| 00:01.53 | RiD | lol? |
| 00:02.19 | Estel_ | no worries, just joking around |
| 00:02.44 | RiD | did I ever mention the "i'll create a GUI interface in Visual Basic...see if I can track the criminal's IP address"? |
| 00:02.55 | RiD | that's on CSI:NY |
| 00:03.17 | RiD | so many flaws on that phrase |
| 00:04.21 | Estel_ | hehehe |
| 00:04.28 | Estel_ | no worries, miami is also funny many times |
| 00:04.37 | Estel_ | GPs that works inside building, precise to single room |
| 00:04.42 | Estel_ | vertical one, mind You |
| 00:04.50 | RiD | lol |
| 00:04.54 | Estel_ | or snipers adjusting to the wind when shooting from 200 meters |
| 00:04.56 | RiD | vertical just killed it |
| 00:05.23 | Estel_ | that why I called it criminal science fiction, it's like criminal star trek |
| 00:05.33 | Estel_ | if You don't expect it to be real, it can be fun to watch ;) |
| 00:05.47 | RiD | or weird |
| 00:05.55 | Estel_ | sseriously thought, "forbydelsen" - especially first one - literally knocked me back, it's absolutely great |
| 00:06.02 | RiD | because playing a game with a calculator as a wireless keyboard makes no sense |
| 00:06.26 | Estel_ | if Yuo add to this, that it *won't* become never-ending-story - i.e. 3 series, and 3 is final - it makes me glad even more |
| 00:06.41 | Estel_ | although, never, ever, try to watch american version |
| 00:06.56 | RiD | i liked shameless |
| 00:06.59 | RiD | the american one. |
| 00:07.00 | Estel_ | funny, movie done in 2010 already got american remake, of course much, much worse than original |
| 00:07.08 | Estel_ | haven't seen it |
| 00:07.13 | RiD | see it |
| 00:07.24 | RiD | it passed the imdb test at least |
| 00:07.40 | Estel_ | but one time, while searching for forbydelsen, which I know as english title "the killing", I've stumbled upon american version... It was painful experience, as they use same english title |
| 00:07.42 | RiD | people say the uk one is all downfall every season |
| 00:08.32 | Estel_ | thanks, will take a look at it. an I really recommend "forbydelsen", I haven't seen so good criminal in many, many years |
| 00:08.58 | Estel_ | in fact, this serie is done so good, that it's comparable to legends like twin peaks (although, absolutely different settings, full realism etc) |
| 00:09.29 | RiD | so that serie "forbydelsen" focus on realism? |
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| 00:10.45 | Estel_ | hard to say. It's quite real, for a criminal, you know, it's a movie after all, so don't expect it to be police cronique, but still |
| 00:10.52 | Estel_ | no idiotic elements |
| 00:11.09 | Estel_ | dark atmosphere, absolutely gorgeously though characters |
| 00:11.40 | Estel_ | and natural (not seems to be forced) plot twists, msot of them really, really unexpected |
| 00:11.57 | Estel_ | generally, it's all different from other criminals, but it's hard to tell ine dtails why, have to see it |
| 00:12.11 | RiD | how about gorgeous half naked ladies |
| 00:12.40 | Estel_ | well, I don't want to spoiler ;) |
| 00:12.48 | RiD | if it doesn't have any, i'm not going to watch |
| 00:12.49 | RiD | (joke) |
| 00:13.47 | Estel_ | BTw, fun fact - acotrs were given scenario from episode to episode, and untril last one, no one of them knew, who is the "killer" |
| 00:13.57 | Estel_ | except for main character, she knew that she is not, but nothing else |
| 00:14.07 | RiD | oh wow |
| 00:14.25 | Estel_ | I don't know if it would change anything if done otherwise, but You really see much naturalism in playing, mixed with professionalism. Hard to describe, really |
| 00:14.25 | RiD | nice |
| 00:14.34 | RiD | ok |
| 00:14.40 | Estel_ | BTW,. both series are good, but first one is outstanding, so i recommend it most |
| 00:14.45 | Estel_ | have fun :) |
| 00:15.12 | Estel_ | checks, how much time left to finish backup of whole device |
| 00:16.14 | RiD | what are you going to install/try/screw with? |
| 00:16.35 | Estel_ | well, i've just repaired my n900, that showed no sign of life for past few days |
| 00:16.42 | Estel_ | so I'm doing backup no matter what... |
| 00:16.43 | RiD | oh that one |
| 00:16.49 | Estel_ | but then, I'm going to put cssu-thumb, of course |
| 00:16.52 | Estel_ | yea |
| 00:17.00 | Estel_ | it turned out to be shortcut between IR diode anode pad and ground |
| 00:17.04 | RiD | how good is that for power-user usage already? |
| 00:17.27 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer kindly checked (and generally, helped a LOT) that this anode, as per schematics, is directly connected to battery V+ |
| 00:17.39 | Estel_ | cssu-thumb? it's absolutely essential, IMO |
| 00:17.55 | RiD | how good the improvements are then? |
| 00:17.58 | Estel_ | but You may want to qwait a little for next kp release, as it's going to integrate thumb patches |
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| 00:18.06 | Estel_ | or did it already? I was out of loop lately |
| 00:18.07 | RiD | oh then fine |
| 00:18.19 | RiD | last one is kp51r1 or so |
| 00:18.29 | Estel_ | improvements are quite big even now - as per less RAM used - but remember, with every new package recompiled for thumb, it's going better |
| 00:18.49 | Estel_ | today freemangordon asked Palito push new update asap, so I suspect something important is in queye |
| 00:19.16 | RiD | ok |
| 00:19.28 | Estel_ | personally, I'm waiting for result of freemangordon's and zeq1's results of work on fennec, they have rewritten big aprt of it's code |
| 00:19.41 | RiD | we'll see |
| 00:19.59 | Estel_ | reportedly, it's going to be fast, reliable, and useful (think as - can finally be proper microB replacement for people that need full-fledged browser) |
| 00:20.27 | Estel_ | i.e. forget about miserable thing that fennec was for N900, as they've given it a nice kick :D |
| 00:22.09 | RiD | i will like that |
| 00:23.26 | RiD | i should really give myself a go at theming |
| 00:23.54 | RiD | but the current way doesn't feel right to |
| 00:24.44 | RiD | as it's one huge image with everything. won't be that easy to align. I'm used to make themes by using really separate images - like the final theme product |
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| 00:33.50 | Macer | fennec doesn't have an option to "copy url link" |
| 00:33.54 | Macer | :-P |
| 00:34.15 | RiD | ctrl+c? |
| 00:34.21 | RiD | oh nvm |
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| 00:41.28 | Macer | it was retarded heh |
| 00:41.40 | Macer | opera also has the same problem |
| 00:41.47 | Macer | well.. opera mobile |
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| 00:54.45 | Macer | The new software will have better integration with social networks such as Facebook Inc.'s. It will have built-in features to facilitate sharing on Facebook, Twitter, Flickr and other services. For instance, you'll get notifications when you get a message or a mention in a Facebook or Twitter post. You need to sign in only once, and you can share directly from other apps you are using. |
| 00:54.54 | Macer | didn't nokia give that same speech like.. a year or 2 ago |
| 00:55.01 | Macer | when talking about its revamp of symbian |
| 00:55.04 | Macer | and meego lol |
| 00:58.57 | Macer | waiting on apple fail |
| 00:59.05 | Macer | think people have finally been saturated with iShit |
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| 01:54.02 | LaoLang_cool | how to reinstall a pkg? |
| 01:54.08 | LaoLang_cool | by apt-get |
| 01:57.19 | merlin1991 | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 01:58.19 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, thank you :) |
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| 04:16.35 | jonwil | anyone know of a way to get either gitorious or a local clone of a gitorious repository to display a nice view of the flow of commits/branches/etc? I know its possible, I did it before on a totally unrelated git project but now I cant remember how |
| 04:16.46 | jonwil | the local thing that is |
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| 04:36.46 | jonwil | aha, turns out that calendar-backend/master is not the latest version, its calendar-backend/PE1 that has the N900 PR1.3 current version |
| 04:38.17 | jonwil | so the links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages are wrong (or were until I fixed them) |
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| 05:15.41 | EdLin | hi. I am bidding on an n900 on eBay, already have an n810 that I used tethered to a PalmOS smartphone a lot at one time. |
| 05:16.07 | EdLin | how's getting maemo.org migrated to community instead of Nokia coming along? |
| 05:21.13 | EdLin | guess everyone's asleep or something. |
| 05:28.58 | zeq1 | EdLin: we have to sleep some time ;) |
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| 06:42.43 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've been trying to fix the fennec compile failure. It stems from the SharedTextureHandle being of type uintptr_t, which should be able to be set to nsnull only by virtue of it's pointer-like properties, but it's being resolved to unsigned int, which of course can't hold a null ptr. Definitely a bug, and perhaps something that doesn't show up in older gcc's? Not sure how to fix it, I'm attempting to compile |
| 06:43.19 | freemangordon | zeq1: you're slow :P https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777241 |
| 06:43.20 | povbot | 04Bug 777241: was not found. |
| 06:43.46 | zeq1 | hey man, I've gotta sleep! :P |
| 06:44.37 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I thought about changing it to return 0. |
| 06:44.48 | freemangordon | zeq1: how to reclaim free space on my rootfs? |
| 06:44.51 | freemangordon | in SB |
| 06:45.03 | zeq1 | But, shouldn't uintptr_t support being a null ptr? |
| 06:45.17 | freemangordon | should |
| 06:45.48 | zeq1 | freemangordon: remote dbg packages? |
| 06:45.57 | zeq1 | s/remote/remove/ |
| 06:46.16 | freemangordon | zeq1: i movet /scratchbox to a different partition |
| 06:46.19 | zeq1 | clean out your /var/lib/apt/archives |
| 06:46.44 | freemangordon | yet my freespace is 7.7 GB, while used space is 12GB |
| 06:46.53 | freemangordon | on new partition |
| 06:46.58 | zeq1 | s/lib/cache/ |
| 06:47.16 | zeq1 | that's a lot of used space |
| 06:47.26 | zeq1 | just for SB |
| 06:47.45 | freemangordon | hmm, hold on, I forgot to rm one thing |
| 06:47.49 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 06:49.40 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I take it you haven't tested the toolchain yet? |
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| 06:49.54 | zeq1 | I managed to rebuild qt4 with it :) |
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| 06:49.56 | freemangordon | zeq1: no, I was fighting with SB |
| 06:50.10 | freemangordon | but it is ok now, I am going to create a new target |
| 06:50.18 | zeq1 | ok |
| 06:50.29 | freemangordon | hmm, or better update my current one |
| 06:50.46 | freemangordon | zeq1: ^^^ any risk you are aware of? |
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| 06:50.53 | zeq1 | of rebuilding qt4? |
| 06:51.08 | freemangordon | update my current target with a new toolchain |
