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| 00:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | just that nobody here could actually do anything against that |
| 00:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: or could you? ^^^ |
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| 01:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: still spamattack? |
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| 01:52.30 | LaoLang_cool | He is hacking nemo! |
| 01:52.47 | LaoLang_cool | oh, nemo broken my sdcard! |
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| 01:58.26 | iluminator105 | how do you reinstall maemo on n900 or go back factory settings |
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| 02:02.59 | nox- | ~flashing |
| 02:03.00 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 02:59.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | iluminator105: ^ |
| 03:00.04 | iluminator105 | DocScrutinizer, yea |
| 03:00.44 | iluminator105 | i was thinking to just put meego on it, has anyone installed meego to harddrive how was it |
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| 09:49.17 | andre__ | zeq: what about fixing your connection? |
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| 09:49.36 | zeq | yeah, I know :( |
| 09:50.17 | zeq | I'm on t-mobile, I've no idea what's up with their network this morning. My signal is fine. |
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| 13:11.32 | Shapeshifter | Mh. I must have screwed up something. I just restarted my N900 and as soon as the desktop starts loading, hildon-desktop crashes. I think it's automatically respawned a few times and then nothing happens (i.e. all widgets are sitting on top of each other etc - no window management). I managed to open a terminal. starting hildon-desktop gives a Segmentation Fault. |
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| 13:12.24 | Shapeshifter | I reverted any changes that I did immediately prior to the restart (changing two gconf keys, one for kb layout, one for HAM update notifications) but they didn't make a difference. I suspect it must be caused by theme-customizer. How can I revert hildon-desktop to its old state? |
| 13:15.31 | freemangordon | Shapeshifter: try with apt-get instal --reinstall hildon-desktop. Most probably your /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini is screwed up |
| 13:15.46 | freemangordon | you may check if there is some backup in the above directory |
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| 13:31.48 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: thanks, you were right. having had the wrong kb layout I accidentally messed up transitions.ini while editing it in vim ;) |
| 13:33.28 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: aren't you supposed to be on holiday? giving support until the last minute? ^^ |
| 13:33.43 | freemangordon | :D |
| 13:33.51 | freemangordon | well, from tomorrow ;) |
| 13:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems (M)HD terribly missing sanity checks for config |
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| 13:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe for a first bandaid we could move transitions.ini to transitions.ini-BAD and replace it with a default transitions.ini, when dsme respawn limit gets reached |
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| 13:43.11 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: In general it would be nice if it was possible to boot into a recovery console like in any normal distro. I can't remember what it was that made this complicated. |
| 13:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | in CSSU I suggested (and it got accepted) to change dsme start of HD from "reboot after too many respawns" to "give up after too many respawns". So you (in theory) still should be able to open a terminal via kbd shortcut |
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| 13:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: if you hadn't installed CSSU you probably would've ended with a bootloop needing a reflash ;-) |
| 13:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: anyway I think you should open a ticket against (M)HD, regarding "segfaults on 'illegal' chars in transitions.ini" |
| 13:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | this has to get fixed eventually |
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| 13:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sanity check for config data isn't optional or "nice to have", it's mandatory |
| 13:48.29 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, since Fremantle has ability to count number of failed respawn, there should be a "Safe Mode" for hildon, much like FMG has done for system-ui on harmattan |
| 13:48.44 | Hurrian | probably keep a transitions.ini_safe file somewhere |
| 13:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: that's what I suggested above, yes |
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| 13:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm not sure there's a counter for respawns available anywhere outside dsme |
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| 13:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh yes, there are the dsme fault statistics somewhere insane location in /*/lib/* or sth |
