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| 02:01.38 | ShadowJK | 32 days uptime on n900 |
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| 02:02.49 | ShadowJK | if I get to 60 I'll consider my last tweak having fixed the occasional I/O deadlocks that have put upper limits on system stability before |
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| 04:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: well, I'm absolutely sure I've seen uptimes >100 days on N900, so what exactly are the triggers for those instabilities? |
| 04:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ uptime |
| 04:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ uname -a |
| 04:30.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 04:46.20 | jpinx | I didn't record the uptime - but one of my n900's was up for about 6 months without break |
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| 05:04.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: I/O locking the system for long enough for the watchdog to bite? |
| 05:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | never seen that happen on mine |
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| 05:06.10 | kerio | is there a way to do a file copy with a speed meter? |
| 05:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly watchdog never kicked in, even when I managed to run system into massive swaphell where it took literally hours to recover from increasing deadlock |
| 05:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | speed meter? |
| 05:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | use dd if you want speed meter |
| 05:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | or mc |
| 05:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rsync |
| 05:07.32 | kerio | dd only shows the speed meter at the end, if you don't sigusr1 it repeatedly |
| 05:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 05:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you haven |
| 05:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 't |
| 05:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | specified what kind of speedmeneter you want at all |
| 05:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's even -v on cp |
| 05:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's iotop, or iostat or whatever it's called |
| 05:10.12 | kerio | meh, emmc->emmc speeds vary wildly during the copy |
| 05:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a dedicated bytecounter for pipes, like cat foo|meter|cat >dest |
| 05:12.25 | kerio | i hope you mean meter <foo >dest |
| 05:12.29 | kerio | >:( |
| 05:14.17 | kerio | hmm, emmc->usd speeds are a bit higher |
| 05:14.25 | kerio | but they still drop after a bit |
| 05:14.38 | kerio | meh :c |
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| 05:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I dunno about any progress bar thingie. All I ever need is (in) mc, dd, and zenity |
| 05:27.55 | Macer | i remember long ago mv and cp having a progress bar or % thing |
| 05:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh? |
| 05:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe on msdos |
| 05:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 05:29.36 | Macer | heh |
| 05:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | rsync seems to do what you want |
| 05:29.44 | Macer | no ;) |
| 05:30.03 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: yeah i guess but the cp/mv in slackware a decade ago had it integrated |
| 05:30.16 | Macer | i mean it wasn't a dealbreaker but still... i thought it was a nice thing to have |
| 05:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't sound like linux/unix |
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| 05:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe some builtin in some weird messybox-alike shell |
| 05:32.03 | Macer | possibly |
| 05:32.32 | joga | (didn't read whole buffer) you can pipe stuff through 'pv' to get a progress bar |
| 05:33.21 | joga | not sure if it was in the repos though :) |
| 05:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | pv :-) thanks joga |
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| 05:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | though that seems not exactly a standard unix-tool |
| 05:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even on my desktop |
| 05:34.30 | joga | yeah I guess |
| 05:34.33 | joga | http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml |
| 05:35.09 | joga | when I once found such exists I kinda wished it or something similar was part of the core utils |
| 05:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess wc could use some more modes |
| 05:38.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, no PC will get touched by me that has not either MC or at least NC |
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| 05:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | mc as much a standard as is bash, in my book ;-) |
| 05:41.55 | joga | I never really got used to using stuff like mc |
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| 05:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, mc isn't that useful when you're not used to it |
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| 05:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | if however you're used to mc, it's faster than cmdline, by far |
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| 05:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit it's not THAT useful on tiny screen like N900 |
