| 00:00.00 | Estel_ | this dual kernel thing is a madness |
| 00:00.11 | Estel_ | it's liker living with one woman mon-friday and another one in weekend |
| 00:00.46 | Estel_ | nopt that I have personal experiences on that matter *cough* |
| 00:01.02 | FIQ|n900 | you know what is madness? |
| 00:01.16 | Estel_ | sparta? |
| 00:01.22 | FIQ|n900 | being stinged by these wasps THREE NIGHTS A ROW :< |
| 00:01.22 | Estel_ | sorry, couldn't stop myself |
| 00:01.31 | Estel_ | mosquitos? |
| 00:03.05 | Estel_ | BTW, freemangordon, you know that i' |
| 00:03.09 | FIQ|n900 | "common wasp" i believe |
| 00:03.15 | Estel_ | I'm stubbron one and I always installed kernel through fapman?:P |
| 00:03.42 | Estel_ | incl. flasher, I mean |
| 00:03.45 | Estel_ | and CSSU |
| 00:03.54 | freemangordon | Estel_: if you have KP51 already installed, then there ahould be no problem |
| 00:03.55 | Estel_ | despite common warnings, it always works great |
| 00:04.00 | Estel_ | yea |
| 00:04.15 | Estel_ | but even with need of flashing kernel-cssu3 (not in my case) why fapman should have problems? |
| 00:04.22 | freemangordon | I just overlooked that you have it already |
| 00:04.27 | Estel_ | it's damn apt-get and apt-cache frontend |
| 00:04.39 | freemangordon | Estel_: NFC, but apt-get didn't manage to do it |
| 00:04.44 | Estel_ | 0_o |
| 00:04.51 | FIQ|n900 | i.e. not mosquitos |
| 00:04.51 | FIQ|n900 | mosquitos are fine, they don't hurt |
| 00:04.56 | freemangordon | while HAM worked |
| 00:05.03 | Estel_ | 0_o 2 |
| 00:05.10 | Estel_ | any errors? |
| 00:05.10 | FIQ|n900 | they're just annoying |
| 00:05.49 | Estel_ | wasps, lol? why they sting you during night? |
| 00:05.52 | Estel_ | they should sleep |
| 00:05.56 | Estel_ | doesn't see during night |
| 00:05.58 | FIQ|n900 | indeed :( |
| 00:06.18 | Estel_ | maybe light in house atracted them? |
| 00:06.25 | FIQ|n900 | possible |
| 00:06.44 | Estel_ | mosquiteira (net on window anti-mosquitos) should prevent wasps too |
| 00:06.51 | Estel_ | are they stinging You during sleep? |
| 00:06.52 | qwazix_900 | Estel_, freemangordon: I always pinned apt to prefer pps from testing, so I doubt I ever installed fcam from devel unless testing one explicitly says it can't work with stock kernel, and I didn't have any problems with KP46-50 |
| 00:07.19 | Estel_ | qwazix, why so? manyprograms in testing are left with serious problems |
| 00:07.22 | FIQ|n900 | Estel_: one time, the other times I hadn't begun sleeping yet (but in bed) |
| 00:07.41 | Estel_ | horror, you could as good swallow them, and get stinged in throat |
| 00:08.05 | FIQ|n900 | sounds fun |
| 00:08.10 | Estel_ | no idea WTF with those night swap wasps, but I would install mosquitieras on windows asap |
| 00:08.11 | FIQ|n900 | and deadly |
| 00:08.11 | Estel_ | seriously |
| 00:08.17 | Estel_ | it's real threat |
| 00:08.28 | FIQ|n900 | Well, I don't live here usually |
| 00:08.35 | FIQ|n900 | or i would have done that way ago |
| 00:08.40 | Estel_ | without anyone nearby knowing WTF and giving You ice block to swallow immediately (and calling hospital) it';s very deadly |
| 00:09.35 | Estel_ | during sleep, natural action when some insect is walking near ones mouth is to swallow it (seriously) |
| 00:10.05 | Estel_ | wasn't a big problem, as wasp and bees slep during nights, so stings in throat were most of the times result of wasp jumping into glass of juice during day |
| 00:10.16 | Estel_ | and someone drinking them with it |
| 00:10.16 | FIQ|n900 | at least I don't have to deal with them when I'm home... just here |
| 00:10.41 | Estel_ | good mosquito repellent (one that you put into mains) should repel wasps too |
| 00:10.45 | ShadowJK | how do you know it's wasp |
| 00:10.53 | Estel_ | take care, and in case of troubles, bon apetit |
| 00:11.44 | ShadowJK | I have an electric mosquito repelling device too, that uses exchangeable pads. It kills mosquitos and flies (flies die slowly), wasps don't die but they atleast stay away |
| 00:11.50 | qwazix_900 | Estel_: just so I can vote apps. I am sure apps are in testing except if I explicitly installed from devel |
| 00:11.59 | FIQ|n900 | ShadowJK: because I know how they feel |
| 00:12.34 | qwazix_900 | or they don't exist in testing at all so I can't vote anyway |
| 00:12.39 | ShadowJK | I've seen people have reactors to mosquitos that look similar to when I got stung by a wasp |
| 00:12.46 | ShadowJK | reactions* |
| 00:13.01 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, but wasps leaves sting |
| 00:13.11 | ShadowJK | I thought htat was bumblebees |
| 00:13.30 | Estel_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespula_vulgaris |
| 00:13.38 | Estel_ | I thought about this |
| 00:13.49 | Estel_ | aka "common wasp" |
| 00:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait WUT? kp-settings got removed from repo? \o/ maybe x-fade finally concluded OC in fact *is* deliberate damage of device? |
| 00:14.23 | Estel_ | bumblebee - erm? |
| 00:14.25 | Estel_ | https://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&safe=off&q=bumblebee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=R4AUUJ6lDc3Osgbv44G4AQ&biw=1540&bih=757&sei=UYAUULa6LY3EswaB_oHgBw |
| 00:15.15 | Estel_ | don't think so, DocScrutinizer, this view on it seems to be defeated by common practice through years ;) |
| 00:15.43 | Estel_ | manye people have device overclocked for 2-3 years now, without slightest ill sympthoms |
| 00:16.10 | qwazix_900 | Is there a shortcut to force fullscreen on maemo? |
| 00:16.22 | qwazix_900 | On any app? |
| 00:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | on (my) xchat there's ctrl-enter |
| 00:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | (manye people...) *some* people though have evidently fried their device by OC - with as much evidence of relation as you possibly get |
| 00:20.14 | qwazix_900 | DocScrutinizer: nice, but it would be nice to have a universal one like on Diablo, maybe sending that specific keycode still works |
| 00:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, maybe |
| 00:22.21 | qwazix_900 | I'll try to find something that reads keycodes tomorrow. Bye now, I'm off to sleep |
| 00:27.10 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I have yet to see ONE report of device fried by oc, that isn't msot likelyu related to other things |
| 00:27.34 | Estel_ | qwazix, sure, there is |
| 00:27.36 | Estel_ | wait a second |
| 00:28.09 | freemangordon | WTF? /lib/modules/current points to /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 |
| 00:28.36 | Estel_ | qwazix, m:0x4 + c:65 |
| 00:28.44 | Estel_ | fullscreen in any fremantle program |
| 00:28.49 | Estel_ | freemangordon, huh? |
| 00:29.00 | freemangordon | yes, NFC why |
| 00:29.18 | Estel_ | FIQ, wikipedia says that common wasp isn't attracted by light, only hornets are. |I don't know, maybe Your wasps mutated |
| 00:29.31 | Estel_ | in kernel-cssu3? |
| 00:29.34 | freemangordon | yes |
| 00:36.59 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 00:40.48 | freemangordon | Estel_: hmm, seems like kernel-power uninstaller restored that to stock |
| 00:41.12 | Estel_ | and kernel-cssu3 haven't restored it back to proper one? |
| 00:41.33 | freemangordon | i uninstall KP after installing KCSSU |
| 00:41.47 | freemangordon | so it didn't have a chance |
| 00:41.56 | freemangordon | on my devel device it is OK |
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| 00:42.16 | bindi | hm |
| 00:42.24 | bindi | can I use my n900 to do a 24/7 stream of the camera? |
| 00:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, why not? |
| 00:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | (<Estel_> DocScrutinizer, I have yet to see ONE report ...) see my signature at tmo |
| 00:54.30 | Estel_ | seen that, and this report is quite doubtful |
| 00:54.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: the true problem is "most likely related to other things" is usually a very biased PoV |
| 00:55.07 | Estel_ | it could as good originate from any other malfunction. I don't need "direct proof" as it's impossible, but this one is as good as any other cause |
| 00:55.29 | Estel_ | I look at this without bias, and from my PoV, most "claims" about overclocking damage are result of bias |
| 00:55.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: The same for "for sure it is because of OC" |
| 00:55.43 | Estel_ | most of the times, when somethings malfunction, first thoughts of some people is "overclocking?" |
| 00:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're arguing like German Work injury insurance: "please deliver EVIDENCE that your lung cancer been caused by asbestos" |
| 00:56.30 | Estel_ | I'm just investigating every possible claim of damage by Oc out of curiosity, and I don't like "absolute proofs", but honestly, none claim I've seen had even slightly higher probability of being cause by OC, that from any other malfunction |
| 00:56.51 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, hey, I'm not the one that request evidence of compliance by running next kernelk on stock modules :P |
| 00:56.57 | Estel_ | I'm really trying to be objective here |
| 00:57.05 | Estel_ | it's not about definite evidence, it's about probability |
| 00:57.21 | Estel_ | in my book, probability of those few claims of OC damage to be really caused by Oc is quite low |
| 00:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah yes, you're so objective you even mix topics just for polemic purpose |
| 00:58.06 | Estel_ | I'm just not allowing You to accuse me of being "hard-proofs-only" biased :P |
| 00:58.44 | Estel_ | cmon, does this: |
| 00:58.45 | Estel_ | This morning, after charging overnight, my N900 decided to reboot itself.. All went downhill from here - insane stability issues - reboots,freezes etc etc... At some point it even stopped responding at all - it could load up to Nokia screen and then reboot into a endless reboot-cycle. I was really hoping this to be a software issue so I reflashed the device with PR 1.3, but sadly the problems persist... Phone keeps rebooting randomly either whi |
| 00:58.45 | Estel_ | le loading up, being on standby on desktop or while loading something. The saddest part of all is that warranty expired _4_ days ago |
| 00:58.45 | Estel_ | Phone was running on 950mhz ideal with swappolube on proposed settings. |
| 00:58.47 | Estel_ | At the moment I am trying to get a lucky stability window and copy everything from EMMC so I can do a complete reflash, but I really doubt that will work. |
| 00:58.50 | Estel_ | Any suggestions on how to fix this, or at least what MIGHT have caused this would be greatly appreciated. |
| 00:58.52 | Estel_ | sorry |
| 00:58.54 | Estel_ | damn paste |
| 00:59.01 | Estel_ | I meant: |
| 00:59.03 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=926481&postcount=1 |
| 00:59.12 | Estel_ | ...really deserves being put into signature as proof for Oc damage? |
| 00:59.20 | Estel_ | This guy is not only guessworking, but probably, doing it wrong |
| 00:59.37 | Estel_ | one day his N900 works like a charm, and next day, some hardware malkfunction makes it collapse to 0 within few hours? C'mon |
| 00:59.45 | Estel_ | electromigration works a little differently, AFAIK |
| 00:59.58 | Estel_ | not to mention that he was using idiotic 950 frequency, but that's not the point |
| 01:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, would that story of the dude who OCed his device on handbrake transcoding a video and made his battery go boom by overtemperature in direct consequence, would that maybe convince you? I guess not even that is any more likely related to OC than to any other cause for you |
| 01:00.37 | Estel_ | even more, it looks like eMMC failing |
| 01:00.46 | Estel_ | I've seen things like that, for people using swap on eMMC |
| 01:01.04 | Estel_ | /dev/mmcblk0* becomes visible and not, appearing and disappearing when it wants |
| 01:01.19 | Estel_ | You may imagine such results by sudden disappearing of opt and swap ;) |
| 01:01.43 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, exploding battery as a result of OC? c'mon... |
| 01:01.50 | Estel_ | I'm sure you know how much hoax it is |
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| 01:02.10 | Estel_ | if battery exploded, it was huge malfunction in battery (and it's safety pcb) |
| 01:02.34 | Estel_ | it doesn't have a rats shit to do with OC, seriously. Not that I advocate Oc'ing to insane numbers jsut to do some single task |
| 01:02.43 | FIQ|n900 | flames arriving in 3... 2... 1... |
| 01:02.44 | FIQ|n900 | I think it's reasonable that it was due to OC |
| 01:02.53 | Estel_ | battery?:P |
| 01:03.02 | Estel_ | this one really made me LOL |
| 01:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's your problem |
| 01:03.19 | Estel_ | even the claim from joerg's signature is more proper than claiming OC caused battery explosion |
| 01:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're so biased you can't even detect the bias |
| 01:03.32 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, during heavy usage, my battery inside N900 delivers more than 1A of current |
| 01:03.40 | Estel_ | no, we're talking about technical arguments |
| 01:03.54 | Estel_ | You try to tell me thatr OC stress battery more than any other kind of heavy usage? really? |
| 01:04.08 | freemangordon | just try 3G |
| 01:04.10 | Estel_ | overtemperature in battery can be caused only by bad battery, or battery being treaten VERY bad |
| 01:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I told you battery malfunction happended due to overtemperature of whole device caused by OC |
| 01:04.30 | Estel_ | I can now Oc to fuckin insane idiotic 1150 and my battery wil ldeliver less current, than during heavy activity onj stock |
| 01:04.41 | Estel_ | and even literally frying CPU wouldn't heat battery to temperature of explosioin |
| 01:04.44 | Estel_ | explosion* |
| 01:04.56 | ShadowJK | thought temperature was unrelated to oc |
| 01:05.00 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: how that could happen having in mind BME does an emergency shoutdown above certain temp? |
| 01:05.04 | Estel_ | this dude just got bad battery, and durring transcodinmg video - no matter if Oc or not - heavy current sucked up made it BOOm |
| 01:05.09 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, because it is |
| 01:05.37 | FIQ|n900 | oh, and also |
| 01:05.38 | ShadowJK | That it's mostly accelerating the decay of the CPU |
| 01:05.45 | Estel_ | I'm trying to be gentle and polite, but battery exploding due to Oc is so idiotic, that I'm stunned DocScrutinizer brings it as argument, because he is, in fact, very experienced in topic of batteries (and OC phenomenas, like electro-migration, too) |
| 01:05.58 | FIQ|n900 | my battery becomes really hot when using mobilehotspot (600mhz clockspeed) |
| 01:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: mhm, and all this is your absolutely confirmed and checked result of scientific investigation of the issue? |
| 01:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine! |
| 01:06.11 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I may be wrong, but I actually don't belive that You belive battery exploding due to OC |
| 01:06.33 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, don't play with me like that, You neither have any scientific data, but from what You know about batteries and OC |
| 01:06.39 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 01:06.42 | Estel_ | You know that it can't make battery BOOM as much as I know |
| 01:07.00 | freemangordon | FIQ|n900: it is because there is no WiFi power management in adhoc mode |
| 01:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: >70°C is really dangerous |
| 01:07.12 | Estel_ | thewre are two things that Oc may do to battery - little more current draw... |
| 01:07.18 | FIQ|n900 | oh, that isn't reached |
| 01:07.32 | Estel_ | which shouldn't make battery BOOM, and batteries that do BOOm, would do it also by other means of current draw, like ad-hox or 3G... |
| 01:07.35 | FIQ|n900 | it's hot, not *that* hot i believe |
| 01:07.37 | Estel_ | and tem,perature |
| 01:07.57 | Estel_ | here also this argument fails to deliver, as even insane Oc can't heat freaking battery cell to high temperature |
| 01:08.06 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure BL5J could explode at all? I think there is a valve on it. |
| 01:08.09 | Estel_ | now, what may heat battery? broken battery, that have high internal resistance |
| 01:08.11 | Estel_ | and other flaws |
| 01:08.22 | Estel_ | = it died due to high current during transcoding, be it Oc or not |
| 01:08.38 | Estel_ | freemangordon, normally it couldn't, I tried very hard to make it boom, really |
| 01:08.41 | Estel_ | but flawed battery could |
| 01:08.43 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: I might see wrong (I can't see too well) but the top of my batteries (the top as in where the nokia logo is), the shell seems minor deformed, do I see things or can that actually happen? |
| 01:09.06 | Estel_ | if it is deformed to outer side, aka becoming "ticker", it mayh be true |
| 01:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: it's annoying to discuss with you, since when something doesn't please you, you start to use ever mor eweird assumptions as facts and calling others silly when they explain to you the seventh time that you are on a completely wrong path with your logic |
| 01:09.39 | Estel_ | now, DocScrutinizer, have I forget about some possiuble cause of battery exploding? Other than current draw and temperature (BTYW, the latter coming from the first) |
| 01:09.48 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, LiPo batteries don't explode, the pouch is soft enough that it punctures before that. But what happens is called "venting with flame", which to most people isn't that different from "explode" :-) |
| 01:09.49 | Estel_ | well, i'm asking you politely |
| 01:10.07 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, we have LiIon, not LiPo? |
| 01:10.17 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 01:10.18 | ShadowJK | Estel_, it's not round, it's not made out of metal, it's LiPo |
| 01:10.28 | Estel_ | but it is made of metal! |
| 01:10.32 | ShadowJK | no |
| 01:10.35 | Estel_ | yes, really |
| 01:10.44 | FIQ|n900 | Estel_: source? |
| 01:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | BL-5J is LiIon, not LiPo |
| 01:10.53 | ShadowJK | Well the pouch is probably slightly metallic |
| 01:10.55 | Estel_ | FIQ|n900, go and disassemble one :P |
| 01:11.00 | FIQ|n900 | nty |
| 01:11.04 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, really, I also though for ages that it is LiPo |
| 01:11.10 | Estel_ | actually, few months ago someone englightened me |
| 01:11.13 | ShadowJK | But it's constructed as a LiPo surrounded by a plastic shell |
| 01:11.15 | Estel_ | and indeed, it is LiIon, not LiPo |
| 01:11.24 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, negative, it is metallic |
| 01:11.34 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 01:11.34 | Estel_ | shell that is + and small area that is - |
| 01:11.43 | FIQ|n900 | about the minor deformation of the shell |
| 01:11.48 | FIQ|n900 | is this a bad thing? |
| 01:11.48 | Estel_ | directly under cell wall, there is Li |
| 01:11.51 | Estel_ | nope |
| 01:11.54 | Estel_ | in fact, it's better |
| 01:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: how exactly deformed? |
| 01:12.01 | FIQ|n900 | ah, so I shouldn't care? |
| 01:12.05 | ShadowJK | Estel_, I don't know of anyone who can make rectangular non-LiPo batteries |
| 01:12.05 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: well... |
| 01:12.07 | FIQ|n900 | let me seee |
| 01:12.09 | FIQ|n900 | -e |
| 01:12.42 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, now I'm confused, but this battery really have HARD metal wall |
| 01:12.47 | Estel_ | and nothinb under it |
| 01:12.50 | Estel_ | no plastic, etc |
| 01:12.55 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: the top (at the logo) part of the shell is a bit thicker than everything else |
| 01:13.10 | FIQ|n900 | only barely visible, but yeah |
| 01:13.15 | ShadowJK | Estel_, well the major difference is in whether the shell is exerting pressure onto the contents of the battery or not |
| 01:13.24 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, not trying to haste, but I've asked You about any other possible cause of battery going BOOM other than current draw and temperature (the latter may result from the first, BTW) |
| 01:13.32 | ShadowJK | With LiPo construction the internals don't need to be pressurized |
| 01:13.45 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, N900's battery surely do pressure |
| 01:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: watch it. If it grows you should dispose your battery |
| 01:13.59 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: mkay |
| 01:14.05 | Estel_ | FIQ|n900, exactly. growing means that gas is accumulating inside |
| 01:14.10 | FIQ|n900 | ty for enlightement |
| 01:14.13 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: every source over inet says it is Li-Ion |
| 01:14.47 | Estel_ | initially, Ik though that it was wrong, as LiPo is a kind of Li-Ion, but after "collecting evidence" it seems it is LiIon indeed |
