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| 00:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | rzr: 0.8A should still be enough to not moan about "insufficient power" |
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| 00:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless the 'charger' is missing D+/- short which will cause sane obedient Nokia devices to reduce charge current to 100mA |
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| 00:47.05 | SpeedEvil | or too long wire |
| 00:47.10 | SpeedEvil | or thin |
| 00:47.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, hardly |
| 00:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think down to 3.9V it won't complain |
| 00:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | means 1.1V have to get lost on thin wire |
| 00:48.02 | SpeedEvil | I've seen very bad cables |
| 00:48.03 | nox- | why 100mA and not 500? |
| 00:48.11 | SpeedEvil | I should measure them |
| 00:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 100 is "free for everybody" |
| 00:48.22 | nox- | mh |
| 00:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | 500 is max usb ENUM may negotiate |
| 00:49.06 | nox- | and even if it got that it will only charge with 100? |
| 00:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | D+/- short extends that to <virtually unlimited> |
| 00:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: chargers have no CPU to negotiate anything via ENUM |
| 00:50.01 | nox- | :/ |
| 00:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | so any PC is better for charhing than a wallcharger missing D+/- short |
| 00:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | charging* |
| 00:50.59 | nox- | ah so it works with 500 on a pc? |
| 00:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:51.08 | nox- | ah ok |
| 00:51.32 | nox- | then it makes sense |
| 00:51.39 | nox- | :) |
| 01:02.06 | rzr | D+/- of the usb socket ? |
| 01:02.30 | rzr | its a diy charger i'll double check thx for the tip |
| 01:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | rZr: yes, usb. green and white in cable |
| 01:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | middle two contacts on 4-pin USB |
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| 01:08.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | (you may get away with shorting them by tin-foil. But beware: I ruined a plug that way) |
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| 01:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you use ShadowJK's charge21.sh script which gives no flying fart about D+/- short |
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| 01:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (at least according to recent investigation results. if it doesn't work, you may want to adapt the 0x80 or 0x10 value of status this script checks for) |
| 01:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | see chanlog, last 3 or so days |
| 01:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | search for charge21 |
| 01:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | just ponders to 'sell' smart charger script (via OVI, whatever), that allows user to set max USB current, monitors USB voltage, tries auto-adjust, and delivers proper meaningful logs. And of course works with any kind of charger, no matter if D+/- short or not |
| 01:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you think I could ask for $1.59 for that? |
| 01:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you think so, I might ship that fancy in 3 days |
| 01:36.41 | r00t|home | no getting rich with n900 apps, not enough lusers |
| 01:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm happy with being able to buy enough beer and bagles |
| 01:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually #maemo ruins my professional carreer since it eats too much time and brainpower |
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| 01:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | every 2nd morinig I'm late at work since something here (or #maemo-ssu) needs my attention |
| 01:44.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | estel didn't help X-P |
| 01:44.18 | r00t|home | no good... |
| 01:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I'm sure the 250 users of #maemo won't send me 4 EUR / monzh for chanop and answering whatever, I'm hoping for jolla |
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| 01:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or for OVI and some users willing to pay for an universal charger app |
| 02:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but not even receiving enough to not pay for maemo.cloud-7.de server, is indeed a bit annoying |
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| 02:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a friggin 20EUR/month I *pay* to keep community alive and provide whatever you find on that server |
| 02:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I'm sure nobody else makes a living with maemo support, so I probaly just should STFU and be happy with the interest this incredible piece of hw and OS still is seeing. 250 chan users isn't bad at all |
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| 07:37.34 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer05: regarding theloss of phone functions: I have tried running 'pnatd' during such a loss and it does not output anything anymore - when ok, it was able to respond to AT or AT+CFUN?. So - does it mean it's a rapuyama problem? |
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| 07:38.36 | Macer | yours died like mine huh? |
| 07:38.45 | Macer | i had the same problem with my n900 |
| 07:38.54 | Macer | although i don't use it as a phone on the cell network anymore.. but it did the same |
| 07:38.58 | Macer | sheds a tear |
| 07:39.29 | ZogG_laptop | at least it works |
| 07:41.09 | Macer | i suppose |
| 07:41.19 | Macer | but to use it outside wifi range i have to tether it to my lumia 900 heh |
| 07:41.22 | Macer | that's just redundant |
| 07:41.38 | Macer | i look like a guy with a mistress phone |
| 07:41.49 | ZogG_laptop | Macer, that's why it died |
| 07:41.49 | Macer | or a dope dealer |
| 07:41.55 | Macer | ? |
| 07:41.58 | ZogG_laptop | it got AIDS from Lumia hooker |
| 07:42.10 | Macer | it started pre lumia ;) |
| 07:42.19 | ZogG_laptop | pre lumia? |
| 07:42.21 | Macer | so it really got aids from nokia :-P |
| 07:42.35 | ZogG_laptop | i got confused |
| 07:42.38 | Macer | my other one did too |
| 07:42.44 | Macer | the penis fell off :-P |
| 07:42.49 | ZogG_laptop | :( |
| 07:43.19 | Macer | n900 is not known for its build quality as far as its modem dying and the usb ports falling off |
| 07:43.28 | Macer | lumia 900 is just an n9 with wp on it isn't it? |
| 07:44.09 | Macer | i was being scolded here because i said the lumia isn't that bad at all :) |
| 07:44.11 | Macer | hides |
| 07:45.31 | Vibe | it's bad, cos wp isn't not open source.. |
| 07:45.32 | Vibe | -not |
| 07:45.38 | Gh0sty | no its not |
| 07:45.45 | Gh0sty | it uses another Soc and so on |
| 07:46.02 | Gh0sty | nokia is loosing money over it in stead of gaining if they would have sold the n9 |
| 07:46.27 | Macer | are they? |
| 07:46.40 | Macer | well.. i guess that's true considering att pretty much paid me to buy it |
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| 07:46.50 | Macer | they gave me $200 for a $99 phone |
| 07:47.02 | Macer | i guess they make it up with their overpriced service but still :) |
| 07:48.35 | Macer | but honestly... wp7 is not bad at all |
| 07:49.14 | Macer | and i'm willing to bet the sdk for it and win8 is probably light years ahead of the garbage that was released for maemo |
| 07:49.32 | Macer | albiet the OS is closed but at least the dev tools are all there and updated |
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| 07:50.48 | ZogG_laptop | did you see new lumia preview? they make microsd as feature now :P |
| 07:52.29 | Macer | meh. apple has done without an sd forever and they're doing fine |
| 07:52.41 | Macer | they just charge you $100 for an extra 8G and 16G :) |
| 07:52.43 | Macer | genius |
| 07:53.17 | Macer | either way... if the new lumia has win8 i might get it... although i'd love to have a win8 phone with a qwerty |
| 07:53.24 | Macer | if nokia makes one with a qwerty i'm sold :) |
| 07:53.47 | Macer | the ms win8 tablet also looks amazing .. i think it's the mini ultra thin smart cover keyboard |
| 07:53.52 | Macer | and kickstand |
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| 07:56.20 | ZogG_laptop | Macer, yeah keyboard for what? kbd is nie for terminal and editors, not for sms :P for sms virual keyboard is just fine |
