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| 08:18.05 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 17h 4m 27s ago, saying: 'ok, well I dont have time to look at it right now'. |
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| 09:34.17 | Lava_Croft | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD6bMozuGQk |
| 09:34.22 | Lava_Croft | cute teardown of old PDA's |
| 09:34.32 | Lava_Croft | the 1986 Psion is just awesome |
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| 09:41.48 | mavhc | cool, now if someone could dub it without an annoying accent... |
| 09:42.08 | Lava_Croft | life must be easy for you if such an accent is something that annoys you |
| 09:42.17 | Lava_Croft | since my life is hard enough to just not bother with such accents |
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| 09:44.02 | mavhc | I decided to not going into the jumping around in caves career path |
| 09:44.37 | Lava_Croft | virginmedia, you a briton? :D |
| 09:44.44 | mavhc | yeah |
| 09:45.00 | Lava_Croft | your life my be awful in the country of annoying british accents:D |
| 09:45.14 | Lava_Croft | i think even on a 2 week vacation in the UK i got drowned in all the odd english accents:D |
| 09:45.48 | Lava_Croft | i think that animal abusing aussie is to blame for making that aussie accent annoying |
| 09:45.58 | Lava_Croft | you know, the guy that got killed by a fish not too long ago |
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| 09:46.23 | mavhc | this guy just sounds really excited about every. single. sentence. |
| 09:46.49 | Lava_Croft | I think he is excited about opening up these devices |
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| 09:47.30 | Lava_Croft | still waiting for him to say crikey |
| 09:47.32 | mavhc | "I have toast for breakfast! I just had a baby! aliens invaded!" |
| 09:47.46 | kerio | to be fair, all three of those are things to be really excited about |
| 09:47.54 | Lava_Croft | i dont care about the ipaq |
| 09:47.59 | Lava_Croft | but the other two are nice indeed |
| 09:48.06 | Lava_Croft | used a Pam IIIxe for years myself |
| 09:48.13 | mavhc | I've got an ipaq, won't turn on |
| 09:48.13 | Lava_Croft | and the Psion is just youth sentiment |
| 09:48.25 | Lava_Croft | i gave the ipad i had to my brother for his collection |
| 09:48.27 | Lava_Croft | er |
| 09:48.28 | mavhc | got a psion 3c that I used a little bit |
| 09:48.29 | Lava_Croft | ipaq, haha |
| 09:48.32 | Lava_Croft | thats a nice typo there |
| 09:48.53 | Lava_Croft | the days of Palm were nice |
| 09:49.03 | Lava_Croft | life was easy |
| 09:49.18 | mavhc | psion 5, with real keyboard! |
| 09:49.22 | Lava_Croft | i loved those things |
| 09:49.26 | Lava_Croft | never got to have one tho:< |
| 09:49.44 | Lava_Croft | went from Palm IIIxe to N900, basically |
| 09:50.17 | kerio | they're very different devices, though |
| 09:50.18 | mavhc | used my n810 until the touchscreen broke, then bought a droid 1 off ebay |
| 09:50.22 | Lava_Croft | no shit |
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| 09:50.44 | Lava_Croft | i use the N9 as main device now, but the N900 still is king |
| 09:50.46 | kerio | Lava_Croft: i mean, they don't really have the same purpose |
| 09:50.54 | Lava_Croft | kerio: in a way, they do |
| 09:51.12 | Lava_Croft | only the N900 can do much more:) |
| 09:51.14 | kerio | apart from "nerd toy", i mean |
| 09:51.53 | Lava_Croft | i just love computers that fit in my pocket, the Palm IIIxe was basically the only good thing avaiable that i could afford:) |
| 09:52.03 | Lava_Croft | in the case of the N900 is more like 'it was the only thing avaiable' |
| 09:52.13 | Lava_Croft | hits keyboard |
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| 09:53.08 | kerio | not the one of the n9 though :> |
| 09:53.36 | mavhc | if only the nexus 7 had an sd slot |
| 09:53.47 | Lava_Croft | and a proper front camera:) |
| 09:53.52 | Lava_Croft | and ran proper software;) |
| 09:53.57 | kerio | hehehe |
| 09:54.03 | Lava_Croft | best value for money ever tho, tablet-wise |
| 09:54.04 | kerio | the n900 has a crappy front camera though |
| 09:54.11 | mavhc | not a back camera? |
| 09:54.26 | kerio | the n900's back camera isn't badf |
| 09:54.26 | Lava_Croft | i quite love our nexus7 |
| 09:54.27 | kerio | *bad |
| 09:54.37 | Lava_Croft | the n900 'main' camera is quite good |
| 09:55.18 | mavhc | when I was on holiday there were quite a few idiot assholes taking photos with their ipads |