| 01:14.54 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, LiPo is also Li-Ion :P |
| 01:15.07 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, but You know what he mean :P |
| 01:15.43 | ShadowJK | Regular Li-Ion is heavier for smaller formfactors because it needs to have a rigid case that exerts mechanical pressure onto the inside of the battery |
| 01:16.32 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, 3th attempt - do You think about any other cause of battery exploding that overcurrent or overtemeprature? Or you insist on telling us that overclocking is causing 2A current draw, or generating enough energy to heat big LiIon cell to explosion? |
| 01:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: you talked yourself into a frency and assumed many incorrect and/or unrelated things, and now you're asking me to answer a question that you will use to prove I'm telling bullshit (with the one sentence I posted that not even been a statement but rather a hearsay witha question), no matter how I answer your question. I'm not going into same trap on arguing with you for the dozen+1th time |
| 01:17.18 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 01:17.24 | freemangordon | night guys |
| 01:17.27 | Estel_ | night ;) |
| 01:17.53 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you're making things up. Indeed, I don't belive that it caused battery to explode, but I'm willing to discuss it, as You may know something about battery or Oc, that I don't |
| 01:18.05 | Estel_ | now, when asked for logical analysis, You tell me that You won't cause I'm bad ;) |
| 01:18.28 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: what will happen if I ignore it (i.e. if I don't notice change while it indeed does change)? |
| 01:18.37 | Estel_ | initially, I really though that You don't belive what You're saying (abot battery exploding due to OC), but you insist that You do, so I immediatelly swapped to serious analysis |
| 01:18.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | see? you don't need my answer to accuse me of 'making up things'. So please don't pester me and just go on with your crusade, while I yawn |
| 01:18.58 | Estel_ | no, I say that ?you're making things up about me :) |
| 01:19.06 | Estel_ | anjd why You won't do logical analysis |
| 01:19.24 | Estel_ | I would *really* like to know why someone as experienced with batteries as You may belive this explosion due to OC - no irony here |
| 01:19.27 | Estel_ | I'm honestly curious |
| 01:19.57 | ShadowJK | Mostly I've only seen "LiPo" used in marketing in cellphone industry because at one time peopel thought LiPo was better than classic Li-Ion, and also at one time a fully polymer battery was expected to be superior, but that technology turned out to suck and never materialized, so in the end what's left is the way the batteries are constructed and held together, while the chemistry remains identical |
| 01:19.58 | Estel_ | if You don't want to talk about it, it's fine |
| 01:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're really so numb to not have noticed: I stated 3 times already that the battery gone malfunction due to general overtemp of whole device |
| 01:20.51 | Estel_ | ...but, in such case, don't get anrgy when people will still insist that battery exploding due to Oc is bullshit. We're grown up, and things without arguments are not going to be took into account |
| 01:20.54 | Estel_ | OK, overtemp |
| 01:21.09 | Estel_ | so we're at point 2 - do you think that Oc can cause such type of overtemp? |
| 01:21.19 | Estel_ | if not, what else can cause it? is it related to Oc, or not? |
| 01:21.25 | Estel_ | I'm really doing unbiased logical analysis |
| 01:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already told you I won't fall for your trolling trap again |
| 01:21.43 | Estel_ | for example, in my book, the thing that can heat up most in N900 i9s battery cell itself, due to internal resistance. But I may be wrong |
| 01:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not asking anymore "ho high2 when you order me to jump |
| 01:22.13 | Estel_ | well, Your approach is rather about "I won't talk about it, cause I can't prove my thesis", but if it's what you feel fancy, it's ok. |
| 01:22.50 | FIQ|n900 | ok I assume nothing too particular will happen as I was ignoreg so I guess I'll go and sleep |
| 01:23.01 | Estel_ | I agree with overtemperature argument, but from ym experience, even running insanely idiotic high speeds doesn't create any ammount of heat, that could change temperature of battery cell |
| 01:23.04 | Estel_ | of such size |
| 01:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: sorry |
| 01:23.07 | FIQ|n900 | s/reg/red/ |
| 01:23.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: i'd not be too concerned |
| 01:23.30 | Estel_ | IMO, the thing that creates msot heat is battery itself, during heavy current draw and high internal resistance |
| 01:23.35 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: ty for the answer |
| 01:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 01:23.48 | FIQ|n900 | but i'll go to sleep anyway :p |
| 01:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 01:23.57 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, if You know toher things that I don't, that could create such heat, tell us. If not, just stfu and don't accuse me of trolling or something like that - we're trying to have civilized, merit discussion |
| 01:24.08 | Estel_ | n8, FIQ|n900 |
| 01:24.14 | FIQ|n900 | night everyone and Estel_ |
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| 01:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | general advice: somebody stating "I know A, and B, do you know of any C that applies as well?" doesn't necessarily tell correct facts about A and B. And nobody else arguing with him about A and B might have several causes, one of them being mere boredom and too amny As and Bs to correct to even ponder starting at that daunting task. Anyway application of simple primary school physics laws will teach you for example that most heat will |
| 01:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | be generated where the product from formula P=I*U=I^2*R is highest. When I is same for two systems and one has some 3.5V across it while the other has a internal resistance of maybe 0.2Ohm (both systems at a I of 1...3A), you can easily tell which of both systems is the one that creates most heat |
| 01:35.32 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, sure, that is why I've asked for Your opinion on A and B first. |
| 01:35.57 | Estel_ | while general rule about heat indeed apply, from my short calculations, still the cell is thing generating most energy (heat) |
| 01:36.19 | Estel_ | and SoC, by any means, can;t create enough energy to heat cell considerably, not to mention heating it to explosion |
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| 01:37.07 | Estel_ | basically, my argument about that, was about *current* pulled from malfunctioning battery resulted in much heat and BOOM. But, even more current could be easily achievable by other means than oc, namely wifi ad-hoc, 3G, or any other |
| 01:37.10 | Estel_ | f;ashlight :P |
| 01:37.32 | Estel_ | if You have points that I've forget about, I'm all for reading about it - no irony intended in any part |
| 01:38.03 | Estel_ | BTw, I even provided example of ym device using more than 1A of current, when on ad-hoc wifi, GPs, and some other things. |
| 01:39.27 | ShadowJK | 's personal record is around 1.2A |
| 01:42.49 | Estel_ | exactly |
| 01:43.04 | Estel_ | I'm absolutely sure that it's much more dangerous for malfunctioning battery, than any current generated by OC |
| 01:53.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely sure I don't feel like discussing with people about topics they state they are absolutely sure about |
| 01:54.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp whin - as icing on the cake - the things they state they are sure about are largely unrelated to the originally discussed topic |
| 01:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/whin/when/. |
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| 01:57.02 | Estel_ | You're avoiding discussion again - well, fine. |
| 01:57.40 | Estel_ | Considering this, i'll keep my opinion that You don't belive overclocking as cause for battery explosion Yourself. And You call me biased? |
| 01:58.04 | Estel_ | from "other barrel of vine", anyone here remember command to nuke tracker database and force re-generating it? |
| 01:59.15 | ShadowJK | tracker-proecesses -r |
| 01:59.16 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 02:00.12 | Estel_ | thanks a lot |
| 02:03.28 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, strange, my 3Ah battery is empty (3.2), and I've stopped BME, yet it still faisl to charge with 1250 |
| 02:04.03 | Estel_ | (charges with ~950, assuming 400 idle device power draw :D) |
| 02:04.13 | Estel_ | (while it is now very small one, in reality) |
| 02:04.56 | Estel_ | on other things,m i've noticed, that with BME stopped, I can connected device to Pc and get into mass storage mode without problems. I wonder, if then, using modified version of charge21.sh - that never charges with more than 500 mA - would work OK? |
| 02:05.17 | Estel_ | file_storage modules already did negotiation with USB host, so 500 mA should be available, yep? |
| 02:05.32 | ShadowJK | what's rate with screen off? |
| 02:05.43 | Estel_ | 990 |
| 02:05.48 | Estel_ | CH is 1250 |
| 02:05.51 | ShadowJK | 500 etc isn't really enforced by hosts |
| 02:05.58 | Estel_ | estimated system use is bullshit -260 |
| 02:06.07 | ShadowJK | kp or pr1.3 kernel? |
| 02:06.14 | Estel_ | kp50 |
| 02:06.22 | ShadowJK | weird :) |
| 02:06.31 | Estel_ | idle power draw is, as said, normally about ~8mA |
| 02:06.33 | Estel_ | yep |
| 02:06.41 | Estel_ | i though it was BME fail, but now I do it without BME |
| 02:06.49 | Estel_ | and rate is same, real one around ~1000 |
| 02:06.51 | Estel_ | mA |
| 02:07.01 | Estel_ | Ps is capable of more for sure |
| 02:07.09 | Estel_ | same for cable and connection, USB port is in top state |
| 02:08.14 | Estel_ | I'll check if RATE reported by charge21.sh is same as by bq27200.sh |
| 02:08.24 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.36 | ShadowJK | got that? first screen of script |
| 02:08.36 | Estel_ | as for 500 mA, sure it isn't, but when device will try to draw less than 500 mA from Pc usb port, it shouldn't complain |
| 02:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | the *only* proper way to evaluate system power is: kill charge.sh; sleep 10; a=bq27200-get-capacity; sleep 60; b=bq27200-get-capacity; echo "average system power consumption during last 60s: $(( (b - a) * 60 )) |
| 02:08.41 | Estel_ | sure |
| 02:08.45 | Estel_ | even 0x71 |
| 02:08.59 | Estel_ | as I('ve decided to take 100 mA as end charging threshold |
| 02:09.21 | ShadowJK | Well yeah, but at empty battery and 1250 configured rate he should see more than 900 :P |
| 02:09.41 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, why, our chip got very bdecent real-time current monitor, that can be sued for measuring battery capacities too |
| 02:09.48 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, exactly |
| 02:10.16 | Estel_ | well, at least without bme, RATe is same as reported by bq27200.sh and charge21.sh |
| 02:10.27 | Estel_ | sued :P used even |
| 02:10.58 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, 'stop bme' is enough to stop it good way, yep? |
| 02:11.06 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 02:11.09 | Estel_ | as a root, of course |
| 02:11.14 | Estel_ | then I have no freakin idea |
| 02:11.24 | ShadowJK | stop it before starting charge script, of course |
| 02:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | is trying to practice Estel_ style a bit... |
| 02:11.37 | Estel_ | poof course |
| 02:11.51 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you're going to exchange letters now?:) |
| 02:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but, but, cows *do* eat bq27200 chips! |
| 02:12.19 | ShadowJK | sure, if you serve them chips |
| 02:12.24 | Estel_ | :) |
| 02:12.39 | ShadowJK | especially with molasses on top |
| 02:12.47 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, no need to be bitter about our battery-exploding-due-to-Oc discussion :P |
| 02:13.03 | Estel_ | You must admit that in spite of such nonsense presented, I was very polite :) |
| 02:13.17 | ShadowJK | would be interesting to run your battery through SpeedEvil's ohm script |
| 02:13.20 | Estel_ | My cow preffer onion flavour chips |
| 02:13.35 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, sure, but I don't remember where it is and how to use it? |
| 02:14.00 | ShadowJK | but on the other hand, a 3Ah battery should have awesomely low internal resistance |
| 02:14.14 | Estel_ | ah, also - few users requested that - you don't mind if I clean bq27200.sh script (to use i2c-tools package, not stand alone i2cget) and add it to next version of bnf from repos? |
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| 02:14.26 | ShadowJK | Significantly lower than the nokia bl-5j in my spare n900 |
| 02:14.28 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, exactly (resistance), I would like to prove it experimentally |
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| 02:14.37 | Estel_ | even lower than japod, and any single-cell |
| 02:14.42 | ShadowJK | what's "bnf"? |
| 02:15.04 | ShadowJK | but sure go ahead |
| 02:15.11 | Estel_ | http://maemo.org/packages/view/bnf/ |
| 02:15.13 | Estel_ | thanks |
| 02:15.23 | ShadowJK | has a version somewhere that looks for local i2c-tools then systemwide |
| 02:15.30 | ShadowJK | or then I lost that version |
| 02:15.32 | Estel_ | before You ask, you're credited for scripts, ideas, etc, all over the place :P |
| 02:15.33 | ShadowJK | shrugs |
| 02:15.55 | Estel_ | I know you wouldn't ask, but indeed I've credited You :) |
| 02:16.20 | Estel_ | it was script that pop-up banner with all encesssary info, I used it with shortcutd to have it on long-press of camera button |
| 02:16.24 | Estel_ | even when inside full-screen aps etc |
| 02:16.37 | Estel_ | ncie thing to measure current current used by some games and so goes on |
| 02:16.46 | Estel_ | (or easy debian without leaving LXDE) |
| 02:16.55 | Estel_ | I sued it for ages, finally mvoed my ass, tuned it, and packaged |
| 02:17.07 | Estel_ | suprisingly, it got very wamr reception for such small script |
| 02:17.47 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, fuck the duck! This charging thing may be mistake |
| 02:17.57 | Estel_ | I just have nuked tracker databvase, odds are that it's rebuilding |
| 02:17.59 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 02:18.03 | Estel_ | thus really eating 300-400 mA |
| 02:18.03 | ShadowJK | oh |
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| 02:18.10 | ShadowJK | top? |
| 02:18.21 | Estel_ | checking it (conky jsut freaked out) |
| 02:18.35 | Estel_ | hm, looks like all idle |
| 02:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | kill charge.sh; sleep 10: bq27k-detail; charge.sh |
| 02:19.12 | Estel_ | ? |
| 02:19.24 | Estel_ | sure, I can, but what use for it? |
| 02:19.32 | Estel_ | what should I check in details? |
| 02:19.40 | ShadowJK | killing charge.sh doesnt stop charging |
| 02:19.46 | ShadowJK | not immediately atleast |
| 02:19.47 | Estel_ | 0_o? |
| 02:19.53 | Estel_ | so sleep 20? |
| 02:19.56 | ShadowJK | you could unplug charger and check rate |
| 02:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: ouch, you ought add a trap |
| 02:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | see booston |
| 02:20.45 | ShadowJK | killing script results in approximately 30s the yellow led will come on steady indicating 100mA emergency charge |
| 02:20.50 | Estel_ | rate of idlee device with screen off and charge running is 20 mA |
| 02:21.08 | Estel_ | did as you suggested, ujnplugged cable |
| 02:21.14 | Estel_ | 20ma used, of course |
| 02:21.20 | Estel_ | not provided :P |
| 02:21.25 | ShadowJK | Yeah so I'd try stepping down charge rate (3 places to change in script) and see if sys makes more sense |
| 02:21.27 | Estel_ | so out of ideas again |
| 02:21.46 | Estel_ | for sure it will, as RATE was ok, and sys is charge - Rate |
| 02:22.09 | Estel_ | it's just that charge assume I'm charging on 1250, and for some twisted reason, i'm charging on ~1A only |
| 02:22.20 | ShadowJK | Well it only assumes charge is 1250 |
| 02:22.37 | Estel_ | for sure it isn't stock 950, cause I remember it to be less (really no more than 950) and this for sure is more than 950 |
| 02:22.43 | Estel_ | yes |
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| 02:23.22 | Estel_ | lol, even better |
| 02:23.39 | ShadowJK | there are two possible reasons, the charger (chip, psu) isnt providing configured 1250 @ 4.2V, or, you're losing more voltage between charging chip and battery than what is typical for the N900s I've used |
| 02:23.42 | Estel_ | current with charge.sh on and no cable, with screen off, is -4ma, somnetimes -7 mA |
| 02:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about right |
| 02:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes even 25mA |
| 02:25.05 | ShadowJK | So I'd start by reducing requested charge rate (3 places to change in the script), and observing whether figured start making sense |
| 02:25.07 | Estel_ | when i left device for a while, it was stable 4-7 mA. So no tracker rebuilding in background |
| 02:25.19 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, OK |
| 02:25.34 | Estel_ | but I'm sure (:P) that it will make sense as long as I provide 1A requested or less |
| 02:25.53 | ShadowJK | if they don't make sense, I'd then leave it at 550mA requested charge, and increase the CR variable until reported sys: is at 20-50mA range |
| 02:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | since bq27200 always reports current evrg during *last* sampling window, which obviously never is a window when the bq27200 script was _running_ (rather than sleeping) - unless you set loop 5 |
| 02:26.45 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, confirmed, at 950 requested it makes sense |
| 02:27.02 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I test it with loop 5 |
| 02:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you should see more than avrg 4...7mA |
| 02:27.33 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, at 1050 requested it is slightly off. For some reason, my charging goes on 1A and no more |
| 02:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see 26mA on loop 5 |
| 02:27.44 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, i told ya that my device is power-savbing :) |
| 02:27.51 | Estel_ | causeYou don't use kernel-power?:P |
| 02:28.04 | Estel_ | no widgets here, that could refresh when shouldn't |
| 02:28.11 | Estel_ | powertop when idle reports 97% time in C4 |
| 02:28.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, could You test with powertop? basic 30 secs test |
| 02:28.30 | Estel_ | it sleeps for 15 seconds or so, then do 30 sec test |
| 02:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | test what? |
| 02:28.48 | Estel_ | of course pwoertop test fluctuate, but usually it's around 94-98% time in C4 |
| 02:28.54 | Estel_ | time spent by CPu in C4, obviously |
| 02:29.05 | Estel_ | if You have 26 mA, I suspect something waking up CPu more than necessary |
| 02:29.10 | Estel_ | not very much, but a little |
| 02:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | 98% |
| 02:29.29 | LaoLang_cool | hello, how to create a bluetooth connection? |
| 02:29.37 | Estel_ | for example - it is unrelated to Your case - I had once Easy Debian's xbindkeys runnign always, which turned out to generate 300 more wakeups than necessary |
| 02:29.41 | ShadowJK | sigh, of course day after my ups died, a thunderstorm is rolling in |
| 02:29.43 | Estel_ | couldn't detect it via power usage |
| 02:29.49 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, heh |
| 02:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see 4...7mA when doing loop 10, and 26mA when doing loop 5 |
| 02:29.56 | LaoLang_cool | I need to share network connection with another cell phone |
| 02:30.01 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, hm |
| 02:30.18 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, confirming, my mistake. It was loop 15 |
| 02:30.41 | Estel_ | as I modified it, earlier, to tets wioth charge21.sh, that during standby also reports in 15 |
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| 02:31.06 | Estel_ | BTw I wonder why fuckin tracker isn't rebuilding database, after I nuked it? |
| 02:31.16 | Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, does the other phone support DUN? |
| 02:31.46 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, I do not know.. the phone is palm treo 650 |
| 02:31.48 | Estel_ | which phone is going to provide network, and which one to leech it? |
| 02:32.07 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, I want palm to provide the networking to n900 |
| 02:32.49 | Estel_ | hm, definitelly should be possible, but it's such unusual scenario, that I can't recall any easy method, sorry |