| 07:57.27 | Macer | i'd still rather have a qwerty for sms ;) |
| 07:57.36 | Macer | the vkb takes up too much screen real estate |
| 07:57.49 | ZogG_laptop | it's all about UI |
| 07:57.54 | Macer | using ssh with the vkb is a pain as well |
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| 07:58.10 | Macer | ZogG_laptop: i dunno about that. you need the vkb to be at least a decent size for fingers |
| 07:58.19 | Macer | and a phone screen is usually small enough as it is |
| 07:58.24 | ZogG_laptop | and i saw how people use swype... as well i liked bb10 predictable keyboard :P |
| 07:59.04 | ZogG_laptop | Macer, it's okay for me, i use n9 as phone on daily bases and it's good enuf for twitter/sms/wazapp :P |
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| 08:01.03 | Macer | lol. so is the lumia 900 |
| 08:01.09 | Macer | the vkb orks ok for those things i suppose |
| 08:01.16 | Macer | but the qwerty would be great for ssh |
| 08:01.37 | Macer | also. i'm hoping win8 on mobile devices doesn't do the same windows mobile murdering of background apps |
| 08:01.44 | Macer | which made its way to wp7 |
| 08:01.54 | Macer | it runs like an iphone where nothing is allowed to keep running in the background |
| 08:01.59 | Macer | probably the one major advantage the n9 has |
| 08:03.04 | ZogG_laptop | Macer, do you have bsod screen ? |
| 08:03.45 | edheldil | Macer: have your modem died at once and for all? My phone works after a reboot, but all of a sudden (usually while I carry in my pocket) it started to disconnect the SIM and report "communication problem" |
| 08:05.44 | edheldil | Macer: I would like if I (user) could configure which apps get hibernated when minimized and which do not. THAT would be the best, IMO |
| 08:07.51 | Macer | edheldil: yes |
| 08:07.53 | Macer | same problem |
| 08:08.22 | Macer | edheldil: i honestly don't have an n9 and have never used a meego device so i couldn't say |
| 08:08.37 | Macer | i just know that the n9 works similar to maemo in how it manages background vs battery life |
| 08:08.45 | Macer | plus meego has xterm :) |
| 08:08.48 | Macer | win |
| 08:09.32 | edheldil | same = works after a reboot for a while? |
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| 08:11.03 | Macer | not too long |
| 08:11.09 | Macer | usually stops once the modem starts being accessed |
| 08:11.40 | Macer | it isn't a pin problem. i kindly bent them upwards. the piece of paper wedged behind the battery worked for a bit |
| 08:11.46 | Macer | but then it finally gave out altogether |
| 08:12.00 | Macer | known problem tho. just like the flimsy usb ports |
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| 08:12.56 | derpmode | where does hdrcapture store its pictures? |
| 08:12.59 | edheldil | sigh ... |
| 08:13.12 | derpmode | fuck, I hope I didn't lose that shot |
| 08:13.29 | derpmode | Maybe I'm just not hardcore enough anymore to deal with an 'opensource' phone everyday |
| 08:13.33 | kerio | Macer: which hw rev is this? |
| 08:13.48 | Macer | hm. not sure. i don't have it on me now |
| 08:15.23 | Macer | it was a made in finland version tho if that helps |
| 08:16.01 | derpmode | don't they all say that? |
| 08:16.03 | kerio | it really doesn't |
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| 08:16.14 | Macer | derpmode: no. most are made in korea |
| 08:16.38 | derpmode | "Designed in finland"? |
| 08:16.41 | Macer | kerio: well i'll be home in about 3 or so hours. i'll let you know if it's around |
| 08:16.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you can have my unconditional love to help you may for maemo.cloud-7.de! |
| 08:16.47 | Macer | derpmode: no. made in ;) |
| 08:16.49 | derpmode | I have 3 that says "designed in finland" |
| 08:16.49 | Macer | on the inside sticker |
| 08:16.54 | kerio | s/may/pay/ |
| 08:17.03 | Macer | they all say "designed in" |
| 08:17.25 | derpmode | so any ideas where hdrcapture stores its pictures? |
| 08:17.37 | kerio | derpmode: rtfm |
| 08:17.39 | Macer | cloud-7.de ? |
| 08:17.40 | kerio | >:D |
| 08:17.52 | derpmode | which manual? |
| 08:18.06 | kerio | hdrcapture's |
| 08:19.11 | derpmode | looking for it.. |
| 08:20.36 | derpmode | http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1631&faq=36 kerio any idea where to find it? |
| 08:21.50 | Macer | isn't there like a setting to set where it stores? |
| 08:22.05 | derpmode | nope |
| 08:22.12 | derpmode | it's shit software like most n900 apps |
| 08:22.20 | derpmode | I just want to find the location of my beloved photo |
| 08:24.15 | kerio | somewhere in MyDocs probably |
| 08:24.21 | derpmode | looked |
| 08:24.37 | kerio | hdrcapture is basically a less flexible fcam with hdr |
| 08:24.49 | derpmode | i didn't know about fcam at the time |
| 08:25.12 | kerio | same dudes |
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| 08:25.33 | kerio | hdrcapture and lowlight are specialized versions of fcamera that do weirder shit |
| 08:27.07 | edheldil | derpmode: might be also your expansion card |
| 08:27.45 | derpmode | edheldil: looked. Any idea how to find it? |
| 08:27.49 | derpmode | I hope it isn't somewhere in / |
| 08:28.48 | derpmode | or even worse, didn't get stored |
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| 08:32.38 | edheldil | no, I do not use it, but I vaguely remember finding lowlight's pics on the extension card (though ... half of my pictures is there as well, without apparent rhyme or reason). |
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| 08:32.58 | edheldil | Do not forget to switch on 'view hidden files' |
| 08:34.08 | derpmode | yeaha, what a mess. hidded files is on |
| 08:34.34 | noch | I use this source on Fremantle http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API#Complete_example |
| 08:34.50 | noch | and it exits in one or two seconds |
| 08:35.09 | noch | it holds a second during g_main_loop_run(loop); |
| 08:35.27 | noch | and then does g_object_unref and exits |
| 08:35.39 | noch | may it be that I have some strange settings on a device? |
| 08:35.54 | noch | however gpsrecorder and fourcircle work well |
| 08:36.15 | noch | it tries to turn GPS on |
| 08:36.26 | noch | the satellite appears and starts to blink |
| 08:36.46 | noch | and then disappears, and the program exits |
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| 08:52.05 | kerio | derpmode: huh... DCIM/HDR* |
| 08:55.36 | kerio | not sure about lowlight, but hdrcapture saves there |
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| 08:58.14 | jacekowski | http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/09/02/heres-samsung-flew-bloggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/ |
| 08:58.28 | jacekowski | nokia saves tge day |
| 08:58.37 | jacekowski | the* |
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| 09:10.11 | derpmode | kerio: fuck, folder doesn't exist. I guess that means those pictures didn't get saved! |
| 09:11.26 | kerio | ...what? |
| 09:11.28 | kerio | DCIM exists |
| 09:11.35 | kerio | it's called "camera" or something, in the file browser |
| 09:11.49 | kerio | hell, you could just open the app |
| 09:12.18 | derpmode | open up the app and...? |
| 09:12.26 | derpmode | DCIM exists, subfolder HDR doesn't |
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| 09:12.32 | kerio | i mean, the photo app |
| 09:12.38 | kerio | and no, the photos are called HDRsomething |
| 09:20.45 | derpmode | don't see em' |
| 09:23.03 | derpmode | yep, definitely not in there kerio |
| 09:23.11 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 09:23.13 | derpmode | I guess this is what I get for not having an iPhone like everyone else |
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| 09:43.39 | derpmode | whose around? |
| 09:44.30 | rZr | _o/ |
| 09:44.48 | derpmode | rZr: if you got a fresh n900 how would you set it up? |
| 09:44.56 | derpmode | 1) reflash |
| 09:44.57 | derpmode | then...? |
| 09:47.13 | rZr | then install stuff ? |
| 09:47.28 | derpmode | no repartition or anything? |
| 09:47.40 | derpmode | no custom stuff I wanna do first? |
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| 09:55.20 | noch | anybody knows the answer to the liblocation question above? |
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| 11:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | derpmode: |
| 11:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | see |
| 11:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 11:00.55 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 11:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | might have some minor (advanced) suggestions regarding setup. |