| 05:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need a certain minimum display size to use it |
| 05:55.56 | joga | I guess I've been stuck with using the command line for most stuff since I used to use symbian putty to access the shell and the terminal size issues sometimes mean that progs crash or refuse to start etc |
| 05:56.41 | joga | but I've sometimes checked some ncurses file managers etc, but haven't bothered to learn them so it would be faster to use for me |
| 05:58.34 | joga | should I do that though, I guess I would learn the most common one |
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| 06:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so mc :-) |
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| 06:22.07 | joga | DocScrutinizer05 yeah, well, it's what I've probably used the most (or nc in dos), which isn't much :) |
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| 08:49.44 | jpinx | I got the same when trying to install open ssh :( |
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| 10:25.34 | timo^ | I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 on a 16GB uSD card. When I try to start it with Uboot it gives the error 'Wrong ramdisk format' and I'm dropped in a shell... |
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| 10:48.39 | kerio | timo^: i think the ramdisk format isn't the right one |
| 10:52.26 | timo^ | and how do I change it? :) |
| 10:53.20 | kerio | beats me |
| 10:53.30 | kerio | why do you even want to install ubuntu 12.04 on your n900? |
| 10:53.37 | kerio | ubuntu dropped armel support since 9.10 |
| 10:53.42 | timo^ | just for fun :P |
| 10:53.56 | timo^ | (now I have Meego, 'cause Ubuntu didn't work ;) ) |
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| 11:13.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | jpinx: use armel packages, not x86 |
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| 11:17.40 | vi_ | zeq: ping |
| 11:19.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi vi_ |
| 11:19.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | got your git? |
| 11:23.42 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; heavy read/write load to emmc, home and swap simultaneously |
| 11:24.11 | ShadowJK | iirc this deadlock never triggered for me with just heavy swapping |
| 11:24.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmmm |
| 11:24.50 | ShadowJK | but for example downloading stuff with gpodder and opening a heavy web page would often be the trigger for me, but only after weeks of uptime |
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| 11:25.39 | ShadowJK | the device actually in best situation doesn't become totally unresponsive, just that only stuff in ram works |
| 11:26.38 | ShadowJK | so if you accidentally trigger wm or h-d to try fault in a page not in ram, device becomes practically unusable |
| 11:27.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 11:27.39 | ShadowJK | and recovery then consists of holding powerbutton which triggers shutdown, which stalls, then watchdog resets device |
| 11:27.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | flash in microb can do this |
| 11:28.41 | ShadowJK | Note that when all this happens, it's not because I/O is swamping system, I/O stalls. The queues are full, but the i/o devices sit idle doing nothing. |
| 11:29.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
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| 11:31.20 | ShadowJK | iirc this article, of all unlikely places, was what made me try slice_idle=0: http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH68863 |
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| 12:38.54 | zobi8225 | hi do you continue tu use matchbox for your WM ? |
| 12:39.05 | zobi8225 | is it a good WM ? |
| 12:43.16 | kerio | ShadowJK: what's slice_idle? |
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| 15:01.08 | kerio | ShadowJK: so... what are your fixes regarding I/O speed and stability? |
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| 15:43.43 | sLumPia | hi guys, i have a question. i just reflashed my phone and installed thumb2 |
| 15:43.45 | sLumPia | is it okay if i also install kernel power? |
| 15:44.23 | sLumPia | or i should install kernel power first, then thumb2 |
| 15:44.24 | sLumPia | ? |
| 15:45.10 | kerio | sLumPia: if you followed the TMO thread, then you already have something very similar to KP51r1 |
| 15:45.19 | kerio | kernel-cssu is really just a rebrand of kernel-power |
| 15:45.28 | kerio | if you want to, you can just install kernel-power-flasher, as usual |
| 15:45.39 | kerio | although i would remove kernel-cssu* |
| 15:45.47 | kerio | otherwise you'll use a lot of space on your rootfs, for the modules |
| 15:46.50 | sLumPia | kerio: i read the thread, but can't find the answer. |
| 15:47.17 | sLumPia | ok, so i want to overclock my phone to 805, just like what i do with kp |
| 15:47.36 | sLumPia | how can i oc my n900 with thumb? |
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| 15:48.24 | kerio | kernel-power-settings should still work |
| 15:48.30 | kerio | but as i told you, you can install kernel-power if you want |
| 15:48.49 | kerio | KP51r1 has the thumb2 errata fix |
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| 15:51.18 | sLumPia | so let me get this straight. i should just: 1. remove kernel-cssu (from ham) |
| 15:51.19 | sLumPia | 2. install kernel-power-flasher |
| 15:51.27 | sLumPia | ? |
| 15:52.59 | kerio | perhaps you shouldn't overclock at all |
| 15:53.15 | kerio | not to be insulting or anything, but it *is* somewhat of an advanced topic |
