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| 00:30.37 | Kilroo | Is this an accurate statement? If using the thumb repository and u-boot on my n900, I might as well make a thumb-capable combined image, because I can no longer use the attachboot that comes with it. |
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| 00:49.44 | Kilroo | This channel was a lot livelier the last time I attempted to make use of it. |
| 00:50.17 | nox- | its 2am in europe... |
| 00:50.17 | entitled | mmm |
| 00:50.31 | entitled | 4am at Finland |
| 00:50.50 | Kilroo | I was about to say, Europe is more than one timezone. |
| 00:50.59 | nox- | true :) |
| 00:52.35 | Kilroo | I did not, however, realize that you could go west from Finland far enough to change two hours and still be in Europe rather than out in the Atlantic. |
| 00:53.08 | nox- | well its almost 3am here, almost 2am in uk, almost 4am in .fi |
| 00:53.10 | nox- | right? |
| 00:53.33 | nox- | and later further east |
| 00:53.51 | Kilroo | That's generally how it works |
| 00:53.55 | entitled | No doubt. |
| 00:54.02 | Kilroo | I just didn't know Finland was in that time zone. |
| 00:54.15 | Kilroo | The only place I've had occasion to know was in GMT+2 before was Syria. |
| 00:54.20 | LaoLang_cool | happy maemoing! |
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| 01:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | make use of a channel? weird wording |
| 01:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels used |
| 01:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, burgerking time |
| 01:22.54 | entitled | aeio |
| 01:30.30 | beford | u |
| 01:36.55 | Kilroo | Why? |
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| 02:10.14 | entitled | why not? |
| 02:10.21 | Kilroo | Good question. |
| 02:10.52 | Kilroo | ...Once I install thumb packages, I can't use a non-thumb-enabled kernel with them. Right? |
| 02:11.04 | robbiethe1st | No |
| 02:11.16 | robbiethe1st | You can't. |
| 02:12.33 | Kilroo | So it would make sense to track down the steps for making combined images for u-boot, and make an attachboot that I'd actually be able to use. |
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| 02:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you lost me on that |
| 02:37.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | combined image for uboot? |
| 02:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | attachboot?? |
| 02:44.32 | Kilroo | The artist formerly known as noloboot, I think. |
| 02:47.20 | Kilroo | If I understand correctly, once I install thumb-compiled packages, the attached kernel that u-boot-flasher normally provides is essentially useless to me; I can only use thumb-enabled kernels. It seems like a logical step from there would be to create a combined image with a thumb-enabled kernel, and flash that instead. |
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| 02:49.03 | Kilroo | It is entirely possible that there is some aspect of this that I have not grasped correctly. |
| 02:51.20 | Kilroo | I'm just in a good mood because I finally found the posts that led me to realize the reason my attempts to switch to u-boot were failing was that I needed to reformay MyDocs... |
| 02:51.30 | Kilroo | -y+t |
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| 06:52.34 | kerio | Kilroo: why do you need uboot, btw? |
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| 08:00.56 | vi_ | Did you see the German discuss gold medal winner? |
| 08:01.32 | vi_ | All ripping his shirt offf like the hulk then partying so hard he lost his ID and had to sleep on the ground outside the olympic accomodation. |
| 08:01.35 | vi_ | YEAH |
| 08:01.40 | vi_ | germans know how to party! |
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| 08:36.57 | Shapeshifter | Hi. I just started using my spare N900 and I wanted to solder down the USB port more properly to prevent it from being ripped out. I had already done this to my first N900 and it worked very well. However, this time I did a very poor job (using a different solder and soldering iron) and the solder just wouldn't stick. In turn, the sides of the port is now covered in flux and it's even harder to make this work. I got frustrated, gave ... |
| 08:37.03 | Shapeshifter | ... up, and reassembled it but I would definitely like to try again. But first, I need to clean out all that flux from around and within the port. Any ideas how to do that? |
| 08:37.06 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: you might have an idea, I'm sure ^ |
| 08:38.55 | Shapeshifter | i.e. is it okay to dip the usb end into alcohol or should I only be using a brush dipped in alcohol or some other fluid? |
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| 09:01.44 | vi_ | Shapeshifter: flux will not do anything any harm. |
| 09:02.03 | vi_ | Also, if it is covered in flux, how the F did it not 'stick'? |
| 09:03.11 | Shapeshifter | vi_: I don't know :( Maybe the iron is too cold or something, it's a cheap shit piece. |
| 09:03.41 | Shapeshifter | I should get a chisel type head instead of the pointed one. |
| 09:04.21 | Shapeshifter | vi_: I should say that I didn't use any extra flux, just the one contained in the solder |