| 11:02.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | obvious suggestions are: get backupmenu, consider immediate switching to cssu-stable |
| 11:02.35 | derpmode | think I have that |
| 11:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 11:03.00 | infobot | i guess backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 11:03.01 | derpmode | any idea how ot find the pictures HDR Capture supposedly saved? |
| 11:03.08 | kerio | derpmode: some people repartition the emmc to have more space for home/opt and less for mydocs |
| 11:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 11:03.09 | infobot | from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 11:03.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, never used HDR |
| 11:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't there be some selector to pick location where to store pictures? at least toggle between uSD and MyDocs? like in any decent photo app |
| 11:04.59 | derpmode | I guess it didn't store my photos! |
| 11:05.10 | derpmode | There isn't one. I checked all the obvious locations manually |
| 11:05.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hdrcapture is just a tiny proof-of-concept to showcase the fcam API |
| 11:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 11:05.36 | kerio | it does make some cute pictures, though |
| 11:05.51 | kerio | derpmode: did you wait for the processing? |
| 11:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no clue about FQN to any such picture? |
| 11:06.18 | kerio | DCIM/HDRsomething |
| 11:06.22 | kerio | .jpg |
| 11:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's no *Full* Qualified Name |
| 11:07.30 | derpmode | kerio: yeah, and then I pushed back. And in the Help it says pushing back "saves" them |
| 11:07.35 | kerio | /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/HDR_*.jpg |
| 11:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | something like /home/user/MyDocs/.images/HDR_2012_09_02_1428.foo is |
| 11:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-) |
| 11:07.51 | kerio | no, it uses DCIM |
| 11:07.55 | kerio | i just checked |
| 11:07.56 | derpmode | I will check one last time! |
| 11:08.04 | derpmode | but really, I don't see them in there |
| 11:08.09 | kerio | lowlight uses .images |
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| 11:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | derpmode: oooh, and by all means get cpu load applet, to have an idea when something's going on on your device |
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| 11:12.18 | kerio | oh, and lowlight appears to use an ungodly amount of ram |
| 11:12.24 | kerio | like, 87mb |
| 11:12.28 | kerio | so don't use it |
| 11:22.19 | ShadowJK | well it would use lots |
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| 11:23.47 | kerio | to process *one* image? |
| 11:23.48 | kerio | oh hell no |
| 11:24.02 | ShadowJK | since it takes two pictures and tries to build shape from one and colour from other or similar :) |
| 11:24.36 | M4rtinK | looks like the autobuilder is down - anyone knows whats wrong ? |
| 11:24.41 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: ping |
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| 11:47.56 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer05: does pnatd displaying nothing on AT command mean that it's rapuyama at fault, or can it still be a bad SIM contact? |
| 11:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's clearly rapuyama or the OMAP serial hw interface being down then |
| 11:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB there's a way for OMAP to power down rapuyama afaik |
| 11:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so modem being non-responsive doesn't mean is must be broken |
| 11:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. in airplane mode I might figure it wouldn't be powered (haven't checked that though) |
| 11:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | edheldil: anyway a broken sim contact shouldn't affect AT interface |
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| 11:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, even in offline mode modem/pnatd answers AT with OK |
| 11:53.12 | edheldil | thank you. Strange that it appears when the phone is in pocket - temperature or mechanical stress related, perhaps |
| 11:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably |
| 11:54.07 | edheldil | oh well ... time to get a new second hand one :( |
| 11:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | checking syslog should show anything modem related when something fails (there are modem reboots known when modem locks up) |
| 11:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a cmt watchdog afaik, that will try to reboot the modem when it doesn't behave. This should show up in syslog |
| 11:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | try "*#06#" in dialer! |
| 11:56.49 | edheldil | I will look the next time it happens. One or twice pnatd wrote something about endpoint, but I haven't copied down the message |
| 11:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | should show your IMEI. If it doesn't I'd say you got a serious hw problem. If it does I couldn't promise your modem is ok though |
| 11:57.29 | edheldil | dialer is that app for dialing *# codes, right? |
| 11:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I assume you did a full reflash already, to rule out any sw related obscure problems |
| 11:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | dialer is that app where you dial numbers and call people |
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| 11:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:59.58 | edheldil | ah :). No, not reflash YET :/ |
| 11:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | for user pnatd trows error "pipe endpoint allocation: operation not permitted" |
| 12:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need root for onatd |
| 12:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd even |
| 12:00.31 | edheldil | well, could have been a case of missing root privs during a previous invocation |
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| 12:12.51 | kerio | edheldil: what's your hw rev? |
| 12:12.59 | kerio | it's written in /proc/component_version |
| 12:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/component_version|grep hw-build |
| 12:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, now i'm doing it as well :-S |
| 12:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep hw-build /proc/component_version |
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| 12:36.46 | edheldil | kerio: 2204 |
| 12:37.00 | edheldil | typical? |
| 12:38.37 | edheldil | < /proc/component_version grep hw-build :) |
| 12:39.16 | kerio | idk |
| 12:39.29 | kerio | but it's different than mine |
| 12:39.32 | kerio | so i'm happy about that c: |
| 12:41.43 | edheldil | heh |
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| 13:18.43 | fredddiiii | Is it possible to use Google Docs with my CSSU stable up-to-date Maemo device to synchronise documents |
| 13:18.56 | fredddiiii | Like how for example I am syncing my calendar and contacts list with Google Sync? |
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| 13:24.32 | Arkenoi | No |
| 13:24.47 | Arkenoi | (and if you successfully sync contacts you are extremely lucky) |
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| 13:27.17 | Sicelo | about to try Nemo ;) |
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| 13:51.01 | fredddiiii | Being able to use Exchange with Google Sync requires you to grab liburl3 from extras-devel. I am prepared to do this, but is this a clean way? And will libcurl3 properly keep updating (eventually)? |
| 13:51.45 | freemangordon | fredddiiii: yep, next CSSU-testing will contain updated libcurl3 |
| 13:51.58 | fredddiiii | So eventually that libcurl3 will make it into stable? |
| 13:52.05 | fredddiiii | And the grabbed version will update? |
| 13:52.07 | fredddiiii | Properly? |
| 13:52.14 | fredddiiii | Or will dependencies break or something? |
| 13:52.15 | freemangordon | I hope it will out by the end of the week |
| 13:52.25 | freemangordon | don't see a reason why not |
| 13:52.30 | fredddiiii | Just trying to make sure. |
| 13:52.45 | fredddiiii | So I will not end up with out-dated, dependency broken possible security risk prone packages. |
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| 13:52.49 | fredddiiii | Because I try to fix something. =( |
| 13:53.23 | fredddiiii | freemangordon, any ETA on when that updated libcurl3 might make it into stable? |