| 15:53.49 | kerio | and understanding how to overclock with cssu-thumb kinda requires to know, in general, how the n900's kernel works |
| 15:53.53 | kerio | at least from an user's perspective |
| 15:53.58 | sLumPia | kerio: np. i just install kernel-power-settings and load dsp profile |
| 15:54.00 | kerio | just install kernel-power-settings |
| 15:54.02 | kerio | yep |
| 15:54.12 | kerio | it should work - it's the same kernel, after all |
| 15:54.17 | sLumPia | as you said, it work with kernel-cssu |
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| 15:55.56 | sLumPia | i never really follow up thumb discussion before, so i got a little confuse |
| 15:56.04 | sLumPia | thanks for the advice |
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| 16:59.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just wonder whyyou still need to torture your device by OC, when you got lightning fast thumb2 |
| 17:00.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | no matter what I'm running, no matter how slow or fast it feels, OC is a must, as it's 1337 |
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| 17:02.26 | ShadowJK | kerio; nr_request > 2000, slice_idle=0, min_free-kbytes=4096 |
| 17:02.44 | kerio | hm, i have nr_requests at 8192, is it too much? |
| 17:03.20 | ShadowJK | no |
| 17:14.40 | MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05, for 720p recording / playback you defenitely need OC |
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| 17:15.27 | MrPingu | That's the only reason when I OC, rest of the time I always cap it at 600mhz |
| 17:18.01 | kerio | why the hell do you need 720p playback? |
| 17:18.06 | kerio | you don't even *have* 720 lines |
| 17:24.13 | SpeedEvil | You do in portrait. |
| 17:31.00 | trx | lol |
| 17:31.38 | kerio | but then you don't have 1280 columns! |
| 17:32.11 | MrPingu | Because I recorded in 720p |
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| 17:32.39 | MrPingu | The rest of my movies I convert to 800x480, don't worry |
| 17:32.43 | kerio | well, see what your recording brought us? D: |
| 17:33.27 | MrPingu | Better quality? |
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| 18:24.01 | MrPingu | Is there an easy way/command to list all packages in extras-devel including versionnumber? |
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| 18:37.15 | x29a | MrPingu: like http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ ? |
| 18:40.51 | mickname | Hey, is there any sensible way to get some kind of push-notifications on n900? |
| 18:43.03 | x29a | mickname: notification of what? |
| 18:43.09 | mickname | i want a system like irssinotify on android |
| 18:43.35 | mickname | basically custom notifications of remote events |
| 18:43.42 | mickname | without polling every few minutes |
| 18:44.39 | MrPingu | X29a: Yes something like that but not divided in pages... |
| 18:45.45 | x29a | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ |
| 18:57.55 | MrPingu | Is there now any way to the directorytree in a textfile? |
| 19:00.59 | x29a | mind telling your intentions? |
| 19:01.03 | x29a | might be easier this way |
| 19:03.40 | MrPingu | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82374&page=5 |
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| 19:04.39 | MrPingu | Sorting out all devel applications which have decent quality so they can get in the end to extras repo |
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| 20:03.50 | ZogG_laptop | MrPingu: ping |
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| 20:28.57 | MrPingu | ZogG_laptop: pong |
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| 20:58.36 | MrPingu | Zogg_laptop: ping |
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| 21:04.09 | ZogG_laptop | MrPingu: :0 |
| 21:04.29 | ZogG_laptop | MrPingu: is it your's — http://cgit.pingu.fi ? |
| 21:05.40 | MrPingu | Zogg_laptop: nope |
| 21:06.34 | ZogG_laptop | =( |
| 21:06.40 | ZogG_laptop | other pingu |
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| 21:09.48 | mase76 | what do you think, is better for battery, 500 to 900 or 250 to 900? |
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| 21:36.02 | MrPingu | Do you have smartreflex already enabled? |
| 21:37.35 | MrPingu | I think 250 - 900 is better, but why not lowering your max and save more battery? |
| 21:37.50 | MrPingu | (and save your cpu lifetime) |
| 21:39.02 | kerio | mase76: i'd say that 250-600 is better for your cpu |
| 21:39.55 | mase76 | smartreflex is enabled |
| 21:43.14 | mase76 | what profile do you use? |
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| 21:55.34 | MrPingu | Default, 250 - 600 SR vdd 1 and vdd2 enabled |
| 21:56.06 | MrPingu | Sometimes the dsp profile, if needed for 720p recording |
| 21:56.59 | MrPingu | For better responsiveness I suggest to use swap on uSD + swappolube |
| 21:57.08 | kerio | swappolube has some seriously stupid settings |
| 21:57.17 | kerio | like a low queue/nr_requests |
| 22:00.00 | MrPingu | What value do you use? |
| 22:00.10 | MrPingu | I use 512 |
| 22:01.38 | kerio | ShadowJK says 4096 or 8192 |
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| 22:01.52 | kerio | and a couple of other I/O parameters |
| 22:02.02 | kerio | to avoid deadlocks and the generally slow I/O the n900 has |
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| 22:09.10 | MrPingu | What about these settings: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:mr_pingu#setting_up_the_device |
| 22:09.12 | MrPingu | ? |
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