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| 00:07.50 | iluminator105 | how do you enable wireshark to capture in n900? |
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| 00:13.47 | iluminator105 | is libcap in the repo |
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| 00:15.45 | r00t|home | libPcap |
| 00:18.01 | r00t|home | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/libp/libpcap/ |
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| 00:54.51 | iluminator105 | than r00t|home |
| 00:54.57 | iluminator105 | thanks r00t|home |
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| 01:24.38 | bonehead | hello |
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| 03:21.06 | RST38h | ...The Austrian Empire, supported by German and possibly Belgian and Romanian allies, launched a significant fleet of vessels into macrocosmic space, apparently powered by glucose harvested from dust falling onto SCP-1235. |
| 03:21.42 | RST38h | can't begin to think what kind of controlled substances the author of this shit is on |
| 03:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, makes for great reading, though, right? |
| 03:28.18 | RST38h | General: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1235 |
| 03:28.28 | RST38h | General: But for Tentacled's sake, EXHALE. |
| 03:29.03 | RST38h | ...The americium pellet in Examination Room 3's smoke alarm has also been seized, apparently in the belief that this mass will be fissionable via microcosmic explosives. |
| 03:32.04 | robbiethe1st | -.- |
| 03:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yawn |
| 03:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems I ran into this SCP stuff before - probably guided by a dude with nick RST38h, some years ago |
| 03:36.48 | GeneralAntilles | Probably |
| 03:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yawns a bit morew |
| 03:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | -w |
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| 06:10.25 | LaoLang_cool | nemo is n900's future? |
| 06:11.44 | slonopotamus | don't summon the troll |
| 06:14.19 | LaoLang_cool | slonopotamus, what? I don't understand, my english is poor... |
| 06:14.26 | LaoLang_cool | Do you mena nemo isn't the future? |
| 06:17.55 | slonopotamus | LaoLang_cool: i'm following maemo-related community for quite a long time already and what i saw in all forks/alternatives is constant (and repeatable) rebuild of lower level system packages and then phasing out when things touched gui. that happened to mer1, deblet, meego, tizen, several even less known things. next candidates are mer2/nemo/plasma active |
| 06:18.28 | LaoLang_cool | oh... |
| 06:18.52 | slonopotamus | well, maybe i'm wrong this time :) |
| 06:19.14 | LaoLang_cool | slonopotamus, thanks for info, I saw a news that nemo is actively under development these days |
| 06:19.21 | LaoLang_cool | So I get excited with it |
| 06:19.58 | slonopotamus | LaoLang_cool: and before that, meego was actively under development. and before that, maemo itself was |
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| 06:21.20 | slonopotamus | meh, just look at mer homepage. no important news except initial project announcement. |
| 06:23.16 | LaoLang_cool | slonopotamus, oh... anyhow, I hope this time you're wrong ;p |
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| 08:24.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: ping |
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| 08:31.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
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| 08:58.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: pong |
| 09:05.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: stop mce; start mce caused mce to crash or something |
| 09:05.15 | kerio | it was fun trying to restart it while blind |
| 09:05.55 | kerio | i learned that you can kinda see something, with the backlight off |
| 09:07.14 | kerio | anyway, i suggest not restarting mce at the end of the calibration |
| 09:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's very strange, since quite some situations require restart of mce and I never seen it crash on that (e.g. LED pattern editor) |
| 09:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway thanks for the report |
| 09:10.21 | kerio | locking the screen via dbus-send sounds like the best option |
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| 09:28.22 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: is it possible to use the n900 without a battery? |
| 09:29.09 | LaoLang_cool | why? |
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| 09:29.44 | jon_y | LaoLang_cool: in case my battery dies |
| 09:29.52 | LaoLang_cool | oh |
| 09:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: use: yes. boot: no. |
| 09:30.11 | jon_y | dies as in dead, damaged, burned |
| 09:30.15 | jon_y | oh? |
| 09:30.43 | jon_y | so if it were on the wall charger it would continue if the battery was removed? |
| 09:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you do it right then yes. I published aq mini-howto on tmo |
| 09:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically you set screen to always on and stop bme |
| 09:32.04 | jon_y | ok, its like on life support |
| 09:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably you want to go tabletmode or airplanemode |
| 09:32.37 | jon_y | what's wrong with the gsm? |
| 09:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | too much power |
| 09:32.46 | jon_y | drains more than the charger can provide? |
| 09:32.50 | jon_y | hmm ok |
| 09:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 09:33.00 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, what do you think about nemo? |
| 09:33.31 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: I read your article on flimsy usb charger ports, now I'm worried :( |
| 09:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got no dedicated notion about it |
| 09:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell jon_y about usbfix |
| 09:35.09 | jon_y | I know about those |
| 09:35.24 | LaoLang_cool | oh |
| 09:35.27 | jon_y | just that I'm not too confident on dissembly |
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| 09:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | then just be careful |
| 09:36.58 | jon_y | is the usb port accessible after removing the 6 screws behind the cover? |
| 09:37.13 | jon_y | or are there more disassembly? |
| 09:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. in this particular case it's maybe a good idea to break the iron rule how to remove a plug, and pull out the USB (charger) plug by the *cable*. make sure you pull straight away from N900, not up, down, left or right |
| 09:38.31 | jon_y | I will remember that, can hardly find any n900 replacements |
| 09:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: it's a bit more you need to do, particularly unplug that friggin flat plastic cable B2B connector that connects screen half with kbd half |
| 09:39.40 | jon_y | I saw that on youtube, doesn't look too simple |
| 09:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, it's delicate |
| 09:41.02 | jon_y | with all the tiny connectors and all, and the impossibly hard to reach screen connector |
| 09:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't feel familiar and confident with such stuff, I strongly dicourage you to do the disassembly |
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| 09:50.51 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I gathered that much by watching the youtube video on n900 disassembly |
| 09:51.04 | jon_y | thanks for all your work though |
| 09:52.13 | jon_y | I don't have steady hands that can do BGA solderings with standard sized solders :| |
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| 09:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, for soldering down the USB that's not exactly a needed skill |
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| 09:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless it's already broken |
| 09:54.43 | jon_y | I could handle the soldering, just not the disassembly, my hands are too rough |
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| 10:04.00 | vi_ | An autistic chimp could solder down the USB socket. |
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| 10:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: but the FPC B2Bcon is a biatch |
| 10:05.10 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: the what now? |
| 10:05.20 | vi_ | The ribbon that connects the screen to the mobo? |
| 10:05.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | tha FlatPlasticCable Board2Board connector |