| 02:33.19 | Estel_ | would require messing with... iptables? or what was it? |
| 02:33.35 | Estel_ | on TMO, there is thread with bluetooth scripts to do reverse scenario |
| 02:33.42 | Estel_ | maybe You could scavenge from it? |
| 02:33.56 | Estel_ | there was PAN version also |
| 02:33.57 | ShadowJK | will be harder to convince the treo to share network |
| 02:34.01 | Estel_ | (personal area networking) |
| 02:34.20 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, my thoughts exactly, but in fact, how to setup N900 foir leeching network over bluetooth? |
| 02:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: just create a proper network for it, as in "settings - networks" |
| 02:34.33 | Estel_ | would require script/terminal trickery much, no fool-proof solution, afaik |
| 02:34.34 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, oh, I'm newbie, it's out of my knowledge at current time, I should try it later when I have learned something basic |
| 02:34.54 | Estel_ | LaoLang_cool,, not so newbie,m already few weeks IIRC :) |
| 02:35.24 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, I'm newbie on the thing I'm trying to do ;p |
| 02:35.32 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, call me noon, but for now I don't even know where to start with editing what to make N900 leech net over bluetooth |
| 02:35.35 | Estel_ | net access |
| 02:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | install DUN |
| 02:36.06 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, how You want to create network lkeeching over bluetooth with N900's settings->network? |
| 02:36.07 | ShadowJK | Using another phone's network connectivity over bluetooth isn't something that any phone, including n900, supports. On n900 there's atleast the possibility of DIY though |
| 02:36.13 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I have DUN |
| 02:36.29 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, sure, that's why I'm thinking about DIy solution |
| 02:36.34 | Estel_ | where to start |
| 02:36.41 | Estel_ | not that I need it personally, but LaoLang_cool made me curious |
| 02:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | check how N810/diablo did it |
| 02:36.49 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, I can't find 'networks' under 'settings' :( |
| 02:37.04 | Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, doesn't matter, as it allow WiFi and mobile networks only |
| 02:37.07 | Estel_ | to be created |
| 02:37.20 | Estel_ | I suppose it would need to be like with ethernet-> usb adaptor |
| 02:37.25 | Estel_ | i.e. some "dummy" network |
| 02:37.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 02:37.31 | Estel_ | that You connect to from connection manager |
| 02:37.41 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, seems it only allows to create a wifi connection |
| 02:37.42 | Estel_ | and that is in fact configured for bluetooth |
| 02:37.43 | Estel_ | hm? |
| 02:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it allows DUN as well, as soon as you install a proper setting |
| 02:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it also allows ad-hoc |
| 02:38.06 | ShadowJK | heh, lost power |
| 02:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and PAN |
| 02:38.13 | Estel_ | hm, IIRc DUN package from repos was about sharing network to PC over dun, but... |
| 02:38.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, could You elaborate? |
| 02:38.22 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, this one? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/bluetooth-dun/ |
| 02:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think that one is a DUN host |
| 02:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no DUN client |
| 02:39.27 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, what the proper setting do I need to install? |
| 02:39.48 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, where is DUN client? I can't recall any |
| 02:40.08 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, because You're not using dual scud :P |
| 02:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_DUN#Nokia_N8x0 |
| 02:40.44 | LaoLang_cool | I can enable "Dial-up Net working" in palm treo, so I think now the only thing need to be done is at n900 side, right? |
| 02:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if it still works 100% same way as on N810 |
| 02:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | but method should be similar |
| 02:42.46 | ShadowJK | Estel_; no because of thunderstorm |
| 02:44.04 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, lol, murphy's law and UPs thing? |
| 02:44.46 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 02:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, probably it's not enabled by default on N900 |
| 02:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | (bt DUN client) |
| 02:46.27 | ShadowJK | blitzortung.org is saturated with lightning strikes near where I live |
| 02:47.30 | LaoLang_cool | what should I need to do on maemo? |
| 02:47.38 | LaoLang_cool | I'm using cssu stable |
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| 02:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: duh! blitzortung.org? |
| 02:51.20 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 02:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: I have to read up stuff like you. http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth is a nice starting point |
| 02:51.35 | LaoLang_cool | Do I understand right? If I want to share phone 1 networking to phone 2, bluetooth dial-up networking should be on on phone1, then I need to install a dun client on phone 2, right? |
| 02:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 02:52.22 | LaoLang_cool | "DUN is the primary method for tethering to cellular devices. It is easy to set up and easy to use" |
| 02:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | on diablo/N810 DUN (and PAN) clients worked fine |
| 02:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, exactly |
| 02:52.43 | LaoLang_cool | I don't think it's easy to set up, I don't know where to set it up at all! |
| 02:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: this is from diablo ages |
| 02:53.02 | LaoLang_cool | where can I find a client for n900? |
| 02:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet it's already there, just not supported by the setup |
| 02:53.41 | ShadowJK | has doubts |
| 02:53.54 | LaoLang_cool | oh.. |
| 02:54.01 | LaoLang_cool | still no any clue... |
| 02:54.11 | LaoLang_cool | more confused now... |
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| 02:55.35 | ShadowJK | hah, grid frequency is 50.1 |
| 02:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: wait a bit, I'm still trying to find something for you. Or better not wait and instead search on tmo and aunt google |
| 02:56.48 | ShadowJK | LaoLang_cool; it's not supported. He means that since it was supported in Maemo 4 on Nokia N800 and N810, the functionality might still be present, but disabled, on Maemo 5 N900 |
| 02:57.18 | ShadowJK | So you wouldnt find it in any menu or in the settings app |
| 02:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, exactly. I noticed it's not working anymore on N900 settings-internet as it used to on N810 |
| 02:57.42 | LaoLang_cool | ShadowJK, oh, so I should give up to try? |
| 02:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: use google! |
| 02:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you're not the first one to try this |
| 02:58.48 | ShadowJK | LaoLang_cool; like I said earlier, it'd of course be possibly to DIY |
| 02:59.01 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, thanks, googling |
| 02:59.01 | ShadowJK | maybe someone has done it before |
| 02:59.20 | LaoLang_cool | ShadowJK, ok, googling :) |
| 02:59.33 | ShadowJK | but then again, as N900 has its own cellular connectivity, there'd be few people who has a need for it? |
| 02:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: half of north america needs it ;-D |
| 03:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I recall some user asking similar thing just 2 weeks ago |
| 03:01.32 | ShadowJK | thunderstorm is close enough for visible lightning now |
| 03:01.37 | ShadowJK | still no power :D |
| 03:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, no power with 50.1Hz ? how's that? |
| 03:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles |
| 03:03.28 | ShadowJK | oh that's from a website |
| 03:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 03:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: seems PAN is better supported than DUN actually |
| 03:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: now the question is: can your BB offer PAN server? |
| 03:05.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or only DUN? |
| 03:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN |
| 03:06.29 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, palm is a dead phone, I don't think it support fancy feature :( |
| 03:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 03:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I'm short of good pointers off top of my head |
| 03:07.42 | robbiethe1st | @previous comment about 50.1hz: I'll bet you that the Nokia charger for your N900 will work on just about any frequency, so long as the voltage range is right... Because it's just got a bridge rectifier->capacitor setup on the input, versus some sort of PFC circuit. |
| 03:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's possible for sure to get DUN and/or PAN client running on N900, but I don't know how and don't know good pointer |
| 03:08.30 | ShadowJK | robbiethe1st; that was from website, I was trying to check how widespread the outage is |
| 03:08.37 | robbiethe1st | oh |
| 03:08.59 | ShadowJK | if lots of load suddenly disconnected, I would've expected the frequency would be near the upper end of the allowed range |
| 03:09.14 | robbiethe1st | Probably |
| 03:09.26 | robbiethe1st | But that assumes you have something that cares about the frequency. |
| 03:09.58 | ShadowJK | also there was a line on national grid that failed twice within 5mins, relatively close to where i am, but 20 minutes before power was lost here |
| 03:10.47 | ShadowJK | robbiethe1st; spinning generators do, if load is lost they start spinning faster |
| 03:11.08 | robbiethe1st | No, I mean load wise. |
| 03:11.28 | ShadowJK | right |
| 03:12.14 | robbiethe1st | And, most importantly, if that increased frequency would cause any /harm/ or make anything work outside of acceptable parameters(a 3600rpm motor spinning at 3700 rpm? Likely not a problem) |
| 03:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: (you have something that cares...) actually every powerplant generator cares |
| 03:12.55 | LaoLang_cool | ok, I give up to share palm's networking to n900. |
| 03:12.57 | robbiethe1st | They |
| 03:13.06 | LaoLang_cool | trying to share pc networking to n900 now :) |
| 03:13.17 | LaoLang_cool | I'm on windows xp sp3 |
| 03:13.40 | robbiethe1st | ...You don't get what I mean. The power plants do care, and will carefully control it as best they can, due to(at least in the US) it being used as a time source. |
| 03:13.48 | LaoLang_cool | I want to share the networking via usb, is it possible? |
| 03:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: yes |
| 03:14.21 | robbiethe1st | On the load side, however, I'm saying there isn't a lot that cares, except for things that A, use special input circuits, or B, use it as a time source. |
| 03:14.31 | robbiethe1st | And our chargers are not one of those. |
| 03:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: http://wiki.maemo.org/Networking |
| 03:14.57 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, thank you, reading on it |
| 03:16.20 | ShadowJK | list of powerlines on national grid tripping has grown by 4 near where I live :D |
| 03:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: that's never been the point though |
| 03:18.16 | robbiethe1st | ? |
| 03:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: ShadowJK checked for frequency of his power grid on a webpage to find if in his region there's been some sudden noticeable drop of load, which *automatically* causes increase of frequency |
| 03:19.34 | robbiethe1st | ah, yeah |
| 03:20.25 | ShadowJK | it'd have to be a pretty wide outage to affect frequency, as entire nordic region (excluding iceland etc) runs synchronous grid |
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| 03:20.59 | ShadowJK | and 50.1 is at or close to upper limit |
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| 03:21.08 | LaoLang_cool | ok, I'm reading http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, but I don't know which part is for share networking from pc to n900, too words to hard to undsreatnd for me :( |
| 03:21.25 | ShadowJK | 50.02 now |
| 03:21.39 | LaoLang_cool | I'm on windows |
| 03:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 03:22.58 | robbiethe1st | LaoLang_cool, why not just get a $5 usb-> wifi adaptor, setup Ad-hoc network? |
| 03:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Starting_USB_network_mode_with_Windows |
| 03:23.35 | LaoLang_cool | robbiethe1st, I want to share pc networking to n900, not n900's to pc :) |
| 03:23.43 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 03:23.54 | robbiethe1st | You can do Internet Connection Sharing on Windows |
| 03:24.23 | robbiethe1st | Share the connection you have otherwise /to/ the wifi ad-hoc network, and through that to the N900 |
| 03:26.29 | LaoLang_cool | robbiethe1st, I prefer to usb wire, it's easy to find |
| 03:27.09 | robbiethe1st | Makes sense, but it's going to be harder |
| 03:27.13 | robbiethe1st | On windows. |
| 03:27.19 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, thank you for the link, I can understand, what I need is just to download a packge and install it :) |
| 03:28.09 | LaoLang_cool | robbiethe1st, yes. DocScrutinizer05 give a link to a easy instruction :) |
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| 03:29.04 | robbiethe1st | You need to download a package, configure it, then edit about a half-dozen files. |
| 03:29.14 | robbiethe1st | And edit the registry. |
| 03:29.34 | robbiethe1st | Not impossible, but it'll take you a bit of time |
| 03:30.13 | LaoLang_cool | robbiethe1st, oh, you scared me a lot! |
| 03:30.41 | LaoLang_cool | s/you scared me a lot/you make me scared/ |
| 03:30.42 | robbiethe1st | That's what that page says, anyway, and I'm sure it's correct. |
| 03:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: it's only 2 files that need edit on N900 |
| 03:32.18 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, will try it, downloading, networking is slow :) |
| 03:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> (actually MADDE for Windows is not required, but just files maemo_usbnet.inf and maemo_usbnet.cat for installation network device Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget)<< |
| 03:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: even http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#One-time_Quick_.26_Dirty_Connection |
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| 03:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>on your Other Computer, open a terminal and type the following for Ubuntu; **modify appropriately for other computers**<< though |
| 03:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno enough of windows to tell you how to transscript those 3 lines to dosbox cmd speak |
| 03:37.12 | LaoLang_coo_ | DocScrutinizer05, thank you, lunch time now, will back when finish ;p |
| 03:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops, forget my last 3 posts, it's about ssh *to* N900 only |
| 03:39.03 | ShadowJK | uhhh.. so I have no power, ups is switched off without battery, but connected. Outside lit up blue, ups beeped. |
| 03:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help for proper internet sharing |
| 03:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: :-o |
| 03:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: took me a while to parse your post |
| 03:43.36 | ShadowJK | seems like it's going to pass within 300m |
| 03:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_coo_: actually it seems http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Windows is the right for you |
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| 03:51.55 | Estel_ | weuuut? whjy all the mess? |
| 03:52.06 | Estel_ | LaoLang_coo_, just install QTMobileHotspot... |
| 03:52.18 | Estel_ | follow it's GUI instructions on how to setup USB networking with windows... |
| 03:52.34 | Estel_ | then, from windows, use it's GUI to share internet connection with USB networking |
| 03:52.52 | Estel_ | on N900, provide IP of Pc with windows as gateway... |
| 03:52.56 | Estel_ | and as a DNS |
| 03:53.10 | Estel_ | job done |
| 03:53.21 | ShadowJK | wonders why mobilehotspot is involved |
| 03:53.29 | Estel_ | (of course, IP associated with USB networking, can be done from qtmobilehotspot IIRC |
| 03:53.39 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, because it allow fool-proof usb networking setup |
| 03:53.49 | Estel_ | fort someone who doesn't feel OK with editing dozens of files |
| 03:53.58 | Estel_ | and o nexit, it clean it up again ;0 |
| 03:54.31 | Estel_ | i.e. "automagically" does all steps,. that otherwise are manual (including many fail-safe solutions to clean settings in case of crash, etc) |
| 03:54.49 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 03:55.02 | Estel_ | I'm not discouraging LaoLang_coo_ from messing by hand, as it's very educational, but I bet he will end without any connection at all, at the end, at least initially :P |
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| 04:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>install the Mad Developer application on N900 and start it and press "Usb Networking" -> "Windows Network" -> "Close".<< |
| 04:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Press button "Edit" and enter following IP Address: 192.168.2.15, Netmask: 255.255.255.0, Peer IP: 192.168.2.14. and then press "Configure" (this address will be used for the SCP client as well).<< |
| 04:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's it, no messing with any file editing, no mobilehosespot |
| 04:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Windows |
| 04:08.43 | Estel_ | well, mad developer on N900 instead of 1t mobilehotspot for common user? why so? |
| 04:08.56 | Estel_ | s/lt/qt/ |
| 04:09.32 | Estel_ | BTW, qtmobilehotspot is based on improved code from both mobilehotspot (non qt) and mad developer ;) |
| 04:12.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>WARNING: This software requires custom kernel!<< maybe because of that? |
| 04:13.46 | Estel_ | qt mobilehotspot requires kernel-power? I msut admit I wasn't aware of that. But cmon, every normal person uses kp ;) |
| 04:14.12 | Estel_ | but seriously, if it really does, for sure mad dev is fail safe solution working on stock too |
| 04:14.41 | robbiethe1st | Wait, someone uses stock kernel? |
| 04:14.45 | Estel_ | in any other case, I would recommend Qt mobilehotspot, as it's brillantly written, clean and well proven one |
| 04:14.54 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, You're touching delicate matters :D |
| 04:15.11 | robbiethe1st | But, like... stock kernel is sucky. |
| 04:15.18 | Estel_ | "someone" not only uses kp, but also demand ABi compatibility with it |
| 04:15.22 | Estel_ | hides |
| 04:15.29 | Estel_ | yes, it is |
| 04:15.35 | robbiethe1st | Screw that. |
| 04:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sure, you probably would suggest to install an alternative OS to change the wallpaper. Based on the rationale that "it's brillantly written, clean and well proven one" |
| 04:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't you think installing a new kernel is a bit of an overkill to make USB networking work? |
| 04:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and btw I'm not demanding anything like what you made up i'd do |
| 04:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just clearly saying you shall stop trying to forcefeed custom kernels to everybody |
| 04:23.32 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, qt mobilehotspot also have other functionality like... mobile hotspot?:P that actually requires kernel-power (as most up-to-date funcionality, anyway...) |
| 04:23.44 | Estel_ | odds are like 99% that LaoLang_coo_ have kp installed, anyway |
| 04:23.57 | Estel_ | if not, I admit (and did so) that mad developer may be fastewr option |
| 04:24.00 | Estel_ | faster* |
| 04:25.13 | Estel_ | nevertheless, You msut understand that 99,995 of people consider kernel power and CSSU as true basics, that should be present on device of all power users |
| 04:25.46 | Estel_ | (heck, even N900's bought from people who are definitelly *not* power users have KP installed, most of the times. Even for some units, that haven';t had rootsh/sudser installed!) |
| 04:25.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, please show me the poll that gave you that numbers |
