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| 05:36.23 | Psi | how well does android run on n900 now? |
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| 06:16.29 | Macer | LOL |
| 06:16.37 | Macer | Psi: i thought it was "running" for a while |
| 06:16.42 | Macer | if all the hardware works is another story |
| 06:18.06 | Psi | yeah, last i looked it booted, but want usable |
| 06:18.39 | Macer | hm |
| 06:18.44 | Macer | last i tried it it was quite usable |
| 06:18.55 | Macer | but then again who knows what the status on most n900 projects is nowadays |
| 06:19.18 | Macer | i was going to buy an N9 this week but wound up buying some blu cigarettes instead |
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| 14:32.00 | djszapi_ | Hi! Could someone please the output of this command on Fremantle? grep -rn glBindAttribLocation /usr/include/ |
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| 14:38.34 | Sicelo | nothing returned, on mine |
| 14:38.56 | djszapi_ | Sicelo: hmm, do you have a /usr/include/GLES2 folder? |
| 14:40.03 | djszapi_ | iow, do you have the gles2 development package installed? |
| 14:40.48 | djszapi_ | Sicelo: sorry, I was unclear. I would need that in the fremantle development environment |
| 14:40.57 | freemangordon | djszapi_: maybe the correct place to check is not on the device, but in SB |
| 14:41.00 | freemangordon | yeah :D |
| 14:41.15 | freemangordon | djszapi_: lemme check it |
| 14:42.02 | freemangordon | /usr/include/SDL/SDL_opengl.h:3461:GLAPI void APIENTRY glBindAttribLocation (GLuint, GLuint, const GLchar *); |
| 14:42.02 | freemangordon | /usr/include/SDL/SDL_opengl.h:4162:GLAPI void APIENTRY glBindAttribLocationARB (GLhandleARB, GLuint, const GLcharARB *); |
| 14:42.16 | freemangordon | "/usr/include/GLES2/gl2.h:506:GL_APICALL void GL_APIENTRY glBindAttribLocation (GLuint program, GLuint index, const char* name);" |
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| 14:42.47 | freemangordon | djszapi_: ^^^ |
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| 14:42.51 | djszapi_ | freemangordon: dpkg -S /usr/include/GLES2/gl2.h -> is this some sgx package? |
| 14:43.13 | freemangordon | libgles2-sgx-img-dev |
| 14:43.28 | freemangordon | djszapi_: ^^^ |
| 14:43.33 | djszapi_ | k, thank you. |
| 14:43.47 | djszapi_ | that opengl es 2 implementation is not standard compliant apparently. |
| 14:43.50 | djszapi_ | just like on Harmattan |
| 14:44.09 | djszapi_ | you have used the maemo5 target in scratchbox, and not maemo6, right? |
| 14:44.29 | freemangordon | yep, I only have fremantle target |
| 14:44.47 | djszapi_ | I see, k. |
| 14:44.59 | djszapi_ | I am about to get this standard incompliance worked around in Qt5. |
| 14:45.12 | djszapi_ | packaging Qt5 for Harmattan, and I was wondering, if we need to fix this for fremantle as well. |
| 14:45.24 | djszapi_ | or if it is just harmattan specific. |
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| 14:46.07 | djszapi_ | do not suppose there is a channel for diablo? :-) |
| 14:46.34 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 14:46.49 | javispedro | this is the diablo channel |
| 14:47.10 | djszapi_ | freemangordon: do you have diable as well at hand? |
| 14:47.20 | djszapi_ | diablo, even |
| 14:47.25 | freemangordon | djszapi_: no |
| 14:47.33 | djszapi_ | I mean diablo target in scratchbox |
| 14:47.40 | freemangordon | yes, got it |
| 14:48.02 | freemangordon | but as I told you I have only fremantle targets |
| 14:48.08 | djszapi_ | right |
| 14:48.16 | javispedro | djszapi_: I have diablo targets and a n810 |
| 14:50.05 | djszapi_ | javispedro: then I would ask the same from you as well |
| 14:50.20 | djszapi_ | 1) grep -rn glBindAttribLocation /usr/include/ |
| 14:50.39 | javispedro | djszapi_: are you aware that diablo has no OpenGL* of any kind by default? |
| 14:50.41 | djszapi_ | 2) dpkg -S /usr/include/GLES2/gl2.h -> is this an sgx package? |
| 14:50.47 | djszapi_ | nope |
| 14:51.00 | javispedro | I do have OpenGL but this is because I was a participant in the disastrous mbx driver project |
| 14:51.29 | Sicelo | lol, disastrous :P |
| 14:53.03 | javispedro | and glBindAttribLocation does not exist in GLES1 :( |
| 14:53.08 | javispedro | (which is all the MBX supports) |
| 14:53.13 | djszapi_ | that is true |
| 14:53.19 | djszapi_ | it is a gles2 function. |
| 14:53.38 | djszapi_ | ok, so the bug will be fixed then in Qt5 for Harmattan and Fremantle only, great, thanks. |
| 14:54.03 | freemangordon | djszapi_: wait, Qt 5 for Fremantle? |
| 14:54.39 | freemangordon | where is that animal, care to gimme some link? |
| 14:54.59 | djszapi_ | freemangordon: we are about to fix an sgx opengl es 2 implementation issue in Qt5 |
| 14:55.03 | djszapi_ | because we are nice ;) |
| 14:55.17 | djszapi_ | unfortunately those implementations will not get updated on these platforms. |
| 14:55.22 | djszapi_ | so we accepted to have a hack in qt for that |
| 14:55.24 | javispedro | only one? =) |
| 14:55.31 | djszapi_ | it does not mean though qt5 comes to fremantle |
| 14:55.38 | djszapi_ | but it means I can finish the packaging for Harmattan |
| 14:55.46 | djszapi_ | they are nice* |
| 14:55.50 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 14:56.14 | djszapi_ | if oyu guys feel like packaging qt5 for fremantle, go ahead |
| 14:56.17 | djszapi_ | you* |
| 14:56.35 | djszapi_ | there is apparently a way of injecting fremantle specific ifdefs into. |
| 14:56.40 | djszapi_ | which I was surprised about. |
| 14:57.26 | freemangordon | well, the packaging should be the easy part, the problematic stuff will be to forward-port fremantle specific stuff (styles, etc) |
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| 14:58.46 | djszapi_ | ah yeah |
| 14:58.56 | djszapi_ | luckily enough the qtquick2 branch got some work for meego (harmattan) |
| 14:59.06 | djszapi_ | it still needs some fixes, but I know what to do to get that running |
| 14:59.09 | djszapi_ | there are mainly two tasks. |
| 14:59.30 | freemangordon | I don;t think that helps for fremantle |
| 14:59.32 | djszapi_ | but afterwords, should be possible to play with qt5 scenegraph, qml2 and so forth on harmattan out of the box from the community repository. |
| 14:59.37 | djszapi_ | that does not help |
| 14:59.52 | djszapi_ | qt-components does not work with fremantle |
| 14:59.59 | djszapi_ | there was some work from Kate (?), but unsure how far she went with that. |
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| 15:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, rougue ECHAN, zhought I'm in #harmattan |
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| 15:51.34 | fomg-optimize | Hi! I'm curious about Nokias Meltemi project, does anyone know where I can read about it? Was anything ever published? I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but hey. Got to start somewhere :). Thank you in advance! |
| 15:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/ |
| 15:52.00 | NIN101 | it's dead. |
| 15:52.01 | pronto | if anyone wants the blackhat2012usa/defcon20 videos, PM me |
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| 15:53.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ NIN101 |
| 15:53.17 | fomg-optimize | THank you, but is anything else known about it other than what was published in engadget? |
| 15:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, a lot of rumour what it might have become if it wasn't dead |
| 15:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly some stripped down harmattan/maemo |
| 15:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but since it's dead anyway, and no source or details ever got published afaik, who cares |
| 15:55.22 | fomg-optimize | Aha, all right, my hope was that some source was publish :) |
| 15:58.02 | Macer | lol |
| 15:58.16 | Macer | "Nokia scraps being a viable business" |
| 15:58.46 | fomg-optimize | I am not certain nokia as an entity chose that |
| 15:59.00 | fomg-optimize | Some say certain people high up is responisble ;) |
| 15:59.41 | fomg-optimize | THank you for your answers still :) |
| 15:59.44 | Macer | it's always easiest to blame elop ;) |
| 15:59.54 | Macer | e-flop |
| 16:00.00 | fomg-optimize | Hush, dont use that name |
| 16:00.05 | Macer | how he is still CEO is beyond me |
| 16:00.07 | fomg-optimize | There will be flamefest |
| 16:00.18 | Macer | heh |
| 16:00.24 | Macer | although... i like my lumia 900 ;) |
| 16:00.32 | Macer | so there is something to be said there at least |
| 16:00.58 | kerio | but... not maemo ._. |
| 16:01.00 | fomg-optimize | How is it good? Would love to hear something from that side for once |
| 16:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | blasphemy |
| 16:01.15 | Macer | but then again.... that is similar to saying "I like android" since the OS is on multiple manufacturer platforms |
| 16:01.36 | Macer | it's not nokia specific.. minus the fact that the cam in it might be of a higher quality than other wp7 phones |
| 16:01.59 | Macer | kerio: maemo "was" awesome ;) |
| 16:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather use a startac than any winP7 phone |
| 16:02.14 | Macer | probably the last of a true linux mobile distro anybody would say |
| 16:02.31 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: it's a Microsoft iPhone if you ask me |
| 16:02.45 | Macer | almost works exactly the same except it uses tiles instead of icons pretty much heh |
| 16:03.04 | Macer | believe it or not the IE in wp7 is probably one of the best browsers i have used on a smaller platform |
