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| 04:48.10 | ShadowJK | Estel_, completed a few tests. Chargerate 1250 vs 950 results a few months ago. Difference in chargetime 1250mA: 2 hours 12 minutes, 950mA: 2 hours 17 minutes |
| 04:48.13 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 04:48.17 | ShadowJK | redoing 950 |
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| 06:09.08 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: 23:12 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: what's with zeq's device? |
| 06:10.36 | vi__ | read [call to arms!] post on tmo. check your TMO PMs. Paypal me that 20 euro. I am hoping to pick it up this friday, probably mail it saturday. |
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| 07:52.26 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
| 07:52.31 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: ping |
| 07:52.37 | vi_ | doc|home: ping |
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| 07:55.31 | doc|home | vi_: ? |
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| 07:57.38 | vi_ | doc|home: Guten tag! |
| 07:57.49 | vi_ | Did you read the thread [call to arms!]? |
| 07:57.56 | vi_ | and your PMs? |
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| 07:58.56 | doc|home | vi_: I think you have me confused with someone else |
| 08:00.17 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer? |
| 08:00.47 | kerio | haha |
| 08:01.05 | vi_ | doc|home!=docScrutinizer? |
| 08:01.22 | vi_ | I understand. |
| 08:01.28 | vi_ | Please carry on with your day. |
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| 08:14.35 | jonwil | doubts that there is anyone out there who can figure out this sim related stuff I have been trying to figure out (function calls in libconnui-cell which lead to dbus messages which lead to ISI messages) :'( |
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| 08:24.29 | qwazix | vi_: how did it go? recieved all the pledges yet? |
| 08:25.10 | qwazix | s/recieved/received/ |
| 08:25.58 | qwazix | ~botsnack |
| 08:25.58 | infobot | qwazix: thanks |
| 08:31.29 | vi_ | jonwil: If anyone can, it is you! |
| 08:31.37 | vi_ | I believe in jonwil! |
| 08:31.51 | vi_ | The reverser we need. |
| 08:31.53 | jonwil | I have run out of options |
| 08:32.01 | vi_ | But not the reverser we deserve :( |
| 08:32.11 | jonwil | I have tried every trick in the book |
| 08:32.16 | vi_ | qwazix: There is still one pledge to be paid. |
| 08:32.27 | vi_ | I am hoping to pick it up tomorrow. |
| 08:32.34 | vi_ | Then mail it on saturday. |
| 08:32.40 | vi_ | zeq: ping |
| 08:32.43 | jonwil | the problem stems from not knowing what the cellular modem passes back to userspace as part of these messages |
| 08:33.15 | vi_ | qwazix: You asked yesterday about smart reflex. |
| 08:33.40 | vi_ | specifically how to permanently turn it on. |
| 08:34.08 | qwazix | vi_: nice, if it doesn't come through, I can chip in up to 20 |
| 08:34.15 | vi_ | cheers bro! |
| 08:34.35 | qwazix | about sr, I modified pmconfig |
| 08:34.36 | vi_ | qwazix: The best way to turn on SR is to edit /etc/pmconfig |
| 08:35.23 | qwazix | yep, I asked because there was a seperate entry for kernel power in the wiki without instructions |
| 08:36.10 | qwazix | maybe I should delete that? It's confusing and not very helpful anyway |
| 08:36.19 | vi_ | qwazix: link please. |
| 08:36.25 | qwazix | w8 |
| 08:37.19 | qwazix | http://wiki.maemo.org/Smartreflex#Terminal |
| 08:38.26 | vi_ | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461703/Whale-survives-harpoon-attack-130-years-ago-worlds-oldest-mammal.html |
| 08:39.17 | vi_ | ...I wrote that article. |
| 08:39.33 | vi_ | It explains in very simple terms at least 3 ways of enabling smart reflex. |
| 08:39.41 | vi_ | It also explains what SR is. |
| 08:40.00 | jacekowski | does it explain how to fix it |
| 08:40.02 | vi_ | No, 4 ways. |
| 08:40.10 | vi_ | jacekowski: Hah hah! |
| 08:40.44 | qwazix | I am talking about the line "Assuming you are using Kernel Power the instruction for use are:- " |
| 08:41.09 | vi_ | I did not write that bit. |
| 08:41.11 | qwazix | and there is a link to a page where smartreflex is not mentioned at all |
| 08:41.17 | vi_ | I thought it was ass as well. |
| 08:41.31 | qwazix | That is what I propose we should delete |
| 08:42.43 | zeq | vi_: pong |
| 08:43.13 | freemangordon | jacekowski: what needs to be fixed in smartreflex in KP/KCSSU? Is there any bug I am not aware of? |
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| 08:46.26 | freemangordon | qwazix: vi_: are you going to update wiki article about OC/SR? |
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| 08:48.18 | qwazix | freemangordon: If vi agrees I can remove that unhelpful line |
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| 08:49.47 | freemangordon | it will be good if someone updates both that and KP documentation, esp the deprecated profiles |
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| 08:50.04 | LaoLang_cool | Hi, how to copy a conversation? |
| 08:50.24 | freemangordon | push-n-hold |
| 08:50.39 | freemangordon | iirc |
| 08:51.26 | qwazix | freemangordon: I'm not an overclocker so I'd better not mess with the profiles. Other than removing the line I mentioned above what else should be modified re SR |
| 08:51.34 | vi_ | zeq: Can you email me your postal address please? |
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| 08:53.01 | freemangordon | qwazix: lemme check |
| 08:53.07 | vi_ | freemangordon: It is a tough on. The whole power kernel/overclock/SR articles need an overhaul. |
| 08:53.18 | freemangordon | vi_: yes, i know |
| 08:53.30 | vi_ | freemangordon: I wrote that article on SR, however it has been edited to include faggotry. |
| 08:54.01 | qwazix | I'm tempted to create a crawler in php that tries to retrieve mail addresses circumventing every new creative snti-spam method I encounter |
| 08:54.05 | freemangordon | qwazix: "Using the stock Nokia kernel it can only be activated up to 805MHz at most" is incorrect |
| 08:54.23 | freemangordon | not to say bullshit |
| 08:54.43 | freemangordon | first of all you cannot clock stock kernel to 805 |
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| 08:55.00 | qwazix | haha ofcourse... |
| 08:55.02 | zeq | vi_: done |
| 08:55.03 | freemangordon | and SR is supported in driver up to 600 |
| 08:55.07 | zeq | :D |
| 08:55.08 | qwazix | hadn't noticed |
| 08:55.30 | vi_ | zeq: cheers zeq. |
| 08:55.57 | vi_ | freemangordon: 'Traditionally' It would only work up to around 805MHz on stock nokia kernel. |
