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| 15:09.35 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 15:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
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| 15:12.28 | Pali | who was able to write this stupid copy algorithm in KDE4? |
| 15:13.00 | teotwaki | infobot: welcome back! |
| 15:13.00 | infobot | Welcome to the party, back!! |
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| 15:13.37 | Pali | I did not belive that there is developer which can write this copy code for block/character devices... |
| 15:13.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: those who wrote whole KDE4 >:-( |
| 15:14.24 | Pali | do you know any working file manager for linux? |
| 15:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~welcome teotwaki |
| 15:14.27 | infobot | teotwaki, Sup yo? |
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| 15:14.59 | Pali | all kde apps using KIO, so every kde file manager is buggy |
| 15:15.38 | Pali | mc is bad too, there is no *proper* for ftp |
| 15:15.51 | teotwaki | ~welcome infobot |
| 15:15.51 | infobot | infobot, Sup yo? |
| 15:15.52 | Pali | and no working smb or ssh... |
| 15:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh in mc should work, no? |
| 15:17.03 | Pali | it using some kind of fish... |
| 15:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, yep. seen sth like that |
| 15:17.55 | Pali | it writing all stdout/stderr to terminal |
| 15:18.09 | Pali | and damange mc curses gui |
| 15:19.00 | Pali | and ftp implementation of ftp except that ftp ls command has format of ls -l |
| 15:19.30 | Pali | smb is for some reason disabled in some distributions |
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| 16:42.06 | Estel_ | freemangordon, ping |
| 16:42.46 | Estel_ | Pali, who ported compat-bluetooth as optional modules for kernel-power (separatae package in past, and integrated currently) |
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| 16:43.23 | Estel_ | MrPingu, are You aware, that free N900 is awaiting for You?:) |
| 16:43.41 | MrPingu | Estel_: Yes, I even replied ;) |
| 16:43.47 | Estel_ | nice to hear |
| 16:44.14 | MrPingu | Had seen it earlier but didn't have to time write a reply :P |
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| 17:05.42 | inkbottle | hi, would there be something like an emergency terminal, or a terminal without X? in case the device has gone really bad |
| 17:07.21 | MrPingu | inkbottle: only if you installed recoveryboot or backupmenu before... |
| 17:07.30 | Estel_ | inkbottle, backupmenu and it's recovery shell |
| 17:07.34 | Estel_ | or what MrPingu said :) |
| 17:09.19 | Estel_ | freemangordon, Pali, broadcom claims, that model of bluetooth adaptor we have in N900 is able to upgrade to bluetooth 3.0 via software, IF device have also access to 802.11 one, too (Wifi) |
| 17:09.20 | inkbottle | I don't think i've installed those. But a recovery shell would be great |
| 17:09.48 | Estel_ | as bluetooth 3.0 is nothing else than 2.1 + high-speed data transfer over 802.11, negotiated by bluetooth 2.1 |
| 17:09.58 | Estel_ | bluetooth stack in N900 is bluez, from mainstream |
| 17:10.26 | Estel_ | I wonder if using newest bluetooth-compat and wireless-compat for our wifi, could we convince our bluetooth stack to gain 3.0 capabilities? |
| 17:10.54 | Estel_ | hardware-wise seems possible, and mainstream bluez even have some "agent" to "interrogate" chip's firmware, if it can accept firmware upgrade |
| 17:11.19 | Estel_ | maybe updating bluez would be a way to go? Is it related to bluetooth-compat drivers, available from KP, at all? |
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| 17:17.07 | MrPingu | That would be great, an upgrade to BT 3.0 :P |
| 17:21.27 | Estel_ | it seems that by all means, hardware-wise it's possible. I just wonder if some closed source bloat doesn't prevent us from that |
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| 17:22.00 | Estel_ | if no, it's just matter of someone who would like to take it, and have skills (or will and time to gain them) necessary - which isn't entirely easy in our world, where everyone is overprojected :P |
| 17:22.10 | Estel_ | be it software or hardware wise |
| 17:22.44 | Estel_ | even me, who isn't skilled coder at all - I'm doing replacement body, things around Ed and truecrypt, etc, etc, and result is that 2 raspberry Pi's are lying on my desk for 3 weeks, untouched |
| 17:24.03 | Estel_ | it's great to have "fresh blood", especially as talented as zeq, for example, who out-of-nowhere (almost) joined our KP_CSSU team :) |