| 16:03.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and except it uses a windows BS OS rather than anything faintly *nixoid |
| 16:03.30 | Macer | the music area is based on the zune player.. which didn't sell that well but still had a good interface |
| 16:03.47 | Macer | *nixdroid haha |
| 16:04.07 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i'm just saying from an end user cattle perspective.. it is actually... nice |
| 16:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | pfff |
| 16:04.22 | Macer | it does everything i need it to do ... like.. ssh and gtalk. :) |
| 16:04.40 | fomg-optimize | Macer thank you for the neutral feedback :) |
| 16:04.42 | Macer | although ssh doesn't run in the background like an iphone they are incredibly restrictive on running background apps |
| 16:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | from an end user perspective: real hooker >> hooker800 >> any_wincrap |
| 16:05.04 | kerio | ssh doesn't run in background |
| 16:05.07 | kerio | no ssh tunnels |
| 16:05.07 | fomg-optimize | What makes IE better browser than the other ones then? |
| 16:05.10 | kerio | no irc for me |
| 16:05.14 | kerio | fucking useless |
| 16:05.15 | Macer | kerio: yeah. no tunnels too :-/ |
| 16:05.23 | Macer | kerio: but i just have screen auto start on my box |
| 16:05.28 | Macer | problem solved ;) |
| 16:05.34 | fomg-optimize | Seen from "cattle" perspective |
| 16:05.37 | Macer | but the lack of tunnels would be a problem :-/ |
| 16:06.01 | Macer | fomg-optimize: well.. i'm just talking about a typical user who downloads stuff like the app that changes their voice to a gnome and think it's awesome ;) |
| 16:06.31 | Macer | but as far as a user who needs more would go.. the browser works fine.. ssh works... and im+ can be used for any IM stuff |
| 16:06.42 | Macer | that's all i really need a phone for :) |
| 16:07.03 | Macer | and it has built in wifi tethering over the att lte network ... so they thought of that at least as well |
| 16:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you better get a MDA |
| 16:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict phone |
| 16:07.46 | Macer | :-P |
| 16:07.53 | Macer | tomatoes tomatoes |
| 16:08.12 | Macer | i guess that idiom doesn't work well on irc :) |
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| 16:08.40 | Macer | that being said... maemo was a far superior os for the power user :) |
| 16:08.45 | fomg-optimize | Hmmmmm |
| 16:08.59 | Macer | i am still considering getting an N9 |
| 16:09.06 | fomg-optimize | Still seems a tad over priced fo those features, and those feeatures alone? |
| 16:09.09 | Macer | since that's the last one that will have a real linux type of os on it |
| 16:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I 75% use my N900 as a mobile PC with permanent(!) connectivity to internet |
| 16:09.23 | Macer | fomg-optimize: well i caught it on a promotion |
| 16:09.26 | fomg-optimize | N950 if you shit gold? |
| 16:09.34 | fomg-optimize | Or have contacts :) |
| 16:09.35 | javispedro | the N950 is garbage |
| 16:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the remaining 25% are mere phone usage |
| 16:09.42 | Macer | fomg-optimize: or are on the council |
| 16:09.43 | Macer | hides |
| 16:10.09 | fomg-optimize | javispedro oh, more than I know, why? |
| 16:10.10 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: if talking on a phone is what you consider phone usage |
| 16:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: sssshhh! I wanna sell it for some k$ ;-) |
| 16:10.13 | Macer | then i'm around 5% ;) |
| 16:10.32 | Macer | javispedro: i thought the n950 was just an n9 with a qwerty |
| 16:10.36 | Macer | maybe a little less strong |
| 16:11.14 | javispedro | it is scratch happy, has way too much different hw from n9 to be useful, the keyboard sucks (both arrangement and sw) |
| 16:11.29 | Macer | i think i have gotten to the point that if i want to use linux on the go... i'll just bust out my transformer and ssh to my box at home over the wifi tether |
| 16:11.32 | Macer | heh |
| 16:11.47 | javispedro | the screen dies on you randomly, the hinge looks fragile, |
| 16:11.56 | Macer | javispedro: they should have just taken the n900 and shoved a faster cpu/more ram in huh? |
| 16:12.06 | javispedro | the firmware is hardly upgraded and always different from n9, |
| 16:12.07 | Macer | and fixed the usb port heh |
| 16:12.11 | javispedro | etc. etc. |
| 16:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: N950 is an N9 with a rather poorly built hw kb, a flimsy "slide" mechanism, an LCD that's not really supported by the basic design principles of OS, and at large an OS that's not made for the hw |
| 16:12.13 | javispedro | ah |
| 16:12.24 | javispedro | and virtually nil phone reception and very bad wlan signal quality |
| 16:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: plus you get no spare parts |
| 16:12.43 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: yeah that has to suck |
| 16:12.47 | Macer | the spare parts part |
| 16:12.58 | Macer | if it breaks you'd wind up paying like $500 on ebay for a screen? |
| 16:13.23 | Macer | i was still considering an N9 |
| 16:13.25 | Sicelo | oh my .. the people who've spend $$ buying N950s .. i wonder if they considered the spares issue |
| 16:13.28 | Macer | if the price drops a bit more i might just get it |
| 16:13.43 | Macer | is nokia even producing them anymore? |
| 16:13.57 | Macer | N9s? |
| 16:14.15 | javispedro | I think they are still producing the 16GiB model |
| 16:14.23 | javispedro | but I have my doubts about 64GiB models |
| 16:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: you hardly find *any* spare part for N950 |
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| 16:14.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter how much you're willing to pay |
| 16:14.42 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: did you see modified sliding iphone bt keyboard for the n9? |
| 16:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen some of those concepts |
| 16:14.59 | Macer | lol. that's ghetto but if they can make a kit |
| 16:15.04 | Macer | i'd buy one and get an n9 ;) |
| 16:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | none ever really got me amazed |
| 16:15.12 | teotwaki__ | I think I'm just going to go for a galaxy note or note 2, when it comes out, to be honest |
| 16:15.25 | Macer | teotwaki__: be careful. apple may sue |
| 16:15.44 | teotwaki__ | yeah, as if that would change from the fantastic support I always got from Nokia. |
| 16:15.55 | teotwaki__ | "Hey, here's a fantastic device. CANCELED! HAHA" |
| 16:16.01 | Macer | LOL!! |
| 16:16.26 | Macer | actually... they usually wait about 5 months after they release it to cancel it ;) |
| 16:16.45 | beford | and its gone! |
| 16:16.47 | Macer | as i learned with the nxxx series |
| 16:17.06 | Macer | although n8x0 probably had the longest run until abandoned |
| 16:17.09 | teotwaki__ | I just got back home, I was stuck in wedding-traffic, but laughing so loud |
| 16:17.38 | teotwaki__ | cars honking their horns all over (I'm on a motorbike, so could weasel through), celebrating some stupid union, whatever. |
| 16:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | wedding-traffic! now that's new |
| 16:17.45 | teotwaki__ | Is it? |
| 16:17.56 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: not really |
| 16:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard or noticed |
| 16:17.57 | teotwaki__ | When you have a hundred cars following the groom's car? |
| 16:18.00 | Macer | ever see funeral traffic? :) |
| 16:18.05 | teotwaki__ | Anyway |
| 16:18.23 | teotwaki__ | I'm passing everyone, as they're stuck, until I reach the groom's car |
| 16:18.44 | teotwaki__ | A nice cabrio old mercedes, very nice condition |
| 16:18.45 | fomg-optimize | Thank you all for your answers by the way :) |
| 16:18.52 | Macer | fomg-optimize: np |
| 16:18.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | only real impact on traffic in our *towns* here in Germany is when some football national team won a game |
| 16:18.56 | Macer | i'm going to the store |
| 16:19.04 | teotwaki__ | Problem is, there's roughly 120kph of wind at the moment |
| 16:19.04 | Macer | damn i shoul dhave done this during the week. it is a zoo on the weekends |
| 16:19.15 | teotwaki__ | The bride's hair and dress were all over the place |
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| 16:22.30 | javispedro | I am actually kind of happy with the results of the apple vs samsung "thing" |
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| 16:23.40 | javispedro | ever since the iphone the usability has freefalled |
| 16:23.54 | javispedro | so here's for future devices _avoiding_ everything that remotely looks iphoneish!! |
| 16:27.40 | fomg-optimize | Ghasp, you mean actual creatiity rather than copying, are you MAD?! |
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| 16:28.17 | fomg-optimize | *gasp |
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| 16:32.07 | TomaszD | Hi |
| 16:32.50 | TomaszD | I'm looking for Thomas Perl or Andrew Flegg |
| 16:33.52 | javispedro | thp Jaffa |
| 16:34.16 | TomaszD | thanks |
| 16:34.26 | TomaszD | Jaffa, are you around? |
| 16:36.12 | TomaszD | I'm basically looking for someone who has the LEGACY FIASCO image for HWID2001 |
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| 16:36.25 | TomaszD | PR1.2 preferrably |
| 16:36.44 | TomaszD | I've stupidly lost it, I only have the PR1.1 image |
| 16:37.35 | Sicelo | 7/win 20 |
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| 16:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: indeed |