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| 09:55.35 | Lava_Croft | haha yes |
| 09:55.37 | Lava_Croft | i love those people |
| 09:55.47 | mavhc | idiots as the camera sucks, assholes as they're blocking the view |
| 09:56.07 | kerio | hmm, the hp pre 3 doesn't sound too bad |
| 09:56.10 | Lava_Croft | i wouldnt say that, if you need a pic and the only thing you have on you is an ipad.... |
| 09:56.27 | mavhc | why did you go on holiday without a camera? |
| 09:56.51 | kerio | mavhc: because you've got an ipad |
| 09:56.52 | Lava_Croft | now you assume taking a camera on holiday is mandatory:) |
| 09:57.04 | Lava_Croft | its all about how much value you assign to it |
| 09:57.15 | Lava_Croft | ipad camera is enough for most people, even tho taking pictures with an ipad looks ridiculous |
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| 09:57.53 | ZogG_laptop | if someone wants good photos he should buy good camera |
| 09:57.53 | mavhc | there's only 1 reason to use an ipad as a camera, if you have terrible eyesight |
| 09:58.18 | ZogG_laptop | mavhc: "if you are an idiot :P" /fixed |
| 09:59.00 | mavhc | it does have a 10" viewfinder |
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| 10:00.05 | Lava_Croft | experience thankfully tells me not to trust people who tell me there's only one reason to use a device:) |
| 10:00.35 | Lava_Croft | and most people just dont give a hoot about someone telling them they shouldnt use an ipad for taking photos:) |
| 10:00.46 | Lava_Croft | they will just take a picture of you and show it on their ipad to you |
| 10:00.52 | Lava_Croft | and say "whats wrong with it?" |
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| 10:02.34 | mavhc | I have a picture to demonstrate |
| 10:04.03 | mavhc | I suppose if I took this picture with an ipad it would have uploaded by now |
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| 10:04.13 | teotwaki__ | actually, if they take a picture of me without my consent, I'll sue them. |
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| 10:04.23 | mavhc | for what? |
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| 10:04.37 | teotwaki__ | For taking my picture. |
| 10:04.54 | mavhc | I'm sure all the lawyers will be happy about that |
| 10:05.17 | teotwaki__ | Lawyers? Who needs lawyers? It's a clear cut case. |
| 10:05.46 | teotwaki__ | under French law, anyway. People have the right to take a picture of anything they'd like, so long they *never* show it to someone else but themselves. |
| 10:06.33 | mavhc | https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Si7a0ywWDsE/UCt0OZ4bATI/AAAAAAAABsk/06sYHY9Xv-w/s1263/P1400229.JPG |
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| 10:08.26 | teotwaki__ | meh, at least they have the time to take a picture. |
| 10:09.09 | teotwaki__ | in '62, Mona Lisa was displayed in the US, people got to see it for roughly 800ms, each. |
| 10:09.23 | mavhc | I went at 9pm |
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| 10:11.26 | mavhc | what's amusing is everyone ignoring the 4 van goghs 20m away |
| 10:12.51 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.funnyreign.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ipad-0.jpg |
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| 10:20.11 | mavhc | da vinci, not van gogh, I'm still asleep |
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| 12:54.16 | zeq1 | freemangordon: fennec bumped again. I've been looking in to the memory situation, one thing we could do would be to free up resources when not focussed like on Android. |
| 12:54.51 | freemangordon | zeq1: well, that won't help much when it is used :) |
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| 12:58.10 | zeq1 | that's true. but we don't really want it eating up cpu cycles when idle either. |
| 12:58.28 | zeq1 | microb seems to stop js when not focussed |
| 12:58.52 | zeq1 | focused* |
| 12:59.12 | zeq1 | can't spell today |
| 12:59.43 | freemangordon | zeq1: did you look at lite ipc for n9? |
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| 13:01.05 | zeq1 | no I haven't yet |
| 13:01.40 | freemangordon | this one:http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85191&highlight=ipc+lite |
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| 13:03.06 | zeq1 | need to try it |
| 13:03.09 | freemangordon | the fuck, I RE-ed almost the whole vkbrenderer.so but one function, hexrays fails to decompile it :(. Now I shall RE it by hand, damn. |
| 13:08.26 | vi_ | zeq1: ping!!! |
| 13:08.38 | Pali | ping MohammadAG |