| 17:33.09 | Estel_ | any idea about it, anyone? |
| 17:33.10 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1255008#post1255008 |
| 17:33.39 | Estel_ | it's kinda dumb, with allt hings we can do, not being able to auto-save photos to encrypted partition (or any other than mmcblk0p1) |
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| 17:50.01 | Estel_ | chem|st, might delete this topic? |
| 17:50.02 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1254684 |
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| 17:51.43 | sixwheeledbeast | I see no reason why not. |
| 17:52.09 | sixwheeledbeast | There isn't a fragment of useful information there |
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| 17:57.30 | RiD | hello guys... guess what, my phone's microUSB broke! i knew this day was coming |
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| 18:00.03 | RiD | now errr |
| 18:00.14 | RiD | the microusb female thingy is attached to the charging cable |
| 18:00.26 | RiD | so i didn't pull it out yet, but it's 100% loose inside, so not glued anymore |
| 18:00.28 | MrPingu | :( |
| 18:00.43 | RiD | err how do i pull that thing without #%(/ even more? |
| 18:00.56 | RiD | its a sad day for penguin |
| 18:04.39 | RiD | I already got it out.... oh well |
| 18:04.49 | RiD | at least the phone is not broken |
| 18:05.45 | Sicelo | ~usbfix |
| 18:05.45 | infobot | it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 18:05.57 | Sicelo | RiD: ^^ |
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| 18:10.36 | RiD | Sicelo oh well |
| 18:11.56 | RiD | 2 years and 2 months... |
| 18:17.26 | RiD | "plugged in, doesn't work. Hmm weird, let me try to plug out and plug in back" |
| 18:17.34 | RiD | "doesn't work. Meh i'll plug out" |
| 18:17.41 | RiD | and then the female came with it |
| 18:24.58 | sixwheeledbeast | RiD: I suggest you file your charger plug down too as per post 2 on that thread, seems to help reduce issues. |
| 18:25.21 | RiD | it's already too late, but i surely will do if i manage to fix it |
| 18:25.23 | RiD | (the phone usb) |
| 18:26.32 | sixwheeledbeast | I gather that it's a bit late now but it's worth doing IMO, good luck with repairing |
| 18:27.08 | RiD | my father will try to repair it as he's quite used to fixing electronic devices, etc. |
| 18:27.28 | RiD | The problem is that his eyesight isn't that good anymore, and the usb thing is tiny |
| 18:28.47 | RiD | first thing to do is to open it without breaking anything, haha |
| 18:32.04 | sixwheeledbeast | This maybe helpful too ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20 |
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| 19:16.56 | sixwheeledbeast | Have you seen this "Frankeinsteinian arrangement" yet lol. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86279 |
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| 19:38.59 | Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, lol |
| 19:39.02 | Estel_ | what a demolition |
| 19:39.12 | Estel_ | honestly, I would never do something like that to save 2$ on port... |
| 19:39.31 | Estel_ | and trade carrying female-to-female hostmode adaptor for carrying male-to-male cable for normal connection and charging :P |
| 19:39.40 | Estel_ | sounds like bad trade-off, but if it works for him... |
| 19:39.55 | Estel_ | funny, for hostmode with charging, he need Y-cable with 3 male ends |
| 19:40.00 | Estel_ | must be looking fine |
| 19:41.59 | sixwheeledbeast | I couldn't believe it, when I looked at the pictures |
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| 20:24.41 | samator | hhello! |
| 20:26.18 | samator | i need ideas for what to do with an old retired n900. |
| 20:26.40 | sixwheeledbeast | use it? |
| 20:26.51 | samator | not sure if i wana sell it, so still thinking of how this device could be useful |
| 20:27.20 | samator | sixwheeledbeast : using an iphone 4s atm |
| 20:27.42 | Estel_ | samator, considering that You're using inferior device now, and it suits your taste |
| 20:27.54 | Estel_ | no idea what You may do with n900 :) Is it still working fine? |
| 20:28.24 | Estel_ | for example, I'm pentesting my network now, with ettercap, sniffing own router password... Kind of practice.... ;) |
| 20:28.37 | Estel_ | I'm not entirely sure if Your use case match features of N900, though :D |
| 20:29.13 | samator | well in that case yes it is inferior |
| 20:29.41 | samator | but the apps are of better quality in general |
| 20:30.16 | Estel_ | I wouldn't call anything written for apple "a better quality", at all |
| 20:30.21 | Estel_ | but thats philosophical dispute :) |
| 20:30.30 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't agree, more of them but not better quality |
