzik | no wonder the stock value goes down |
| 09:24.05 | chem|st | rofl |
| 09:24.07 | tadzik | "uhm, guys, there's been three years, maybe you produce something?" |
| 09:24.30 | tadzik | "naah, what for, we can just sell Qt or something" |
| 09:25.06 | jon_y | MicroSD cards now defile phones, rule34 now in effect on SD cards :| |
| 09:25.36 | tadzik | well, I have an SDcard for N900, but it's only for toying with Nemo |
| 09:25.42 | tadzik | 32 GB is quite enough for me |
| 09:26.05 | jon_y | is Nemo usable for everyday stuff? |
| 09:26.19 | jon_y | important, call recording |
| 09:26.28 | tadzik | I don't think it can record calls |
| 09:26.31 | tadzik | you can do calls though |
| 09:27.06 | tadzik | I wanted to give it a one day go (use it for 24 hours), but I though "I'll fix contact importing first, maybe", and was unable to setup a devel env since then ;) |
| 09:27.07 | jon_y | I kind of have crap memory, so call recording is important |
| 09:27.36 | tadzik | maybe I'll have some tuits on weekend |
| 09:28.48 | Luke-Jr | jon_y: I don't think *any* phone supports call recording… and you have to be careful since it's criminal in some jurisdictions |
| 09:29.03 | Luke-Jr | (unless you tell every single person you talk to..) |
| 09:29.06 | jon_y | my Meamo N900 does it fine |
| 09:29.15 | jon_y | *maemo |
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| 09:29.40 | Luke-Jr | how? |
| 09:29.45 | jon_y | Luke-Jr: yeah, only criminals are allowed to record calls :) |
| 09:29.55 | jon_y | apt-cache search record |
| 09:29.55 | Luke-Jr | jon_y: pretty much :/ |
| 09:30.07 | jon_y | I can't remember the exact name |
| 09:30.17 | jon_y | it auto records when the phone is answered |
| 09:30.20 | tadzik | http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/26314743.jpg |
| 09:30.58 | jon_y | the only problem it has is that your own voice volume is kind of soft |
| 09:31.11 | Luke-Jr | recaller? |
| 09:31.13 | jon_y | other than that, it's good |
| 09:31.14 | jon_y | yeah |
| 09:31.26 | Luke-Jr | hum |
| 09:32.00 | jon_y | tell it to record as mp4, wav is overkill |
| 09:32.15 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 09:32.40 | jon_y | I have a year's worth of audio recording on a tiny 8GB SDcard |
| 09:32.50 | jon_y | then again, I don't call much |
| 09:33.02 | jon_y | needs logrotate integration :) |
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| 09:34.37 | pavi_ | Offline maps - What all are possible ? I saw a link for http://nokia900.blogspot.in/2009/12/downloading-ovi-maps-without-network.html but the site for files seems to be down |
| 09:34.51 | Luke-Jr | good luck with that <.< |
| 09:35.10 | tadzik | pavi_: I use modrana and sometimes agtl with offline maps |
| 09:35.19 | tadzik | unless you mean maps as "The Maps" |
| 09:35.29 | pavi_ | modrana ? |
| 09:35.33 | tadzik | yeah |
| 09:35.35 | pavi_ | lemme check it |
| 09:35.39 | tadzik | it's nice |
| 09:36.05 | jon_y | I just get a dedicated GPS unit :) |
| 09:36.12 | jon_y | n900 too short battery life |
| 09:36.22 | tadzik | yeah, true |
| 09:36.26 | jon_y | I don't have mmmonster batteries |
| 09:36.52 | jon_y | dem 3000mAH batteries |
| 09:37.33 | pavi_ | N900 is fine with GPS provided you disconnect the GPRS/3G after you get the fix |
| 09:38.21 | pavi_ | tadzik, modrana seems to be a nice GPS app , what map tiles are in background ? |
| 09:38.57 | edheldil | OSm, I think |
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| 09:39.15 | pavi_ | Nice if it is OSM . I dont want the crappy nokia or google |
| 09:39.36 | edheldil | But the interface used to be so unintuitive I was not able to use it for navigation. Might be better now |
| 09:39.54 | Luke-Jr | installing recaller produced no binaries, menu items, or settings items |
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| 09:41.00 | tadzik | pavi_: could be OSM, can be also google, OSM for bikes and other stuff |
| 09:41.02 | tadzik | (iirc) |
| 09:42.06 | pavi_ | tadzik, you sure I could use it offline . |
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| 09:42.14 | edheldil | Luke-Jr: look for a desktop widget |
| 09:42.15 | tadzik | yes |
| 09:42.20 | jon_y | pavi_: why disconnect GPRS/3G? |
| 09:42.22 | tadzik | I'm using it offline all the time |
| 09:42.24 | jon_y | agps? |
| 09:42.30 | tadzik | jon_y: bills :) |
| 09:42.37 | tadzik | especially abroad |
| 09:42.45 | jon_y | it's doing agps? |
| 09:42.49 | tadzik | it can be |
| 09:42.59 | jon_y | ok, makes sense |
| 09:43.05 | pavi_ | jon_y, YES AGPS . |
| 09:43.11 | jon_y | turn off the modem |
| 09:43.42 | pavi_ | LOL manual fix ? |
| 09:44.03 | pavi_ | 10 minutes ? |
| 09:44.48 | ShadowJK | if you use it regulary, time to first fix without agps is under a minute |
| 09:45.05 | tadzik | if you use it in the same area, too |
| 09:45.17 | pavi_ | wow never tried . |
| 09:45.49 | pavi_ | whats the first fix duration on a clear sky ? |
| 09:46.01 | tadzik | you never know |
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| 09:46.51 | pavi_ | I bet the battery will die before we get the fix :P |
| 09:46.51 | jon_y | could be up to 10 minutes |
| 09:46.59 | chem|st | jon_y: 12minutes |
| 09:47.10 | jon_y | chem|st: is that the max limit? |
| 09:47.19 | chem|st | that is the cache repeat time |
| 09:47.40 | chem|st | so if it does not have a fix after 12minutes there might be a receiving error |
| 09:47.55 | pavi_ | ohh is it? |
| 09:48.13 | jon_y | ok, I just moved 12 timezones away from my last use position :) |
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| 09:52.48 | pavi_ | on the other hand what does nokia maps do when opened ? |
| 09:53.06 | pavi_ | takes lot of time to settle down |
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| 09:58.53 | tadzik | for (;;) |
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| 10:03.36 | pavi_ | tadzik, installed and tried modrana very nice :) Dunno why I didnt know about this before |
| 10:03.46 | pavi_ | I used mappero , maep |
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| 10:05.40 | pavi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41037 maemo-mapper was suggested , nice interface but I dont think it supports a download option |
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| 10:09.11 | lartza_ | pavi_: mappero supports downloading offline tiles |
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| 10:10.18 | lartza_ | 1. get route from google 2. download tiles with different zoom levels along the route (menu -> maps -> manage maps) |
| 10:11.44 | kerio | holy shit modrana requires a shitton of packages |
| 10:11.46 | kerio | including espeak |
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| 10:14.14 | pavi_ | kerio, yeah worth it , you get a qml app as well as bonus :P |
| 10:15.59 | kerio | haha |
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| 10:19.45 | kerio | hm, modrana qml is just a black screen here |
| 10:19.51 | kerio | maybe it's just loading |
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| 10:20.13 | pavi_ | ohh lemme check |
| 10:20.36 | kerio | and then it crashes |
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| 10:21.03 | kerio | meh |
| 10:21.33 | tadzik | yeah, the qml ui is LTA |
| 10:21.37 | tadzik | as in, "doesn't work" |
| 10:22.15 | pavi_ | modrana is 11 MB for install aka 11 rupees on my BSNL 3G . |
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| 10:48.53 | pavi_ | Guys any news on Jolla mobile ? Me thinking of buying something with a better touch screen . |
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| 11:10.49 | ShadowJK | thinks it'll be along time, if ever, before a batter touchscreen appears |
| 11:11.16 | kerio | ShadowJK: well, resistive/capacitive hybrids do exist |
| 11:11.18 | kerio | and they're neat |
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| 11:14.52 | jacekowski | how? |
| 11:15.02 | jacekowski | i've seen that screen used in samsung note |
| 11:15.10 | jacekowski | but that's inductive+capacitive |
| 11:16.14 | ShadowJK | One annoyance I have with my 10" tablet is that it sometimes does stuff even if you dont touch it, just if finger is close enough |
| 11:16.36 | ShadowJK | and impossible to hold near screen or it stops registering presses elsewhere |
| 11:18.58 | pavi_ | I am not that particular on touch screen but I mean a modern touch with as much freedom as you can ? Is n9 still good after nokia ditching it ? |
| 11:19.34 | pavi_ | I mean is it worth asking a relative buying it off amazon in europe and ask him to bring it to india ? |
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| 11:20.44 | ShadowJK | wouldn't associate freedom with N9 |
| 11:21.06 | kerio | pavi_: eeeh |
| 11:21.54 | pavi_ | The best thing I like about N900 is the keyboard :( |
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| 11:22.47 | kerio | yeah |
| 11:22.53 | kerio | my n900 broke down, i bought another one |
| 11:23.01 | kerio | there's just nothing remotely similar around |
| 11:23.08 | pavi_ | hopes Jolla mobile would come up with a "libre" phone with keyboard . |
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| 11:25.42 | pavi_ | I follow the maemo news letter and all I get is N9 that N950 that updates .. what about N900 ? Recently saw a kindle book reader app for them and was sad :( |