| 04:26.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, should I re-use Your argument, stating that "i'm not going to get caught in Your troll trap"? ;) |
| 04:26.21 | Estel_ | You know reality as well as I |
| 04:26.39 | Estel_ | of course everyone is free to *not* use KP |
| 04:26.49 | Estel_ | as everyonme is free to *not* use any kind of root access on N900 |
| 04:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | just my reality is quite a bit different than yours, thank God for that |
| 04:26.59 | Estel_ | but demanding assuming such situation from others is kinda overkill |
| 04:27.30 | Estel_ | no surprise, as You're mostly active on IRC (but even here, 90% of people use KP, as you may easily guess ;) ) |
| 04:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yawns and turns away |
| 04:28.02 | Estel_ | You don't have problems with considering rootsh/sudser as basic things, but You deny to acknowledge that for other people, kernel-power is in exact samed category? |
| 04:28.10 | Estel_ | well, good night, then :) |
| 04:28.30 | Estel_ | and no, i don't want to hear about batterioes exploding due to kp |
| 04:28.31 | Estel_ | hides |
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| 09:11.02 | kerio | goddammit, why does HAM actually list the repos in sources.list? :( |
| 09:14.36 | kerio | oh, beautiful |
| 09:14.55 | kerio | i can put my freaky repos in a different file in sources.list.d and ham will ignore them |
| 09:14.57 | kerio | :D |
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| 09:20.53 | kerio | yo vi_ |
| 09:21.12 | kerio | should i enable extras and e-testing if i have -devel already enabled? |
| 09:21.47 | vi_ | I do not know. |
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| 09:23.37 | vi_ | How am I supposed to enjoy using my n950 when I know I cannot take it outside? One slip and it is fucked. |
| 09:23.52 | vi_ | No spares, no replacements. |
| 09:24.16 | ruskie | wth... my n900 is having weird issues... just randomly shuts down or drains power |
| 09:24.28 | kerio | vi_: buy an otterbox for it! :D |
| 09:24.32 | vi_ | ruskie: powertop |
| 09:24.43 | kerio | ruskie: new battery |
| 09:24.43 | ruskie | yeah I'll check with that as soon as I can |
| 09:24.45 | vi_ | kerio: no one made such acessories for it. |
| 09:24.49 | ruskie | kerio, it is a new battery |
| 09:24.54 | ruskie | like 2-3 months old |
| 09:24.55 | ruskie | original |
| 09:25.10 | kerio | vi_: get to work then :D |
| 09:25.15 | vi_ | do you have batterygraph? |
| 09:25.31 | ruskie | used to run it but stopped ages ago |
| 09:25.40 | vi_ | ruskie: same here. |
| 09:25.58 | ruskie | anyway will see once I get into a runnable state again |
| 09:26.06 | vi_ | however if it is somthing that only triggers from time to time it may be worth reinstalling. |
| 09:26.36 | vi_ | To see if there is a massive CPU spike at the point of mass drainage. |
| 09:27.18 | ruskie | it's weird I charged it up yesterday.. unplugged it.. and when I wanted to use it now... off... |
| 09:28.00 | vi_ | runaway process has eaten your battery. |
| 09:28.09 | vi_ | I blame kernel power settings. |
| 09:28.50 | kerio | :C |
| 09:28.56 | kerio | why do you blame k-p-s? |
| 09:30.10 | vi_ | because some times it used to spazz out and eat my battery. That was a few versions back though so who knows if it still does. |
| 09:30.20 | ruskie | I don't use power kernel |
| 09:30.59 | vi_ | well I'll be. |
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| 09:31.34 | vi_ | ~powertop |
| 09:31.34 | infobot | somebody said powertop was available from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333, or http://www.2shared.com/file/11135428/bbe19274/powertop_111-1_armel.html |
| 09:32.29 | vi_ | ~seen a grown man naked |
| 09:32.31 | infobot | i haven't seen 'a grown man naked', vi_ |
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| 09:46.20 | Raimu | :p |
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| 09:55.06 | freemangordon | zeq1: hi |
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| 10:08.18 | freemangordon | hxka: hi |
| 10:08.29 | hxka | freemangordon: hello |
| 10:08.59 | freemangordon | hxka: what did you do pal, clicked kernel-power uninstaller? |
| 10:09.55 | hxka | No, I did run 'sudo /usr/sbin/kernel-powr-uninstall' |
| 10:10.59 | freemangordon | aah, even better :D. But why? I wrote in the post that if you have kernel-power it will remain, no new kernel will be flashed. |
| 10:11.19 | hxka | Just for testing |
| 10:11.51 | freemangordon | well, you are aware that uninstaller flashes the stok kernel, are you? |
| 10:11.57 | freemangordon | *stock |
| 10:11.58 | hxka | Yep |
| 10:12.28 | freemangordon | now, you have a pile of thumb2 compiled binaries, how do you think, will they run without errata workaround? |
| 10:13.15 | hxka | No, no, no |
| 10:13.21 | freemangordon | by removing the only kernel on your device, which provides kernel-feature-errata-workaround, you remova all of the packages that depend on that kernel feature |
| 10:13.28 | hxka | The problem caused by 'apt-get remove --auto-remove -y kernel-power-flasher' line |
| 10:13.39 | freemangordon | hxka: what then, i don't understand |
| 10:13.45 | hxka | It produce that: http://paste.kde.org/524660/ |
| 10:14.20 | freemangordon | hxka: kenel-power and kernel-power-modules depend on kernel-power-flasher |
| 10:15.08 | freemangordon | so, by removing kernel-power-flasher you remove kernel-power and kernel-power-modules, and all of the packages that depend on kernel-feature-errata-workaround |
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| 10:15.54 | freemangordon | and you remove also the packages the depend on hildon-desktop, libgtk, microb-engine, etc,etc |
| 10:16.12 | hxka | That's what I'm trying to say from beginning: if 'community kernel' would not be separate package but a newer version of kernel, there won't be such problem at all |
| 10:17.04 | freemangordon | hxka: did you have kernel-cssu installed before executing 'apt-get remove --auto-remove -y kernel-power-flasher'? |
| 10:17.11 | hxka | No |
| 10:17.28 | freemangordon | so, in what exactly way your problems are caused by kernel-cssu name |
| 10:18.10 | freemangordon | hmm, i see |
| 10:18.22 | freemangordon | yeah, you have your point |
| 10:19.55 | freemangordon | hxka: I got it, you want the kernel in cssu-thumb to keep users from unbootable device if they have kernel-power installed and run the uninstaller by accident, do you? |
| 10:21.06 | hxka | That would be a solution |
| 10:23.36 | freemangordon | hxka: but not the correct one ;). It is a bad solution to workaround a bug in kernel-power uninstaller by calling kernel-cssu "kernel" |
| 10:24.10 | freemangordon | there is just no way of stopping anyone from bricking his/her device |
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| 10:30.40 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
| 10:31.19 | kerio | freemangordon: devil's advocate: if it's supposed to be *the* kernel then it should be called "kernel", or at the very least replace the stock kernel package |
| 10:31.19 | hxka | freemangordon: you said there is no particular reason for calling it kernel-cssu. I can give a reason to call community kernel as kernel: it supposed to be replacement of kernel. And having different package for that seems to me like 'dirty hack'. |
| 10:31.32 | kerio | yeah, what hxka said |
| 10:31.46 | kerio | also lol at hxka for removing half of his packages |
| 10:32.31 | freemangordon | hxka: I agree, but it is still not a part of the "official" CSSU. When/if the time comes there will be a discussion on that and I will not forget your argumentation. |
| 10:32.56 | freemangordon | the point of cssu-thumb repo was to prove/not if stable thumb2 is possible on n900 |
| 10:33.43 | freemangordon | Now it is proven it is, despite what a bunch of so called "gurus" say. But there is still a long way to go ;) |
| 10:33.50 | freemangordon | hxka: ^^^ |
| 10:34.07 | hxka | kerio: Luckily, I did a backup yesterday |
| 10:35.04 | freemangordon | hxka: point taken, thanks |
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| 10:35.53 | hxka | freemangordon: glad to hear that ;) |
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| 10:45.24 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: HAM wants me to use pc suite to upgrade to thumb13. I have 85mb free rootfs. Also kcssu throws a message about breaking 3rd party policy and gives no ok button |
| 10:45.59 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: and what is on "problems" tab? |
| 10:46.21 | kerio | qwazix_900: have you ran cssu enabler? |
| 10:46.43 | freemangordon | kerio: hold on |
| 10:46.48 | luca_ | hello, I'm trying to make a HildonEntry/GtkEntry only accept numbers (make the virtual keyboard only show numbers for input) but I can't find any information about it, all I found is a 3.0 features that doesn't appeart to exist anymore in 5.0 (http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/hildon-docs/hildon-libs/hildon-libs-hildon-input-mode-hint.html) |
| 10:46.54 | luca_ | any advice is appreaciated |
| 10:48.12 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: conflict with application packages: Linux kernel for community ssu (bootimage for u-boot and multiboot) |
| 10:48.24 | luca_ | freemangordon: btw, I've been reading the -thumb thread, how (un)safe is to upgrade, I mean, how many people do you think is using it? how many issues are known? how often new issues are found? |
| 10:48.25 | kerio | qwazix_900: ooh, are you using multiboot/uboot? |
| 10:48.31 | qwazix_900 | no |
| 10:48.51 | qwazix_900 | clean device flashed yesterday |
| 10:49.03 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: remove bootimg by hand |
| 10:49.09 | qwazix_900 | only cssu-thumb and fcamera |
| 10:49.14 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: ok |
| 10:49.14 | _berto_ | luca_: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/gtk/GtkEntry.html#hildon-gtk-entry-set-input-mode |
| 10:49.37 | freemangordon | it was installed because of apt stupidness |
| 10:50.08 | freemangordon | luca_: it is used by at least 20 people, no reported problems so far. |
| 10:50.27 | freemangordon | (despite some packaging stuff) |
| 10:51.04 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: you can also remove it by using HAM |
| 10:51.29 | qwazix_900 | I just did |
| 10:51.33 | freemangordon | :) |
| 10:51.58 | qwazix_900 | waiting for HAM to get itself together and try again |
| 10:52.17 | freemangordon | hehe, I am going to have some lunch then :P |
| 10:52.46 | kerio | qwazix_900 i hope you also have cssu-testing |
| 10:53.02 | kerio | otherwise you're gonna have a bad time |
| 10:53.23 | freemangordon | kerio: stop that, enabling CSSU-thumb also enables CSSU-testing. And qwazix is not a noob |
| 10:53.28 | kerio | k |
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| 10:53.44 | luca_ | freemangordon: and they idea is to make the standard cssu compiled with thumb in the future? |
| 10:54.17 | freemangordon | luca_: well, CSSU maintainers don't like that ;) |
| 10:54.24 | qwazix810 | freemangordon, it continued (and threw me out of irc). Thanks. |
| 10:54.30 | luca_ | freemangordon: I'm very tempted to try it but that's my only and main phone :) |
| 10:54.49 | freemangordon | luca_: I am using it on my only and main phone :P |
| 10:55.17 | freemangordon | but it is upt to you of course :) |
| 10:55.40 | qwazix810 | luca_, Ive been using it for about a month with no problems |
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| 10:56.19 | luca_ | freemangordon: too bad, so, unless (you or somebody else) keeps updating the thumb fork, it won't get updates, right? is it possible to switch between the 2 without flashing (I don't care if I have to manually install packages using dpkg, or whatever) |
| 10:56.31 | freemangordon | qwazix810: well, there was an issue with TLS TBH |
| 10:56.44 | luca_ | qwazix810: and you see any difference in performance/responsivness? |
| 10:56.48 | qwazix810 | And I dont know if its fresh device speediness but my N900 is faster than my N9 lately |
| 10:57.01 | freemangordon | luca_: you won;t believe it |
| 10:57.32 | qwazix810 | freemangordon, indeed, but I didnt encounter it but once |
| 10:57.58 | freemangordon | it is fixed now, but we were talking about issues and that one popped ;) |
| 10:58.12 | freemangordon | I just recall it |
| 10:58.37 | freemangordon | luca_: you may check on thumb thread on TMO about how often it is updated |
| 10:58.52 | jonwil | I just wrote a nice replacement for bluetooth-sysinfo |
| 10:58.55 | qwazix810 | freemangordon, I cant wait to test your fennec :) |
| 10:59.27 | freemangordon | qwazix810: unfortunately it is still far from neing usefull as microb replacement :( |
| 10:59.32 | freemangordon | *being |
| 11:00.35 | freemangordon | and knowing how fast is thumb2 compiled microb-engine, you know ;) |
| 11:00.54 | qwazix810 | Id just like a usable browser with sync. Because all my passwords are on ff+sync |
| 11:01.23 | freemangordon | qwazix810: well, will upload fennec in thumb repo after I have some lunch |
| 11:01.37 | qwazix810 | I dont really care to replace microb just yet, until more sites break with it |
| 11:02.05 | freemangordon | it is not that bad, but i would love it to be useful as microb replacement |
| 11:02.23 | freemangordon | well, ok. I will opload it in 1-2 hours |
| 11:02.28 | freemangordon | *upload |
| 11:03.10 | qwazix810 | I would love that too of course, but that would mean cursor mode which I understand is near impossible. I will test as soon as Its up |
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| 11:03.35 | Gh0sty | 1-2=-1 so you will travel back in time to upload it? :p |
| 11:04.06 | freemangordon | qwazix810: we have all the tools needed to replace gecko backend |
| 11:04.48 | qwazix810 | that is good news |
| 11:05.26 | qwazix810 | I wonder if we could use maemo 4 microb ui which IIRC is open |
| 11:05.46 | Gh0sty | are there any tools to make it stop memleaking or using more mem than it can handle? |
| 11:05.48 | qwazix810 | so we have a full fast open browser |
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| 11:06.03 | Gh0sty | rebooting the n900 stays necessary after a week or so ( |
| 11:06.09 | freemangordon | qwazix810: we don't need to replace ui for a gecko replacement |
| 11:06.27 | Gh0sty | some friend even sold it since he said picking up phonecalls gets impossible if you leave it on for a month ... |
| 11:06.35 | qwazix810 | I know, I was just saying, for the sake of openness |
| 11:06.47 | freemangordon | Gh0sty: care to share which firmware/CSSU is that? |
| 11:06.59 | luca_ | _berto_: thanks, it worked! |
| 11:07.11 | qwazix810 | Gh0sty, you have to see my N9. Needs every day reboot |
| 11:07.12 | Gh0sty | the latest and greatest pr 1.3 with the community updates, a power kernel ... |
| 11:07.33 | Gh0sty | have swapolube on it too |
| 11:07.43 | Gh0sty | but seems even maemo forgets stuff after it reboots |
| 11:07.52 | Gh0sty | recently mine starts locking again after a reboot |
| 11:08.03 | Gh0sty | while in the settings auto locking is disabled?!? |
| 11:08.10 | freemangordon | Gh0sty: either you have some crappy SW installed which eats your RAM, or you need to move your swap to uSD |
| 11:08.26 | freemangordon | after a while swap gets fragmented |
| 11:08.34 | Gh0sty | how do you move swap to uSD? |
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| 11:09.15 | freemangordon | Gh0sty: use your favourite search engine :P |
| 11:09.19 | Gh0sty | think i once read something about that but that involved reinstalling the whole thing or something? :p |
| 11:09.24 | freemangordon | no |
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| 11:09.47 | Gh0sty | well guess it wouldnt be that more difficult than a normal linux |
| 11:09.58 | Gh0sty | create swap partition mkswap. swapon |
| 11:10.02 | freemangordon | just repartition your uSD, do mkswap on partition you dedicated for swap, do swapon ;) |
| 11:10.02 | Gh0sty | swapoff the other one :p |
| 11:10.08 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 11:10.30 | freemangordon | is off for lunch |
| 11:10.34 | Gh0sty | i sometimes tend to forget its not windows, you dont need to be a brainsurgion to understand it :P |
| 11:10.47 | qwazix810 | i dont know if its kcssu related but after plugging in, my battery icon shows false values until I reboot |
| 11:11.19 | qwazix810 | I mean plugging in for a little while |
| 11:12.00 | qwazix810 | it shows almost full now, and I know that it should be around 30% |
| 11:12.16 | kerio | BME silliness maybe? |
| 11:12.26 | kerio | were you using kernel-power before? |
| 11:12.40 | kerio | also try shutting down, removing the battery for a couple of seconds and putting it back in |
| 11:12.47 | kerio | it resets one of the battery chips, can't remember which one |
| 11:12.51 | qwazix810 | always, since v46 |
| 11:13.16 | qwazix810 | basically since mobile hotspot was out |
| 11:13.33 | qwazix810 | kerio, ill try |
| 11:13.38 | qwazix810 | gtg now |
| 11:13.42 | qwazix810 | bbl |
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| 12:04.34 | jonwil | I am looking for someone who has a N900 who can try something for me by typing in (in xterm or ssh) sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/wlan-chanel and tell me if you see something that isn' |
| 12:04.39 | jonwil | isn't FCC |
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| 12:34.25 | bennypr0fane | hello. I'd like to update Maemo from kp 50 to 51. I was wondering if this will mess with U-Boot? |
| 12:36.01 | kerio | most definetely |
| 12:36.12 | kerio | actually maybe not |
| 12:36.17 | kerio | is it the bundled kernel? |
| 12:36.31 | bennypr0fane | I'm not sure which version of U-Boot I have installed right now, Pali edited the first post of U-Boot thread since I installed it... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 12:36.42 | bennypr0fane | bundled with what? |
| 12:36.58 | kerio | uboot on the n900 usually has the kernel "embedded" in the image too |
| 12:37.06 | kerio | so you can either load that or a kernel from somewhere else |
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| 12:38.13 | kerio | what do you need uboot for, btw? |
| 12:38.25 | bennypr0fane | yes, When I installed U-Boot it flashed the strock kernel to nand |
| 12:39.01 | bennypr0fane | but I have kp50 too |
| 12:39.11 | bennypr0fane | Pali gave me instructions |
| 12:39.14 | kerio | installed as a -bootimg? |
| 12:39.28 | bennypr0fane | I think so, need to check... |
| 12:39.37 | kerio | apt-cache policy kernel-power-bootimg |
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| 12:39.57 | bennypr0fane | I want U-Boot to be able to boot Nemo from Sdcard |
| 12:40.20 | kerio | i see |
| 12:40.51 | kerio | why do you hate fremantle? :'( |
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| 12:41.13 | bennypr0fane | I DON'T |
| 12:41.21 | bennypr0fane | what would make you think thaT? |
| 12:41.47 | bennypr0fane | ...I'm just not satisfied with portrait mode... |
| 12:42.06 | bennypr0fane | and curious about what's coming! :-) |
| 12:42.17 | kerio | what's coming is more fremantle! |
| 12:42.22 | kerio | anyway, wait for Pali |
| 12:42.23 | bennypr0fane | I sure hope so! |
| 12:42.25 | kerio | he's here often |
| 12:42.41 | kerio | in the meantime, install cssu! |
| 12:42.59 | bennypr0fane | I'm running TEsting |
| 12:43.37 | bennypr0fane | But I want the super-fast transitions with forced rotation enabled |
| 12:43.55 | bennypr0fane | Haven't found the perfect combo yet |
| 12:44.14 | bennypr0fane | older work on transition didn't support CSSU |
| 12:44.39 | bennypr0fane | now there's a whole bunch of transition mods out there |
| 12:44.39 | kerio | 1) portrait is bad and you should feel bad |
| 12:44.49 | kerio | 2) transitions.ini is still the same, so why shouldn't it work? |
| 12:45.05 | bennypr0fane | still testing what suits me best |
| 12:45.18 | bennypr0fane | what do you mean "portrait is bad"? |
| 12:45.25 | bennypr0fane | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 12:45.35 | kerio | it's evil! |
| 12:45.39 | kerio | it was sent here by the devil! |
| 12:45.43 | bennypr0fane | you're evil |
| 12:45.49 | bennypr0fane | :-D |
| 12:45.52 | kerio | and the n900 is a bit too bulky for it to be comfortable for me |
| 12:45.55 | kerio | so clearly it's wrong |
| 12:45.57 | bennypr0fane | what the hell man? |
| 12:46.45 | bennypr0fane | decent one-handed operation would make this device complete for me |
| 12:47.42 | bennypr0fane | there's just a lot of situations for me , where I'd like to shoot off a quick sms or select a funky track from the media player |
| 12:47.47 | bennypr0fane | with just one hand! |
| 12:47.49 | kerio | bennypr0fane: OMP supports portrait |
| 12:47.55 | kerio | pretty well |
| 12:47.55 | bennypr0fane | I know |
| 12:48.00 | kerio | yay! |
| 12:48.01 | bennypr0fane | got it installed |
| 12:48.19 | kerio | actually, i think that forcing everything to portrait will still set stuff in landscape when the keyboard is open |
| 12:48.30 | kerio | so you'd get the best of both worlds, so to speak |
| 12:48.48 | bennypr0fane | But they are never gonna bless N900 with a real portrait vkb |
| 12:48.50 | kerio | (that's how i set the Phone app on my n900, because the accelerometer is annoying) |