| 16:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe phone builders now recall there's more than capacitive multitouch, and stop trying to mimic cryPhone |
| 16:43.16 | Estel_ | especially considering todays verdict in stupid US |
| 16:43.37 | Estel_ | akka samsung -> pay xxxxxxxxxxxxx ammount of money to appleshit |
| 16:43.50 | javispedro | see my above comment |
| 16:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Apple has an awesome R&D department and policy (let 5 teams develop same thing, after N months, see what are the results and possibly start over all new again), other manufacturers just copying what Apple developed for concepts is an "evolutionary" dead-end |
| 16:43.58 | Estel_ | because apple have patented triangles and squares |
| 16:44.32 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, but seriously, i like "flip-slide" screen of N950 |
| 16:44.43 | Estel_ | screen changing angle is very comfortable thing ;) |
| 16:44.48 | javispedro | waaaah |
| 16:44.49 | javispedro | I hate it |
| 16:44.51 | Estel_ | Admit that I like n900 keyboard much more |
| 16:45.00 | Estel_ | and reception of wifi and cellular is... well |
| 16:45.07 | Estel_ | javispedro summed it up :P |
| 16:45.21 | Estel_ | bbright side - N950 also have hirose u.fl ports on motherboard for external antennas |
| 16:45.29 | Estel_ | just like N900 |
| 16:45.56 | Estel_ | in fact I can't remember it wrong way,a s I've disassembled it some time ago, but I remember one hirose more?... |
| 16:46.07 | Estel_ | and people buying in on ebay are not casual users, just collectors |
| 16:46.26 | Estel_ | half of them put it into gablote, probably |
| 16:46.38 | Estel_ | javispedro, why hating i9t, out of curiosity? |
| 16:46.42 | Estel_ | flip screen? |
| 16:46.59 | javispedro | i9t? |
| 16:47.08 | Estel_ | don't be picky on typos ;) |
| 16:47.14 | javispedro | ah, it |
| 16:47.21 | javispedro | I actually thought it was an acronym |
| 16:47.26 | Estel_ | nods |
| 16:47.26 | javispedro | reads like one =) |
| 16:47.30 | Estel_ | fact :P |
| 16:47.42 | fomg-optimize | DocScrutinizer05do you have info where to read about their R&D, what you wrote got my attention to read mora bout it |
| 16:48.13 | Estel_ | thinking about it, N900 way of sliding is 10000% faster for everyday use, and more robust... |
| 16:48.23 | javispedro | Estel_: well it actually puts the screen at an oblique angle respect my eyes |
| 16:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | fomg-optimize: there's been an article about it, sth "why apple can innovate and others can't" |
| 16:48.28 | Estel_ | but lack of need for kickstand on N950 is also a benefit |
| 16:48.33 | Estel_ | javispedro, I see |
| 16:48.43 | javispedro | Estel_: plus it's not very useful as kickstand because of low angle |
| 16:48.46 | Estel_ | apple and innovations? 0_o? |
| 16:49.02 | Estel_ | javispedro, huh, it's probably about personal prefferences, I find it quite convenient |
| 16:49.19 | Estel_ | apple is selling same product all over the years, as far as I can tell |
| 16:49.33 | javispedro | they might, but everyone copies them regardless. |
| 16:49.37 | Estel_ | yep |
| 16:50.06 | Estel_ | if jolla is going to make capacitive-screen-only device, with roudn eges, I'm going to hate them. Officially. |
| 16:50.15 | Estel_ | s/roudn/round/ |
| 16:50.18 | javispedro | I'd start looking for another company.. |
| 16:50.23 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 16:50.52 | Estel_ | no, seriously it depends on whats behind the surface - Os, lack of aegis-like shit, etc... But, poor external design wouldn't be nice, too |
| 16:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yu can't innovate like Apple - Pragmatic Marketing, world's most popular product management training |
| 16:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | fomg-optimize: you can't innovate like Apple - Pragmatic Marketing, world's most popular product management training |
| 16:51.24 | javispedro | what I found true about apple is that they sometime do what is commonly said about them -- get something existing and improve it up to the point it is actually somewhat useful |
| 16:51.48 | javispedro | (some some some some ....) |
| 16:51.50 | Estel_ | well, I hope that today's stupid jury decision in US will at least *a little* convince companies to do their own things |
| 16:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | fomg-optimize: http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/resources/You-Cant-Innovate-Like-Apple |
| 16:52.09 | Estel_ | let alone fact that jury's decision is idiotic, samsung 8was* a "xero-boy" company |
| 16:52.18 | Sicelo | sees nothing stupid in the decision |
| 16:52.21 | fomg-optimize | DocScrutinizer05 Thank you very much! |
| 16:52.48 | Estel_ | Sicelo, I see patented triangles and squiares as something stupid, could hasppen in US only ;P |
| 16:53.04 | Estel_ | appleshit tried same thing in EU, but for now failed. although, we have quite big lobby in eu parlament for that... |
| 16:53.08 | Estel_ | so who knows what future will bring |
| 16:53.14 | fomg-optimize | Do not forget how EULA in many corporations now forbid you to do class-actions lawsuits |
| 16:53.18 | Estel_ | many, many forces would like us patent nonsense in europe |
| 16:53.42 | Estel_ | fomg-optimize, in most civilized countries such aprt of eula is "null and void" |
| 16:53.43 | fomg-optimize | *from many corporations products |
| 16:53.46 | Estel_ | by higher laws |
| 16:53.49 | fomg-optimize | True |
| 16:53.53 | fomg-optimize | But not all |
| 16:53.57 | fomg-optimize | That is bad enough |
| 16:54.07 | Estel_ | blame law of such countries more than corporates |
| 16:54.12 | Estel_ | corporations* |
| 16:54.25 | Sicelo | apparently it came out during the case that Samsung didn't accidentally imitate iPhone. seems to have been direct plagiarism. from what i got, even Google warned them against such a move |
| 16:54.26 | jacekowski | in some countries if any part of eula is illegal then whole eula is void and it's free for all |
| 16:55.08 | Estel_ | Sicelo, from what i know, during the case it also came out that apple imitiated, via direct plagiarism, other things that were before them ;) |
| 16:55.15 | jacekowski | thing is, if i would want an iphone, i would buy an iphone |
| 16:55.16 | Estel_ | still, patented round edges is idiotic thing |
| 16:55.29 | jacekowski | not iphonelike phone from samsung |
| 16:55.30 | Estel_ | jacekowski, true |
| 16:55.33 | Estel_ | but price tag |
| 16:55.41 | Estel_ | some people just want iphone with lower price ;p |
| 16:55.42 | jacekowski | Estel_: well, about the same |
| 16:55.55 | jacekowski | Estel_: galaxy s3 costs more than iphone |
| 16:56.01 | Estel_ | true. |
| 16:56.36 | Estel_ | well, still can't feel sympathetic for patent trolling, but, if it would convince samsung to stop being xero boy... ;P) |
| 16:57.08 | Estel_ | I'm just afraid that microsoft is going to do the same using Nokia's patents |
| 16:57.30 | Estel_ | which would be more problematic |
| 16:59.38 | fomg-optimize | Wait there is a difference between Microsoft and Nokia |
| 16:59.45 | fomg-optimize | I thought they were the same company? |
| 16:59.51 | teotwaki__ | they are |
| 17:00.12 | fomg-optimize | Ah ok good, now I understand the world again |
| 17:02.33 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.51 | javispedro | Estel_: it's more like rounder corners, glossy, small bezel, button.. |
| 17:02.52 | javispedro | black |
| 17:02.55 | javispedro | etc. |
| 17:03.07 | Estel_ | sur,e it's more about that, but every single bit of it cna be used for patent trolling |
| 17:03.17 | Estel_ | = generally irrelevant things |
| 17:03.20 | Estel_ | glossy |
| 17:03.31 | javispedro | meh, I'd wish they'd drop stupid glossy |
| 17:03.42 | Estel_ | comign next: apple sue teens with glossy lips for patent offense |
| 17:03.47 | Estel_ | same here :P |
| 17:03.56 | javispedro | that'd be wonderful |
| 17:03.57 | Estel_ | glossy is damn useless |
| 17:04.02 | javispedro | apple, the enforcer of matte screen. |
| 17:04.07 | javispedro | *screens. |
| 17:04.14 | Estel_ | he, he |
| 17:05.03 | Estel_ | freemangordon, ping |
| 17:05.12 | Estel_ | freemangordon, don't be afraid, just small question :P |
| 17:06.06 | Estel_ | freemangordon, some times ago you've tested command that was about setting keyboard mapping for screen :1, to make external keyboard work in Easy Debian |
| 17:06.18 | Estel_ | call me an idiot 100 times, but I have lost it somewhere, can't find it for a life of me |
| 17:06.23 | Estel_ | searched for 3 days, actually |
| 17:07.09 | Estel_ | it was one liner, afaik, maybe You remember how it looked? I wan't to prepare small set of scripts, that would be compatible with extkbd, for hassle-free support of external keyboard in ED, and stop that BT-HID *or* extkbd madness |
| 17:07.21 | Estel_ | if it wil lwork OK, might update extkbd with those scripts included |
| 17:07.35 | Estel_ | or convince someone skilled more to incorporate it (not You, you have said that You're too buy with other things) |
| 17:07.51 | Estel_ | so if You happen to remember what it was, or could recover it, thanks thousand of times :) |
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| 17:08.00 | Estel_ | freemangordon ^^^ |
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| 17:10.47 | Estel_ | brb |
| 17:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe >>There’s a great quote by Henry Ford, right? He said, ‘If I’d have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me ‘A faster horse.’’’<< |