| 08:56.07 | vi_ | For some people, lower for others. |
| 08:56.24 | vi_ | 805MHz was the value reported by kernel-config. |
| 08:56.24 | freemangordon | vi_: how the fuck you run stock @ 805? |
| 08:56.31 | qwazix | freemangordon: ok I'll reread and edit out any obvious bs |
| 08:56.34 | vi_ | Very good point. |
| 08:56.41 | vi_ | DERP |
| 08:57.07 | vi_ | What it actually should say is prior to you fixing the driver, it would work upto 805MHz. |
| 08:57.20 | vi_ | WITH PK. |
| 08:57.46 | freemangordon | also even for KP, the range it is rock-stable is 125-600, you are not guaranteed above that |
| 08:58.00 | freemangordon | if DSP is OC that is |
| 08:58.40 | freemangordon | if DSP is not OC, you should be ok for the rang 125-900 |
| 08:58.51 | qwazix | freemangordon: in whick kp version was the driver fixed? |
| 08:58.53 | freemangordon | *range |
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| 08:59.24 | freemangordon | qwazix: 49 or 50 iirc, but let it be 50, just in case |
| 08:59.32 | freemangordon | anyway you cannot install 49 from extras |
| 09:00.08 | qwazix | kk, but due to pre-palis' uboot situation many dualbooters are on old kp's |
| 09:00.42 | freemangordon | ok, lemme check |
| 09:00.48 | qwazix | too much hassle to build combined images and flash each time a new kp is out |
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| 09:02.04 | freemangordon | qwazix: it is 50, 49 is not guaranteed to be stable. from KP50 changelog "* efuse calibrations are re-calculated - using linear approximation instead of hard-coded increments" |
| 09:02.29 | qwazix | freemangordon: ok, going to edit now |
| 09:02.38 | freemangordon | thanks a lot |
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| 09:03.22 | qwazix | btw, you have raised the bar for fennec yourselves pretty high, thumb microb is ultra-fast |
| 09:03.33 | freemangordon | qwazix: I know :D |
| 09:03.47 | freemangordon | but that is a good think after all |
| 09:03.57 | freemangordon | thing even |
| 09:04.20 | jonwil | wishes the microb UI was open, I bet thumb microb-UI would be even better :P |
| 09:04.50 | freemangordon | qwazix: re SR wiki: that GUI at the end, does it work? |
| 09:05.45 | freemangordon | with new clocking scheme? anyone tried it? QCPUFreq that is |
| 09:07.03 | qwazix | freemangordon: no idea, I can give it a try, but how would I know if it actually worked? |
| 09:07.42 | qwazix | [on stock nokia kernel] it has been reported to be unstable on some devices |
| 09:07.54 | qwazix | is the above statement correct? |
| 09:07.56 | freemangordon | well, my point was that we ether know it works and recommend it or remove it from wiki article ;) |
| 09:08.20 | qwazix | let me install qcpufreq and see |
| 09:08.44 | freemangordon | vi_: is that you that wrote the recommended GUI (QCPUFreq) in wiki article for SR? |
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| 09:11.27 | qwazix | freemangordon, it seems to work |
| 09:11.30 | qwazix | cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp |
| 09:11.38 | qwazix | 1 |
| 09:11.49 | qwazix | then changed it through gui |
| 09:11.53 | luca_ | freemangordon: hey, I want to try out the thumb cssu, is it supposed to be safe to do it in a non-clean, just flashed, device? I've seen a lot of people in the thread that said they flashed the device before doing it, which makes me wonder |
| 09:12.02 | qwazix | and cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp outputted 0 |
| 09:13.10 | freemangordon | luca_: should be ok, last time i flashed my primary phone was half an year ago. And I am using -thumb on it as you may imagine :) |
| 09:13.12 | kerio | luca_: it is, but make a full backup with backupmenu anyway |
| 09:13.36 | freemangordon | qwazix: well, ok, leave it that way then |
| 09:13.38 | qwazix | but if you enable it back it turns only vdd1 on which I remember to be true |
| 09:13.55 | freemangordon | luca_: but please, use HAM |
| 09:13.58 | luca_ | kerio: yeah, doing so right now |
| 09:14.16 | freemangordon | qwazix: aah, so it is not the correct GUI then, better remve it |
| 09:14.28 | luca_ | freemangordon: yeah, I read your several posts praying the users to use it :D |
| 09:15.31 | vi_ | freemangordon: No, I did not add the bit about qcpufreq. |
| 09:15.45 | freemangordon | qwazix: leaving some note "several guis exist, edit here if you know the one that works for both VDD1 and VDD2" |
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| 09:17.01 | freemangordon | luca_: yeah, but me begging them does not seem to help, as there are still "gurus" like kerio using apt-get :P |
| 09:17.11 | vi_ | qwazix: TY qwaz |
| 09:17.29 | kerio | fu |
| 09:17.30 | kerio | :c |
| 09:17.48 | qwazix | see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1157835&postcount=180 |
| 09:17.57 | kerio | HAM takes **12 minutes** to start working, for me |
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| 09:19.48 | freemangordon | kerio: I don't care if it takes not 12 but 24 minutes, this is how it should be done. And I can bet you can just leave it in background while doing other things with your device |
| 09:20.36 | kerio | no, because it's 12 minutes of 100% cpu |
| 09:21.00 | luca_ | btw, I think I already commented this problem here, but I didn't get a good answer and google and some DD friends couldn't help me either, so here is it again: |
| 09:21.09 | vi_ | kerio: OH GAWD. YOU WILL HAVE TO FIND SOMTHING THAT IS NOT YOUR N900 TO DO FOR 12 MINUTES. |
| 09:21.10 | kerio | free |
| 09:21.12 | kerio | er |
| 09:21.14 | vi_ | FML |
| 09:21.23 | luca_ | I'm uploading my first maemo app and I'm getting an error in the builder but just for i386 |
| 09:21.30 | kerio | freemangordon: besides, apt works fine for me |
| 09:21.54 | kerio | and for a long time i had been just using thumb2 binaries without the mp |
| 09:21.58 | vi_ | kerio: Then you have no recourse when we rip on you when your device is broken. |
| 09:22.03 | luca_ | dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory |
| 09:22.09 | vi_ | If you use apt, your IRC warrenty is broken. |
| 09:22.23 | luca_ | debian/files is not included in the repo, as the debian mantainers guide mandates |
| 09:22.59 | luca_ | and when building on armel, the file is properly generated by dpkg-genchanges |
| 09:23.09 | luca_ | why could this be not working for i386? |
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| 09:23.26 | luca_ | (I never tried to build my package for i386) |
| 09:24.40 | freemangordon | luca_: try it then, just switch the target |
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| 09:25.03 | freemangordon | is afk for a while |