| 13:53.55 | freemangordon | fredddiiii: hard to say, maybe in a month after being in -testing, that is the usual testing period |
| 13:54.38 | fredddiiii | I think I will grab it from extras-devel then, if there is not any possible risk of grabbing it from that repository, and disabling that repository again afterwards. |
| 13:57.06 | freemangordon | fredddiiii: as long a you don't apt-get upgrade you should be safe :D |
| 13:57.27 | fredddiiii | Ok. |
| 14:00.20 | Sicelo | i can report that i find new Nemo ok on my N900. just a tad slow, but that's likely because i have a shite Class 4 sd card |
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| 14:24.59 | kerio | Sicelo: class means jack shit |
| 14:25.10 | kerio | what matters, for that kind of purpose, is random read/write |
| 14:25.13 | kerio | not sequential |
| 14:25.51 | Sicelo | well, everything is donkey slow, and i don't think it's Nemo |
| 14:27.16 | kerio | oh absolutely |
| 14:27.23 | kerio | but the class of your uSD is not the problem |
| 14:27.32 | kerio | its non-being-a-Sandiskness could be |
| 14:28.42 | jon_y | is sandisk special? |
| 14:29.24 | kerio | sandisk is the shit |
| 14:29.37 | kerio | as opposed to... huh, pretty much every other manufacturer |
| 14:29.40 | kerio | which is just shit |
| 14:29.57 | jon_y | I use that for my GPS, because it is teh $6 |
| 14:30.11 | jon_y | well, $5 something |
| 14:30.21 | jon_y | 4GB |
| 14:30.34 | jon_y | I will get other brands for my phone from now on |
| 14:31.37 | kerio | mind you |
| 14:32.00 | kerio | a sandisk class 4 is really good for random read/writes |
| 14:32.49 | kerio | for other uses, you probably want a different card |
| 14:33.53 | Sicelo | well, my nemo has issues with dtmf tones and such :P |
| 14:33.58 | jon_y | not sure if GPS is random R/W |
| 14:34.50 | kerio | eh, could actually be |
| 14:34.58 | kerio | there's not much sequential data in maps, i suppose |
| 14:35.05 | kerio | i mean, you'd have to be lucky to hit that :) |
| 14:35.11 | kerio | but then again, it probably doesn't matter |
| 14:38.58 | kerio | sequential writes matter *a lot* for digital cameras |
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| 14:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh recaller you bastard! :-( |
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| 14:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | when this shitty thing tells hildon to show a notifier "recaller: recording since nn:nn:nn" every 30s, and then FORGETS TO REVOKE this instruction :-((( |
| 15:00.52 | kerio | i stopped using recaller when i noticed that the automatic recording didn't always stop |
| 15:02.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just pretends, often |
| 15:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually recaller stopped recording, 16h ago |
| 15:02.53 | kerio | meh, it's not like it was exactly legal anyway |
| 15:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 15:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 15:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're not recording your calls, are you? X-P |
| 15:03.55 | kerio | oh no, it is |
| 15:03.56 | kerio | neat |
| 15:04.28 | kerio | when you're talking to someone on the phone, you have to accept the risk that the other one is recording the conversation |
| 15:04.59 | kerio | it makes sense, really |
| 15:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | recaller completely freaks out when destination for audio files is not writable for any reason (full, nonexistent, whatever) |
| 15:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | however yesterday (16h ago) I recoded via microphone, manually. And I stopped recording manually |
| 15:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and obviously since then it pesters me with this notification |
| 15:06.50 | kerio | lol |
| 15:06.57 | kerio | killall -9 recaller |
| 15:07.14 | kerio | besides, it does weird shit with audio routes anyway |
| 15:08.49 | Woody14619 | I like having recaller running. Sometimes I'll make an appointment, record it, but miss something important (like where it's at). Being able to re-play a conversation is nice. |
| 15:08.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, it doesn't record |
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| 15:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I found out what happened (I think) |
| 15:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4096M 04. Sep 05:36 Rec_20120904_021320-053628.wav |
| 15:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot to stop it correctly |
| 15:09.38 | kerio | hahaha |
| 15:09.40 | kerio | neat |
| 15:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually it hit 4GB barrier and stopped recording but failed to stop the notifier |
| 15:09.56 | Woody14619 | And FYI: recording conversations and it's legality is highly based on local laws. Even then, the legality is usually more a question of not if it's "legal", but if said recording can be used in legal procedings. :) |
| 15:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 15:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, what I stated above: recaller completely freaks out when destination for audio files is not writable for any reason (full, nonexistent, whatever) |
| 15:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's consistently missing to reset the notifier when stopping recording due to write error on file |
| 15:12.13 | Woody14619 | Yeah.. I turned that off ages ago. Don't need notifications anyway. |
| 15:12.34 | Woody14619 | Though it can be annoying on the off times when it forgets to stop recording when you hang up. ;) |
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| 15:14.11 | vi_ | 0/ |
| 15:14.13 | vi_ | o/ |
| 15:14.27 | vi_ | ^is that a picture of a man waving? |
| 15:14.48 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: also, why are you using wav and not aac? |
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| 15:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | mmpf |
| 15:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, what I stated above: recaller completely freaks out when destination for audio files is not writable for any reason (full, nonexistent, whatever) |
| 15:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's consistently missing to reset the notifier when stopping recording due to write error on file |
| 15:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I got NFC how to convince hildon-notification-daemon to stop that shit now |
| 15:15.34 | Woody14619 | Interesting cssu logs btw. Lol. 3 kicks by 2 people in under an hour? LOL. Not undeserved... But then... |
| 15:15.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: killall recaller |
| 15:15.48 | Woody14619 | killall recaller should do it Doc. |
| 15:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 15:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 15:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think so |
| 15:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's not even a process recaller |
| 15:16.46 | Woody14619 | Is it all dbus-script based now? |
| 15:16.52 | merlin1991 | Woody14619: 3 kicks? |
| 15:16.56 | merlin1991 | I only remember 1 |
| 15:17.09 | Woody14619 | Doc booted him twice before you arrived. |
| 15:17.22 | merlin1991 | oh :D |
| 15:17.34 | vi_ | Woody14619: who? |
| 15:17.42 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: recaller is a python script. |
| 15:17.59 | Woody14619 | vi_: Who's the only person to merrit being booted here in the past 3 years? |
| 15:18.08 | vi_ | -_- |
| 15:18.36 | kerio | vi_: who lives in a pineapple under the sea? |
| 15:19.29 | Woody14619 | vi_: That's like asking "Who's that fat man, in the red outfit, at the mall in December?" |
| 15:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I'm just too numb |
| 15:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no python process on my device? |
| 15:20.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ps ax | grep py |
| 15:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | -> grep py |
| 15:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW nuttin |
| 15:21.38 | vi_ | I just do not understand why he behaves in such an antagonising fashion. |
| 15:21.43 | Woody14619 | It's a desktop plugin, so it may be hiding. |
| 15:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ps aux|grep pyth |
| 15:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | root 17339 0.0 0.3 4108 752 pts/0 S+ 17:19 0:00 grep pyth |
| 15:21.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: remove it from the home screen |
| 15:21.58 | vi_ | It goes against 10000 years of human evolution. |
| 15:21.58 | Woody14619 | vi_: becuse he has no other method of operation. |