| 17:16.00 | javispedro | A cheaper iPhone! |
| 17:16.04 | javispedro | but also.. |
| 17:16.08 | javispedro | a better N900! |
| 17:16.33 | javispedro | double-edged sword... |
| 17:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 17:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I want a PC in my pocket, with awesome connectivity, and possibly a pretty innovative convenient though not too all-new-and-unusual HID |
| 17:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, make that: "not a too unusual new user interface paradigm" |
| 17:20.16 | fomg-optimize | Google glass? nyah nyah |
| 17:20.59 | javispedro | might be the first google device I buy, if they make it cheap enough |
| 17:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | like in: Headmounted Display fine, (yep glass:-D kinda) speech input fine, as an alternative, since no xterm&shell no way! |
| 17:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I already asked if somebody could get me one, but it seems for now it's available to selected customers/partners of Google only |
| 17:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW while I appreciate a new UI concept, it has to keep "backwards compatibility" by all means |
| 17:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (something that leats me already frown upon HARM qml as primary and "only" toolkit for GUI building) |
| 17:25.11 | fomg-optimize | I especially like the second video: http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2166559/6-Funny-Google-Project-Glass-Parody-Videos |
| 17:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh parody |
| 17:25.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really interested in :-) |
| 17:25.56 | fomg-optimize | WEll, you will like the second one |
| 17:26.01 | fomg-optimize | That is how it really is going to be |
| 17:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, ok |
| 17:26.12 | fomg-optimize | Google has to make money after all |
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| 17:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | now what's 2nd in your counting? incl original=1, or original=0 |
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| 17:28.10 | fomg-optimize | original = 1 |
| 17:28.10 | fomg-optimize | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:28.31 | fomg-optimize | SHould have thought about which channel I was porting ;) |
| 17:28.42 | fomg-optimize | *typing |
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| 17:32.23 | javispedro | it is funny |
| 17:32.48 | teotwaki__ | any C++11 experts here? |
| 17:35.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | fomg-optimize: yep, #2 is probably the direction it will go, but it's WAAAY too optimistic and lacking the deeper implications. There will be way better more subtile manipulation since Google knows you better than you do. They don't need cheesy google ads popping up, there's more ffective way to make you do whatever THEY want |
| 17:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's exactly why I want such a thing, to counteract that in the earliest possible stage |
| 17:36.26 | fomg-optimize | Ah, well, if google goes that way, it might be the first step they take from previously having separated ads with content |
| 17:36.36 | javispedro | mwahahaha |
| 17:36.46 | fomg-optimize | *from |
| 17:37.17 | fomg-optimize | OOh, google mind control |
| 17:37.23 | fomg-optimize | Blade Runner here i come |
| 17:37.40 | fomg-optimize | Guess I might have the chance to live in that world after all |
| 17:38.24 | fomg-optimize | And yes I am a bit worried, but normal defence is to joke about serious things |
| 17:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | fomg-optimize: when Google knows you usually get hungry on your way to work, since you always eat a burger when you arrive, they might pick a route to walk when subway closed, so they know you'll enter that burger shop with the advertisment they know you're susceptable to |
| 17:39.36 | fomg-optimize | Seams reasonable |
| 17:39.38 | fomg-optimize | Seems |
| 17:39.49 | fomg-optimize | God, my brain is not working toda |
| 17:40.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | they even may sell a custom tailored advertisment to the shop owner |
| 17:40.29 | Estel_ | You must have been eating many burgers, to make them prepare custom add for You |
| 17:40.33 | Estel_ | unless it's led screen |
| 17:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I mean |
| 17:40.50 | Estel_ | with adverts changing, dpeneding on who is passing nearby (identified b ygoogle glass) |
| 17:41.02 | Estel_ | aka "minority reportt" |
| 17:41.13 | Estel_ | they have identified You by eye, it will identify You by google glass |
| 17:41.16 | Estel_ | ha, ha |
| 17:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | either have a real active display on pavement, or simply use your glass to show the ad just to you in the right moment |
| 17:41.35 | Estel_ | sure, augmented reality |
| 17:41.52 | fomg-optimize | Augmented marketing is the correct term |
| 17:42.08 | fomg-optimize | The marketing name is augmented reality |
| 17:42.11 | Estel_ | have I said something about dream of contact lenses that have function for night-vision during night (using infra-red diodes mounted to cloothing), and semi-transparent screen on them? |
| 17:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and rooted glasses OS is the right answer |
| 17:42.27 | Estel_ | I would use them *only* if it wouldn't be connected to any network at all, or be totally FOSS based |
| 17:42.51 | Estel_ | most likely, connected to any device with <put name of future personal area network here> |
| 17:43.08 | Estel_ | not some arbitraty enforced pack on belt, made by google :p |
| 17:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | well I'm an experienced senior EE and system architect, I'm confident in my ability to understand what Google can do on their glass (in OS) and what they can't |
| 17:44.52 | Estel_ | well, basically, they can do almost anything they want, yep?:) |
| 17:45.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sure a all FOSS OS would be preferrable |
| 17:45.45 | Estel_ | all in all, it's more easy to do DIY hardware semi-transparent screen glasses, contected to whatever You want, that DIY contact lenses :( |
| 17:45.58 | Estel_ | until 3D printers become *that* good, to print contact lenses, that is |
| 17:46.23 | Estel_ | personally, i just can't stand glasses, barely stand black ones for summer |
| 17:46.59 | Estel_ | ...which most of the time mean that I don't wear them even on brightest sun, heh |
| 17:47.22 | Estel_ | contact lenses with infra-red vision for night, and sun-limiting factor for day, that is |
| 17:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: what's been your "mwahaha" been a reply to? |
| 17:47.54 | javispedro | "it might be the first step they take from previously having separated ads with content" |
| 17:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 17:48.06 | javispedro | it would not precisely be the first step... |
| 17:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "funny thing" aqbout google glasses: I'm interested in exactly that technology since ~6 years already |
| 17:50.25 | javispedro | probably |
| 17:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually we evaluated at OM how FR was a suitable platform for a orientation aid for the vision impaired |
| 17:50.47 | javispedro | that's a good usecase. |
| 17:51.35 | fomg-optimize | Ive been interested in augmented reality glasses since Dennō Coil :) |
| 17:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I recall discussing with Raster in a cafe in Taipei about 24/7 video diary |
| 17:52.06 | fomg-optimize | <javispedro what about first step |
| 17:52.09 | fomg-optimize | Are they aldready doing it? |
| 17:52.52 | fomg-optimize | DocScrutinizer05 OM FR? |
| 17:53.00 | kerio | openmoko freerunner |
| 17:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | OpenMoko FreeRunner |
| 17:53.07 | fomg-optimize | Ah thank you |
| 17:53.22 | kerio | a bad-ish phone |
| 17:53.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: :P |
| 17:53.30 | fomg-optimize | Yeah i know about it |
| 17:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | no doubt |
| 17:53.41 | fomg-optimize | At least I know something yay ;) |
| 17:53.47 | kerio | yay |
| 17:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg_rw |
| 17:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 17:54.03 | infobot | i guess joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 17:54.13 | kerio | ~kerio |
| 17:54.13 | infobot | hmm... kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...] |
| 17:54.28 | kerio | neat, still there |
| 17:54.37 | javispedro | lol |
| 17:54.51 | javispedro | fomg-optimize: just get an android device and look at it or a while |
| 17:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: you suddenly notice the subliminary visual messages? |
| 17:55.48 | kerio | instead of finding ways to put android on the n900, wouldn't it be better to put maemo on a droid/milestone? |
| 17:55.49 | javispedro | subliminary? =) |
| 17:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: ...only when you blink |
| 17:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict subliminary |
| 17:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 17:56.53 | fomg-optimize | Oh, about OM FR, ment I know about the phone not it being bad-ish :), things go too fast for me today :) |
| 17:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | subliminal |