| 12:49.00 | kerio | of course not, vkbs are also evil |
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| 12:49.08 | freemangordon | bennypr0fane: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 12:49.08 | kerio | and it's really, really hard to make a good one |
| 12:49.15 | bennypr0fane | Oh, sure. I forgot about that |
| 12:49.22 | bennypr0fane | They ARE evil |
| 12:49.50 | kerio | i wonder if the opera mobile portrait kbd can be "extracted" to work on other stuff too |
| 12:50.03 | bennypr0fane | btw Pali doesn't mention anything about the kp 51 meesing up U-Boot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 |
| 12:50.27 | bennypr0fane | it's more evil than the CSSU pseudo vkb! |
| 12:50.41 | bennypr0fane | I mean the one from Oper mobile |
| 12:51.36 | bennypr0fane | It just says to install U-Boot (done) and then install kernel-power? |
| 12:52.51 | bennypr0fane | after I have this up and running, I'll get USB HOST MODE! 8-) |
| 12:53.11 | kerio | (-8 |
| 12:53.11 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.18 | kerio | h-e-n works with kp50 too |
| 12:53.24 | bennypr0fane | Opera Mobile is closed source |
| 12:53.31 | bennypr0fane | what is h-e-n? |
| 12:53.41 | freemangordon | ~h-e-n |
| 12:53.41 | infobot | do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ |
| 12:53.52 | freemangordon | ~hostmode |
| 12:53.52 | infobot | [hostmode] piece of crap written by morons to fry other people's devices! beware! |
| 12:53.59 | freemangordon | ~hen |
| 12:53.59 | infobot | do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ |
| 12:54.09 | freemangordon | ~fuck yourself |
| 12:54.32 | bennypr0fane | nice dialog, infobot and freemangordon! |
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| 12:55.08 | bennypr0fane | who is that "warning" actually coming from? |
| 12:56.35 | bennypr0fane | it's Pali who announced (and made?) USB hostmode. Maemo Council hates Pali? |
| 12:56.56 | kerio | bennypr0fane: wait, what? |
| 12:56.56 | kerio | no |
| 12:56.58 | kerio | hostmode-gui |
| 12:57.05 | kerio | it was there since a long time ago |
| 12:57.32 | freemangordon | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hostmode-gui/0.2-2/ |
| 12:58.01 | bennypr0fane | what about hostmode-gui? |
| 12:59.03 | bennypr0fane | "Maintainers: |
| 12:59.03 | bennypr0fane | Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh" |
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| 13:00.10 | bennypr0fane | Guys, it never stops confusing me how people get dissed in this channel and there's no sign of this kind of controversy on TMO... |
| 13:00.19 | kerio | bennypr0fane: 'twas a joke |
| 13:00.27 | bennypr0fane | it's a funny, strange little world |
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| 13:00.38 | bennypr0fane | what? by the infobot? |
| 13:01.00 | freemangordon | bennypr0fane: h-e-n is hostmode-gui |
| 13:01.19 | freemangordon | there is a recent package Made by Pali, which is aimed to replace it |
| 13:02.03 | freemangordon | bennypr0fane: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85658 |
| 13:02.12 | freemangordon | didn't tried it though |
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| 13:02.40 | bennypr0fane | ...and "!!Note that pre release kp51 does not provides kernel-feature-usbhost-new!!" |
| 13:03.25 | bennypr0fane | haven't tried hostmode yet either |
| 13:03.33 | bennypr0fane | old one neither |
| 13:03.59 | bennypr0fane | I was waiting for a stable solution |
| 13:04.13 | bennypr0fane | time has come no, I hope? |
| 13:04.18 | bennypr0fane | *now |
| 13:06.30 | bennypr0fane | freemangordon, you have any idea, whether or not installing kp51 will kill UBoot? |
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| 13:07.30 | kerio | bennypr0fane: "stable", lol |
| 13:11.42 | bennypr0fane | kerio It no say "beta" or "testing", no warnings whatsoever |
| 13:13.03 | bennypr0fane | no idea, how you define stable. If not in extras-testing, extras-devel, or explicitly labbelled alpha/beta, and coming from a trustworthy source, I'll assume it's stable |
| 13:13.08 | kerio | well, it works properly for a lot of people |
| 13:13.59 | freemangordon | bennypr0fane: depends on which kernel has u-boot embedded in |
| 13:15.06 | bennypr0fane | my v of U-Boot has stock kernel embedded |
| 13:15.14 | bennypr0fane | I think |
| 13:16.29 | bennypr0fane | updated kp in HAM. at reboot, U-Boot is still there, but kp is still v.50 :-( |
| 13:17.26 | freemangordon | you need kernel-power-bootimg |
| 13:17.54 | bennypr0fane | is that in extraS? |
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| 13:18.55 | qwazix_900 | jonwil: etsi/eu |
| 13:19.17 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: fennec is in the repo |
| 13:19.30 | bennypr0fane | right. I hate it when I read stuff wrong/overread it. :-/ |
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| 13:20.37 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: but you should install libqtm-12 by hand |
| 13:20.57 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: downloading asap :) |
| 13:21.08 | freemangordon | :) |
| 13:23.55 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: 17a1thumb0? |
| 13:24.05 | freemangordon | yep |
| 13:24.10 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: ok |
| 13:28.06 | bennypr0fane | I have an apt-get update problem. "W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 RElease (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) Any idea what this means? |
| 13:29.52 | bennypr0fane | "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" except, apt-get update is what produced this output :-$ |
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| 13:51.50 | qwazix | wow, windows phone 8 can take screenshots |
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| 14:02.07 | qwazix | freemangordon, fennec is very good, but memory footprint is huge. Now it's on 190MB with two tabs open. |
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| 14:02.46 | kerio | qwazix: wat |
| 14:02.49 | kerio | that's... not good |
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| 14:04.59 | qwazix | kerio, I've tried virtually every fennec version on any device I got that fennec can run on, and this is the only one that's usable (even on dual core androids, fennec is... bad, to put it politely) |
| 14:05.33 | kerio | qwazix: but even considering buffers and cache, i only have 90mb of free ram now D: |
| 14:05.35 | qwazix | (except N810, i fear I don't want to see what happens) |
| 14:05.44 | zeq | After spending far too many hours trying to integrate a modern QEMU into SB, I think I've come to realise why SB1 development was abandoned in favour of SB2. |
| 14:06.03 | qwazix | htop now shows 220M VIRT on fennec |
| 14:06.18 | kerio | oh firefox, you so silly |
| 14:06.32 | vi_ | qwazix: what version are you referring to? |
| 14:06.39 | qwazix | 17a1 |
| 14:06.55 | vi_ | on what device? |
| 14:07.08 | qwazix | N900 |
| 14:07.28 | qwazix | freemangordon's and zeq's fennec |
| 14:08.01 | kerio | qwazix: oh, was it pushed to community-thumb? |
| 14:08.17 | vi_ | qwazix: where?? |
| 14:08.32 | qwazix | yep, there |
| 14:11.20 | qwazix | anyone got an egg? I can fry one on my N900 now... |
| 14:12.48 | vi_ | qwazix: because of fennec? |
| 14:14.16 | qwazix | probably, but I'm crash-testing it, I opened the most js/img heavy sites I've made to see what happens |
| 14:14.45 | qwazix | it has slowed down but it's still responding |
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| 14:27.59 | vi_ | fennec is a hungry boy| |
| 14:28.01 | vi_ | ! |
| 14:29.04 | vi_ | it ate ALL my rams |
| 14:29.51 | qwazix | and it didn't quit with the x button. I had to killall it to get rid of the process |
| 14:30.23 | zeq | about:memory |
| 14:30.55 | qwazix | w8 |
| 14:31.51 | vi_ | ###################################### forms.js loaded |
| 14:31.52 | vi_ | ###################################### content loaded |
| 14:31.52 | vi_ | ###################################### forms.js loaded |
| 14:31.52 | vi_ | ###################################### content loaded |
| 14:31.52 | vi_ | creating 1! |
| 14:31.54 | vi_ | [TabChild] SHOW (w,h)= (0, 0) |
| 14:31.56 | vi_ | Segmentation fault |
| 14:32.00 | vi_ | lame |
| 14:32.27 | zeq | :( |
| 14:32.46 | zeq | probably swapping |
| 14:33.08 | qwazix | about:memory started with 45mb |
| 14:33.09 | zeq | about:memory should show where it's going |
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| 14:33.29 | qwazix | now I'm opening a few tabs to see what's happening |
| 14:35.19 | vi_ | what do you mean swapping? |
| 14:35.21 | qwazix | zeq, which one is total mem used? |
| 14:36.14 | zeq | vi_: I mean the process wasn't sufficiently resident to be quit in reasonable time |
| 14:37.56 | vi_ | Removing fennec ... |
| 14:37.56 | vi_ | dpkg: error processing fennec (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 14:37.59 | vi_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:38.01 | vi_ | Errors were encountered while processing: fennec |
| 14:38.19 | vi_ | seems to be a problem with the uninstall script as well. |
| 14:38.19 | zeq | qwazix: I don't know |
| 14:38.46 | qwazix | zeq, should html5 (webm) videos work or not? |
| 14:39.20 | qwazix | zeq, memory sizes @about:memory seem reazonable, except a vsize one that is 140M |
| 14:39.22 | zeq | qwazix: they don't work for me last time I tried. |
| 14:39.30 | zeq | well, they try to work |
| 14:39.44 | zeq | but the video isn't updated properly |
| 14:40.05 | qwazix | ok, good to know |
| 14:43.57 | qwazix | after hitting minimize memory usage, things seem better |
| 14:44.31 | vi_ | zeq: deleting ~/mozilla/fennec/* has fixed the seg faulting. |
| 14:44.46 | vi_ | however it does not want to apt-get remove. |
| 14:45.38 | zeq | vi_: I've noticed something gets left in an unrecoverable state in .mozilla/fennec after crashes |
| 14:46.29 | qwazix | is that (reduce memory usage) a flag? or is it a one-off cache flush? If it is a flag maybe we can have it always on considering the lack of ram on N900? |
| 14:46.53 | zeq | NFC |
| 14:47.15 | vi_ | zeq: perhaps somthing is created with the wrong permissions and cannot be overwritten. |
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| 14:55.39 | qwazix | vi_, don't uninstall just yet, after a bit of use it's become a lot more fluid. It's pretty fast now with 3 heavy tabs open. It still eats your ram though |
| 14:56.55 | vi_ | qwazix: It closed happily with the x button for me. |
| 14:58.11 | qwazix | check htop, no fennec process there? |
| 14:59.45 | vi_ | qwazix: nope |
| 15:00.13 | qwazix | hmmm, ok suppose it was just one of those things that happen once in a while |
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| 15:02.08 | qwazix | I still believe that xul is to blame for all that slowness |
| 15:02.40 | qwazix | vi_, yep now it quit normally here too |
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| 15:21.29 | qwazix | talking about fennec, I installed fennec1.1 on the N810, and it is faster than fennec ever was on the N900 (except this thumb version now, and it's near). Maybe this info will help you find a cause of the slowness. |
| 15:25.28 | vi_ | maybe the gecko engine was just not meant to be run on arm. |
| 15:26.21 | vi_ | runs fine, even with 96mb compcache. |
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| 15:27.31 | qwazix | but N810 is still arm no? |
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| 15:48.01 | kerio | fennec1.1 will probably run really quickly on the n900 too |
| 15:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: sure N810 is ARM |
| 15:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: even OMAP |
| 15:50.21 | qwazix | kerio, I was there when it was released, you couldn't call that quickly without all the worlds sugar coating |
| 15:51.20 | qwazix | the only barely usable fennec on the N900 till now was 8-9 and that wasn't a joy to use |
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| 15:52.02 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05: that's what I thought, so the processor shouldn't be the problem |
| 15:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if N810 OMAP2 might actually be faster on thumb than N900 OMAP3 with the SiErr-workaround it needs |
| 15:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | waiting for shitstorm rising |
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| 16:03.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh you ;) |
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| 16:13.03 | Estel_ | For sure it doesn't make battery exploding |
| 16:13.06 | Estel_ | morning, guys :) |
| 16:13.39 | Estel_ | qwazix, does fennec have some kind of cursor mode? or mozilla failed to provide it after 12 versions? |
| 16:14.07 | qwazix | nothing I'm aware of, except long tap to select text |
| 16:14.15 | MohammadAG | what's a RegExp that'd match "http://www.facebook.com/*/posts/*" |
| 16:14.19 | MohammadAG | for use with QRegExp |
| 16:14.23 | Estel_ | hm, virtual memory is, most of the time, assigned to swap, and assignmed is bad word - it's jsut "reserved". It shouldn't be much of a problem, although of course, "minimize memory usage" reduces that too |
| 16:14.38 | Estel_ | qwazix, and when external mouse is connected? |
| 16:14.49 | Estel_ | generic Maemo's cursor does work, or is ignored like in microB Ui? |
| 16:15.15 | qwazix | Estel_, don't know but freemangordon says it works just like the cursor is your finger |
| 16:15.41 | Estel_ | doesn't sound bad, after all.for what else, except highlighting text, we need cursor? |
| 16:15.47 | Estel_ | right click is possible, yep? |
| 16:15.53 | Estel_ | (as long press) |
| 16:16.25 | Estel_ | btw it would be great to add some keyboard shortcut to automatically go into highlight mode |
| 16:16.41 | Estel_ | and another one to automatically invoke context menu like with long press :D |
| 16:16.49 | freemangordon | qwazix: fennec has two processes opened, fennec and plugin-container, both eating equal amount of RAM |
| 16:16.50 | Estel_ | usability on N900 goes up by 100% |
| 16:17.06 | Estel_ | freemangordon, do you consider it easidly doable? |
| 16:17.22 | Estel_ | (adding keyboard shortcut or keyboard shortcut + tap as instant-long-press-menu activator?) |
| 16:17.32 | freemangordon | Estel_: it is pontless if we don't reduce memory usage |
| 16:17.37 | Estel_ | any ideas, for what we would need cursor mode, otherwise? |
| 16:17.42 | qwazix | MohammadAG, http:\/\/www\.facebook\.com\/[^\/]*\/posts\/.* |
| 16:17.52 | Estel_ | freemangordon, sure, but AFAIK real memory used is OK |
| 16:17.55 | Estel_ | it's only virtual memory |
| 16:18.01 | freemangordon | Estel_: no, it is not |
| 16:18.05 | freemangordon | it s RSS |
| 16:18.06 | Estel_ | and qwazix said hitting "minimize memory usage" flag makes it OK |
| 16:18.09 | Estel_ | ah |
| 16:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: your "running gags" (if they are even meant as such) are so damn lame I consider putting you on my ignore list again |
| 16:18.35 | qwazix | Estel_, hovering, and dragging (or using things like svgedit) |
| 16:18.41 | Estel_ | well, do we even know what cause such memory usage? was it the same before maemo patches? |
| 16:19.06 | freemangordon | Estel_: do you have mozilla on your desktop? |
| 16:19.10 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, well, everyone is free to do so, but is kinda childlish from your side - like You're very overreactive about Your own self :) |
| 16:19.16 | qwazix | Estel_, 170mb VIRT is not ok, but it makes it usable, if it's the only app running |
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| 16:19.55 | Estel_ | I don't go berseker when you openly attack me, like in times of battery exploding discussion, and You're mad about some little " ;) " aimed and some random nonsense, without even mentioning Your name? Chillout, DocScrutinizer |
| 16:19.58 | freemangordon | the other problem it that it takes ages to load even google |
| 16:20.04 | Estel_ | freemangordon, yea, I do |
| 16:20.14 | zeq | freemangordon: have you tried without any plugins? |
| 16:20.24 | freemangordon | well, check memory usage, it does not have maemo patches :P |
| 16:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, consider what's more childish, a lame meme ala "and by the way kartago needs to get destroyed" that annoys and bores everybody, or the reaction on that which is add ing you to /ignore |
| 16:20.47 | freemangordon | zeq: plugins? |
| 16:20.49 | Estel_ | freemangordon, my firefox on desktop, having 15 tabs open, uses 93 memory total, including virtual |
| 16:20.58 | qwazix | freemangordon, I noticed that, it's like I had slow dns, (i do have slow dns from time to time so I didn't mention it) |
| 16:21.01 | Estel_ | or not |
| 16:21.04 | Estel_ | 93 is private memory |
| 16:21.21 | zeq | freemangordon: plugin-container should just be for containing nsplugins |
| 16:21.25 | freemangordon | qwazix: there is even a bug opened |
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| 16:21.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and please quote "I openly atacked you during any discussion of last 24h" or live with attribute "liar" |
| 16:21.40 | zeq | I'm just wondering why it gets so big |
| 16:21.42 | freemangordon | zeq: I'm afraid no, it is used for everything |
| 16:21.58 | freemangordon | I don't have plugins.enabled to true |
| 16:22.00 | zeq | poorly named? |
| 16:22.06 | freemangordon | could be |
| 16:22.23 | MohammadAG | qwazix, thanks :D |
| 16:22.32 | qwazix | np |
| 16:22.33 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I think quoting discussion from last 24 h is more boring to "audience" and could be done in private channel, but if You insist - when I asked for arguments about overclocking leading to exploding battery, you called me troll ;) |
| 16:22.53 | Estel_ | but DocScrutinizer, seriously, do whatever please You, if You need to add me to ignore list, just do it, without need to pre-announce |
| 16:23.02 | zeq | freemangordon: have you brought up the memory usage on #mobile? |
| 16:23.05 | Estel_ | I'm quite tired of Your overreactivity, so do what pleases You |
| 16:23.12 | bindi | can I make my n900 into an ip cam? |
| 16:23.16 | Estel_ | can we push it into private query or end here? |
| 16:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: count posts of me and you, then tell me who of us both is overreacting and perpetuating (intended) insulting meme and flooding the channel |
| 16:24.50 | qwazix | I installed firefox sync on microb. And it stays there (I had tried years ago and it succeeded but was nowhere to be found after restart). The problem is the preferences page doesn't show up ok. The text-edits are missing and I can see only connect/disconnect/syncnow buttons |
| 16:25.03 | qwazix | anybody knows about xul? |
| 16:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | my posts count been around 5, which was enough for you to flood the channel with liteally hundereds of "replies" |
| 16:25.10 | Estel_ | probably equally, especially when I'm begging - use query! it's of no interest to anyone else here, except us two |
| 16:25.21 | freemangordon | zeq: no, I am still waiting you to fill all of the bug requests :) |
| 16:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not even stopping 24h later |
| 16:25.45 | Estel_ | unless you like to argue in public for sake of arguing, we can easily talk it out on private channel |
| 16:25.55 | freemangordon | zeq: and to confirm that ! does not make any difference in maemo5 |
| 16:25.57 | freemangordon | :P |
| 16:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not interested in *any* talking with you about such BS |
| 16:26.15 | zeq | freemangordon: I get distracted too easily :/ |
| 16:26.39 | zeq | wasted far too much time on qemu/sb this weekend :( |
| 16:26.59 | freemangordon | zeq: yeah, i see, that is why I remind you from time to time :D:D:D |
| 16:27.09 | qwazix | Interesting, microb is recognized as fennec by sync... I wonder how much fennec code is based on microb |
| 16:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just informing you that your style already is concieved intentionally provocing and offensive |
| 16:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka trolling |
| 16:27.27 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, so just stfu? It looks msierably between al prollductive talk lines other people are doing here. After all, you msut learn to live with small and innocent jokes like "exploding battery due to OC" - such things remain in memory, without any negative stance against You :) |
| 16:27.46 | freemangordon | qwazix: microb IS fennec, i.e. gecko |
| 16:28.15 | Estel_ | freemangordon, You've said we have everything we need to replace gecko engine behind microB |
| 16:28.22 | Estel_ | do you mean replacing it with fennec backend? |
| 16:28.28 | Estel_ | or separate project? |
| 16:28.29 | qwazix | I mean the sync.xpi, has a switch clause somewhere and does a on fennec and b on regular firefox |
| 16:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: sorry I don't buy your innocent mindset here |
| 16:28.45 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, no problem, I can live with that :) can you? |