| 06:51.10 | zeq1 | oh you mean updating your current profile |
| 06:51.38 | zeq1 | it's okay as long as you don't extract the rootstrap on top |
| 06:51.40 | zeq1 | ;) |
| 06:52.06 | zeq1 | also make sure manually install the compiler/../packages/* |
| 06:52.13 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 06:52.20 | freemangordon | ok, going to try it |
| 06:53.15 | zeq1 | good luck!:) |
| 06:54.07 | zeq1 | I'm glad I managed to get the size of the toolchian down quite a bit ;) |
| 06:56.06 | zeq1 | from 215Mb to 58M is pretty good going :) |
| 06:56.16 | freemangordon | yeah :) |
| 06:56.32 | freemangordon | lets see if it works :D |
| 06:57.55 | zeq1 | what are you going to test it with? |
| 06:58.01 | freemangordon | yes |
| 06:58.22 | zeq1 | it works? |
| 06:58.30 | freemangordon | still don't know |
| 06:58.39 | freemangordon | lemme setup the target first |
| 06:59.55 | freemangordon | zeq1: how to tell tar to unbx2? |
| 07:00.01 | freemangordon | *unbz2 |
| 07:00.32 | freemangordon | found it |
| 07:00.32 | zeq1 | it does it automatically |
| 07:00.35 | zeq1 | just use xf |
| 07:00.43 | freemangordon | xfj ;) |
| 07:00.49 | zeq1 | you can do :P |
| 07:01.06 | zeq1 | automatic works too :) |
| 07:01.44 | zeq1 | I would have used xz, but not everybody probably has that |
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| 07:05.53 | freemangordon | zeq1: gcc version 4.7.2 20120701 (prerelease) (Linaro GCC 4.7-2012.07) |
| 07:06.11 | zeq1 | using -std=gnu++11 didn't work |
| 07:06.23 | zeq1 | looks correct :) |
| 07:06.41 | freemangordon | lemme install .debs and check if it works |
| 07:06.57 | zeq1 | I've changed the return nsnull to return 0 |
| 07:08.34 | freemangordon | zeq1: i can't see libgcc-dev package |
| 07:08.51 | zeq1 | should there be one? |
| 07:09.26 | freemangordon | no :) |
| 07:09.31 | freemangordon | scratch that |
| 07:09.35 | zeq1 | :D |
| 07:10.31 | zeq1 | be aware that installing the libstdc++6-dbg package makes your ldconfig output ugly |
| 07:10.47 | freemangordon | too late :D |
| 07:10.56 | zeq1 | (the dynamic linker doesn't like (nor quietly ignore) the .py file |
| 07:11.11 | freemangordon | aah, i can easily remove it by hand |
| 07:11.19 | zeq1 | it's there for a reason ;) |
| 07:11.27 | freemangordon | but what reason |
| 07:11.32 | zeq1 | NFC |
| 07:11.36 | zeq1 | :) |
| 07:11.42 | jonwil | ok, so what exactly is the reason for doing all this GCC stuff? |
| 07:11.43 | zeq1 | something to do with gdb |
| 07:11.46 | jonwil | Newer version of GCC? |
| 07:11.55 | jonwil | different compile thats better in some way? |
| 07:12.04 | freemangordon | jonwil: 4.7.2? |
| 07:12.07 | zeq1 | jonwil: it gives a really nice performance boost if nothing else |
| 07:12.13 | freemangordon | should be better than 4.2.1 |
| 07:12.32 | zeq1 | it's also compatible with more recent standards |
| 07:12.40 | zeq1 | particularly with c++ |
| 07:13.01 | zeq1 | it also have NEON autovectorization ;) |
| 07:13.08 | jonwil | neat :) |
| 07:13.09 | zeq1 | s/have/has/ |
| 07:13.32 | zeq1 | LTO should help with binary sizes and give better optimization too |
| 07:14.28 | jonwil | Is this something that's going to be used for CSSU so that when binaries are built for CSSU, they get the benefits? |
| 07:14.52 | zeq1 | jonwil: maybe, if it proves itself :) |
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| 07:15.12 | freemangordon | src/Makefile.am:128: CXXFLAGS must be set with `=' before using `+=' |
| 07:15.14 | freemangordon | :( |
| 07:15.22 | zeq1 | hmm |
| 07:15.27 | zeq1 | what's that from ? |
| 07:15.34 | freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:15.43 | zeq1 | that's autoconf |
| 07:15.46 | freemangordon | automake/configure step |
| 07:15.51 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 07:15.58 | zeq1 | what package? |
| 07:16.01 | zeq1 | fennec? |
| 07:16.07 | freemangordon | libgtkmozembed |
| 07:16.28 | zeq1 | you're not setting CXXFLAGS before appending to them |
| 07:16.46 | zeq1 | as it says ^^^ |
| 07:17.01 | freemangordon | it was building just fine with my toolchain |
| 07:17.13 | zeq1 | you must have had CXXFLAGS defined in your env |
| 07:17.33 | zeq1 | ? |
| 07:18.33 | zeq1 | fixed? |
| 07:19.30 | freemangordon | no :( |
| 07:19.56 | zeq1 | will I get the package with apt-get source? |
| 07:20.07 | freemangordon | yes |
| 07:20.17 | freemangordon | libgtkmozembed |
| 07:20.46 | zeq1 | taking a look |
| 07:23.52 | zeq1 | I don't think it's a problem with my toolchain |
| 07:24.03 | freemangordon | could be |
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| 07:24.57 | zeq1 | I can't see how it could have ever worked tbh :S |
| 07:26.02 | zeq1 | automake is quite fussy about having things defined properly |
| 07:26.11 | zeq1 | perhaps moreso in recent versions |
| 07:27.17 | freemangordon | maybe my SB is broken because of moving |
| 07:27.51 | zeq1 | CXXFLAGS := |
| 07:28.05 | zeq1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.27 | freemangordon | hmm, only THUMB target is broken, armel works just fine |
| 07:28.38 | zeq1 | hmm |
| 07:28.47 | freemangordon | zeq1: romaxa is asking if the patch is split, on #mobile |
| 07:28.48 | Macer | ugh.. apnews pissed me off |
| 07:28.50 | zeq1 | is thumb not working? |
| 07:28.55 | freemangordon | zeq1: yes |
| 07:29.02 | Macer | going there on my transformer keeps senging me to a page that talks about their stupid android app |
| 07:29.05 | zeq1 | it that yes it isn't working? |
| 07:29.16 | Macer | with no option to continue to their mobile page |
| 07:29.21 | Macer | i don't want to use their app |
| 07:29.35 | freemangordon | zeq1: would you join and discuss with romaxa, as I am not sure what the status is |
| 07:29.38 | zeq1 | ok |
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| 07:29.50 | freemangordon | zeq1: yes, thumb is not working, armel is ok |
| 07:29.57 | freemangordon | armel -4.2.1 |
| 07:30.03 | freemangordon | thumb - 4.7.2 |
| 07:30.16 | zeq1 | oh right |
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| 07:30.43 | zeq1 | can you just test the compiler without autotools? |
| 07:31.04 | zeq1 | I don't understand what could be different |
| 07:31.49 | freemangordon | if I revert the toolchain to 4.6.2 it is again ok :( |
| 07:33.02 | zeq1 | :( ??? |
| 07:33.23 | freemangordon | yeah, pity |
| 07:33.48 | freemangordon | <romaxa> freemangordon: have you managed to split-up your patch and check if it works without that coment/condition confict |
| 07:34.03 | freemangordon | zeq1: ^^^ |
| 07:34.24 | freemangordon | I gtg, will continue later |
| 07:34.26 | freemangordon | bb |
| 07:34.30 | zeq1 | I hmm I'm on #mobile now |
| 07:34.45 | zeq1 | see you in a bit |
| 07:35.26 | freemangordon | zeq1: I saw, just pasting here the question romaxa asked :) |
| 07:36.49 | zeq1 | thanks freemangordon |
| 07:36.50 | zeq1 | :) |
| 07:41.31 | freemangordon | zeq1: the problem with your toolchain could be that it does not have default values for those vars |
| 07:41.41 | freemangordon | anyway, i am off |
| 07:42.42 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: ping |
| 07:47.15 | Macer | A pregnant Amish woman picking berries in the woods near her Pennsylvania home was killed by lightning on her due date. The fetus also died. |
| 07:47.26 | Macer | wow... seriously makes you question the amish faith |
| 07:51.30 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I'm trying to track it down |
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| 07:53.02 | zeq1 | freemangordon: could be a different libtool version (it's provided by the toolchain) |
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| 08:01.23 | Psi | is there an n900 app that automatically sends an email when it gets a txt or a missed call? |
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| 08:07.03 | freemangordon | zeq1: i am going to setup a new target, maybe some remnants from 4.6.2 are to blame |
| 08:07.06 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I'm _certain_ it's because the new toolchain has a more recent libtool version. |
| 08:07.42 | zeq1 | (this is inherited from the more recent sb-toolchain |
| 08:07.45 | zeq1 | ) |
| 08:08.20 | zeq1 | IMHO the correct thing to do is correct the packages, since it's actually just stricter with real autotools bugs |
| 08:09.25 | zeq1 | freemangordon: the fennec OpenGL support has been completely messed up |
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| 08:10.26 | zeq1 | GLdouble is getting defined twice all over the place because the GLDefs.h header is getting included too early. |
| 08:10.49 | zeq1 | ie before QGLContext |
| 08:11.07 | freemangordon | there is a bug report for that too, romaxa is working on it |
| 08:11.13 | zeq1 | ah ok :) |
| 08:11.34 | zeq1 | I'm obviously a bit slow today ;) |
| 08:12.18 | zeq1 | freemangordon: what do you think about autotools |
| 08:12.20 | zeq1 | ? |
| 08:13.01 | zeq1 | I could try to force sb-toolchain-extras to use an ancient libtool version, but I *know* that will break other things |
| 08:13.19 | zeq1 | LTO for example |
| 08:13.40 | zeq1 | I know this from Gentoo :P |
| 08:14.43 | zeq1 | When I've attempted to emerge @world with LTO enabled, packages which ship their own old libtool or don't get autoreconf'd break. |
| 08:15.46 | zeq1 | It's usually not too difficult to fix up the bugs |
| 08:20.59 | freemangordon | zeq1: no joy with new target too :( |
| 08:21.27 | zeq1 | freemangordon: like I said ^ it's the newer libtool version |
| 08:21.54 | freemangordon | zeq1: why default is --with-fpu=neon? |
| 08:22.02 | zeq1 | why not? |
| 08:22.24 | freemangordon | because the original is with --with-fpu=vfp, we don;t know what that will break |
| 08:23.01 | zeq1 | it shouldn't break anything that doesn't break with the new gcc IMO |
| 08:23.40 | zeq1 | it just allows NEON instruction selection/intrinsics |
| 08:23.54 | freemangordon | well, ok |
| 08:24.51 | zeq1 | -mfpu=vfp still works |
| 08:25.08 | zeq1 | if it's really needed |
| 08:25.32 | zeq1 | (if for example a package uses neon intrinsics, but the code is broken) |
| 08:25.48 | freemangordon | ok |
| 08:26.16 | zeq1 | although --disable-neon or something for that package would probably be more approriate probably |
| 08:26.21 | zeq1 | anyway.... |
| 08:27.09 | zeq1 | shall I fixup the automake stuff liblibgtkmozembed |
| 08:27.13 | zeq1 | ? |
| 08:28.01 | freemangordon | how? |
| 08:28.08 | freemangordon | new toolchain? |
| 08:28.36 | freemangordon | zeq1: ^^^ |
| 08:28.40 | zeq1 | as I said it's real bugs exposed by the newer libtool |
| 08:29.02 | zeq1 | we can't really use an old libtool with new gcc |
| 08:29.12 | freemangordon | but, but, it works with 4.6.2 |
| 08:29.13 | zeq1 | since it breaks gcc support |
| 08:29.27 | freemangordon | and we cannot fix all the packages |
| 08:29.27 | zeq1 | depends which features you use |
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| 08:29.39 | zeq1 | most probably aren't broken |
| 08:29.41 | freemangordon | the same libgtkmozembed compilation is ok |
| 08:30.02 | freemangordon | well, configure |
| 08:30.16 | zeq1 | yes it's just the libtoolize/automake |