| 10:06.21 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Fuck trying to solder that! |
| 10:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | that FPC itself also is a bit delicate, but the connector is really silly |
| 10:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the second layer PCB with bridge traces that they soldered on back side of the PCB+connector abomination |
| 10:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, soldering two PCB flat on flat is a silly thing in itself, not efen considering the FPC being flexible, and the plug/connector needing mechanical force to mate/unmate |
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| 10:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/efe/eve/ |
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| 10:54.58 | jon_y | s/bga/surface mount/ |
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| 11:04.55 | SpeedEvil | i was idly wondering about that for multilayer boards. |
| 11:05.00 | SpeedEvil | Solder board on board. |
| 11:05.12 | SpeedEvil | Clearly there are mechanical issues. |
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| 11:10.51 | edheldil | SpeedEvil: I would be more afraid of the parasite capacities |
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| 11:17.09 | SpeedEvil | There is nothing magical about vias. |
| 11:17.34 | SpeedEvil | The capacitance would be if anything, less than a conventionally manufactured board. |
| 11:17.58 | jacekowski | well, traditional boards are not that different to soldered |
| 11:18.02 | SpeedEvil | But, there are severe mechanical issues, the board will be very fragile, as there are huge shear loads when you bend a board. |
| 11:18.16 | jacekowski | it's a lot of double sided boards pressed together |
| 11:18.24 | SpeedEvil | - it would be less due to the lower dielectric constant of air vs pcb |
| 11:18.39 | SpeedEvil | And temperature changes will also cause load changes. |
| 11:18.45 | SpeedEvil | stress changes |
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| 11:33.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: cleven now has a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 11:33.48 | kerio | ...that doesn't work |
| 11:33.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: LOL! |
| 11:34.09 | kerio | why don't people *test* this stuff? :c |
| 11:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | well |
| 11:34.21 | kerio | i mean, it's not hard |
| 11:34.27 | kerio | i fixed it in my sudoers file, but still |
| 11:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | why do people have problems with such a simple stuff like sudoers.d/* |
| 11:35.35 | kerio | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /opt/cleven/clevenHelper.sh *, /opt/cleven/load.sh *, /opt/cleven/unload.sh |
| 11:35.42 | kerio | sudoers.d doesn't work like that! |
| 11:35.47 | kerio | s/\.d// |
| 11:35.53 | kerio | hm |
| 11:35.56 | kerio | infobot: ping |
| 11:35.56 | infobot | ~pong |
| 11:35.59 | kerio | hm |
| 11:36.14 | kerio | care to guess what my fix was? :) |
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| 11:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: are /opt/cleven/clevenHelper.sh /opt/cleven/load.sh /opt/cleven/unload.sh at least not writable by anybody but root? |
| 11:39.50 | kerio | yeah, 755 root:root |
| 11:40.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | as well as /opt/cleven ? |
| 11:40.07 | kerio | yep |
| 11:40.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 11:40.50 | kerio | the modules are 644 root too |
| 11:42.13 | kerio | on the other hand, passwords are saved in /etc/passwd, hashed with crypt() |
| 11:42.28 | kerio | so yeah :s |
| 11:44.55 | kerio | unrelated: is there a programmatic way to find out what's the size of a partition? |
| 11:45.37 | jon_y | kerio: ivstat or something, I can;t remember |
| 11:45.52 | kerio | iostat? that's for statistics |
| 11:46.26 | jon_y | no, it gives the size |
| 11:46.43 | jon_y | you'll need to divide it by the cluster size or something |
| 11:46.51 | jon_y | I can't remember the exact function name |
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| 11:47.59 | kerio | sfdisk -s apparently :D |
| 11:50.33 | jon_y | kerio: http://linux.die.net/man/2/fstatfs64 |
| 11:50.41 | jon_y | I think I used that some time ago |
| 11:51.18 | jon_y | a bit overkill if you want to do it from a script |
| 11:51.28 | kerio | yay, sfdisk is busybox |
| 11:51.29 | kerio | so it's installed everywhere! :D |
| 11:52.24 | kerio | hm, iostat is busybox too, but nobody owns that symlink for some reason |
| 11:52.28 | kerio | maybe it's busybox-power? |
| 11:52.50 | jon_y | does busybox-power completely replace busybox? |
| 11:53.18 | kerio | yeah |
| 11:53.26 | kerio | but it does so with preinst/postinst scripts, of course |
| 11:53.46 | jon_y | if it doesn't break things, sure why not |
| 11:54.51 | kerio | yeah, it's busybox-power |
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| 12:00.36 | kerio | hmm, why does reswap use weird commands instead of /proc/partitions and /proc/diskstats? |
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| 12:03.54 | kerio | oh balls, how do i add a literal $ in a busybox string? |
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| 12:20.00 | jon_y | kerio: \$ <-? |
| 12:20.10 | kerio | jon_y: yeah, i figured :) |
| 12:20.24 | kerio | alright, my swapswap script has no dependencies other than busybox |
| 12:20.25 | kerio | i think |
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| 12:22.40 | jon_y | kerio: heh, nice name |
| 12:23.05 | kerio | :D |
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| 12:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | swallows any comment about messybox-bowa |
| 12:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | except: |
| 12:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 12:34.28 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 12:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, my fist linux system had 8MB RAM, 50MB HDD, and yet it had a proper bash and complete manpages and all unixtools |
| 12:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | first* |
| 12:37.58 | jon_y | heh |
| 12:38.24 | jon_y | at work, I get to deal with csh and all it's idiosyncrasies |
| 12:38.46 | jon_y | its ENTERPRISE grade they said |
| 12:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | (t)csh is a PITA in the long run |
| 12:38.50 | jon_y | at least busybox is consistent |
| 12:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh really? |
| 12:39.24 | kerio | "enterprise" is possibly the worst reason to choose a shell |
| 12:39.45 | jon_y | kerio: I think its just pure momentum |
| 12:40.04 | jon_y | all the scripts are held over from big iron Unix, probably |
| 12:40.12 | jaska | scripting in csh :( |
| 12:40.17 | jon_y | and then when Linux came along... |
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| 12:41.01 | jon_y | also, CTRL+H for backspaces |
| 12:41.15 | jaska | stty? |
| 12:41.16 | jon_y | I'm not sure how they got that crazy :) |
| 12:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | in work I followed instructions for building android, and it been written "tell your admin to install bash as default shell!". I did since my account came with tcsh initially, and answer been "OK, here you are. But don't complain, you're the only one with bash now" |
| 12:41.20 | jon_y | yeah |
| 12:41.47 | jon_y | lol, I get that too |
| 12:41.55 | kerio | :D |
| 12:42.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what breaks if you put bash in /bin/sh? |
| 12:42.23 | jon_y | tcl is somehow cool to them :| |
| 12:42.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | on N900? |
| 12:42.38 | jon_y | ancient tcl8.4 |
| 12:42.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah |
| 12:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly boot of user |
| 12:43.29 | jon_y | I just do bash -i as my first command :) |
| 12:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | not by using bash as default shell, but by replacing the messybox commands by proper fullsized unixtools |
| 12:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: same here |
| 12:44.20 | jon_y | I tried that, dpkg got in the way |
| 12:44.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I fixed the *rc and profile* scripts so only bash gets bin/gnu in $PATH |
| 12:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 12:45.36 | infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 12:45.58 | kerio | meh, bash is both user and root's default shell here |
| 12:45.59 | kerio | and nothing broke |
| 12:46.08 | kerio | i mean, scripts are still launched by busybox |
| 12:46.14 | kerio | "#!/bin/sh" |