| 16:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you've proven several times too often what your real intentions are |
| 16:28.53 | qwazix | microb executes the fennec part of the code (or so it seems) |
| 16:29.09 | freemangordon | zeq: seriously, lets finish that until romaxa still have interest in helping us. We do't have any chance without him |
| 16:29.22 | freemangordon | s/until/wjile/ |
| 16:29.56 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, sure. My real intentions are to dig Your everwhitstanding authority via sneaky and sub-consciounesly reminding absurdish nonsenses You've picked, like battery exploding due to OC. Happy now? |
| 16:30.02 | zeq | has freemangordon says, microb and fennec are the same thing. microb just has a native UI, and is based on a version from a few years back. |
| 16:30.07 | NIN101 | how much both of you are getting paid for this ongoing comedy? DocScrutinizer Estel_ |
| 16:30.21 | Estel_ | NIN101, I got potato order |
| 16:30.21 | freemangordon | zeq: :nod: |
| 16:30.24 | Estel_ | I'm proud of it! |
| 16:30.39 | Estel_ | will make somke fried chips of it, later |
| 16:30.40 | zeq | s/has/as/ |
| 16:31.04 | freemangordon | well, there are a bunch of fixex from Nokia |
| 16:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just feel pissed about somebody pasting bullshit memes to provoke me while same time claiming my relies were oh-so-unproductive compared to his BS |
| 16:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | replies* |
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| 16:31.46 | Estel_ | wrong assumption - I don't want to provoke You, in fact, I haven't even though about You while writing about battery exploding :) Rather had such idiotic claim by someone on forum, in mind |
| 16:32.03 | Estel_ | I know, its hard to belive that I'm not thinking about You 24/7, but it's time to realize it |
| 16:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | bwahahaha suuuuure |
| 16:32.16 | freemangordon | guys, can't you just leave that for hours when noone reads but you |
| 16:32.32 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I was asking for 5 lines to bring it into private query, if necessary :P |
| 16:32.40 | qwazix | freemangordon, zeq, yeap, and I was wrong about the code block, it probably just crashes before it reaches there anyway |
| 16:32.43 | freemangordon | does not matter |
| 16:32.54 | freemangordon | Estel_: ^^^ |
| 16:33.17 | Estel_ | last time I checked, query wasn't read by anyone than participants |
| 16:33.42 | freemangordon | Estel_: then just query doc |
| 16:34.04 | freemangordon | if he does not respond, well, i think you will still have sound sleep |
| 16:34.23 | Estel_ | well, good idea, I didn't wanted to do so for someone who clearly replied that isn't interested in query - I felt "forcing" query a little offensive |
| 16:34.28 | Estel_ | but it seems unavoidable :) |
| 16:34.50 | Estel_ | true, my sleep is sometimes too sound ;() |
| 16:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: (<Estel_> freemangordon, I was asking for 5 lines to bring it into private query, if necessary :P) sure, but YOU decide it *is* necessary since you can't stop continuing on the topic anyway |
| 16:35.14 | Estel_ | ?query DocScrutinizer |
| 16:35.16 | Estel_ | ops |
| 16:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't even bother, i told you i'm not interested |
| 16:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | just STFU |
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| 16:38.14 | vi_ | well that was fun. |
| 16:38.19 | vi_ | anyway... |
| 16:38.21 | Estel_ | freemangordon, but considering that microB ui is closed, how do You plan to make it utilize updated features fennec provide? |
| 16:38.30 | vi_ | zeq: ! |
| 16:38.34 | vi_ | freemangordon: ! |
| 16:38.40 | Estel_ | vi_, ! |
| 16:39.00 | freemangordon | zeq: after all it seems "if (mIsTopLevel || mListenForResizes) {" behaves in the same way as "if (!mIsTopLevel || mListenForResizes) {" |
| 16:39.03 | vi_ | Thankyou for this marvellous fennec update. Your hardwork is appreciated by all. |
| 16:39.06 | freemangordon | on maemo5 that is |
| 16:39.08 | Estel_ | I mean, are we sure that it is compatible at all? No changed invokes, function name,s etc? |
| 16:39.23 | freemangordon | Estel_: of course it is not compatible |
| 16:39.42 | freemangordon | that is why Nokia invented eal |
| 16:39.54 | freemangordon | stands for engine abstraction layer |
| 16:40.06 | Estel_ | uh, translator? |
| 16:40.09 | freemangordon | and it is the layer we can implement |
| 16:40.10 | zeq | freemangordon: have you tried applying the microb patches to a newer xulrunner? |
| 16:40.10 | freemangordon | yes |
| 16:40.12 | Estel_ | i mean, it translates calls? |
| 16:40.21 | Estel_ | wow, sounds nice |
| 16:40.54 | Estel_ | now we *only* need to find out, why gecko from microB uses reasonable ammount of RAM, and gecko from current fennec used 20x more for same task ;) |
| 16:41.10 | Estel_ | but, but, using microBUi mean, that we still won't be able to properly use add-ons :( |
| 16:41.19 | freemangordon | Estel_: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/browser_paper.html |
| 16:41.39 | freemangordon | zeq: no i didn't |
| 16:41.39 | Estel_ | even now it is possible to install ones comaptible with current gecko engine, but they're unusable due to gui not implementing extensibility |
| 16:41.45 | Estel_ | thansk a lot *reading* |
| 16:42.29 | Estel_ | OTOH, we could use fennec UI and microbUi on the same device, i.e. use microB when we need it's capabilities like cursor mode, and fennec UJI when we need usage of extensions, yes? |
| 16:42.33 | Estel_ | or tabs |
| 16:42.39 | Estel_ | or anything that is implemented in UI |
| 16:42.41 | Estel_ | correct? |
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| 16:43.49 | zeq | Estel_: in theory |
| 16:44.33 | freemangordon | zeq: would you comment on the bugtracker, that it seems the change is not needed. After all we can always open a new bug |
| 16:44.58 | freemangordon | i will ping romaxa |
| 16:45.25 | Estel_ | honestly, main problem I have with microB, isn't in it's capabilities due to underlying engine, but with tab-less Ui, and impossibility of adding such things as lazarus form recovery, or spell checker, or... |
| 16:45.49 | Estel_ | of course it's my private point of view |
| 16:47.21 | Estel_ | don't want to sound like negatron, as Your work on freenec is wonderful, but considering how well chromikum behaves even through Ed, I wonder if proper Maemo port wouldn't be more effective. I'm sceptical about possibility of teaching mozzila to eat less RAM |
| 16:47.25 | Estel_ | just thoughts |
| 16:47.47 | zeq | freemangordon: will do |
| 16:48.02 | freemangordon | zeq: thanks |
| 16:49.00 | Estel_ | freemangordon, zeq, we don't have any chance of kicking out microB UI, due to bounds with other Maemo components? |
| 16:50.01 | freemangordon | Estel_: primary goal is to have fully functinal fennec which does not bring n900 to its knees. |
| 16:50.13 | freemangordon | once we have it, we'll see |
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| 16:50.25 | qwazix | I managed to run the sync setup wizard on microb, which completes successfully but then nothing happens... |
| 16:50.45 | freemangordon | qwazix: sync is supposed to work on fennec |
| 16:50.58 | qwazix | yeah on fennec it works perfectly |
| 16:52.07 | vi_ | one odd bug on fennec. arrow keys do not work in google.com text fields. |
| 16:52.38 | Estel_ | freemangordon, sounds sane |
| 16:52.42 | freemangordon | vi_: yeah, fennec does some craxy keyboard remapping, mainly because maemo6 |
| 16:52.53 | Estel_ | brb, or I will be left without food and water :P |
| 16:52.53 | qwazix | Don't know if it is relevant but arrows don't work at all on harmattan fennec |
| 16:52.58 | vi_ | fuck maemo 6. |
| 16:53.05 | freemangordon | we'll get rid of it once major issues (speed and RAM usage are fixed) |
| 16:53.48 | Estel_ | vi_, You asked how to enjoy n900 if You need to keep it into safe - well, i'm buying leather otterbox for it, already ordered screen protector, and cut one for camera too, from bigger one |
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| 16:54.27 | Estel_ | also, DIY'ing wonderfull capacitive stylus for precision. sure, it still will sux compared to normal stylus on resistive screen, but will be orders of magnitude better than any normal capacitive stylus available for purchase |
| 16:54.52 | Estel_ | run to shop |
| 16:57.38 | freemangordon | zeq: going to look at microb patches to see if there is something useful |
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| 16:59.08 | RiD | freemangordon you nickalerted me? |
| 16:59.08 | RiD | ah nevermind. "we'll get rid of it" |
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| 17:00.26 | bennypr0fane | hello, I updated my kp50 to kp51. it's in a bootimage in U-Boot. I can't boot it though, only the stock kernel |
| 17:01.09 | bennypr0fane | the screen goes black after it says "starting kernel" |
| 17:01.19 | bennypr0fane | ..and powers off |
| 17:01.36 | bennypr0fane | how can I diagnose what's wrong? |
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| 17:06.36 | bennypr0fane | has Pali been sighted here today? |
| 17:07.59 | vi_ | bennypr0fane: have you tried reinstalling it? |
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| 17:12.46 | bennypr0fane | not yet |
| 17:13.03 | bennypr0fane | you mean, remove first adn then reinstall |
| 17:13.14 | zeq | freemangordon: there certainly are interesting sounding patches, but who knows what applies anymore. |
| 17:14.05 | bennypr0fane | maybe there's a problem with uboot |
| 17:15.59 | vi_ | bennypr0fane: It works for everyone else. |
| 17:16.19 | vi_ | bennypr0fane: have you tried disabling the watchdogs? |
| 17:16.48 | bennypr0fane | watchdogS? |
| 17:16.53 | bennypr0fane | what'S that? |
| 17:19.09 | vi_ | use Flasher to enter R&D mode with no watchdogs flag. |
| 17:19.27 | bennypr0fane | I'm in R&D mode |
| 17:19.48 | vi_ | then set the no watchdogs flag. |
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| 17:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: I'd suspect kernelmodule issue |
| 17:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or corrupted kernel image |
| 17:24.14 | bennypr0fane | vi_ How do I set the flags? |
| 17:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher --help |
| 17:25.09 | bennypr0fane | and how to remove kernel-power-bootimg? Is it safe to just uninstall it with apt-get/HAM? |
| 17:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to enable R&D mode, and set --no-*wd flags |
| 17:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | bennypr0fane: should be safe aiui, since it's just a set of files on your filesystem when you didn't boot to that kernel |
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| 17:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot config however might not revert to previous state, dunno about how this config gets handled by installation of additional kernel-*-bootimg |
| 17:28.00 | bennypr0fane | In kp announcement thread it says never uninstall kernel power packages, only remove via menu entry "Nokia Kernel", but I don't have that I the menu, so I guess that warning does not apply to kp in bootimg? |
| 17:28.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | bennypr0fane: your first and best bet would be to compare md5sum of the kernel-power-bootimg, and check size and files of modules dir |
| 17:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | bennypr0fane: that applies when you flash KP as your primary kernel - that's not how uBoot works |
| 17:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course you never should remove any kernel parts of the kernel you just booted from |
| 17:30.45 | bennypr0fane | DocScrutinizer05: now I booted from stock kernel |
| 17:31.22 | bennypr0fane | DocScrutinizer05: you wouldn't jhappen to know where the bootimg is located? |
| 17:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you're basically free to do to kernel-power-bootimg whatever you like |
| 17:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, nope |
| 17:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but virtually everybody else in here should be able to tell you |
| 17:32.16 | bennypr0fane | then I guess I'll just ry and reinstall it first |
| 17:32.43 | bennypr0fane | crap. this shell doesn't have "whereis" |
| 17:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | bennypr0fane: check free space on / |
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| 17:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | df -h /lib/modules |
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| 17:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | moves 48MB syslog out of /var/log, to cure the 98% used misery |
| 17:37.08 | bennypr0fane | DocScrutinizer05 wow, your device must be stuffed! |
| 17:38.28 | bennypr0fane | I have 72.7MB available |
| 17:39.38 | bennypr0fane | removed kernel-power-bootimg. does make sense to just reinstall it right now, or do I need to do anything else first? |
| 17:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so lack of free space is no explanation for a possibly missing install of /lib/midules/*PK*/* |
| 17:40.04 | bennypr0fane | *removed it via apt-get |
| 17:40.20 | bennypr0fane | should I reboot? |
| 17:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | reinstall I'd say |
| 17:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no need to reboot |
| 17:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.57 | bennypr0fane | It removed kernel-power-settings before, but it doesn't want to reinstall that now |
| 17:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I have no uBoot install here, so I can't check what's the supposed dir/file names and sizes |
| 17:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummpf, yesterday I heard it allegedly vanished from repo |
| 17:42.56 | bennypr0fane | If only this kind of info wasn't so complicated to dig up from maemo.org |
| 17:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should check your catalogs, and use HAM to install kernels etc system stuff |
| 17:44.59 | bennypr0fane | I did have a problem with the repos before |
| 17:45.08 | bennypr0fane | But couldn't make sense of it |
| 17:45.38 | bennypr0fane | when I apt-get update it says repo conflict-something |
| 17:46.29 | bennypr0fane | I did update in HAM before that though, and it was ok |
| 17:47.02 | bennypr0fane | just tried to boot kp51 now, still not happening :-( |
| 17:47.57 | bennypr0fane | bUt, this seems kp51 installed now, while before I think it was 51r1! |
| 17:49.08 | bennypr0fane | how can I check which version of uboot I'm running? |
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| 17:53.16 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, You've said that open kernel on N950 can't provide fully open device, as it already runs into bits closed by hardware parts |
| 17:53.26 | Estel_ | but, how Mer achieve restriction-free device, then? |
| 17:53.37 | Estel_ | in case of running n9/50 with Mer? |
| 17:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | mer simply doesn't use the locked bits |
| 17:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | when there's nothing in system checking the device lockcode, then you won't even notice you can't change the lockcode |
| 17:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's no aegisfs in system then it won't break |
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| 17:58.08 | bennypr0fane | here's my apt-get update fail: http://pastebin.com/DQxY1KgD |
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| 18:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your catalogs |
| 18:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | disable all those not needed for what you plan to do |
| 18:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (hint: ovi might be one of those) |
| 18:01.56 | bennypr0fane_ | what about extras-devel? |
| 18:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | disable, usually. Unless you plan to install something from there (hint: e.g. most recent PK) |
| 18:03.27 | bennypr0fane_ | fff HAM is taking forever |
| 18:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and disable CSSU-extras or whatever it's called, if you might have that |
| 18:03.44 | RiD|AFK | why do you even use HAM :( |
| 18:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | because we're dealing with kernel installs here |
| 18:04.28 | RiD|AFK | won't fapman do the same without issues? |
| 18:05.04 | RiD|AFK | well, i see what you mean. fapman catalogs are separate |
| 18:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, fapman is known to fail on exactly those critical installs, like powerkernel etc |
| 18:05.52 | RiD | lol. |
| 18:05.57 | RiD | hides in a corner |
| 18:06.10 | RiD | i used fapman on those installs |
| 18:06.46 | bennypr0fane_ | HAM is recommended or apt-get in the kp announcement threads |
| 18:07.17 | bennypr0fane_ | I dunno, this seems broken. catalogues are not loading |
| 18:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then use apt-get, but use HAM to enable/disable/define/delete catalogs |
| 18:07.38 | bennypr0fane_ | probably BCS of this issue |
| 18:07.48 | bennypr0fane_ | oh, there they are. took almost 3 mins |
| 18:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's almost fast for HAM |
| 18:08.35 | bennypr0fane_ | so which one DO I need for this? |
| 18:08.46 | bennypr0fane_ | and what's that issue even about? |
| 18:09.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know for sure what's the issue. But it's evidently something about repos/catalogs |
| 18:09.22 | bennypr0fane_ | I have only maemo.org and extras-testing, and Nokia enabled now |
| 18:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and disabling unneeded catalogs always is a very sane thing to do |
| 18:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | disable testing, enable extras-devel |
| 18:10.10 | bennypr0fane_ | but u think this is related to the kernel not booting? |
| 18:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | might |
| 18:10.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the kernel in testing for sure isn't what you planned to install |
| 18:11.02 | bennypr0fane_ | ok, it's updating. kp51 is in devel |
| 18:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | now install kp51 |
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| 18:12.28 | bennypr0fane_ | I've had an issue with repos like this (or the same one) before, but I can't remmeber what I did to fix it... |
| 18:13.04 | bennypr0fane_ | you mean install the regular one or bootimg? |
| 18:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably bootimg |
| 18:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | since aiui you want it to work under uBoot |
| 18:14.53 | bennypr0fane_ | Yes. that's not here in HAM though. In fact, first time I installed it with apt-get bcs of that |
| 18:15.40 | bennypr0fane_ | Here I have only the regular kp51 package, and boot img "for BFS user", whatever that is... |
| 18:15.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: does HAM always read sources.list and every .list in sources.list.d? |
| 18:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems so |
| 18:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the HAM specific version of it |
| 18:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 18:16.52 | bennypr0fane_ | I suspect Pali never put it in that repo or sth |
| 18:17.01 | kerio | shame, i really wanted to only leave the system repos enabled for HAM and only leave -devel and sdk for apt |
| 18:17.03 | kerio | oh well |
| 18:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible, so follow instructions on KP howto or tmo |
| 18:18.13 | bennypr0fane_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.34 | bennypr0fane_ | I'm guessing the bootimg didn't get that latest fix |
| 18:19.35 | bennypr0fane_ | "Changelog: |
| 18:19.35 | bennypr0fane_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.35 | bennypr0fane_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.54 | bennypr0fane_ | could that be it? If so, how to best alert Pali? |
| 18:23.58 | bennypr0fane_ | how to check the version number of a package? |
| 18:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait for pali to pop up here |
| 18:26.40 | bennypr0fane_ | it says I have the bootimg v. 51r1, so that's not it... :-( |
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| 18:27.37 | bennypr0fane_ | I guess I'm stumped for now... |
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| 18:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need pali I guess |
| 18:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or post a "bug report" to tmo thread |
| 18:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects some problems with kernel name vs uBoot config |
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| 18:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly related to what you'll see when you do ls - l /lib/modules |
| 18:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or (also maybe) related to depmod -a |
| 18:34.06 | Estel_ | OK, full backup of everything (tm) completed, i'm jumping into thumb2 bandwagon :) Prepare vine and hookers |