| 20:30.51 | Estel_ | I don't see much reason or way to convince You that using Debian programs via easy debian on N900, on full LXDE desktop, is better... |
| 20:31.02 | Estel_ | or even normal Maemo ones |
| 20:31.17 | Estel_ | in any type. Games? try running Homeworld (real one, not some mobile pseudo-port) on iphone |
| 20:31.24 | Estel_ | or jagged alliance ;) |
| 20:31.30 | Estel_ | or X-Plane |
| 20:31.31 | Estel_ | or... |
| 20:31.39 | Estel_ | office suite? LibreOffice. Dot. :P |
| 20:31.46 | Estel_ | GIMP |
| 20:31.50 | Estel_ | TrueCrypt |
| 20:31.56 | Estel_ | hostmode for usb devices |
| 20:32.20 | Estel_ | resistive screen with pressure sensitivity, so You can paint better than on wacom painting tablet (see TMO thread for drawings) |
| 20:32.30 | Estel_ | etc etc |
| 20:33.13 | Estel_ | surre, apple's garden have 234236567325462385 "apps", but msot of them do the same thing, in 5-6 groups. They have apps, we have programs, I use to say :) |
| 20:33.54 | Estel_ | so if You preffer iphone, well, sell Your N90 0to someone who will be using it hapilly. No idea what you could do, otherwise, if You already exchanged it for inferior device |
| 20:34.06 | Estel_ | IDK, maybe voip phone? |
| 20:34.42 | Estel_ | no much reason to not use n900 all the tiem + benefit from real voip capabilities, but... Some people used N800 as voip phone for his parents, You could do the same with n900, despite fact that it's big waste for such amazing device. |
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| 20:37.28 | RiD | lol |
| 20:38.31 | RiD | i'll go to nokia idon't*care* once again and see for how much they would fix my n900 issues |
| 20:38.34 | sixwheeledbeast | I think he's gone to check the apple store for hostmode... :) |
| 20:38.39 | RiD | ^haha |
| 20:38.53 | RiD | i was actually setting up some stuff to make use of hostmode when the usb suicided so |
| 20:39.28 | RiD | no hostmode 'till it's fixed |
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| 20:47.04 | merlin1991 | hehe, I once used hostmode to play a video file form my external hdd to my tv, turned out that was too much processing and it stuttered all the time |
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| 20:47.26 | merlin1991 | though after copying it to the emmc it played fine |
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| 20:48.16 | Estel_ | merlin1991, strange |
| 20:48.50 | Estel_ | it shouldn't be much processing to read file form external hd, even if our hostmode is indeed limited to 4MB/s |
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| 21:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | °F/°C bug with MeeCast and sowatch 0.4.1 |
| 21:17.51 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: which watch do you have? |
| 21:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, the original digital. |
| 21:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | I also ordered a graphite STRATA |
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| 21:22.14 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: Metawatch strata? |
| 21:22.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 21:22.23 | ZogG_laptop | one on kickstarter? |
| 21:22.51 | ZogG_laptop | i wanted but to costy for only 5 days battery and it accept only amazon. i don't have it and don't want it. i prefer paypal |
| 21:23.07 | GeneralAntilles | Uh |
| 21:23.13 | GeneralAntilles | How is it too costly for 5-days battery? |
| 21:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | Do you wear your watch to bed? |
| 21:25.05 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: nope, but i don't think watch should be recharged every week. as well i have problems to charge things. i do it with phone only coz it's mostly half-dead or dead by time i go to sleep |
| 21:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, well, don't expect to own a Bluetooth watch any time soon. :) |
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| 21:26.41 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: at least month :P |
| 21:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not going to happen. |
| 21:26.57 | GeneralAntilles | I charge mine every night |
| 21:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | It really doesn't bother me. |
| 21:28.53 | Estel_ | meta watch is very fine, but tragically overpriced for my taste |
| 21:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | Way cheaper than a real watch. |
| 21:29.32 | Estel_ | and honestly, I remember, when one guy did something like that for N900, based on arduino mini or smth like that, I though "who would ever need something like that?" :P |
