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| 01:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yoh, seems to work |
| 01:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh |
| 01:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | even conveniently shuts down backlight on re-enabling bme to charge after complete discharge ;-D |
| 01:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.session.log |
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| 01:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the very last line is BS, the learning cycle is already finished, charging now is a mere 'convenience' thing |
| 01:28.52 | nagato | Is it possible to make N900 as a live CD ? I want to put Ubuntu or etc linux on N900, to startup on computer when plugin N900 to computer with USB. |
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| 01:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nagato: should probably be possible |
| 01:50.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, or maybe not |
| 01:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900 MyDocs gets exposed as VFAT formatted mass storage, like a usual USB memory stick. However I dunno if PC needs some special formatting other than a partition with VFAT to boot from a USB memstick |
| 01:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | might need superflopy rather than a partition |
| 01:52.38 | RiD | what is the stock n900 mydocs reading speed, through usb? |
| 01:52.55 | RiD | i mean writing* sorry |
| 01:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | some 14MB/s iirc |
| 01:53.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops writing, dunno for sure |
| 01:53.32 | RiD | well, shouldn't change much i guess |
| 01:54.22 | RiD | i heard wifi was faster (at writing), is that true? I find it hard to believe lol |
| 01:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the linux on N900 does quite some buffering and caching, so yes, it might be almost same speed like reading |
| 01:55.04 | RiD | 54Mb/s are like 6MB/s |
| 01:55.33 | RiD | 6,75 actually |
| 01:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, maybe you mean N900 writing TO a USB memestick attached to h-e-n hostmode |
| 01:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | this might in fact be slow |
| 01:57.43 | RiD | oh, maybe you're right. |
| 01:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard of a terrible 4MB/s transfer speed in h-e-n |
| 01:57.54 | RiD | Fragmented memory, my brain needs to defrag |
| 01:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's true then actually accessing any storage via wifi might be faster than direct access to a storage media via h-e-n USB hostmode |
| 01:59.19 | RiD | oh wait, i think i remember now |
| 01:59.51 | RiD | it was about someone comparing copying usb memstick files to n900 |
| 01:59.59 | RiD | with wifi |
| 02:00.12 | RST38h | ...Deeds has been relaying your questions to me and taking dictation of my response - I assume that once he has done so, he is returning to the telegraph office and wiring my answers to the central offices of this World-Wide Web for distribution. |
| 02:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 02:01.17 | RiD | what did i just read |
| 02:01.38 | RiD | I'm way out of that expensive english |
| 02:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1247595&postcount=1369 |
| 02:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | calibrate-bq27k.sh ^^^ |
| 02:10.41 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: booting a VFAT requires the 0xEB boot signature on the first sector |
| 02:10.54 | jon_y | not sure if N900 can expose something like that |
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| 02:12.55 | Macer | Win8 on N900? |
| 02:14.54 | RiD | Macer: where did you read that? |
| 02:15.22 | Macer | i didn't ... jut thinking about it when someone said "boot from vfat" |
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| 02:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: actually any OS on N900, as long as PC can boot it from mass storage mode |
| 02:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I heard about users doing it |
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| 02:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody been on a BBQ party and his device been busy with installing some stuff to a PC |
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| 02:23.20 | merlin1991 | hm you'd have to call the right scripts to export mass storage prior to plugging in usb though |
| 02:23.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall other details, except it *might* have been chem|st or cetebe |
| 02:23.42 | merlin1991 | have had pretty bad results when the sate of indecision took too long |
| 02:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me mass storage gets exported already while requester still showing |
| 02:24.46 | merlin1991 | depends on what you selected the last time |
| 02:24.52 | merlin1991 | though afaik mass storage is the default |
| 02:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 02:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq 261 users |
| 02:27.03 | merlin1991 | #maemo ftw |
| 02:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | < 270 :-/ |
| 02:27.36 | merlin1991 | over @ -ssu we have 49 :/ |
| 02:27.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | weekend? |