| 11:26.53 | edheldil | pavi_: there's btw a decent sliding kbd for eyePhone as well |
| 11:26.56 | edheldil | ducks |
| 11:27.34 | pavi_ | lol is eyephone libre ? |
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| 11:31.57 | pavi_ | check this out N950 bid crossed 1500 pounds http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130742367995&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123 |
| 11:32.09 | pavi_ | Damn you nokia ! |
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| 11:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if somebody at Nokia will overbid every insane offer |
| 11:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | stares at his N950 |
| 11:56.23 | N950 | stares back |
| 11:56.29 | tadzik | sorry, couldn't resist |
| 11:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I coul dget ~15 N900 for the N950 |
| 12:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or afford a whole month of nice holiday, unpaid |
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| 12:05.47 | chem|st | or 5 n9 64gb or a car or 3 weeks chartered sailing... |
| 12:06.25 | chem|st | ~slap n950 |
| 12:06.25 | infobot | ACTION slaps n950, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 12:06.30 | n950 | scurries nonchalantly off, in a still quickening pace |
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| 12:09.23 | kerio | ~nuke Elop |
| 12:09.23 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Elop ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 12:09.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: pff, 15 N900s are better |
| 12:09.58 | chem|st | kerio: I'd go sailing! |
| 12:10.20 | kerio | you could change N900 every two days for a month! |
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| 12:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: depends. When you live in a depot with tons of them, maybe 15 less are a tiny relief ;-P |
| 12:13.51 | kerio | do you live in a depot with tons of them? |
| 12:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not yet |
| 12:14.03 | kerio | =D |
| 12:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | with 15 more - yes |
| 12:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually one of the reasons to ponder selling some of those critters is lack of space on my desk |
| 12:15.32 | kerio | give me one |
| 12:15.51 | kerio | i promise i'll charge it and update it and keep it warm |
| 12:16.35 | kerio | and i won't abuse its usb port! |
| 12:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120812_002.jpg |
| 12:17.49 | kerio | man, the openmoko phones were ugly |
| 12:18.26 | kerio | is that a winmo6 samsung? :o |
| 12:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:19.21 | kerio | ew |
| 12:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, at that time I bought hw for refrence reasons |
| 12:20.46 | chem|st | those new lumias look like someone is thinking about dockingstations again |
| 12:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and often disassembled and binned it |
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| 12:21.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | new lumias? |
| 12:21.19 | chem|st | 920 820 |
| 12:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, i'm not following the pursuit of buying hw for disassembly anymore |
| 12:22.13 | kerio | buy that n950 |
| 12:22.16 | kerio | disassembly it |
| 12:22.18 | kerio | reassembly it |
| 12:22.19 | kerio | and then blend it |
| 12:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so without any URL I guess I won't even google |
| 12:23.32 | chem|st | http://www.focus.de/digital/handy/lumia-920-und-820-mit-windows-phone-8-die-neuen-nokia-handys-im-ersten-check_aid_814081.html |
| 12:24.12 | chem|st | uh beware nokia it has rounded edges and a display and a dedicated home button on the front... |
| 12:24.13 | Lava_Croft | I saw someone tweet about how it remains weird to see your girlfriend with another man |
| 12:24.24 | Lava_Croft | (regarding new Lumia devices) |
| 12:24.31 | chem|st | yes |
| 12:24.32 | kerio | *ex-girlfriend |
| 12:24.37 | Lava_Croft | naw, girlfriend |
| 12:24.45 | Lava_Croft | im a happy N9 user |
| 12:24.51 | Lava_Croft | and Nokia still sells the N9 iirc |
| 12:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | AHAAAAA Lumia920, now I know what I worked on for the last year ;-P |
| 12:28.23 | chem|st | your job was related? |
| 12:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | "...has LTE with European bands" |
| 12:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | mind you, Nokia sold own modem chip fab to renesas |
| 12:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so they need to buy their modem chips from 2nd source now |
| 12:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know where I worked |
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| 12:31.18 | chem|st | ah ok |
| 12:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that also makes perfect sense that even 'our' employees had to sign a special NDA "in blood" when they needed access to the sources of Nokia |
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| 12:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I accidentally requested access to that usergroup. Almost felt like next second the security will roll in our office ;-P |
| 12:34.58 | chem|st | anyone from berlin here? |
| 12:35.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I know of |
| 12:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo not cool enuf for Berlin ;-P |
| 12:36.49 | chem|st | so I need to take both devices with me! |
| 12:39.23 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: are the security armed? :) |
| 12:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never really met them, but I think they have tasers and stuff |
| 12:40.04 | jon_y | watch bad boys 2, now with phones instead of drugs |
| 12:40.27 | jon_y | smuggling samsung phones by the crate from south america |
| 12:41.03 | jon_y | tasers, sounds bad |
| 12:41.17 | jon_y | where I work, they just go around with batons |
| 12:42.11 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: maybe you'll get a visit from your manager instead :) |
| 12:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already quit that job, so... prolly not |
| 12:43.26 | jon_y | ah ok :) |
| 12:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | AWESOME picture (Germans only!) http://www.focus.de/digital/handy/handy-geschichte-mobilfunk-im-wandel-der-zeit_did_12098.html |
| 12:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if she brought that brick from ex-GDR |
| 12:45.08 | jon_y | I have actually seen those "portable" phones |
| 12:45.27 | jon_y | giant antenna |
| 12:45.37 | jon_y | from Motorola |
| 12:46.08 | Edheldil | I used to carry one with giant heatsink, foldable antenna and a handset on a twisted cord |
| 12:46.49 | Edheldil | probably motorola as well |
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| 12:50.48 | jon_y | Sim card was credit card size iirc |
| 12:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know those as well |
| 12:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the suitcase with spiralcord and handset was awesome ;-P |
| 12:51.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | only like 6kg |
| 12:52.20 | jon_y | murder weapon indeed |
| 12:52.34 | Edheldil | I had to carry it everywhere when I was on a duty call |
| 12:52.54 | kerio | what kind of batteries were used at that time? |
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| 12:53.08 | tadzik | . o O ( running hamsters ) |
| 12:53.18 | Edheldil | lions, probably? |
| 12:53.26 | kerio | the animal kind? |
| 12:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Edheldil: no way |
| 12:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | NiCad if you were lucky, I guess |
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| 12:54.11 | Edheldil | ah, ok |
| 12:54.20 | Edheldil | sounds more plausibe |
| 12:54.57 | Edheldil | they we weighingabout 2kg, I guess, size of a longshot glass |
| 12:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | might even have been sealed lead acid X-P |
| 12:55.04 | jon_y | hah, I remember NiCd batteries |
| 12:55.16 | jon_y | crappy capacity memory |
| 12:55.32 | jon_y | you have a special procedure to dischare and recharge |
| 12:56.12 | Edheldil | I always relied on a phone to do that correctly ;-) |
| 12:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, better than sealed Pb: those were like LiIon: once discharge completely, never take any charge again |
| 12:56.53 | fizzie | We had this particular model http://allthemods.com/img/04/4939.jpg plus some kind of a car adapter so that you could stick the phone part in trunk, and take the "headset" part in the car. |
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| 12:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, exactly |
| 12:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's how they looked |
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| 13:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.handy-sammler.de/museum/13.htm |
