| 00:04.58 | narcos | robbiethe1st: Right you are |
| 00:06.23 | narcos | Need to install the power-kernel |
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| 01:06.05 | Twiner | 1008/16 09:01PM twiner: 14I donno if level 3 would have to deal with that honestly01 |
| 01:06.08 | Twiner | woops |
| 01:06.42 | ForABetterWorld | http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/ |
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| 02:06.45 | narcos | To stay up until work starts, or catch a power nap... |
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| 03:28.14 | narcos | I'd like to launch a bash script on the N900 that required root |
| 03:28.16 | narcos | I'm trying this: |
| 03:28.42 | narcos | osso-xterm -e "cd /foo/bar/ && sudo bash foo.sh" |
| 03:28.52 | narcos | But I get a graphical error of "Application error" |
| 03:29.47 | narcos | From a shell, if I enter the command "cd /foo/bar/ && sudo bash foo.sh" - it works |
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| 07:24.01 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, i disconnected from znc at that point |
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| 07:34.18 | ZogG_laptop | jacekowski: narcos as i ripped my usb off i want to test that — http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72753 |
| 07:37.26 | StyXman | narcos: why not «sudo bash /foo/bar/foo.sh»? |
| 07:42.45 | StyXman | narcos: also: most probably tou can't use && without a shell interpreting it |
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| 08:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: could you please stop talking narcos into destroying his N900? |
| 08:08.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: what makes you think there's *any* hw-problem with narcos' device? |
| 08:10.34 | kerio | did he reflash yet? |
| 08:11.10 | kerio | hmm... what writes to CAL, and why? that's the only "software" weak point i think |
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| 09:26.52 | Sicelo | ^/win 23 |
| 09:26.57 | Sicelo | um |
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| 12:20.23 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: he said he had problems =) |
| 12:21.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | I said: REFLASH! |
| 12:22.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | how TF will disassembling N900 help to make a device do ENUM, that evidently detects D+- short |
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| 12:47.51 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: as he explained we felt usb syndrom |
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| 13:52.50 | zeq | freemangordon: I've updat3d fennec again. If I get tome this evening I'm going to have a shot of getting input working properly. |
| 13:53.56 | zeq | I've spent the last couple of days rebuilding my OpenWRT router/domain server, kept me busy! |
| 13:54.01 | ShadowJK | unless it always detects d+/d-, that could be indicative of a molten usb port, if host port is proven functional.. but if device port has melted I'd imagine alot of other stuff woulf also not wotk? :D |
| 13:55.06 | ShadowJK | would also not work* |
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| 14:08.56 | sLumPia | have anybody encounter conversation bar bug? |
| 14:08.58 | sLumPia | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 |
| 14:09.00 | povbot_ | 04Bug 11559: Conversations App - Scrollbar Appeared, Touch Scrolling Does Not Work |
| 14:09.38 | sLumPia | after flashing, suddenly i get this annoying bug |
| 14:10.02 | sLumPia | previously my conversation working just fine |
| 14:10.16 | sLumPia | removing .mozilla doesn't help |
| 14:11.30 | Pali | sLumPia, I had same problem |
| 14:11.47 | Pali | removing .mozilla & rebooting solved it |
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| 14:12.09 | Pali | (I did it more times) |
| 14:12.11 | sLumPia | yep, i read your thread and follow your advice, doesnt work |
| 14:12.36 | sLumPia | :( |
| 14:13.14 | Pali | sLumPia, can you upload your syslog? |
| 14:13.26 | Pali | maybe there will be something interesting... |
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| 14:14.01 | sLumPia | Pali, where is it located? I have no syslog on /var/log |
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| 14:15.59 | Pali | sLumPia: try to install package sysklogd or klogd |
| 14:16.21 | Pali | maemo does not have syslog installed by default |
| 14:17.09 | sLumPia | oops, my didnt know that |
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| 14:21.33 | sLumPia | d*mn, cant install anything because of broken deps |
| 14:21.54 | sLumPia | can we tell apt to ignore broken dep? |
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| 14:32.55 | Pali | sudo apt-get install -f |
| 14:33.01 | Pali | this should fix broken dep |
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| 14:34.15 | ShadowJK | tries to paint over the blue on cameradoor |
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| 14:38.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: indeed |
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| 14:40.42 | ShadowJK | the result from this sharpie looks a bit glossy :( |
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| 14:51.42 | kerio | why do you hate blue |
| 14:51.46 | kerio | blue is a cool color |
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| 14:53.56 | sLumPia | Pali: Well installed nitdroid with multiboot. multiboot conflict with bootmenu (I also install backupmenu). that's why I have broken dep |