| 02:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: you seen http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1247595&postcount=1369 ? |
| 02:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it worked fine |
| 02:28.51 | merlin1991 | now I have |
| 02:28.53 | RiD | pats DocScrutinizer05 . It's ok... It's ok... |
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| 02:29.03 | RiD | they will be back, i promise |
| 02:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though I admit I used the ineliner posted here) |
| 02:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | one-liner |
| 02:29.32 | merlin1991 | looks interesting though |
| 02:29.40 | merlin1991 | btw about battery calibration |
| 02:30.51 | merlin1991 | our "external contractor" at the office wanted to put the new ups on the servers into the system without even running a calibration run once |
| 02:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | even while CI=1 my chip was pretty accurate both in time prediction and capacity |
| 02:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: lol |
| 02:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | could use my script, eh? ;-D |
| 02:32.09 | merlin1991 | I guess we got kinda lucky that I happened to be at the office for the first time in a few weeks at exactly the right time :D |
| 02:33.21 | nagato | DocScrutinizer05: what about let computer read live CD system like ubuntu into computer memory, that will reduce the time of exchanging with N900 USB. |
| 02:33.49 | merlin1991 | nagato: we'll you'll need a proper live cd system, not everything runs out of the box from usb |
| 02:34.17 | merlin1991 | there is some slight difference between boot from usb and boot from cd (though it beats me what exactly it is) |
| 02:34.25 | nagato | merlin1991: I heard that Ubuntu can read things into memory, but not sure. |
| 02:34.48 | merlin1991 | yeah ubuntu cds work like that afaik |
| 02:35.01 | nagato | merlin1991: yes, I want to boot from N900, So I guess is boot from USB |
| 02:35.09 | merlin1991 | darkly remembers somehting about debian not working all that will with this approach |
| 02:35.24 | merlin1991 | shit |
| 02:35.42 | merlin1991 | s/somehitng/somehting/ s/will/well/ .... |
| 02:35.43 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 02:38.08 | nagato | Maybe I should create a new thread on Maemo Talk, let people contribute ideas ? |
| 02:39.38 | merlin1991 | i'd try with a ubuntu live disk first |
| 02:40.14 | merlin1991 | though in order to boot from that you'll have to have a proper boot sector on your "usb device" which might yield all sorts of difficulties for the n900 itself |
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| 02:41.01 | merlin1991 | also that might get stomped on by the g_mass_storage (or what's it called) kernel driver, but again I have no idea about the actual internals of that |
| 02:41.30 | nagato | I want to take only one N900, instead of N900 and a USB, that's why I come up with this idea. |
| 02:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess one of those helper programs to format a usb stick to hold a bootable system will 'just work' from your PC when N900 plugged in |
| 02:42.04 | nagato | DocScrutinizer05: seems possible |
| 02:42.19 | merlin1991 | wonders what $average bios actually does when "booting from usb" |
| 02:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, I think there are even usb sticks that don't work for that purpose |
| 02:42.38 | merlin1991 | on hdd / cd / dvd I have a good idea of what happens, but I have nfc about usb stuff |
| 02:43.15 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: yes, those with bad sectors (had 2 linux instalations that died this way shortly after going into use) |
| 02:43.21 | nagato | cool, I will collect more info about this. |
| 02:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.experto.de/b2b/computer/hardware/machen-sie-ihren-usb-stick-bootfaehig.html |
| 02:45.01 | merlin1991 | nagato: btw the n900 can also export the microsd card over usb as mass storage device (actually does so automatically if it's formated with an vfat partition) |
| 02:45.33 | nagato | merlin1991: I see |
| 02:45.42 | merlin1991 | and also yields all kind of funky errors on windows in case the microsd does not have vfat but something else :D |
| 02:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:46.59 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: that is a guide to use $random binary from the interwebtz to create a bootable usb device but still says nothing about the internals of what happenes |
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| 02:48.40 | merlin1991 | hm unetbootin uses syslinux in oder to get the usb drives booting |
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| 02:50.39 | merlin1991 | bah wherever google looks there are silly docs of use $x in order to achieve your goal, I just want the tech internals to see how todo it via the n900 |
| 02:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/unetbootin/wiki/howitworks |
| 02:51.13 | merlin1991 | For the Live USB creation mode, UNetbootin generates an appropriate syslinux config file in /syslinux.cfg, and makes your USB drive bootable using syslinux. |
| 02:51.18 | merlin1991 | oh sooooo much detail |
| 02:51.22 | merlin1991 | I totally know now how it works |
| 02:52.29 | LaoLang_cool | How to active mass storage mode before plugin usb wire with pc? |