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| 18:58.32 | Raimu | Vine? Oh, you're taking the jump Tarzan way. Although I don't really recall whores in the books. I don't think this is canonical. :D |
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| 19:04.33 | Estel_ | ;) Strong Black Vine |
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| 19:05.25 | Estel_ | BTW, no whores! In presence of vine, hookers transform into elegant promiscuous vintage ladies |
| 19:05.31 | Estel_ | it's know chemical reaction, Ya know |
| 19:06.08 | Raimu | Wow. Never knew. ;p |
| 19:06.25 | Estel_ | but be sure to google for promiscuous translation, though |
| 19:07.07 | Estel_ | I got little question for sheeps using facebook, if you don't mind. There is possibility to send message to someone who is not inside Your 326r32475446325463253252 friends collection |
| 19:07.17 | Estel_ | but, are those messages delivery at all? Or redirected to /dev/null? |
| 19:07.33 | Estel_ | s/delivery/delivered/ |
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| 19:16.01 | Estel_ | Pali, ping |
| 19:16.07 | Estel_ | freemangordon, ping |
| 19:16.18 | EdLin | Estel_, I have anonymous messages blocked on my Facebook profile. |
| 19:16.41 | EdLin | or rather, non-friend messages. |
| 19:16.51 | Estel_ | hm, they could at least wanr that user have it blocked |
| 19:17.00 | EdLin | used to have them enabled, until someone ranted at me via it. |
| 19:17.08 | Estel_ | stupid shitbook :( |
| 19:17.28 | Estel_ | thanks for info, nevertheless |
| 19:17.38 | EdLin | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/07/29/1627203/facebook-abstainers-could-be-labeled-suspicious?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook |
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| 19:18.45 | Estel_ | freemangordon, both kernel-cssu3 and kp51r1 (not suprisingly, as they're same) changed something re watchdog (program to tick watchdogs)? |
| 19:19.03 | Estel_ | after installing any of those kernels, backupmenu works, but reportf- at start - that Pali' |
| 19:19.10 | Estel_ | Pali's watchdog haven't been found |
| 19:19.18 | Estel_ | and of course, it shutdowns after timer |
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| 19:19.38 | tank-man | EdLin, user comments from that story say that norway killer had a facebook account! |
| 19:19.47 | tank-man | so the headline is opposite |
| 19:19.58 | EdLin | tank-man, yep. So much for slashdot being accurate. ;) |
| 19:19.59 | freemangordon | Estel_: I am not aware of any change in that regard |
| 19:20.10 | freemangordon | better ask Pali |
| 19:20.22 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I'm 1005 sure that kernel resulted in this change, nothing else installed, and it worked 5 miunutes ago. |
| 19:20.24 | freemangordon | or report on KP thread |
| 19:20.25 | Estel_ | Ok,. i'll ask him |
| 19:20.29 | Estel_ | on kp thread, yea |
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| 19:25.39 | Estel_ | freemangordon, hnuh, sorry for bothering, false alarm. It was because I had already new modules installed, but kernel not flashed yet =) |
| 19:25.45 | Estel_ | after all, multiboot flash it on first run |
| 19:26.01 | Estel_ | so no surprise, that backupmenu haven't found /dev/watchdog |
| 19:26.07 | Estel_ | everything else works fine |
| 19:26.14 | Estel_ | s/else/now/ |
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| 19:32.36 | Estel_ | freemangordon, by any chance, have You managed to build kernel-power-settings 15 and uploaded it to thumb repos? |
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| 19:35.32 | freemangordon | Estel_: I won't do anything until Pali explains what is the situation |
| 19:35.50 | Estel_ | uh, and you've asked him already? |
| 19:36.00 | Estel_ | I may do it in kp thread |
| 19:36.07 | Estel_ | he was here today, for few hours |
| 19:36.08 | freemangordon | ok, do it |
| 19:36.14 | Estel_ | np, and thanks :) |
| 19:36.15 | freemangordon | i missed him |
| 19:42.14 | Estel_ | nice, only 62 packages remaining for installation. time for some whisky |
| 19:55.34 | Estel_ | freemangordon, could You, please, tell me version of qt-components-base-theme on your device? |
| 19:55.45 | Estel_ | same for qt-components-10 |
| 19:55.51 | freemangordon | what? |
| 19:55.52 | Estel_ | and iptables |
| 19:55.55 | Estel_ | sorry for bothering :) |
| 19:55.57 | Estel_ | version |
| 19:56.01 | Estel_ | of packages with such name |
| 19:56.09 | Estel_ | qt-components-base-theme |
| 19:56.13 | Estel_ | qt-tocmponents-10 |
| 19:56.14 | freemangordon | why do you think i have such package installed? ok. lemme check |
| 19:56.17 | Estel_ | iptables |
| 19:56.21 | Estel_ | I know You have ;) |
| 19:56.22 | Estel_ | thanks |
| 19:56.47 | Estel_ | well, maybe except iptables, sorry if this is the case. but the former 2 for sure. |
| 19:58.16 | freemangordon | dpkg -l qt-components-base-theme |
| 19:58.18 | freemangordon | No packages found matching qt-components-base-theme. |
| 19:58.40 | freemangordon | iptables 1.4.12-1maemo1 |
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| 19:58.48 | freemangordon | Estel_: ^^^ |
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| 19:59.08 | Estel_ | wut? It got pulled now, when installing cssu-thumb 0_o |
| 19:59.19 | Estel_ | same for qt-components-10 |
| 19:59.20 | Estel_ | wtf |
| 19:59.31 | Estel_ | now it even want to get upgraded |
| 19:59.36 | freemangordon | that's qt-mobility 1.0 |
| 19:59.40 | Estel_ | something is fishy here, I can't recall it being in thumb repo |
| 20:00.02 | Estel_ | qt-components-10 is qt-mobility? I know name, but can't recall what it is? |
| 20:00.16 | freemangordon | NFC what qt-components-10 is |
| 20:00.45 | Estel_ | ah, so qt-components-base-theme is qt mobility 1.0? |
| 20:01.06 | Estel_ | also, you know thayt this verison of iptables You have got upgraded lately, without changelog, by unknown person? I wonder if it works as it should |
| 20:01.27 | freemangordon | Estel_: qt-mobility-1.0 is qt-mobility-1.0. NFC what qt-components-... is |
| 20:01.32 | Estel_ | ah |
| 20:01.38 | Estel_ | ok, i'll try to trace why it got installed now |
| 20:01.45 | freemangordon | and in thumb repo there is thumb-compiled qtm-10 |
| 20:01.48 | Estel_ | with cssu-testing and cssu-thumb enabled |
| 20:01.50 | Estel_ | a-ha |
| 20:01.54 | Estel_ | thanks, and sorry for bothering |
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| 20:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if friggin apt could create a dependencies diagram, or tree, or whatever |
| 20:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/create/actually print out/ |
| 20:04.21 | Estel_ | I recall sometihng like recursive dependencies in ipkg, a embedded version of apt for openwrt, so I think apt-get is capable too |
| 20:04.35 | Estel_ | ough, "unknown person" who uploaded iptables lately, seems to be Pali |
| 20:04.42 | Estel_ | he could start providing changelogs, though |
| 20:05.08 | Estel_ | without changelog and TMO thread, I though it may be some "unknown update", especially, that it was pre-quelled by 6 failed attempts of building |
| 20:05.25 | Estel_ | and after marmistrz's update to glib I was a little more cautious about -devel ;) |
| 20:07.27 | Estel_ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/qt-components-10/1.0-pre2-1+0m5/ |
| 20:07.29 | Estel_ | wtf? |
| 20:07.41 | Estel_ | it got promoted to extras by hand, X-Fade did it |
| 20:07.52 | Estel_ | but missing dependencies? |
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| 20:13.13 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: ping |
| 20:14.27 | Estel_ | Today is a good day to [strike]die[/strike] test things on N900. Thumb ready, going to test new hostmode and bme-replacement modules :) |
| 20:19.22 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, pong |
| 20:19.47 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Erm, I forget. Possibly "is Socialty in a repo?, e.g. AFM" |
| 20:20.09 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, no, but updates are handled internally |
| 20:20.39 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ah cool. So can I say something like "User can also click @@@ to get the latest update"? |
| 20:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi MohammadAG Jaffa |
| 20:22.03 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, it notifies you, or optionally, About -> Check for Updates :) |
| 20:22.19 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ta |
| 20:22.30 | MohammadAG | I probably should improve that |
| 20:22.33 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/sociality-mtf-version |
| 20:22.44 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Neat ;-) |
| 20:23.08 | MohammadAG | Time to commit what facebook broke |
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| 20:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | facebroke |
| 20:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | facebrick, asskick |
| 20:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm taking pride in not having a FB account and thus being a potential mass murderer |
| 20:27.26 | Jaffa | If there's anyone I know I'd classify as "a potential mass murderer" ;-) |
| 20:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | /kickall |
| 20:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 20:30.00 | Jaffa | Fortunately, I've got respawn |
| 20:30.20 | MohammadAG | with a 4 second delay |
| 20:30.46 | Jaffa | How long's it take a Cylon, eh? |
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| 20:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that KIT on legs? |
| 20:31.21 | MohammadAG | this way annoying to fix https://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/commit/5a66e2698f0e0d0e5710144c28602a2483bb587a |
| 20:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders the 100th time, while staring on N9, if the "curved" display was worth the headache and expense |
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| 20:33.48 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: ewww |
| 20:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually yesterday I tried to find out how much of curved it actually is, and I still wonder if anybody would notice the difference |
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| 20:34.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, it's actually a bit nice :P |
| 20:35.03 | MohammadAG | but yeah, not worth replacement expenses |
| 20:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | call me numb, I don't sense any difference in using it, compared to N950 |
| 20:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it wasn't for the reflections, I'd not even find a way to tell it's curved at all, unless I'd use a ruler on it |
| 20:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | modulo the 5mm frame |
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| 20:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | which probably wasn't the major technological challenge |
| 20:38.38 | zeq | Sony Trinitron CRTs were curved the same way :P |
| 20:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, actually nope |
| 20:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | they were perfect cylinder segments |
| 20:39.23 | zeq | I know, poor attempt at humour :) |
| 20:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 20:40.13 | RST38h | Why do you say "were"? I have one downstairs. Using it for debugging TV-attached gadgets. |
| 20:40.24 | RST38h | Still works like a charm |
| 20:40.31 | zeq | I was going to suggest they just shrink one, no need for new tech :) |
| 20:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, if it wasn't for some complete swap of my assets by desaster incident, I'd still have a nice small one around |
| 20:41.28 | zeq | they were/are nice tubes |
| 20:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | like 12" |
| 20:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or was it 14"? |
| 20:41.48 | RST38h | Meanwhile, everyone is expecting their world to collapse with Win8 release |
| 20:42.02 | RST38h | Even Microsoft, hehe |
| 20:42.40 | zeq | will anybody even notice? |
| 20:43.04 | zeq | My gf just had her company laptop "upgraded" to Win7 |
| 20:43.23 | RST38h | Some people will |
| 20:43.28 | zeq | (from XP) |
| 20:43.48 | RST38h | definitely noticed Win7 upgrade - it became difficult to use computer for anything meaningful |
| 20:43.54 | vi_ | .win7 is allright. |
| 20:44.08 | RST38h | Not if you are doing development |
| 20:44.16 | zeq | very similar to kde4 |
| 20:44.31 | zeq | AFAIKT |
| 20:44.33 | zeq | AFAICT |
| 20:44.58 | vi_ | cannot comment on development, however as an end user OS it is ok. |
| 20:45.09 | RST38h | So, KDE has finally caught up with its target |
| 20:45.10 | vi_ | XP is a decade old. let it go. |
| 20:45.22 | RST38h | They have successfully implemented Microsoft Windows on Linux? |
| 20:45.49 | zeq | I think they managed to out Microsoft, Microsoft :) |
| 20:46.02 | zeq | bugs included ;) |
| 20:46.14 | RST38h | No problem letting it go, dude. It is the next thing that freaks me out. Or rather the tendency of each next thing to be worse than the last one lately |
| 20:46.34 | RST38h | XP was more or less ok |
| 20:46.59 | MohammadAG | three CRT TVs and 2 CRT monitors here |
| 20:47.02 | MohammadAG | no actual use though |
| 20:47.03 | zeq | XP was w2k with bling |
| 20:47.11 | RST38h | w2k was ok too |
| 20:47.19 | zeq | Vista/7... bling with some apps |
| 20:47.24 | RST38h | ME was a lemon, but let us forget it |
| 20:47.32 | RST38h | Vista was ME^2 |
| 20:47.45 | RST38h | Win7 is ME^2/2 |
| 20:47.59 | MohammadAG | 7 is good |
| 20:48.02 | MohammadAG | Vista was horrible |
| 20:48.04 | RST38h | From what I have read, Win8 is ME^3, with Metro and all |
| 20:48.07 | MohammadAG | the theme was awesome |
| 20:48.28 | RST38h | Mohammad: Try disabling UAC, then renaming a file in Explorer or creating a new file ;) |
| 20:48.34 | RST38h | Mohammad: Try fixing it |
| 20:48.39 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 20:48.48 | MohammadAG | don't worry, I mastered UAC Vista times |
| 20:48.57 | RST38h | Not to mention that the last service pack cannot install on about 30-40% of Win7 installations |
| 20:48.59 | MohammadAG | then 7 came along and fixed the issues, thus wasting my time |
| 20:49.12 | MohammadAG | the only thing I regret is the money I spent on Vista |
| 20:49.35 | qwazix | Do you know who implemented the ext automount feature? |
| 20:49.37 | RST38h | Meanwhile,Lumia decided to update OS |
| 20:49.43 | RST38h | Scary |
| 20:50.14 | RST38h | Anyone jailbroken it already? OS is the only thing pulling it down =( |
| 20:50.26 | MohammadAG | no, locked bootloader |
| 20:50.48 | MohammadAG | the only unlockable lumias are the ones Nokia forgot to upgrade before shipping it |
| 20:50.54 | MohammadAG | s/it/them |
| 20:51.55 | Estel_ | qwazix, ext automount of what? |
| 20:52.21 | MohammadAG | ext microSDs |
| 20:52.30 | MohammadAG | freemangordon / Pali |
| 20:52.34 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, if N950 is locked even with open kernel, due to kernel coming in and seeing device locked already by hardware trustMyass computing... |
| 20:52.35 | RST38h | "Political Science Prof Asks: Is Algebra Necessary?" |
| 20:52.44 | Estel_ | How Mer achieve unlocked device? |
| 20:52.47 | RST38h | Answer: Not really, for political science profs. |
| 20:52.57 | Estel_ | qwazix, Pali update ke-recv to automount usb disks and ext ones |
| 20:53.03 | Estel_ | and vfat ones too ;0 |
| 20:53.19 | Estel_ | freemangordon - of my, 50 % of RAM free and 16 mb of swap used |
| 20:53.26 | Estel_ | I know, you have heard it before :D |
| 20:53.36 | Estel_ | it leaves much room in RAM to promised hookers |
| 20:53.43 | Estel_ | s/to/for/ |
| 20:53.44 | RST38h | "This debate matters. Making mathematics mandatory prevents us from discovering and developing young talent." |
| 20:54.32 | Estel_ | vi_, windoze 7 is as good for end user as windows phone is |
| 20:54.45 | Estel_ | for any other use case - i.e. any that matters, and if you really need to sue windoze - xp owns all |
| 20:54.51 | Estel_ | s/sue/use/ |
| 20:54.57 | Estel_ | lol, freudic mistake |
| 20:55.25 | MohammadAG | Estel_, who? |
| 20:55.26 | Estel_ | but, honestly, debian or life ;) |
| 20:55.34 | MohammadAG | Estel_, I really didn't get what you said :P |
| 20:55.54 | Estel_ | understandable, as I'm talking multi-tasking way, announcing recipents and beginning of message :p |
| 20:56.11 | Estel_ | as for You, MohammadAG, I asked how Mer deal with CAL locked by trustedasscomputing |
| 20:56.12 | Estel_ | etc |
| 20:56.19 | qwazix | Estel_, do you have ext formatted memcard? |
| 20:56.24 | Estel_ | open kernel for harmattan can't stil ldo many things, as parts of n950 are locked, yep? |
| 20:56.35 | MohammadAG | I have no idea |
| 20:56.41 | Estel_ | qwazix, actually no, but why asking? I kinda know how this new ke-recv work, so i may be able to help |
| 20:56.41 | MohammadAG | about the mer part |
| 20:57.05 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, Mer doesn't seems to be affected by trustedasscomputing, so I wonder if this could be adaptable for harmashit too |
| 20:57.19 | Estel_ | and open kernel, without loses that come with it |
| 20:58.06 | qwazix | Estel_, I've got an sd with an extX e-d partition, an Ext2 NITDroid partition and the rest is FAT. File manager shows all 3 partitions normally but I still get the "Memory format unsupported" at boot |
| 20:58.09 | Estel_ | freemangordon, what have You done to thumb? i'm usually prone to palcebo effect, but device, it's UI, really seems *faster* with thumb, not only RAM usage lesser |
| 20:58.21 | Estel_ | I know it is impossible, but it's really present |
| 20:58.23 | qwazix | and I was wondering if it happens to other people too |
| 20:58.38 | Estel_ | opening thins, like setting, messing with windows, everything is absolutely smooth like never before |
| 20:58.53 | qwazix | Estel_, I have this feeling too |
| 20:58.56 | Estel_ | qwazix, huh, for that silly message, no idea |
| 20:59.12 | Estel_ | but if 1st aprtition (mmcblk1p1) is vfat, it should be ok |
| 20:59.16 | Estel_ | even if it's 2 Mb in size |
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| 20:59.33 | Estel_ | so maybe You juist need to change order of partitions |
| 20:59.38 | qwazix | Hmm, probably it isn't. My FAT partition is last IIRC |
| 20:59.59 | Estel_ | yeaa, making it first would fix it, without drawbacks - microSd isn't hdd, so earlier partitions aren't faster |
| 21:00.18 | qwazix | anyway I don't care much, I just thought maybe it's one of those bugs everybody has but nobody reports as it's trivial |
| 21:00.31 | Estel_ | qwazix, quite possible |
| 21:00.35 | Estel_ | it may be worth reporting to Pali |
| 21:00.38 | Estel_ | in CSSU-testing thread |
| 21:00.45 | Estel_ | (as updated ke-recv is aprt of cssu-t) |
| 21:00.57 | Estel_ | hey, power usage on thumb is also lower, and it's not hoax 0_o |
| 21:01.02 | Estel_ | idle one is stable 4mAh |
| 21:01.13 | Estel_ | while it was always 4-8 mAh, averaging on 6 mAh |
| 21:01.15 | Estel_ | mA |
| 21:01.20 | Estel_ | replace all mAh with mA ;) |
| 21:01.30 | Estel_ | wut the...? |
| 21:01.41 | Estel_ | how it's possible that cssu=thumb changes affected this? |
| 21:02.13 | Estel_ | sure, 2 mA change may sounds irrelevant, but for idle running time it's quite big, 50% change |
| 21:02.22 | Estel_ | even with GSM on, it's 25% better |
| 21:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a kernel msg? |
| 21:03.07 | Estel_ | 25% better standby time is something that I would like to know where comes from. freemangordon, what have You did?;) |
| 21:03.29 | Estel_ | what have You done* |
| 21:03.58 | zeq | Estel_: some comes from a better (newer) compiler |
| 21:04.07 | Estel_ | zeq, sounds sane |
| 21:04.15 | Estel_ | but it's really nice surprise |
| 21:04.44 | zeq | didn't we mention it? |
| 21:04.48 | zeq | :) |
| 21:04.51 | Estel_ | better speed? actually, no. |
| 21:04.53 | Estel_ | :) |
| 21:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | standby current with modem on is rather random |
| 21:05.02 | Estel_ | better power usage on idle? never mentioned it |
| 21:05.12 | Estel_ | sur,e that's why I tested it with modem off initially |
| 21:05.19 | zeq | I've a custom build of h-d, makes things even better ;) |
| 21:05.21 | Estel_ | that was the 5 mA -> 4 mA change |
| 21:05.29 | Estel_ | 6 mA - > 4 mA I mean |
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| 21:05.42 | Estel_ | zeq, why not pushed to cssu-thumb, then?:) |
| 21:06.19 | zeq | I will :) |
| 21:06.29 | Estel_ | BTW, less power usage seems constant, with modem on it's lower by same ammount, and even with screen off, it's average lesser by 2-3 mA than before (sure, this one is harder to prove, due to fluctuations, but I'm talking about average) |
| 21:06.37 | Estel_ | zeq, will you marry me? |
| 21:07.01 | zeq | err... no |
| 21:07.05 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 21:07.06 | zeq | :D |
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| 21:07.50 | Estel_ | well, I'm absolutely amazed form the beginning, cssu-thumb evolved much since early version I've tested long ago |