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| 09:30.38 | luca_ | freemangordon: change the target where? |
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| 09:34.50 | freemangordon | luca_: in scratchbox |
| 09:34.53 | luca_ | freemangordon: but if dpkg-genchanges don't generate the debian/files file I'm screwed, what can I do about it? :S |
| 09:35.26 | freemangordon | expects luca_ is using scratchbox |
| 09:36.05 | freemangordon | luca_: run "sb-menu" and select FREMANTLE_X86 target |
| 09:36.09 | luca_ | freemangordon: I am, but I setted it up a long time ago and don't remember how to change the arch, I'll refresh my memory :) |
| 09:36.24 | luca_ | freemangordon: ok, that was easier than start googleing :P |
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| 09:38.20 | luca_ | ok, it wasn't *that* easy, is asking a lot of stuff and ask me to install some rootstrap |
| 09:38.35 | freemangordon | what? |
| 09:38.51 | freemangordon | no, don't do that |
| 09:39.03 | freemangordon | use "select target" from the menu |
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| 09:39.22 | luca_ | yeah, I think I selected the wrong option, setup instead of select |
| 09:39.32 | luca_ | I switched now, building |
| 09:39.36 | freemangordon | :) |
| 09:39.43 | freemangordon | is afk |
| 09:42.02 | luca_ | worked locally (dpkg-buidpackage |
| 09:42.04 | luca_ | ) |
| 09:43.06 | luca_ | how can I convince the builder that this should work? :P |
| 09:43.14 | luca_ | and why is i386 being built at all? |
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| 09:47.23 | qwazix | freemangordon, vi_, please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Smartreflex |
| 09:51.14 | teotwaki | fuck fuck fuck a doodle doo. |
| 09:51.35 | teotwaki | Why is it that the best libraries are bloody GPL, or 10 grant. |
| 09:51.43 | teotwaki | s/ant/and/ |
| 09:52.35 | teotwaki | is seriously considering hacking a GPL-circumvention mechanism into his project. |
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| 09:52.46 | jonwil | what library do you need? |
| 09:52.52 | teotwaki | ODB> |
| 09:52.59 | teotwaki | s/>// |
| 09:55.24 | qwazix | gtg, low battery |
| 09:55.40 | teotwaki | My project is a C++ application server, which is defined by the modules it loads. By default, it doesn't provide anything, except for the ability to load components. |
| 09:56.41 | teotwaki | I think that I'm going to add the feature that if the module that is being loaded is GPL, it is spawned into its own process/context (or sent to the GPL-enabled context for loading). IPC is done over ZMQ, so there is no tainting involved. |
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| 09:59.28 | luca_ | freemangordon: ok, I'll start the update, I have installed KP 51r1 but uname just says 2.6.28.10-power51, is that ok or even when I have installed the r1 kernel is not the one being booted? |
| 09:59.56 | luca_ | I guess from the date in uname (Jul 23) it is r1 |
| 10:01.47 | jonwil | wonders if there is anyone in the community that understands netlink or libnl |
| 10:02.07 | jonwil | wonders if there is anyone in the community who has any interest in rewriting the wl1251 driver to not use netlink |
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| 10:19.17 | luca_ | freemangordon: I'm upgrading from the stable cssu and I don't see any Community SSU icon on the applications menu, is that ok? |
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| 10:42.16 | luca_ | kerio: maybe you know? should I proceed with the update even if the Community SSU icon is not present in the applications menu? |
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| 11:13.20 | luca_ | freemangordon: ping? |
| 11:18.45 | jonwil | ok, I am going to go out and buy some supplies for tonights all-night Maemo hacking and IRC-chatting session, I need some caffeine for this task :) |
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| 11:27.00 | narcos | Hi all - what's the best way to go about installing rsync on my n900? |
| 11:27.08 | narcos | (given it's rooted etc) |
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| 11:27.21 | narcos | I found this - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rsync/ |
| 11:27.27 | narcos | But I'm unsure of what to do with that file |
| 11:27.41 | narcos | I figure I should be looking for a .deb? |
| 11:28.11 | LaoLang_cool | How big does size of maemo source have? |
| 11:32.02 | vi_ | narcos: It should be available from the repositories. |
| 11:32.06 | vi_ | Just apt-get it. |
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| 11:34.04 | narcos | vi_: Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install rsync |
| 11:34.04 | narcos | E: Couldn't find package rsync |
| 11:34.18 | narcos | vi_: Where do I see a list of repos configured for my device? |
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| 11:36.18 | narcos | vi_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ka8HvGLF |
| 11:36.33 | narcos | (or anyone else who feels like helping :) ) |
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| 11:40.06 | narcos | I see rsync listed in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages |
| 11:40.39 | narcos | and according to my paste of repos above I think that should be included....? |
| 11:42.25 | narcos | I guess I could dpkg install http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/r/rsync/rsync_3.0.4-3maemo3_armel.deb |
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| 11:49.10 | narcos | Hmm |
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| 11:58.39 | narcos | My friend with an N900 can apt-get install rsync. WTF have I done to mine. |
| 11:59.46 | narcos | After doing a dpkg -i of the above .deb file, and trying rsync, I get the error: |
| 11:59.47 | narcos | sh: rsync: not found |
| 11:59.48 | narcos | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender] |
| 11:59.48 | narcos | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(632) [sender=3.0.4] |
| 12:00.04 | narcos | (but I can ssh to the box I want to rsync to) |
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| 12:03.42 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/02/interdigital_nokia_patent_spat_revived/ <-- hmm |
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| 12:05.59 | narcos | Hmm - when I start the GUI package manager and select 'Download' I get the error "Application list partially refreshed. Some catalogues unavailable. Check catalogue details" |
| 12:07.19 | jonwil | ok, caffeine acquired. Time to start on my all-night Maemo-hacking-and-IRC-chatting session |