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| 09:37.02 | theheadofabroom | Shapeshifter: did you heat the solder or the pin? |
| 09:37.37 | Shapeshifter | theheadofabroom: I tried heating the USB connector and the PCB (I had scraped off some of the gree coating to reveal the copper base) |
| 09:37.41 | theheadofabroom | if you try to stick solder to a cold pin it won't work - you probably already knew that seeing as it's soldering 101 |
| 09:37.52 | theheadofabroom | ok |
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| 09:41.00 | theheadofabroom | odd then - could be either you didn't heat it enough, or your solder might be shitty - I've had pretty bad luck with lead-free solder compounds |
| 09:41.15 | Shapeshifter | I think I need a chisel shaped tip, else I can't heat the parts properly. |
| 09:41.40 | Shapeshifter | Any the iron is probably shit. I think it's 15W or something like that. |
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| 09:42.19 | theheadofabroom | surely that should just mean it's slower, rather than doesn't get as hot? |
| 09:42.31 | theheadofabroom | not sure - not used anything under 20W |
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| 09:49.46 | Shapeshifter | But how do I remove the old flux? I think I can't apply new solder with that much flux being present. Some of it kinda seeped into the connector and now the usb plug is even harder to remove. I'd like to remove all the residue before and after I try again... |
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| 10:12.58 | Hurrian | Shapeshifter, you've got yourself into quite the situation |
| 10:13.19 | Hurrian | the part's available online though, if you want to try with a different connector |
| 10:13.38 | Shapeshifter | Hurrian: the USB connector is completely fine, I'm just doing this to prevent future damage. |
| 10:13.56 | Shapeshifter | Hurrian: I just need to get rid of the excess flux and try again with a chisel tip. |
| 10:14.10 | Hurrian | use a sucker after heating it up? |
| 10:15.09 | Shapeshifter | Hurrian: my question is, what kind of cleaning fluid I can use without damaging the board etc. and if I can just dip the usb connector into alcohol or whatever. Mhh, I don't really have a sucker. |
| 10:15.43 | Hurrian | Acetone, not alcohol |
| 10:16.03 | Hurrian | off the shelf alcohol probably contains water |
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| 10:19.21 | Shapeshifter | allright |
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| 10:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: use Kontact-Chemie Platinenreiniger or some similar spraycan with flux cleanser |
| 10:29.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | also NEVER USe ACETONE |
| 10:29.48 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: okay thanks, I'll visit a shop that sells proper Platinenreiniger. |
| 10:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | acetone will definitely ruin stuff |
| 10:31.44 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: what kind of tip and solder would you recommend for this job? |
| 10:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless softened by other components in the fluid |
| 10:32.22 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: I mean soldering down the (intact) USB connector to make it more robust |
| 10:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | normal pb-sn solder, (eg, stannol) 40W solder iron, chisel tip |
| 10:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | first coat the USB with solder, then the pcb. Then connect both by heating up both and adding solder |
| 10:33.55 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: would a 15W iron work? ^^ |
| 10:34.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 10:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | your results are typical for 15W |
| 10:35.37 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: Mh. Something like this is obviously cheap, but it's supposed to have 60W. Would you recommend against such a cheap product or doesn't it make a difference? http://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/handwerk-und-garten/elektrowerkzeuge/loeten-und-schweissen/loetkolben-set-60w-60watt-mit-zugentlastung-loetzinn-loetpaste/v/an684473694/ |
| 10:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | not hot enough |
| 10:36.00 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: After all, it's just a piece of metal that's supposed to get hot. Not sure what could go wrong with a cheap product (other than it failing sooner) |
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| 10:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | in this particular case it doesn't make much of a difference |
| 10:36.52 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: mh, wait a minute. I just found the actual iron I've been using yesterday: http://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/handwerk-und-garten/elektrowerkzeuge/loeten-und-schweissen/loetkolben-50w-einstellbar-von-200-450-c/v/an683073202/ It's actually 50W... |
