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| 01:55.15 | jpinx | I just reflashed and rebooted n900. How do I get root? The old default root pwd does not appear to be accepted. I have no internet on the device - I need root so that I can connect through the laptop |
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| 04:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | install rootsh |
| 04:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | also install openssh, it asks for root password to set |
| 04:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't use fapman to install, it's known to have problemns with that |
| 04:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | to get root, you use command `root` on device (or on ssh to user, you need to set user passwd to ssh to user account), or you do `ssh root@<your-n900-IP>` right away, which will ask for the root password |
| 04:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is no such thing like a default password |
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| 04:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | . |
| 04:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 04:47.39 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 04:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal messybox |
| 04:47.50 | infobot | "messybox" is "<reply>messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils" |
| 04:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: : no, messybox is <reply>messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 04:48.51 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 04:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess why user can't set own password! X-P |
| 04:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, actually passwd *is* a set-suid discrete binary. Well, I'm not awake yet |
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| 05:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it seems passwd pkg is a component of mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
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| 05:39.20 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I'm in Catch-22 -- the n900 has no way to connect to the internet to install stuff, I need to do that through the laptop, but I need root to configure the n900 |
| 05:40.02 | jpinx | can I download rootsh as a.deb and install it by hand ? |
| 05:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | download and cp via mass storage mode the rootsh.deb pkg |
| 05:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly |
| 05:40.47 | jpinx | ok - where's rootsh.deb to be found via http? |
| 05:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | clicking on a .deb in filemanager should open HAM |
| 05:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/rootsh/ |
| 05:42.08 | jpinx | thanks dude -- you encourage my laziness ;) |
| 05:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fremantle Extras free armel |
| 05:43.09 | jpinx | I assume it's this one ... Fremantle Extras free armelrootsh 1.8 |
| 05:44.07 | jpinx | File: |
| 05:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/ |
| 05:44.11 | jpinx | rootsh_1.8_all.deb |
| 05:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | open in browser, click 'install' |
| 05:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, sorry, no internet |
| 05:44.52 | jpinx | ;) |
| 05:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.8_all.deb |
| 05:48.08 | jpinx | :/ filemanager sulks while the device is mounted in mass storage mode on the laptop |
| 05:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | never try to access /MyDocs or uSD card on device when in mass storage mode |
| 05:49.31 | jpinx | pulled the plug out,,,,, |
| 05:49.34 | jpinx | installed now |
| 05:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case you create phantom files that eat storage space while not visible when MyDocs gets re-mounted |
| 05:49.55 | jpinx | eewww.. sounds nasty |
| 05:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not filemanager that sucks, it's simply the umount necessary to export the fs |
| 05:51.05 | jpinx | I wonder if I can log into the n900 from the laptop and do the rest of the config on the command line over ssh |
| 05:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ala Nokia 'forgot' to consider any reasonable way to lock or block the mountpoint dirs |
| 05:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas* |
| 05:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd need ssh for that |
| 05:51.55 | jpinx | doh -- of course..... |
| 05:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | same procedure |
| 05:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you need to care about connection between PC and N900. see wiki, search for networking |
| 05:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 05:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I found everything but WLAN direct access to internet a PITA on N900, to do any installing |
| 06:03.59 | jpinx | yea - I had that done a few years ago |
| 06:04.05 | jpinx | but I forgot how ;) |
| 06:05.06 | jpinx | now I have 2 n900's - one connected by gprs and the linux laptop connected to it as modem . , but now I need to connect the 2nd n900 through the laptop as well to get it online ;) |
| 06:05.22 | jpinx | no wifi here ;) |
| 06:08.22 | jpinx | 2nd n900 was a cheapy bought broken - I just fitted new screen, sorted kbd, reflashed and now works fine :) |
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| 09:08.26 | ebzzry | on the n900, is there a command that would simulate the camera button press? |
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| 09:48.39 | joga | ebzzry not sure but do you want to somehow simulate the actual event or just bring up the camera ui? |
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| 09:54.23 | ShadowJK | phone-control can take pic |
| 09:57.39 | kerio | ebzzry: look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 09:58.11 | ebzzry | phone-control can do it, but very limited. |