| 02:52.40 | LaoLang_cool | s/plugin/connect/ |
| 02:53.01 | merlin1991 | there's a script on the system (it has mass storage in the name, but I can't recall the full name atm) |
| 02:53.05 | LaoLang_cool | And how to deactive it? |
| 02:53.36 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, in which directory? |
| 02:53.43 | merlin1991 | well other than enabling pc-suite mode or g_ether instead you can't "deactivate" it, the n900 kernel always does one of the 3 |
| 02:53.50 | merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: it's inside $PATH |
| 02:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://forum.mindfactory.de/windows/55078-tutorial-usb-stick-bootbar.html |
| 02:54.51 | LaoLang_cool | mas<tab> gets nothing :( |
| 02:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | not much but at least partition and format are there |
| 02:55.58 | merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: I think it was along the lines of enable* |
| 02:57.00 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, ena<tab> still gets nothing :( |
| 02:57.17 | merlin1991 | ah sorry, it might start with osso-enable* |
| 02:57.33 | merlin1991 | nokia naming policy for stuff inside maemo can be weird at times :D |
| 02:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: that's the one for you, no? http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/05/create-a-bootable-usb-drive-ubuntu-freedos/ |
| 02:58.44 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: this looks good: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/usb_msc_boot_1.0.pdf |
| 03:00.21 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, thank you, I found osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, after I run it, nothing happened, no any statusbar indicator or notification |
| 03:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Typ: application/binary WTF?! |
| 03:01.27 | merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: that's expected |
| 03:01.55 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: probably bad mimetypes on their apache, but it's a valid pdf |
| 03:02.13 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, hmm, how to test if it works? I still can use file manager to access my file systems |
| 03:02.45 | merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: you should be able to access any vfat partitions on your n900 from the pc now (if it's connected via usb) |
| 03:04.08 | merlin1991 | hm seems that pdf is a tic too low level |
| 03:04.30 | merlin1991 | but apparently one needs a parition flagged as bootable and a bootloader on it |
| 03:04.50 | merlin1991 | in which case I'd probably slap grub2 onto it because I know it |
| 03:05.22 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, but without running the script, I can access file system on n900 too... |
| 03:05.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems to me there are special requirements regarding naming and location of such bootloader |
| 03:06.02 | LaoLang_cool | No the difference at all, when I connect n900 with usb, a prompt of mode choice will pop up |
| 03:06.29 | merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: that always pops up, actually if you press mass storage there it just executes the script again |
| 03:07.48 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, oh, but if I can't let n900 act like a usb before connected via usb, then boot from n900 will be impossible, right? |
| 03:08.42 | merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: theoretically it should act like usb when you plug it in and executed the script beforehand |
| 03:09.21 | merlin1991 | you probably should tap outside the selection screen when it pops up though to avoid reseting anything that was already in the making |
| 03:09.42 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, no, after I launch the script, it still not work like a usb if I don't choice the mass storage mode in the pop up menu |
| 03:09.55 | merlin1991 | that's strange |
| 03:10.05 | LaoLang_cool | It will be in charging only mode |
| 03:10.23 | LaoLang_cool | I'm using cssu stable version, not sure if it's relative |
| 03:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | 05:17 4153 92 92 109 1074 1074 1074 75 65535 36 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:0 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 |
| 03:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's time to awake it from act_bricked mode ;-) |
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| 03:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's been asking yesterday how to re-establish proper bat icon function after `start bme`? I dunno, except unplug and replug USB charger |
| 03:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's some test program... lemme find it |
| 03:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *might* be able to simulate a mating round on USB |
| 03:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh sure: ke-recv-test |
| 03:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | p - enable PC Suite |
| 03:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | c - enable charging mode |
| 03:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | m - enable USB mass storage |
| 03:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe nothing for bat icon but for LaoLang_cool |