| 08:30.34 | freemangordon | hmm, lemme try to upgrade automake |
| 08:30.48 | zeq1 | ok |
| 08:31.11 | vi__ | good morning gents |
| 08:31.28 | zeq1 | I suspect (hope) you were just unlucky with libgtkmozembed |
| 08:31.28 | vi__ | Do you know if it is possible to just dump the raw nmea strings from the N900 gps? |
| 08:31.32 | zeq1 | hi vi__ |
| 08:31.56 | vi__ | But what if he comes bac?? zeqs dead baby, zeqs dead! |
| 08:32.48 | zeq1 | freemangordon: fixing libgtkmozembed was easy |
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| 08:38.31 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've put a patch up on my site |
| 08:38.46 | zeq1 | libgtkmozembed-libtool.patch |
| 08:38.51 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 08:42.40 | zeq1 | need to add it to quilt |
| 08:42.46 | freemangordon | zeq1: well, hildon-desktop builds ok, so no new toolchain :D |
| 08:43.04 | freemangordon | libgtkmozembed was the first package i tried |
| 08:43.10 | freemangordon | forget about it |
| 08:43.56 | zeq1 | I've built it with the patch |
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| 08:44.22 | zeq1 | it's probably worth you taking a look at the patch just to see what had to be changed |
| 08:44.34 | freemangordon | ok |
| 08:45.23 | freemangordon | zeq1: nice, i will keep that in mind for a referenc |
| 08:45.26 | freemangordon | e |
| 08:47.02 | zeq1 | freemangordon: if you want to try autovectorization (will probably break some things) you should use -ftree-vectorize in conjunction with -ffast-math or -Ofast |
| 08:47.13 | zeq1 | -fgraphite is optional |
| 08:47.20 | zeq1 | but works fine too |
| 08:48.03 | zeq1 | fast-math is needed because neon instructions don't get used where they aren't ieee-math compliant without it |
| 08:48.10 | freemangordon | zeq1: for some reason your messages crash my IRC client :( |
| 08:48.13 | zeq1 | (it falls back to vfp) |
| 08:48.26 | zeq1 | impressive :S |
| 08:48.41 | freemangordon | not all of them, but still :S |
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| 08:48.49 | zeq1 | I'm using irssi |
| 08:49.07 | freemangordon | leafchat here, used to work ok till half an hour |
| 08:49.09 | zeq1 | that certainly shouldn't cause a problem !?! |
| 08:49.25 | zeq1 | maybe it's the things I say it doesn't like (!) |
| 08:49.32 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
| 08:50.16 | freemangordon | well, toolchain looks ok. did youtry to install gcc-base,libstdc++ and libgcc1 on the device? |
| 08:50.34 | zeq1 | I did with my old b0rken versions... |
| 08:50.42 | zeq1 | it's going to be fun ... |
| 08:51.03 | zeq1 | (I also installed qt4 with dep on epoch 4 gcc debs |
| 08:51.07 | zeq1 | ) |
| 08:51.09 | freemangordon | could you try the latest (stripped). I don't want to risk to remain without a phone :D |
| 08:51.24 | zeq1 | yes, ofc |
| 08:51.25 | freemangordon | well, you could tell dpkg to ignore dependencis |
| 08:51.36 | zeq1 | I'll probably have to! |
| 08:52.29 | zeq1 | goes ahead and tries not to break his N900 anymore than he already has... |
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| 08:54.42 | jonwil | pali: ping |
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| 08:54.49 | Pali | jonwil, pong |
| 08:55.16 | jonwil | I updated a couple of links in http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages |
| 08:55.29 | Pali | yes I got emails |
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| 08:55.47 | jonwil | specifically calendar-backend-*, camera-firmware and tone-generator were updated to point to the correct PR1.3 revisions |
| 08:55.57 | jonwil | or in the case of tone-generator, as close as its possible to get |
| 08:56.09 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I'm replacing libqt4* at the same time, but it would have been a good idea not to have installed the dbg and dev packages... crap |
| 08:57.08 | Pali | jonwil, decompiled prolog code show that there is no regular way to enable jack bias |
| 08:57.26 | Pali | there must be incoming call or active call |
| 08:58.05 | jonwil | so manually sending something to alsaped wont help? |
| 08:58.09 | Pali | and you can create "virtual" call via libplayback library (register your app as voip and set state active) |
| 08:58.13 | jonwil | because prolog will disable it off |
| 08:58.35 | Pali | ohm more times check prolog predicates and emits dbus signals |
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| 08:59.02 | Pali | so something which may work is to listen for jackbias off signal and then send jackbias on |
| 08:59.23 | Pali | but you need to sent that array of dicts via dbus - and I do not know how |
| 08:59.48 | Pali | I changed OMP code to act as ipcall - voip |
| 08:59.56 | Pali | and set state active |
| 09:00.03 | Pali | it really enabled jackbias |
| 09:00.15 | jonwil | ok, so if we can pretend to be voip, does that solve the problem? |
| 09:00.17 | jonwil | or not? |
| 09:00.22 | Pali | but in voip active call is MAFW audio output disabled |
| 09:00.28 | jonwil | ok |
| 09:00.40 | Pali | ohm set volume level to 0 |
| 09:00.47 | Pali | and it cannot be changed |
| 09:00.57 | jonwil | seems like the only hope would be to convince Nokia (or Kristztian Litkey as the maintainer of policy-settings-rx51) to publish the prolog code so we can modify it... |
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| 09:01.12 | jonwil | That or apply big hacks to ohm and various other parts of the audio system |
| 09:01.34 | Pali | jonwil, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1242365&postcount=39 |
| 09:01.50 | Pali | call_active or call_alerting must be true |
| 09:01.52 | jonwil | yes I saw that |
| 09:02.02 | Pali | otherwise jackbias us off |
| 09:02.46 | Pali | but if call_active or call_alerting is true audio output is enabled only from audio call |
| 09:03.16 | Pali | so this cannot be enabled without modifing context_variable(jackbias, B) :- predicate |
| 09:03.50 | zeq1 | freemangordon: installing the qt4 dbg and dev debs on the N900 is a *very bad* idea |
| 09:03.57 | jonwil | why is it bad? |
| 09:04.12 | zeq1 | because thet don't fit! |
| 09:04.15 | Pali | you cannot enable jack bias for OMP |
| 09:04.18 | zeq1 | s/thet/they/ |
| 09:04.20 | jonwil | ok |
| 09:04.28 | Pali | so headset button will not work in OMP |
| 09:04.52 | zeq1 | package gets left in bad state after no space left |
| 09:04.53 | Pali | jonwil, if we can load that binary prolog code to interpretor there should be way to add new predicate and then compile that prolog code again to file |
| 09:04.54 | freemangordon | zeq1: yeah :D |
| 09:05.31 | Pali | jonwil, current loaded code can be compiled by: qsave_program('/path/to/output/file', []). |
| 09:05.37 | zeq1 | freemangordon: otherwise, it seems to be working ok |
| 09:06.02 | freemangordon | WTF is with my irc client :( |
| 09:06.10 | jonwil | so the way I see it, we have several options: 1 is to somehow get the prolog source and modify it to do what we want (way to toggle jackbias without being in audio call), 2 is to write something to send jackbias stuff to alsaped (and detect when ohm tries to override it), 3 is to hack ohmd and whatever else to override the thing where it turns off the other audio when a call is in progress |
| 09:06.45 | freemangordon | zeq1: could you ping me? |
| 09:07.01 | Pali | jonwil, can you ask that nokia guy about it? |
| 09:07.21 | zeq1 | freemangordon: ping |
| 09:07.23 | jonwil | if you can help me come up with some details of what to say, yeah, I can send the email I guess |
| 09:07.49 | freemangordon | hmm, yeah, it was that i turned sounds, and now I am connected through remote desktop |
| 09:08.03 | freemangordon | now with sounds disabled it is ok |
| 09:08.31 | Pali | ask if he can send us source code of that packge, write that all ohm/prolog/dres code is published but policy-settings-rx51 is missing |
| 09:08.46 | Pali | or if there is other way how to enable jack bias |
| 09:09.17 | zeq1 | freemangordon: you're back with us then? :) |
| 09:09.29 | freemangordon | zeq1: yeah :D |
| 09:10.08 | freemangordon | zeq1: could you repeat what is the status of packages when istalled on the device? |
| 09:10.23 | freemangordon | i missed those messages |
| 09:11.11 | zeq1 | the libstdc++6 and libgcc1 seem to work fine |
| 09:11.36 | zeq1 | I've just got a few incomplete installs of dbg and dev debs I need to clean up |
| 09:11.49 | freemangordon | what about gcc-base? |
| 09:11.55 | zeq1 | yep |
| 09:11.57 | zeq1 | that too |
| 09:12.03 | jonwil | btw pali, it looks like tonegend should be possible to get matching N900 if you were to merge the fix from "stream don't kill if disconnection isn't possible" with the tree just before "removed debian packaging" |
| 09:12.18 | freemangordon | zeq1: ok, thats good news |
| 09:12.37 | freemangordon | zeq1: should we mad an oficial announcement? |
| 09:12.46 | freemangordon | s/mad/make/ |
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| 09:13.39 | zeq1 | freemangordon: just for thumb? I don't see why not :) |
| 09:13.52 | freemangordon | why only for thumb? |
| 09:14.05 | freemangordon | that's fully functional SB toolchain |
| 09:14.44 | zeq1 | I was asking :) |
| 09:14.54 | freemangordon | aah :) |
| 09:15.19 | jonwil | btw, is there a list somewhere of the packages that have so far been recompiled for thumb? |
| 09:15.31 | freemangordon | jonwil: in repo? |
| 09:15.40 | jonwil | yeah I guess so |
| 09:15.42 | jonwil | cssu-thumb repo |
| 09:15.56 | freemangordon | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/ |
| 09:16.09 | freemangordon | get packages.gz from there |
| 09:16.10 | Pali | do you know something when will be cobs? |
| 09:16.50 | freemangordon | Pali: NFC. but I wouldn't hold my breath |
| 09:17.29 | jonwil | do we have a thumb compiled libc yet? |
| 09:17.35 | Pali | freemangordon, there is problem with kp packages again |
| 09:17.40 | Pali | missing in repo :-( |
| 09:17.44 | freemangordon | fuck :( |
| 09:17.49 | freemangordon | which version? |
| 09:17.54 | freemangordon | 52? |
| 09:17.59 | Pali | 51 |
| 09:18.03 | freemangordon | r2? |
| 09:18.22 | Pali | I already contated council, problem is seems same: admin must manually set new version |
| 09:18.24 | Pali | r1 |
| 09:18.44 | Pali | I will not push new version because it cause other problems again... |
| 09:18.52 | freemangordon | jonwil: no, and i would prefer libc to stay ARM, for performance reasonc |
| 09:19.00 | Pali | only kernel-power and kernel-power-headers are OK |
| 09:19.11 | Pali | this is really not problem with version numbers |
| 09:19.31 | freemangordon | Pali: lets obsolete KP |
| 09:19.35 | zeq1 | freemangordon: it's probably worth recomiling libc though |
| 09:19.35 | jonwil | I guess thumb<->arm transitions cost performance |
| 09:19.36 | Pali | but something else, because always random kernel-power-* are OK and some not |
| 09:20.00 | jonwil | yes definatly worth recompiling libc in arm with the latest and best GCC |
| 09:20.07 | freemangordon | it just not make sense to play the same circus every time |
| 09:20.07 | Pali | I think that maemo.org has problem with parsing debian/control |