| 13:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | motorola 1000 is what I recall |
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| 13:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sadly wonders how long til N950 value will drop due to interest cooling down |
| 13:14.59 | Edheldil | DocScrutinizer05: I had st. similar to that one, but not quite ... I haven't yet found an image of the phone I used :( |
| 13:17.43 | chem|st | http://www.senatorman.de/v2/senator-b/bilder/senator_b-009.jpg |
| 13:18.13 | chem|st | is what my dad had, same car other gear-shift |
| 13:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq this opel senator had a pretty futuristic instrument board |
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| 13:21.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that time |
| 13:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had a opel with same tripmaster "computer" but way more 'normal' dials on instrument board |
| 13:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome how the speed meter is digital but the car has automatic shift plus "analog" RPM meter ;-P |
| 13:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty nonsensical |
| 13:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/shift/gear/ |
| 13:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I already used Nokia 2110 at that time ;-D |
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| 13:30.46 | kerio | http://image.ffmobile.com/product/photo/41/43/10021126.d4dadb8694d9a6b6a71059b9dc18d706.jpg battery pack! |
| 13:31.15 | kerio | it bears a striking resemblance to the n900 with three 18650s taped on the backcover |
| 13:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
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| 13:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeek, sealed Pb battery |
| 13:32.18 | kerio | yeah :D |
| 13:32.27 | kerio | 100mAh |
| 13:32.37 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: where did you work? |
| 13:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | when? |
| 13:33.01 | vi_ | when you had to sign an NDA in blood to see Nokia sources for modem. |
| 13:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | STE |
| 13:33.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | google novathor |
| 13:33.30 | vi_ | I might be moving back into embedded systems. |
| 13:33.47 | kerio | Currently, the only devices which are powered by NovaThor use the Android operating system. |
| 13:33.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: >:c |
| 13:34.07 | kerio | and windows phone 8 apparently |
| 13:34.10 | kerio | BUT NO MAEMO |
| 13:34.12 | vi_ | But my company are hard determined to buttfuck me. |
| 13:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/103171-why-nokia-is-using-st-ericssons-novathor-arm-chip-instead-of-qualcomm |
| 13:35.16 | vi_ | kerio: Did you see the leaked pictures of N9 sucessor? |
| 13:35.21 | kerio | no i did not |
| 13:35.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is it a good SoC? |
| 13:35.32 | vi_ | kerio: Basically an N950 on steroids. |
| 13:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:35.50 | tadzik | ah, the Rauta |
| 13:35.51 | Lava_Croft | Lauta basically was N9 with keyboard |
| 13:35.56 | Lava_Croft | well, exactly |
| 13:35.57 | tadzik | is it even legit? |
| 13:35.59 | vi_ | yeah that thing. |
| 13:36.01 | kerio | :'( |
| 13:36.07 | Lava_Croft | Looked pretty legit to me |
| 13:36.18 | kerio | it was pretty |
| 13:36.20 | vi_ | never made it past POC prototype. |
| 13:36.30 | kerio | shakes his fist at Elop |
| 13:36.35 | Lava_Croft | yes blame elop |
| 13:36.40 | Lava_Croft | not the people who ran Nokia before him |
| 13:36.43 | Lava_Croft | that makes total sense |
| 13:36.43 | kerio | nope |
| 13:36.53 | kerio | it's all elop's fault |
| 13:36.53 | vi_ | It is ALL OBAMAS FAULT. |
| 13:36.55 | Lava_Croft | its easy to blame elop since he comes from MS |
| 13:37.02 | Lava_Croft | and most nerds are as dumb as most other folks |
| 13:37.09 | Lava_Croft | so they just jump on the blame elop bandwagon |
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| 13:37.22 | Lava_Croft | while its actually the Finns that screwed up Nokia before Elop who are to blame |
| 13:37.25 | Lava_Croft | and the people who hired Elop |
| 13:37.36 | vi_ | I think elop just had the balls to cut the life support, that is all. |
| 13:37.40 | Lava_Croft | Yup |
| 13:37.46 | tadzik | I thought there was some sort of agreement between Nokia and MS to not produce anything but Winphones for 3 years or so |
| 13:37.47 | Lava_Croft | Elop does exactly what he is hired for |
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| 13:37.54 | tadzik | that's what I heard here somewhere at least |
| 13:38.04 | totalizator | I've just reflashed my old N800 and meh, this device is soo cool - bulletproof usb port, large screen, out of the box usb host mode that works <3 |
| 13:38.05 | vi_ | However announcing symbian was dead was a little stoopid. |
| 13:38.10 | Lava_Croft | we 'hear' a lot of things coming from the pool of unfounded anti-elop sentiment |
| 13:38.13 | kerio | Lava_Croft: to be fair, he's hired by microsoft to devalue nokia so that it can be bought for less |
| 13:38.15 | Lava_Croft | yes, vi_ |
| 13:38.21 | Lava_Croft | kerio: stop dreaming |
| 13:38.28 | vi_ | he could have just phased it out gracefully. |
| 13:38.31 | Lava_Croft | he was hired by a bunch of Finns to change Nokia |
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| 13:38.42 | Lava_Croft | after the Finns before him completely failed |
| 13:38.46 | Lava_Croft | several times over |
| 13:39.12 | vi_ | blame finn labour laws. |
| 13:39.18 | Lava_Croft | people piss on Elop, but at least Elop takes action |
| 13:39.24 | Edheldil | that still does not mean he's not responsible (as well) :) |
| 13:39.33 | vi_ | Maybe if they could have fired some of thosedead weight symbian developers. |
| 13:39.40 | Lava_Croft | He is cleaning up the way he can and the way he is expected to |
| 13:39.54 | Lava_Croft | Nobody hires an ex-MS guy and expects him to warmly hug stuff like Maemo/Meego |
| 13:40.17 | Lava_Croft | If you want to rage at anyone, rage a the people that screwed up and then hired Elop |
| 13:40.27 | Lava_Croft | To clean up their mess |
| 13:40.40 | vi_ | I will rage at the ballsack who imp-lemented aegis. |
| 13:40.43 | Edheldil | so his decisions WERE biased by his previous employer? ;-) |
| 13:40.54 | Lava_Croft | Edheldil: what do you expect when you hire an ex-MS guy? |
| 13:41.09 | vi_ | Edheldil: Why do you think they hired an ex-MS guy? |
| 13:41.17 | vi_ | Edheldil: By accident? |
| 13:41.21 | Lava_Croft | Elop was hired by Nokia with a specific reason |
| 13:41.40 | Lava_Croft | The reason might not specifically have been to transition completely to Windows, but it sure as hell was to be expected |
| 13:41.53 | Sicelo | what is the Finnish mess you're talking about Lava_Croft? |
| 13:41.53 | Edheldil | vi_: personally I think they were already courting MS |
| 13:42.08 | Lava_Croft | Sicelo: Nokia is a Finnish company that was ran by Finns |
| 13:42.18 | Sicelo | and the mess..... |
| 13:42.29 | Lava_Croft | The mess that is Symbian, the mess that is Maemo |
| 13:42.38 | Lava_Croft | why did it take to 2011 to get an answer to the iphone |
| 13:42.40 | Sicelo | heh |
| 13:42.42 | Lava_Croft | a half-finished answer |
| 13:43.05 | Lava_Croft | if the Finnish Nokia leadership actually pushed Maemo they might have had a proper iphone contender quite a bit sooner |
| 13:43.07 | kerio | symbian was the answer to the iphone before the iphone was even rumoured |
| 13:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | totalizator: wait what? You just said h-e-n doesn't work? >:-( |
| 13:43.13 | Lava_Croft | but they went down the road of having several teams combat each other |
| 13:43.16 | Lava_Croft | basically the Sony route |
| 13:43.26 | Lava_Croft | Symbian vs Maemo vs whatever |
| 13:43.56 | Lava_Croft | People have trouble looking back further than Elop's dumb burning platform memo |
| 13:44.05 | Edheldil | well, the leadership was chaotic before Elop, that's sure |
| 13:44.15 | Sicelo | your statemets sound more like a management problem than a platform/technology/innovation problem |
| 13:44.15 | Lava_Croft | it certainly isnt chaotic now |
| 13:44.20 | Lava_Croft | Sicelo: exactly |
| 13:44.24 | totalizator | DocScrutinizer05: ok, it works but it's a bit troublesome (comparing to N8xx) |
| 13:44.31 | Lava_Croft | but a managed problem becomes a platform/tech/innovation problem |
| 13:44.35 | Lava_Croft | management* |
| 13:44.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's good if you put a self-powered usb hub in front of the n900 |
| 13:44.51 | Sicelo | doubts |
| 13:44.51 | Lava_Croft | it starts at the management, they make the decisions |
| 13:45.10 | Lava_Croft | its not the fine folks who brought us Maemo that make the decisions |
| 13:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | totalizator: yeah, it's as good as we could make it |
| 13:45.46 | Edheldil | so what? I dislike Elop because he buried what was a nice platform. |
| 13:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | given the totally fsckdup hw re USB in N900 |