| 14:55.54 | Pali | yes multiboot and bootmenu both provides /bootmenu.sh so are in conflict |
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| 14:56.35 | kerio | multiboot is a piece of shit |
| 14:56.57 | jon_y | multiboot writes to flash everyboot :| |
| 14:57.38 | sLumPia | kerio: is there anyway i can use bootmenu with nitdroid? |
| 14:57.48 | kerio | you need uboot for that |
| 14:57.52 | sLumPia | I like to play games with nitdroid |
| 14:58.09 | kerio | by the way, won't most games require a multitouch screen? |
| 14:59.00 | sLumPia | really? dont know about that. never had experience with android |
| 15:00.03 | sLumPia | so uboot support nitdroid, backupmenu and normal maemo? |
| 15:00.21 | sLumPia | i though you said uboot not support nitdroid yet |
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| 15:02.23 | Pali | u-boot can boot any kernel image |
| 15:02.35 | Pali | it can boot maemo, meego/nemo, nitdroid |
| 15:03.03 | Pali | bootmenu/backupmenu is only maemo shell script which is started from maemo init daemon |
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| 15:04.40 | sLumPia | hm...brb, got to read about u-boot |
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| 15:15.23 | kerio | did someone measure the power consumption of bluetooth in hidden mode with no connections? |
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| 15:32.31 | Pali | kerio, some tests should be usefull :-) |
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| 16:35.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: seems to be next to zero |
| 16:35.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | iirc |
| 16:35.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | (did some tests) |
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| 16:40.51 | louisdk | Hi :) |
| 16:41.23 | louisdk | Does anyone know how I get more home screens on an Nokia N900? |
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| 16:59.34 | ivgalvez | anyone knows the URL for testingsquad mailing list archive? |
| 16:59.54 | ivgalvez | forget it |
| 16:59.58 | ivgalvez | I found it |
| 17:06.28 | sLumPia | Pali: what is the correct content for item file for backupmenu? I have this line in backupmenu.item: |
| 17:06.36 | sLumPia | ITEM_NAME="BackupMenu (Internal flash)" |
| 17:06.38 | sLumPia | ITEM_ID="nand" |
| 17:06.39 | sLumPia | ITEM_LINUXRC="/usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item" |
| 17:06.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | louisdk: get CSSU |
| 17:07.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~cssu |
| 17:07.20 | infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 17:07.33 | sLumPia | but it u-boot-update-bootmenu failed with this error: |
| 17:07.40 | sLumPia | Configuration file: /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item |
| 17:07.40 | sLumPia | Error: Invalid file - missing kernel or script file |
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| 17:09.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | you're sure you're not terribly mixing up backupmenu and uBoot? |
| 17:11.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | it seems for some funny reasons their config files look similar by syntax. but these are 2 *completely* different programs/systems |
| 17:12.01 | sLumPia | DocScrutinizer51: Do you mean mixing up bootmenu and u-boot? |
| 17:12.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 17:13.31 | sLumPia | well, it seems backupmenu depend on bootmenu. so i can't uninstall bootmenu |
| 17:13.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | bootmenu and BM are siblings, uBoot is totally unrelated |
| 17:14.56 | sLumPia | I'm trying to install kernel-cssu, backupmenu and nitdroid |
| 17:15.17 | sLumPia | bootmenu not supported nitdroid (afaik) |
| 17:15.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | nonsense |
| 17:15.45 | sLumPia | and Pali said u-boot support all three |
| 17:15.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | nitdroid not supported by uboot |
| 17:16.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk bbl |
| 17:18.25 | sLumPia | DocScrutinizer51: Pali said u-boot can boot nitdroid |
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| 17:22.47 | kerio | sLumPia: bootmenu happens after uboot |
| 17:22.59 | kerio | multiboot is the one that sucks |
| 17:23.04 | ivgalvez | There is support for bootmenu in Nitdroid |
| 17:23.18 | kerio | ivgalvez: yeah but kexec is flaky, isn't it |
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| 17:23.24 | ivgalvez | though you have to manually do some trickery |
| 17:23.59 | kerio | sLumPia: uboot happens a lot before bootmenu |
| 17:24.13 | ivgalvez | sLumPia, the problem that you have with BackupMEnu is that you have installed an specific version modified to work with Multiboot |
| 17:24.23 | ivgalvez | that's not the official one |
| 17:24.36 | ivgalvez | first you need to uninstall that version of backupmenu |
| 17:24.55 | ivgalvez | then uninstall multiboot and install bootmenu |
| 17:25.02 | ivgalvez | with uboot |
| 17:25.47 | ivgalvez | once you have a working bootmenu installation for Maemo you can go for Nitdroid: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=73.0 |
| 17:26.04 | ivgalvez | there you'll find how to make it working with uboot |
| 17:26.17 | kerio | i still have a huge problem with backupmenu and my configuration :( |
| 17:26.53 | sLumPia | ivgalvez: what do you mean by special version? I install backupmenu using # apt-get install backupmenu |
| 17:27.16 | sLumPia | not downloaded backupmenu*.deb from some site |