| 12:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, since you neither linked /bin/sh to bash, not included bash to /etc/shells |
| 12:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/not/nor/ |
| 12:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I bet your ps is still useless |
| 12:48.34 | jon_y | tar is useless |
| 12:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that too |
| 12:48.40 | jon_y | gtar is better |
| 12:48.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nope, my ps is the real ps |
| 12:48.55 | kerio | from procps |
| 12:49.10 | kerio | :D |
| 12:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | gtar == bin/gnu/tar |
| 12:49.30 | kerio | and bash is in /etc/shells |
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| 12:49.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather |
| 12:49.48 | jon_y | full coreutils pleas :) |
| 12:49.52 | jon_y | *please |
| 12:49.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | g* == bin/gnu/* |
| 12:49.56 | kerio | jon_y: i have that too |
| 12:50.14 | jon_y | are those already optified? |
| 12:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:50.23 | jon_y | I mean busyboc symlinks are cheap |
| 12:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | except 4 |
| 12:50.28 | jon_y | nice |
| 12:50.33 | jon_y | 4? |
| 12:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | rgrep, diff, diff3 and something else |
| 12:50.57 | kerio | what's the idiomatic way of doing if elif else chains in shell scripting? |
| 12:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | a case ;-P |
| 12:51.39 | kerio | nope |
| 12:51.43 | kerio | i need two different conditions |
| 12:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? |
| 12:52.09 | jon_y | ternary? |
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| 12:52.35 | kerio | if $SWAP1 is in /proc/swaps ... else if $SWAP2 is in /proc/swaps ... else |
| 12:52.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ternary only works for numeric in shell |
| 12:53.26 | jon_y | I like my perl scripts more than shell scripts because of this :) |
| 12:54.10 | kerio | the thing is, in real programs you're supposed to use the syscalls to get system data |
| 12:54.15 | kerio | not parse the files in /proc |
| 12:55.35 | jon_y | yeah, I've seen programmers do that in C |
| 12:55.51 | kerio | oh god why |
| 12:55.55 | kerio | C string manip is horrible |
| 12:56.12 | jon_y | because they were script writers before introduced to C |
| 12:56.30 | jon_y | csh+tcl everyday will do that to you |
| 12:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: case "`cat \proc\swaps`" in "*${SWAP1}*") do-sth;; "*${SWAP2}*") do-sth-else;; *) echo "WTF?!";; esac; |
| 12:56.45 | jon_y | also, using C++ just to cat strings |
| 12:56.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ooh, neat |
| 12:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you use if then elif else |
| 12:58.26 | jon_y | kerio: btw, that massive junk to parse text is now rewriten in Java :) |
| 12:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halley:~> help if |
| 12:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if: if COMMANDS; then COMMANDS; [ elif COMMANDS; then COMMANDS; ]... [ else COMMANDS; ] fi |
| 12:58.39 | jon_y | sounds at home on the dailywtf |
| 12:59.11 | jon_y | java because regex and they can't handle pointers |
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| 13:01.50 | kerio | meh, i can afford two passes over /proc/swaps |
| 13:02.23 | kerio | http://fpaste.org/dHyt/ fuck yeah awk |
| 13:03.06 | jon_y | yeah, rarely used tool |
| 13:03.15 | kerio | grep and arithmetics |
| 13:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you all make me feel so sad |
| 13:04.21 | kerio | :c |
| 13:04.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why? |
| 13:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | just because... and of java |
| 13:05.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and C++ |
| 13:05.18 | kerio | oh, that |
| 13:05.43 | jon_y | lol, never underestimate them ever |
| 13:06.01 | jon_y | nobody there has heard of diff -u |
| 13:06.07 | kerio | haha |
| 13:06.11 | jon_y | they use context diffs |
| 13:06.30 | jon_y | also, rcs for version control |
| 13:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw there's absolutely nothing wring with fopen("/proc/foo/bar"), proc-ps does exactly that |
| 13:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wrong* |
| 13:07.34 | jon_y | well, yeah, but java, reallly, to parse text?? |
| 13:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | re "supposed to use syscalls" |
| 13:07.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: really? :o |
| 13:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess why it's called procps |
| 13:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, even the devels say it's a bit heavy |
| 13:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then otoh, who cares, since you won't call ps in an endless tight loop |
| 13:09.40 | jon_y | heh, I've seen ssh called from a GUI thread |
| 13:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | all fine with me |
| 13:10.06 | jon_y | it paused the whole program while the remote command runs |
| 13:10.08 | kerio | wtf is /core? |
| 13:10.29 | jon_y | I should get paid more to babysit the programmers :| |
| 13:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are thing I kill with one system() line calling a shell cmd, that otherwise cost me 2 pages of code |
| 13:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | like e.g. grep |
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| 13:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the additional benefit is it's spawning a sub-process that terminates and frees all memory used by sh and grep, as soon as I got my result |
| 13:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so tell me what's wrong with it |
| 13:13.55 | kerio | apart from the waste of resources? |
| 13:13.57 | kerio | >:C |
| 13:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | what friggin waste of resources? YOU are wasting resources reinventing the grep-whell in your code |
| 13:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | memory resources, and your own resources for coding it |
| 13:14.51 | kerio | grep-whell? |
| 13:14.57 | kerio | oh, wheel |
| 13:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | wheel |
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| 13:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's more mem-heavy for a short while, but frees resources immediately after completing its task, while your code with builtin grep carries this grep code along all the time |
| 13:16.44 | kerio | builtin grep = strcmp? |
| 13:16.53 | kerio | well, strncmp |
| 13:16.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | go try that |
| 13:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll soon find out about boost-regex |
| 13:17.40 | kerio | why would i want to use c++? D: |
| 13:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you can code your own regex as well |
| 13:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or use (3)regex |
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| 13:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | have fun! |
| 13:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | til you hit "q" on "man 3 regex" I already forgot that system() line I coded |
| 13:20.04 | kerio | hehe |
| 13:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus it just works |
| 13:20.38 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: Well - yes and no - if the code for your grep is not used, it will be swapped out with enough memory pressure. |
| 13:20.47 | SpeedEvil | (well - not swapped out, if it's executable backed) |
| 13:20.57 | kerio | unrelated: can /sys/block/mmcblk*/queue/nr_requests be increased to 4096 or 8192 (as ShadowJK_ said) without too many consequences? |
| 13:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: ack |
| 13:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: probably it's large enough to occupy a whole swap page, or several |
| 13:22.04 | kerio | grep probably is |
| 13:22.24 | kerio | a manual strncmp? not really |
| 13:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? when I need that grep only once on startup, to e.g. parse initfiles? |
| 13:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: and again, grep != strcmp |
| 13:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep == regex + read/write |
| 13:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and fun starts when I ned sed instead of grep, and then watch your effort coding that |
| 13:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | need* |
| 13:24.58 | kerio | laughs at silly people setting nr_requests to 4 for some weird reason |