| 13:46.11 | Lava_Croft | I dislike Elop for not giving Meego a chance either |
| 13:46.16 | Lava_Croft | but I cant really blame it on him |
| 13:46.24 | Lava_Croft | Cant blame the cat for eating the fish |
| 13:46.54 | kerio | no but you can kick him the fuck out |
| 13:47.00 | Lava_Croft | Besides, Nokia already screwed up Maemo by going with Meego |
| 13:47.01 | kerio | together with the people who let it in |
| 13:47.09 | Lava_Croft | what good is that going to do |
| 13:47.15 | kerio | vengeance, i suppose |
| 13:47.18 | Lava_Croft | besides make a few uninformed nerds happy |
| 13:47.20 | Edheldil | Lava_Croft: n9 is maemo, though |
| 13:47.27 | Lava_Croft | yes, but ruined Maemo |
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| 13:48.06 | tadzik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.15 | kerio | tadzik: portrait |
| 13:48.19 | kerio | flees |
| 13:48.21 | Lava_Croft | compared to the awesome OS i have on my n900, the N9 just feels a bit weird |
| 13:48.24 | kerio | also no hwkbd |
| 13:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | HARM is as much maemo as Android is linux |
| 13:48.31 | tadzik | that's not maemo related |
| 13:48.33 | Lava_Croft | with its awful attempt at looking like Meego |
| 13:48.35 | kerio | yes it is |
| 13:48.48 | tadzik | the lack of keyboard? Oh please |
| 13:48.54 | Sicelo | Lava_Croft: so you say Elop has solved the Finnish mess? |
| 13:48.54 | Lava_Croft | thats a hardware problem |
| 13:48.55 | kerio | the lack of a physical keyboard changes *a lot* in the interaction modes |
| 13:48.56 | vi_ | N9 is like a castrated N900. |
| 13:48.59 | Edheldil | Lava_Croft: Elop is a good catchy name for someone's gripe with Nokia, bear with that |
| 13:49.05 | Lava_Croft | Sicelo: I have no idea |
| 13:49.07 | totalizator | DocScrutinizer05: and I can really appreciate it as on N900 I can have things like working mouse cursor working without any problems and many other useful stuff |
| 13:49.08 | Lava_Croft | Time will tell |
| 13:49.14 | Lava_Croft | i know for sure the N9 and Harmattan wouldnt have saved Nokia |
| 13:49.18 | Edheldil | even if the problem is more complex and not entirely his fault |
| 13:49.27 | Sicelo | he's been there at least 1.5 years now |
| 13:49.27 | Lava_Croft | I love my N9, but its in no way a real competitor for the iPhone, for example |
| 13:49.34 | kerio | Lava_Croft: well |
| 13:49.34 | vi_ | or the n900. |
| 13:49.38 | kerio | does it have angry birds? |
| 13:49.39 | Lava_Croft | we are not talking about pleasing nerds here |
| 13:49.45 | Lava_Croft | but pleasing the masses |
| 13:49.51 | Sicelo | lol |
| 13:49.54 | vi_ | the masses voted for hitler. |
| 13:50.02 | Lava_Croft | they also pay your bills, if you are Nokia |
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| 13:50.23 | Sicelo | anyway, i'm talking form POV of the masses.. has he restored their confidence in Nokia? |
| 13:50.32 | Lava_Croft | Like I said, i have no idea |
| 13:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: if N9 is the neutered N900, what's the N950 then? |
| 13:50.47 | Lava_Croft | At least he has a clear route |
| 13:50.50 | Lava_Croft | and a clear goal |
| 13:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | the uber-N900? The gone-mad-N900? |
| 13:50.53 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: an autistic donkey. |
| 13:50.54 | Sicelo | what routhe? |
| 13:50.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a strapon |
| 13:51.00 | Lava_Croft | the route of Windows Phone :| |
| 13:51.06 | Lava_Croft | Mind you, im a die-hard Maemo lover |
| 13:51.19 | vi_ | A hermaphrodite. |
| 13:51.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: or maybe the weird experiment made by the mad scientist |
| 13:51.48 | vi_ | Well I am a die hard functionality lover. |
| 13:51.51 | Edheldil | Lava_Croft: the problem is that the (un)informed geeks are not sure whether his route is benefiting Nokia foremost, or a certain Redmond company |
| 13:52.02 | vi_ | Lack of multitasking==fucking fail. |
| 13:52.09 | Lava_Croft | The geeks are not the ones keeping the company afloat |
| 13:52.15 | Lava_Croft | unless they all buy 500 phones |
| 13:52.19 | Lava_Croft | or more |
| 13:52.30 | vi_ | wtf is a geek? |
| 13:52.32 | kerio | Lava_Croft: the masses buy symbian phones |
| 13:52.38 | Lava_Croft | they dont |
| 13:52.40 | Sicelo | Lava_Croft: i have nothing against the man, but, here in Africa, Nokia died to Samsung as soon as Symbian was pronounced dead |
| 13:52.41 | Lava_Croft | they buy iphones and android phones |
| 13:52.45 | kerio | ok, let me rephrase that |
| 13:52.50 | kerio | the masses buy cheap phones |
| 13:52.53 | Lava_Croft | Sicelo: yes, Elop made a mistake there:) |
| 13:52.58 | Lava_Croft | and not a small one either |
| 13:53.09 | Lava_Croft | I think even the man himself acknowledged this |
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| 13:53.30 | Lava_Croft | but you cannot disagree that at least now Nokia has a clear goal and is actually working hard towards it |
| 13:53.36 | Lava_Croft | i think the problem with most geeks is the MS hate |
| 13:53.39 | Lava_Croft | more than anything else |
| 13:53.47 | Lava_Croft | its MS and therefore its the spawn of the devil |
| 13:53.50 | Lava_Croft | common nerd logic |
| 13:53.55 | Edheldil | it is, btw. |
| 13:53.57 | Lava_Croft | not really |
| 13:54.07 | Lava_Croft | MS is no better or worse than Nokia, Google, Apple or whatever |
| 13:54.12 | Lava_Croft | just another company making money |
| 13:54.21 | ZogG_laptop | it depends |
| 13:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia made still shitloads of money with low-end featurephones, though they moaned about vanishing margins. But to declare Sybian dead was cutting the tree they live on |
| 13:54.35 | ZogG_laptop | some do inovations, some sue others |
| 13:54.49 | Edheldil | well ... I could agree with apple, but nokia used to be better, in my eyes |
| 13:54.49 | Lava_Croft | and MS doesnt innovate? |
| 13:55.10 | ZogG_laptop | it's like we compete and i want to be better, while you just changing judges opinion behind my back |
| 13:55.28 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft, where? |
| 13:55.42 | Lava_Croft | forgot how they single handedly changed the entire console market? |
| 13:55.42 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft, Xerox idea, Dos was bought. |
| 13:55.43 | Lava_Croft | and own it now? |
| 13:55.50 | Sicelo | WP8 supports uSD :P |
| 13:56.04 | jacekowski | WP7 did as well |
| 13:56.19 | Lava_Croft | while MS is not my company of choice, if they really want something, they do have the motivation and deep pockets to get it done |
| 13:56.21 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft, what console market? i have no info on console market at all. |
| 13:56.24 | Lava_Croft | like with the Xbox for example |
| 13:56.28 | Lava_Croft | console, game consoles |
| 13:56.54 | ZogG_laptop | Xbox is better, just coz it easier crackable :P |
| 13:56.55 | Edheldil | they do have the motivation and deep pockets to get it <-- here, amended it for you ;-) |
| 13:57.05 | kerio | s/easier // |
| 13:57.27 | Lava_Croft | life would be better without people living in the 90s and hating on MS |
| 13:57.28 | Lava_Croft | really |
| 13:57.28 | ZogG_laptop | kerio, PS3 is cracked :P |
| 13:57.34 | kerio | not really |
| 13:57.38 | kerio | not in any meaningful way |
| 13:57.44 | ZogG_laptop | kerio, yes it is :P |
| 13:57.49 | Edheldil | PS3 is, xbox360 is not |
| 13:57.52 | kerio | and the x360 is hardly "cracked" |
| 13:57.56 | kerio | it's modchippable |
| 13:58.06 | ZogG_laptop | they do not release it publicly after sony sueing and other reasons |
| 13:58.14 | kerio | the only truly cracked console of this generation is the wii |
| 13:58.19 | kerio | and that's hardly this generation |
| 13:58.25 | ZogG_laptop | wii is not even a console :P |
| 13:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | thank God it's Friday |
| 13:58.34 | ZogG_laptop | it's just a joke :P |
| 13:58.34 | Edheldil | ps3's private keys were lifted from the device |
| 13:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait.... |
| 13:58.46 | Sicelo | lol DocScrutinizer05 :P |
| 13:58.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just start your weekend earlier |
| 13:59.00 | kerio | nobody will notice |
| 13:59.00 | Sicelo | at least i'm at home, Independence day here ;) |
| 13:59.03 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05, what is the coctail of your choice today/ |
| 14:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't usually drink any alcohol, maybe one beer occasionally. Cocktails not really a usual beverage here |
| 14:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway my Friday quote above was related to virtual Friday known on IRC as OT day and usually filled with wild discussions and flamewars about what OS is better or why MS sucks so much |
| 14:03.24 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05, may i correct you |
| 14:03.50 | Edheldil | Lava_Croft: I have read a quote once, which ran st. like "We now think that MS becomes better not because they do, but because the others have became worse" |