| 21:29.37 | Estel_ | w00t? |
| 21:29.50 | Estel_ | maybe compared to some gold ones |
| 21:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 21:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | Compared to pretty much any decent watch |
| 21:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | Those usually start around ~$300 |
| 21:30.20 | Estel_ | erm, how much meta watch costs? maybe I'm not informed correctly? |
| 21:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | Was $199 |
| 21:30.29 | vi__ | GeneralAntilles: wtf |
| 21:30.32 | Estel_ | no, seriously, |
| 21:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | The Kickstarter was $159 |
| 21:30.45 | vi__ | casio f91w=$10 |
| 21:30.46 | Estel_ | You're talking about "decent" watches, or some where You pay for name? |
| 21:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | No, not paying for name |
| 21:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'm talking about good quality entry-level jewelry watches. |
| 21:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | vi__, different category. |
| 21:31.23 | Estel_ | call me poor man, i've payed 50$ for mine, and it's working like a charm for years - considered it pricey, at the time |
| 21:31.34 | Estel_ | but metawatch isn't jewelry |
| 21:32.02 | Estel_ | jewel ones are expensive, sure, but it's paying for, erm, just like ipod :p |
| 21:32.12 | ZogG_laptop | but it has bluetooth and nice stuff to pair with n900 and n9 |
| 21:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | I get comments on mine at least once a week |
| 21:32.16 | Estel_ | I would expect funcionality, funcionality, and funcionality, from bluetooth watch |
| 21:32.19 | GeneralAntilles | (and I don't go out that often) |
| 21:32.35 | ZogG_laptop | and decent watch is still about that price |
| 21:32.40 | Estel_ | erm, just like with any expensive-not-too-usable-gadget |
| 21:32.46 | Estel_ | metawatch is actually usable |
| 21:32.51 | Estel_ | but I would hardly pay half the price |
| 21:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, clearly it's not a product for you, then. |
| 21:33.07 | ZogG_laptop | if not battery and i having moeny prooblem i would buy |
| 21:33.20 | Estel_ | not to mentio nthat i'm not necessary target group, due to my mentioned "who would need to use that?" I suppose, that there are many people, that would find good use case for it |
| 21:33.51 | ZogG_laptop | i had casio in army for about that price and it could survive any weather or situation(even throwing it at wall) |
| 21:34.11 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, don't get me wrong - i'm not criticizing idea - I think that some people would really feel it comfortable (while for me, idea of forwarding things from portable enough device to watch is ridicolous) |
| 21:34.14 | Estel_ | but price... |
| 21:34.15 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, did it let you incoming alerts on your wrist? |
| 21:34.37 | Estel_ | where do you have benefit of vibra on wrist vs vibr aon pocket?:P |
| 21:34.49 | Estel_ | vibra on pocket* sorry for typos |
| 21:35.00 | GeneralAntilles | I never feel vibra in pocket. |
| 21:35.07 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: nope, i bought it just for army and it worked for about 4 years or more with one battery :P |
| 21:35.09 | Estel_ | the more I talk about it, the more it looks like pricey gadget. This one at least seems to be free software friendly |
| 21:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | I also hate having to yank my phone out of my pocket to look at it. |
| 21:35.30 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, why not half-transparent glasses with screen :P |
| 21:35.38 | Estel_ | you wouldn't ever need to change viewing angle |
| 21:36.09 | Estel_ | seriously though, I agree, it may be comfortable in some situations. I definitelly doesn't need it, but I can imagine that people may get accustomed to this way of itneracting with mobile computer/phone in pocket |
| 21:36.17 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, as of yet, nobody makes those for consumers yet |
| 21:36.22 | ZogG_laptop | Estel_: you can use it while riding bike or when you can't reach pocket. you can use it faster to switch music, read msg/email. to track the speed or mp while running and so on. it can be usefull. |
| 21:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | Also: Google's version is $1500. |
| 21:36.27 | Estel_ | it's jsut the price that put it into "more-gadget-than-useful" for me |
| 21:36.30 | ZogG_laptop | and price is fair as it's new market there |