| 15:22.18 | Woody14619 | doc: try doing a kill/reset of hildon-desktop. |
| 15:22.24 | kerio | hildon-home you mean |
| 15:22.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: good point |
| 15:22.50 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I am afraid... |
| 15:22.57 | Woody14619 | well, it lives in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/recaller.py |
| 15:23.00 | vi_ | you are going to have to lose your uptime... |
| 15:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: yeah |
| 15:23.47 | Woody14619 | it also has a sevice file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.tomch.recaller.service |
| 15:24.26 | Woody14619 | Though I susspect that wold be more for catching call start/stop notices. |
| 15:24.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 15:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.09 | kerio | don't do it man |
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| 15:25.18 | kerio | DON'T DO IT |
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| 15:27.36 | Woody14619 | Frankly, said kicked person has been taking to spreading lies as truth lately. (Like Council is disbanding itself and/or elevating itself to be a Board, with not community input, etc). |
| 15:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the fsck! killall hildon-desktop; killall hildon-home ## now recaller icon vanished from my homescreen |
| 15:28.36 | kerio | that's good! |
| 15:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure that's good |
| 15:29.11 | Woody14619 | Not the first or last time he'll repeatedly "misunderstand" things to meet his own flat-earth view of the world. |
| 15:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: :nod: |
| 15:29.34 | Woody14619 | doc: Had the same issue once with it... just re-add the widget. |
| 15:29.47 | kerio | Woody14619: it's not flat-earth, we're beyond flat earth |
| 15:29.49 | kerio | it's time cube |
| 15:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll do something rogue first: reboot |
| 15:30.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: DON'T YOU DARE |
| 15:30.05 | kerio | >:C |
| 15:30.06 | Woody14619 | I suspect it means that hildon-* noticed it was hosed and didn't re-load it this time. |
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| 15:30.28 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: you do not kill'em in the first place! |
| 15:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:30.42 | kerio | seriously though, don't reboot :( |
| 15:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 15:30.50 | kerio | you can't lose your uptime! |
| 15:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, this one has a pretty shitty uptime right now |
| 15:31.10 | kerio | ah |
| 15:31.15 | kerio | ...why didn't you reboot earlier then? |
| 15:31.17 | Woody14619 | uptime is for naught if it's up and not doing what you want. |
| 15:31.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.26 | kerio | Woody14619: uptime is for uptime challenges |
| 15:32.02 | Woody14619 | uptime, for the sake of up-time is somewhat silly in my book. |
| 15:32.02 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: and something like hildon-desktop/xxx.py will not get a home on my device |
| 15:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 15:32.32 | kerio | Woody14619: but doc has a n900 with like 180 days of uptime! |
| 15:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can see your rationale |
| 15:32.35 | vi_ | I once swapped a PCI card on a live debian system just to keep my uptime. |
| 15:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime |
| 15:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you use it? |
| 15:33.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no sim |
| 15:33.25 | kerio | or is it just sitting there, collecting dust and time? |
| 15:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's my reference and devel-device |
| 15:33.58 | Woody14619 | I see uptime as a stability thing. Before I reboot a device (non-windows) I generally look at it's uptime to see how long it was up. It mean's it's gone that long without me needing to nurse it. |
| 15:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | see debate about camera-ui in other chan |
| 15:34.19 | kerio | which PR is it? |
| 15:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, 1.3? |
| 15:34.50 | kerio | 1.3.1 i hope :) |
| 15:34.54 | Woody14619 | Devel devices, and things with regular/needed/wanted updates are different, IMHO. ;) |
| 15:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not |
| 15:35.51 | chem|st | vi_: do that with a windows server^^ |
| 15:36.05 | Woody14619 | Sigh... and now I have to go read a ton of mail. Why do people work days I have off? Any why do they always seem to need me only on those days? |
| 15:37.42 | kerio | hm, does MfE work fine with google contacts if you upgrade libcurl? |
| 15:38.02 | vi_ | mfe works for no man. |
| 15:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, the recaller icon got permanently nuked off my screen |
| 15:38.17 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Just re-add the widget ffs. |
| 15:38.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, ffs |
| 15:38.27 | vi_ | It will appear in EXACTLY the same spot as before. |
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| 15:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | just wonders what's going on there |
| 15:38.49 | vi_ | If you kill hildon-home, sometimes all your widgets will disappear. |
| 15:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | but *why* |
| 15:39.07 | vi_ | Just add them 1 at a time, they will go to their appropriate place. |
| 15:39.18 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I do not know. |
| 15:39.36 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: The gconf info referring to the widget screen+x+y location is still there. |
| 15:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird shit |
| 15:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | some self-healing facility in HD? |
| 15:40.07 | vi_ | It is like a small part of gconf/hildon config gets reset to defaults. |
| 15:40.51 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: yes 'self healing' or 'shit coding' as scientists are now calling it. |
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| 15:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, re-added and dropped into place like you said |
| 15:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | now nuking that 4GB .wav shit |
| 15:43.57 | kerio | hey, MfE actually works |
| 15:43.57 | kerio | neat |
| 15:44.04 | kerio | hm, maybe not |
| 15:45.46 | ShadowJK | it's probably part of some "widget is crashing h-d: disabled widgets" logic |
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| 15:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: obviously |
| 15:47.34 | Woody14619 | My question is, how have you gone this long without knowing that? :) |
| 15:47.39 | kerio | haha |
| 15:47.49 | vi_ | Woody14619: because he never reboots, duh. |
| 15:48.12 | kerio | Woody14619: because <DocScrutinizer05> 17:43:32 up 157 days, 18:39, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 15:48.21 | Woody14619 | I figured that out in the first month of owning my N900, because the PR1.0 facebook widget (and notifier, and the e-mail widget, all from Nokia) would crash the desktop and wind up in that state. ;) |
| 15:48.29 | kerio | hehehe |
| 15:48.44 | kerio | anyway, MfE still doesn't work, sadly :c |
| 15:48.54 | kerio | which means that i have to keep my computer working |
| 15:48.55 | Woody14619 | I even filed a bug on it! ;) |
| 15:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe I knew about it, but forgot since I never ran into it last 18 months or so |
| 15:49.10 | Woody14619 | In what way does MfE not work? (On N9 or N900?) |
| 15:49.18 | Woody14619 | doc: true. :) |
| 15:49.41 | Woody14619 | kerio: It works on my N900, but then we have a rather simple setup here. |
| 15:50.01 | kerio | what do you use it for? |
| 15:50.18 | kerio | also, i specifically meant wrt google sync |
| 15:51.48 | Woody14619 | Ah... I heard Google turned that off on their side. (eg, specifically broke it to not work). I talk to a real Exchange 2008 server our IT group here at work insists we all use. |
| 15:52.22 | vi_ | mfe barely works with itself. |
| 15:53.58 | freemangordon | we have a problem with mfe and it is called libcurl3 |
| 15:54.50 | vi_ | I have a problem with mfe in that MSFT can suck my nuts. |
| 15:55.32 | ShadowJK | kerio; is this about needing to upgrade libcurl from -devel? |