| 14:03.58 | ZogG_laptop | it actually is not people saying why MS sucks so much, people do know that. It's just few people trying to explain why it doesn't :P |
| 14:05.17 | Lava_Croft | Edheldil: And? |
| 14:05.27 | ZogG_laptop | i like their mouses |
| 14:05.35 | ZogG_laptop | i use those simple white ones |
| 14:05.38 | Lava_Croft | I'm sorry, but all MS hatred just comes across as childish stupidty to me |
| 14:05.41 | ZogG_laptop | and i have 2 for laptop :P |
| 14:05.56 | Lava_Croft | as if one big company is any better than another big company |
| 14:06.23 | Lava_Croft | MS-haters are just as silly as those Apple-fans |
| 14:06.38 | tadzik | or Apple-haters, for that matter |
| 14:06.40 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft, i don't care when people use MS. i just prefer not to. And i more hate politics and HW/SW companies who sold out to support only one system |
| 14:06.57 | ZogG_laptop | Borat, lol |
| 14:07.01 | tadzik | "sold out", big words |
| 14:07.11 | Lava_Croft | how did anyone sell out here |
| 14:07.15 | tadzik | they're companies. They are aimed at making money above everything else |
| 14:07.24 | tadzik | nothing else matters, it's quite simple |
| 14:07.27 | Lava_Croft | exactly |
| 14:07.41 | Lava_Croft | they are not NGO's or something, living off donations and trying to make the world better |
| 14:07.42 | Edheldil | well, often they were extorted not to sell anything else, were not they? |
| 14:07.45 | Lava_Croft | they are just in it to make money |
| 14:08.03 | ZogG_laptop | tadzik, look, for example when in ministure of education they decided to buy i7 with latest windows for people who barely can use office, i think some people made money on that : |
| 14:08.10 | jon_y | have spoken to the sales droids that work there? :) |
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| 14:08.24 | tadzik | ZogG_laptop: I don't see how that's related |
| 14:08.31 | tadzik | yes, the world is bad, I'm aware |
| 14:08.34 | Lava_Croft | jon_y: at NGO;? hah yes:D |
| 14:08.35 | tadzik | C'est la vie |
| 14:08.40 | Lava_Croft | silly me! :) |
| 14:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: the amount of inspiration, professionality and vision is different though between those big companies |
| 14:08.55 | jon_y | I feel sad today, a broadband sales droid approached me |
| 14:09.06 | tadzik | ZogG_laptop: I have a similar situation in the local gov |
| 14:09.10 | ZogG_laptop | tadzik, it's some people who represent MS and some people who make decision, those two made money(taxes) |
| 14:09.12 | jon_y | he can't answer any technical info |
| 14:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | in that regard MS always just copied and did it even worse than original |
| 14:09.29 | jon_y | the package sounds good on paper |
| 14:09.32 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: the amount of inspiration is probably the same, but the amount of freedom this inspiration recieves from management indeed differs greatly per company |
| 14:09.34 | jon_y | almost too good |
| 14:09.44 | Lava_Croft | and DocScrutinizer05 thats not true:) |
| 14:09.49 | Lava_Croft | i can point out the silly Xbox again:) |
| 14:10.05 | Lava_Croft | also, while Windows may be copied, Windows7 is actually the best mainstream desktop OS there is |
| 14:10.09 | Lava_Croft | i cant really help it |
| 14:10.14 | tadzik | C# |
| 14:10.16 | tadzik | ducks |
| 14:10.21 | Edheldil | tadzik: here the govt purchases were so bribed, that finally they start to arrest them, after 20 or so years |
| 14:10.23 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft, i prefer linux here :P |
| 14:10.29 | Lava_Croft | Linux is not an OS |
| 14:10.31 | Edheldil | not enough, though |
| 14:10.33 | Lava_Croft | nor a mainstream desktop OS |
| 14:10.34 | tadzik | Edheldil: arrest whom? |
| 14:10.36 | jon_y | tadzik: javascript :) |
| 14:10.50 | tadzik | jon_y: no, I meant a Microsoft invention that's actually not bad :) |
| 14:10.58 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft, mainstream? you mean popular? and why it's not an OS? |
| 14:11.02 | tadzik | or at least some folks I know say so |
| 14:11.03 | Lava_Croft | its a kernel |
| 14:11.06 | jon_y | yes yes, I've been told Java is cool and can be used to write low level drivers |
| 14:11.11 | jon_y | not sure if its true |
| 14:11.16 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft, Gnu/Linux |
| 14:11.16 | tadzik | I mean people I respect |
| 14:11.33 | tadzik | oh, cut off this GNU/Blah, please |
| 14:11.34 | Lava_Croft | and i didnt mention popular, i mentioned mainstream |
| 14:11.40 | ZogG_laptop | ubuntu (which i don't like) is getting more popular everyday |
| 14:11.49 | Lava_Croft | tadzik: the mobile space made the GNU/Linux usage actually more important than ever |
| 14:11.56 | jon_y | I thought mint over took ubuntu? |
| 14:11.57 | Lava_Croft | because Android lovers might think they run the same Linux as our N9 |
| 14:12.16 | jon_y | heh, I can feel the scorn |
| 14:12.20 | tadzik | I meant the GNU/ prefix in naming |
| 14:12.26 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft, meh, i hate all those GNU/linux vs Linux corrections :) |
| 14:12.27 | Lava_Croft | yes, as do i:) |
| 14:12.39 | Lava_Croft | hey, it never really made any sense until android came along:) |
| 14:12.47 | tadzik | oh, I see the point :) |
| 14:12.56 | ZogG_laptop | ok back to project |
| 14:13.11 | tadzik | so whenever somebody blindly s/Linux/GNU\/Linux/ you can throw android in his face |
| 14:13.17 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 14:13.32 | jon_y | GNU/GNU/Linux |
| 14:13.35 | Lava_Croft | or when some Android nerd says he loves his Linux phone, you throw whatever GNU/Linux at him! |
| 14:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | android is not even linux |
| 14:13.55 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05 wakes up |
| 14:13.57 | Lava_Croft | bravo |
| 14:14.04 | jon_y | actually, I do tell my android loving friends that too |
| 14:14.14 | jon_y | android isn't GNU enough |
| 14:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-06 15:48:30] <DocScrutinizer05> HARM is as much maemo as Android is linux |
| 14:14.28 | jon_y | not GNU/Linux at all |
| 14:15.03 | jon_y | no glibc in android afaik |
| 14:15.05 | Edheldil | Depends on your definition of Linux, I think. But it's probably as much Linux as MacOS X is FreeBSD :) |
| 14:15.10 | jon_y | or ulibc |
| 14:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I said linux though, NOT gnu/linux |
| 14:15.57 | tadzik | isn't the GNU/ prefix just about Stallman being sad that nobody gives him credit? |
| 14:16.02 | tadzik | seriously |
| 14:16.09 | Edheldil | no |
| 14:16.12 | jon_y | tadzik: no |
| 14:16.38 | jon_y | it refers to the userland+kernelland combo that you normally expect a Linux system to have |
| 14:16.38 | Edheldil | you know, some people do agree with him |
| 14:16.45 | tadzik | I don't think GNU userland is the point of that OS |
| 14:16.56 | tadzik | you can have GNU userland everywhere, it's the kernel that makes it different |
| 14:17.19 | jon_y | right, it refers to the combo |
| 14:17.35 | Edheldil | I personally do not care that much, but I prefer Debian ecosystem to RedHat's |
| 14:17.35 | tadzik | I probably wouldn't notice having anything different under the hood |
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| 14:18.03 | tadzik | or maybe I will, for /bin/true wouldn't be several kilobytes anymore |
| 14:18.20 | jon_y | have you used BSD userland? it's not GNU :) |
| 14:18.27 | tadzik | I did, when I was running BSD |
| 14:18.35 | tadzik | and that's part of my point. It doesn't really matter |
| 14:18.38 | tadzik | but, we digress |
| 14:18.46 | jon_y | it matters if you rely on GNU features |
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| 14:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | digress? lol |
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| 14:19.31 | Lava_Croft | a proper GNU userland is the only reason i ever cared about Maemo |
| 14:19.50 | jon_y | very much true for me too |
| 14:19.53 | Lava_Croft | or as proper as you can get |
| 14:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: good point, indeed |
| 14:20.10 | Lava_Croft | i dont care what kernel it runs |
| 14:20.19 | Lava_Croft | as long as I have have access to much the same tools as on my desktop computer |
| 14:20.24 | kerio | well, not having /proc sucks |
| 14:20.31 | kerio | but that's just a matter of familiarity |
| 14:20.32 | Sicelo | if i never came across n900, i most likely would never have used linux. |
| 14:20.33 | jon_y | I do care about the kernel though, so I can mess about with it |
| 14:20.52 | jon_y | can't mess with iOS kernel |
| 14:20.59 | Lava_Croft | cant mess with iOS in general |
| 14:21.00 | jon_y | nor winmo kernel |
| 14:21.05 | kerio | jon_y: that's a bootloader problem though |
| 14:21.07 | Lava_Croft | except jailbreak, err HACK it |
| 14:21.10 | kerio | darwin *is* opensource |
| 14:21.25 | kerio | and it's not a bad kernel |
| 14:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | if I hadn't used linux for years, I probably never had a look at Openmoko phones and thus never came to maemo |
| 14:21.31 | kerio | i mean, every modern mac runs it |