| 17:27.26 | ivgalvez | oh, I thought you were using the one modified to work with Multiboot |
| 17:27.36 | kerio | sLumPia: uninstall multiboot |
| 17:27.37 | ivgalvez | not build by Robbiethe1st |
| 17:27.48 | kerio | uninstall backupmenu, too |
| 17:27.57 | kerio | install bootmenu and backupmenu |
| 17:28.08 | ivgalvez | anyway, you first need to uninstall all of it |
| 17:28.11 | ivgalvez | as kerio said |
| 17:28.15 | kerio | ivgalvez: too late :D |
| 17:28.41 | kerio | hm, i wonder if the n900 is fast enough to play esprade without frame skipping |
| 17:28.49 | kerio | the keys are going to be awful though |
| 17:29.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 17:29.39 | infobot | well, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 17:29.52 | kerio | uboot works fine |
| 17:29.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | and for sure multiboot fscks uBoot |
| 17:30.27 | kerio | but if you don't want to dick around with a new bootloader+kernel, you can just use kernel-power's kexec to load a different kernel for nitdroid |
| 17:30.28 | kerio | or something |
| 17:30.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | and afaik nitdroid needs multiboot, ever did, and always been hated for that |
| 17:30.52 | sLumPia | DocScrutinizer51: I already uninstall multiboot |
| 17:30.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: nah |
| 17:31.11 | kerio | there are guides to use uboot or even bootmenu |
| 17:31.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | nahwut? |
| 17:31.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsckit |
| 17:32.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you want android, get a android device |
| 17:32.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | faster, cheaper, better |
| 17:32.33 | sLumPia | ivgalvez: ok, i will try uninstall backupmenu and bootmenu. should i uninstall u-boot too? |
| 17:32.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | *sigh* |
| 17:33.14 | ivgalvez | nonono |
| 17:33.23 | ivgalvez | backupmenu and multiboot |
| 17:33.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | why the fuck would anybody want to uninstall backmenu?? |
| 17:34.08 | ivgalvez | he said it was conflicting with multiboot |
| 17:34.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: to reinstall it, idk |
| 17:34.59 | ivgalvez | DocScrutinizer51: Nitdroid already works with uboot |
| 17:35.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure, fsckng multibootconflicts with $everything, the hard way |
| 17:35.13 | sLumPia | ivgalvez: I already uninstall multiboot before (as Pali said, to use u-boot) |
| 17:35.22 | ivgalvez | ok |
| 17:35.38 | sLumPia | now, i only have backupmenu, bootmenu, u-boot |
| 17:35.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | sane |
| 17:35.52 | ivgalvez | then you just neet to install Nitdroid as described in the link I pasted before |
| 17:36.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | if that's enough to get nitdroid starting, feel happy |
| 17:36.22 | louisdk | DocScrutinizer51: I have CSSU :) |
| 17:36.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | then see cssu-features |
| 17:37.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | wiki |
| 17:37.34 | sLumPia | ivgalvez: I have install nitdroid. my problem right now is when i run u-boot-update-bootmenu, it show an error |
| 17:38.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmpf |
| 17:38.14 | ivgalvez | then it's better to ask to nitdroid gurus |
| 17:38.27 | sLumPia | Error: Invalid file - missing kernel or script file |
| 17:38.31 | ivgalvez | at the very same thread: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=73.0 |
| 17:38.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | beware, nitdroid probably pulls multiboot as dependency |
| 17:38.59 | ivgalvez | nope, nitdroid is not installed via package manager |
| 17:39.02 | ivgalvez | only the kernel |
| 17:39.12 | ivgalvez | and doesn't depend on multiboot |
| 17:39.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | which in turn riuns uBoot |
| 17:39.13 | sLumPia | it's not nitdroid that i have problem with, it's backupmenu |
| 17:39.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | BS |
| 17:39.34 | kerio | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 17:39.45 | infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-128-155.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17h 41m 7s ago, saying: 'Make sure your kernel is the right one for the module'. |
| 17:39.45 | kerio | ~ping |
| 17:39.45 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:39.48 | kerio | hm |
| 17:40.03 | ivgalvez | DocScrutinizer51: is that to me? |
| 17:40.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: i can't get a shell in backupmenu because root's login shell is /bin/bash |
| 17:40.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah |
| 17:40.26 | sLumPia | ivgalvez: do you use u-boot and backupmenu? what is your backupmenu.item contain? |
| 17:40.29 | kerio | and there's no /bin/bash in backupmenu |
| 17:40.31 | kerio | :( |
| 17:40.48 | ivgalvez | I don't have my N900 with me right now |
| 17:41.16 | louisdk | DocScrutinizer51: I tired this, http://maemobriefs.blogspot.dk/2010/03/how-to-have-up-to-9-home-screens.html but can't install modified-hildon-desktop. |
| 17:41.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: too bad, you shot own foot |
| 17:41.51 | kerio | no u :c |
| 17:41.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | louisdk: cssu already comes with MHD |
| 17:42.15 | louisdk | DocScrutinizer51: Ok |
| 17:42.18 | louisdk | Thx |