| 10:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | however make damn sure you connect the solder iron metal case to one of the N900 GND with a lab-wire |
| 10:37.44 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean by that? |
| 10:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ground your N900 |
| 10:38.09 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: while doing the soldering? |
| 10:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ground your iron |
| 10:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 10:39.04 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: why? If I ground the N900, that encourages electron flow, doesn't it? Isn't it better to not have a circuit between iron and ground? |
| 10:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp cheap irons will be prone to have capacitive sneaking current to the solder tip |
| 10:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I said "connect to solder iron" |
| 10:40.14 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: so I need to have a cable running from the n900 (where?) to the iron? |
| 10:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere on N900 where you have definitive good ground. I'd suggest USB connector if it wasn't for... you know |
| 10:42.18 | SpeedEvil | battery minus |
| 10:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's NOT GND! |
| 10:42.34 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 10:43.29 | SpeedEvil | I thought the context was grounding while soldering |
| 10:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a 0.0x R shunt in between for bq27200 ;-) |
| 10:43.51 | SpeedEvil | so the sense is quite irrelevant |
| 10:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prefer any of the obvious large gnd-planes |
| 10:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it's actually no bad idea to plug an USBplug into the receptacle, and use that for GND |
| 10:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | has other benefits as well, but also downsides |
| 10:47.08 | SpeedEvil | never stress something when bouldering it. And plugging in a connector often stress is he can I lick your body quite a lot |
| 10:47.11 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 10:47.31 | SpeedEvil | never stress a connector while soldering. |
| 10:48.00 | SpeedEvil | and plugging in a connector can stress the body quite a lot. |
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| 10:48.30 | SpeedEvil | is playing with speech recognition. |
| 10:49.00 | Shapeshifter | ha |
| 10:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | your speech recog is perverted it seems |
| 10:49.31 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:49.33 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: how hot should the iron ideally be? |
| 10:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather hot |
| 10:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd rather go for the ~400 |
| 10:50.05 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: maximum power (they claim the iron goes to 450 C although I doubt it) |
| 10:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | C |
| 10:50.08 | Shapeshifter | okay |
| 10:50.39 | SpeedEvil | I am depressed that the state of speech recognition is worse now than in 1995. |
| 10:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you're mumbling more |
| 10:51.15 | SpeedEvil | And then I was using a 300 megahertz processor |
| 10:51.48 | SpeedEvil | I want dragon dictate n my phone. |
| 10:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 10:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | curses the fact he's short on milk for a proper coffee |
| 10:54.09 | SpeedEvil | I keep 20l or so of high temp processed milk. works well. |
| 10:59.18 | kerio | >proper coffee |
| 10:59.20 | kerio | >milk |
| 10:59.25 | kerio | wtfamireading.jpg |
| 11:01.53 | SpeedEvil | my morning coffee. one cup of heat treated skimmed milk, coffee powder, microwave 90s |
| 11:02.16 | kerio | >instant coffee |
| 11:02.29 | kerio | you are making me cry ;_; |
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| 11:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: hehe, exactly same here, just I prefer proper fresh milk. the diff in taste is massive |
| 11:07.46 | SpeedEvil | it's lots better than it was. |
| 11:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, one diff: my microwave needs 180s for the ammount of milk I use |
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| 11:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, another diff: "skimmed" I rather try to avoid, since I'm counting my calories (and welcome each single one) |
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| 11:14.01 | SpeedEvil | opposite here. :-) |
| 11:14.02 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: microwaved milk?? |
| 11:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: (solder) I seem to recall I had really good experience with the Sn60Pb39Ag1 type, though it's quite expensive |
| 11:16.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: anyway get really high qualtiy multicore flux electronic solder |