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| 13:10.49 | zeq1 | vi_: pong |
| 13:11.03 | MohammadAG | Pali: Pong |
| 13:11.18 | MohammadAG | zeq1: Pong!!!!* |
| 13:11.35 | zeq1 | hi :) |
| 13:11.37 | Pali | MohammadAG, can you create cssu git repository on gitorious policy-settings-rx51 ? |
| 13:12.00 | MohammadAG | Pali: Did so when you asked me the first time :P |
| 13:12.46 | zeq1 | just off with the dog, will be back in an hour or so... |
| 13:19.17 | zeq1 | freemangordon: do you know if the sourcecode for the IPCEmbedding build is in romaxa's repo? http://hg.mozilla.org/users/romaxa_gmail.com/rmxmq ? |
| 13:22.27 | freemangordon | zeq1: NFC. according to the thread some source code should be here http://romaxa.info/fennec/IPCEmbedding/ |
| 13:23.02 | freemangordon | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Embedding/IPCLiteAPI |
| 13:23.10 | freemangordon | there are instructions |
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| 13:37.04 | Pali | pushing changes to git |
| 13:37.31 | kerio | Pali: yay |
| 13:37.37 | kerio | well, i don't really care, but yay |
| 13:37.52 | Pali | freemangordon, see: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/policy-settings-rx51 |
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| 13:44.41 | zsolt_hun | hi there.try to compile kernel-source_2.6.28-20101501 |
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| 13:45.29 | vi_ | zeq: can I mail that N900 now? |
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| 13:46.08 | zsolt_hun | but after a while cant continue during make |
| 13:47.16 | zsolt_hun | use ubuntu 12.04 with arm-linux-gnueabi |
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| 14:28.16 | zsolt_hun | is anybody here? |
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| 14:48.42 | Jef91 | Anyone know where I can find an n900 tear down guide? Need to replace a screen |
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| 14:54.51 | SpeedEvil | search wiki for l3 l4 |
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| 15:01.57 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/08/15/nokia_ceo_set_stall_by_windows_phone/ <-- head firmly through wall and cut off there |
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| 15:22.54 | freemangordon | zeq1: do you know GTK? |
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| 15:41.05 | timeless | hey |
| 15:41.14 | timeless | how do i search my n900's addressbook by city? |
| 15:43.41 | timeless | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/extended-contacts-search/ |
| 15:43.44 | timeless | goes off to try |
| 15:44.38 | timeless | hey, anyone here still play w/ the downloads/ page? |
| 15:44.45 | timeless | its comments page 1/2/3/4 stuff seems rather broke |
| 15:44.46 | timeless | n |
| 15:46.01 | timeless | !seen xclaesse |
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| 16:18.43 | kerio | ShadowJK: have you thought about putting your I/O tweaks on your wiki user page? |
| 16:19.30 | zeq1 | freemangordon: what I mean is it's a long time since I wrote any original GUI code. I've done quite a bit of debugging of other peoples code, but you don't really know what you don't know until you try to write something yourself. |
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| 16:27.39 | ShadowJK | kerio; I once tried editing on wiki, didnt work in my version of firefox and konqueror crash so I though f it |
| 16:27.51 | kerio | haha |
| 16:28.37 | ShadowJK | Same about voting for packages |
| 16:29.10 | ShadowJK | i need to manually edit URLs each time before it works, so I only do it when authors ask for testing in here... |
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| 16:37.56 | kerio | hrmpf, ICD seems to have forgotten about my gprs connection :s |
| 16:39.04 | kerio | no, fucking seriously, where is my data connection |
| 16:39.07 | kerio | i don't want to reboot |
| 16:39.08 | kerio | :/ |
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| 16:52.24 | kerio | ok, rebooting fixed it |
| 16:52.28 | kerio | this is some serious bullshit |
| 16:52.32 | kerio | i was at like two weeks of uptime |
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| 16:54.25 | MrPingu | Hi |
| 16:56.16 | MrPingu | Does Backupmenu not erase rootfs and then write to it? I had an backup with 70 mb left on rootfs, installed many programs rootfs space dropped to 60MB, restored backup from backupmenu. Rootfs space still 60MB |
| 16:56.38 | kerio | it does |
| 16:56.55 | kerio | ubifs is compressed, df -h is always a guesstimate |