| 14:21.45 | Lava_Croft | I looked at openmoko and laughed, so i was happy Maemo came along |
| 14:21.52 | jacekowski | but it's just kernel |
| 14:22.14 | jacekowski | and besides, it's not exactly open source anymore |
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| 14:22.27 | jacekowski | apple has not released anything for few years now |
| 14:22.34 | kerio | jacekowski: really? :( |
| 14:22.45 | kerio | meh, i could've guessed it wouldn't last |
| 14:22.52 | Lava_Croft | Why would Apple even continue that |
| 14:22.55 | jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) |
| 14:23.02 | jon_y | I'm guessing Darwin isn't GPL |
| 14:23.03 | jacekowski | Latest unstable release10.0.0d8 (April 24, 2009) [±] |
| 14:23.14 | jacekowski | it was developed by apple |
| 14:23.26 | jacekowski | on their own licence |
| 14:23.33 | jacekowski | and well, they've decided to close it |
| 14:23.38 | jon_y | too bad |
| 14:24.03 | Sicelo | jacekowski: the radio-bcm2048 code on your site is up to date? |
| 14:25.04 | jacekowski | kinda |
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| 14:25.57 | Sicelo | kewl. i'd like to compile it for Nemo's kernel (to use with Debian though) |
| 14:27.05 | Sicelo | although i don't have a good idea how to do that yet |
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| 14:30.53 | jacekowski | Sicelo: well, i've done mods to binaries |
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| 14:38.03 | Timmy | i have kernel power 50 on my device. can i install CSSU thumb? |
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| 14:38.26 | Timmy | kuz it explained it needs kernel power 51 |
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| 14:39.09 | Sicelo | Timmy: iirc that has its own kernel |
| 14:40.25 | Timmy | pardon me? |
| 14:40.46 | kerio | Timmy: it installs its own kernel, but if you want to stay with kernel-power you should install kp51r1 |
| 14:40.49 | kerio | it's in extras-devel |
| 14:41.08 | kerio | kernel-cssu is effectively the same, but packaged in a different way |
| 14:41.16 | kerio | i'd use KP51 |
| 14:41.17 | Timmy | ah,right |
| 14:41.46 | kerio | the dependency is met by kernel-power-flasher 51r1 and by kernel-cssu |
| 14:42.01 | Lava_Croft | haha, what |
| 14:42.02 | Lava_Croft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu3SchQ6zvM |
| 14:42.03 | kerio | (the -thumb package require kernel-feature-<number>-errata) |
| 14:42.09 | Lava_Croft | talk about nice 'hack' |
| 14:42.38 | kerio | graphite is a decent conductor |
| 14:42.40 | kerio | isn't it? |
| 14:43.39 | Sicelo | jacekowski: thanks for info. i still have some learning to do |
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| 14:51.04 | Timmy | im installing cssu thumb and it's telling me that i need to use pc suite on pc, what is this???? i don't understand, what's pc suite? |
| 14:51.34 | tadzik | \ |
| 14:52.05 | kerio | Timmy: there's a conflict somewhere |
| 14:52.20 | kerio | Timmy: did you install kernel-power 51r1? |
| 14:52.54 | Timmy | no, you said it will install its own kernel |
| 14:53.12 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.25 | kerio | Timmy: that's probably the conflict |
| 14:53.32 | kerio | just upgrade kernel-power, seriously |
| 14:54.10 | Timmy | ok, do i need to upgrade kernel-power-settings too? |
| 14:54.39 | kerio | sure, why not |
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| 14:54.57 | kerio | how do people stand not having the stuff correctly upgraded? |
| 14:54.57 | kerio | :s |
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| 15:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: bwahahaha |
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| 15:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart HAM "use PC suite mode" msg |
| 15:24.46 | infobot | tries to shut HAM "use PC suite mode" msg up |
| 15:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | epic obfuscated error msg, worse than most windoze msgs |
| 15:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Conflict! either solve manually, or reflash (e.g. using PCsuite)" muuuuuch better |
| 15:27.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 15:33.57 | kerio | indeed |
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| 15:49.43 | Timmy | i was installing cssu but installation was unsuccessful.now i am going to install it again, but can't find the cssu enabler icon in the menu, where can i find it or how can i run it to install cssu? |
| 15:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Timmy: how can cssu installation be unsuccessful? |
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| 15:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | we actually never heard of an unsucessful CSSU install, when all advices from http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation were obeyed |
| 15:54.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "use PC suite mode" |
| 15:54.09 | kerio | and he's talking about -thumb |
| 15:54.12 | kerio | freemangordon: *poke* |
| 15:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 15:54.25 | kerio | Timmy: cssu-thumb is not cssu |
| 15:54.43 | Timmy | well, i was going to install cssu thumb but didn't know kernel power 51 is needed for that, so due the installation (in the beginnig) i had canceled and installed KP51 |
| 15:54.43 | kerio | Timmy: ask freemangordon for help |
| 15:54.53 | kerio | it's not *needed*, it's just better |
| 15:55.47 | Timmy | anyway, i cant find the icon in the menu to install that |
| 15:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no sane way to roll back a aborted install. You need full reflash and start from scratch |
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| 15:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't listen to kerio and the weird hackish tips he'll come up with in a second, you will make matters worse for you since you lose completely any teack of what's going on on your device |
| 15:57.29 | kerio | i suggested nothing |
| 15:57.44 | kerio | although apt-get upgrading could fix it |
| 15:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | track* |
| 15:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, yeah |
| 15:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 15:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya |
| 15:58.14 | Timmy | :'( |
| 15:58.18 | kerio | c: |
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| 15:58.27 | kerio | Timmy: do you have anything important on your n900? |
| 15:58.33 | Timmy | no |
| 15:58.35 | kerio | and did you make a backup with backupmenu? |
| 15:58.47 | Timmy | there is nothin on my phone |
| 15:58.58 | Timmy | but i hate to reflash |
| 15:59.34 | Timmy | i prefer to run a broken maemo but not to reflash |
| 15:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | we recently renamed that to "tickle the pony" so no matter to hate it anymore ;-P |
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| 16:01.10 | kerio | tickle the pony? |
| 16:01.11 | kerio | really? |
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| 16:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you should go tickle your pony, then install backup menu, do backup, install cssu-t, do anohter BM-backup, then follow instructions about cssu-testing-thumb if that's what you *really* wanna do |
| 16:01.56 | kerio | yeah, i'd install cssu-testing and make sure it works before installing cssu-thumb |
| 16:02.42 | Timmy | hehehe |
| 16:02.45 | Timmy | lol |
| 16:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to admit I completely lost track of all this weird cssu-(testing|thumb|kernel|whatnot) mess |
| 16:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure thumb is not ready for end users, esp regarding support in installation and maintenance |
| 16:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need some advanced knowledge about apt and dpkg and how repos work and that kinda stuff |
| 16:04.35 | vi_ | thumb is great |
| 16:04.42 | vi_ | DEAL WITH IT. |
| 16:05.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: actually, fmg claims that all you need to do is tap a .install link |
| 16:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? SMT also is great, still I don't suggest users should solder their own RAM extension |
| 16:05.25 | kerio | SMT? |
| 16:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | surface mount technology |
| 16:05.39 | Timmy | i've been a debian user for a long while but maemo is totally weird! |
| 16:05.42 | kerio | oic |
| 16:05.54 | kerio | Timmy: nah, it's only moderately silly |
| 16:05.54 | vi_ | If you cannot do your own 0603 you are a fag. |
| 16:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 16:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~buzzfix |
| 16:06.23 | infobot | i heard buzzfix is http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html ff. |
| 16:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | those friggin 0603 tend to disolve into air whenever you drop them on any -even clean and smooth - surface |
| 16:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | they simply vanish |
| 16:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | there must be special micro-wormholes for 0603 |