| 17:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | pardon my French |
| 17:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict subliminal |
| 17:58.20 | Estel_ | WTF?! |
| 17:58.21 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1255491&postcount=25 |
| 17:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? |
| 17:58.38 | Estel_ | "that I just booted kernel 3.5-rc6 with N900" |
| 17:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 17:58.56 | kerio | neat |
| 17:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice bleeding edge kernel with acme-foo and total-bar, but lacking support for any of the more special peripherals of N900? |
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| 18:00.31 | Estel_ | probably, but last time sometime tried recent kernel, he smelt burned electronic, as something about voltage for omap was wrong |
| 18:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not something special to get a linux kernel running on an ARM platform |
| 18:00.43 | Estel_ | so "working fine" even if without screen yet, sounds quite nice :) |
| 18:00.55 | fomg-optimize | Estel_ You kodding |
| 18:00.58 | Estel_ | nope |
| 18:00.59 | fomg-optimize | *kidding |
| 18:01.04 | fomg-optimize | Damn |
| 18:01.34 | fomg-optimize | Eum, hmmm, maybe there is a point in not jumping too fast with upgrade experiments |
| 18:01.44 | javispedro | meego used upstream kernels on n900, remember |
| 18:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the real dangers of fools messing with kernel |
| 18:01.47 | fomg-optimize | I truly did not think that could happen |
| 18:01.48 | Estel_ | it was year or two before, so I don't remember details |
| 18:01.51 | javispedro | so it's not much dangerous |
| 18:02.00 | javispedro | and go thank the few nokians that worked on meego |
| 18:02.02 | Estel_ | sure, fortunately, we don't have fools messing with kernel :) |
| 18:02.47 | fomg-optimize | Hehe :) |
| 18:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | except that one fool who messed up I2C to a degree where even maemo proper could cause those smells and worse |
| 18:02.54 | fomg-optimize | WEll, learned something new today |
| 18:02.55 | Estel_ | javispedro, sure, I suppose that guy who burned his device took something very wrong as kernel candidate for build |
| 18:03.21 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, fortunatelly, no one burned device due to foodl messing with i2c, and it was time where we *had* foold messing with kernel :) |
| 18:03.28 | Estel_ | s/foold/sools/ |
| 18:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I still wonder who "invented" that |
| 18:03.46 | Estel_ | *fanfare voice* then Pali took upon our orphaned little kernel, and everything changed... |
| 18:03.49 | Estel_ | In cinemas, this autumn! |
| 18:03.59 | kerio | yay Pali ^___^ |
| 18:04.05 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, as far as I remember, matias, marxian, or someone starting at "mat" |
| 18:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, Pali definitely no fool |
| 18:04.22 | Estel_ | then freemangordon united forces in episode 2 |
| 18:04.27 | Estel_ | and empire striked back ;) |
| 18:04.42 | Estel_ | starting at "ma" to be precise |
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| 18:05.06 | kerio | yay Thumb2 ^___^ |
| 18:05.13 | Estel_ | freemangordon did much before thumb2 |
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| 18:05.21 | Estel_ | both with Pali |
| 18:05.26 | Estel_ | and now zeq :) |
| 18:05.42 | Estel_ | I'm glad that zeq received dev device from Community (N900, not N9/N950) |
| 18:05.55 | Estel_ | in matter of few hours :D |
| 18:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually it took a tad longer til he physically received it |
| 18:06.45 | Estel_ | sure, money got collected in few hours |
| 18:06.52 | kerio | Estel_: well, he does cssu-thumb with Pali and others |
| 18:06.55 | Estel_ | we don't own maemo.org teleport device, yet :( |
| 18:07.17 | Estel_ | kerio, cssu-thumb is last pet-project of him, he did muuuuch for KP (and other projects) before |
| 18:07.50 | Estel_ | to name a few, 720p video recording, *proper* extkbd, stable and reliable SR VDD's... |
| 18:07.57 | kerio | having packages compiled with linaro is neat |
| 18:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | whom are we talking about? |
| 18:08.29 | kerio | i should install 720p support |
| 18:08.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq? |
| 18:08.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fmg |
| 18:08.46 | kerio | freemangordon |
| 18:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | your context switcher needs adjustment then |
| 18:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe mine |
| 18:10.01 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's because i have to flush the branch prediction cache :( |
| 18:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 18:10.15 | javispedro | *You just won the community award. Now turn on your 3D printers while we send you the model of the N900...* |
| 18:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 18:10.56 | kerio | you wouldn't download a n900! |
| 18:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | why not? |
| 18:11.21 | kerio | meh, the hardware is kinda crappy |
| 18:11.26 | kerio | >:D |
| 18:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | apply your patches at will ;-P |
| 18:11.50 | kerio | moar ram, for instance |
| 18:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda scary vision to think what type of 3D-printer that needs to be |
| 18:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | vacuum |
| 18:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ion beam |
| 18:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | lots of radiation too, probably |
| 18:13.36 | kerio | how the hell do you print a battery anyway? |
| 18:14.14 | javispedro | actually you CAN print a battery |
| 18:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually you're right, some molecules are hard to process by ion beam technology - they'll simply crack |
| 18:14.44 | javispedro | you cannot print a CPU though ;) |
| 18:15.08 | javispedro | well, you can... though not a 16nm process one |
| 18:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on printer |
| 18:16.19 | fomg-optimize | THe most common use for 3d printers in the beginning will be sex toys, to embarassing to risk being caught in post, and on your credit card |
| 18:16.34 | fomg-optimize | Not to mention them being illegal in some countries |
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| 18:20.14 | Estel_ | fomg-optimize, 3D printers are pretty common now, and I would say that they have kinda *other* use case for now |
| 18:21.02 | fomg-optimize | Just wait until they become commonplace ;) |
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| 18:24.07 | Estel_ | merlin1991, wtf? next cssu-t will update busybox to one with portrait support... |
| 18:24.12 | Estel_ | but not busybox-power yet? |
| 18:24.21 | Estel_ | what sense is in touching busybox just to add portrait support? 0_o? |
| 18:24.41 | javispedro | busybox with portrait support' |
| 18:24.42 | javispedro | ? |
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| 18:24.57 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, lol, we have argued about feasibility of upstream fixes, and now we will have busybox touched for no reason at all ;P |
| 18:25.10 | Estel_ | javispedro: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1255362&postcount=275 |
| 18:25.20 | Estel_ | don't ask me |
| 18:25.23 | javispedro | grabs popcorn |
| 18:25.30 | Estel_ | sound exactly as bizzare to me |
| 18:25.41 | Estel_ | but I'm sure that idon't doesn't say bullshit |
| 18:26.57 | Estel_ | I just wonder who got idea to incorporate modified busybox into cssu just for such irrelevant change, instead of waiting a little and putting busybox-power as a whole, with this change included |
| 18:27.02 | Estel_ | *facepalm* |
| 18:27.19 | Estel_ | I must go and eat some pizza, to shake this shock. see ya ;) |
| 18:27.37 | javispedro | reads stuff about aegis cracks on that thread and closes |
| 18:29.47 | javispedro | WTF about setting the setuid bit to the busybox executable |
| 18:29.49 | javispedro | crazy |
| 18:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT??? |
| 18:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | messybox suid? ok fine, tomorrow expect my virus exploiting that |
| 18:32.47 | javispedro | TMO is crazier every day. |
| 18:33.55 | NIN101 | (like maemo is super high security anyway :P) |
| 18:35.03 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I have a °C/°F bug with MeeCast. |
| 18:35.17 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: see my message on #harmattan ;) |
| 18:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's set to °F and says °F on the watch, but it's definitely not 31° here. :D |
| 18:35.28 | javispedro | aha, just as I suspected. |
| 18:35.31 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: what is your weather provider? |
| 18:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | weather.com |
| 18:35.40 | javispedro | aha |
| 18:35.50 | javispedro | ok, so this'll be fixed today. |
| 18:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, where's the layout for the weather row? |
| 18:36.13 | javispedro | it's not QML sadly. |
| 18:36.16 | GeneralAntilles | Poo |
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| 18:36.50 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: mostly because it's just a few lines long, in metawatch/metawatchdigital.cpp around 190 |