| 16:57.22 | kerio | sync a couple of times |
| 17:00.32 | ZogG_laptop | ~seen slonopotamus |
| 17:00.42 | infobot | slonopotamus <~slonopota@83.149.8.177> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 41m 40s ago, saying: 'i haven't used skype on n900 30 months ago?'. |
| 17:01.20 | MrPingu | kerio: what do you mean with sync? |
| 17:01.31 | kerio | call "sync" a couple of times before df |
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| 17:06.23 | MrPingu | Doesn't help reclaiming those 10 MB :P |
| 17:07.28 | kerio | regardless, ubifs does not care about you and your supposed lack of 10mb |
| 17:07.32 | kerio | he does whatever it wants |
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| 17:07.48 | kerio | maybe you got some bad blocks that lowered the worst-case scenario for new data to save |
| 17:08.19 | MrPingu | I don't care about the 10MB, I just don't want to have junk on my phone left :) |
| 17:08.53 | MrPingu | I really installed random extra-devel stuff, if you wonder ;) |
| 17:10.22 | kerio | anyway, backupmenu cleans up / |
| 17:10.24 | kerio | so yeah |
| 17:10.47 | MrPingu | I am happy now :) |
| 17:12.22 | kerio | (: |
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| 17:41.22 | freemangordon | ~seen jonwil |
| 17:41.31 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 2h 27m 53s ago, saying: 'ok, well I dont have time to look at it right now'. |
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| 18:51.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure about BM cleaning up /? |
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| 18:53.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | since BM2 only does tarballs, I'd expect any cleaning is an optional step just doing rm -rf /, or even mkfs.ubifs |
| 18:53.55 | rm_work | waves |
| 18:54.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi rm_* |
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| 18:55.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd expect BM to just ruthlessly overwrite whatever existing files in /, leaving unknown files untouched |
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| 18:56.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I admit it's been a while since my last BMrestore |
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| 18:57.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: the BM restore says "cleaning rootfs" |
| 18:57.49 | kerio | i think it's a rm -rf / |
| 18:57.53 | kerio | well |
| 18:57.57 | kerio | rm -rf /mnt/rootfs |
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| 19:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather that, yeah |
| 19:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: is it done with each restore, or just when you ask for it? |
| 19:06.01 | kerio | when you restore rootfs, i think |
| 19:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
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| 19:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM could use a mini-cli for that |
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| 19:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, a "GUI" |
| 19:07.33 | kerio | why? |
| 19:07.44 | kerio | it's a full backup, it doesn't destroy the FS because there's no reason to |
| 19:07.51 | kerio | and because ubifs is weird as fuck |
| 19:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | "[x] erase /", and a multiselector-treeview to checkmark what to restore |
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| 19:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | top two google hits today searching for AT+CPIN or somesuch, were nobbi and shapeshifter.se :-o |
| 19:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, shapeshifter isn't such an uncommon term, so 'our' shapeshifter might be unrelated to shapeshifter.se |
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| 19:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, or maybe http://www.shapeshifter.se/2009/07/07/diy-female-female-usb-adapter/#comments |
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| 19:22.54 | Sicelo | gentlemen .. another silly problem here |
| 19:24.52 | Sicelo | what would likely cause my N900 to be unable to use dns servers of my choice, eg, 8.8.8.8? pinging this address works, but using it as my DNS server always fails to resolve. even `dig @8.8.8.8 .. ` always returns Timeout .. NO servers could be reached. |
| 19:27.16 | Sicelo | i've noticed this with my gprs/3g .. i haven't yet tested via wlan/etc |
