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| 01:33.18 | Luke-Jr | Estel_: meh, I never said it was ultimate speaker protection; I said it was better than nothing at all, which it still is |
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| 07:39.24 | jpinx | how do I force a fsck at boot time - dmesg is giving me a lot of warnings like "FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk0p1) fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos <various numbers>) |
| 07:41.26 | jpinx | and I seem to have lost dev/usb0 - it's not available when I ifconfig -a but it is showing is dmesg - any ideas? |
| 07:41.38 | jpinx | maemo in N900 |
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| 07:45.46 | joga | hmm, that's MyDocs right? open a terminal, get root, do umount /home/user/MyDocs && fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1, and maybe run fsck a few times until it says it's clean, then mount it again or reboot |
| 07:46.35 | joga | ^ jpinx |
| 07:46.39 | kerio | hm |
| 07:46.43 | kerio | don't actually do that |
| 07:46.47 | joga | oh, why? |
| 07:46.50 | kerio | do fsck on a real computer |
| 07:46.53 | kerio | jog |
| 07:46.54 | kerio | er |
| 07:46.59 | kerio | joga: it'll take *ages* |
| 07:47.01 | kerio | or something |
| 07:47.13 | joga | hmm, I've done it a few times, it doesn't take that long I think |
| 07:47.29 | kerio | a computer is still faster though :) |
| 07:47.31 | joga | unless I remember wrong. I've also done it with a puter |
| 07:47.43 | kerio | jpinx: if your usb port still works... |
| 07:47.54 | jpinx | usb is dead |
| 07:48.07 | jpinx | it's not coming up with ifconfig -a |
| 07:48.14 | joga | btw, does touch /forcefsck do anything in maemo? |
| 07:48.19 | jpinx | but I see references to it in dmesg |
| 07:48.28 | joga | (in debian at least it'll fsck at boot if it sees that file) |
| 07:48.41 | jpinx | reboots... again |
| 07:48.53 | joga | though in this case it wouldn't do the right thing anyway |
| 07:49.04 | kerio | joga: i think kernel-power-settings has a way of forcing fsck |
| 07:49.13 | kerio | but for /home, not MyDocs |
| 07:50.33 | jpinx | rebooted -- still no sign of usb= |
| 07:50.39 | jpinx | rebooted -- still no sign of usb0 |
| 07:51.56 | jpinx | but dmesg tells me that musb_hrdc periph: enabled eplout for bulk OUT, maxpacket 512 |
| 07:52.01 | kerio | wait, what |
| 07:52.07 | kerio | usb0 is the network iface |
| 07:52.20 | jpinx | yes |
| 07:52.28 | kerio | oh, two separate problems |
| 07:52.34 | kerio | jpinx: lsmod | grep g_ |
| 07:53.23 | jpinx | Hmmm -- no virtual kbd either - so no way top type | |
| 07:53.45 | kerio | what the *fuck* did you do |
| 07:53.55 | kerio | also use ssh |
| 07:54.07 | jpinx | reflashed and tried to get ssh towork |
| 07:54.21 | jpinx | now no ssh cos no usb0 |
| 07:54.27 | kerio | ...wifi? |
| 07:54.51 | jpinx | nope |
| 07:54.55 | kerio | anyway, you need to put the phone in "pc suite" mode, but you probably know that |
| 07:55.20 | kerio | (so g_nokia is loaded, and not g_file_storage) |
| 07:55.58 | jpinx | it's refusing to go into PCSuite mode |
| 07:56.25 | jpinx | manually grepping lsmod for g_ shows file storage |
| 07:57.00 | jpinx | even after multiple re-plugging into the laptop |
| 07:58.10 | jpinx | kerio: what will show me why it doesn't allow PCSuite mode? |
| 07:59.35 | jpinx | it's not coming up in mass storage either -- only allows me charging only mode |
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| 08:51.56 | asaint | hello guys i have a simple question will installing maemeemo remove my current installation packages and the power kernel and mostly cleven or just will change the look of my device thank you |
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| 09:10.11 | asaint | hello guys i have a simple question will installing maemeemo remove my current installation packages and the power kernel and mostly cleven or just will change the look of my device thank you |
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| 12:28.16 | kerio | wtf is maemeemo |
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| 12:47.53 | archangelmichael | seems a new look for n900 |
| 12:49.06 | ZogG_laptop | kerio: it's swipe like UI on maemo? |
| 12:49.14 | kerio | ew |
| 12:49.19 | ZogG_laptop | i think it's nemo UI on maemo5, not sure |
| 12:49.44 | archangelmichael | it's a mix maemo nimo and meego i think |
| 12:50.05 | archangelmichael | but does it change the core of maemo ....? |
| 12:50.59 | ZogG_laptop | archangelmichael: haha, you are my archangel :P |