| 15:55.45 | ShadowJK | i vaguely recall someone doing that to get mfe-google working |
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| 16:25.32 | tadzik | hello |
| 16:26.07 | tadzik | not really maemo related, but anyone experienced with n900 fixing/disassembling? My flex cable seems to be in an imperfect condition, to say at least: http://i.imgur.com/8xw67.jpg |
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| 16:32.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: *EE poke* |
| 16:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 16:32.51 | kerio | tadzik's problem |
| 16:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, hard to really tell from that picture |
| 16:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | if FPC is actually broken or messed up, you need complete swap |
| 16:34.14 | tadzik | FPC == flex cable? |
| 16:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:34.44 | tadzik | I dismantled the thing because the screen didn't work most of the time when I used the slider |
| 16:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | flexible printed circuit, flex plastic cable, flex plastic connector, whaever |
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| 16:34.54 | tadzik | it took a few seconds of sliding/unsliding to make it show up |
| 16:34.59 | tadzik | I see |
| 16:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not only the "cable" but actually the complete "mainboard" of screen half |
| 16:35.33 | tadzik | uh |
| 16:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | with front-cam, ALS, earpiece, whatnot else |
| 16:36.23 | vi_ | test EAX,EAX compares registers EAX with EAX? |
| 16:36.25 | vi_ | WTF? |
| 16:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/flex-ribbon/nokia/n900.html |
| 16:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | HTH |
| 16:38.50 | fizzie | vi_: Common way to set flags (usually the zero flag) according to what's in eax, at least. As in, "call foo; test eax, eax; jz bar" for "if (foo() == 0) goto bar;" |
| 16:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | no "thanks"? :-/ |
| 16:39.14 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, I'll look around for it. Generally it's something home-replacable, given a lot of care and steady hands? |
| 16:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, definitely |
| 16:39.34 | tadzik | great. Thank you |
| 16:44.45 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: one more thing, do you know if there's anything particularly tricky with putting the screen back with the keyboard? It keeps popping of |
| 16:45.09 | tadzik | and all the videos I see cover dissasembly, not assembly |
| 16:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, nothing particularly tricky known, except maybe the latches at/under kbd-frame |
| 16:45.59 | tadzik | so just press it until it clicks? |
| 16:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the most tricky part for sure is plugging FPC to mainboard |
| 16:46.19 | tadzik | I managed to do that, yes |
| 16:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's nothing that clicks |
| 16:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | upper half with slide mech should fall into place easily |
| 16:47.58 | tadzik | there seems to be a metal thing that supposedly goes below the keyboard near the letters ERT |
| 16:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | check location center upper end of kbd |
| 16:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is some latch |
| 16:48.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, exactly |
| 16:48.49 | tadzik | so the trick is to somehow slide it under? |
| 16:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that might be a tad tricky and need a little(!) force to snap into place |
| 16:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 16:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may push and bend a tiny bit, in the end it will fit |
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| 16:56.47 | tadzik | ha, it was way easier after unsliding it |
| 16:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure :-D |
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| 16:59.39 | tadzik | so _that_ was the trick :P |
| 16:59.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | also loosening the kbd frame (2 pcs torx-screw) helps a lot |
| 16:59.54 | tadzik | I thought it's back there, but when I slid it open it appeared to be over the keys :) |
| 17:00.06 | tadzik | huh. It know works _a lot_ better |
| 17:00.18 | tadzik | for now, surely, but it's at least on in both positions |
| 17:00.27 | tadzik | just blinks once in the middle of the way |
| 17:00.31 | tadzik | thanks a lot DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 17:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: yep, he found me :-D |
| 17:01.27 | Sicelo | :P |
| 17:02.04 | tadzik | :) |
| 17:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | regarding getting spare, the offer at http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/flex-ribbon/nokia/n900.html sounds surprisingly reasonably priced |
| 17:03.11 | tadzik | it might be tricky to ship it to Poland |
| 17:03.48 | tadzik | uh, well, I think I broke the physical lock-unlock switch |
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| 17:04.15 | tadzik | like, I need to press screen and keyboard together and then it works |
| 17:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | eew |
| 17:05.29 | tadzik | I'd rather not screw the screws to tightly, I don't have any spare ones |
| 17:05.41 | tadzik | okay, a little tighter was enough |
| 17:05.55 | tadzik | sorry for spamming :) |
| 17:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they break, then spare ones are your least problem |
| 17:06.34 | tadzik | unless they get their thread become a nice, round circle |
| 17:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | however you shouldn't be too careful and gentle on tightening them, |
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| 17:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as it seems to 'move' something, you want to tighten them further |
| 17:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might find the torque suggested for those, but I'd just say consider it was a wooden match you don't want to break |
| 17:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or: trun the screwdriver between thumb and index digit |
| 17:09.38 | tadzik | I now find it hard to resist the urge to slide it back and forth to see if it's working better, I'll better leave it alone as much as possible until my cable gets there |
| 17:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't apply more than moderate force with this "gesture" |
| 17:09.48 | tadzik | right |
| 17:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | by no means turn the screwdriver "from your wrist" |
| 17:11.18 | tadzik | haha, it's far too small for that |
| 17:11.39 | tadzik | it's about the size of the n900 stylus |
| 17:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just turn it by sliding your thumb and index fingertips against it |
| 17:12.27 | tadzik | yeah, it seems to be okay now |
| 17:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | this way you can't apply too much force |
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| 18:07.58 | joga | hmm http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/04/unreleased-nokia-lauta-qwerty-slider-emerges/ |
| 18:08.22 | freemangordon | yeah, fuck elop |
| 18:08.34 | tadzik | ha |
| 18:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Jolla will end up interesting places |
| 18:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | The whole market is due for some disruption |
| 18:10.02 | tadzik | yeah, I was thinking today what would I buy if my n900 was actually beyond recovery. Not wanting Android nor iPhone the only thing coming to my head was "another n9(00)" |
| 18:10.07 | tadzik | ENOTENOUGHCHOICES |
| 18:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | Android fanboys are the worst. |
| 18:10.45 | tadzik | fanboys are generally nothing good |
| 18:10.51 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 18:11.08 | GeneralAntilles | tadzik, indeed. |
| 18:11.27 | freemangordon | GeneralAntilles: though I think it is too little too late for Jolla. I hope I am wrong |
| 18:12.03 | tadzik | I'm awaiting a day when companies will sell phones without OSes, like you can buy a computer without OS |
| 18:12.16 | tadzik | wondering if I'll see that in the next 50 years ;) |
| 18:12.18 | GeneralAntilles | But the unique delusions about the definitions of open source and Linux that infest Android fanboys are particularly infuriating. |