| 03:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 03:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: ^^^ |
| 03:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: ke-recv-test m |
| 03:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: and since that's finally ke-recv there might indeed be a relation to cssu, though I think cssu-stable still has original ke-recv |
| 03:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-t though has a patched version iirc |
| 03:43.14 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, I'm have something to be done, will see your reply, sorry :( |
| 03:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
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| 03:45.43 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, after run the cmd, still the same here :( |
| 03:46.00 | LaoLang_cool | oh, I run it as user, maybe I should try run as root |
| 03:46.53 | LaoLang_cool | still the same.. |
| 03:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: iirc from early hostmode R&D days, you need to rmmod a module, to stop requester from popping up. After that you can run osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh after plugging USB |
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| 03:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's NOT g_file_storage module which actually already exports mass storage afaik |
| 03:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's some g_nokia_* module |
| 03:51.22 | robbiethe1st | You mean for usb mass storage? |
| 03:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 03:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the requester |
| 03:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's one module to watch USB and pop up the requester, another module for mass storage, and a third one for phonet |
| 03:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and other PC suite mode stuff |
| 03:52.43 | robbiethe1st | Yeah. |
| 03:52.52 | robbiethe1st | g_file_storage actually does the exporting |
| 03:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make requester never come up you first need to rmmod the initial module |
| 03:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you can simulate clicking "mass storage" button in the now missing requester by running osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh |
| 03:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | logger "$0: removing g_nokia" |
| 03:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | initctl emit G_NOKIA_REMOVE |
| 03:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | (from osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh) |
| 03:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | this should remove the requester |
| 03:57.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (if you're root) |
| 03:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.05 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, wow, too advanced to me |
| 04:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: run osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh as root, it should doo all that's needed AIUI |
| 04:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: there's also osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh |
| 04:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: I just said "osso-usb-mass-storage-ensable.sh actually does what I had in mind: /sbin/rmmod g_nokia" |
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| 04:57.32 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, I mensioned before that I've tried osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, without luck :( |
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| 07:57.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: about your automatic calibration script... |
| 07:58.47 | kerio | are you sure the voltage won't drop enough to make bme shut down the phone, once it gets started again for charging? |
| 08:01.47 | LaoLang_cool | Can I control usb charging starts only when the battery level is under 30%? |
| 08:02.08 | LaoLang_cool | And stop charging when level is up to 90% |
| 08:03.03 | kerio | those percentages... |
| 08:03.13 | kerio | i do not think they mean what you think they mean |
| 08:04.44 | LaoLang_cool | kerio, can I set the usb charging behavior? I think it's always charging when connected to usb, maybe it hurts battery life in the way |
| 08:07.11 | kerio | ask ShadowJK_ |
| 08:07.19 | kerio | and/or pali |
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| 09:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 09:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, ask them! |
| 09:15.38 | LaoLang_cool | O_o |
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| 10:44.40 | jon1012 | hi |
| 10:45.04 | jon1012 | I got back my n900 from the friend I lended it, but the touchscreen doesn't work anymiore (a scratch broke it) |
| 10:45.27 | jon1012 | problem is, when I power it up, it asks for the unlock password which can't be entered with the keyboad |
| 10:45.37 | jon1012 | is there anyway to force unlock, or to unlock with keyboard at least ? |
| 10:48.51 | jacekowski | you can flash it |
| 10:49.37 | jon1012 | or can I install another linux distribution ? (maybe some kind of ubuntu or whatever) |
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| 10:50.20 | jon1012 | jacekowski: from what I've header reflashing doesn't remove the activation code |