| 12:51.10 | archangelmichael | I want to install and try just afraid if i might loose things i have like the power kernel cleven will still work? |
| 12:51.24 | archangelmichael | data ?? |
| 12:51.50 | archangelmichael | ZogG_laptop, am i :P |
| 12:52.15 | ZogG_laptop | archangelmichael: backup first for sure |
| 12:52.19 | archangelmichael | ZogG_laptop, you seem to know what will happen once installed is it a new maemo thing? |
| 12:52.22 | ZogG_laptop | make full copy :P |
| 12:52.57 | ZogG_laptop | archangelmichael: i don't think you should try, why would you want it, try nemo as dual boot or try this as dual boot as possible |
| 12:53.00 | archangelmichael | will i loose the power kernel plus my cleven foncunality |
| 12:53.05 | ZogG_laptop | as=if* |
| 12:53.22 | ZogG_laptop | i dunno how it is installed and what does it installs |
| 12:53.25 | archangelmichael | well i thought to give it a try |
| 12:53.58 | archangelmichael | in that case i will keep maemo maybe try dual boot later on |
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| 12:54.20 | archangelmichael | feels much safer with dual boot |
| 12:55.53 | archangelmichael | does anyone knows if maemo will support an another device than the n900 |
| 12:56.33 | archangelmichael | besides n9 having meego |
| 12:57.22 | archangelmichael | i just wish n950 was for end users |
| 12:59.18 | jacekowski | maemo is dead |
| 13:00.48 | archangelmichael | not for me as long as i have my n900 :) |
| 13:01.36 | ZogG_laptop | jacekowski: :( |
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| 13:14.44 | kerio | jacekowski: maemo is dead and YOU killed it! |
| 13:21.34 | jon_y | maemo is dead, long live maemo! |
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| 13:59.29 | narcos | Hey all. Could anyone recommend a UK repair shop for N900's busted USB ports? |
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| 14:33.30 | narcos | Anyone use the OS X maemo flasher? |
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| 15:26.46 | kerio | narcos: me |
| 15:26.50 | kerio | (on snow leopard) |
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| 15:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: what makes you think your USB port is busted? |
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| 17:09.49 | narcos | kerio: Any advice on which image to download from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? I live in the UK - and see there's a UK version - not sure what the difference is? |
| 17:10.01 | kerio | narcos: the Global one |
| 17:10.06 | kerio | it works on every hardware, iirc |
| 17:10.11 | kerio | the difference is with fmtx availability |
| 17:10.17 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: The phone won't charge unless I jiggle the USB plug around |
| 17:10.26 | narcos | kerio: Right, thanks, I'll use that one |
| 17:11.35 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Actually, Nokia's karma is against me. I have two N900's - both with a similar USB port problem... One I've just repaired with a bit of solder, the other charges if I twist the plug counter clockwise (I assume it has a loose connection too). |
| 17:12.02 | narcos | I don't want to solder the second one as I just got it on eBay - I'm trying to return to sender |
| 17:12.28 | narcos | (which is why I want to re-image) |
| 17:12.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you twist plugs, I guess that's r |
| 17:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | the reason where your problems arise from |
| 17:13.49 | narcos | I've only twisted it in order to get it to charge |
| 17:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you ever considered that the plug could as well be defect, not only the receptacle? |
| 17:14.17 | narcos | I've tried two different wall chargers, and a PC USB cable |
| 17:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and your reüports were quite non-coherent |
| 17:15.07 | narcos | Pardon? |
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| 17:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, sorry, I tried to help the last few days, you weren't really interested. Now I feel it's futile to try |
| 17:17.26 | narcos | DocScrutinizer05: No I appreciated your help - you suggested it was a software issue |
| 17:18.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, if you can reflash to send back the supposedly USB-borked device, you're creating a nice paradoxon |