| 13:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, unrelated but inspired by... what's maxterm on fremantle now? |
| 13:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc on diablo it been 4 or sth iinsane like that |
| 13:26.35 | kerio | maxterm? |
| 13:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | max number of pty(?) |
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| 13:28.28 | kerio | ooh, found a problem - backupmenu can't give me a root console because there's no /bin/bash in backupmenu's jail |
| 13:28.34 | kerio | how fun |
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| 13:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 16, mhm |
| 13:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if he already fixed that |
| 13:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: cat /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max |
| 13:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | please |
| 13:30.30 | kerio | 16 |
| 13:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | tnx |
| 13:30.37 | kerio | and i haven't fixed it |
| 13:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gathered that |
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| 13:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | since you'd probably have used 10000 when you fix it ;-P |
| 13:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's your reswap going along? |
| 13:33.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: have you "fixed" nr_requests? |
| 13:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | path? |
| 13:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (prolly not, unless swapolube does) |
| 13:33.35 | kerio | /sys/block/mmcblk*/queue/nr_requests |
| 13:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4 4 |
| 13:33.55 | kerio | ...wat |
| 13:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 13:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/block/mmcblk*/queue/nr_requests -> 4 4 |
| 13:34.12 | kerio | ShadowJK_ advised me to use 8192, when doing heavy I/O |
| 13:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I know |
| 13:34.50 | kerio | is 8192 good for normal usage, i wonder? |
| 13:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I once wrote a wrapper around cp to do that temporarily |
| 13:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or not |
| 13:36.16 | kerio | or at least something in between |
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| 13:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~/bin# which cp |
| 13:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gnu/cp |
| 13:36.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't recall the downsides it comes with |
| 13:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure thare are any |
| 13:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | at very least regarding memory usage or sth |
| 13:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | waaaait, that's been sooo long ago, I have to check t900 |
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| 13:39.36 | kerio | i just don't get why the CPU is used, when copying files |
| 13:39.46 | kerio | i mean, why isn't it I/O bound? |
| 13:41.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i think that swappolube is the one that put nr_requests to 4 |
| 13:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 13:42.42 | LaoLang_coo_ | is back to maemo... |
| 13:43.14 | kerio | meh, 16384 total requests doesn't seem too much to me |
| 13:43.21 | kerio | >:) |
| 13:45.50 | jon_y | kerio: PIO mode? |
| 13:46.07 | jon_y | copy to cpu cache, copy cache to device |
| 13:46.30 | kerio | meh :c |
| 13:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/init.d/rcS: echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1" |
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| 13:48.45 | kerio | dafuq |
| 13:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo 16 > /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max |
| 13:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a *lot* of other nice stuff, inviting to mess with it |
| 13:50.27 | kerio | i don't have anything regarding nr_requests |
| 13:50.33 | kerio | but the other stuff is there |
| 13:51.04 | kerio | i don't get it, why is a small nr_requests a good thing? |
| 13:51.17 | kerio | random IO is really awful, and you gotta use RAM for something |
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| 13:52.34 | kerio | echo "/what/me/worry" > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |
| 13:52.35 | kerio | wtf is that |
| 13:53.05 | kerio | oh, no core dumps |
| 13:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, git it in my pastebuffer to paste it here ;-) |
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| 13:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if there's a pkg bootchart |
| 14:01.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | where's friggin bootchart? |
| 14:02.46 | kerio | ok, screw it, i'm setting both nr_requests to 2048 at boot time |
| 14:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about sane |
| 14:04.32 | kerio | or maybe 8192? |
| 14:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell me your results |
| 14:04.36 | kerio | ShadowJK_: *poke* |
| 14:05.22 | kerio | i wonder if /etc/init.d/rcS is the right place |
| 14:05.27 | kerio | but hey, lots of parameters are tweaked there |
| 14:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
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| 14:08.11 | kerio | ok, put the echo calls right before the exit in /etc/init.d/rcS and they were applied |
| 14:08.41 | kerio | i put them at 8192 because fuck waiting 20 minutes of IO at 200kb/s to copy ONE file |
| 14:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder how /sbin/preinit and /etc/init.d/rcS relate |
| 14:09.23 | kerio | preinit is before init |
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| 14:09.40 | kerio | /etc/init.d/rcS is ran by /etc/event.d/rcS, which is ran by upstart (init) |
| 14:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 14:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
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| 14:10.07 | kerio | at least, that's what i gathered by the comments in /etc/event.d/rcS |
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| 14:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck upstart |
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| 14:13.56 | DocScrutinizer06 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.33 | kerio | too little too late, nokia :c |
| 14:14.49 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer06, preinit? |
| 14:14.57 | DocScrutinizer06 | :nod: |
| 14:15.06 | kerio | did the n810 have usb otg? |
| 14:15.07 | Hurrian | yeah, a lot of stuff for booting from somewhere other than onenand was stripped out |
| 14:16.00 | DocScrutinizer06 | if [ $serial_console -ne 0 ]; then |
| 14:16.01 | DocScrutinizer06 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:17.48 | DocScrutinizer06 | default_root=$(cal-tool --get-root-device 2> /dev/null) |
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| 14:21.15 | DocScrutinizer06 | hope I fsckd my work N900 with cal-tool --set-root-device "" now |
| 14:22.33 | DocScrutinizer06 | reboots |
| 14:25.07 | DocScrutinizer06 | boots. Still I wonder how to recover from cal-tool --set-root-device mmc |
| 14:25.19 | DocScrutinizer06 | in case it refuses to boot then |
| 14:25.32 | DocScrutinizer06 | reflash won't help a messed up CAL |
| 14:26.33 | jonwil | only way to recover from such a thing would be to build something you can use with the "load this and run it" option for the flasher and would fix your CAL |
| 14:26.48 | DocScrutinizer06 | yep |
| 14:26.58 | kerio | ~rescueos |
| 14:27.00 | DocScrutinizer06 | nin101's rescue-system |
| 14:27.07 | kerio | stupid infobot |
| 14:27.22 | DocScrutinizer06 | ~listkeys rescue |
| 14:28.22 | DocScrutinizer06 | ~rescue kerio |
| 14:28.22 | infobot | ACTION leaps into certain danger to rescue kerio and return kerio to safety! |
| 14:28.37 | kerio | yay |
| 14:28.46 | kerio | !seen robbiethe1st |
| 14:28.50 | kerio | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 14:28.57 | infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-128-155.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 56m 53s ago, saying: '-.-'. |
| 14:28.57 | DocScrutinizer06 | ~rescue-os |
| 14:28.57 | infobot | i guess rescue-os is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Nin101/N900_Rescue_OS, or http://nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt, or http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