| 11:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even getting additional *electronic* flux might be a good idea |
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| 11:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | finally takes a second approach to get another 2 bare PCB, to eventually do destructive investigation on where to drill holes next to USB to get this thing fixed the nuke safe way |
| 11:24.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, on a second thought, this won't pan out |
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| 11:42.12 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: I think soldering it down works well enough. At least it did when I did it on my first N900 |
| 11:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 12:26.46 | Shapeshifter | I also broke one of the two plastic threads where the small torx screws go into -.- |
| 12:27.13 | Shapeshifter | the screw turns over. I might try this method if I'm feeling brave: http://www.ultimateamiga.co.uk/index.php?topic=4351.0 |
| 12:32.40 | kerio | :c |
| 12:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: well, this method might work, but is kinda overkill. I'd rather use hotglue which is elastic enough to allow removing excess stuff and drive thread into it. Use simple grease on screw for separator. Or even simpler: place part of a wooden match or toothpick into the hole of the platic thread |
| 12:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually though you use a srew with 20% larger diameter |
| 12:43.21 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: I might try hot glue. I wouldn't want to stick anything solid into the hole because I'd be afraid of cracking the plastic. |
| 12:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: try find a straw or wire isolation "tube" or similar, that fits into the hole nicely |
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| 12:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or really just a small slice of a match that fills in the missing plasic on one side. the screw will pish against it and cut new thread on other side of plastic |
| 12:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/pish/push/ |
| 12:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just works, you mustn't use too much or too little material though, just right amount so screw goes in nicely with a tiny bit of force |
| 12:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, a spider yoyo coming down the ceiling right between my face and LCD screen of the laptop |
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| 12:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | byebye lil spider |
| 12:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | though they eat mosquitos, I don't love spiders so much to allow them go between me and my PC ;-P Gave it a free flight right to the garden |
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| 12:54.58 | Shapeshifter | spiders are awesome little ninjas |
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| 13:03.46 | SpeedEvil | especially if they die in there. |
| 13:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | in German they are called "Gewittertierchen" nfc why. And it's a well known rather common problem it seems |
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| 13:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://forum.chip.de/grafikkarten/gewittertiere-tft-555356.html |
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| 13:20.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://forum.chip.de/grafikkarten/tft-fliege-tft-bildschirm-554665-page3.html#post3483825 |
| 13:22.51 | jaska | heh, ive had a spider come hack my monitor more than once, just move them away from dangerous areas :) |
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| 15:27.07 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: what was the name of that flux remover? |
| 15:27.28 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: and what's the name for flux and flucremover in german? |
| 15:28.12 | Gh0sty | flux remover? |
| 15:28.30 | Gh0sty | there is a flux capacitor in the n900 allowing timetravel? :o |
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| 15:28.56 | Shapeshifter | nvm platinenreiniger |
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| 15:34.02 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: yay, found the exact kontaktchemie platinenreiniger you mentioned at my shop |
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| 17:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: Kontakt WL, or rather Kontakt PCC |
| 17:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/828718/Edsyn-No-clean-Flussmittelstift-FL-88-Flussmittel-Typ-F-SW-34-Inhalt-10-ml/SHOP_AREA_17588&promotionareaSearchDetail=005 |
| 17:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/812870/Stannol-Elektronik-Loetdraht-Wickel-Gewicht-6-g-Durchmesser-10-mm-Legierung-Sn60Pb39Cu1/SHOP_AREA_17587&promotionareaSearchDetail=005 |
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| 17:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, Kontakt PCC http://www.crcind.com/csp/web/ProdDisp.csp?lng=4&idx=2093272&country=GE&product=KONTAKT%20PCC&brand=KOC&CSPCHD=0000000100003rdfkOqi000000Kz9DDbbRYURePBEwBViyqQ-- not available? Use Kontakt LR then |