| 13:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | we could place an inotify watch on that |
| 13:51.18 | Wizzup_ | I'm setting up a new n900, do I want cssu testing or cssu stable? I think my other phone has been on cssu testing for a long time |
| 13:51.25 | Wizzup_ | and cssu stable doesn't seem to provide a lot at this point |
| 13:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: cssu-s provides almost all that's in testing as well |
| 13:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | only most of the stuff defaults to disabled |
| 13:52.12 | Wizzup_ | I see |
| 13:52.15 | Wizzup_ | the changelog did not list that |
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| 13:52.42 | Wizzup_ | or rather, the page links were confusing |
| 13:52.45 | Wizzup_ | I'll go for stable then |
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| 13:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also think a new S release is overdue |
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| 13:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask merlin1991or chem|st about details of Stable |
| 13:54.48 | Wizzup_ | well the wiki linked to a page of changelogs for stable and testing, and stable page is pretty much empty where testing lists all the changes |
| 13:54.56 | merlin1991 | well stable does not have the camera-ui replacement, and is missing ke-recv and friends atm |
| 13:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 13:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: yep, that's what I thought |
| 13:55.20 | merlin1991 | Wizzup_: Initial release of stable cssu Branch, contains the following packages from cssu-testing 16.8, with any changes on top listed in 2nd col: |
| 13:55.30 | merlin1991 | that's why it's waaaaaaay shorter ;) |
| 13:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's basically showing diff to Testing, not to stock |
| 13:56.23 | Wizzup_ | 16.8? I can't find that here http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
| 13:56.39 | merlin1991 | Wizzup_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#PR_1.3.3.7-10.8 |
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| 13:57.05 | merlin1991 | (which has the version number 20.2010.36-2maemo16.8) |
| 13:57.31 | Wizzup_ | I see, thanks |
| 13:57.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I knew this will bite our ass long time ;-P |
| 13:57.32 | merlin1991 | I have to admit, our versioning scheme is confusing |
| 13:57.41 | Wizzup_ | quite |
| 13:57.45 | Wizzup_ | :) |
| 13:58.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, got sanitized with introduction of S |
| 13:58.11 | Wizzup_ | not complaining though, I'm very happy with cssu |
| 13:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and T |
| 13:58.58 | Wizzup_ | Going to install the sdk in a bit and see if I can write/port a little game I was writing |
| 13:59.29 | Wizzup_ | Going to try gles2 and golang, see how it works out |
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| 14:01.08 | merlin1991 | hm new stable is overdue, libxml2, openssl, libcurl, libhildon and pango fixes |
| 14:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: see above ;-) |
| 14:01.23 | merlin1991 | also our patched ke-recv seems to have reached a somewhat stable state |
| 14:01.30 | Wizzup_ | I also read some nice things about omp |
| 14:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-10 15:53:01] <DocScrutinizer05> I also think a new S release is overdue |
| 14:01.45 | merlin1991 | Wizzup_: omp is not part of cssu though |
| 14:02.07 | Wizzup_ | I noticed, but it figured it might become a part sooner or later |
| 14:02.18 | merlin1991 | but I have it installed and edited the dbus config file of hte stock player to have it always :D |
| 14:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | omp? |
| 14:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 14:02.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | omp is clearly optional |
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| 14:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | mafw might be cssu, player surface is clealry in user's discretion which to use |
| 14:03.59 | Wizzup_ | I'm also wondering if it's possible to have LAN games between two N900s |
| 14:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing else in system depends on a fixed version of (o)mp |
| 14:04.11 | Wizzup_ | I'm trying to make a shoot em up and want to see how that goes with lan |
| 14:04.22 | Wizzup_ | ping over wlan seems to be 40ms though, so 80ms delay |
| 14:04.26 | Wizzup_ | should be doable |
| 14:04.51 | merlin1991 | you could try loading g_ether on both and connecting them via usb :D |
| 14:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 14:05.18 | Wizzup_ | right, I've been trying to get n900 usb net to work, been using mobile hotspot mainly though |
| 14:05.57 | Wizzup_ | wiki.maemo.org seems awfully slow atm |
| 14:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm not sure USB is any faster re RTT |
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| 14:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ping time also might vastly improve on WLAN when going to "PSM: none" |
| 14:06.53 | Wizzup_ | for OMP I suppose I should quickly turn on extras-devel, install omp, and then disable extras-devel again? |