| 21:36.47 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, lol @ google's version |
| 21:36.49 | Estel_ | well |
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| 21:36.59 | Estel_ | if I would make them, i would probably never charge less for them, then :P |
| 21:37.13 | ZogG_laptop | wait, in half year those would be as part of mobile :P |
| 21:37.25 | Estel_ | still, not my cup of tea, but i'm sympathetic, as it seems to be 100% FOS(S) spirit, yes? |
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| 21:37.46 | ZogG_laptop | Estel_: i think it's pretty cheap for something barely existing. there are few of them and most of them are from kickstarter : |
| 21:37.49 | ZogG_laptop | p |
| 21:38.02 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, software is open yes? How hardware looks there? |
| 21:38.06 | Estel_ | are they going to patent design?:P |
| 21:38.26 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, whose software? |
| 21:38.32 | Estel_ | running on metawatch |
| 21:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 21:38.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's open. |
| 21:38.52 | Estel_ | I wonder, if it's moddable easily. Of course, if someone would dare to mod jewelery :P |
| 21:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, you can load your own stuff on there without much trouble. |
| 21:39.24 | ZogG_laptop | Estel_: don't think hardware moddable easily |
| 21:39.28 | GeneralAntilles | https://github.com/MetaWatchOpenProjects |
| 21:39.32 | Estel_ | sounds nice. If they're not going to patent hardware things (design, etc), I might be their target group, after all, just for sake of supporting nice projects |
| 21:39.45 | ZogG_laptop | but software seems pretty nice. as well with n9 support already :P |
| 21:40.11 | ZogG_laptop | Estel_: why they shouldn't patent? |
| 21:40.28 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, I wonder if software stack is easidly migrate-able for DIY things, like one guy did with arduino-mini, bluetooth stack, and custom made parts. |
| 21:40.43 | Estel_ | ZogG, jsut my personal punk'ish anti-patent philosophy ;) |
| 21:40.58 | Estel_ | I think that it leads to patent trolling, always, just earlier or later |
| 21:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | Haha. Two watches. Awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQMqK4ziz_E |
| 21:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | I had not thought of that. |
| 21:41.15 | Estel_ | waves "hi" to stupid USA jury |
| 21:41.23 | ZogG_laptop | Estel_: that's why you need to patent as you gonna be sued even if you not :P |
| 21:41.36 | Estel_ | and they complain, when women wear useless jewelery, eh?:P |
| 21:41.59 | Estel_ | I don't like patents, since patent office denied me patenting a wheel |
| 21:43.11 | ZogG_laptop | anyway he has android and iphone4S so if you OpenSource where is maemo/mer ? |
| 21:43.20 | Estel_ | OTOH, 5 days battery for such device feels awesome |
| 21:43.24 | Estel_ | I mean, very long uptime |
| 21:43.43 | ShadowJK | Estel_; an australian guy already has that patent |
| 21:43.45 | Estel_ | comparing normal watches lifetime on battery is comapring grapples to orranges, especially, that normal ones doesn't have rechargeable one |
| 21:44.00 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, that's wh ythey to;d me to start walking upside down?:P |
| 21:44.27 | ShadowJK | and apple has patent on rectangle and triangle |
| 21:44.30 | Estel_ | ZogG, I don't care what guy on vide is using personally, ih he make open source thing, that we can use with N900 without fighting with it |
| 21:44.32 | Estel_ | RE'ing it |
| 21:44.32 | Estel_ | etc |
| 21:44.43 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, are we going to patent fractals? |
| 21:44.50 | ZogG_laptop | i think there is package for n900 |
| 21:44.51 | Estel_ | and who owns square? |
| 21:45.15 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, You know what i'm dreaming of? wonder if will happen during my lifetime? |
| 21:45.19 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7FisaZsKM |
| 21:45.24 | Estel_ | contact lens with special functions :) |
| 21:45.49 | Estel_ | they have already succesfuly introduced conductive patches there, without eye suffering from wearing |
| 21:45.56 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyIET0gWJ0 and wt quick demo :P |
| 21:46.21 | Estel_ | my personal all-winner device - contact lens with function of multyplying light input (to be enabled via remote, during nighttime, for example) |
| 21:46.38 | Estel_ | things like semi-transparent screen on contact lense is just icing on cake |