| 14:29.34 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, boot some other OS using flasher and chroot back into Maemo? |
| 14:29.37 | kerio | the lack of /bin/bash in backupmenu prevents me from using backupmenu's rescue shell :( |
| 14:29.51 | jpinx | I have a very dead battery and when it is in the n900 and connected to the charger (either wall or laptop usb) the phone tries and retries to boot and the battery does not charge. How can I stop the cycle of booting attempts and leave te battery to charge "quietly" ? |
| 14:30.06 | kerio | jpinx: remove the battery |
| 14:30.08 | kerio | and then |
| 14:30.11 | kerio | ~flatbatrecovery |
| 14:30.16 | kerio | ~flatbatrescue |
| 14:30.19 | kerio | goddammit infobot |
| 14:30.22 | kerio | ~flatbatcharge |
| 14:30.25 | DocScrutinizer06 | forget it |
| 14:30.29 | jpinx | :) |
| 14:30.35 | kerio | ~listkeys flatbat |
| 14:30.44 | kerio | ~flatbatrecover |
| 14:30.44 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 14:31.06 | kerio | there you go |
| 14:31.06 | DocScrutinizer06 | jpinx: either you fsckdup your rootfs, then you need to reflash, or your battery is so damaged you simply need a new one |
| 14:31.52 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer06: I reckon it's the battery cos the N900@boots fine with another battery |
| 14:31.58 | DocScrutinizer06 | jpinx: flatbatrecover won't help since your device already tries to boot |
| 14:32.20 | DocScrutinizer06 | jpinx: :nod: battery simply dead |
| 14:32.49 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer06: I was hoping for a way to stop the autoboot function of plugging in the charger |
| 14:32.50 | DocScrutinizer06 | jpinx: you can try with cleaning the contacts of battery |
| 14:33.03 | DocScrutinizer06 | jpinx: what for? |
| 14:33.35 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer06: to do charge only.. not boot the device |
| 14:33.50 | DocScrutinizer06 | there's no charging without boot |
| 14:34.06 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer06: so it seems ;) |
| 14:34.16 | DocScrutinizer06 | except flatbatrecover, which I told you doesn't help your case |
| 14:34.32 | jacekowski | jpinx: leave battery in untill it dies |
| 14:34.32 | jpinx | thanks for the confirmation :# |
| 14:34.38 | jacekowski | jpinx: and then do flatbatrecover |
| 14:34.59 | DocScrutinizer06 | jacekowski: so what's the sense in that? |
| 14:35.11 | DocScrutinizer06 | jacekowski: battery already dead |
| 14:35.24 | jacekowski | not dead enough apparently |
| 14:35.33 | DocScrutinizer06 | dead enough for what? |
| 14:35.44 | jacekowski | to use emergency charging |
| 14:36.02 | jacekowski | and not charged enough to boot the phone |
| 14:36.08 | kerio | "not dead enough to use emergency charging" should mean "charged enough to boot the phone" |
| 14:36.11 | kerio | in an healthy battery |
| 14:36.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | there's no use in emergency charging when battery already charged enough to boot system, then fails |
| 14:36.26 | DocScrutinizer06 | kerio: exactly |
| 14:36.51 | kerio | on the other hand, maybe charging it somewhere else will bring it back to an usable level |
| 14:36.52 | DocScrutinizer06 | battery dead like stinking fish |
| 14:37.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | maybe cleaning contact would |
| 14:37.26 | DocScrutinizer06 | no charging will cure that cell |
| 14:37.47 | kerio | jpinx: buy two scud blue dream, patch them together, enjoy your 3000mAh battery that you need an extra case for |
| 14:38.08 | DocScrutinizer06 | only hope for healing is some dirt on BSI causing that |
| 14:38.25 | jpinx | I've tried charging on an external charger |
| 14:38.26 | kerio | by the way, DocScrutinizer06, why do you have swappolube installed? |
| 14:38.43 | kerio | jpinx: did you screw up the boot process in the mean time? |
| 14:38.43 | DocScrutinizer06 | because... |
| 14:38.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer06: you always say you don't believe in that kind of scripts |
| 14:39.01 | DocScrutinizer06 | I'm not even sure I have |
| 14:39.06 | kerio | hehe |
| 14:39.13 | jpinx | kerio: nope.. it boots fine with other good battery |
| 14:39.19 | kerio | then use that one! |
| 14:39.24 | DocScrutinizer06 | and no, I never said anything like that |
| 14:39.28 | kerio | i mean, duh |
| 14:39.41 | jpinx | kerio I was hopimg for a spare ;) |
| 14:40.10 | jpinx | thanks guy.. I'll soldier on ;) |
| 14:40.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | jpinx: clean contacts, retry, dispose |
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| 14:40.32 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer06: yep. tht tomorrows top todo |
| 14:41.11 | jpinx | sleepy time here :) |
| 14:41.13 | kerio | jpinx: make sure to not dispose if cleaning the contacts works! |
| 14:41.27 | DocScrutinizer06 | jpinx: your battery probably got 3mAh |
| 14:41.31 | jpinx | :) |
| 14:42.32 | DocScrutinizer06 | I guess you either deep-discharged it, or exposed it to heat |
| 14:42.46 | DocScrutinizer06 | or dropped it |
| 14:42.59 | jpinx | possibly toasted it |
| 14:43.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | ~batteryfaq |
| 14:43.12 | infobot | it has been said that batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 14:43.13 | jpinx | in the sunny window ;) |
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| 14:49.51 | vi_ | who wants an n950? |
| 14:49.56 | vi_ | only £1000 |
| 14:50.00 | vi_ | !!! |
| 14:50.13 | vi_ | £1250 last time I checked. |
| 14:50.21 | vi_ | on ebay. |
| 14:50.23 | kerio | i'll give you about tree fiddy |
| 14:50.52 | florian | offers his P4 Intellistation ;) |
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| 14:51.31 | weeedar | hi |
| 14:51.58 | weeedar | i am tryng to use my n900 in mass storage mode on a rather cheap dvd-player |
| 14:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? |
| 14:52.53 | weeedar | one of those dvd-players with usb-functionality |
| 14:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that N900 MSM is about turning the N900 into a storage device? |
| 14:53.10 | weeedar | yes, i am ;) |
| 14:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what would your DVD do with a USBstick plugged into it? |
| 14:53.43 | kerio | <weeedar> one of those dvd-players with usb-functionality |
| 14:53.45 | jonwil | Play video files stored on it presumably |
| 14:53.47 | kerio | play .avis, probably |
| 14:53.55 | weeedar | yupp, exactly |
| 14:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, never heard of that |
| 14:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead |
| 14:54.26 | weeedar | is vfat that much different from fat16/32? |
| 14:54.36 | weeedar | the player doesn't recognize any partition |
| 14:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | vfat == fat32 |
| 14:55.03 | weeedar | not really, according to the wiki |
| 14:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki vfat |
| 14:55.58 | weeedar | i have no idea what the problem is here |
| 14:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Further, the term "VFAT" has led to various misconceptions as well, as it is sometimes erroneously used as if it would describe another variant of FAT file system to be distinguished from the FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 file systems, while in reality it does not specify another file system, but an optional extension, which can work on top of any FAT file system, FAT12, FAT16 or FAT32. |
| 14:59.12 | weeedar | that's what i was talking about :) |
| 14:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, N900 is using VFAT |
| 14:59.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | on FAT32 |
| 14:59.43 | weeedar | that dvd-player looks that cheap, i might have a problem with this fat extension |
| 15:01.03 | weeedar | or could it be the delay between plugging in, and actual availability? |
| 15:01.16 | kerio | stupid question:did you enable mass storage mode on the n900 itself? |
| 15:01.25 | weeedar | yes ;) |
| 15:02.04 | weeedar | this is the first device i come across where MSM doesn't work |
| 15:02.19 | kerio | well, the n900's mass storage mode is kinda weird |
| 15:02.30 | kerio | it shows up as two devices |
| 15:02.40 | kerio | try unplugging, and replugging without enabling mass storage mode |
| 15:03.07 | weeedar | that shouldn't be a problem, i read on a forum that this player just chooses the first, and primamry fat32 partition, ignores the rest |
| 15:03.07 | kerio | and then manually use osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh |
| 15:03.17 | weeedar | hm |
| 15:03.18 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 15:03.32 | kerio | like, osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 15:03.37 | kerio | after umounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 i mean |