| 12:08.44 | freemangordon | :) |
| 12:11.58 | vi_ | narcos: 1. install fapman |
| 12:12.15 | vi_ | narcos: 2. Enable 'extras repository' (google it) |
| 12:12.49 | vi_ | narcos: 3. start fapman, install rsync |
| 12:13.40 | narcos | vi_: I think I already have the extras repo - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ka8HvGLF |
| 12:14.05 | narcos | So, it seems I can't apt-get install anything |
| 12:15.03 | vi_ | what is the result of apt-cache search rsync? |
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| 12:16.25 | vi_ | Possibly rsync is in extras-devel |
| 12:16.39 | vi_ | enable extras-devel and try apt-get install rsyn again. |
| 12:16.40 | jonwil | hmmm, now I gotta decide what which N900 thing to work on next |
| 12:16.52 | narcos | vi_: No results for apt-cache search rsync |
| 12:17.08 | vi_ | narcos: enable extras-devel |
| 12:17.33 | freemangordon | jonwil: recently I started to RE vkbrenderer.so |
| 12:17.52 | vi_ | munch crunch |
| 12:18.18 | jonwil | anything interesting? |
| 12:18.55 | freemangordon | jonwil: there is x86 version in SB, hexrays decompiled looks possible to RE |
| 12:19.08 | jonwil | yes that I know |
| 12:19.18 | freemangordon | though I didn't get much further, lack of time, you know |
| 12:19.52 | jonwil | ok |
| 12:20.03 | freemangordon | nothing new actually. |
| 12:21.03 | narcos | vi_: I'm Googling but not finding - how I do I go about adding extras-devel? |
| 12:22.44 | kerio | luca_: no, i started from a cssu-testing install |
| 12:25.40 | vi_ | narcos: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
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| 12:27.47 | jonwil | Thinking about whether to do wl1251 stuff, icd-wlan stuff, systemui stuff or something else... |
| 12:28.58 | kerio | jonwil: yes! |
| 12:29.25 | jonwil | not sure which of those items I should do... |
| 12:29.37 | narcos | vi_: Hmm, running and 'apt-get update' seems to have sorted everything out. |
| 12:29.38 | vi_ | jonwil: systemui |
| 12:30.01 | vi_ | nobody seems to have any clue how that works. |
| 12:30.16 | vi_ | narcos: good |
| 12:30.20 | narcos | i.e. I can how apt-get install rsync (without adding the extras devel) |
| 12:30.20 | jonwil | hmmm, well I did document parts of the systemui for the touchscreen/keypad lock |
| 12:30.26 | jonwil | i.e. the side flick button |
| 12:30.38 | jonwil | not sure where I can go from there |
| 12:31.14 | vi_ | hmmmm |
| 12:31.27 | vi_ | perhaps you could hack the gibson? |
| 12:31.32 | jonwil | :P |
| 12:31.57 | vi_ | or somthing a little larger maybe? |
| 12:32.02 | vi_ | The planet for example. |
| 12:33.20 | jonwil | I was planning to do N900 stuff only :P |
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| 12:35.59 | jonwil | ok, so what N900 work should I do then? :P |
| 12:36.42 | freemangordon | jonwil: mce? :P |
| 12:37.44 | jonwil | I already gave up on MCE |
| 12:37.47 | jonwil | its too complex :P |
| 12:38.05 | jonwil | I could do wl1251 stuff or icd-wlan stuff or connectivity |
| 12:38.09 | jonwil | connectivity UI stuff |
| 12:38.44 | freemangordon | wwll, why not, after all no matter what it is, it is one less closed source piece |
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| 12:42.44 | groszek | hi. is there any working sharing plugin for imgur (or other good image hosting)? the obvious one http://maemo.org/packages/view/imgur/ always fails to upload ... |
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| 13:06.04 | c3sso | hello |
| 13:06.54 | c3sso | I am trying to copy root filesystem to mmc |
| 13:07.31 | c3sso | anyone here to guide me trough? |
| 13:08.25 | c3sso | I followed http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=444600&postcount=45 from fanoush, but ot won't boot up.. |
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| 13:35.00 | c3sso | hello, am trying to copy root filesystem to mmc, according to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=444600&postcount=45 |
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| 13:35.22 | c3sso | anyone has experience with that? |
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| 13:36.29 | kerio | ~m32g |
| 13:36.32 | kerio | no, wait |
| 13:36.37 | kerio | ~m32gb |
| 13:36.37 | infobot | i guess m32gb is https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_M32GB |
| 13:36.43 | kerio | ^ that |
| 13:36.49 | kerio | also bug Pali for details |
| 13:38.31 | Pali | c3sso, see M32GB |
| 13:38.54 | Pali | copy files from bzr repository to n900 |
| 13:39.25 | c3sso | ok |
| 13:39.27 | kerio | Pali: can i untar a backupmenu backup instead of copying stuff? |
| 13:39.52 | Pali | and call ./M32GBinit.sh and then ./M32GBboot.sh |
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| 13:40.06 | kerio | Pali: it kinda sucks that you have to make sure to always boot on the secondary bootmenu entry, though |
| 13:40.08 | Pali | kerio, I do not know what backupmenu doing... |
| 13:40.16 | kerio | Pali: just tar |
| 13:40.20 | kerio | :) |
| 13:40.44 | c3sso | ok, I will try, thx |
| 13:40.47 | kerio | rootfs in a file, optfs in another |
| 13:42.08 | kerio | Pali: do you reckon there's a way to simply move /usr/ away from the rootfs, instead of having to boot the whole system from mmc? |
| 13:42.33 | Pali | /usr/ must be on rootfs |
| 13:42.41 | kerio | why? :c |
| 13:42.52 | Pali | because maemo use udev too |
| 13:43.04 | Pali | udev needs /usr/lib mounted |
| 13:43.54 | kerio | you don't need udev to mount /usr/ |
| 13:44.09 | Pali | but you need udev in maemo |
| 13:44.11 | kerio | you just need the device file for mmcblk0p1 |
| 13:44.23 | Pali | without udev maemo is not working |
| 13:44.29 | kerio | Pali: sure, so launch it after you mount /usr/ |
| 13:44.33 | Pali | and without /usr/lib udev is not working |
| 13:44.36 | kerio | i mean, i realize that it has to be done *really* ealry |
| 13:44.37 | kerio | early |
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| 13:45.16 | kerio | Pali: the thing is, the whole root on emmc requires a lot of changes in the boot process |
| 13:45.39 | Pali | you can move maemo to eMMC/SD card, then patch kernel to boot from mmcblkX and you will not use mtd rootfs |
| 13:45.39 | kerio | you need to boot with a different bootmenu entry, for instance |
| 13:46.25 | c3sso | my sdcard is 2x 4gb ext2 partitions, is that ok? |
| 13:47.06 | kerio | Pali: meh, maemo sucks :c |
| 13:47.35 | Pali | c3sso, that scripts copy maemo system to /home/maemo5 |
| 13:47.41 | Pali | to eMMC not to SD card |
| 13:47.59 | Pali | but you can modify it for SD card |