| 18:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | freemangordon, well, given we have no clear idea of what it is Jolla is bringing to market, it's a little early to be deciding. ;) |
| 18:12.49 | tadzik | oh, you mean the "but I'm using an open platform"? |
| 18:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | tadzik, I have no desire for that. |
| 18:13.01 | GeneralAntilles | "Android is Open Source." |
| 18:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | "Android is Linux." |
| 18:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | No and No. |
| 18:13.08 | freemangordon | hehe, which remembers me the conversation I had with a friend of mine a couple of days ago |
| 18:13.26 | freemangordon | "but, but, I have Linux on my phone" |
| 18:13.44 | freemangordon | some HTC or Sammie, can't remember |
| 18:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | The saddest part is all of the talented people who have been sucked into it. |
| 18:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | Supporting a platform that doesn't support open source or Linux. |
| 18:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: (phone without OS) my suggestion since at least 2 years: deliver new hw with (additional) board-support-package, so community can easily port whatever (linux) OS they like |
| 18:18.41 | freemangordon | GeneralAntilles: sure. but it is profitable :) |
| 18:20.25 | Lava_Croft | Android is iOS minus the ease of use |
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| 18:25.10 | Sicelo | android guys would skin you alive Lava_Croft!! iOS is child's play according to them |
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| 18:27.09 | Sicelo | someone (last week) was adamant that Maemo has no better multitasking than android. |
| 18:27.53 | tadzik | tbh, I don't know how much multitasking android has |
| 18:28.01 | tadzik | I just know that running 16 apps made them go "woo" |
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| 18:31.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: well, that's true. comparing quality of a certain property in two things is nonsense when one of the things is completely missing that property |
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| 18:40.37 | Lava_Croft | android has half-multitasking |
| 18:40.44 | Lava_Croft | but its a bitch to even switch between or close tasks |
| 18:41.10 | Lava_Croft | it reminds me of N8 symbian^3 multitasking |
| 18:41.14 | Lava_Croft | cumbersome |
| 18:41.46 | Lava_Croft | you have a special button for running tasks, but to even switch between or close a task you have to open this menu |
| 18:42.04 | Lava_Croft | closing a running app, in my experience, comes down to minimizing it and then opening the list of open apps |
| 18:42.10 | Lava_Croft | the app doesnt show up if its the current app |
| 18:42.22 | Lava_Croft | its all very wtf to someone whose first 'smartphone' experience was Maemo5 |
| 18:42.52 | Lava_Croft | or to anyone who has used windows or linux in the past 15+ years |
| 18:43.21 | Lava_Croft | its a clear-cut case of typical android stuff |
| 18:43.29 | Lava_Croft | someone went "oh shit! we forgot this" |
| 18:43.32 | Lava_Croft | and then they hacked it in |
| 18:43.55 | Lava_Croft | not too strange if you consider android's roots |
| 18:45.18 | kerio | Lava_Croft: well, it's the same thing as iphone multitasking |
| 18:45.42 | Lava_Croft | no its not exactly |
| 18:45.44 | kerio | to close, you have to background, enter the task list, hold on the application until shit starts jiggling, and then tap close |
| 18:45.53 | Lava_Croft | iphone has no multitasking at all |
| 18:45.56 | kerio | and the current app doesn't appear in the task list |
| 18:46.00 | Lava_Croft | its just a list of recently used apps |
| 18:46.01 | kerio | whatever, it has backgrounding |
| 18:46.05 | Lava_Croft | (that nobody ever uses) |
| 18:46.12 | Lava_Croft | android's multitasking is different |
| 18:46.30 | kerio | iphone backgrounding actually exists |
| 18:46.47 | kerio | you've got the notification system and all sorts of shit to reduce as much as possible the load on the system |
| 18:46.53 | kerio | it's all *fucking dumb*, mind you |
| 18:47.04 | kerio | but it works-ish |
| 18:47.45 | Lava_Croft | its different from android's multitasking |
| 18:47.52 | Lava_Croft | we have both iphone and nexus7 here |
| 18:48.11 | Lava_Croft | iphone has way more limited 'multitasking' |
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| 18:55.14 | timeless | hello world |
| 18:55.25 | timeless | anyone here happen to deal in global roaming? |
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| 18:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd say there's no such thing like reasonable global raoming |
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| 19:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe with thuraya and the like |
| 19:02.26 | jacekowski | iridium |
| 19:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Aufgrund von bilateralen Roamingabkommen mit über 300 GSM-Netzbetreibern können Thuraya Handys auch mit üblichen GSM SIM-Karten verwendet werden.<< |
| 19:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | errrr |
| 19:03.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the handy can be used with mormal SIM cards??? |
| 19:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I missread, I thought the thuraya SIM (and handy) can roam to 300 networks |
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| 19:09.18 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: the best i found was O2 |
| 19:09.30 | timeless | i seems to give me unlimited (?) global roaming for 80 USD |
| 19:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | O2 indeed has quite a number of roaming partners |
| 19:09.48 | timeless | (original number was 50 GBP, but i need to think in USD) |
| 19:10.10 | timeless | my general assumption is that a major carrier will have sufficient roaming partners |
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| 19:10.28 | timeless | if it doesn't, its terrible reputation should precede itself |
| 19:10.37 | timeless | so, i'm not particularly worried on that |
| 19:10.40 | timeless | just the basics: |
| 19:11.09 | timeless | how much data? how reasonable is the fee for the data? how reasonable is the fee for international roaming? |
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| 19:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got O2 prepaid and I never would dare to use data when roaming. |
| 19:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | there've been poor lusers who got a 5 digit bill after their holiday |
| 19:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously most of them had contracts, asking for €€€€€ on prepaid is kinda pointless, though occasionally they do that as well |
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| 19:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | recently EU comission introduced a regulation/law to limit roaming fees to a somewhat reasonable level in Europe |
| 19:22.29 | tadzik | yeah, it's even below 1€ per megabyte for me :) |
| 19:22.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | great! |
| 19:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | could easily be ten times as much |
| 19:23.40 | tadzik | it used to be, methinks |
| 19:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:24.07 | tadzik | shame that not everywhere you can buy a decent local sim |
| 19:24.12 | jaska | i could see paying 1eur/meg.. if i was roaming on another planet :D |
| 19:24.14 | tadzik | france-- |
| 19:24.33 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: thing is, inmarsat is $3/mb |
| 19:24.39 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: and that's over satelite |
| 19:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I suggested thuraya |
| 19:25.13 | jacekowski | inmarsat coverage is much better |
| 19:25.18 | jacekowski | though nothing beats iridium |
| 19:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not much bandwidth but reasonable prices even via sat, so roaming mustn't be more pricey |
| 19:27.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, iridium is awesome, technically |
| 19:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | inmarsat is coming from commercial to mass market |
| 19:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'm not sure inmarsat does any roaming at all |
| 19:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | they not even got any dual mode phones afaik |
| 19:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong |