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| 15:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could try removing the uSD |
| 15:05.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | might help |
| 15:06.16 | entitled | is there any way to get visual/audible bell working when using ssh to irssi? guess not, but haven't found any separate ssh client. |
| 15:06.30 | weeedar | already tried that Doc :/ |
| 15:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | then speed up with your whole process, it might be timing |
| 15:07.26 | weeedar | hehe, that's a challenge ;) |
| 15:12.57 | weeedar | alright, definitely not my timing |
| 15:13.10 | weeedar | even Kerio's manual way doesn't work |
| 15:13.44 | weeedar | is MyDocs primary? |
| 15:14.38 | weeedar | an easy way to shrink my SD, create a 1GB partition, and use it via MSM would be fine, too.. ;) |
| 15:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | primary? |
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| 15:18.46 | weeedar | don't ask me about it, just read it has to be "primary" and "fat32" ;) |
| 15:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | creating additional partitions and even exporting them via MSM is an expert topic |
| 15:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, yes it's primary |
| 15:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I doubt it would export the partiton table in a way so the DVD could tell, which maybe is the problem |
| 15:20.01 | vi_ | weeedar: what error does the dvd player give? |
| 15:20.19 | weeedar | none, it just acts as if theres nothing plugged in :/ |
| 15:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't that also be the case when there are no appropriate files found? |
| 15:21.07 | weeedar | hm, my folder is hidden |
| 15:21.12 | weeedar | brb :) |
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| 15:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if that DVD player has a PS2 kbd receptacle ;-P |
| 15:23.32 | ShadowJK_ | There isn't much cpu use when copying files |
| 15:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: what are the drawbacks of nr_iorequests=<large-number> ? |
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| 15:25.42 | ShadowJK_ | uses nr_request 4 or 8 or something on diablo, and 4096 or 8192 on fremantle |
| 15:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 15:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | rcS sets it to 4 on fremantle |
| 15:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if 2048 was a better value there |
| 15:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | for everyday use |
| 15:27.23 | weeedar | nope, still doesn't work. the scanning starts after the recognition |
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| 15:28.10 | weeedar | the first holiday i forget to bring the tvout-cable, and i actually need it... |
| 15:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 15:28.26 | ShadowJK_ | i thought it was untouched on fremantle actually |
| 15:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | my rcS has that entry |
| 15:29.03 | Dynamit | Can some one here ping github.com and tell me if they get high respons time too? |
| 15:29.04 | ShadowJK_ | DocScrutinizer; if the IO queue is stuffed full of random I/O it takes ages to clear up, that's one drawack |
| 15:29.19 | weeedar | alright guys, thansk for your help, i'll call it evil wizardry or something ;) |
| 15:29.38 | ShadowJK_ | and why i use 8 on diablo, because diablo kernel's swap write pattern is totally random mostly :0 |
| 15:29.49 | teotwaki | Dynamit: depends what you call high |
| 15:30.01 | Dynamit | 100+ |
| 15:30.25 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not sure if it matters on SD cards |
| 15:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1" |
| 15:30.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots2" |
| 15:30.42 | ShadowJK_ | iirc I dimensioned it first as 4 * 5000ms (worst latency I had seen on mmc/sd), for 20s, leaving 10s margin for watchdogs etc |
| 15:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | from rcS |
| 15:31.24 | vi_ | surely you do not want your nr_requests to be lower than your io_quantum? |
| 15:31.41 | ShadowJK_ | i'm pretty sure that's not original? :) |
| 15:31.46 | teotwaki | Dynamit: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 77.327/79.391/84.580/2.357 ms |
| 15:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be surprised if that's my mess |
| 15:32.12 | vi_ | how the hell am I supposed to test all my disk tunings anyway? |
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| 15:32.26 | ShadowJK_ | the || echo looks like something I would write |
| 15:32.26 | ShadowJK_ | though I dont remember writing it |
| 15:32.28 | vi_ | I have changed a bunch of values and have NFC if it actually does anything? |
| 15:32.32 | Dynamit | thx teotwaki: because I have almost the hole time 100+ |
| 15:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: ?? |
| 15:33.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: nm |
| 15:34.04 | teotwaki | Dynamit: from another location: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 91.944/92.986/97.725/1.645 ms |
| 15:34.29 | Dynamit | okey so the server have a pretty high load right now |
| 15:34.42 | teotwaki | from yet another location: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 112.332/120.461/143.239/9.387 ms |
| 15:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf?! it might be my mess actually? can't recall ever writing that stuff |
| 15:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900 is 'clean' |
| 15:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird |
| 15:37.59 | Dynamit | I have some weird problem with Uboot I have omap1 and power-kernel when I try to load them it looks like it load the kernel but if I look close something tells my sens that it did not load the kernel I want, and when I check it by load the terminal it say losso30-0m5 |
| 15:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | 07. Mär 2011 rcS :-o |
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| 15:38.54 | Dynamit | I have U-boot 2012.04.001-01269 |
| 15:39.37 | Dynamit | when I look at Image typ when it load the kernel it say arm uncompressed |
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| 15:46.40 | conred | Dynamit: to check which kernel runs, type uname -a |
| 15:47.10 | Dynamit | I know but thx for remember me to check that on the phone LoL |
| 15:48.10 | Dynamit | yey it's power51 even that terminal say totally different when loaded |
| 15:48.34 | Dynamit | it should say -power51 on load not 0m5 |
| 15:49.40 | conred | this is just the busybox version, has nothing to do with kernel version |
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| 15:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | was about to say just that |
| 15:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which makes me wonder why Dynamit needs powerkernel anyway |
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| 15:52.12 | Dynamit | okey on one of the other powerkernel it say powerkernel and not the busybox version but shit the same |
| 15:52.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I don't see anything like that on any xterm startup |
| 15:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) built-in shell (ash) |
| 15:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | is what I get |
| 15:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite obviously version info of busybox |
| 15:54.32 | psychologe | ccocccsss |
| 15:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 15:55.49 | Dynamit | make me to a joke if you people want it |
| 15:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody makes jokes here |
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| 15:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I couldn't parse your last sentence "okey..." |
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| 15:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think busybox welcome msg changes with kernel |
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| 15:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you got a different shell on that other system? |
| 15:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | what for do you use powerkernel? |
| 16:01.38 | Dynamit | under-clock, over-clock, use tools like aircrack |
| 16:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:01.49 | Dynamit | and some other stuffs |
| 16:02.43 | Dynamit | What to lazy to make own tools, why do tools when it's many already out for the public to use for testing purpose of curse |