| 16:08.26 | vi_ | Thats because they exist mainly at the quantum level. |
| 16:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:08.41 | vi_ | Their 3d extension into our physical space is extremely unstable. |
| 16:08.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | never worked with 0201 though |
| 16:09.14 | SpeedEvil | there is a mad guy over on ##electronics who's used them. |
| 16:09.24 | SpeedEvil | 01005 |
| 16:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | heard they literally disolve on PCB over time |
| 16:09.34 | vi_ | You could probably breathe one and not even notice. |
| 16:09.55 | SpeedEvil | he's also trying to setup a garage CMOS process. |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 16:10.13 | SpeedEvil | and make his own softcore FPGA laptop |
| 16:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 16:10.29 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: bullshit |
| 16:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | he's clearly doing all that just for fame |
| 16:10.38 | vi_ | no one is that unhinged. |
| 16:10.51 | SpeedEvil | oddly enough, he does seem to be. |
| 16:10.59 | vi_ | wait... |
| 16:11.07 | vi_ | a softcore FPGA laptop would suck. |
| 16:11.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | donkey balls |
| 16:11.33 | SpeedEvil | it's not for performance. |
| 16:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp when made on "homebrew chips" |
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| 16:11.57 | SpeedEvil | wacky provable security. TCP/IP in firmware |
| 16:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* |
| 16:12.16 | vi_ | I wrote an SHA1 digest core in VHDL for my dissertation. |
| 16:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice |
| 16:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know the yiled of professional chip fabs on first few 1000 samples |
| 16:13.09 | vi_ | I had wild dreams of compromising WPA |
| 16:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yield* |
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| 16:13.30 | SpeedEvil | it's a toy non serious process. |
| 16:13.39 | vi_ | THen I discovered somone had already done it, better faster and bigger than I could even imagine. |
| 16:14.20 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: http://nsa.unaligned.org/ |
| 16:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they got floor 'carpet' there that's more expensive per square meter than what you could probably afford to cram into a garage, as amateur |
| 16:14.24 | SpeedEvil | http://code.google.com/p/homecmos/ |
| 16:14.37 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: read that guys website. |
| 16:14.50 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: You will spunk thick ropes of engineering jizz. |
| 16:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be surprised if he made it to build a working CD40001 type quad gate |
| 16:16.15 | SpeedEvil | he seems capable. |
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| 16:16.39 | SpeedEvil | it's. a hell of a lot of work to get to even a 50um process |
| 16:17.00 | SpeedEvil | especially trying to avoid nasty reagents. |
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| 16:18.02 | Woody14619 | ping chem|st |
| 16:20.35 | Woody14619 | doah... never mind... Looks like it was already taken care of. ;) Thanks! |
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| 16:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya folks |
| 16:28.54 | Timmy | kerio: just found out what to do, but again i see it's telling me about pc studio issue |
| 16:29.06 | Timmy | i have installed KP51 |
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| 16:34.14 | kerio | maybe that's the problem |
| 16:34.15 | kerio | idk |
| 16:34.36 | kerio | what does the log say? |
| 16:34.54 | kerio | there are a couple of configuration options you can set to make HAM tell you more about the problems |
| 16:35.36 | Timmy | im installing that through apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:38.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-P |
| 16:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the probelm with maemo is nothing works as you might expect. e.g. apt-get upgrade usually breaks your system |
| 16:40.25 | kerio | does not |
| 16:40.28 | kerio | >:c |
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| 16:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, up to you to make Timmy hop another dozen loops and confuse him until finally.... whatever, but not we're talking him out of that mess then |
| 16:42.40 | kerio | Timmy: i'd say restore the backup, don't install kernel-power, and install cssu-testing |
| 16:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | he really said he got a BM backup? missed that |
| 16:46.02 | kerio | i hope he does, we told him to |
| 16:46.06 | kerio | *to get one |
| 16:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems he doesn't like to listen to what we tell him |
| 16:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | since - you know - he used debian since ages |
| 16:47.31 | kerio | to be fair community-ssu-updater is a kludge |
| 16:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | bullshit |
| 16:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's not even such a thing like community-ssu-updater |
| 16:48.11 | kerio | er |
| 16:48.16 | kerio | community-ssu-installer |
| 16:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | improve it if you're so smart |
| 16:48.53 | kerio | i didn't say i had a better way of doing that kind of stuff |
| 16:48.56 | kerio | in fact, i don't think there is |
| 16:48.58 | kerio | because nokia |
| 16:49.06 | kerio | but a necessary evil is still evil |
| 16:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think the instructions @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation are pretty fine |
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| 17:00.42 | Timmy | hello again, i was not here, so it seems that cssu hasbeen installed, let's see what happens after a reboot |
| 17:00.46 | Timmy | brb |
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| 17:04.39 | Timmy | im back |
| 17:04.54 | Timmy | seems nothin has been broken |
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| 17:10.44 | Timmy | it has installed everything execpt maemo 5 CSSU package(thumb) |
| 17:10.57 | Timmy | and still cant install that through ham |
| 17:14.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, HAM will tell you WHY it refuses to install anything |
| 17:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | would me mad useful to have a look at "problems" tab in HAM, and maybe even pstebin the log to be found in dropdown menu of HAM |
| 17:19.00 | Timmy | dude, there is no useful info in the log |
| 17:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and in problems tab? |
| 17:23.13 | Timmy | there's no such thing here |
| 17:24.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | if HAM claims there are problems and you should use OVI suite, there's usually a problems tab (most right hand one of three tabs, under 'details' for the package to install) |
| 17:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there isn't (I dunno if that ever happens) then you simply might be short on free storage. HAM has some checks for available free storage size |
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| 17:31.20 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619, ping |
| 17:31.23 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: that was a nice hack, eh? :) |
| 17:31.29 | Lava_Croft | It made me smile widely |
| 17:34.28 | merlin1991 | just keep in mind, the problems tab appears 1 dialog prior the pc suite msg |
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| 17:35.48 | merlin1991 | and you have to wait a bit for it to show up in the tabs |
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| 17:51.50 | RST38h | yawns, twice |
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| 17:54.11 | Timmy | yeppiee, i have installed that through fap,just added its repository in fap and upgraded all |
| 17:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | x.x |
| 17:55.32 | Timmy | what? |
| 17:55.35 | RST38h | Doc: Have you see the latest example of how well Nokia adopts MS corporate culture? |
| 17:55.53 | Timmy | is it wrong? |
| 17:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, what? |
| 17:56.28 | RST38h | Doc: Well,for starters they installed a regular camera in their newest Lumia and called it PureView (MS rule #1: LIE!) |
| 17:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 17:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly due to the "better efficiency of sensor" |
| 17:57.22 | RST38h | Doc: Then they shot a promotional video for the above camera, as if it were done with the camera itself (including comparisons). As it turns out the video was shot with professional equipment (comparisons included) |
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| 17:57.33 | RST38h | Doc: (MS rule #2: LIE MORE!) |
| 17:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah again, seen that |