| 14:07.03 | Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: I'll make a note of that |
| 14:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ad-hoc |
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| 14:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: (omp) yes |
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| 14:08.23 | Wizzup_ | well let's start fapman and see what happens :) |
| 14:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | EEEEK |
| 14:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need a HARM-alike MALF when fapman gets started X-P |
| 14:09.37 | Wizzup_ | lol |
| 14:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | "sorry luser, we detected severe PEBCAK, please reflash!" |
| 14:09.53 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: "apt: Launched from unsigned caller, refusing process initiation" |
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| 14:11.22 | Hurrian | yeah, we need markers in Fremantle for user tampering with certain crap that makes it do weird things |
| 14:11.46 | Wizzup_ | Wait, am I at fault for using fapman? |
| 14:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: CSSU doesn't support fapman, ultimately |
| 14:12.37 | Wizzup_ | I know, I already have cssu |
| 14:12.37 | Hurrian | just don't do Maemo software upgrades using fapman |
| 14:12.44 | Wizzup_ | this is just for adding repo extras-devel and installing omp |
| 14:12.59 | Hurrian | I don't think fapman even sees Maemo software upgrades |
| 14:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | might work, no warranties or support form CSSU though |
| 14:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway for me that's HAM or apt-get, any day |
| 14:13.52 | Wizzup_ | I already have cssu-s |
| 14:13.57 | Wizzup_ | or testing even, on this one |
| 14:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman notorious to do nasty |
| 14:14.47 | Wizzup_ | Also wondering why omp isn't in testing, at least, I like to live on the edge somewhat but extras-devel is really on the edge and has a _lot_ of packages |
| 14:14.53 | Wizzup_ | Isn't omp stable enough to be in testing at least? |
| 14:15.20 | Hurrian | Wizzup_, iirc OMP does dailies now that FMG's done with exams |
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| 14:15.51 | Hurrian | almost no one bothers to QA, so if you want the latest and greatest you're going to have to put up with it |
| 14:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 14:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman notorious to do nasty |
| 14:16.09 | jon_y | what does it do? |
| 14:16.13 | Wizzup_ | Hurrian: so I will have to switch on extras-devel every now and then ;) |
| 14:16.15 | StyXman | DocScrutinizer05: such as? I use it almos exclusively |
| 14:16.53 | Hurrian | Wizzup_, use apt-pinning, seriously. |
| 14:17.07 | Wizzup_ | Hurrian: Yeah I read that, but extras-devel makes the normal application manager _so_ _slow_ :P |
| 14:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | StyXman: I never investigated that as it would need me installing fapman. But it seems it spins around autoremove and not always executing postinstall scripts the right way |
| 14:18.13 | jon_y | isn't that dpkg's job to run post install? |
| 14:18.32 | Wizzup_ | omp seems much, much more responsive. |
| 14:18.48 | Hurrian | Wizzup_, the people that came up with apt-worker should be shot |
| 14:18.52 | Wizzup_ | yes |
| 14:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I installed fapman once when it been fresh, fsckd my system during 2 days, I nuked it and will never touch it again. Others do and report about occasional problems |
| 14:19.03 | Hurrian | iirc it manually processes each package management-related file |
| 14:19.06 | Hurrian | one. by. one. |
| 14:19.38 | StyXman | DocScrutinizer05: ack |
| 14:20.22 | freemangordon | Hurrian: exams? FMG? |
| 14:20.26 | Wizzup_ | Also, since there seems to be some activity here, how hard would it be to replace the old pulseaudio with a newer version |
| 14:20.32 | Wizzup_ | I compiled a newer one in a chroot |
| 14:20.38 | Wizzup_ | (have a gentoo chroot on n900 somewhere) |
| 14:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and definitely CSSU gets extended functions into HAM that for sure aren't ported to fapman |
| 14:21.03 | Hurrian | freemangordon, crap, was sleepy. Was referring to MAG. |
| 14:21.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | so basic rule: on CSSu use HAM, as that's the official tool for managing apps |
| 14:21.08 | merlin1991 | Wizzup_: just wget the .deb of omp and use dpkg -i |
| 14:21.17 | merlin1991 | afaik it does not have any silly dependencies |
| 14:21.19 | Wizzup_ | merlin1991: That's a pain with updates though, but thanks |
| 14:21.21 | Wizzup_ | No, it hasn't |
| 14:21.21 | Hurrian | these maemo.org TLAs get my head wound up after a while. |
| 14:21.39 | freemangordon | Hurrian: :) |
| 14:21.59 | Wizzup_ | Mainly asking because pulseaudio was stupid enough to break their protocol for no reason |
| 14:22.08 | merlin1991 | Wizzup_: what's the point of newer pulseaudio, except for more poettering? |
| 14:22.12 | Wizzup_ | And my cuboc (arm device) runs PA 1.1 and I stream all my audio to that |
| 14:22.15 | Wizzup_ | cubox* |
| 14:22.34 | Wizzup_ | merlin1991, I'd like to be able to stream all sound from n900 to a wallcomputer, so to say |