| 09:20.09 | jonwil | same with any other key system libraries like glib |
| 09:20.10 | zeq1 | freemangordon: it could give us a faster libm |
| 09:20.12 | Pali | or something else |
| 09:20.29 | Pali | we have really big debian/control due to 2 or 3 icons and a lot of provides |
| 09:21.00 | Pali | and something like random packages are ok seems like some segfault or buffer problem... |
| 09:21.26 | freemangordon | Pali: lets split KPS from KP, put KPS in extras-devel, and switch to kernel-cssu only |
| 09:21.49 | Pali | KPS is in separate source package |
| 09:22.00 | Pali | also this is missing in maemo repo too |
| 09:22.18 | zeq1 | freemangordon: we could also provide a hardfp libc in case somebody wants to use their N900 for numbercrunching ;) |
| 09:22.21 | zeq1 | runs |
| 09:22.43 | freemangordon | zeq1: kernel does not support hrdfp afaik |
| 09:22.53 | Macer | zeq1: that type of talk will get you a free N9 |
| 09:22.58 | Macer | hides under a rock |
| 09:23.03 | vi__ | finally, I can use my n900 as a rainbow table generator and a pocket heater. |
| 09:23.03 | Pali | freemangordon, council may get admin rights for repos and then I belive it will be easier |
| 09:23.22 | freemangordon | Pali: I know, but noone knows how long that will take |
| 09:23.34 | vi__ | ffs, just give the CSSU developers admin rights... |
| 09:23.37 | Macer | Pali: might be a good time to move maemo.org somewhere before nokia deletes it all |
| 09:23.47 | freemangordon | and having in mind extrash will be gone in couple of months,... |
| 09:24.03 | freemangordon | vi__: ;) |
| 09:24.12 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
| 09:24.21 | Macer | vi__: give everybody admin rights! |
| 09:24.33 | vi__ | REWT FOR EVERYONE! |
| 09:24.43 | Macer | what ever became of "free and open" ?? |
| 09:24.44 | Macer | :) |
| 09:25.00 | vi__ | Macer: DO you know how to improve the n900 gps accuracy? |
| 09:25.15 | Macer | vi__: yes.. use an external GPS :-P |
| 09:25.23 | vi__ | -_- |
| 09:25.34 | Macer | i honestly never had a problem with the gps not being accurate |
| 09:25.39 | Macer | my problem was more in the lock on time |
| 09:25.54 | freemangordon | I don't have problems on both issues |
| 09:26.00 | vi__ | I use it to map my runs and the tracks put through buildings and randomly crossing the roads. |
| 09:26.05 | freemangordon | it is acurate and locks in seconds |
| 09:26.05 | zeq1 | has anybody mirrored maemo.org? |
| 09:26.06 | Macer | freemangordon: try not using supl :-P |
| 09:26.20 | freemangordon | zeq1: merlin1991 afaik |
| 09:26.32 | freemangordon | Macer: and why is that? |
| 09:26.42 | freemangordon | it is a-gps after all |
| 09:26.48 | StyXman_ | I've seen GPS probs in narrow streets lined with ~7 stories buildings |
| 09:26.57 | Macer | freemangordon: my sim reader/modem is flakey |
| 09:27.06 | Macer | since i swapped to att i don't use the sim in the n900 anymore |
| 09:27.12 | freemangordon | aah |
| 09:27.13 | vi__ | Yesterday It told me I hit 30km/h |
| 09:27.14 | Macer | tried to use it with ecoach to go running... gave up on it |
| 09:27.22 | vi__ | total horse shit. |
| 09:27.26 | Macer | vi__: running? |
| 09:27.31 | vi__ | yes. |
| 09:27.35 | zeq1 | Macer: is you clock set accurately? |
| 09:27.35 | Macer | :) |
| 09:27.35 | freemangordon | zeq1: trying to build fennec with 4.7 |
| 09:27.48 | vi__ | yes. |
| 09:27.50 | Macer | zeq1: used ntpdate to update it |
| 09:27.52 | Macer | so yes |
| 09:27.54 | zeq1 | freemangordon: it's broken at the moment |
| 09:27.55 | Macer | wifi works fine ;) |
| 09:28.01 | zeq1 | freemangordon: the GL stuff |
| 09:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, horseshit makes me run at 30km/h?! |
| 09:28.09 | freemangordon | there's a fix for it |
| 09:28.15 | zeq1 | ah ok :) |
| 09:28.18 | vi__ | So I ran the track through gpsbabel telling it to discard wonky waypoints and it reduced that to a healthy 21km/h. |
| 09:28.37 | Macer | vi__: maybe you did hit 30km/h |
| 09:28.40 | StyXman_ | DocScrutinizer05: yah, gives you gas propulsion |
| 09:28.41 | Macer | and just didn't think you did |
| 09:28.46 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Convieniently I was adjacent to a zoo. With zebras. WHich are a kind of a horse. |
| 09:28.47 | zeq1 | freemangordon: it works with crazy CFLAGS |
| 09:28.48 | Macer | did you hear rocky music playing? |
| 09:29.06 | zeq1 | export LDFLAGS="-Wl,-rpath-link,$PWD/dist/bin/:/usr/lib:/lib -Wl,-rpath,/opt/qtm12/lib -Os -fno-strict-volatile-bitfields -flto=4 -fgraphite -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math" |
| 09:29.07 | freemangordon | zeq1: what? |
| 09:29.09 | zeq1 | export CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} -fno-strict-volatile-bitfields -flto=4 -fgraphite -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math" |
| 09:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | zebra is actually family of horse |
| 09:29.10 | Macer | vi__: were they running with yu and you were keeping up? |
| 09:29.12 | zeq1 | export CXXFLAGS="${CXXFLAGS} -fno-strict-volatile-bitfields -flto=4 -fgraphite -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math" |
| 09:29.17 | freemangordon | WOW |
| 09:29.31 | zeq1 | freemangordon: the above didn't break it (somewhat surprisingly) |
| 09:29.35 | zeq1 | :) |
| 09:29.39 | freemangordon | yeah :D |
| 09:29.43 | vi__ | The point is the gps accuracy sucks ass. |
| 09:29.51 | freemangordon | is this the latest? |
| 09:29.59 | Macer | vi__: i just use my lumia 900 to run ;) and endomondo |
| 09:30.11 | vi__ | actually that is not strictly true. |
| 09:30.29 | Macer | but when i did use my n900's gps it seemed ok to me |
| 09:30.32 | freemangordon | zeq1: is this the latest m-c? |
| 09:30.33 | vi__ | I just want a program that can intelligently discard bogus gps waypoints. |
| 09:30.38 | Macer | minus the ovi maps being total crap |
| 09:30.41 | freemangordon | that runs with those flags? |
| 09:31.04 | zeq1 | it was the latest when you asked me to rebase yesterday |
| 09:31.08 | Macer | ovi maps has to be the absolutely worst type of nav software i have ever used my entire life |
| 09:31.19 | freemangordon | ok |
| 09:31.34 | Macer | i think the 1980s PLGRs we had in the military were better than ovi maps |
| 09:31.43 | Macer | using that and an actual paper map would get me somewhere faster |
| 09:31.45 | zeq1 | yes, and the ssl problem had gone away (not sure if that was related to using crazy flags though) |
| 09:32.16 | zeq1 | it defintely felt faster (although we know the js jit wasn't as quick as it has been) |
| 09:32.39 | Macer | when is someone going to find out how i can get maemo on my transformer? :-P |
| 09:32.55 | Pali | jonwil, I know how to add new predicate to binary prolog file |
| 09:33.13 | Pali | jonwil, but I need your env where you can load that binary file into swipl |
| 09:33.31 | zeq1 | freemangordon: m-c has been updated, shall I rebase? |
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| 09:34.40 | freemangordon | zeq1: yes |
| 09:34.54 | freemangordon | zeq1: BTW libfakeroot is sb1 version |
| 09:35.02 | jonwil | hmmm, one problem is knowing if that policy-settings-rx51 guy is even still at Nokia |
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| 09:35.12 | zeq1 | freemangordon: also remember fennec won't build without the qt header being fixed |
| 09:35.22 | freemangordon | ok |
| 09:35.40 | Pali | jonwil, send email |
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| 09:36.05 | Pali | if he is not in nokia you immedialely got email responce about address is not correct |
| 09:36.16 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I think that's okay though (correct) since it's for SB, not the device, right? |
| 09:36.16 | jonwil | googling now to see if I can find mention of him somewhere |
| 09:37.36 | Pali | jonwil, you can add new predicate to binary file: load binary file into swipl, write new predicate to text file 'new.pl', run consult('new.pl'). and then run qsave_program('new_binary', []). |
| 09:37.59 | jonwil | will that override any existing predicate of the same name? |
| 09:38.09 | Pali | no |
| 09:38.17 | Pali | it will extend predicate |
| 09:38.58 | Pali | but in prolog is unification, so prolog will try next term if he got false |
| 09:40.04 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've pushd the rebase |
| 09:40.36 | Pali | jonwil, this http://pastebin.com/86t4iQ6u should enable jackbias when headset is connected |
| 09:40.44 | Pali | (deleted that active call check) |
| 09:41.04 | freemangordon | ok, gcc4.7 libs are in thumb repo |
| 09:42.00 | zeq1 | cool :) |
| 09:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 09:42.48 | zeq1 | morning DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:42.55 | jonwil | ok, google shows that Krisztian was clearly involved in the opening of ohm bits for MeeGo (including the creation of policy-settings-basic) |
| 09:43.16 | jonwil | at the very least he may be able to share why policy-settings-rx51 cant be shared |
| 09:44.07 | vi__ | jonwil: hassle stkeeps. |
| 09:44.14 | vi__ | He seems to have access to EVERYTHING. |
| 09:44.19 | freemangordon | yeah, on #meego |
| 09:44.36 | vi__ | Although he cannot tell you stuff covered by NDA, he may be able to hint... |
| 09:44.39 | Pali | forgot about stkeeps |
| 09:44.42 | jonwil | ok |
| 09:44.48 | jonwil | if you say so pali |
| 09:45.06 | Pali | I asked for scripts which genereate list of closed and open packages |
| 09:45.07 | vi__ | jonwil: stkeeps has access to ALL the closed source shizzle. |
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| 09:47.32 | jonwil | ok, will email Krisztian then |
| 09:47.49 | jonwil | I doubt hassling stskeeps will help in this case |
| 09:48.43 | jonwil | given that Krisztian was involved in the opening of the ohm bits, he at the very least might be able to explain why policy-settings-rx51 was not opened and policy-settings-basic was created instead |
| 09:51.30 | jonwil | I think its worth linking to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83447&page=4 in the email to explain why we care about this stuff and whats important about it |
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| 09:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think a question of "why did you do XY, in context of FOSSing stuff" is usually futile. Too much involvement of legal department, and management assigning work packages to particular groups |
| 09:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | find better questions, you only got a limited number of them you'll get answered |
| 10:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. "what are the differences between policy-settings-rx51 and policy-settings-basic, either on a diff or on an abstract level?" might already a better wuation than anything starting with "why" |
| 10:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/wua/ques/ |
| 10:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: ^^^ |
| 10:02.18 | jonwil | yeah true |
| 10:04.19 | jonwil | ok, so pali, can you tell me exactly what jackbias is and why we want to be able to turn it on? |