| 19:30.29 | jacekowski | no need for roaming if they have most of planet surface covered |
| 19:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but then you might not want to go out into the rain to call your grannie |
| 19:31.30 | jacekowski | why would you want a sat phone when you are in place that has gsm coverage |
| 19:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sat phones are pretty much like GPS: no indoor coverage |
| 19:31.47 | jacekowski | i think that's the main reason why sat phone prices have dropped down recently a lot |
| 19:32.02 | jacekowski | because every single shithole has gsm now |
| 19:33.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: it seems thuraya (and iridium?) have a dual mode policy to use same account and hardware via GSM where available and only use sat when in the outback |
| 19:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | err northpole/sahara (since even outback is completely covered afaik) |
| 19:34.11 | jacekowski | i'm not sure if thuraya has north pole coverage |
| 19:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | they don't |
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| 19:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | only sahara ;-P |
| 19:34.45 | jacekowski | well, most of sahara probably has gsm coverage |
| 19:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | fuuuuck |
| 19:35.32 | jacekowski | hmm, no |
| 19:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think nowadays sat phones are just a nice-to-have for desaster management |
| 19:36.37 | M4rtinK | BTW, Iridium covers both poles :) |
| 19:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | when there's no electricity and no connectivity and no radio/TV in whole europe due to some mega-blackout, you might be happy with a thuraya, given your friends also have those ;-) |
| 19:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | iridium covers 100% |
| 19:37.23 | M4rtinK | the Amundsen-Scot south pole station is using a bank of Iridium modems for (slow) Internet access, IIRC |
| 19:38.17 | M4rtinK | on a related note, there is an upgraded version of Iridium in the works - Iridium NEXT |
| 19:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 19:38.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | next bankrupcy? |
| 19:38.42 | M4rtinK | http://www.iridium.com/About/IridiumNEXT.aspx |
| 19:38.59 | M4rtinK | one is never enough :) |
| 19:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems so |
| 19:39.12 | kerio | can i use my n900 to access that network? |
| 19:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 19:39.24 | kerio | shame |
| 19:39.28 | kerio | does it provide internet? |
| 19:39.42 | M4rtinK | with a serial or USB modem... :) |
| 19:39.51 | kerio | and how quick would it be? |
| 19:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you might, for iridium there's those 'cradles' that convert normal GSM into iridium phone |
| 19:40.00 | M4rtinK | if you can burn DVDs over USB, why not :) |
| 19:41.00 | kerio | like, how quick are satellite connections in general? |
| 19:42.22 | jacekowski | depends |
| 19:42.30 | jacekowski | how much are you willing to pay |
| 19:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome animated dif: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_(Kommunikationssystem)#Netzabdeckung |
| 19:43.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | gif* |
| 19:43.22 | jacekowski | astra (europe only) does like 10Mbits |
| 19:44.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mesmerizing |
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| 19:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.satcomglobal.com/products-services/network-or-brand-0 |
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| 19:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: >>Thuraya IP is a generation ahead in design and performance. It is an ultra light weight and compact satellite modem and the world’s smallest, most durable terminal to provide speeds of up to 444kbps.<< |
| 19:55.40 | kerio | but that's barely more than EDGE! |
| 19:56.28 | M4rtinK | BTW, we got a talk from technicians of a Satellite Internet provider in a course at school |
| 19:58.16 | M4rtinK | any they mentioned some interesting things, like competitors technician being eaten by a Tiger in Africa, installing equipment on an embassy in Iraq or outfitting a big jacht with gyrostabilised equipment & dedicated frequency bands in all major oceans & seas :) |
| 19:58.23 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: yeah... |
| 19:58.36 | timeless | i've used o2 prepaid (disposable) while in UK/IE |
| 19:58.47 | timeless | but i'm looking into something as a business traveler |
| 19:59.07 | timeless | right now my bill for 2 sim's (CA, US) is ~200USD/mo |
| 19:59.22 | timeless | one of the two plans gives me what i believe is truly unlimited worldwide data |
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| 19:59.40 | timeless | which is a really nice thing... in principle |
| 20:00.37 | timeless | it's sad, i should actually switch from my CA sim to my US sim for use in Canada (dropping my CA subscription) |
| 20:00.40 | timeless | the data rate is better |
| 20:00.44 | timeless | (since there's no 1GB cap) |
| 20:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: you're still with RIM? |
| 20:01.45 | timeless | yes |
| 20:02.04 | timeless | hey, my phone bills w/ RIM are probably more reasonable than my bills w/ Nokia :) |
| 20:02.05 | kerio | for shame! |
| 20:02.11 | timeless | (i'm not sure about that, but i think so) |
| 20:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity we didn't phone-conference while I was with STE |
| 20:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 20:02.24 | RST38h | timeless: How much longer? |
| 20:02.31 | timeless | i bought a house |
| 20:02.34 | timeless | i like Toronto :) |
| 20:02.42 | timeless | TIFF starts this week |
| 20:02.53 | timeless | http://tiff.net/ |
| 20:05.34 | RST38h | Gotta start looking, with RiM and Nokia in a race toward the abyss = |
| 20:06.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | snorts, blames nasty weather, and heads out |
| 20:10.52 | M4rtinK | don't forget HP ! (at least where mobile devices are concerned) :) |
| 20:11.10 | timeless | RST38h: aww, RIMM was doing better until last month |
| 20:11.34 | timeless | http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1346789481446&chddm=66470&chls=IntervalBasedLine&cmpto=NASDAQ:RIMM;NYSE:HPQ&cmptdms=0;0&q=NYSE:NOK&ntsp=0&ei=ol9GUPCzKOqT0QGoDQ |
| 20:11.48 | timeless | M4rtinK: good point, my former boss from NOK went to HPQ |
| 20:14.12 | RST38h | HP still making mobile devices? |
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| 20:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | Is Jaaksi still with HP? |
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| 20:30.07 | kerio | timeless: you're the microB dude, aren't you |
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| 20:39.22 | RST38h | Trust my word, all this mobile buggery will end up with Apple and Samsung as the only manufacturers, battling it out in courts |
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| 20:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, lets hope not. |
| 20:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | Although if it does, I think I'll blame you. ;) |
| 20:46.23 | tadzik | only know realizes why "Antilles" sounds familiar |
| 20:46.24 | RST38h | yeah yeah, blame me for everything |
| 20:47.10 | RST38h | cackles "nevermore!" and takes off toward the hills |
| 20:47.49 | kerio | quoth the RST, "nevermore" |
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| 20:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: so let me know why it sounds familiar, please :-) |
| 20:59.09 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: Wedge Antilles was the commander in the X-Wing squadron on the Rebellion and later The New Republic |
| 20:59.32 | tadzik | which makes me think for which book the phrase "General Antilles" is a spoiler :P |
| 21:00.26 | tadzik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_Antilles |
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| 21:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Someone rang? |
| 21:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, not really |
| 21:05.56 | tadzik | yeah, Admiral Ackbar, muttering something about a "trap" ;) |
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| 22:13.46 | uros1 | Hi all, can anybody browse to to /usr/share/application/hildon/rtcom-call-ui.desktop/ and paste mi content of this file please |
| 22:14.46 | uros1 | tnx solved |
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