| 18:36.50 | GeneralAntilles | I want to drop the text, shift the icon over, display both °C/°F, and high/low or humidity. |
| 18:37.29 | GeneralAntilles | Haha. I see your message in Growl. |
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| 18:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: mine is ;-P |
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| 18:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: until some fool sneaky injects some insecure shell with suid set |
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| 18:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but no worries, this won't ever happen on CSSU |
| 18:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | suid not being set on messybox is not exactly a bug Nokia made that we need to fix in CSSU |
| 18:53.38 | javispedro | the bug is ping & su |
| 18:53.39 | NIN101 | also it seems nobody really cares about the servers, I guess it would be dead simple to upload a package with malware and nobody would notice it. |
| 18:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: that's why su isn't used in maemo and we got sudo instead |
| 18:56.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, calm down, suid isn't messed up with busybox on fremantle |
| 18:56.43 | Estel_ | and don't be so sure what will happen on cssu or not, I have seen worse things :P (ke-recv mess, or operator-widget-name...) |
| 18:56.51 | Macer | NIN101: lol. isn't that true of any open-source distro? |
| 18:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: don't tell me to calm down, I'm as calm as it gets until you doing so |
| 18:56.53 | Estel_ | it was about harmattanm |
| 18:57.01 | Estel_ | hehehe |
| 18:57.11 | Macer | NIN101: or the android market? :) |
| 18:57.16 | Estel_ | well, better answer me why busybox is going to be updated with meaningless portrait support |
| 18:57.18 | Estel_ | in cssu |
| 18:57.44 | Estel_ | I know it's not question to you, as You're not maintainer, but still, i'm kinda surprised |
| 18:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: when you've seen worse things, then pretty please why did they happen? |
| 18:57.53 | Macer | buybox is going to be updated for portrait? |
| 18:58.10 | Macer | wouldn't that be more of an xterm issue? |
| 18:58.17 | Macer | or wm issue than busybox? |
| 18:58.18 | Estel_ | Macer, no idea, idk what it's all about |
| 18:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. WTF do you think something will happen despite I noticed the problem? |
| 18:58.33 | Estel_ | all i want to see in cssu regarding busybox is upstream updates, aka busybox-power |
| 18:58.50 | Macer | Estel_: i want to see a unicorn :) |
| 18:58.51 | NIN101 | Macer: it is probably true for most open source distris, but I think on maemo the situation is even worse as nobody really seems to care |
| 18:58.57 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, because you're not maintainer - despite that you like to sound like one - and maintainers aren't obliged to follow Your advices... |
| 18:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: stop wanting to see anything |
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| 18:59.05 | Estel_ | despite fact that I actually agree about suid bit thing |
| 18:59.07 | Estel_ | concerns |
| 18:59.18 | Macer | NIN101: yah well... for all intents and purposes other than a few dedicated devs .. maemo is dead ;) |
| 18:59.18 | Estel_ | etc |
| 18:59.37 | Estel_ | Macer, Maemo have more users and dedicated devs, that it even had before |
| 18:59.49 | Estel_ | hard to understand from point of lumnia user, who is satisfied with it as a phone, though :( |
| 19:00.14 | Macer | Estel_: i wasn't knocking maemo. i think it is awesome. i'm just saying that it is lacking in the community which it used to have |
| 19:00.18 | Estel_ | for all usability as mobile computer in pocket intents and purposes, there is still no alternative, no matter of we like it or not |
| 19:00.30 | Estel_ | in my eyes, it have more competent community than a year ago |
| 19:00.31 | Macer | i agree |
| 19:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: please take notice of https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu/ |
| 19:00.41 | Estel_ | and year ago it had more competent community than 2 years ago... etc |
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| 19:00.51 | Macer | but a discontinued device... eventually they will phase out |
| 19:00.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep estel |
| 19:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep joerg |
| 19:01.06 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, I have seen You have been asking merlin1991 today or yesterday to add You there |
| 19:01.12 | Estel_ | because someone wanted git or so goes on ;P |
| 19:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | again a "lie" |
| 19:01.32 | Estel_ | don't make me backscroll to quotation ;) |
| 19:01.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | please do |
| 19:01.43 | Macer | heh |
| 19:01.52 | Estel_ | in this meaning, both freeman and Pali could ask for same thing |
| 19:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you'll learn it been about *git* |
| 19:02.11 | Estel_ | well, so when it changed? You got officially promoted as CSSU maintainer? |
| 19:02.20 | Estel_ | pity that I haven't seen MWKN about it :( |
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| 19:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | up to you to find out truth about your lies |
| 19:02.31 | Macer | i miss lcuk :-/ |
| 19:02.39 | Estel_ | I'm eager to see bunchloads of contributions to CSSu code from you, now. No irony intended |
| 19:02.41 | Macer | he was comic relief here heh |
| 19:02.49 | Macer | and stskeeps :-/ |
| 19:03.02 | Estel_ | Stskeeps is here many times |
| 19:03.10 | Estel_ | otherwise, go to #mer and you will meet him ;0 |
| 19:03.10 | Macer | Estel_: not like the before time |
| 19:03.22 | Macer | he is concentrating on mer quite a bit |
| 19:03.26 | Estel_ | well, he is working on Mer, hard, udnerstandable that he is more interested in #mer |
| 19:03.56 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, so ass full-fledged maintainer, could You explain me this whole mess about updating busybox for "portrait support"? |
| 19:04.00 | Estel_ | I don't get it |
| 19:04.21 | Macer | you sure it was busybox? |
| 19:04.24 | Estel_ | s/ass/as/ |
| 19:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: actually I don't get it as well, I assume it's about some handling of termcaps |
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| 19:04.39 | Estel_ | I hope |
| 19:04.55 | Estel_ | and sorry for writing that you're not maintainer, I really wasn't aware |
| 19:05.08 | Estel_ | 3 weeks ago you were maintainer too? |
| 19:05.11 | javispedro | <Estel_> and year ago it had more competent community than 2 years ago... etc |
| 19:05.13 | javispedro | ... |
| 19:05.16 | Macer | Estel_: is that the awesome better than a year ago community you were talking about? |
| 19:05.19 | Macer | javispedro: lol! |
| 19:05.27 | Estel_ | javispedro, well, from someone inside Maemo Community, thats the feeling |
| 19:05.39 | Macer | Estel_: did you get a free N950? |
| 19:05.40 | Sicelo | heh |
| 19:05.53 | Estel_ | don't do sophism on simple missunderstanding about busybox - which may turn to be hoax anyway |
| 19:05.56 | javispedro | Estel_: I didn't even see you on IRC back when I last thought the maemo community was flourishing. |
| 19:06.08 | javispedro | it's been downhill since then... :( |
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| 19:06.13 | Estel_ | javispedro, well, udnerstandable, as You have left it - for msot intents and purposes - long ago :) |
| 19:06.18 | Macer | javispedro: heh. i agree. this place used to be great :) |
| 19:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: yes, nothing changed the last few months (or actaully whole year?) |
| 19:06.37 | Estel_ | but as far as I can tell, for most people than are more involved in Maemo than IRC, it's flourishing. |
| 19:06.43 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, so my bad |
| 19:06.47 | Estel_ | I admit that without spanking :) |
| 19:07.04 | javispedro | most of the people that did cool stuff have left. |
| 19:07.11 | Macer | Estel_: yeah but irc is where it all really happens lol.. web based stuff is just for reference :) |
| 19:07.14 | Macer | javispedro: yeah :( |
| 19:07.22 | Estel_ | could say same thing about meego and later mer. and today, mer doesn't look like "DeaD", yep? |
| 19:07.26 | Macer | there were some fun personalities here a few years ago |
| 19:07.38 | Estel_ | we have great bunch of awesome developers, that are doing even more astounishing work, that those who left did. |
| 19:07.46 | javispedro | this is certainly not dead. |
| 19:07.46 | Macer | Estel_: mer isn't the same as it was and had quite a few reboots as to its direction |
| 19:07.54 | Estel_ | for me, "competent community" is something more than funny talks on IRC |
| 19:07.58 | Estel_ | its smaller, for sure |
| 19:08.22 | Estel_ | but overall level of competentness rised, which suits my tastes, actually. I have many opportunities to learn from people heaven's more experienced than me |
| 19:08.32 | javispedro | but basically all the good things that come out these days are ways to squeeze the latest 0.01% in performance |
| 19:08.40 | Macer | Estel_: the problem is with maemo having quite a few closed bits and the inability to install it on another (newer?) device |