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| 18:29.19 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: I have Kontakt LR |
| 18:29.26 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: and I just applied it. Works very well |
| 18:29.42 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: I actually went ahead and bought a more proper iron as well. |
| 18:30.13 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: It's probably no rolls royce but certainly better than the old one. It's a 48W fixpoint, german thingy. |
| 18:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine. Just use a really good electronics Sn60Pb39Cu1 multicore flux solderwire |
| 18:32.50 | Shapeshifter | I have Vielstedter SN60PbCu2 |
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| 18:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's proper multicore high quality flux, it's ok as well - don't use solderwire that "bleeds" out the flux, makes bubbles and stuff |
| 18:37.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | 48W seems just OK for this job, I'd guess |
| 18:37.39 | Shapeshifter | wow this was easy |
| 18:37.52 | Shapeshifter | I figure the other iron was simply way too cold |
| 18:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the copper croundplane can consume quite a lot of heat until it reaches correct soldering temperature |
| 18:38.06 | Shapeshifter | one side done |
| 18:41.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the knowledge of professionals is mostly a knowledge about the right tools to use for the job ;-) |
| 18:43.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | a hobbyist with professional tools might come up with better results than a professional with hobbyist tools |
| 18:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (depends on job) |
| 18:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even I could solder this USB with a 15W soldering iron (unless I use all my tricks at once ;-P and a lot of swearing) |
| 18:45.19 | Shapeshifter | other side done. There's very little space on the other side. I should also get one of those solder suction things to remove wrongly placed solder |
| 18:46.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | indispensable tool, yes |
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| 18:46.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the cheaper ones are like <10EUR |
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| 18:49.12 | Shapeshifter | I even went by the book and tinned the iron before putting it away ;) |
| 18:54.22 | freemangordon | ~seen zeq |
| 18:54.32 | infobot | zeq <~s_j_newbu@178.110.126.62> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 2h 20m 56s ago, saying: 'kerio: probably "kernel-feature-sigmask-syscalls" would be more accurate, but I'm open to suggestions.'. |
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| 18:54.46 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 18:55.22 | Shapeshifter | By the way, is there anything new in maemoland? I haven't been following things since the N9 was released |
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| 18:59.18 | lartza_ | Shapeshifter: finnish startup called Jolla has recruited a lot of the nokia staff and announced a new meego phone will be out very soon |
| 19:00.29 | Shapeshifter | mhh, yeah I heard about that. |
| 19:00.47 | Shapeshifter | so I guess there still is hope |
| 19:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: over at #maemo-ssu freemangordon and others do some awesome job to bring all new power to maemo, with enabling thumb, getting new better compilers and whatnot else |
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| 19:01.40 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: so thumb2 really is something worth noting, unlike most of the other 'tuning' stuff? |
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| 19:02.19 | Shapeshifter | i.e. it's not just voodoo? I read the forum post, but there was no mention of benchmarks |
| 19:02.26 | lartza_ | also the "new" camera app of maemo-ssu can record smooth 720p video |
| 19:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like. I haven't tested it yet, but all reports say it's fast like hell, compared to stock stuff |
| 19:02.42 | Shapeshifter | ohh |
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| 19:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and specially for you: cssu fixed alarmd recently |
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| 19:03.50 | freemangordon | Shapeshifter: it is, most of the times my n900 is faster than my n950, not to mention how fast is thumb2 compiled microb-engine |
| 19:04.09 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: there was a bug? I should update my package sometime. I think I'll give it a go this weekend. |
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| 19:04.25 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: wow, sounds promising! |