| 21:46.43 | Estel_ | on top* |
| 21:46.44 | Estel_ | whatever |
| 21:47.17 | ZogG_laptop | we all be like in that pixar animated movie |
| 21:47.26 | ZogG_laptop | WALL-E |
| 21:47.32 | Estel_ | heck, I would even accept contact lenses that need applying some liquid (like eye medicals) to activate boosting light, and another one to deactivate it... but no much reason for it, after all, it can be controlled remotely via electronic |
| 21:47.36 | Estel_ | hehe |
| 21:47.53 | Estel_ | like it or not, bujt I'm 100% sure that screens on contact lenses WILL happen |
| 21:48.06 | Estel_ | I'm jsut wondering if night vision wil lcome there too ;) |
| 21:48.43 | Estel_ | or reverse IR filter, + strong IR diodes on clothing. Hah! my kind of jewelery |
| 21:49.31 | ZogG_laptop | i don't think we have still good night vision equipment |
| 21:49.47 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, do you plan to cover freemangordon's annoucement (on maemo-development mailing list) about stable thumb2 on Maemo officialy confirmed to be flawless? |
| 21:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, didn't see it. |
| 21:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | Tweet a link to @mwkn. |
| 21:50.10 | Estel_ | youre subscribed to maemo-development? |
| 21:50.13 | ZogG_laptop | i used and see some stuff in army, but still it's not that usefull. i would prefer good pocket light :P |
| 21:50.17 | Estel_ | I don't use tweeter, don't remember?:P |
| 21:50.35 | Estel_ | ZogG, but honestly, you claim to preffer ScamPal.. erm, paypal over amazon is LOL |
| 21:50.56 | Estel_ | PayPal is most idiotic, thievish, PITA quasi-bank ever |
| 21:51.16 | Estel_ | ZogG, currently available - even for civils - night visions devices satisfy me |
| 21:51.32 | Estel_ | monoculars with powerful IR diodes or reflectors are kinda OK, for up to 500 m |
| 21:51.50 | Estel_ | basically, it's all about power of IR light beam you may create |
| 21:52.11 | ZogG_laptop | Estel_: i don't want amazon as it doesn't properly support my country and it doesn't even send things here except books :P |
| 21:52.21 | Estel_ | I see |
| 21:52.27 | Estel_ | but PayPal is anti-trustable company |
| 21:52.30 | Estel_ | in essence |
| 21:52.38 | ZogG_laptop | i use it only for ebay and it seems fine |
| 21:52.44 | ZogG_laptop | i don't keep money there as well |
| 21:52.48 | Estel_ | sure, as it's e-bay sub-project :p |
| 21:52.55 | ZogG_laptop | so it's ok for me |
| 21:53.01 | ZogG_laptop | made for ebay and used for ebay :P |
| 21:53.15 | Estel_ | used by e-bay* |
| 21:53.22 | Estel_ | as long as e-bay don't want to f*** you, youre fine |
| 21:53.27 | Estel_ | but ebay is their customer, not You |
| 21:53.35 | Estel_ | it's like giving own money to mafia, for safe keeping |
| 21:54.23 | Estel_ | paypal doesn't even respect law enforcement - it think it have right to freely take money from your account, up to 6 months after transaction |
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| 21:54.55 | Estel_ | in fact, in my country, I'm starting a little anti-PayPal campaing, including goverment agencies, as IMO, PayPal is breaking law in many, many points |
| 21:55.15 | Estel_ | OTOH, bitcoins price seems to be stabilized around 4-5 USD for bitcoin |
| 21:55.18 | Estel_ | for a year or so |
| 21:55.39 | Estel_ | maybe it will stabilize even more, so i'll be able to show paypal middle finger even more than I did actually |
| 21:56.37 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, and this meta-watch, does it at least keep time OK without constant synchro with phone? |
| 21:57.10 | Estel_ | probably hard to say, without testing for a 6 months or so :P |
| 21:57.24 | Estel_ | and I hardly see anyone having it to wear it without phone connection for 6 months... |
| 21:58.37 | ZogG_laptop | Estel_: i had this in army ( the huge thing on top is for night vision) http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:M4w-att.jpg |
| 21:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, it does, but it's really not useful without a phone. |
| 21:59.02 | ZogG_laptop | and i used smaller versions for one eye only, that you can put |
| 22:01.11 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, erm, i hope that it acts likle regular watch without phone? |
| 22:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | It does. |
| 22:01.41 | Estel_ | ZogG, lovely old M4 |
| 22:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | But it's sort of pointless have a $200 Bluetooth watch if you're not going to have something connected to it. |