| 09:59.02 | ebzzry | some observations are: 1- objects are not in focus, 2- the exposure is borky, and 3- the resulting image is overall bad in quality. |
| 09:59.30 | ebzzry | the goal is to simulate taking a picture or video, remotely. |
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| 10:17.47 | vi_ | gstlaunch |
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| 10:27.28 | ebzzry | vi_: that's the same thing that phone-control uses. |
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| 12:11.10 | Vibe | theres no libdb4.8 for maemo? |
| 12:12.52 | Vibe | seems just to be lib4.2 :/ |
| 12:13.30 | Ionakka | Vibe: try building one from debian under maemo |
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| 13:18.13 | kgu | MohammadAG: What would it take to make Sociality hide the same updates as a user choose to hide on facebook.com? |
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| 14:46.29 | jonwil | pali: pinh |
| 14:46.37 | Pali | jonwil, pong |
| 14:46.45 | Pali | jonwil, prolog is decompiled |
| 14:46.56 | Pali | source changed and compiled back |
| 14:47.07 | Pali | and headset button is working on my n900 :-) |
| 14:47.12 | jonwil | how did you completly decompile the prolog? |
| 14:47.27 | Pali | predicate listing() |
| 14:47.41 | Pali | and that predicate which return all prediates |
| 14:47.59 | Pali | I created shell script which do it automatically (detect source prolog file, ...) |
| 14:48.20 | Pali | and all needed glue (like :- module(...) ) |
| 14:48.26 | jonwil | ok, neat |
| 14:48.46 | jonwil | you should post the decompiled prolog code somewhere... |
| 14:48.46 | Pali | and I created deb package policy-settings-rx51 which compile prolog code at compile time |
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| 14:48.55 | Pali | + add binary dresc file |
| 14:49.04 | Pali | yes, I'm waiting for merlin to create cssu repo for that |
| 14:49.21 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:49.24 | Pali | I have git repo on my hdd, but I do not have permission for creating cssu repo |
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| 14:49.56 | Pali | For creating script I used our prolog investigation from irc log |
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| 14:50.52 | Pali | I looked at dres file in ohm console and it show me that ohm has only information that there exists some "jackbias" fact |
| 14:51.18 | Pali | so in my opinion, policy.dresc contains only initial value for jackbias, nothing more |
| 14:51.23 | jonwil | ok |
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| 14:52.30 | jonwil | I dont think its worth trying to decompile the policy.dresc file |
| 14:53.00 | Pali | basicly when you connect to ohm console, you can get all fact database state |
| 14:53.25 | Pali | and also it show pseudo byte code for dres (pseudo)functions |
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| 14:54.02 | Pali | rewriting that functions to human readable code will be hard |
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| 14:54.50 | Pali | ohm console show ohm function instructions in some objdump -d style |
| 14:55.02 | Pali | but we do not need it now |
| 14:55.18 | Pali | main problem - enable headset button - is fixed |
| 14:55.49 | Pali | but I still do not know if all prolog code was decompiled and if nothing is missing |
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| 14:56.56 | Pali | at least it working on my n900 for one week without problem... |
| 14:56.56 | jonwil | ok |
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| 15:19.36 | MohammadAG | kgu: If Facebook returns the data of a hidden user it's a bug on their side |
| 15:21.22 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: what about the thing you were talking to me about? |
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| 15:25.09 | Pali | MohammadAG, can you create cssu git repo policy-settings-rx51? |
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| 16:48.44 | infobot | ajalkane <~ajalkane@a88-115-212-112.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 22h 3m 54s ago, saying: 'djszapi_: o/'. |
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| 19:02.06 | Usrdvarok | can someone explain to me what the relationship is between maemo and meego? |
| 19:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo is a discontinued Nokia product |
| 19:02.35 | kerio | Usrdvarok: maemo is a good OS |
| 19:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo is what was formed when Intel and Nokia joined Moblin and Maemo. |
| 19:03.12 | Usrdvarok | so is meego still linux based? |
| 19:04.08 | Usrdvarok | and what phones run meego? |
| 19:07.22 | ShadowJK | N9. |
| 19:07.46 | ShadowJK | oops, lagged |
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| 19:11.02 | kerio | Usrdvarok: the N9 runs something weird |
| 19:11.09 | teotwaki_ | tips hat at GeneralAntilles |
| 19:11.10 | teotwaki_ | ~ping |
| 19:11.10 | infobot | ~pong |
| 19:11.22 | teotwaki_ | ah, finally |
| 19:11.25 | teotwaki_ | that was a long lag. |
| 19:11.31 | teotwaki_ | GeneralAntilles: did you get my PMs? |
| 19:11.36 | kerio | teotwaki_: /ping will also work, and will only bother the server :) |
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| 19:12.00 | teotwaki_ | kerio: like it bothered you :P |
| 19:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | teotwaki_, sorry, researching pool pumps. |
| 19:12.43 | kerio | i bet she does, i bet she does |
| 19:12.45 | kerio | wink wink nudge nudge saynomore |
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| 19:19.25 | teotwaki_ | she? |
| 19:19.26 | teotwaki_ | wait, what? |
| 19:19.45 | teotwaki_ | oh, and to complete the wink wink, nudge nudge: stomp stomp. |
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| 21:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: |
| 21:37.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:10] <teotwaki_> ~ping |
| 21:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:10] <infobot> ~pong |