| 17:58.14 | RST38h | and yeah, the stock is down again, right when they announced win8 handset |
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| 17:59.22 | kerio | is that part of the MS corporate culture too? |
| 17:59.31 | kerio | i mean, they're definetely used to, but... |
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| 18:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: which hack do you refer to? |
| 18:18.44 | qwazix | anybody knows if the timeout for the lights on after powerbutton press (i.e. bring up the lockscreen) is configurable? |
| 18:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? sorry, which lights? |
| 18:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you mean the time until lockscreen dims? |
| 18:20.30 | qwazix | Your N900 is locked. You press the pwrbtn. Light's up. $t secs pass. lights turn off again |
| 18:20.41 | qwazix | I'm looking to extend $t |
| 18:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure where to tweak that |
| 18:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe hardcoded to lockscreen |
| 18:21.57 | qwazix | hm, possibly... I'look around see what I can do |
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| 18:23.01 | qwazix | thanks |
| 18:24.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the weird thing: there's a fast timeout when you do nothing, and a way longer timeout but still a timeout when you constantly create touch evens that don't unlock the lockscreen via slider though |
| 18:25.52 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: unbricking that samsung device |
| 18:26.01 | Lava_Croft | using mcguyver tech |
| 18:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, that one. The homemade resistor |
| 18:26.20 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 18:26.31 | Lava_Croft | it still needed nokia tech tho |
| 18:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: nothing related I could spot in mce.ini either |
| 18:31.03 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, i found a hacky way to do it. Simulate powerbutton presses every 3 seconds :) |
| 18:31.33 | qwazix | not sure if it will work though, trying now |
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| 18:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /|grep timeout also doen't show anything |
| 18:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's hardcoded to lockscreen |
| 18:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (something I never really looked into, since lockscreen for me is exclusively used to watch the time) |
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| 18:55.16 | kerio | would qtlockscreen be configurable in that regard? |
| 18:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 19:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know what lockscreen 'binary' will get called by whom in which way |
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| 19:06.15 | piggz | whats involved in porting an app from n9 to n900? are the qml components (qt-components-10) near enough compatible? |
| 19:06.38 | piggz | i cant even remember how to use my n900 vm build system! |
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| 19:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: I'd think it's /usr/bin/systemui that somehow does lockscreen |
| 19:34.39 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05, thanks, is that opensource? |
| 19:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, just found the process of that name being active |
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| 19:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /usr/lib/systemui/ |
| 19:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe libsystemuiplugin_devlock.so |
| 19:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or libsystemuiplugin_splashscreen.so |
| 19:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | or libsystemuiplugin_tklock.so |
| 19:37.59 | qwazix_ | tklock I know is closed unfortunately... |
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| 19:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-05.log.html#t2011-07-05T13:42:49 |
| 19:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-05.log.html#t2011-07-05T13:19:31 |
| 19:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems MohammadAG worked on something |
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| 19:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: ^^^ |
| 19:51.15 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05, checking it out |
| 19:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: ping |
| 19:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: didn't you mess around with lockscreen once? |
| 19:54.06 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05, idk if you have seen timenow, now with some help from nicolai I managed to make the N900 show the lockscreen when you pull it out of pocket |
| 19:54.46 | qwazix_ | I'd prefer if it could stay on for a little longer and have a lower backlight. |
| 19:55.10 | qwazix_ | Anyway it's much better than before with the framebuffer and text2screen |
| 19:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry no, never heard of timenow |
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| 20:12.07 | qwazix_ | let's see if TKLOCK_ENABLE_VISUAL exists in maemo... |
| 20:15.40 | qwazix_ | perfect! it exists! No more faked powerbutton presses :) |
| 20:17.09 | qwazix_ | Now I can call that in a loop in qt and extend the time. |
| 20:17.45 | qwazix_ | Thank you, DocScrutinizer05!! |
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| 20:25.16 | kerio | what's TKLOCK_ENABLE_VISUAL? |
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| 20:44.03 | AndroUser2 | hello? |
| 20:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hello! |
| 20:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | why ? ? |
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| 23:32.59 | jacekowski | i really have to say that i like wp8 and nokia a lot more than yesterday |
| 23:33.12 | jacekowski | tbh. i think i'll go with lumia as my next phone |
| 23:38.47 | SpeedEvil | why? |
| 23:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:39.02 | GeneralAntilles | Trollolol |
| 23:40.54 | M4rtinK | that ad was EPIC |
| 23:41.05 | M4rtinK | well, EPIC FAIL :) |
| 23:42.07 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: because it's not java |
| 23:42.09 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's c# |
| 23:42.12 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's from nokia |
| 23:42.47 | jacekowski | and well, wp8 doesn't really have anything missing |
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| 23:44.44 | jacekowski | + touschcreen that according to some people works with pens fingers gloves nails |
| 23:44.45 | jacekowski | and everything |
| 23:44.49 | SpeedEvil | :-\ |
| 23:45.06 | jacekowski | if that's true, then it may be a real replacement for resistive screens |
| 23:45.11 | SpeedEvil | it's a shame we're reduced to least bad |
| 23:45.20 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 23:45.47 | jacekowski | well, it's harder to scratch glass |
| 23:45.58 | jacekowski | and that is fairly important feature |
| 23:46.06 | jacekowski | and resistive on glass is not really an option |
| 23:48.14 | SpeedEvil | I want saw. |
| 23:48.32 | jacekowski | i don't think it's ready |
| 23:49.54 | jacekowski | and talking about other phone OSes |
| 23:50.10 | jacekowski | android on high end phone is pretty fast and everything |
| 23:50.32 | jacekowski | though application wise, there isn't much of usefull apps |
| 23:50.47 | jacekowski | if you filter all the crap out there is not much left |
| 23:52.37 | jacekowski | it's going to sound like ad again |
| 23:52.45 | jacekowski | but i think android is a downgrade from win ce |
| 23:52.55 | jacekowski | or from maemo |
| 23:53.56 | jacekowski | and lack of hw keyboard in modern phones brings them close to useless anyways |
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| 23:55.34 | jacekowski | 0. |
| 23:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks he will get a used communicator for next phone - - - after using up the 5 N900 |
| 23:58.34 | nox- | does that jolla will use aegis too? |
| 23:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | call me silly and childish, but I did a holy promise to never again support MS by puschasing any of their stuff or (generally) anything needing their stuff, due to the hard times and baldy head they gave me |
| 23:58.52 | nox- | does that mean... |
| 23:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | nox-, we don't know. |
| 23:59.06 | nox- | ok |
| 23:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | stskeeps said that no |
| 23:59.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda |
| 23:59.26 | nox- | one can only hope... |
| 23:59.26 | jacekowski | jolla? |
| 23:59.35 | jacekowski | what's jolla |
| 23:59.35 | GeneralAntilles | jacekowski, have you been living under a rock? |
| 23:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently yes. |
| 23:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jollajollajolla |
| 23:59.50 | jacekowski | link |
| 23:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