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| 19:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I miss to recall the exact term, there was a identifier for transactions of alarmd, that was borked |
| 19:04.59 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: Have you been going by a different nick? I haven't seen you around when I still frequented the forums and irc. |
| 19:05.10 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: cookie :) |
| 19:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, thanks freemangordon |
| 19:06.40 | freemangordon | Shapeshifter: no, I use this nick since 2010, though I am active on IRC for an yeah and a half or something |
| 19:06.45 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: ah |
| 19:08.14 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: don't you have to return the N950 sometime soon? |
| 19:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: we even got a CSSU Stable release now :-D |
| 19:08.47 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I saw it :) I got it on my 'new' n900. |
| 19:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
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| 19:09.27 | kerio | ohai zeq |
| 19:09.35 | zeq | hi kerio |
| 19:09.37 | kerio | freemangordon was looking for you |
| 19:09.46 | zeq | freemangordon: pong? |
| 19:09.56 | freemangordon | zeq: hi |
| 19:10.01 | zeq | I was blocked by t-mobile |
| 19:10.14 | kerio | Shapeshifter: but if you install testing you can install thumb too! |
| 19:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 19:10.47 | Shapeshifter | kerio: I shall try it |
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| 19:10.53 | freemangordon | Shapeshifter: my n950 is a CA, and according to qgil I own it, it is not landed |
| 19:10.56 | zeq | still on holiday, but must be a new month on my contract :) |
| 19:11.04 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: neat |
| 19:11.08 | zeq | what have I missed? |
| 19:11.29 | freemangordon | kerio: no need to have CSSU-testing to install thumb, read the damn thread on TMO at once :) |
| 19:11.41 | freemangordon | zeq: NFC, I was away too :D |
| 19:13.41 | zeq | freemangordon: I don't know if you read before I left, but I built h-d with fast-math, after changing the isnanf(), that and the libc6 has been running stable all week so far. |
| 19:14.16 | Shapeshifter | forgot to refit the antenna again >.> |
| 19:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 19:14.49 | zeq | brb switching to wifi teather |
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| 19:15.36 | freemangordon | zeq: I missed that. But anyway, I am on holiday starting tomorrow, will be back in the middle of the next week |
| 19:17.24 | kerio | freemangordon: isn't thumb based on testing, at least? |
| 19:18.24 | Shapeshifter | isn't used to the stand actually sticking to the shell. been used to it dangling about. |
| 19:18.42 | Shapeshifter | and the slide mechanism is soo snappy ;) |
| 19:18.58 | freemangordon | kerio: it is, but that is a different from " you have to have -testing installed" |
| 19:19.13 | kerio | k |
| 19:19.13 | Shapeshifter | and the keyboard is a blueish white! the old one is actually yellow |
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| 19:19.27 | freemangordon | kerio: enabling -thimb repo enables -testing too |
| 19:19.28 | kerio | freemangordon: ...waaaait |
| 19:19.30 | kerio | yeah |
| 19:19.37 | kerio | i was going to say that :) |
| 19:19.39 | Shapeshifter | mhh... and the new one remembers the time even when removing the battery... |
| 19:19.39 | zeq | back |
| 19:19.44 | Shapeshifter | that's odd. |
| 19:19.50 | kerio | hehehe |
| 19:19.56 | kerio | bupbat not failed yet? |
| 19:20.00 | freemangordon | 22:13 <freemangordon> zeq: I missed that. But anyway, I am on holiday starting tomorrow, will be back in the middle of the next week |
| 19:20.06 | kerio | (notice the "yet") |
| 19:20.43 | zeq | freemangordon: ah ok. I'll be back home at the weekend. |
| 19:20.45 | freemangordon | Shapeshifter: you replaced the battery with a new one or with a capacitor? |
| 19:21.15 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: no I removed the battery to solder down the usb port and upon refitting the battery and turning it on, I'm not greeted by the tutorial anymore |
| 19:21.23 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: my old n900 would always need me to set the date and time |
| 19:21.38 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 19:21.40 | zeq | Shapeshifter: you're lucky then :) |
| 19:22.22 | freemangordon | does anyone ever replaced the clock battery with a capacitor? |
| 19:22.52 | freemangordon | s/does/has/ |
| 19:25.24 | MrPingu | quick question what's the difference between cssu3 and kp51r1? Couldn't find a changelog for cssu3 |
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| 19:26.53 | kerio | you mean kernel-cssu (from cssu-thumb) and kernel-power? |
| 19:26.58 | freemangordon | zeq: BTW fennec is missing volume keys zoom control |
| 19:27.13 | zeq | what happened to it? |
| 19:27.31 | zeq | going to check my git repo |
| 19:27.46 | freemangordon | NFC, seems the patch is not commited, or is lost during rebase |
| 19:28.02 | kerio | yay git |