| 17:18.43 | narcos | DocScrutinizer05: And at the time, it seemed like it might be - but before I got around to reloading the image, my second phone arrived - so I diverted my attention to that one - which developed a similar problem the first time I tried to charge it. |
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| 17:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, and that doesn't make you wonder? |
| 17:19.32 | narcos | Should it? The only common element would be the mains electricity supply |
| 17:19.46 | kerio | and *you* |
| 17:19.57 | narcos | I promise I'm not rough handling them. |
| 17:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yu might use a defect plug that in turn ruins the receptacles |
| 17:20.46 | narcos | The second phone came with all its own kit... |
| 17:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply "inserts" dirt on the contacts |
| 17:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you restored some defect software to both phones |
| 17:21.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it's PEBCAK |
| 17:21.38 | narcos | :-( |
| 17:22.13 | narcos | Well, sorry to have bothered you. I'll venture on without bugging you. |
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| 17:22.29 | kerio | that went well |
| 17:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I anticipated that reaction |
| 17:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | shrugs and wanders on doings more appropriate things for outside temepratures >35°C |
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| 17:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | just utters a suspicion that recently "something" messed up USB/charging/MSM for quite a number of people... |
| 17:30.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks direction KP51 and bq24150.ko "charger" |
| 17:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-18 21:50:18] <Estel_> kerio, confirming, this bug seems to have something to do with latest bq2415 things in KP |
| 17:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | might even imagine a situation / bug-behaviour where introducing an anormal situation like D+/-short NOT given anymore, by turning plug, might cause the shite to start working again |
| 17:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course nobody ever should apply any force to USB plug other than needed to cleanly and straight mating/unmating it |
| 17:36.28 | kerio | somehow i think mating with your usb port would lead to problems |
| 17:36.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | trying to "test" USB by applying levering or torque force is a really insane thing |
| 17:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | only method you *might* use to test USB mechanically is placing the device on table with your finger under USB plug - but then do NOT apply any force to device, by touching screen or typing on hw kbd! |
| 17:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | incidentally this is the only force vector that might cause loose pins on receptacle touch the PCB pads again |
| 17:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and weight of device is the max force the USB may take without you damaging an otherwise completely intact USB receptacle |
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| 17:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict mating cycle |
| 17:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | pfff |
| 17:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | google for "expected number of mating cycles" |
| 17:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I got a standard size A plug here that instantly ruins any USB receptacle I plug it to |
| 17:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite sure such thing happens even more easily on micro-USB |
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| 17:58.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://etherealmind.com/network-dictionary-mating-cycles/ |
| 18:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>SMA connectors are rated for 500 mating cycles..<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMA_connector#Connector_design |
| 18:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | somehow I think kerio shouldn't discuss technical issues with EE |
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| 18:52.57 | Estel_ | home, sweet home :) i'm back from vacations, for good |
| 18:53.27 | Estel_ | travelling for a day @ 32 C degrees is quite a experience |
| 18:53.29 | Estel_ | an* |
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| 20:08.59 | sixwheeledbeast | just been reading the logs about mating cycles, lol |