| 14:22.40 | Wizzup_ | which is then connected to speakers |
| 14:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: infobot should know them alll, if it's missing one, just tell me ;-) |
| 14:23.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: heya |
| 14:23.12 | ZogG_laptop | ~TLA |
| 14:23.12 | infobot | somebody said tla was Three Letter Acronym, or the name of the binary for GNU arch |
| 14:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: hey :-D |
| 14:23.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~etla |
| 14:23.32 | infobot | Extended Three Letter Acronym (pronounced /ee tee el ay/) |
| 14:23.48 | Hurrian | ~fmg |
| 14:23.49 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: :P |
| 14:24.08 | ZogG_laptop | ~zogg |
| 14:24.08 | infobot | rumour has it, zogg is awesome |
| 14:24.11 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, I think that's missing. |
| 14:24.32 | Wizzup_ | I'm in love with OMP |
| 14:24.35 | Wizzup_ | It's so much better |
| 14:24.36 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: still want to host Harmattan source DVDs? :) |
| 14:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: I think fmg is freemangordon |
| 14:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omp |
| 14:25.12 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, knew that, just testing :) |
| 14:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo omp is Open Media Player |
| 14:25.15 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 14:25.16 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: i think it's online already |
| 14:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omp |
| 14:25.29 | infobot | methinks omp is Open Media Player |
| 14:25.34 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: you need to set chan, otherwise it's global |
| 14:25.36 | ZogG_laptop | ? |
| 14:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:25.51 | ZogG_laptop | didn't know that |
| 14:25.54 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: where? |
| 14:26.00 | Hurrian | Wizzup_, it's a lot smoother, and disabling FMTX-UI checks is nice |
| 14:26.25 | Wizzup_ | fmtx-ui checks? |
| 14:26.31 | Wizzup_ | (I know what fmtx is) |
| 14:26.40 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: lemme rememebr who told he would upload it like a week ago |
| 14:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: sure thing |
| 14:27.11 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: probably it was me, took a whopping 48h to upload =) |
| 14:27.42 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: nope, it was someone who promised me to upload, but can't recall who was that |
| 14:27.42 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: right here: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/ |
| 14:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 14:27.59 | merlin1991 | javispedro: I'm going to rape your host too :D |
| 14:28.37 | merlin1991 | javispedro: are those the pr1.3 sources? |
| 14:28.46 | javispedro | the kernel ones match at least. |
| 14:28.52 | javispedro | so, I guess yes :) |
| 14:29.32 | merlin1991 | it's a shame that there is no libcontentmanager-dev inside the 1.2 sources |
| 14:29.47 | merlin1991 | libcontentmanager is closed but necessary to build the contorl panel applets |
| 14:30.00 | javispedro | it won't appear in the sources if it's closed |
| 14:30.03 | javispedro | your best bet is sdk repos |
| 14:30.19 | javispedro | oh |
| 14:30.21 | merlin1991 | well the one in the sdk repos is missing a header file :/ |
| 14:30.27 | javispedro | libcontentmanager is necessary to build control panel applets? |
| 14:30.32 | merlin1991 | or rather not missing because it's 1.1 |
| 14:30.55 | javispedro | either way, wrong channel =) |
| 14:30.59 | javispedro | (my fault) |
| 14:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: what's dists and pool? |
| 14:33.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: source packages organized as debian src repo |
| 14:33.45 | javispedro | ready to use via apt-get source |
| 14:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | would I want to mirror them? |
| 14:33.48 | javispedro | MohammadAG's idea |
| 14:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 14:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that's just another 8765GB |
| 14:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I *could* save when loopmounting the iso |
| 14:34.44 | javispedro | yeah |
| 14:35.02 | javispedro | the .iso is a pain to host |
| 14:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for me |
| 14:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :;-) |
| 14:35.14 | javispedro | I could keep hosting the repo though |
| 14:35.15 | ZogG_laptop | why is it? |
| 14:35.31 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: if there are 50 downloads it's already 150GiB ;P |
| 14:35.50 | javispedro | while 50 downloads of a single package from the repo is ~1GiB ;P |
| 14:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: you host repo, I host .iso. Deal? |
| 14:35.53 | javispedro | (at most) |
| 14:35.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: ok |
| 14:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | for me storage is the concern |
| 14:36.11 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: oh, that |