| 19:28.33 | zeq | freemangordon: I'll take a look |
| 19:28.45 | freemangordon | MrPingu: kernel-cssu3 is kp51r1, changelog is in .deb and on gitorious |
| 19:28.46 | MrPingu | Yes I mean kernel-cssu and kp51r1 ;) |
| 19:29.13 | zeq | afk |
| 19:29.28 | MrPingu | freemangordon, thanks |
| 19:30.10 | freemangordon | np :) |
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| 19:32.04 | MrPingu | FAM/HAM didn't display changelog for cssu3 ;) |
| 19:32.18 | kerio | apt ftw |
| 19:33.41 | freemangordon | MrPingu: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu/blobs/history/master/kernel-cssu-2.6.28/debian/changelog |
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| 19:42.21 | freemangordon | zeq: did you get your devel n900? |
| 19:43.39 | MrPingu | Woohoo finally got my money returned for my fake digitizer |
| 19:44.32 | MrPingu | + shipping costs. Took 2 months and alot of complaining but I got in the end :) |
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| 19:46.15 | zeq | freemangordon: should be getting it next week, I asked vi to hold-off until I got back. |
| 19:46.55 | zeq | freemangordon: any other patch missing? |
| 19:47.37 | zeq | I have them all saved separately |
| 19:48.44 | freemangordon | zeq: I think no, though I didn't check the source for "non-compositing" stuff |
| 19:49.17 | zeq | have you pushed anything? |
| 19:49.22 | freemangordon | no :) |
| 19:49.34 | zeq | saves me from pulling :) |
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| 19:50.56 | zeq | freemangordon: shall I rebase while I'm at it? |
| 19:50.58 | freemangordon | zeq: when we are back, we should pester romaxa re those patches, I don't see any development on the bugtracker |
| 19:51.06 | freemangordon | zeq: why not |
| 19:52.06 | freemangordon | zeq: and we MUST find a way to reduce the memory usage, though I cannot find a way how to do it :( |
| 19:52.29 | freemangordon | romaxa is the one to help, again :D |
| 19:52.34 | zeq | yeah |
| 19:52.43 | zeq | did you ask on #mobile? |
| 19:53.14 | freemangordon | zeq: no, I was not active since doc managed to make me angry ;) |
| 19:53.43 | zeq | oh, that's why you were away? |
| 19:54.14 | Shapeshifter | Mhh, where can I set the desktop tile size for regular app launchers? On my old n900 they are slightly smaller but it doesn't seem to be theme related and I can't find such a parameter in transitions.ini either. I forgot how I did this... |
| 19:55.40 | freemangordon | zeq: yeah :) |
| 19:56.10 | freemangordon | Shapeshifter: iirc there was a patch in h-d for that, but it did not make it in CSSU as it was buggy |
| 19:59.04 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: mhh, I see. There's also a tool for resizing the icons but I don't actually need that. The icons are fine, but the background is just a bit too big. |
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| 20:00.15 | freemangordon | Shapeshifter: speaking of nicks.. what is yours @ TMO? |
| 20:00.49 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: shapeshifter |
| 20:02.13 | freemangordon | hmm, can't remember seeing that, it seems you're not active for more than 2 years. not that it matters, I was just wondering :) |
| 20:02.17 | MrPingu | Your the guy of alarmed? |
| 20:03.08 | Shapeshifter | freemangordon: yeah I'm kinda busy with other stuff |
| 20:03.25 | Shapeshifter | MrPingu: yeah. I shall make an update this weekend to include some of the things people proposed |
| 20:03.38 | freemangordon | https://bugs.maemo.org/10025 |
| 20:03.40 | povbot | 04Bug 10025: alarmd 1.1.13 does not correctly replace [COOKIE] in exec strings |
| 20:04.02 | Shapeshifter | expired ssl cert btw ;) |
| 20:04.23 | Shapeshifter | nice though that it has been fixed! |
| 20:04.42 | freemangordon | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/alarmd/commit/a58fc206198b8ecda3847db625eea93ab845b930 |
| 20:04.44 | freemangordon | :P |
| 20:04.53 | Shapeshifter | what a huge diff |
| 20:05.30 | freemangordon | yeah :D |
| 20:06.38 | freemangordon | anyway, unfortunately I am off to work (real one, not in some bar :) ). night guys |
| 20:06.55 | zeq | freemangordon: pushed |
| 20:07.15 | freemangordon | zeq: thanks, will try it tomorrow |
| 20:07.21 | zeq | freemangordon: have a good night |
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| 20:25.45 | Shapeshifter | -sh: wget: not found |
| 20:25.56 | Shapeshifter | E: Package wget has no installation candidate |
| 20:25.58 | Shapeshifter | >.> |
| 20:30.58 | Shapeshifter | mhh, needed to add a repo. |
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| 22:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | <infobot> freemangordon meant: has anyone ever replaced the clock battery with a capacitor? |
| 22:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 22:22.51 | Kilroo | Was it a flux capacitor? |
| 22:22.59 | Kilroo | Seems appropriate for a clock battery. |
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| 22:56.43 | RiD | e |
| 22:57.52 | pronto | e |
| 22:58.50 | RiD | lol... i typed it accidentally |
| 23:00.13 | pronto | HOW DARE YOU |
| 23:00.15 | pronto | <3 |
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