| 10:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | jackbias aka micbias is a ->phantom powersupply for the headset microphone. The relevant paper says: 2V via 2kR. It's needed to power the mosfet amp in electret microphones, and also it detects pushbutton press on headset, which simply shorts mic line to GND |
| 10:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically it's just a pullup via 2k2 on ring3 of hs-jack, from a stabilized noise-free power surce |
| 10:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | source* |
| 10:09.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | we want to turn it on to enable recording from headset microphone and to enable detection of button press on headset |
| 10:10.20 | zeq1 | freemangordon: when you get the chance, can you try rebuilding qmltube? It's the package that has DH_COMPAT=7... |
| 10:11.30 | freemangordon | zeq1: there is a new autotools in extras-devel |
| 10:11.57 | freemangordon | or new debhelper, or whatever |
| 10:12.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21182 |
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| 10:12.44 | zeq1 | except the debian-etch devkit gets used! I must be missing something. |
| 10:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: jonwil: ^^^ |
| 10:13.19 | freemangordon | zeq1: where were debian Qt patches you pointed to some weeks ago |
| 10:14.19 | zeq1 | freemangordon: hold on |
| 10:14.22 | freemangordon | I want to merge once performance patch from there |
| 10:14.32 | freemangordon | s/once/one/ |
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| 10:15.40 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 10:16.00 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I looked the other day and they've moved onto 4.8 :/ |
| 10:16.18 | zeq1 | I couldn't see any 4.7 in the debian patch system anymore |
| 10:16.39 | freemangordon | fuuuck, isn't there som archive? |
| 10:16.57 | zeq1 | there *must* be |
| 10:17.10 | zeq1 | is there a reason we can't move onto 4.8? |
| 10:17.17 | freemangordon | yea |
| 10:17.31 | freemangordon | cssu is 4.7.2 |
| 10:17.31 | zeq1 | isn't it compatible? |
| 10:17.37 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 10:17.40 | zeq1 | I mean cssu too |
| 10:17.48 | freemangordon | but that is a major change |
| 10:18.14 | zeq1 | it's not like jumping straight to qt5 though |
| 10:18.15 | freemangordon | and having in mind tha buch of problems we had with 4.7.2 I will not do it |
| 10:18.30 | freemangordon | zeq1: it is, maemo5 support was dropped long ago |
| 10:18.36 | zeq1 | ah |
| 10:18.53 | zeq1 | so it would need forward porting |
| 10:19.08 | zeq1 | :( |
| 10:19.17 | freemangordon | so, at least there is a very important reason to upgrade to 4.8 and/or above, I wouldn't touch it |
| 10:19.33 | freemangordon | s/so, /,so is / |
| 10:19.47 | freemangordon | hehe, typos day again |
| 10:19.52 | zeq1 | :) |
| 10:20.28 | zeq1 | maybe I'll take a look if I find myself with too much time on my hands |
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| 10:21.45 | zeq1 | is HARM also staying at 4.7.2? |
| 10:21.52 | freemangordon | yes |
| 10:22.04 | zeq1 | I take it Mer is using qt5? |
| 10:22.10 | freemangordon | zeq1: no matter it is 4.8 now, where is the address? |
| 10:22.22 | freemangordon | zeq1: Qt5 is not released yet |
| 10:23.27 | zeq1 | looking for it |
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| 10:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=593405&postcount=64 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=593468&postcount=67 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=593592&postcount=74 !!! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=659580&postcount=80 !!! |
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| 10:27.31 | Pali | Doc, postcount=74 is incorrect for our last pr1.3 prolog code |
| 10:27.36 | zeq | freemangordon: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/qt4-x11/4:4.8.2-1 |
| 10:27.42 | Pali | Doc, see decompiled prolog code |
| 10:27.57 | Pali | I already written where is problem |
| 10:28.34 | Pali | jackbias ON is defined if there is fact: active call or incoming call |
| 10:29.12 | Pali | postcount 80 is hacking with one config file |
| 10:29.24 | Pali | but this does not work correcly for pr1.3 |
| 10:29.42 | Pali | ohm send some signals to alsaped to disable it sometimes |
| 10:29.58 | Pali | Doc, I already read all this info month ago |
| 10:30.53 | Pali | jonwil, jackbias in alsa/ohm/prolog/policy/other prog is switch which enable/disable button on wired headset, nothing more in our application context |
| 10:31.42 | Pali | Doc, look at pr1.3 prolog code here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1242365&postcount=39 |
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| 10:34.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I already tried to use libplayback to report active call via: PB_CLASS_VOIP and PB_STATE_PLAY |
| 10:34.18 | Pali | This really enabled jackbias but MAFW in this state is muted |
| 10:34.25 | Pali | so not useble for OMP |
| 10:35.12 | zeq1 | freemangordon: any luck finding your patch? |
| 10:35.24 | Hurrian | freemangordon, I assume the gcc-4.7 thumb compiled binaries will be up in a few days? |
| 10:37.26 | zeq1 | Hurrian: it will be as and when they are built. The idea with having libstdc++6 and libgcc1 already available is to support them as they appear. |
| 10:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: whatever, I started recorder and it recorded from headset mic, so evidently micbias been enabled |
| 10:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I did this when I tried to find out about multibutton-headset protocol used |
| 10:38.05 | Pali | Doc, really button worked? |
| 10:38.14 | Hurrian | zeq1, cool. My N900's a nice testing tablet nowadays, my daily phone stuff moved to N9. |
| 10:38.35 | Hurrian | speaking of which, the battery life is fantastic now that the cell radio isn't being used |
| 10:38.38 | Pali | also, recorder can set playback mode to active call VOIP |
| 10:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, whenever micbias is enabled, yes the button shorts it to ground and you can detect this via hardware |
| 10:38.44 | zeq1 | Hurrian: if you don't mind testing please go ahead and install them if you haven't already :) |
| 10:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc if the sw bits for dbus signalling or whatever been in place |
| 10:39.04 | freemangordon | zeq1: still no :( |
| 10:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but micbias been active |
| 10:39.16 | zeq1 | there must be an archive somewhere |
| 10:39.23 | zeq1 | freemangordon: ^ |
| 10:39.26 | Pali | Doc, enabling mic != enabling jackbias |
| 10:39.30 | Pali | see alsamixer -c 0 |
| 10:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | YES! it is! |
| 10:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | when mic *works* it *needs* micbias to do so |
| 10:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and micbias in turn will allow detection of button shorting it to GND |
| 10:40.51 | Pali | ok, I will try it |
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| 10:41.05 | Pali | which app did you used for recording? |
| 10:41.11 | zeq1 | freemangordon: maybe we can find an outdated debian mirror with the source pkg? |
| 10:41.15 | Pali | want to see source code |
| 10:41.19 | Hurrian | freemangordon: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2012-April/021310.html |
| 10:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't suggest fuzzing with alsamixer will automatically enable micbias whenever you unmute mic |
| 10:41.59 | Hurrian | zeq1, I assume that was the patch for Qt that was needed |
| 10:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | but evidently recorder did something that did both enable mic and power up micbias |
| 10:42.31 | freemangordon | Hurrian: no problem with that, in debian patch system there was a patch to speedup pixmap rendering |
| 10:42.47 | freemangordon | or something |
| 10:43.01 | Pali | Doc, now I tested Recorder app |
| 10:43.16 | Pali | It recodered from headset mic |
| 10:43.19 | freemangordon | zeq: wrong channel :P |
| 10:43.20 | MohammadAG | teotwaki: Pong |
| 10:43.21 | Pali | but jackbias was OFF |
| 10:43.27 | zeq1 | oops! |
| 10:43.30 | Pali | so Doc, what you wrote is not true |
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| 10:43.50 | zeq1 | hehe |
| 10:43.58 | Hurrian | freemangordon, it wasn't simply QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster? |
| 10:43.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I diunno what type of headset you use, since normally those microphones do not work without micbias |
| 10:44.09 | Pali | Doc, it is not micbias |
| 10:44.13 | Pali | but jackbias alsa switch |
| 10:44.20 | Pali | I'm using standard n900 headset |
| 10:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, there's only one hw line |
| 10:44.51 | Pali | I do not know how this is in HW, but I see what SW is doing... |
| 10:45.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | from top to bottom: left, right, mic+button+CVBS-out, GND |
| 10:45.25 | Pali | seems that nokia created other usefull SW alsa switch |
| 10:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as you want to record from mic+button+CVBS-out, you need to apply phantom supply aka micbias aka jackbias |
| 10:45.56 | zeq1 | freemangordon: anyway, as I accidently was saying on the wrong channel, it has a link to vcs at the bottm |
| 10:46.23 | zeq1 | and 4.7.x is tagged |
| 10:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and button shorts mic+button+CVBS-out to GND, thus creating a pushbutton event that gets detected by dedicated hw in N900 |
| 10:46.48 | freemangordon | yeah, saw that |
| 10:47.02 | freemangordon | now i only need to remember which version to look in |
| 10:47.48 | Pali | Doc, see this: http://svn.jacekowski.org/host_mode/trunk/sound/soc/omap/rx51.c |
| 10:48.02 | Pali | there are more jack swicthes exported to alsa |
| 10:48.48 | Pali | there is "Mic Jack" |
| 10:49.12 | zeq1 | freemangordon: the qt4.7.3 brach should have it |
| 10:49.19 | zeq1 | branch8 |
| 10:49.24 | zeq1 | branch* |
| 10:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | your domain to analyze the fsckdup alse sw |
| 10:49.34 | zeq1 | freemangordon: you're not the only one who can't type today! |
| 10:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hw anyway works like I described |
| 10:49.54 | freemangordon | yes baby: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/Improve-performance-of-partial-updates-in-raster-win.patch;h=82625af1be51deb06b3bd06761acda33c0e2738a;hb=qt4.7.3 |
| 10:50.28 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05 ok, but for HW access on n900 is possible only that nokia alsa code |
| 10:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope it's FOSS |
| 10:51.05 | zeq1 | freemangordon: any other useful patches in there? |
| 10:51.21 | Pali | and asla "Jack Bias Switch" must be enabled for wired headset button |