| 13:48.39 | Pali | you need to patch genfstab (that which generate /etc/fstab) to have some /home and /opt entires |
| 13:48.58 | kerio | Pali: can't you use a different /home and /opt? |
| 13:49.01 | kerio | (and copy those too, ofc) |
| 13:49.03 | Pali | and you need to patch rcS-late to not try rootfs / opt / home from eMMC |
| 13:49.28 | Pali | I do not remember what was needed to patch |
| 13:49.40 | Pali | but M32GB scripts for eMMC working |
| 13:51.15 | kerio | Pali: by the way, your script doesn't disable the various optifications |
| 13:51.17 | kerio | is that intended? |
| 13:51.23 | kerio | (apart from the libraries) |
| 13:51.40 | Pali | it copy also /opt it is ok |
| 13:51.51 | Pali | it mount bind /opt |
| 13:52.33 | kerio | Pali: if i wanted to do something like that, i'd keep the systems completely separate, actually |
| 13:52.58 | kerio | so maemo5/home and maemo5/opt would just be directories |
| 13:56.20 | Pali | ther is mount bind /home/opt /opt |
| 13:56.33 | kerio | Pali: yeah |
| 13:56.49 | kerio | but if i decided to put the rootfs on emmc, i wouldn't enable that |
| 13:56.52 | kerio | i would make my own /opt |
| 13:56.58 | kerio | i mean, a new /opt |
| 13:57.00 | kerio | and a new /home too |
| 13:57.28 | kerio | so the original system would be left untouched, apart from kernel modules and bootmenu+bootmenu entries |
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| 13:57.47 | kerio | so there would be no confusion if i accidentally booted off the standard system |
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| 13:59.19 | c3sso | as long as my n900 works again - my flash memory is corrupted... |
| 13:59.51 | c3sso | but I am now using the n900 of a friend to get a working rootfs |
| 14:00.12 | c3sso | now I wanted to copy that to sd |
| 14:00.36 | c3sso | but internal eMMC is ok, too |
| 14:01.18 | c3sso | can I just copy over /home/maemo5? |
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| 14:01.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | keep in mind there's some weird limitation of number of partitions kernel can handle on mmc |
| 14:01.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's the same amount of partitions |
| 14:02.04 | kerio | c3sso: sure, how are you accessing the emmc? |
| 14:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | total number of partitions I guess that is |
| 14:02.15 | kerio | bootmenu has usb mass storage support i think |
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| 14:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the mmc driver has to detect *all* partitions on a mmc, so you could mount mmcblk1p14 which you actually can't afaik |
| 14:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think 8 partitions is max |
| 14:04.15 | c3sso | I can boot my n900 when I reflash it, so I can get the /home/maemo from the one of my friend via network I suppose |
| 14:04.37 | kerio | ...so why do you think the flash memory is corrupted? |
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| 14:05.59 | c3sso | I get io errors, afer second boot, the icons are gone etc |
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| 14:08.16 | kerio | eeew :( |
| 14:08.20 | kerio | sorry for you |
| 14:08.32 | kerio | anyway, if you have a properly working n900, use that as the basis of your new system |
| 14:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn reconnects |
| 14:08.40 | kerio | i would use backupmenu, anyway |
| 14:08.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: <c3sso> I get io errors, afer second boot, the icons are gone etc |
| 14:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah that one |
| 14:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I remember |
| 14:09.22 | kerio | c3sso: you're assuming that the emmc works fine |
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| 14:10.42 | c3sso | well, it seems so, at least I could to my backups |
| 14:10.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard of a few broken/borked eMMC, never heard of a broken NAND so far |
| 14:11.16 | c3sso | well I also did not find much |
| 14:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw what became of our deliberate unvoluntary NANDtester guinea pig? |
| 14:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | he ever came back reporting if CAL can get restored? |
| 14:13.08 | c3sso | having everything on sd card would be the way I wanted to go... but fanoush's method did not work out, it simply did not boot... |
| 14:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you basically can't boot from uSD card (afaik) you at very least need a uBoot in /dev/mtd0 |
| 14:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel partition of NAND |
| 14:14.42 | c3sso | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.56 | c3sso | with bootmenu .. |
| 14:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | so from there you could switch to uSD aka mmcblk0(!) and fetch kernel and rootfs from there |
| 14:15.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | bootmenu runs in maemo rootfs userland |
| 14:16.07 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: ! |
| 14:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | it gets invoked *after* kernel got loaded and init started and /sbin/preinit executed |
| 14:16.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ??? |
| 14:18.20 | c3sso | oh well .. It seems I am a bit undereducated in kernel and boot issues... |
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| 14:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | c3sso: that's what I thought as well, from your descriptions (no offense intended) |
| 14:22.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I'm terribly in a hurry, but nevertheless I suggest you get help here from experienced users like vi_ jacekowski ShadowJK etc, and you re-evaluate your problem first, only THEN project a solution |
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| 14:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly to me that (breaks on second boot) sounds like your auto-optification fails |
| 14:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | which means the basic problem is with your eMMC, not NAND |
| 14:29.00 | phoohb | I wanto pull the source of packages, this one have worked before: "apt-get source package_name" |
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| 14:29.44 | phoohb | Do I need to fill in the deb-src list by hand, or what? |
| 14:33.33 | phoohb | that, or git, or brake the phone. any hint, whats most amusing? |
| 14:34.13 | phoohb | Hello world! |