| 14:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | while traffic is for free afaik |
| 14:36.41 | ZogG_laptop | i don't have storage or traffic problem, as i have no host. no host - no problem |
| 14:36.46 | javispedro | :) |
| 14:36.52 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: danke schön! |
| 14:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | bitte sehr :-) |
| 14:37.10 | ZogG_laptop | ya ya :) |
| 14:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | 42% |
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| 14:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | 50 |
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| 14:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing to replace a proper backbone |
| 14:38.57 | javispedro | he |
| 14:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4.5M/s |
| 14:39.27 | javispedro | I had to upload at ~20K/s :P |
| 14:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | OUCH |
| 14:39.49 | javispedro | I used a 24h/on raspberry pi :) |
| 14:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | 63 |
| 14:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | this lil vserver is awesome |
| 14:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/ |
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| 14:49.41 | Wizzup_ | merlin1991: did you compile the fennec-17 package for thumb? I'm interested in the latest fennec but I don't have thumb2 yet |
| 14:49.45 | Wizzup_ | Or do you just host the packages |
| 14:49.56 | merlin1991 | I just host, freemangordon is the thumb man |
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| 14:50.13 | Wizzup_ | Well, I'm looking for fennec w/o thumb2 |
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| 14:51.03 | merlin1991 | freemangordon and someone else are working on that, dunno how far they are |
| 14:51.14 | Wizzup_ | alright, thanks |
| 14:51.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq |
| 14:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | whom we even got a N900 to continue the awesome work |
| 14:52.16 | zsolt_hun | hi there.could somebody tell me how to boot from sdcard with bootmenu n900?i set everything as it was explained,but when i try to boot,nothing happens |
| 14:52.34 | zsolt_hun | thank you |
| 14:52.46 | zsolt_hun | it is a debian system |
| 14:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | bootmenu? |
| 14:53.21 | zsolt_hun | yes.from the extras repo |
| 14:54.00 | zsolt_hun | you know,when the keyboard is detached on n900 and the bootmenu shows up |
| 14:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's multiboot (deprecated) and uBoot, and yes there's bootmenu but I never heard it got used for booting a different kernel&rootfs. Maybe there's some new stuff though I didn't hear about yet |
| 14:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway aiui bootmenu would either need kexec, or do what multiboot does, which sounds weird to re-implement again |
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| 14:55.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 14:55.59 | infobot | i guess maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 14:57.10 | zsolt_hun | http://elektranox.org/n900/installation/index.html here is the instruction,i did it as it described,nothing happens |
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| 14:59.12 | zsolt_hun | patitioned an ext3 fs to my ext sd card,tar-ed the debian distro,but nothing happens |
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| 15:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah my fav site elektranox which attributes my charging script to somebody who actually was able to change 0x10 to 0x80, as I orginially already suggested implicitly. Sorry nfc if this site is up to date in any way |
| 15:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know what this guy suggests to use as bootselector |
| 15:02.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka bootloader-menu |
| 15:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | zsolt_hun: check tmo for uBoot |
| 15:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think you find more up-to-date instructions there |
| 15:02.59 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, electranox uses Bootmenu to choose post-preinit boot |
| 15:03.11 | Hurrian | that's some pretty damn old stuff |
| 15:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, gathered as much |
| 15:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | completely obsolete |
| 15:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | must be like... 2 years old |
| 15:04.22 | zsolt_hun | but anyway this boot menu inside the extras repo |
| 15:04.38 | zsolt_hun | still there |
| 15:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 15:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you won't find support or current binaries for that method anymore |
| 15:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | while uBoot support and binaries are pretty much up-to-date |
| 15:06.18 | Hurrian | meh, use a armel-compiled 2.6.37-nemo kernel. setting up an obsolete toolchain to properly build 2.6.28 is a pain. |
| 15:06.21 | zsolt_hun | what a pity:( i think it was the most elegant solution to boot other os,but that's my opinion |
| 15:06.42 | Hurrian | zsolt_hun, most elegant solution to multiboot is via u-boot |