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| 16:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | way too... ? |
| 16:07.02 | Dynamit | what do you mean DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | trying to parse your sentence. Suggesting corrected start of sentence like I read it |
| 16:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | way too lazy to... |
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| 16:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | "what to lazy to" makes no sense to me |
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| 16:09.55 | Dynamit | are sorry some times my brain thing one thing write something else |
| 16:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 16:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll decode everything, eventually ;-D |
| 16:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
| 16:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 16:29.17 | kerio | ShadowJK_: fremantle uses 128 for nr_requests |
| 16:29.19 | kerio | at least, here |
| 16:30.15 | kerio | ShadowJK_: 4096 or 8192? i have 8192 now, but i don't really know what the drawbacks are |
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| 17:15.26 | ShadowJK_ | 128 is kernel default |
| 17:16.02 | ShadowJK_ | tbh i dont think there any difference once it's "big enough" |
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| 17:23.44 | kerio | ShadowJK_: so 8192 then :3 |
| 17:24.06 | kerio | i hope the watchdog won't bite me in the arse |
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| 17:28.19 | ShadowJK_ | it wasnt mlocked or realtime in diablo |
| 17:29.04 | FIQ | uhh |
| 17:29.12 | FIQ | I've a small problem with hildon-desktop |
| 17:29.18 | FIQ | or, not so small really |
| 17:29.24 | FIQ | It decided to break completely |
| 17:29.36 | FIQ | Input works, but not the screen |
| 17:30.21 | FIQ | The screen only shows 1 color in the whole screen, and killing hildon-desktop (which I did blindly) shows xterm briefly (so it's not hardware-related) |
| 17:31.11 | kerio | restore your backupmenu backup! |
| 17:31.53 | freemangordon | FIQ: you can try to apt-get install --reinstall hildon-desktop |
| 17:32.07 | FIQ | kerio: how exactly? |
| 17:32.15 | FIQ | freemangordon: ok |
| 17:32.20 | freemangordon | just in case your transitions.ini are broken |
| 17:32.23 | kerio | well, you do have a full backup, DON'T YOU >:C |
| 17:32.24 | FIQ | first I have to accomplish internet connection |
| 17:32.34 | FIQ | kerio: maybe? *hides* |
| 17:32.37 | freemangordon | FIQ: do you have ssh? |
| 17:32.40 | FIQ | freemangordon, yeah |
| 17:32.46 | FIQ | trying to turn on WLAN right now |
| 17:32.52 | FIQ | all blindly, yay |
| 17:33.14 | FIQ | oh |
| 17:33.15 | FIQ | awesome |
| 17:33.20 | FIQ | I succeed, it's connected |
| 17:33.26 | FIQ | now to connect to the ssh.. |
| 17:35.52 | FIQ | freemangordon: there we go, ssh connected |
| 17:35.56 | FIQ | going to try reinstalling now |
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| 17:41.17 | FIQ | freemangordon: Problem not solved |
| 17:41.35 | FIQ | (I killed hildon-desktop after the install, no change, should I try reboot as well?) |
| 17:41.47 | FIQ | even though I can't see any difference |
| 17:42.13 | FIQ | (and in case of fail, I have to once again blindly turn on WLAN :D) |
| 17:43.22 | FIQ | kerio, what is backmenu though? |
| 17:45.03 | FIQ | Ah, looks like reboot helped post-reinstall |
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| 17:47.30 | kerio | FIQ: backupmenu is your security blanket for maemo |
| 17:47.45 | FIQ | hm |
| 17:47.57 | FIQ | is it worth installing in case something like this happens again? :P |
| 17:48.13 | kerio | full backup/restore *on device* |
| 17:48.13 | kerio | you just need to keep bootmenu working |
| 17:48.13 | kerio | and it takes very little, really |
| 17:48.18 | FIQ | oh, nice |
| 17:48.25 | FIQ | @ "on device" |
| 17:48.32 | FIQ | especially since my microUSB is broken |
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| 18:54.56 | kerio | ShadowJK_: what do you think is a good SD ram size? |
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| 18:55.26 | kerio | i made a script that *toggles* between two swap partitions, keeping track of fragmentation |
| 18:55.45 | kerio | doc said to use 512MiB |
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| 19:01.56 | ShadowJK_ | uses 2g, but when 2g written i toggle to emmc and immediately back |
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| 19:07.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05! explain! |
| 19:08.09 | kerio | ShadowJK_: DocScrutinizer05 said that me using two 4gb partitions was stupid :'( |
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| 19:11.45 | timeless | http://pulse.nokia.com/welcome#wp7_selected |
| 19:11.51 | timeless | check out the third item on the list :) |
| 19:12.44 | ShadowJK_ | well toggling from usd to usd is a bit slow i think |
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| 19:17.53 | kerio | ShadowJK_: :c |
| 19:19.09 | ShadowJK_ | waits for the "no maemo" whine :) |
| 19:20.59 | kerio | ShadowJK: i'm toggling from usd to usd anyway |
| 19:21.14 | kerio | but i still don't get why size matters |
| 19:21.25 | ShadowJK | Oh I just use 2g because it's the max |
| 19:21.32 | kerio | :o |
| 19:21.33 | kerio | wat |
| 19:22.32 | ShadowJK | Well, there's a reason that the original swap is 768, you can't practically run the device with swap use anywhere near that, but it eases fragmentation conditions |
| 19:26.01 | kerio | no, i mean, why is 2g the max? |
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| 19:30.36 | kerio | busybox-power's swapon happily made two 4gb swap partitions for me |
| 19:30.39 | kerio | and maemo was happily using them |
| 19:30.48 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 19:30.55 | ShadowJK | maybe that only applies to diable then |
| 19:30.58 | ShadowJK | diablo |
| 19:31.12 | kerio | hrmpf, i repartitioned to make two 512mb ones already |
| 19:35.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you lied to me! >.< |
| 19:37.42 | ShadowJK | I've got 2G swap partition, but my script uses 1.5G as reswap threshold |
| 19:37.57 | ShadowJK | just because I sometimes go a gig over or more between me running the script |
| 19:38.30 | kerio | what do you mean you go a gig over? |
| 19:39.12 | ShadowJK | like a 3 gig written |
| 19:39.24 | FIQ | using uSD for swapping.. |
| 19:39.36 | FIQ | wouldn't that kinda kill the SD card pretty fast? |
| 19:39.37 | kerio | ShadowJK: between you running the script and what? |
| 19:39.40 | kerio | FIQ: meh, why? |
| 19:40.03 | kerio | uSDs are perfect block devices, they do their own wear levelling |
| 19:40.04 | FIQ | because swap, being "RAM" is written to/read from all the time? |
| 19:40.12 | kerio | nah, not all the time |
| 19:40.32 | ShadowJK | kerio, if script is run and written data is below threshold, it does nothing. If it's above, it does reswap. Sometimes I don't run it often enough and it's gigabyte over the threshold :P |
| 19:40.40 | kerio | oh, heh |
| 19:41.21 | ShadowJK | FIQ, well it does that to the emmc anyway by default, so even if the wearout is true (which it isn't really), isn't it smarter to move it to uSD which is replaceable instead of emmc which is not? |
| 19:41.34 | FIQ | hm |
| 19:41.36 | FIQ | True |
| 19:41.45 | FIQ | But I somehow got the idea that eMMC was more stable |
| 19:41.50 | kerio | ShadowJK: so you say i should use a big swap partition instead of a small one? |
| 19:41.50 | FIQ | Whatever :p |
| 19:42.34 | kerio | FIQ: eMMC is faster |
| 19:42.44 | ShadowJK | Well sure if you have kingstons and other shit cards it might not be as reliable |
| 19:42.56 | kerio | but the sd is barely used, emmc holds /opt |
| 19:43.03 | ShadowJK | But i've not had problems on N900 even with Transcend |
| 19:43.12 | kerio | ShadowJK: sandisk c4 32gb represent! \o/ |
| 19:43.59 | ShadowJK | emmc holds /opt, /home (with all the nasty sqlite databases), MyDocs, and swap. That makes for heavily random access i/o when the device is under load |
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| 19:45.49 | ShadowJK | uSD has the benefit of not having all that heavy access going on, so as long as there's no swap fragmentation, the swap writes are mostly sequential |
| 19:45.49 | ShadowJK | Thanks to the nokia modified swapping algorithm \o/ |
| 19:47.58 | kerio | \o/ |
| 19:48.15 | kerio | ShadowJK: srsly though, reswap often or reswap big? |
| 19:48.43 | kerio | hell, i could make a 8gb swap partition and just ignore it, i reboot often enough anyway |
| 19:49.09 | ShadowJK | The amount is always the same 128M or however much you hav sitting in swap |
| 19:49.39 | ShadowJK | I just picked 2G because I didn't want to have to do it often |