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| 14:45.14 | phoohb | Made a post on the forum. |
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| 14:49.33 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.25 | narcos | Has anyone played around with python-location? (http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API) |
| 14:50.57 | narcos | Running the sample script I get terrible accuracy |
| 14:51.14 | phoohb | I wanto rewrite the fmradio (so I can use a bug outside ordinary fm range) |
| 14:51.33 | narcos | i.e. off by 1000kms |
| 14:51.34 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Remember your pledge to the zeq developer device? |
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| 15:04.47 | kolp | seeing that the N900's phone app is closed source... Are there any unsurmountable obstacles in rewriting it? |
| 15:05.04 | kolp | I guess incoming calls might be difficult? |
| 15:05.07 | kolp | Just curious... .) |
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| 15:11.41 | narcos | Hmm, horizontal accuracy of NaN. |
| 15:11.50 | narcos | Why aren't you working mr gps |
| 15:12.20 | teotwaki | tell him to Get Real? |
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| 15:14.34 | narcos | LOL |
| 15:17.31 | kerio | narcos: gpsrecorder? |
| 15:21.34 | narcos | kerio: apt-gettin' :) |
| 15:21.49 | kerio | it's really neat, it even updates your time |
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| 15:30.15 | narcos | Dang, bad day for tech. |
| 15:30.59 | narcos | kerio: Sorry my connection timed out - in case you replied I didn't get it |
| 15:31.11 | kerio | <kerio> it's really neat, it even updates your time |
| 15:34.14 | narcos | k ta |
| 15:34.30 | narcos | My GPS seems borked - it doesn't give any results in this app either |
| 15:35.29 | narcos | "Status: Stopped, Acquiring". |
| 15:36.10 | narcos | I assumed in the GUI version, if the CELL button appears black, it means selected, and it's therefore not only relying on satelites, but also assisted GPS. |
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| 15:39.41 | narcos | Hmm @ https://troshlyak.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/fixing-n900-gps-locking/ |
| 15:40.01 | narcos | tries changing from supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com |
| 15:43.32 | narcos | waits patiently.... |
| 15:44.56 | vi_ | narcos: if your time is wrong, or you have not used the GPS for a long time it can take ages to lock. |
| 15:45.32 | vi_ | In all my n900 ownership time it has only taken a really long time once and that was like 10 minutes. |
| 15:46.21 | narcos | vi_: I've never used the GPS before. I know that if you only use satelites it can take minutes to lock (50 bits per seconds is slooooww), but the point of assisted GPS (supl) is that it should get a fix instantly :( |
| 15:47.01 | narcos | vi_: How's your satellite reception inside..? |
| 15:47.40 | narcos | Maybe I should leave it on the roof and go out for dinner. |
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| 15:49.03 | narcos | Odd how running tcpdump filtering for supl.google.com I don't see traffic. |
| 15:49.12 | narcos | It's not even trying. |
| 15:49.19 | narcos | Work with me mr n900. |
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| 15:56.52 | joga | for me I feel that when I got the n900 it got a gps fix very quickly, but now it seems to take forever sometimes |
| 15:58.57 | narcos | joga: I've read a lot of complaints about that over the last 30 mins. Try changing your supl server in the GPS settings to supl.google.com |
| 15:59.04 | narcos | joga: It seems to work for most people |
| 15:59.08 | narcos | Alas not for me. |
| 15:59.34 | narcos | joga: With any GPS device, only using satellites will take a long time to fix - the data rate is super slow. |
| 15:59.44 | joga | ye |
| 15:59.49 | joga | I'll try that.. |
| 16:00.10 | narcos | joga: But with assisted GPS (A-GPS) we can get a super fast fix. That's what that supl thing is about. |
| 16:00.40 | narcos | Secure User Plane Location |
| 16:00.52 | joga | narcos yeah, I'm aware, it's just that it doesn't seem to use it properly or something, but maybe it's a problem with supl.nokia.com? |
| 16:01.21 | joga | anyway, I switched it to google's, I'll see if it helps the next time I go out |
| 16:01.24 | joga | thanks |
| 16:01.34 | narcos | Yeah I suspect so. |
| 16:01.38 | narcos | Doesn't seem to help me though. |
| 16:01.58 | narcos | tries rebooting the phone. |
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| 16:12.30 | narcos | Interesting - on the reboot I see traffic going to supl.google.com in tcpdump, but still can't get a damn location. |
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| 16:18.17 | narcos | Too bad it's encrypted. |
| 16:20.41 | zeq | narcos: make sure your clock is accurate |
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| 16:27.13 | narcos | zeq: Yeah it's accurate - and I suspect set by the cell network |
| 16:27.26 | narcos | Been waiting for 20 mins now for a fix... |
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| 16:38.56 | narcos | Right - laptop battery is almost out - gotta run. Thanks for the help all. Catch you later. |
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| 16:48.50 | Tofe | Hello ! |
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| 16:58.49 | RiD | now we got two bots? |
| 16:58.51 | RiD | ~povbot |
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| 17:19.30 | Tofe | Does someone know of some code using dbus in an hildon plugin wich registers to signals on the *session* bus ? |
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| 17:25.26 | kerio | how do i set the wifi region? |
| 17:25.47 | kerio | it thinks i'm in the us |
| 17:25.50 | kerio | but i'm noy |
| 17:25.53 | kerio | *"95 |
| 17:25.59 | kerio | wtf |
| 17:26.00 | kerio | *not |
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| 17:28.05 | zeq | kerio: it should get discovered automatically from RAs I think |
| 17:31.53 | zeq | kerio: Apparently I've got IPv6 on the brain, I mean AP announces |
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| 17:36.17 | Tofe | Actually, in all the results I got from google, people couldn't make it work when they tried. One tip was to use hd_status_plugin_item_get_dbus_g_connection, but really, when we see the implementation of that function, it doesn't do much more than a basic dbus_g_bus_get... So, it may just be that it does not work at all with the session bus in an hildon plugin. However, I don't see why it would be so. |