| 10:52.26 | jonwil | http://pastebin.com/1DTyBtag |
| 10:52.37 | jonwil | Thats what I have for the email so far |
| 10:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know alsaped is a friggin undocumented closed blob, but I never expected great magic in alsa itself |
| 10:53.13 | jonwil | any feedback on the email so far? |
| 10:53.22 | zeq | freemangordon: what about: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git;a=commit;h=290508beb1b09df83a1f9bcae2a9d9b71a21b332 |
| 10:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | alsa mixer is just confusing maybe |
| 10:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but not obscured |
| 10:54.00 | zeq1 | freemangordon: never mind, it's just a packaging patch |
| 10:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all alsamixer is FOSS |
| 10:54.19 | zeq1 | I was hoping it might fix the QGLWidget errors |
| 10:54.38 | freemangordon | zeq1: well, for now I think performance patch, and your patches for 4.7 should be enough |
| 10:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, have to run |
| 10:54.46 | zeq1 | sure |
| 10:54.49 | Pali | doc, yes alsamixer only show kernel alsa switches |
| 10:54.57 | freemangordon | brb |
| 10:55.05 | Pali | and this switch is in that rx51.c sound code |
| 10:55.16 | Pali | jonwil, for me looks OK |
| 10:55.44 | Pali | jonwil, maybe you should write that jackbias is needed for working headset button |
| 10:56.26 | jonwil | "We really want to make jackbias work as it is needed to make the headset button on the wired headphones function properly." |
| 10:56.31 | jonwil | That sound good?> |
| 10:56.45 | Pali | and also if it is enabled in alsamixer, then some app (ohmd, alsaped, prolog, ...) disable it in some minutes |
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| 10:56.51 | zeq1 | freemangordon: remember it fails to build without one of my my go-faster flags, not sure which, might be -flto |
| 10:56.58 | Pali | jonwil, ok |
| 10:57.35 | jonwil | what should I use as a subject line? |
| 10:58.08 | Pali | Info about maemo sound policy |
| 10:58.28 | Pali | or Enabling jackbias |
| 10:59.19 | jonwil | "Question about maemo sound policy/Open Hardware Manager" |
| 10:59.24 | jonwil | that sounds good |
| 10:59.30 | Pali | ok |
| 10:59.38 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've put my qmake.conf up on my site |
| 10:59.48 | jonwil | email sent |
| 10:59.56 | jonwil | will let everyone know if I hear anything back |
| 11:01.06 | jonwil | ok, it bounced |
| 11:01.34 | jonwil | ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <krisztian.litkey@nokia.com> |
| 11:02.06 | zeq1 | jonwil: not surprising |
| 11:02.55 | jonwil | pali, any ideas what to do next? |
| 11:03.03 | Pali | find working new address |
| 11:03.09 | Pali | I started googling... |
| 11:03.09 | jonwil | how? |
| 11:03.11 | jonwil | ok |
| 11:03.15 | jonwil | if you find one let me know |
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| 11:03.25 | Pali | https://gitorious.org/~hackgyver |
| 11:03.36 | zeq1 | freemangordon: if you use -flto, remember you need to have the optimization options in LDFLAGS too |
| 11:03.53 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:04.03 | freemangordon | but i am far from that :) |
| 11:05.02 | zeq1 | freemangordon: well as said ^^ I've put my qmake.conf up on my site if that helps ;) |
| 11:05.07 | jonwil | should I send him a message through gitorius then? |
| 11:06.11 | jonwil | message sent |
| 11:07.35 | jonwil | now if I could just find matches-to-n900 packages for libxcb-xv0-dev, libxcb-randr0-dev and libsp-timestamp-dev... |
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| 11:08.54 | Pali | jonwil, here is @intel address: http://www.mail-archive.com/nemo-commits@lists.merproject.org/msg00594.html |
| 11:09.23 | Pali | try this |
| 11:09.51 | jonwil | ok, will do |
| 11:11.24 | jonwil | BTW, having looked deeper at the prolog stuff, I am now fairly sure that its not GPL |
| 11:11.30 | jonwil | i.e. that Nokia are not required to share the source |
| 11:12.21 | jonwil | the policy-settings-basic is GPL |
| 11:12.39 | jonwil | but I see nothing in policy-settings-rx51 to suggest that its GPL |
| 11:12.46 | jonwil | or otherwise violating someones license |
| 11:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | FSCK U Google, fsck u internettablettalk, I get 121311211324323 hits for every shit you could imagine, all due to >>20 minutes ago – What we know about alsa-policy-enforcement and alsaped? (40). to Nokia N900 by pali - 16 mins ago. overclocking kernel modules + UI for ...<< in "active threads" of the page |
| 11:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | when googling for alsaped |
| 11:13.51 | jonwil | ok, from the intel address I get "I'm currently out of the office." |
| 11:13.55 | jonwil | autoreply |
| 11:13.59 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've cherry-picked the fixes from mozilla-central/inbound, shall I push? |
| 11:14.05 | freemangordon | zeq1: ok, put it, i can use it for reference |
| 11:14.31 | jonwil | which means the address is valid :) |
| 11:14.50 | freemangordon | zeq1: seems lots of activity today on m-c, and sunspider regression patches seems to be backed out |
| 11:15.21 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've pushed the cherry-picks to our git repo |
| 11:15.26 | freemangordon | yes, push them, hopefully it won't bring us problems |
| 11:15.28 | freemangordon | :D |
| 11:15.29 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:15.48 | zeq1 | oh, were you looking for my qmake.conf? |
| 11:15.56 | zeq1 | it should be in maemo on my site |
| 11:16.01 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:16.45 | zeq1 | I need an index.html :P |
| 11:17.42 | freemangordon | zeq1: and it works ok with -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math |
| 11:17.48 | freemangordon | qt i mean |
| 11:17.59 | zeq1 | yes |
| 11:18.16 | zeq1 | at least, my testing hasn't resulting in any problems |
| 11:18.27 | freemangordon | hmm, and what is -fgraphite |
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| 11:19.36 | zeq | http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/Graphite |
| 11:19.46 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 11:19.49 | jonwil | ok, I think we have done all we can regarding jackbias right now |
| 11:19.50 | Pali | jonwil, can you try to send that email to others ohm/dres/prolog/.. devs? |
| 11:20.06 | jonwil | dont know of any other devs |
| 11:20.19 | Pali | look at debian/changelog and debian/control |
| 11:22.10 | Pali | jonwil, here is libxcb-xv0-dev and libxcb-randr0-dev: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libx/libxcb/ |
| 11:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: GAIA ADCIN2 / ECI_AD is direct analog voltage detect of micline/ring3 |
| 11:22.57 | freemangordon | zeq1: what LDFLAGS for Qt? |
| 11:23.32 | Pali | Doc, we alredy found it in N900 HW spec |
| 11:23.51 | Pali | when we tried to find twl madc ADCIN* for bat temp |
| 11:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: N4007/ECI0 is comparator output to OMAP IRQ pin U3 GPMC_nBE1 |
| 11:24.36 | zeq1 | freemangordon: it should be in my qmake.conf |
| 11:25.55 | Pali | Doc, my idea about jackbias switch is that this is SW which which drop headset button events... |
| 11:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 11:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hw is just fine as long as you enable N4040 CODEC B11 MICBIAS_B |
| 11:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course switch mux to mic (not TVOUT) |
| 11:30.31 | jonwil | can't find libsp-timestamp-dev |
| 11:33.36 | Pali | it is really needed for freamtnel version? |
| 11:34.04 | Pali | yes, it is |
| 11:34.12 | Pali | for ohm-plugins-misc |
| 11:34.30 | Pali | try scratchbox $ apt-get source libsp-timestamp-dev |
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| 11:35.20 | jonwil | that doesn't help |
| 11:35.23 | Pali | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/s/sp-timestamp/ |
| 11:35.26 | Pali | nothing more |
| 11:36.04 | Pali | ohm-plugins-misc_0.6.65+0m5_armel.deb does not depend on that libsp- package |
| 11:36.12 | jonwil | no |
| 11:36.14 | jonwil | just the source package |
| 11:36.20 | Pali | so I think dependency for ohm-plugins-misc is useless |
| 11:36.20 | jonwil | and some other package it builds |
| 11:37.02 | Pali | try version from harmattan now |
| 11:37.54 | Pali | library libsp-timestamp is not in maemo5, so none maemo package depends on it |
| 11:38.11 | Pali | try removing that package from debian/control and built it |
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| 11:39.21 | jonwil | yeah |
| 11:45.57 | jonwil | ok, that worked |
| 11:46.03 | jonwil | ohm-plugins-misc is building |
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| 11:49.45 | jonwil | btw, that libep sounds nice for understanding dbus signals sent by ohm daemon |
| 11:50.45 | jonwil | BTW pali, I couldn't find anyone else listed in the ohm stuff worth sending email to |
| 11:52.33 | zeq1 | freemangordon: romaxa's header order build fix in inbound wasn't sufficient, he'd neglected to move the GLdouble_defined along with the includes. I've pushed a fix to our tree. |
| 11:53.39 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:54.21 | freemangordon | I am off for lunch |
| 11:55.49 | zeq1 | me too :) |
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| 11:56.54 | Pali | jonwil, ok |
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| 12:03.23 | jonwil | hey, cool, I didn't know osso-games-chess was open source... :) |
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| 12:07.15 | FIQ|n900 | it is? |
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| 12:08.10 | FIQ|n900 | port the fritz 12 engine to n900 :o (closed source? pfff) |
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| 12:38.11 | jonwil | bah, my computer speakers broke :( |
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| 12:49.40 | kerio | jonwil: lrn2headphones |
| 12:50.51 | jonwil | headphones dont give me the sound I like (and have gotten from my last 3 or so sets of 2.1 PC speakers) |
| 12:51.09 | jonwil | I like a bit of bass :) |
| 12:54.03 | kerio | i have some really nice bluetooth headphones that have a shitton of bass |
| 12:54.06 | kerio | perhaps even too much |
| 12:55.20 | jonwil | I also dont particularly like the way headphones feel |
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| 12:58.34 | merlin1991 | kerio: I bet jonwil has a 2.1 system with a 20kg subwoofer :D |
| 12:58.41 | kerio | haha |
| 12:58.51 | jonwil | my broken set is a Logitec LS21 |
| 12:58.53 | kerio | challenge: attach that to the n900 |
| 13:01.53 | jonwil | I wont be buying another LS21, didn't particularly like them |
| 13:11.16 | kerio | what are some good games for the n900? |
| 13:11.30 | kerio | so far i have aisleriot |
| 13:11.53 | kerio | klondike is especially good in fullscreen |
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| 13:19.48 | vi__ | kerio: pokerth |