| 22:02.12 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, jewelery watches costing much more are not connected too :P But I agree |
| 22:02.50 | Estel_ | Well, I must admit that it like it, with Open nature being most magnetic part |
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| 22:19.11 | zsolt_hun | hi there.formatted from pc the internal 27gb storage card.but it is ot accesible inside my n900 |
| 22:21.40 | Estel_ | zsolt_hun, still here? |
| 22:21.47 | Estel_ | have You formatted it as vfat |
| 22:21.50 | Estel_ | (fat32)? |
| 22:21.58 | zsolt_hun | yes,fat32 |
| 22:22.16 | Estel_ | please, become root, and give me output of: |
| 22:22.17 | Estel_ | mount |
| 22:22.26 | Estel_ | (using pastebing or something like that) |
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| 22:22.49 | Estel_ | also, write /dev/mmcblk0 and use tab for autocompletion (twice), give me result of this |
| 22:22.50 | zsolt_hun | made 2 partitions,an 8gb ext3 and the less vfat |
| 22:22.56 | Estel_ | I see |
| 22:22.59 | Estel_ | vfat msut be first partition |
| 22:23.06 | Estel_ | s/msut/must/ |
| 22:23.28 | Estel_ | /dev/mmcblk0p1 must be vfat, format less whatever You like. size of vfat is also irrelevant |
| 22:23.44 | Estel_ | You've probably created first partition as ext3, yes? |
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| 22:25.40 | zsolt_hun | yes,that's the problem |
| 22:27.32 | zsolt_hun | thank you |
| 22:27.51 | Estel_ | :) glad to help |
| 22:28.00 | zsolt_hun | :) |
| 22:28.19 | ShadowJK | When accessing through PC, there must not be a partition table at all |
| 22:35.42 | zsolt_hun | formatted the first part as fat32 27gb and the less with ext3 8gb |
| 22:36.11 | zsolt_hun | but can't mount it inside phoe |
| 22:36.16 | zsolt_hun | phone |
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| 22:45.34 | ShadowJK | If you're trying to repartition the emmc, it can't be done in mass storage mode from PC |
| 22:46.40 | zsolt_hun | ok,that was the problem,thank you |
| 22:47.09 | zsolt_hun | trying with mk2fs iside phone |
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| 22:51.51 | ShadowJK | Well, if you mke2fs on patition 2, you'll find your device doesn't boot anymore |
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| 22:52.46 | ShadowJK | There's probably a wiki article on how to "safely" repartition emmc |
| 22:54.38 | zsolt_hun | i trying to find it |
| 23:03.14 | RiD | Estel_ , until there's special contact lenses out there, you can train your eye to look with an offset at night |
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| 23:43.50 | Estel_ | RiD, what offset?0_o? |
| 23:49.07 | RiD | well, i'm no |
| 23:49.15 | RiD | *i'm no expert and all |
| 23:49.44 | RiD | but the "center" of your eye thing (apologize for my lack of english eye terms knowledge) doesn't receive as much as light as the part around it |
| 23:50.36 | RiD | so if you get used at looking with some vertical offset (or horizontall, depends on your situation) and then focus on what would be the center if you didn't add offset |
| 23:50.41 | RiD | you will see more light |
| 23:51.18 | RiD | horizontal*. For example, pretend you are in a house with the lights turned off, and you live in a place where there's only one or two illumination posts outside, and no traffic or any other bright light |
| 23:51.39 | RiD | you will see the night sky brighter when you're not directly looking at the window |
| 23:51.47 | RiD | but when you look at it, it kind of disappears |
| 23:52.06 | RiD | ^rough and plain non technical explanation |
| 23:53.06 | RiD | Estel_ http://www.wikihow.com/See-in-the-Dark. FIrst tip explains it properly |
| 23:54.14 | Estel_ | thanks, will definitelly read it. For some reasons, I see i nthe dark better than most people - always roaming freely, where other people use lights - but improving it even more would be nice :) |
| 23:54.53 | RiD | Me too, but that's partially because i'm color blind |
| 23:55.15 | RiD | My father knew some school buddies which had pretty awesome night vision. |
| 23:55.24 | RiD | he said their eyes would glow a little bit at night lol |
| 23:55.35 | Estel_ | hehe, last one was definitelly a joke ;) |
| 23:56.16 | Estel_ | but, in fact, never though about this side effect of being color-blind. I'm not, and during night it also take less light for me to lose color orientation, than others |
| 23:56.36 | RiD | I wouldn't be that sure |
| 23:56.48 | RiD | http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/01/x-men-irl-chinese-mutant-can-see-in-the-dark |
| 23:57.46 | RiD | that article is kind of a conspiration joke, but the chinese kid part is legit |
| 23:58.32 | Estel_ | he, he |