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| 17:42.25 | kerio | ...let's say i feel like a weeaboo and want to pretend i'm in japan... |
| 17:42.35 | kerio | how would i achieve that, wrt wifi region? |
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| 17:50.04 | bonehead | hi |
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| 18:34.41 | dhbiker | hurts uroskn with an extra large Back Street Boys CD |
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| 18:56.24 | vi__ | jonwil: ping |
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| 19:12.34 | jonwil | hi |
| 19:15.23 | vi__ | jonwil: how is the hacking frenzy proceeding? |
| 19:16.22 | jonwil | haven't done any, cant find anything actually worth doing |
| 19:16.40 | jonwil | i.e. that others will care abiut |
| 19:18.15 | javispedro | hey jonwil |
| 19:18.24 | jonwil | hi |
| 19:18.49 | javispedro | maybe you could give a look to some apt-X encoder/decoder binaries I have around here ;) |
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| 19:22.33 | javispedro | but RE'ing a codec is hell, even if it's mostly pumped-on ADPCM |
| 19:23.04 | jonwil | heh yeah codecs are annoying |
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| 19:54.04 | bonehead | hello |
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| 20:21.16 | vi__ | bonehead: hello |
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| 20:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I missed your answer re zeq's device |
| 20:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | please toss an URL, I won't search tmo for any particular thread |
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| 21:05.37 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, about charging times - yes, but it's true only for standard bl-5j |
| 21:05.56 | Estel_ | because this one, charged @ 1250 get to 4.2 pretty quickly, and charging becomes capped anyway |
| 21:06.18 | Estel_ | 3Ah batteries benefit for almsot two hourts from 300 mA higher charging current |
| 21:06.22 | Estel_ | until it gets capped too |
| 21:06.50 | Estel_ | here it is close to a hour of lower charging time |
| 21:07.05 | Estel_ | with possible 6,8Ah batteries, it will be gain of 3 hours at least |
| 21:07.10 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.16 | Estel_ | good idea |
| 21:07.26 | Estel_ | but be sure that mugen have at least 2Ah power now, it ages pretty bad |
| 21:07.40 | Estel_ | so it's 2,4 Ah might become less than 2, since purchase |
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| 21:07.54 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, where I may find internal resistance measurement script? |
| 21:08.05 | Estel_ | I would like to use it on my (already sued for a year or so) dual-scud |
| 21:08.16 | Estel_ | it's ~2800 mAh now |
| 21:08.21 | Estel_ | I wonder how well it ages |
| 21:08.24 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 21:08.55 | Estel_ | as per theory it should have super low internal resistance |
| 21:09.13 | ShadowJK | ask SpeedEvil |
| 21:09.13 | ShadowJK | it might be on his wiki userpage actually |
| 21:10.23 | ShadowJK | well about half of a single scud as long as the paralelling connections are good |
| 21:13.35 | jacekowski | there is bit more to internal resistance of battery |
| 21:13.55 | jacekowski | you have electronic resistance and ionic resistance |
| 21:14.37 | jacekowski | ionic resistance is more of a problem for long term loads |
| 21:14.56 | jacekowski | electronic resistance affects both pulse loads and long term loads |
| 21:15.16 | Estel_ | but using two batteries, ionic resistance should be also halved |
| 21:15.20 | Estel_ | two ceels* |
| 21:15.21 | Estel_ | cells* |
| 21:15.41 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, thanks, i'll search on speedEvil pages |
| 21:17.26 | ShadowJK | ionic resistance is the one I'm more interested in |
| 21:19.38 | jacekowski | you need fast meter for that |
| 21:19.57 | jacekowski | well, you need dedicated hardware for that |
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| 21:23.11 | ShadowJK | well only really interested in long term load |
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| 21:24.15 | jacekowski | you have electronic resistance and ionic resistance, when battery is offload, ionic resistance is close to 0 and increases as soon as you apply load |
| 21:24.26 | jacekowski | how much, depends on electrolyte |
| 21:25.18 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, if You're interested - like me - on long-term load, it's rather about electrical resistance |
| 21:25.27 | Estel_ | if I understand jacekowski correctly |
| 21:25.29 | jacekowski | both |
| 21:25.43 | jacekowski | pulse load, ionic resistance doesn't matter as it's close to 0 |
| 21:25.45 | Estel_ | you just said that ionic resistance affect short-term load only? |
| 21:26.00 | Estel_ | ouh, sorry |
| 21:26.01 | jacekowski | 23:14 < jacekowski> ionic resistance is more of a problem for long term loads |
| 21:26.02 | Estel_ | inverted it |
| 21:26.05 | Estel_ | yea |
| 21:26.07 | Estel_ | just noticed it |
| 21:26.13 | jacekowski | let me find the pdf |
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| 21:26.55 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85793 |
| 21:26.55 | Estel_ | isn't it a matter of measuring resistance on off-load battery, then, after applying load, and comparing both results? |
| 21:27.03 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 21:27.18 | jacekowski | Estel_: you can't measure battery resistance off load |
| 21:27.21 | Estel_ | vi_, DocScrutinizer donated without seeing donation thread? |
| 21:27.22 | jacekowski | Estel_: it has to be on load |
| 21:27.33 | jacekowski | Estel_: on two different loads |
| 21:27.44 | Estel_ | huh, understood. I though that off-load it would be purely electrical one |
| 21:27.46 | jacekowski | Estel_: and you measure voltage on battery terminals when on load X and Y |
| 21:27.47 | Estel_ | I see |
| 21:27.55 | Estel_ | and compare it |
| 21:27.57 | Estel_ | understood |
| 21:28.03 | Estel_ | low load have less amount of ionic resistance, then? |
| 21:28.05 | vi__ | Estel_: yes, he is that much of a cool guy. |
| 21:28.08 | Estel_ | and high load should have more of it? |
| 21:28.11 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:28.21 | Estel_ | while electrical resistance is constant? |
| 21:28.29 | jacekowski | in short term |
| 21:28.43 | Estel_ | short as in few seconds/minute,s or short as in few miliseconds? |
| 21:28.51 | jacekowski | minutes |
| 21:28.54 | Estel_ | I wonder about measuring it without dedicated HW |