| 19:28.12 | Sicelo | i may add .. this worked before .. at least `dig` .. i started to notice this problem about a week ago |
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| 19:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: a) maemo5 runs dnsmasq, you're not supposed to edit /etc/resolv.conf. b) probably something on the way filters traffic per port, most likely your GPRS carrier's NAT |
| 19:49.33 | Sicelo | yeah. my resolv.conf points to localhost. |
| 19:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's correct then |
| 19:50.15 | Sicelo | i'm willing to blame my carrier, but .. just wanted to be sure i didn't mess something up .. eg, upgrading to a lib with issues |
| 19:50.18 | Sicelo | :/ |
| 19:50.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing like that known (to me at least) |
| 19:51.55 | Sicelo | i'll keep the investigations going .. will try to test with my lan at work |
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| 19:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: compare `traceroute -p 53 8.8.8.8` and `traceroute 8.8.8.8` |
| 19:56.46 | Sicelo | kewl. let me see |
| 19:56.50 | Jef91 | After I add CSSU how do I get portrait mode on my n900 desktop again? |
| 19:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jef91: depends on flavour |
| 19:57.28 | Jef91 | I added the stable version |
| 19:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jef91: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable |
| 20:00.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable#hildon-desktop |
| 20:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but mere installing and operating the applet will do the gconf tweaking for you |
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| 20:05.57 | kerio | wtf is composite mode? |
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| 20:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik it means graphic elements (status bar / top bar) get rendered into another (usually video) framebuffer |
| 20:13.03 | Sicelo | thanks DocScrutinizer05. definitely something happening at my operator .. with -p 53 , i get those stars of death, lol |
| 20:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, same even here, via DSL |
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| 20:16.13 | Sicelo | oh |
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| 20:20.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that different routing depending on port/service might well cause your trouble |
| 20:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | -p 53: |
| 20:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | w/o -p: |
| 20:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ... |
| 20:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.23 | pronto | k |
| 20:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | pronto: sorry |
| 20:24.12 | pronto | DocScrutinizer: apologyze not accpented! |
| 20:24.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | then keep it |
| 20:24.32 | pronto | thanks |
| 20:25.53 | Sicelo | the routing appears to be the same here until 5 th hop. thereafter, everything times out if i specify port 53 |
| 20:25.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why is there a hotkey to enable it? |
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| 20:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | the hop-# is irrelevant, it's 217.0.70.70 that does port-dependant routing |
| 20:28.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: hm? |
| 20:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: where? which hotkey, enable what? |
| 20:28.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ctrl+shift+n is supposed to toggle composite mode in hildon-desktop |
| 20:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 20:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | compositor suspected to slow down framerate |
| 20:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe it's supposed to be poor man's fullscreen mode for games, to speed them up |
| 20:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't there any explanation on thp's site? |
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| 20:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, there isn't |
| 20:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway http://my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html is worth it |
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