| 19:08.44 | Estel_ | Mace,r sure, and everything isn't the same since we were young and had enough potence to do it 20 times before dawn |
| 19:09.05 | Estel_ | but it's hardly a reason to disrespect current efforts, and iu wouldn't call it objective look, neither |
| 19:09.12 | Macer | Estel_: not really. it is just that most people lost interest.. as well as the fun spats :) |
| 19:09.25 | javispedro | Estel_: noone is disrepecting current efforts. but please don't disrespect everything that came before. |
| 19:09.26 | Estel_ | it seems that our definition of "most people" differ greatly :) |
| 19:09.28 | Macer | i remember stskeeps coming in here and starting a 3 hour debat on gpl vs lgpl heh |
| 19:09.34 | Estel_ | javispedro, I'm not. |
| 19:09.39 | Estel_ | people who did before made great things |
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| 19:09.49 | Estel_ | and they had they right to go into greener pastures, or to lose interest at all |
| 19:09.50 | Estel_ | it's all OK |
| 19:10.00 | Macer | Estel_: people who did before made most things .. most of the base.. most of the apps in the repos.. etc |
| 19:10.01 | Estel_ | nothing good or bad about it, that;s cycle of life. some people leave, some arrive |
| 19:10.25 | Macer | the ones who came before were also the main devs for cssu after nokia discontinued maemo |
| 19:10.47 | Estel_ | now we have more "tunneled" view, i.e. lest packages maintained, but those who are, are maintained like a hell, very actively. Before we had florusihing repos with 34234523432 projects, half of them half-baked - and it was OK for that time |
| 19:10.49 | Macer | ah well.. anyways... ttyl. have to clean. |
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| 19:11.04 | javispedro | Estel_: you have a point there. |
| 19:11.10 | Estel_ | now people choose where to spent their time well, but are loyal to own pet-projects, and ensure them to be top quality. |
| 19:11.45 | Estel_ | It's different, but from my personal point of view - and no one is enforced to share it - it's not "worse" or "better", just different stage of life. every project have such stages, IMO. |
| 19:12.07 | Estel_ | thanks, as I really don't want to sound like disrespecting former deeds, it was awesome for it's time, just different |
| 19:12.09 | Macer | Estel_: i'm just saying the hardware limitation of maemo will eventually lead to its fall |
| 19:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<javispedro> Estel_: noone is disrepecting current efforts. but please don't disrespect everything that came before.)) see, that's another commonly used trick, first say "3 years ago there were only fools, 1 year ago it got much more competence" then when somebody points to the fact this being incorrect, go and accuse the one pointing to it that he'd state "today there are only fools" |
| 19:12.33 | Macer | Estel_: find a way to flash a maemo image to my TF101 ;) and it might breed new life into it |
| 19:13.07 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, don't play judas here, we're not arguing :) |
| 19:13.17 | Estel_ | Macer, hardware considerations are all justified |
| 19:13.32 | Macer | Estel_: it is the main reason maemo is falling |
| 19:13.33 | Estel_ | if You ask me, Mer will be natural next step, when something *really* good show up |
| 19:13.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: I see the irony indeed :) |
| 19:13.43 | Estel_ | which doesn't mean abandoning my N90 0for many years, BTW |
| 19:13.47 | Macer | broken n900s without anything else to put maemo on... |
| 19:13.54 | javispedro | another double-edged sword ;P |
| 19:14.41 | Macer | just saying |
| 19:14.44 | Estel_ | all I was trying to sya by "more competent" is overall % of people skilled and more, of total percentage of people interested |
| 19:14.55 | Macer | maemo will eventually run out of viable hardare to run it on |
| 19:15.01 | Macer | with a few surviving N900s out there |
| 19:15.07 | Estel_ | Macer, wouldn't be afraid of it for many years |
| 19:15.21 | Macer | Estel_: heh. well. it would be nice to hve a hardware alternative |
| 19:15.25 | Estel_ | especiaslly considering people stacking up N900's, and how many are still available |
| 19:15.29 | Estel_ | of course |
| 19:15.36 | Macer | stacking up? ;) |
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| 19:15.42 | Macer | does nokia produce n900s anymore? |
| 19:15.54 | Macer | i know you used to be able to buy them from skype at a totally retarded price |
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| 19:16.01 | Estel_ | well, I *hope* that we're going to see sane FOSS platform, *before* N900 gets too rare, it may end up being pricey like N950 now ;P |
| 19:16.24 | javispedro | from skype? |
| 19:16.25 | javispedro | ah |
| 19:16.28 | javispedro | yeah, I remember |
| 19:16.35 | Estel_ | but I think that in 4 or 5 years from now, it wouldn't be so hard to buy N900, still |
| 19:16.39 | Macer | Estel_: if you can find a way to put a working fully functional maemo on anything then it would be the best thing that happened to a mobile true linux distro in years |
| 19:16.53 | Estel_ | Macer, sure, but that is called Mer, isn't it? |
| 19:16.58 | javispedro | exactly |
| 19:17.09 | Macer | Estel_: i haven't figured out a way to install mer easily on my tf101 |
| 19:17.10 | Macer | :-P |
| 19:17.11 | Estel_ | fact that free Ui still sucks a little (but it's greatly improved every month) doesn't depreciate it |
| 19:17.18 | Estel_ | so change hardware ;P |
| 19:17.33 | Macer | Estel_: to........? |
| 19:17.44 | Estel_ | <put hope for jolla here> |
| 19:18.07 | Estel_ | also vivaldi, if they ever manage to finish it |
| 19:18.09 | Macer | there is plenty of hardware with kernels etc that are accessable |
| 19:18.19 | Estel_ | it would have mer there in eyeblink |
| 19:18.20 | Macer | but no focus on showing people it can work on their hardware |
| 19:18.23 | Estel_ | I suspect closed blobs problems |
| 19:18.48 | Estel_ | I suspect that currently, it's more about focus on running on dedicated hardware (jolla) than scavenged one from android |
| 19:18.49 | Macer | if you coul dget mer/active on a tf101 you would see people buyign tf101s for like $1000 on ebay :-P |
| 19:18.54 | Estel_ | after all, why pay money to android |
| 19:19.00 | Estel_ | just to scrap it |
| 19:19.04 | Macer | Estel_: but the hardware is simple nvidia basted tegra stuff |
| 19:19.04 | Estel_ | and install something else |
| 19:19.09 | Estel_ | and feel problems with blobs |
| 19:19.13 | Macer | because the hardware is good |
| 19:19.22 | Macer | at the least better than anything you'll ever find running mer on it |
| 19:19.22 | Estel_ | nvidia is worse thing for FOSS, ever |
| 19:19.27 | Estel_ | in terms of hardware |
| 19:19.49 | Estel_ | no use for it, as hardware control things are so closed, that it's just resources for sake of resources |
| 19:19.54 | Estel_ | or for aiding them spying on You :P |
| 19:19.56 | Estel_ | effectively |
| 19:20.03 | Macer | the mer/active open source tablets are going to be some crap chinese company with low qa |
| 19:20.04 | Estel_ | and encrypt it on the fly ;) |
| 19:20.06 | Macer | like the touchbook |
| 19:20.09 | Macer | omg what a mess that thing was |
| 19:20.33 | Estel_ | vivaldi is one example of effort into scavenging android hardware. Jolla is example of effort with dedicated hardware |
| 19:20.44 | Estel_ | I don't need shit'n'giggle tegra resources, nvidia can kiss my ass |
| 19:20.50 | Estel_ | all i need is more ram :P |
| 19:20.55 | Macer | both of which will suck when compared to more stable and tested hardware |
| 19:21.09 | Macer | ie: higher quality name branded tablets |
| 19:21.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: JFYI on HARM, thanks aegis and per-binary-capabilities, it's basically meaningless if anything got SUID or not, and for sure it doesn't impact on security of system |
| 19:21.30 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, no idea, I'm absolutely noobish about harm |
| 19:21.52 | Estel_ | despite having device to learn it, it's so absurd operating system, that I can't make myself into learning it more |
| 19:22.01 | Estel_ | wil lend up installing Mer on N950, despite lacking hardware support, I suppose |
| 19:22.51 | Estel_ | btw, as for Mer, just "give" me hildon-like ui, instead of all those apple-clone or swipe-clone uis (swipe, what a hoax, it's useless), and i;ll be happy ;) |
| 19:23.37 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, btw, what a "virus" you want to implement abusing suid on busybox? Isn't it easier to make Your virus-script to use "root", as it's open on 99% of devices, anyway?:P |
| 19:24.27 | Estel_ | btw, maybe there is a viable way to use sudser package, instead of rootsh, without sacrificing conjveicence of using "root" command? i.e. profile things?> |
| 19:24.42 | Estel_ | You know, it should be easy to mod rootsh scripts to ask for password on "root" or "sudo gainroot" |
| 19:24.48 | Estel_ | once epr session |
| 19:24.50 | Estel_ | per* |
| 19:24.54 | Estel_ | instead making it free for all |
| 19:25.12 | Estel_ | or to use sudser, but mimin "root" script, with all it's profile gooddies |
| 19:26.00 | Estel_ | it's kind of a question, as I'm not experienced with sudo, unfortunatelly, hoever funny it sounds (as in configuring it much, not using :P ) |
| 19:26.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Estel_> You know, it should be easy to mod rootsh scripts to ask for password on "root" or "sudo gainroot")) |
| 19:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:26.26 | infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:26.38 | Estel_ | thanks |