| 10:50.24 | jon1012 | heard* |
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| 11:09.06 | kerio | it's stored in CAL |
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| 11:41.20 | ZogG_laptop | BCMM: missed you =) |
| 11:41.48 | ZogG_laptop | you more and more disappear from #maemo =) |
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| 11:43.35 | BCMM | ZogG_laptop: been on holiday |
| 11:44.11 | BCMM | that reminds me, i've got questions i've been meaning to ask -cssu |
| 11:46.14 | ZogG_laptop | i bet i dunno the answer but people here can asnwer, so ask =) |
| 11:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to /join #maemo-ssu |
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| 13:32.26 | vi__ | luke-jr: ping |
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| 13:55.39 | MrPingu | Hello |
| 13:55.55 | MrPingu | Back from 3 weeks holiday |
| 13:57.59 | MrPingu | Now I shot some videos with a gopro cam, downloaded the baseline3.0 handbrake config for playback on my N900 |
| 14:00.00 | MrPingu | Don't know much about video-conversion but I heard 2-pass encoding was better, is it really worth to encode it with 2-pass? |
| 14:00.41 | MrPingu | In terms of quality, idc about filesize and/or conversiontime |
| 14:02.44 | MrPingu | Yeah, reaver is finaly in the repos :) |
| 14:02.56 | kerio | MrPingu: all hail Pali! o/ |
| 14:03.44 | ShadowJK_ | kerio; bme behaves a bit differently with charger connected, I used to do it approximately that way, manually |
| 14:04.12 | ShadowJK_ | if bme is started with charger connected, it turns off the backlight and stuff though, which cn be confusing |
| 14:04.47 | merlin1991 | MrPingu: generally if you do a proper 2-pass encoding you can get more quality per byt |
| 14:04.49 | MrPingu | Lots of good surprises were here after my holidy, some new cssu-thumb releases, kp51 released and reaver in the repos |
| 14:04.52 | merlin1991 | s/byt/byte/ |
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| 14:06.05 | MrPingu | What avg bitrate is recommended for n900? Something about 6500 kbps? |
| 14:06.12 | ShadowJK_ | Now there is indeed some lower level, which bme with charger connected on startup will consider too low, but then it quits/aborts immediately |
| 14:06.27 | ShadowJK_ | meego ce was especially good at triggering this. |
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| 14:10.52 | LaoLang_cool | In http://wiki.maemo.org/Battery_consuming_and_memory_leaking_applications, I find that flashlight consumes battery, so any alternative way (from cli?) to enable flashlight effect? |
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| 14:13.14 | ShadowJK_ | I haven't noticed that |
| 14:14.19 | ShadowJK_ | hm |
| 14:14.27 | ShadowJK_ | has flashlight-applet |
| 14:15.33 | kerio | >flashlight consumes battery |
| 14:15.35 | kerio | you don't say? |
| 14:15.49 | kerio | :P |
| 14:16.05 | kerio | ShadowJK_: what's that lower level? |
| 14:16.08 | kerio | and how do you exit it? |
| 14:16.09 | ShadowJK_ | claims it causes ohmd to use cpu |
| 14:16.45 | ShadowJK_ | kerio; dunno, I just ported my script to meego and used that to recover. took about 7 boot-brownout cycles |
| 14:16.56 | kerio | woah |
| 14:17.15 | LaoLang_cool | flashlight is not flashlight-applet? |
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| 14:18.32 | ShadowJK_ | there's no mention of it in flashlight-applet's bugtracker either |
| 14:19.53 | kerio | unrelated: is Catorise still harmful? |
| 14:20.10 | ShadowJK_ | probably not with cssu? |
| 14:20.34 | ShadowJK_ | atleast I'd hope that hildon-desktop bug would've been fixed in cssu |
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| 14:21.34 | LaoLang_cool | anyway to get a flashlight effect? |
| 14:26.19 | MrPingu | I read on TMO (somewhere) That flashlight-extra was bad while the "normal" flashlight was just fine. Never suspected and investigated further flashlight |
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| 14:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595 bq24150 semi-automatic calibration |
| 14:48.39 | vi__ | if only the author would have released flashlight without the stupid status menu plugin thing. |
| 14:50.44 | vi__ | is there a way to disable status menu plugins? |
| 14:51.59 | vi__ | where are they located? |
| 14:52.10 | vi__ | the status menu plugins that is. |
| 14:52.38 | ShadowJK_ | there's no other interface for the flashlight app? |
| 14:52.47 | vi__ | ShadowJK_: dbus |
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| 14:54.17 | vi__ | which talks to the status menu applet. |
| 14:54.20 | vi__ | FAIL |
| 14:54.41 | vi__ | an alternative is to run: |
| 14:55.06 | vi__ | gst-launch v4l2src ! filesink location=/dev/null |
| 14:55.07 | luke-jr | vi__: pong |
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| 14:55.28 | vi__ | then to turn on LED with v412ctl |
| 14:55.47 | vi__ | then monitor dbus for the camera cover to close. |
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| 14:58.40 | vi__ | this allows for flashlight without that shitty applet. |
| 14:59.03 | ShadowJK_ | is unconviced there's any powerdraw issue anyways |
| 14:59.22 | vi__ | ShadowJK_: what do you mean powerdraw issues? |
| 14:59.29 | vi__ | with flashlight? |
| 14:59.38 | Wizzup | Has anyone here ever transferred a tar(or any file) over sms? |
| 14:59.43 | ShadowJK_ | The original claim that installing flashlight app drains battery |