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| 13:20.32 | kerio | texas holdem sucks, lrn2five-card draw |
| 13:20.47 | vi__ | kerio: On the contrary. You suck. |
| 13:20.53 | kerio | k |
| 13:20.55 | kerio | :c |
| 13:20.58 | kerio | anyway, apart from card games? |
| 13:21.10 | vi__ | kerio: NETHACK |
| 13:21.17 | kerio | meh, good point |
| 13:21.27 | kerio | except that vanilla nethack is horrible and unnethack is still at version 3.5.3 |
| 13:21.31 | kerio | (version 4 was released a bit ago) |
| 13:21.53 | kerio | (by vanilla nethack i mean the one from nethack.org as opposed to something like naohack) |
| 13:22.03 | kerio | (which is still vanilla but the interface isn't absolute crap) |
| 13:22.11 | vi__ | I wish, for the love of god the punk would port doomrl to arm. |
| 13:22.20 | vi__ | I am fed up of his closed source horse shit. |
| 13:22.22 | kerio | qemu it :D |
| 13:23.16 | kerio | someone should crosscompile acehack for the n900 for me |
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| 13:23.44 | vi__ | I tried to port penguin command and viruskiller. |
| 13:23.49 | vi__ | That was an utter fail. |
| 13:24.20 | vi__ | They both have hardcoded screen sizes...that are too big for the n900. |
| 13:24.44 | kerio | vi__: the best you can do with osso-xterm is 79x25 :s |
| 13:25.36 | kerio | also, osso-xterm considers brown as yellow :/ |
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| 13:27.57 | kerio | vi__: hm, acehack is surprisingly playable in 79x25 |
| 13:28.06 | kerio | except that the last column of the status bar is cut :( |
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| 13:29.11 | vi__ | kerio: install mrxvt, xterm etc. |
| 13:29.43 | kerio | vi__: that sounds like too much effort though |
| 13:30.15 | kerio | :3 |
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| 13:44.04 | kerio | vi__: what's your NAO handle? |
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| 13:51.07 | vi__ | I literally have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 13:54.44 | kerio | your nickname on NAO |
| 13:54.50 | kerio | or another public server |
| 13:54.53 | kerio | (re:nethack) |
| 13:56.53 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've not looked into why yet, but for some reason our ifdefs aren't working anymore; moc_mozqwidget.cpp:74: undefined reference to `MozQWidget::orientationChanged()' |
| 13:57.10 | kerio | vi__: if you never ascended on a nethack public server then you never ascended |
| 13:58.15 | vi__ | I have never ascended. I refuse to read the spoilers file and always die of quaffing from fountains at about level 6. |
| 13:58.35 | kerio | well, maybe you should refrain from quaffing from fountains :) |
| 13:58.48 | kerio | you'll never get anything good from them |
| 13:58.57 | kerio | or, at least, the expected value of a fountain quaff is really, really bad |
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| 14:01.34 | vi__ | Or this one time I used a stone to flesh spell on a boulder and kept eating it till I died. |
| 14:01.55 | kerio | doing that is also bad, yes |
| 14:02.16 | vi__ | This one game I polymorphed my pet into a black dragon. |
| 14:02.20 | vi__ | By accident. |
| 14:02.37 | kerio | so? they don't breathe when tame |
| 14:02.42 | vi__ | we just went around ransacking and looting everyshop. |
| 14:02.49 | vi__ | It was ace. |
| 14:03.02 | kerio | oh, yeah, the extended AI patch |
| 14:03.06 | vi__ | Then I drank a potion or somthing retarded. |
| 14:03.10 | vi__ | and died. |
| 14:03.13 | kerio | haha |
| 14:03.46 | vi__ | This one time I had a valkarie and gloves and I killed a cockatrice. |
| 14:03.59 | kerio | and you went around while wielding the corpse? |
| 14:04.00 | kerio | yeah, bad idea |
| 14:04.01 | vi__ | I was wielding that shit like a weapon, it was sweet. |
| 14:04.03 | kerio | levitate or stay put |
| 14:04.17 | vi__ | Then I put on some cursed -4 boots. |
| 14:04.29 | vi__ | I tripped, fell over onto said cockatrice. |
| 14:04.31 | kerio | ohoho, fumbling |
| 14:04.32 | vi__ | and died. |
| 14:04.32 | kerio | neat |
| 14:04.48 | kerio | that's one of the 47 ways you can die from a footrice |
| 14:06.41 | freemangordon | zeq1: i've build qt with gcc 4.7, going to upload it |
| 14:06.54 | zeq | ok |
| 14:07.15 | kerio | freemangordon: thumby? |
| 14:07.30 | zeq | I'm off to walk the dog now, bbl |
| 14:08.02 | kerio | hm, about: is broken in microb |
| 14:08.27 | vi__ | kerio: No it isn't |
| 14:08.38 | kerio | xml error, here |
| 14:09.29 | freemangordon | kerio: yes |
| 14:09.34 | kerio | freemangordon: ^_^ |
| 14:10.02 | freemangordon | zeq: qtwebkit.so is 650k larger than one build with 4.6.2 :( |
| 14:11.03 | zeq1 | freemangordon: which flags did you use in the end? |
| 14:11.35 | freemangordon | won't upload it that way, will play a little with compiler switches |
| 14:11.40 | freemangordon | zeq1: yours |
| 14:11.48 | zeq1 | freemangordon: change the Ofast to Os |
| 14:11.56 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 14:12.21 | freemangordon | is that for Size or Speed? |
| 14:12.25 | freemangordon | Os |
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| 14:12.43 | kerio | size, i think |
| 14:12.49 | zeq1 | Os is size |
| 14:12.58 | zeq1 | Ofast is maximum speed |
| 14:13.04 | kerio | vi__: "about:" gives me an xml error |
| 14:13.04 | zeq1 | moreso than O3 |
| 14:13.10 | freemangordon | O2 fails with internal compiler error |
| 14:13.21 | zeq1 | Ofast doesn't try to keep the size down |
| 14:13.25 | zeq1 | at all |
| 14:13.41 | zeq1 | I meant to change that, I was just testing :P |
| 14:13.58 | zeq1 | :( |
| 14:14.02 | freemangordon | yeah. but O2 fails |
| 14:14.04 | zeq1 | re. ice |
| 14:14.54 | freemangordon | but Os comes with the reduced speed AFAIK |
| 14:15.25 | freemangordon | s/with the/with/ |
| 14:15.27 | zeq1 | yes O2 is best compromise |
| 14:16.03 | freemangordon | and it fails ;) |
| 14:16.16 | zeq1 | does Os work? |
| 14:16.44 | zeq1 | you changed both LFLAGS and CXXFLAGS? |
| 14:17.56 | freemangordon | yes, both. what if I keep -Ofast in compiler, but set -O2 for linker? |
| 14:19.33 | freemangordon | zeq1: what if I change -flto=4 to something like -flto=3 or whaterver? |
| 14:20.17 | zeq1 | I think it's undefined if you mix |
| 14:20.42 | zeq1 | lto=n where n breaks it up into smaller units |
| 14:21.00 | zeq1 | so it can be parallelized like make -j |
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| 14:21.21 | zeq1 | otherwise the linking is a serial bottleneck |
| 14:21.27 | kerio | freemangordon: isn't Os the whole point of thumb binaries? |
| 14:21.37 | freemangordon | no |
| 14:21.48 | kerio | it's a system that swaps heavily, having to grab less stuff from the swap means that it'll still be a lot faster |
| 14:21.56 | kerio | you can only be sure of what's better by testing it |
| 14:21.57 | freemangordon | again, no |
| 14:22.03 | kerio | except that you'd have to benchmark the whole system .s |
| 14:22.04 | kerio | :s |
| 14:22.10 | zeq1 | kerio: that's generally true but some parts you want to run fast |
| 14:23.10 | freemangordon | zeq1: i will try with -O2 without LTO |
| 14:23.11 | zeq1 | freemangordon: is it the known 4.7 ICE? |
| 14:23.16 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 14:23.31 | zeq1 | I can't remember the bug number off-hand |
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| 14:25.36 | zeq1 | freemangordon: you could use Ofast and specifiy an unroll limit |
| 14:25.43 | zeq1 | I mean inline limmit |
| 14:25.47 | zeq1 | limit* |
| 14:26.01 | freemangordon | sure, but that comes near to black magic :) |
| 14:26.29 | zeq1 | you could reduce unrolling too probably |
| 14:27.05 | freemangordon | anyway, i am on my way home, will check what has happened when i am there, bbl |
| 14:27.07 | zeq1 | -fno-unroll-all-loops or something, I can't remember exactly which flags get set at Ofast |
| 14:27.28 | kerio | -funroll-all-loops is definetely not considered a "fast" optimization |
| 14:27.36 | kerio | most of the times it slows things down |
| 14:28.06 | zeq1 | that's why I said no- :) |
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| 14:33.23 | vi__ | zeq1: Dont you have a dog to walk? |
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| 14:36.08 | zeq1 | vi__: quite right, see you all later :) |
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| 15:04.21 | zeq | kerio: you're right I think, O3/fast doesn't enable unrolling. |
| 15:04.55 | kerio | hrmpf, why is there no nc on the n900 |
| 15:05.02 | kerio | this is bs, it's supposed to be unixy |
| 15:05.33 | kerio | i can install socat but it's not the same thing! |
| 15:07.04 | kerio | ugh, it's in the sdk repos |
| 15:08.52 | kerio | will Bad Stuff happen if i enable it on the n900? |
| 15:08.55 | kerio | not the sdk or the nokia-binaries one, mind you |
| 15:09.24 | freemangordon | no problem to enable SDK and tools repos on the device |
| 15:09.32 | kerio | the sdk one too? neat |
| 15:09.46 | kerio | i thought that it wasn't a good idea to do so |
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| 15:16.56 | kerio | hrmpf, why is copying a file through wifi cpu-bound |
| 15:17.29 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1242804&postcount=44 |
| 15:17.48 | zeq1 | kerio: csum? |
| 15:17.58 | kerio | zeq1: csum for what? |
| 15:18.03 | kerio | WEP? |
| 15:18.04 | kerio | :s |
| 15:18.36 | freemangordon | zeq1: still unable to build Qt |
| 15:18.55 | zeq1 | freemangordon: does O3 work? |
| 15:19.18 | freemangordon | didn't try it, will do it now |
| 15:19.22 | kerio | oh god, 103mb of used swap |
| 15:20.23 | zeq1 | kerio: that's not necessarily bad, unless it's things you need to swap in! :) |
| 15:20.55 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've been reading the gcc info |
| 15:21.07 | zeq1 | freemangordon: there's lots of nice new optimization options |
| 15:21.16 | zeq1 | especially from graphite |
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| 15:21.36 | freemangordon | sure, but how to find which one breaks compilation |
| 15:21.42 | kerio | ok, we need the big guns for this |
| 15:21.49 | kerio | can i export a file through mass storage mode? |
| 15:21.52 | kerio | :D |
| 15:22.06 | zeq1 | something between O2 and Ofast :) |
| 15:22.23 | freemangordon | zeq1: yeah |
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| 15:23.09 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I'll try here as well, so we can cover more flags, but first I need to clean the bathroom! :P |
| 15:24.22 | kerio | are the SDK repos enableable on the n900 then? |
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| 15:25.18 | zeq1 | freemangordon: info gcc does tell you which flags are enabled at each level |
| 15:25.40 | zeq1 | so it should be too hard to find the one which works around the error |
| 15:26.00 | freemangordon | hmm, seems it compiles with O3 |
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| 15:26.41 | StyXman_ | 17:16 < kerio> hrmpf, why is copying a file through wifi cpu-bound |
| 15:26.45 | StyXman_ | kerio: scp? |
| 15:26.51 | StyXman_ | if so, encryption |
| 15:27.12 | kerio | StyXman_: i was using nc |