| 15:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why that other method bitrot |
| 15:07.18 | zsolt_hun | i tryed u-boot to,but it cant find my sd card |
| 15:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then you're as good as you're now, with that bootmenu method, no? |
| 15:08.04 | zsolt_hun | ok |
| 15:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | only that for uBoot you actually might find support |
| 15:08.17 | zsolt_hun | thank you |
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| 16:04.35 | slonopotamus | is there any way to disable insane fremantle Calendar io activity when connecting to Skype? |
| 16:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | slonopotamus: hm? |
| 16:05.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | slonopotamus: please elaborate |
| 16:07.43 | slonopotamus | 1. create skype account 2. add ~200 contacts 3. connect to it from n900 4. observe unusability of device for a couple of minutes due to massive I/O by /usr/bin/Calendar |
| 16:07.45 | slonopotamus | i guest that is related |
| 16:07.46 | slonopotamus | woops |
| 16:08.58 | slonopotamus | i guest that is related to the fact that when skype account is *off* then all birthday notifiers of skype contacts appear in calendar *twice*. and when skype account is connected, they merge back into single entries |
| 16:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, sounds like Skype WONTFIX |
| 16:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should've reported that bug 20 months ago, err 30? |
| 16:17.37 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/20 Mousepointer visible |
| 16:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | pets povbot |
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| 16:19.02 | slonopotamus | i haven't used skype on n900 30 months ago? |
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| 16:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but Nokia might have considered fixing that bug back when. Now I don't see any fixes for skype coming |
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| 16:34.06 | Vibe | hi |
| 16:34.18 | Vibe | you got soundcloud working on n900? |
| 16:34.29 | Vibe | play button does nothing.. |
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| 17:10.33 | Shapeshifter | Is it possible to snap pictures *including flash* on the CLI on the n900? I see gst-launch can be used to take pictures but this excludes the flash. |
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| 17:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, you might be able to dump the framebuffer |
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| 18:10.31 | infobot | sd69 <ae64f0d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.100.240.216> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 110d 3h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'any thoughts on cOBS from cssu pov?'. |
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| 18:45.52 | newbie|2 | hi there. Is there a way to install maemo on an old machine such as xperia x2 ? |
| 18:47.31 | petteri | no |
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| 20:46.09 | bennypr0fane | hello, would anyone happen to know if I need to be root to edit transitions.ini in fremantle? |
| 20:48.24 | bennypr0fane | and if so, how is the command for it in xterm? |
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| 20:48.46 | Vibe | does anyone got soundcloud working on n900? |
| 20:49.38 | joga | bennypr0fane: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Transitions |
| 20:49.44 | joga | (so yes) |
| 20:50.00 | bennypr0fane | joga thanks |
| 20:50.39 | joga | for the command you should first become root and then do something like vim /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini |
| 20:50.56 | joga | (assuming you have vim, I do) |
| 20:52.06 | bennypr0fane | don't think so, what is vim? will leafpad do? |
| 20:53.11 | bennypr0fane | so form the wiki it seems the autorotate blacklist should work for desktop widgets too, not just regular apps... |
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| 20:53.45 | bennypr0fane | I want to keep the K9Call desktop dialler widget from rotating |
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| 20:54.14 | bennypr0fane | but it seems people have been unsuccessful adding it to the blacklist |
| 20:57.34 | joga | can you use transition control to tweak that? |
| 20:59.44 | bennypr0fane | the blacklist? |
| 20:59.57 | bennypr0fane | what's transitions control? |
| 21:01.08 | joga | it's the program that would save you the bother of manually editing transitions.ini |
| 21:01.38 | joga | iirc the package name is transitioncontrol |
| 21:01.59 | joga | can't remember which repo it's in though |
| 21:02.36 | bennypr0fane | hmmm. let's see. it looks like |
| 21:02.48 | bennypr0fane | it only changes overall settings |
| 21:03.01 | bennypr0fane | installing it anyway |
| 21:03.06 | joga | I've used it to disable all unnecessary animations I don't want like the zooming, snappier that way |
| 21:03.38 | bennypr0fane | i've looked through a dozen threads about tweaking transitions, and nobody ever mentioned this though |
| 21:03.46 | joga | oh, that's odd |
| 21:03.48 | joga | :) |
| 21:04.36 | bennypr0fane | wow, what about cssu transitions tuner? |
| 21:05.17 | bennypr0fane | looking into both now |