| 14:59.54 | Wizzup | I want to message a friend who is currently in sweden without internet, but has a n900 which can recieve sms |
| 15:00.02 | Wizzup | I was thinking about base64 encoding a tar.xz |
| 15:01.03 | ShadowJK_ | An N900 without internet is like a car without engine. You can tow it with donkeys, but it makes you look as silly as Borat. |
| 15:01.05 | vi__ | ShadowJK_: it does cause a bunch of ectra wakeups per second however checking average power use with bq27x00 shows no higher average current drawn. |
| 15:01.15 | ShadowJK_ | why is it waking up |
| 15:01.22 | Wizzup | ShadowJK_: Still, it's a fun idea |
| 15:01.34 | vi__ | Wizzup: that would be fucking sweet. |
| 15:01.36 | Wizzup | It's only 9000 bytes |
| 15:01.48 | Wizzup | 6000, even |
| 15:02.05 | ShadowJK_ | and is it waking up at the same time as other stuff (i.e. device already awake).. |
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| 15:02.46 | ShadowJK_ | So roughly 50 sms |
| 15:03.06 | Wizzup | Yeah |
| 15:03.20 | Wizzup | I just hope sms doesn't enter extra characters |
| 15:03.32 | vi__ | ShadowJK_: as I said. It shows no extra power use in terms of ma drawn however powertop shows extra wakeups. |
| 15:04.10 | vi__ | luke-jr: ping |
| 15:04.19 | ShadowJK_ | if it's listening to dbus messages it'd show as wakeup, I think, but as dbus was awake anyway to receive that dbus message and distribute it further... |
| 15:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: flashlight-extra or whatever been the name raped dbus |
| 15:04.37 | ShadowJK_ | ? |
| 15:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had it installed, noticed all kinds of WTF?! and deinstalled it again - which I seem to recall been a pita in itself |
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| 15:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | plain flashlight app however is ok |
| 15:07.13 | ShadowJK_ | there's a plain flashlight app? |
| 15:07.30 | ShadowJK_ | has one that appears in statusmenu when cam door is opened |
| 15:07.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | err that's what I got I thought |
| 15:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep that one |
| 15:08.06 | ShadowJK_ | flashlight-applet |
| 15:08.16 | ShadowJK_ | never heard of flashlight-extra? |
| 15:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the flashlight-extra was about doing all that in a semi-autzomatic way, via accelerometer or whatever |
| 15:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I gather it polled mce or sysfs for that |
| 15:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC |
| 15:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it raped the whole phone |
| 15:09.20 | ShadowJK_ | wtf? |
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| 15:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Flashlight-Extra |
| 15:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Use camera shutter to control Flashlight |
| 15:11.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | . |
| 15:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Flashlight |
| 15:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Allows you to use flash LEDs as a flashlight. |
| 15:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I - thanks S.Freud - forgot details *why* flashlight-extra is EVIL |
| 15:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the description alone makes no sense: either camera or flashlight kicks in when camera lens cover closed(!!) ?? WTF?! |
| 15:15.48 | luke-jr | vi__: pong |
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| 15:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh http://thecodecentral.com/flashlight-extra-for-maemo-nokia-n900, so I wonder what was so damn fsckdup with this silly useful little thing |
| 15:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Marcus October 28, 2010 8:20 am This program drains my battery This was difficult to trace. Apparently the /etc/event.d/flashlight-extra script is started every 2 seconds. Could there possibly be some wrong registration? Btw: Deinstalling solved the thing |
| 15:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Mike December 6, 2010 5:26 pm I don't know about pr1.2, but this does not play nice with pr1.3, including with Titan's power kernel. Upon installation, it worked but I noticed everything became real laggy. CPU util went way up. On de-installation the system was somewhat more responsive but CPU is still high: it has apparently done something to make ohmd eat cycles which persists between reboots. I'm trying to fix this and there are |
| 15:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | seversl TMO threads on the subject. This is a nice app, but you guys really need to fix this major bug! |
| 15:23.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so doc's advice: don't touch it, it's been a PITA to fix |
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| 15:24.09 | narcos | sed on busybox doesn't have the -u flag (unbuffered) |
| 15:24.10 | jonwil | obvious question is to examine what it does and see why what its doing causes the bad things to happen |
| 15:24.25 | narcos | Any ideas if I can update sed easily, or another way to make it unbuffered? |
| 15:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: why you need unbuffered? anyway get gnu-sed |