| 21:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: thanks, looking at it later, busy over at #cssu atm |
| 21:29.06 | jacekowski | basically, charge level affects electronic resistance |
| 21:29.13 | Estel_ | so should be possible to measure it via make-shifdt equipment, then |
| 21:29.33 | jacekowski | Estel_: you can measure electrical+ionic total eaily with meter + big resistors |
| 21:30.05 | jacekowski | if you want to measure ionic resistance you have to be fast (microseconds fast) |
| 21:31.22 | Estel_ | I see |
| 21:31.44 | Estel_ | no way to delete electrical one form calculations later, via comparision of resistance on different loads? |
| 21:31.46 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: NP |
| 21:31.48 | Estel_ | You know, via math? |
| 21:31.56 | jacekowski | not really |
| 21:32.10 | jacekowski | ionic resistance is very non linear |
| 21:33.51 | vi__ | jacekowski: it is also more or less irrelevent. |
| 21:34.17 | vi__ | gtg bb |
| 21:34.48 | Estel_ | lol |
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| 22:06.51 | EdLin | hello |
| 22:07.55 | EdLin | when I flashed FIASCO, I used the US version, but my device might be a global or other n900 as it's from eBay from an international seller. Would this cause side-effects or is this OK? |
| 22:08.50 | Estel_ | just use globalk |
| 22:08.54 | Estel_ | it can be used on any N900 |
| 22:09.01 | Estel_ | n900 is different by region |
| 22:09.13 | Estel_ | firmware makes it different, so use global always |
| 22:09.35 | EdLin | Estel_, it seems to be working OK, what hardware's different? |
| 22:11.58 | Estel_ | Us variant have more restricted FMTX |
| 22:12.33 | EdLin | I see, so I might have problems with FMTX if I used the wrong firmware? |
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| 22:13.25 | Estel_ | more hassle to unclock it |
| 22:13.29 | Estel_ | at worst |
| 22:13.34 | Estel_ | no idea, never used us variant |
| 22:14.07 | EdLin | OK, I'll flash yet another time with fiasco then. EEMC is the same, eh? I did that one too. |
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| 22:34.53 | ShadowJK | the fmtx restrictions are probably stored in cal anyway |
| 22:35.18 | ShadowJK | which doesn't get flashed |
| 22:35.18 | ShadowJK | but as for fmtx, there's the unlocked version somewhere |
| 22:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | US version has different cellmo FW which occasionally borks and has no reported benefit even inside US with US carriers |
| 22:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's the street talk |
| 22:40.38 | EdLin | btw, cellphonesforever included the stylus with mine. I guess they learned their lesson about that, it was definitely really a refurbished one though, it had apps installed on it when I got it. |
| 22:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, at least you got a working one |
| 22:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | cellphonesforever considered EVIL from all I read |
| 22:43.02 | EdLin | yes, I should have done my research about this seller before buying. |
| 22:44.25 | EdLin | it seems to be in working order more or less. |
| 22:44.50 | EdLin | I'm taking my time to make sure everything works before I give them an ebay evaluation. |
| 22:45.10 | Estel_ | EdLin, be sure to cherck all sensor via healthcheck |
| 22:45.18 | Estel_ | and sue digital camera to check Ir sensor |
| 22:45.28 | Estel_ | (digital camera's viewfinder actually sees IR light) |
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| 22:45.39 | Estel_ | using tvBGone! widget is easiest way to generate IR output |
| 22:45.39 | Viltzu | 32 |
| 22:45.50 | Estel_ | hi lxp, long time not seen |
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| 22:55.36 | EdLin | Estel_, I can't seem to type period, I get a O with a line through it, some sort of Scandanavian character. |
| 22:56.13 | EdLin | I did tell it I'm an American, not sure what's wrong. ;-) |
| 22:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* KDE4 fubar |
| 22:57.34 | EdLin | hey, do you know what might be wrong that's making it use a o with a line rather than a period? |
| 22:57.47 | EdLin | it makes it hard to type in addresses, as you can imagine. |
| 22:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash |
| 22:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you even got apps installed on it, you will want to reflash to a clean install |
| 22:58.45 | EdLin | DocScrutinizer05, I did that already, fiasco and emmc. |
| 22:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 22:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you wanna set kbd to your locale, in settings |
| 22:59.12 | EdLin | OK. |
| 23:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! reboot time for this fsckup KDE4 |
| 23:00.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | mouseclicks get ignored, no matter what I do - on start menu and taskbar only |
| 23:01.25 | EdLin | DocScrutinizer05, why do you torture yourself with KDE4? ;-) |
| 23:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | opening start menu with alt-F1 I can't navigate it with cursor keys |
| 23:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | EdLin: because I am content with one method of torture |
| 23:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't need a second one |
| 23:02.40 | EdLin | DocScrutinizer05, I just use a plain window manager, screw Linux desktop environments. |
| 23:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should consider downgrading to KDE3 though |
| 23:02.57 | EdLin | yeah, KDE3 was OK. |
| 23:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE4 wrecked by a flock of flakes |
| 23:04.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | REBOOOOooooooooo.......... |
| 23:05.00 | EdLin | GNOME got a lot worse too, I'm not sure what happened, maybe they decided that Linux was getting too good for users so they'd mess up the desktop to keep it elite. ;-) |
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| 23:09.11 | Jiri | Hello |
| 23:09.49 | Jiri | i have installed bluetooth dun, do i need to some way activa it before it is ready to use? |
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| 23:21.14 | Jiri | anyone alive? |
| 23:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 23:24.00 | EdLin | nobody is alive, everyone died in the zombie elopacylpse. |
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| 23:26.03 | Jiri | ok thats good |
| 23:26.46 | Jiri | so i installed the bluetooh dun, do i need to enable it after that? |
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