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| 19:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB for semi-decent system security it neeeded a patch to HAM as well, as otherwise you can wipe all that by simply un/re-installing rootsh |
| 19:29.53 | Estel_ | fact |
| 19:30.00 | Estel_ | why cssu is doing that?:) |
| 19:30.16 | Estel_ | if it cares about suid for busybox (which, afaik, isn't the case for fremantle's busybox-power, at all) |
| 19:30.16 | zsolt_hun | hello.i downloaded nitubuntu.chrooted and installed kernel,but can't boot.i use bootmenu.mer,shr boots well with bootmenu |
| 19:31.20 | zsolt_hun | use n900 |
| 19:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry if my poor english again made you conclude wrong things and post them as if they were facts |
| 19:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/needed a patch/would need a patch/ |
| 19:32.33 | Estel_ | sure, thats why I'm asking |
| 19:32.46 | Estel_ | if cssu is sooo conerned about security, why won't it fix most obvious hole first? |
| 19:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | because CSSU is conservative |
| 19:33.12 | Estel_ | aka recommendation for not using rootsh as seen in repos - which 99% of people do - and ham |
| 19:33.18 | Estel_ | poor reasoning, i'm afraid. |
| 19:33.29 | Estel_ | you can't be half-virgin half-pregnant |
| 19:33.55 | Estel_ | or it turns out that, in fact, you're denying some changes, without carrying for other obvious holes, just for sake of personal prefferences. |
| 19:34.01 | Estel_ | I'm out for now, see ya! |
| 19:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, this again doesn't lead anywhere. You're welcome to contribute a proper patch, instead of ranting |
| 19:35.09 | zsolt_hun | i can see all over the web,that ubuntu boots up on n900,but I'm so sad,because i can't do that |
| 19:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: it turns out that you're insulting people and spreading lies about them, just for sake of your personal preferences (which seem to be arguing for the fun of arguing) |
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| 19:40.58 | sicelo_ | zsolt_hun: you've read the ubuntu on n900 thread? |
| 19:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | (btw wtf a lame suggestion is THAT, regarding system security: >>recommendation for not using rootsh as seen in repos - which 99% of people do - and ham<< What will stop any intruder from using those?) |
| 19:41.49 | zsolt_hun | yes,i did everything as described,but still can't boot |
| 19:42.47 | zsolt_hun | extracted nitubuntu to card but there wasn't any kernel in the /boot |
| 19:43.05 | sicelo_ | zsolt_hun: maybe you have a 'bad' N900 that can't quite use the 'improved' bootmenu (mine included) |
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| 19:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: I guess you were in a hurry to find something you could accuse me of, and thus had no time to properly think about that lame idea for "security" |
| 19:44.29 | zsolt_hun | could you link me the right bootmenu's download link? |
| 19:45.15 | sicelo_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 19:45.31 | sicelo_ | might not work for you. at least doesn't for me |
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| 19:48.44 | zsolt_hun | well,i use the bootmenu-n900,when detaching the keyboard shows up bootmenu.vesrsion of linux where kernel included works fine |
| 19:49.59 | Sicelo | ah, you're lucky then. mine refuses to boot any kernel at all, even omap, using that version of bootmenu |
| 19:51.25 | zsolt_hun | still can't understand why booting hangs when try to boot nitubuntu |
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| 19:52.22 | zsolt_hun | chrooted,installed ubuntu n900 kernel,initrd and vmlinuz generated |
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| 19:53.40 | zsolt_hun | i came here,because in nitubuntu channel is empty |
| 19:54.35 | Sicelo | see if making a post at TMO won't help you. i haven't used Ubuntu on N900 . I've only used Debian |
| 19:55.38 | Sicelo | because i' have'nt any luck with bootmenu+uboot, i use flasher to get my kernel onto N900 |
| 19:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems Estel_just refuses to grok that CSSU by definition won't distribute anything that better gets distributed via normal repositories. Which, when you think ahead from there, in turn implies that CSSU is NOT the maemo incarnation of cyanogen mod (aka "the new altenative better maemo"), rather CSSU is improving on maemo5 original, which particularly means it won't add additional restricions to users' freedom of choice, from what we |
| 19:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | already got on original maemo |
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| 19:59.11 | zsolt_hun | tryed debian too |
| 19:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | all those whiners going "I got acme solution for XY, it's already in extras-devel for quite some time now, and rock solid. WTF don't you finally include it to CSSU?" already missed the point before starting to speak. I think they just want to participate from CSSU to force their acme package on more users, which is exactly NOT what CSSU is all about |
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| 20:17.51 | Kild | is there a easy way to flash firmware on the NOKIA N900 |
| 20:19.04 | zsolt_hun | yes,there is |
| 20:19.10 | zsolt_hun | use flasher |
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| 20:21.07 | zsolt_hun | what OS do you use? |
| 20:21.59 | zsolt_hun | if linux 64 don't download flasher64,it doesn't work,use 32 bit instead |
| 20:28.37 | Kild | win 7 it does not work when i put the usb in |
| 20:29.05 | Sicelo | ~flashing |
| 20:29.06 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:29.33 | Sicelo | zsolt_hun: looks like arch linux guy is also active on time these days |
| 20:31.40 | Sicelo | s/time/tmo/ |
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| 21:09.36 | Lava_Croft | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 but i guess Kild left |
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| 21:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: is there a proper instruction how to run something "as administrator" under windows? (sorry, windows noob here) |
| 21:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought I once heard sth about holding shift while clicking on some menu entry, or whatever |
| 21:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe even better: is there something similar to "su -" for windows cmd shell? |
| 21:49.06 | beford | no |
| 21:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | bedmhm, thanks |
| 21:49.16 | beford | right click, run as administrator |
| 21:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | beford: ^^^ |
| 21:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, so you could do that on cmd itself? |
| 21:50.17 | beford | yea, type cmd on the search box, when cmd appears on the menu right click it |
| 21:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I.E. right click on "open dosbox" or whatever it's called) |
| 21:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | incredible if there's no way to change user on commandline in windows |
| 21:51.34 | beford | there used to be runas.exe |
| 21:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, must relate to window and shell being just one process on that "OS" |
| 21:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah, runas.exe :-) |
| 21:53.05 | beford | yea but since windows vista it's not only running as a different user, even if your user has administrator privileges, when you start a shell or app by default it doesn't have those privileges so there is this new "run as administrator" menu entry |
| 21:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigh, yeah, they got those per-invocation requesters as a 'fix' for everybody and his dog usually running under admin rights anyway |
| 21:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, I forgot |
| 21:55.05 | beford | yea, UAC and people just disable it so heh |
| 21:55.17 | beford | >> It aims to improve the security of Microsoft Windows by limiting application software to standard user privileges until an administrator authorizes an increase or elevation. << |
| 21:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, UAC been the "name" |
| 21:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds a bit like aegis ;-P |
| 21:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | only that with aegis, only Nokia can authorize elevate |
| 21:57.37 | beford | and itsnotabigtruck :P |
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| 22:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed ;-) |
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| 22:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw ((<Estel_> and year ago it had more competent community than 2 years ago... <Estel_> javispedro, well, from someone inside Maemo Community, thats the feeling)) actually I pretty much believe that's correct. Quite some part of "community" indeed came late and now thinks they are the smartest bunch ever, and all they have for those on whose shoulders they're standing is despise |
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| 22:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't mean this is justified by anything though |
| 22:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/that's correct/the second quote is correct/ |
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