| 21:08.08 | Estel_ | now time to see benefits of Pali's hostmode implementation and bme replacement module |
| 21:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | benefits from that are way more abstract and hardly evaluable |
| 21:16.56 | Estel_ | arrrrrrrrghhhh |
| 21:17.05 | Estel_ | not related to thumb, but I still can't plkay .ogg and theora files |
| 21:17.19 | Estel_ | even reinstalled fuckin mafw, fuckin tracker, then, ogg-support and everything related... |
| 21:17.38 | Estel_ | during reinstallation, I saw it touching all .ogg and theora files, and tracker sedes them, even sees play time... |
| 21:17.59 | Estel_ | still, it doesn't create thumbnails for theora files, and can't play it, spitting idiotic message: |
| 21:18.05 | Estel_ | http://lorienart.pl/theora.png |
| 21:18.14 | Estel_ | foir .ogg files, it just skips through them |
| 21:18.24 | Estel_ | of course knowing their playtime |
| 21:18.44 | Estel_ | it seems that it read those data from it's id3, but why of why it reports lack of necessary code, when everything required is installed and worked a month ago? |
| 21:19.55 | Estel_ | I've reinstalled gstreamer010-maemo-xiph too |
| 21:22.49 | Estel_ | flac works well, surprisingly, but .ogg and theora still doesn't *hitting brick wall with a head* |
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| 21:32.37 | zeq | Estel_: are you sure the codecs for ogg/vorbis are installed? |
| 21:33.04 | Estel_ | I would say "yes", but it doesn't work for some reasons, so... |
| 21:33.13 | Estel_ | I have ogg-support and decoders-support, though |
| 21:33.27 | Estel_ | also gstreamer-plugins-bad-extras set |
| 21:33.34 | Estel_ | strangest thing is that it worked like charm for months |
| 21:33.53 | Estel_ | and suddenly, most likely after CSSU update that touched tracker, it stopped to work and doesn't want to start again |
| 21:34.05 | Estel_ | so since month or so i don't have .ogg and theora playback |
| 21:34.27 | Estel_ | I even went berseker and re-installed everything that got mafw and tracker in name, then, gstreamer0.10, of course ogg and xipg and vorbis also... |
| 21:34.42 | Estel_ | still, it just acts like codes are not installed |
| 21:34.57 | Estel_ | of course mplayer plays them jsut fine, (but it's not long-term solution) |
| 21:35.06 | Estel_ | both openmediaplayer and stock mediaplayer fails, though |
| 21:35.40 | Estel_ | as said, they're indexed by tracker properly, categorized by albums etc, but no thumbnails for theora files, so I bet it read id3 data (+ maybe something else, as it knows playtime), but nothing else |
| 21:35.47 | Estel_ | I'm sure thumbnails worked when playback worked |
| 21:35.58 | Estel_ | i'm out of ideas and quite desperate, it's irritating like FCKD |
| 21:36.11 | Estel_ | so even craziest dieas that doesn't require reflkash are welcome ;) |
| 21:39.04 | MohammadAG | Estel_, ask on #mer, I honestly don't know |
| 21:39.13 | Estel_ | nods |
| 21:39.25 | Estel_ | (related to other question, before) |
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| 21:46.14 | MohammadAG | People screwing with permissions annoy me |
| 21:46.26 | MohammadAG | I feel like crashing the app rather than warning them |
| 21:49.10 | Estel_ | why not burning hardware via i2c, then |
| 21:49.42 | kerio | why is there no package for reaver yet? :8 |
| 21:49.45 | kerio | er, :( |
| 21:50.13 | Estel_ | no idea, You may go ahead and package it |
| 21:50.41 | Estel_ | it's kinda straightforward it's single file ;) |
| 21:51.07 | Estel_ | (considering that 2nd one, to search for wsp networks, doesn't work anyway) |
| 21:51.11 | kerio | Estel_: do you have a link to a prebuilt one? |
| 21:51.15 | kerio | wash too |
| 21:51.34 | kerio | or walsh? |
| 21:52.26 | Estel_ | walsh or wash doesn't work |
| 21:52.31 | Estel_ | no use in putting it there |
| 21:52.42 | Estel_ | and latets reaver is somewhere near last page of, surprisingly, reaver thread |
| 21:52.49 | Estel_ | I don't remember if I have latest |
| 21:52.57 | kerio | k whatevs |
| 21:52.59 | Estel_ | btw it's quite a pity that wa(l)sh doesn't work |
| 21:53.07 | Estel_ | I wonder why |
| 21:53.44 | Estel_ | grrrrrrr |
| 21:53.55 | Estel_ | can't make this fuckin mafw to play theora/ogg still |
| 21:54.01 | Estel_ | and what the hell is x-annodex decoder? |
| 21:55.30 | Estel_ | part of gstreamer0.10-plugins-base. I have reinstalled this one, though |
| 21:55.36 | Estel_ | ~rape mafw |
| 21:55.49 | fsdf | ~rape mafw |
| 21:55.49 | infobot | ACTION takes mafw behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 21:58.44 | qwazix | Estel_, here's your thread :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1244741 |
| 21:59.07 | Estel_ | wow, thankie a lot |
| 21:59.15 | Estel_ | it's huge and lovely and big and informative :D |
| 22:00.47 | Estel_ | how develoepr mdoe is allowing us to install nano or htop? |
| 22:00.53 | Estel_ | on n950, it just enabled terminal |
| 22:02.18 | Estel_ | qwazix, what about unrestricted-systemui? |
| 22:02.26 | Estel_ | it sounds like essential, too |
| 22:02.55 | Estel_ | other than that, it's what I needed, especially mentions of -testing and -devel equivalent :) |
| 22:04.17 | qwazix | Estel_, I never liked arbitrary apps adding things to my system tray anywhere, that's why I didn't include it, but you're free to reply to the thread. 2nd post will be probably used for consolidating reader comments |
| 22:05.17 | Estel_ | I agree, but afaik unrestricted-systemui jsut allows using harmattanish equivalent of status menu, not forces it |
| 22:05.22 | Estel_ | i.e. removes nokia's lock |
| 22:05.35 | Estel_ | sure, will note it later :) |
| 22:05.52 | Estel_ | now I'm fighting with #@$$#@ mafw not wanting me to play .ogg and theora, and I can't find reason for life of mine |
| 22:06.09 | zeq | Estel_: just thinking about your codec error, could it be your mime types? |
| 22:06.31 | qwazix | If you go to settings, security, developer mode, there's a truckload of available tools to install |
| 22:06.55 | Estel_ | zeq, thanks a lot, as I imagine that oit msut be extra hard for anyone willing to help (no traces, generally) |
| 22:07.14 | Estel_ | zeq, mime types? they're registered with tracker, at least |
| 22:07.18 | Estel_ | but I'll do experiment |
| 22:07.25 | Estel_ | I'll rename .ogg to .mp3 and check if it plays |
| 22:07.30 | Estel_ | just rename |
| 22:08.24 | Estel_ | I though, month earlier, that it is jsut tempoerary problem, but honestly, it's getting worse and worse with time, as I really can't find a reason for it |
| 22:08.41 | Estel_ | as said, it started near cssu update, and first symptom was that .ogg and theora disappeared from my list at all |
| 22:09.02 | Estel_ | merlin1991 suggested then, that something in the update haven't registered mimetypes properly |
| 22:09.14 | Estel_ | after registering them by hand, files appeared, but never wanted to play |
| 22:09.22 | Estel_ | then I went with reinstalling ogg-support, etc,m to no avail |
| 22:09.51 | Estel_ | weeks later, i.e. currently, I tried reinstalling mafw and tarcke rpackages, gstreamer0.10 packages, ogg-support, extra decoders support (decoders-support), gstreamer plugins sets... |
| 22:10.31 | Estel_ | during reinstallation of ogg-support I see in console that mimetypes for tracker (ogg and theora) are added |
| 22:11.08 | Estel_ | maybe theora during gstreamer0.10-maemo-xiph or gstreamer0.10-theora, doesn't matter, it is there... I wonder how tracker know correct playtime of files, from id3? |
| 22:11.33 | Estel_ | albums, artist etc comes from id3 for sure, but playtime? Altrhough, thumbnails for theora doesn't work... i'm, puzzled. Of course I tried rebuilding tracker database too, plentora times |
| 22:12.16 | Estel_ | hm, renaming .ogg to .mp3 doesn't work, so for sure it really doesn't have decoder to decode it |
| 22:12.30 | Estel_ | earlier, I though that it may be able to decode, but think that it isn't... |
| 22:12.40 | Estel_ | In reality, it *think* that it can decode, but when trying, it can't |
| 22:12.56 | Estel_ | theora result in splitting error I've posted screenshot erarlier: http://lorienart.pl/theora.png |
| 22:13.00 | Estel_ | .ogg jsut skips |
| 22:13.14 | Estel_ | it's in openmediaplayer, stock mediaplayer just throw error about unsupported decoder |
| 22:16.50 | Estel_ | and, don't roget that .flac works (!) |
| 22:16.57 | Estel_ | zeq, in any way, thanks for even trying to help |
| 22:18.23 | zeq | Estel_: I lost the ability to play videos with cuteplayer with a CSSU update a few months back, perhaps even the same update... |
| 22:18.42 | Estel_ | hm, interesting... but mediaplayer works well? |
| 22:19.05 | zeq | I've not tried playing ogg or vorbis files, but otherwise yes. |
| 22:20.27 | Estel_ | I can play other videos and music to, just ogg ans theora spasms |
| 22:20.40 | Estel_ | but other people can play it without problems |
| 22:20.47 | Estel_ | http://lorienart.pl/Blood-roses.ogg |
| 22:21.12 | Estel_ | I wonder, what is the difference between ogg-support and xipg-support package? xipg-support conflicts with ogg-support |
| 22:21.32 | Estel_ | I'm almsot sure I had ogg-support always, and it worked, but... also, ogg-support is more recent, as per package date |
| 22:23.04 | Estel_ | BTW You've never regained You possibility to play videos in cutetube? |
| 22:23.08 | Estel_ | it's .flv IIRC |
| 22:23.20 | zeq | I've got ogg-support installed. ^ above file works fine |
| 22:23.39 | Estel_ | WHAT?! I don't have gstreamer0.10-ogg, despite having reinstalled gstreamer-plugins-base 324324 times? |
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| 22:23.53 | Estel_ | and despite having ogg-support and it's dependencies reinstalled just few seconds ago? |
| 22:23.54 | zeq | no I tried to fix cuteplayer a couple of days back, couldn't work it out. |
| 22:24.12 | Estel_ | chekc if You have gstreamer0.10-flv installed, heh |
| 22:24.32 | zeq | the HAM package manager "Multimedia support" == xipg-support? |
| 22:25.01 | Estel_ | no idea, i'm using fapman... direct name is ogg-support for package we both have, and xiph-support for depreciated one |
| 22:25.45 | Estel_ | well, installing sucessfuly gstreamer0.10-ogg doesn't change a single thing |
| 22:25.50 | Estel_ | still can't play .ogg |
| 22:26.02 | zeq | Estel_: yes, I have -flv installed |
| 22:26.18 | Estel_ | hm |
| 22:28.11 | Estel_ | seems that gstreamer0.10-xiph is more recent equivalent of gstreamer0.10-ogg |
| 22:28.15 | Estel_ | what a mess |
| 22:44.11 | zeq | Estel_: removing ogg-support and installing xiph-support broke ogg playback |
| 22:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: (.ogg) there are two possible explanations: either you installed *too much* - too many codecs, means some of them killed it for you (you should retest with a clean PR1.3.1 install). Or (yeah I know you don't wanna hear that) the DSP is borked and refuses to decode .ogg (hardly any sensible story would explain why it works for mp3 then, but... it's just the possible explanations) |
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| 22:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: FWIW blood roses plays fine here |
| 22:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU-T |
| 22:55.17 | Estel_ | thanks for looking into it too, DocScrutinizer |
| 22:55.38 | Estel_ | I made progress, though |
| 22:56.08 | Estel_ | after installing libsdl-mixer-ogg-mp3-1.2 |
| 22:56.14 | Estel_ | .ogg file renamed to .mp3 plays well |
| 22:56.16 | Estel_ | (!) |
| 22:56.19 | Estel_ | what the fucky fuck? |
| 22:56.43 | Estel_ | zeq, DocScrutinizer, any of You have this package installed? what sdl mixer have to do with mafw? |
| 22:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 22:57.19 | Estel_ | theora also splits other error now |
| 22:57.43 | Estel_ | "can't find codec" application/octet-stream decoder" |
| 22:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user/MyDocs # apt-cache search sdl-mixer libsdl-mixer1.2-dev - Development files for libSDL_Mixer libsdl-mixer1.2 - Mixer library for libSDL libsdl-mixeroggwav1.2-dev - a variant of libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, supporting only Ogg Vorbis libsdl-mixer1.2.8-dev - development files for SDL1.2 mixer library libsdl-mixer1.2.8 - mixer library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 1.2 |
| 22:59.08 | Estel_ | guess what, .ogg as .ogg *not* renamed to .mp3 also plays fine |
| 22:59.16 | Estel_ | I'm happy (yet theora still doesn't work), but wtf? |
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| 23:06.14 | qwazix | Estel_, application/octet-stream is a mime type used by web servers when they upload files through http. |
| 23:06.46 | qwazix | specific implementations of upload scripts mess the mime types of uploaded files |
| 23:06.52 | Estel_ | yea, so wtf it have to do with my lovely theora concerts ;) |
| 23:07.05 | qwazix | did you download this file off somewhere? |
| 23:07.08 | Estel_ | nope |
| 23:07.11 | Estel_ | encoded it by hand |
| 23:07.20 | qwazix | that is odd... |
| 23:07.21 | Estel_ | and it worked perfectly before this disaster started |
| 23:07.44 | Estel_ | yea, even more that my .ogg definitelly plays with mafw, with low cpu usage and pulseaudio and mafw working, so wtf sdlmixer have to do with it |
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| 23:08.31 | Estel_ | I feel i'm on it, anyway, making theora work is just a matter of little more research on repos, I think |
| 23:08.49 | qwazix | I've encountered this error mostly with files that have gone through email clients and such. E.g. doc files got stuck in my doc->pdf script because they had application/octet-stream mime instead of application/msword |
| 23:09.03 | qwazix | I resorted to only check extension ( I know, lame ) |
| 23:09.57 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, could You check for gstreamer0.10-ogg installed in your system? |
| 23:10.03 | Estel_ | qwazix, you too if You have n900 by hand |
| 23:10.31 | qwazix | Estel_, probably not, I reflashed yesterday... |
| 23:10.39 | Estel_ | ;P |
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| 23:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user/MyDocs # apt-cache search gstreamer0.10-ogg |
| 23:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | gstreamer0.10-ogg - GStreamer ogg plugin from the "base" set |
| 23:12.02 | qwazix | Package gstreamer0.10-ogg is not installed, so not removed |
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| 23:12.26 | qwazix | Anyway, I'm off to bed. G'night. |
| 23:12.33 | Estel_ | damn, my jack audio input from amplifier got some voltage on it |
| 23:12.44 | Estel_ | when touching it with tongue it sparks |
| 23:12.52 | Estel_ | just made my n900 reboot |
| 23:13.22 | Estel_ | bb qwazix |
| 23:13.30 | Estel_ | I need to finally disassemble this amp box and see wtf |
| 23:13.55 | Estel_ | I hope that electrical surge wasn't dangerous for n900 audio subsystem |
| 23:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | oohohoh |
| 23:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | AV-gnd isn't true GND, it's in fact FM-antenna |
| 23:14.58 | Estel_ | ... |
| 23:15.07 | Estel_ | so it's especially risky? |
| 23:15.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | means there are components between AV-GND and USB-GND |
| 23:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly a bead |
| 23:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | to block RF |
| 23:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | this bead can burn out easily |
| 23:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's built for max 100mA or somesuch |
| 23:16.08 | Estel_ | damn. without it, what doesn't work? |
| 23:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | audio on AV |
| 23:16.26 | Estel_ | whole? |
| 23:16.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and video of course |
| 23:16.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 23:16.34 | Estel_ | good side is that I will know if it work or not, soon ;) |
| 23:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | missing GND is fatal |
| 23:16.56 | Estel_ | of course, but this bead, itself |
| 23:17.05 | Estel_ | if it would be jsut connected without it |
| 23:17.10 | Estel_ | in case of burnage |
| 23:17.16 | kerio | fry *all* the things! _ò/ |
| 23:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might simply short it, and never again use FMRX |
| 23:17.30 | Estel_ | so it's required for fm radio input, eh? |
| 23:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the FMRX antenna dipole is basically between AV-gnd and USB-gnd |
| 23:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | shorting the two.... |
| 23:18.42 | Estel_ | + headphones acting as part of it when connected, of course |
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| 23:26.21 | Estel_ | well, AV works fine |
| 23:26.51 | Estel_ | this amp have 5.1 input and stereo imput 9via normal jack). 5.1 works fine, but whole amp had some hard times once, and jack imput is strange |
| 23:27.08 | Estel_ | music plays well, but when you touch this imput (with stereo imput enabled, of course), it buzz very strange sounds on speakers |
| 23:27.15 | Estel_ | it seems to "accumulate" some kind of charge |
| 23:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: get a DI-box |
| 23:27.36 | Estel_ | for example, now with tongue I don't feel electricity, but few minutes earlier it was there |
| 23:27.44 | Estel_ | it seems that while it stays idle, it accumulates something |
| 23:27.47 | Estel_ | DI-box, hm? |
| 23:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki di-unit |
| 23:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki DI_unit |
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| 23:30.37 | Estel_ | lokks nice, and cheap |
| 23:31.13 | zeq | night all |
| 23:31.17 | Estel_ | but in my case it isn't high impendance signal, so i suspect You just mean separating it from surges? |
| 23:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.20 | Estel_ | see ya zeq! |
| 23:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebay.de/itm/ZEALUM-ZUS-ANS-Audio-Noise-Suppressor-Trenntrafo-/390442912251?pt=Kabel_Stecker&hash=item5ae83609fb |
| 23:33.56 | Estel_ | nah, it wasn't surge, after all |
| 23:34.16 | Estel_ | it turned out, that I connected non-working plug to charge device, and it jsut died due to low power and bme off :P |
| 23:34.38 | Estel_ | but it really looked like surge, at moment of shutting down, amplifier made *loud* cracky sound |
| 23:34.47 | Estel_ | probably due to those strange things happening on jack |
| 23:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | home stereo usually has severe voltage potential vs GND, due to attached arial antenna |
| 23:37.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there's that age old recommendation to never connect two cables concurrently to a mobile device like N900, unless one of the cables definitely has proper galvanic separation |
| 23:37.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for USB chargers I'd not bet on any such proper galvanic separation |
| 23:38.17 | Estel_ | yea, but of course it haven't happened during plugging in, I just though that it "charge" for while, doing ad-hoc wifi |
| 23:38.24 | Estel_ | while in fact it was discharging |
| 23:38.30 | Estel_ | for empty battery, you know the rest |
| 23:38.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | a DI-box / separating adapter however is made to ensure galvanic separation |
| 23:38.52 | Estel_ | sounds nice. BTw I wonder if my amp doesn't have it inside |
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| 23:39.03 | Estel_ | but this DI sounds like thing good to have, anyway, if even basic passive one |
| 23:39.11 | Estel_ | better safe than sorry |
| 23:41.11 | Estel_ | well, it turned out that gstreamer0.10-ogg is required to play ogg (what a surprise). hoever, why it isn't dependency of ogg-support is beyond me |
| 23:41.25 | Estel_ | libsdl thing just acted as catalyst to refresh mafw mimetypes again |
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| 23:41.45 | Estel_ | and what gstreamer0.10-maemo-xiph does, if not ogg, ffs? |
| 23:42.29 | Estel_ | still need to find out why theora doesn't work, though |
| 23:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | (hoever, why it isn't dependency of ogg-support is beyond me) - one word: maemo-PR |
| 23:48.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | err maemo-MP |
| 23:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if theora ever worked |
| 23:53.54 | Estel_ | of course it worked |
| 23:54.07 | Estel_ | I used it personally, and it was working great (although, on CPU, IIRC) |
| 23:54.15 | Estel_ | (but through mafw :D) |
| 23:54.48 | Estel_ | what maemo-mp have to do with ogg-support lacking dependency of gstreamer0.10-ogg? I have just installed the latter without any conflicts or apt trickery |
| 23:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maemo-mp got 'invented' because Nokia thought it's too cumbersome to keep proper comprehensive dependencies up to date in their maemo packages |
| 23:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the link |
| 23:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and btw ogg never been in the set of OOTB-supported codecs |