| 21:05.33 | bennypr0fane | you heard about the latter? |
| 21:05.51 | bennypr0fane | transitions without the zooming are faster? |
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| 21:09.47 | joga | haven't heard about that, I haven't touched them since I found something I like |
| 21:10.30 | joga | but yeah I think it makes a very significant difference when using the device |
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| 21:11.46 | joga | I haven't disabled 100% of them but most I've either disabled or made very fast so there's maybe just 1 frame in between or something |
| 21:12.20 | joga | there was just something I remember leaving alone because it was a bit confusing if it was very fast |
| 21:13.00 | bennypr0fane | transition control doesn't let me edit the blacklist... |
| 21:13.53 | bennypr0fane | really I often wonder, why they didn't make them faster in the first place |
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| 21:14.28 | bennypr0fane | I get the impression most people were bothered with how slow transitions are at default settings |
| 21:17.37 | joga | yeah, dunno. if I turn all the bling back on or see them in another n900 it looks sort of neat for a few seconds but then it starts bugging me again |
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| 21:18.13 | joga | maybe jolla has time for cosmetics too? ;) heh we'll see |
| 21:19.58 | bennypr0fane | Well seems to me that you don't need to do away with the bling completely if it can be made faster to a decent degree |
| 21:20.48 | bennypr0fane | I just hope Jolla are going to make sonething with a QWertz keyboard |
| 21:22.45 | bennypr0fane | If they only go make just another giant slab of screen with no buttons, it'll have been in vain |
| 21:28.21 | joga | to me it sounded like they would realize there's need for such phones, we'll see eventually |
| 21:32.18 | bennypr0fane | yes, the latest interview was funny: "If you look at what's available at the market today, it's not hard to stand out in terms of hardware design" |
| 21:33.29 | bennypr0fane | how can I tell which transitions file is currently in use, the one in hildon-desktop or the one from the theme |
| 21:34.47 | merlin1991 | bennypr0fane: theme overrides the one in hildon-desktop if you have an active theme |
| 21:35.15 | bennypr0fane | is it possible to not have an active theme? |
| 21:35.41 | bennypr0fane | where would the theme-specific transitions file be located? |
| 21:39.14 | merlin1991 | bennypr0fane: /opt/usr/share/themes/[name of the theme you're using]/transitions.ini |
| 21:40.06 | bennypr0fane | thanks! |
| 21:40.54 | bennypr0fane | generally, knowing the name of the file, it should be easy to find even if I don't know its location, right? |
| 21:41.24 | bennypr0fane | I tried the file search, but it doesn't show the location of search results |
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| 21:43.56 | bennypr0fane | if I uninstalled the theme I was previously using, does that mean that now I'm not using any theme? and the transitions file in hildon-desktop is in use? |
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| 21:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<joga> yeah, dunno. if I turn all the bling back on or see them in another n900 it looks sort of neat for a few seconds but then it starts bugging me again)) yeah. The HARM effect. It's all about blinding effects and chrome, and after a few days the latest ist just friggin annoying |
| 21:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ merlin1991 |
| 21:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: you know how KDE stores their app settings? In the end you don't have a bloody idea which setting from which branch is in effect for a particular property. And when something breaks you better reset ALL that shite and start from scratch. \o/ |
| 21:52.24 | joga | heh reminded me of quakeworld or similar online shooters, when you want even tiny fps gains and all the textures are just distracting and useless, and you end up using flat shading with minimum effects and clutter on a high-end pc, heh |
| 21:52.52 | bennypr0fane | anybody know about my previous question? I'm not sure which transitions file I have in use right now. |
| 21:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | bennypr0fane: merlin1991 answered that |
| 21:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or use lsof ;-P |
| 21:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or strace |
| 21:53.44 | bennypr0fane | then what's happening on my device kinda doesn't make sense |
| 21:56.29 | bennypr0fane | i.e., no, I haven't seen an answer. the question was, I just uninstalled the theme I was using, the files are still there though, including the transitions.ini I made changes to it and I can see them, but it doesn't have the CSSU section with the blacklist. the blacklist seems to be operating though |
| 21:57.19 | vi__ | bennypr0fane: in the themes directory there is a bunch of themes AND a dir called default. |
| 21:57.42 | vi__ | when you choose a new theme, it gets copied to default. |
| 21:58.03 | vi__ | therefore, what is in dir default is the current theme. |
| 21:58.19 | vi__ | also, harmattan can suck my nuts. |
| 21:58.50 | vi__ | swipe is fucking gay and pointless. |
| 21:59.15 | vi__ | shortcutd>swipe. |
| 21:59.53 | joga | ah, the glory of shortcutd |