| 20:11.25 | sixwheeledbeast | i believe uUSB can have 10000 meaning if you charge once a day your device should last 27 years. (if my math is correct) |
| 20:13.10 | kerio | that's very little time :( |
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| 20:28.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Considerably better than 13 years for miniUSB and 4 years for a standard A/B USB. |
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| 20:33.49 | Jef91 | is there a way to change the blue "NOKIA" at the n900 startup? |
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| 20:40.06 | kerio | Jef91: that's NOLO i think |
| 20:40.27 | sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75504 |
| 20:40.38 | Jef91 | nolo kerio ? |
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| 21:13.05 | Jef91 | Are there any tools out there to create an image of my current n900 setup? |
| 21:13.10 | Jef91 | So I can just reflash it all at once later? |
| 21:13.37 | jacekowski | backupmenu |
| 21:13.39 | sixwheeledbeast | backupmenu |
| 21:14.48 | kerio | backupmenu |
| 21:15.11 | kerio | although you can't easily reflash it, but it's pretty quick to flash the nokia images, install backupmenu and restore from there |
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| 21:28.58 | vi__ | i went to a modern art museum today. |
| 21:29.14 | vi__ | there were 2 jet engines on the lawn out front. |
| 21:29.32 | vi__ | some artist had stuffed them with anti depressents. |
| 21:30.04 | vi__ | 2 10 foot long turbine jets stuffed with SSRIs. |
| 21:30.25 | vi__ | to represent depression or somthing. |
| 21:30.34 | sixwheeledbeast | modern art makes me laugh |
| 21:30.37 | vi__ | worst |
| 21:30.40 | vi__ | art |
| 21:30.42 | vi__ | ever |
| 21:31.28 | vi__ | there was a canvas. |
| 21:31.41 | vi__ | the top left quarter was painted white. |
| 21:32.07 | vi__ | it had 3 black lines across the center. |
| 21:32.21 | vi__ | 1 perpendicular to the other 2. |
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| 21:33.07 | vi__ | apparently it was controverial at the time as it represented a radical change for the artist who never used two parallell lines before. |
| 21:33.31 | sixwheeledbeast | 150 empty CD jewel cases standing up in a masking tape square. |
| 21:33.49 | sixwheeledbeast | on the floor |
| 21:34.15 | vi__ | I told the guard it was derivative of whitginsteins corrugated sets from the 30's. |
| 21:34.31 | vi__ | sixwheeledbeast: utterly retarded. |
| 21:35.12 | vi__ | it would seem when you get famous enough you can punt any old tat and people will awe. |
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| 21:35.53 | sixwheeledbeast | some aren't famous yet tho. |
| 21:35.57 | vi__ | I wish somone with some credability would shout 'hay, the king is naked!' |
| 21:36.17 | sixwheeledbeast | the CD case thing was a modern art uni project |
| 21:36.26 | vi__ | sixwheeledbeast: hah! |
| 21:36.29 | sixwheeledbeast | 4 years work, lmao |
| 21:37.05 | vi__ | I wish I was art savvy enough to spot your hoax! |
| 21:37.21 | sixwheeledbeast | got to see "modern art" when visiting a uni mate in coventry. |
| 21:37.43 | sixwheeledbeast | I just couldn't stop laughing had to leave the room |
| 21:38.00 | vi__ | tracy emin in 'oh god I shit the bed again'. |
| 21:39.13 | vi__ | do you remember the light bulb going on and off from a couple of years ago? |
| 21:39.21 | vi__ | It won the tate prize. |
| 21:39.30 | vi__ | fuck everything. |
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| 22:47.23 | Estel_ | vi__, some modernj art makes sense, though |
| 22:47.40 | Estel_ | I remember one with pope's figure, crushed by a meteor |
| 22:49.37 | Estel_ | or a table, where You sit in front of 1nd visitor (usually, someone that came with You - relative, friend, loved one, etc), and, due to some tricks with light, illusions, etc, her/his face turns into chinese guy speaking his story of working in Apple's factory in China |
| 22:50.01 | Estel_ | (face and story "took" from real case, BTW) |
| 22:50.12 | Estel_ | s/speaking/telling/ |
| 22:51.44 | Estel_ | I think that there always was an Art and "art", no matter of style used, or time period. Some paintings of classical artists are total shit too. BTW, S. Dali was best - few times, he contracted few dilletans to pain a picture for him, then, he signed it, and got absolutely positive reviews from criticas |
| 22:51.47 | Estel_ | critics* |
| 22:51.58 | Estel_ | later, he always laughed at them very hard |
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