| 21:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:11] <teotwaki_> ~ping |
| 21:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:13] <teotwaki_> ~ping |
| 21:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:22] <teotwaki_> ah, finally |
| 21:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:25] <teotwaki_> that was a long lag. |
| 21:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, the question is; where? |
| 21:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | or just http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-08-13.log.html#t2012-08-13T22:11:09 |
| 21:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: botsnack |
| 21:42.50 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 21:43.09 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 21:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? |
| 21:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, povbot missing in the list |
| 21:44.00 | *** mode/#maemo [+v povbot_] by ChanServ |
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| 21:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | (for those wondering: my IRC client sorts userlist by "+o, +v, <others>" |
| 21:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 21:47.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite convenient on #freenode as well as watching 'official' bots here |
| 21:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | as well as *for* |
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| 22:25.02 | zsolt_hun | hi there |
| 22:25.43 | trumee | channel been a bit low today |
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| 22:26.34 | zsolt_hun | how is it possible to extract initrd and vmlinuz from maemo n900 package? |
| 22:26.46 | trumee | is there any utility to test microsd speed on N900? |
| 22:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | low? |
| 22:32.39 | trumee | traffic |
| 22:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | zsolt_hun: you'll have a hard time extracting initrd from maemo5 |
| 22:33.43 | zsolt_hun | i need a initrd and vmlinuz for debian that is compatible with my n900 |
| 22:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | too bad |
| 22:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what makes you think you'll find such initrd in maemo5? |
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| 22:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # cat /proc/mtd |
| 22:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # less -f /dev/mtd4ro |
| 22:37.55 | zsolt_hun | thank you very much |
| 22:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | no sarcasm please! I demonstrated you how to learn there's no initrd in maemo5 |
| 22:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a real hacker would've answered "not at all" - if anything |
| 22:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~question |
| 22:43.41 | infobot | question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 22:45.07 | zsolt_hun | you are right |
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| 22:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you even learnt there's an unused partition on N900 you could use for doing awesome 1337 stuff |
| 22:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I wasn't able to deliver a receipe how to create a proper initrd from easy-debian |
| 22:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not that I rhink this could be done at all) |
| 23:03.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway neither maemo5 nor mer nor meego nor nitdroid needs an initrd for all I know. why would you? |
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| 23:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | is temped to check wikipedia initrd to find "a dirty halfarsed hack to speed up system boot. obsoleted by modified suspend-to-disk schemes" |
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| 23:21.26 | nox- | i thought the main reason for initrds was linux bootloaders couldnt preload modules individually? |
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| 23:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what monolithic kernels were made for |
| 23:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, before initrd came, you needed to build a kernel with monolithic modules for your rootfs and graca and whatnot else |
| 23:30.45 | nox- | yeah |
| 23:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily our variance in hw configs is rather limited in embedded |
| 23:31.29 | nox- | i guess |
| 23:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no use in 'latebinding' kernel with modules needed for booting |
| 23:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can already ship right kernel "from factory" |
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| 23:33.52 | nox- | so there zsolt has why n900 has no initrd |
| 23:34.01 | nox- | and he left |
| 23:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays bootloaders are able to load not only initrd but complete full fledged system RAM images from HDD |
| 23:34.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | called resume-from-HDD |
| 23:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik windoze never gets booted nowadays, only "resumed" from a master suspended image |
| 23:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably it also would be faster to "swap in" 250MB from a r/o swap partition rather than initialize maemo each time again |
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| 23:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | boot once, "suspend to disk", copy that "swap" to a r/o file, and resume from that, then immediately "reswap" to proper r/w swap partition |
| 23:43.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | no rocketscience |
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| 23:50.25 | kgu | Any of you guys using digsby? |
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