| 17:42.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: to be fair i didn't expect backupmenu to look at /etc/passwd |
| 17:42.22 | sLumPia | ok, so do you know what should i put in backupmenu.item for this line: ITEM_KERNEL="zImage-my" |
| 17:42.24 | sLumPia | ? |
| 17:44.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder if you have to touch that file anyway, but meh |
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| 17:44.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | please /join #nitdroid |
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| 17:44.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | this is #maemo |
| 17:46.28 | sLumPia | DocScrutinizer51: I am asking about backupmenu, not nitdroid |
| 17:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | backupmenu just works |
| 17:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a pretty normal #maemo app |
| 17:55.36 | kerio | well, it's a bit weird :) |
| 17:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and as explained to you in all loving vorbosity that should make you weep, backupmenu is absolutely unrelated to nitdroid or any other alternative OS |
| 17:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | SINCE IT STRARTS AFTER maemo KERNEL, FFS! |
| 17:58.41 | sLumPia | *sight* do you really need to shout? |
| 17:58.56 | sLumPia | normal doesn't mean it will always work |
| 17:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | if any random weird nitdroid webpage tells you to modify XY.config file in maemo to make nitdroid work, that's clearly not a problem and question asked to the maintainer of XY or to #maemo at large |
| 17:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so go pester the #nitdroid guys! |
| 17:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | my last statement |
| 17:59.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hrmpf |
| 17:59.47 | kerio | i added /bin/bash to the backupmenu tarball |
| 17:59.57 | kerio | ...no libreadline |
| 18:00.05 | kerio | i felt a bit stupid |
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| 18:02.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: waitwaitwait, you say BM looks nto /etc/passwd for the root default login shell? |
| 18:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | (btw nfc what's libredline) |
| 18:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh readline pfff |
| 18:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: BM is the prototypical candidate for a lean statically linked busybox |
| 18:05.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and definitely MUST NOT look into /(maemoroot/)etc/passwd, for at least 7 different reasons |
| 18:05.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 |
| 18:05.39 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 18:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: IOW: please open a ticket, this is a bug |
| 18:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | (7 different reasons) what ig I run yp on my N900? ;-P |
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| 18:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ig/if/. |
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| 19:50.02 | Macer | http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram |
| 19:50.16 | Macer | so when can i shove a dna SD into my N900? :-/ |
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| 19:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | SD?? |
| 19:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ever put a uSD on the scale? |
| 19:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be surprised if it weighs 0.1g |
| 19:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you probably would need some housing for your DNA as well, no? |
| 19:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | not to mention the "controller" |
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| 20:00.12 | luca__ | Hello there! I'm having a problem with a jabber account, it says just "network error" and I can't connect, the server works fine, I can connect from the PC |
| 20:00.21 | fizzie | "Weight: Micro: ~0.25g" says Wikipedia's handy-dandy infobox in the "Secure Digital" article. |
| 20:00.38 | luca__ | I tried to disconnect and reconnect but the network error is instantaneous |
| 20:01.04 | luca__ | it happened to me before, and it's fixed restarting the phone |
| 20:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF is a "sub-zero vacuum"? |
| 20:01.45 | luca__ | but I wonder if there is a more linuxy way to fix it, maybe there is a process I can restart or other trick to force the reconnection? |
| 20:02.09 | luca__ | its really annoying having to restart the phone for this :S |
| 20:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you probably might go flight mode and back, to fix it |
| 20:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or restart the relevant processes |
| 20:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | which probably is telepathy |
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| 21:28.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | who???? qwerty? |
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| 21:56.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but opening a bug in a tracker sounds like work |
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| 22:06.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so... there's no link to a bugtracker |
| 22:06.50 | kerio | wtf |
| 22:46.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | why the F didn't it highlight me? |
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