| 22:00.12 | vi__ | HAIL. |
| 22:00.12 | joga | my cam key marking is probably very worn out |
| 22:00.44 | vi__ | if only it did not start proximityd by default. |
| 22:00.59 | vi__ | or even offered 2 'shell commands' |
| 22:06.36 | bennypr0fane | how do I make sure the default transitions.ini is used? |
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| 22:14.00 | RST38h | Ahhahaha: http://gizmodo.com/5933717/google-lays-the-smack-down-on-torrent-sites-in-search-results |
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| 22:31.34 | ikarus | silly quick question is there a lib for Qt or Gtk on Maemo with a scrollable, overlayable map widget (possibly more features, but this would save a lot of time developing) |
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| 22:52.35 | merlin1991 | i think there is a hildon gtk thingy |
| 22:52.39 | merlin1991 | not entirely sure though |
| 22:58.00 | ikarus | any hints of where ? |
| 23:09.18 | Kilroo | How the iPhone did I miss that before? I was looking yesterday for the instructions to build and flash a combined u-Boot image, since with the thumb repo enabled I can't boot from the default attached kernel anymore. The instructions are on the first page of the thread, in post 6. I spent 20 minutes looking before I decided to put it off for a while. I must be blind. |
| 23:20.52 | Hurrian | Kilroo, since u-boot always loads the bootmenu.scr file, I think you can try editing the script so that the attachboot entry comes last. |
| 23:21.08 | Hurrian | There, no more need to manually combine and flash kernels. |
| 23:23.36 | Kilroo | Hurrian: I already made the symlink so that it boots kp51 by default, as described in the first post of the u-boot thread. I'm just considering making a combined image from it because as it stands, the attachboot doesn't work. It just provides me with a convenient means of failing to boot the phone. |
| 23:24.29 | Hurrian | Kilroo, just in case mmcblk0p1 bombs? |
| 23:25.23 | Kilroo | ...I wouldn't be able to boot an attached kernel either in that case, would I? |
| 23:25.35 | Hurrian | meh, the whole purpose of u-boot was so that you'd never flash another kernel ever again. until recently, u-boot kept running attachboot and that's why I had to combine it with KP because my /home is EXT4. |
| 23:26.17 | Hurrian | (and because I can't be arsed to open my keyboard every boot) |
| 23:28.22 | Kilroo | I think the only advantages of doing what I'm considering would be: (aesthetic) it appeals to my sense of cleanliness; (practical) it would allow me to save a miniscule amount of file space; (practical) it would prevent the admittedly unlikely possibility of rendering the phone unbootable by fouling up the kp51 files without screwing up anything else significant. |
| 23:28.37 | Kilroo | So I may just not bother. |
| 23:29.04 | Kilroo | I was having a chuckle earlier today at my belt-worn gear. |
| 23:29.10 | Hurrian | Kilroo, heh, I treat KP as my main kernel. I've actually uninstalled kernel and kernel-modules. |
| 23:30.21 | merlin1991 | well it's straight forward, get uimage, combine it using the pyhton script, flash it :D |
| 23:31.00 | Kilroo | I carry the n900 (with one of those somewhat floppy silicone slide-on protectors on it) in a belt case that came with a 110-film camera. I carry my Internet-To-Go hotspot crammed in a belt holster that I bought for my old n82. It all looks so amusingly ghetto and yet works so well. |
| 23:31.51 | Kilroo | Merlin: Yes, I just discovered how easy it is a little while ago; I was just marveling at how I managed to spend 20-30 minutes NOT finding that the other night, and then found it in less than two minutes today. |
| 23:32.07 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 23:34.15 | Hurrian | once I build a big battery pack, I'll probably use my N900 as a mobile hotspot of sorts. |
| 23:34.56 | Kilroo | I've been trying to squeeze by paying as little as possible for service since...well, actually since I was using the n82. |
| 23:35.46 | Kilroo | The "golden age" of that would have to be while t-mobile's IPv6 service was still in beta. As far as I could tell, someone forgot to code for an edge case. |
| 23:36.46 | Kilroo | You had to have access to use data normally in order to be in the beta. But if you were using prepaid minutes, they didn't bother to make it necessary to buy the $1.49 data day pass to access ipv6. |
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| 23:41.06 | Kilroo | Interesting side note: This Opera plugin that lets me ctrl-mouseover a link to display it as a qr-code, combined with mbarcode, makes it very easy to download things to the n900 that I found while browsing on my desktop. |
| 23:52.48 | Hurrian | Kilroo, holy crap, Opera has a plugin for that? |
| 23:53.09 | Hurrian | That would've saved me hours typing URLs for wget. |
| 23:53.30 | Kilroo | Hurrian: https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/url-2-qr/ |
| 23:53.53 | Hurrian | If I don't find a Firefox extension for it, I'm switching to Opera. |
| 23:55.17 | Kilroo | I switched over a while back for reasons I no longer remember. There is much about Opera that I like. There are some things I don't. Such is life. |
| 23:55.52 | Kilroo | It was partly out of frustration with the fact that I couldn't find a Webkit-based browser with a combination of UI + extensibility that I found acceptable. |