| 19:51.27 | ShadowJK | When I had 700M, I could tell the instant it went over, and if I was in the middle of something, I didn't want to close the app obviously, and if I didn't close nonessential stuff first, reswap took a long time, and the reswap process itself generated like 200-300M of writes sometimes, meaning I was already almost 50% on the way to another reswap already |
| 19:52.08 | ShadowJK | by "I could tell" I mean I could often tell by device responsiveness that it had gone over |
| 19:52.29 | ShadowJK | with 2g it's a bit more diffuse |
| 19:55.11 | kerio | meh, i'm repartitioning |
| 19:55.12 | kerio | again |
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| 20:35.28 | kerio | what the FUCK |
| 20:35.41 | kerio | hildon-application-manager 2.2.7.2 |
| 20:35.43 | kerio | apt-worker exited. |
| 20:35.46 | kerio | Password: |
| 20:36.45 | kerio | this makes no sense |
| 20:36.54 | kerio | passwordless sudo isn't supposed to even be there |
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| 20:40.00 | kerio | i mean, wtf |
| 20:42.33 | kerio | i mean, i don't complain |
| 20:42.34 | kerio | but what the hell |
| 20:45.08 | kerio | ohohoho, cssu bug! |
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| 20:57.39 | ShadowJK | oh wow |
| 20:57.56 | ShadowJK | I never measured 3g standby on spare n900 before |
| 20:58.19 | kerio | too much? too little? |
| 20:59.30 | ShadowJK | bq27200.sh with one-hour interval, manually compute consumption from NAC, hour ny hour: 7mA, 11mA, 8mA, 8mA, 10mA, 9, 8, 8, 8, 7 |
| 21:00.02 | ShadowJK | received two calls (unanswered, but vibra on, and screen prolly came on) |
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| 21:00.55 | kerio | that's very little! ^_^ |
| 21:01.12 | ShadowJK | hm, but that only works out to 6 days standby with japod battery |
| 21:01.30 | kerio | well boo hoo |
| 21:01.34 | kerio | use two scuds |
| 21:01.44 | kerio | and suspend to ram, maybe |
| 21:01.48 | kerio | although the radio is the big power draw |
| 21:02.19 | ShadowJK | well, 12 days in offline mode |
| 21:02.39 | kerio | shouldn't it be a lot more, with suspend-to-ram? |
| 21:02.49 | ShadowJK | it's like 99.99% str anyway? |
| 21:02.58 | kerio | hm |
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| 21:03.06 | kerio | good point |
| 21:03.12 | ShadowJK | I mean C4 is essentially suspend to ram |
| 21:03.17 | kerio | although not really |
| 21:03.25 | kerio | i mean, the watchdog wants something every 30 seconds or so |
| 21:03.29 | kerio | doesn't it |
| 21:03.38 | ShadowJK | i guess |
| 21:04.35 | vi__ | suspend to ram==no fone calls |
| 21:04.55 | kerio | nah, if you're not in offline mode it doesn't even work |
| 21:05.07 | kerio | because the phone keeps waking the system up |
| 21:07.30 | vi__ | wut are you even babbling on about? |
| 21:07.55 | kerio | try it |
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| 21:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: kerio is correct, unsol response (e.g. signal strength report) swill wake up OMAP all the time |
| 21:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | unsol result? |
| 21:11.47 | kerio | infobot: kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...] |
| 21:11.47 | infobot | okay, kerio |
| 21:12.03 | kerio | =D |
| 21:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | now lock it, fool! ;-P |
| 21:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or vi__ will redefine it |
| 21:12.49 | kerio | infobot: lock kerio |
| 21:12.50 | infobot | kerio: locking factoid kerio |
| 21:12.52 | kerio | :D |
| 21:12.56 | kerio | can't it be unlocked? |
| 21:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | by you, yes |
| 21:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | by me too ;-P |
| 21:13.11 | kerio | oh :c |
| 21:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | by anyone who grabs your nick |
| 21:13.28 | kerio | nickserv enforce is *on*, bitchez |
| 21:13.35 | kerio | ...at least, i think |
| 21:13.47 | kerio | yep, it is |
| 21:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help lock |
| 21:14.36 | kerio | i see |
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| 21:14.52 | kerio | oh well, Rodney has ??kerio as a redirect to ??troll |
| 21:15.09 | kerio | (nethack informations bot) |
| 21:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~abuse |
| 21:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 21:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~abuse is running a OS from Redmond on a decent hardware platform |
| 21:16.59 | infobot | ACTION smacks is running a OS from Redmond on a decent hardware platform across the face. "Take that, sucker!" |
| 21:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | FU bot! |
| 21:17.12 | kerio | haha |
| 21:17.14 | kerio | ~abuse DocScrutinizer05 |
| 21:17.14 | infobot | ACTION smacks DocScrutinizer05 across the face. "Take that, sucker!" |
| 21:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless |
| 21:17.17 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 21:17.22 | kerio | aww :( |
| 21:17.23 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 21:17.23 | infobot | kerio: thanks |
| 21:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | why tf is a CMD overriding a factoid definition? |
| 21:18.34 | kerio | infobot: lock is cheese |
| 21:18.41 | kerio | because of this ^ |
| 21:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are CMDs and commands ;-) |
| 21:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~help abuse |
| 21:19.23 | kerio | k |
| 21:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help abuse |
| 21:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help lock |
| 21:19.54 | kerio | i see |
| 21:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys abuse |
| 21:20.09 | kerio | ~abuse me |
| 21:20.09 | infobot | ACTION smacks kerio across the face. "Take that, sucker!" |
| 21:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 21:20.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys abuse |
| 21:20.27 | kerio | ...i really don't know what i was expecting |
| 21:20.37 | kerio | s/i was/was i/ |
| 21:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal cmd: abuse (.*?) |
| 21:20.43 | infobot | "cmd: abuse (.*?)" is "($hans): <action> smacks $hans across the face. "Take that, sucker!"" |
| 21:21.34 | vi__ | ~unlock kerio |
| 21:21.44 | vi__ | ~forget kerio |
| 21:21.44 | infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, vi__ |
| 21:21.44 | kerio | vi__: u mad bro |
| 21:21.51 | kerio | why so mad bro |
| 21:22.08 | vi__ | ~keri0 is a noobor |
| 21:22.08 | infobot | vi__: okay |
| 21:22.21 | vi__ | ~keri0 is a jarjar binks |
| 21:22.21 | infobot | ...but keri0 is already something else... |
| 21:22.29 | vi__ | ~forget keri0 |
| 21:22.29 | infobot | i forgot keri0, vi__ |
| 21:22.32 | vi__ | ~keri0 is a jarjar binks |
| 21:22.32 | infobot | okay, vi__ |
| 21:23.09 | vi__ | ~buttabuse kerio |
| 21:23.21 | vi__ | ~floppyabuse kerio |
| 21:23.34 | kerio | infobot: <3 |
| 21:23.34 | infobot | I love you. <3 |
| 21:23.49 | vi__ | ~rape infobot |
| 21:23.49 | infobot | ACTION takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 21:24.11 | vi__ | ~rape an alpaca |
| 21:24.11 | infobot | ACTION takes an alpaca behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 21:24.21 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@146.90.189.50] by ChanServ |
| 21:25.31 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@146.90.189.50] by ChanServ |
| 21:25.59 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: your killing all fun |
| 21:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun is an entity |
| 21:26.43 | kerio | ~fun is an entity |
| 21:26.43 | infobot | ...but fun is already something else... |
| 21:26.46 | kerio | oh, ok then |
| 21:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please stop messing with bot as well |
| 21:27.35 | kerio | k |
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| 21:43.25 | vi__ | yo fmg |
| 21:43.36 | vi__ | hows it hangin? |
| 21:43.43 | freemangordon | vi_: hi |
| 21:43.44 | vi__ | lol and lazy I trust. |
| 21:43.55 | freemangordon | yeah :) |
| 21:44.00 | vi__ | S/lol/low |
| 21:44.49 | freemangordon | vi_: and what's up? |
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| 21:47.23 | freemangordon | ~seen zeq |
| 21:47.28 | infobot | zeq <~s_j_newbu@178.110.126.62> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 5h 13m 52s ago, saying: 'kerio: probably "kernel-feature-sigmask-syscalls" would be more accurate, but I'm open to suggestions.'. |
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| 23:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin bain-defunct plasma desktop |
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