| 15:25.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 15:25.17 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 15:26.31 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: I need unbuffered output because my script is infinite. |
| 15:26.44 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Can I get gnu-sed for busybox...? |
| 15:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | err no |
| 15:27.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such thing since busybox is monolitic |
| 15:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sed-gnu |
| 15:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install sed-gnu |
| 15:28.45 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Gotcha, installed |
| 15:29.28 | narcos | Hmm |
| 15:29.44 | narcos | Should that replace my existing sed, or create a new binary sed-gnu? |
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| 15:29.52 | narcos | ('cos neither seem to have happened) |
| 15:30.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? invoke as gsed or /usr/bin/gnu/sed |
| 15:31.02 | narcos | Ah, yeah, just found it with dpkg -L |
| 15:31.07 | narcos | And it has the -u flag, awesome. |
| 15:31.11 | narcos | Thank you DocScrutinizer |
| 15:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 15:33.04 | narcos | Epic, script works lovely now. |
| 15:33.34 | kerio | yay messybox removal |
| 15:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: or - better - set your path appropriately |
| 15:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | see: |
| 15:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 15:33.48 | infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 15:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | which does that for bash |
| 15:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | */gnu/* overriding */* |
| 15:34.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's no mention of sed-gnu |
| 15:34.44 | narcos | ah nice |
| 15:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, kerio. nobody removes messybox |
| 15:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: there's also no mention of rice crackers |
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| 15:38.29 | kerio | is /usr/bin/gnu optified? |
| 15:38.45 | kerio | i mean, the stuff that ends up there |
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| 15:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik not |
| 15:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme check |
| 15:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | all optified, except 3 or 4 binaries |
| 15:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually did that test like a week before |
| 15:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmp diff diff3 rgrep sdiff updatedb |
| 15:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | 43 Mar 19 2010 rgrep |
| 15:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so forget that 43byte thingie |
| 15:55.03 | kerio | how much does a symlink weigh? |
| 15:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | 6 |
| 15:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jul 26 2010 md5sum.textutils -> md5sum |
| 15:56.25 | kerio | "/opt/grep/rgrep" is longer than 6 characters |
| 15:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # file /usr/bin/gnu/rgrep |
| 15:57.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gnu/rgrep: Bourne shell script text executable |
| 15:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | will eat a whole block anyway |
| 15:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if 6 or 43 or 200 |
| 15:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless ubi is special here |
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| 15:59.39 | kerio | ubi is a way of dealing with flash memory |
| 15:59.47 | kerio | ubifs is a fs that works on ubi |
| 15:59.50 | kerio | and yes, it's "special" |
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| 16:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are a number of "special" fs: some store very small data chunks to the inode directly, thus not eating _any_ additional disk space |
| 16:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | others like reiserfs do basically not use blocks at all |
| 16:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ubifs does some compression |
| 16:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I couldn't care less |
| 16:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...looking at that 43 byte scriptie called egrep |
| 16:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | rgrep even |
| 16:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | #!/bin/sh |
| 16:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | exec /usr/bin/gnu/grep -r "$@" |
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| 18:07.10 | nox- | http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/nokia-closes-australian-development-office-20120803-23kc4.html |
| 18:07.49 | Gh0sty | in a couple of months |
| 18:07.55 | Gh0sty | nokia closes its books! |
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| 18:11.35 | RST38h | "They will become popular when we get away from the word insects and use something like mini-livestock" |
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| 18:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | 400g mini-livestock fried, with potatoes, please |
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