| 15:27.15 | zeq1 | `-O3' turns on all optimizations specified by `-O2' and also turns on the `-finline-functions', `-funswitch-loops', `-fpredictive-commoning', `-fgcse-after-reload', `-ftree-vectorize' and `-fipa-cp-clone' options. |
| 15:27.21 | zeq1 | so it's one of those |
| 15:27.29 | kerio | 1.7MB/s of raw transfer through wep shouldn't grind the system to a halt :( |
| 15:27.50 | zeq1 | -ftree-vectorize is new there |
| 15:28.03 | freemangordon | zeq1: yeah |
| 15:28.05 | kerio | isn't it clang's -O4, pretty much? |
| 15:28.35 | zeq1 | kerio: it the big auto-vectorize switch |
| 15:28.37 | vi__ | Pali: wooah! |
| 15:29.08 | kerio | scoffs at these peasants using physical cords to play music |
| 15:29.10 | Pali | jonwil, see post on tmo |
| 15:30.11 | freemangordon | zeq1: i'm concerned about -ffast-math |
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| 15:31.30 | jonwil | ok, thats good news |
| 15:31.46 | jonwil | sounds like the best way forward might be to hack the policy.,plc file somehow |
| 15:31.52 | vi__ | Kli delivers! |
| 15:32.04 | vi__ | scoffs at kerios battery life. |
| 15:32.44 | kerio | vi__: phone in my pocket, headphones around my neck, no cord between the two |
| 15:32.47 | kerio | you can't explain that! |
| 15:33.35 | vi__ | kerio: Oh shi...my headset ran out of batteries! WTF am I to do?? |
| 15:34.16 | kerio | vi__: look around the tram nervously because you're bored, then get home and charge them |
| 15:34.22 | kerio | with lots of sadness :c |
| 15:34.31 | vi__ | If only the N900 supported the media buttons on the headset. That would be sweet. |
| 15:34.47 | vi__ | Unfortunatley all we have is this stupid jack bias PTT button. |
| 15:35.06 | kerio | it's the engineers' fault |
| 15:35.14 | kerio | for not producing infinite batteries |
| 15:35.19 | Pali | jonwil, I will wait for answer if assert & retract is good idea |
| 15:36.27 | Pali | jonwil, maybe you can link decompiled prolog code & predicates to that thread |
| 15:36.33 | Pali | to have all in one place |
| 15:37.43 | jonwil | ok, posted |
| 15:39.40 | vi__ | Pali: was kli an N900 engineer? |
| 15:39.45 | jonwil | yes he was |
| 15:39.49 | jonwil | he did the ohm stuff |
| 15:39.53 | jonwil | is listed as maintainer for it |
| 15:40.33 | kerio | waaaaaah why doesn't HAM respect my apt holds |
| 15:40.36 | kerio | fucking asshole |
| 15:41.03 | Pali | when I have time, I will copy decompiled code in policy-settings-basic to reconstruct policy-settings-rx51 |
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| 15:41.19 | Pali | one part is missing: dres decompiler |
| 15:42.09 | jonwil | well he gave us all the pointers to how to decompile a dresc file |
| 15:42.28 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 15:43.29 | Pali | jonwil, write decompiler is real challenge :) |
| 15:43.41 | vi__ | freemangordon: so what are these big changes coming to cssu-thumb repo? |
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| 15:43.52 | freemangordon | vi__: gcc 4.7 |
| 15:43.59 | vi__ | yippee! |
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| 15:44.14 | vi__ | actually I do not really know how that benefits. |
| 15:44.21 | jonwil | faster better code :) |
| 15:44.25 | freemangordon | auto vectoriser |
| 15:44.27 | vi__ | w00t |
| 15:44.49 | freemangordon | yeah, simd support without intrinstics |
| 15:45.06 | vi__ | I have an idea. |
| 15:45.32 | vi__ | If I stop modest from autostarting with dsme(?) will it die gracefully when I quit it? |
| 15:45.54 | jonwil | so yeah I think with what we have now it should be possible to come up with something functionally equivalent to the n900 policy.plc file |
| 15:45.55 | vi__ | brb, off to braek my n900 again. |
| 15:47.23 | zeq1 | freemangordon: back |
| 15:47.48 | kerio | freemangordon: help! |
| 15:47.55 | freemangordon | Qt still compiles, i want to check binaries size with -O3 |
| 15:48.01 | kerio | the sdk repos are making me update libgcc1 |
| 15:48.10 | kerio | no, wait |
| 15:48.12 | freemangordon | kerio: no way |
| 15:48.18 | freemangordon | it is extras-devel |
| 15:48.26 | freemangordon | or cssu-thumb |
| 15:48.45 | kerio | community-thumb is at 4.6.2 |
| 15:48.53 | kerio | this one is at 4.7.2 |
| 15:48.54 | kerio | maybe -devel |
| 15:48.55 | kerio | hmm |
| 15:48.56 | zeq1 | re. fast-math, it does have its detractors because it simply doesn't work for code which depends upon strict ieee conformance. |
| 15:49.20 | freemangordon | kerio: that is cssu-thumb, disable the repo ror now |
| 15:49.22 | zeq1 | when it does work though, it's a big win, especially with neon |
| 15:49.38 | kerio | i currently have the -thumb one installed |
| 15:49.42 | freemangordon | zeq1: it is too risky, i think we should disable that |
| 15:50.09 | zeq1 | most of the problematic programs check for it |
| 15:50.20 | freemangordon | hmm, sure? |
| 15:50.24 | freemangordon | well, ok |
| 15:50.26 | zeq1 | sqlite for example |
| 15:51.06 | zeq1 | does qt have conformance tests |
| 15:51.07 | zeq1 | ? |
| 15:51.30 | freemangordon | but it was me to find why CSSU Qt 4.7.2 raster engine is broken. It was because of -O3 and it was not fun |
| 15:51.47 | freemangordon | zeq1: NFC |
| 15:51.48 | zeq1 | we should try the tests |
| 15:52.05 | zeq1 | make check |
| 15:52.23 | freemangordon | can you try that? |
| 15:52.49 | kerio | ugh, i typoed the token code for the nokia-binaries repo |
| 15:52.50 | kerio | :s |
| 15:52.54 | zeq1 | I'll need to build with O3 unless you discovered the flag? |
| 15:53.18 | freemangordon | zeq1: why, you have it now with -Ofast |
| 15:53.27 | freemangordon | which is -O3 aiui |
| 15:53.50 | zeq1 | ok trying Ofast |
| 15:54.06 | freemangordon | btw i think tests are disabled |
| 15:54.17 | zeq1 | we should probably get into the habit of trying make check |
| 15:54.40 | freemangordon | zeq1: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777094 |
| 15:54.42 | povbot_ | 04Bug 777094: was not found. |
| 15:56.10 | zeq1 | yeah, I fixed it differently |
| 15:56.26 | freemangordon | yeah, but that is upstream :P |
| 15:56.47 | zeq1 | I'll back out my fix |
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| 16:03.07 | kerio | freemangordon: no seriously, where does this libgcc1 come from D: |
| 16:03.18 | freemangordon | cssu-thumb |
| 16:03.46 | kerio | no, i installed that |
| 16:03.58 | kerio | those are the 4.6.2 packages |
| 16:04.09 | freemangordon | well, ok |
| 16:04.14 | freemangordon | sighs |
| 16:04.41 | freemangordon | use apt-cache show libgcc1 |
| 16:04.53 | vi__ | passes FMG the bong. |
| 16:04.55 | kerio | hold on, HAM is still apt-working |
| 16:05.08 | kerio | fucking sonuvabitch |
| 16:05.11 | kerio | :s |
| 16:05.38 | kerio | hm, weird |
| 16:05.45 | kerio | i did policy |
| 16:05.59 | kerio | 1:4.7.2-0+cssu0 on community-cssu |
| 16:06.06 | kerio | unless i enabled cssu-d |
| 16:06.08 | kerio | er |
| 16:06.11 | kerio | community-thumb |
| 16:06.18 | kerio | unless i enabled community-devel by mistake? |
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| 16:06.54 | kerio | no, there's no libgcc1 there |
| 16:07.03 | kerio | freemangordon: seriously though, why is there no matching package in http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/libg/libgcc1/ ? |
| 16:07.03 | kerio | :S |
| 16:07.36 | vi__ | Is there a stream of conscience coming out of your mouth IRL? |
| 16:07.38 | zeq1 | qt still building |
| 16:07.55 | vi__ | cat /proc/swaps |
| 16:08.02 | vi__ | ... |
| 16:08.06 | vi__ | wrong xterm |
| 16:08.07 | freemangordon | kerio: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/g/gcc-4.7/libgcc1_4.7.2-0%2bcssu0_armel.deb |
| 16:08.19 | kerio | oic |
| 16:08.22 | kerio | upgrade or not? |
| 16:08.41 | freemangordon | should not harm according to zeq1 |
| 16:08.52 | kerio | zeq1: i trust you! |
| 16:09.07 | kerio | same for libstdc++6? |
| 16:09.51 | kerio | also, what's up with hildon-initscripts? the sdk repo has the same version but with a different revision |
| 16:10.42 | zeq1 | I think if libgcc and libstdc++ didn't work one of the distros would have noticed by now :) |
| 16:11.14 | freemangordon | zeq1: trying -O2 and no -ffast-math |
| 16:11.44 | kerio | can someone with the sdk repos enabled on his n900 tell me if "upgrading" hildon-initscripts breaks stuff? |
| 16:12.01 | freemangordon | i have them, no problem |
| 16:12.15 | freemangordon | kerio: you have BM? |
| 16:12.26 | kerio | freemangordon: yeah but my last backup is like a day old |
| 16:12.32 | kerio | a day in which i did many things D: |
| 16:12.41 | freemangordon | so, what you risk exactly? |
| 16:12.42 | kerio | like installing most of cssu-thumb |
| 16:12.50 | freemangordon | the repo is still there |
| 16:12.52 | kerio | ...eeeeeh |
| 16:12.53 | kerio | good point |
| 16:13.02 | freemangordon | do anothe backup and play in your will ;) |
| 16:13.11 | freemangordon | *on |
| 16:13.23 | kerio | i just wonder why it's a different revision |
| 16:13.30 | kerio | -dp1 instead of -0m5 |
| 16:13.43 | freemangordon | zeq1: tests are disabled in our Qt build |
| 16:14.00 | zeq1 | I'm going to run make check manually after it finishes |
| 16:14.19 | zeq1 | or is that disabled somehow? |
| 16:14.32 | kerio | ugh, "Small changes for the SDK" |
| 16:14.35 | kerio | WHICH ONES |
| 16:14.42 | freemangordon | zeq1: NFC |
| 16:15.40 | zeq1 | we'll soon find out |
| 16:15.57 | freemangordon | zeq1: but honestly, I wouldn't risk breaking stellariumobile and stuff like it for unknown performance increase |
| 16:16.38 | freemangordon | ftree-vectorise should give us enough performance gain |
| 16:17.20 | zeq1 | I've read it isn't really effective on Cortex-a8 without fast-math :/ |
| 16:17.46 | zeq1 | if it passes the tests it should be fine |
| 16:17.50 | freemangordon | I know that, but better a little bit slower and working code |
| 16:17.57 | freemangordon | zeq1: ok |
| 16:18.17 | zeq1 | it's what the tests are for afterall :) |
| 16:20.02 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 16:27.44 | zeq1 | freemangordon: fennec rebased |
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| 16:32.50 | kerio | ok, can someone explain to me what apt-worker has to do for 9 minutes and 40 seconds after i close ham? |
| 16:32.56 | kerio | 9:40 and counting, i mean |
| 16:33.11 | kerio | I JUST CLOSED IT I DON'T WANT IT TO KEEP DOING THINGS |
| 16:34.07 | zeq1 | kerio: it's a very good question, I've often wondered |
| 16:34.13 | kerio | 10 minutes 55 seconds |
| 16:34.41 | kerio | 11 minutes 21 seconds |
| 16:35.07 | kerio | i mean, i do have a lot of repos, but come on |
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| 16:37.50 | zeq1 | kerio: still going? |
| 16:37.55 | kerio | done now |
| 16:38.00 | zeq1 | :) |
| 16:38.09 | kerio | 12 minutes, AFTER closing every window |
| 16:38.13 | zeq1 | I wonder what it did :) |
| 16:38.16 | kerio | a normal user would have no idea it's doing stuff |
| 16:38.25 | kerio | except for the fact that everything runs slooooooooooow |
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| 16:46.43 | freemangordon | zeq1: is there any chance gcc to have some patches in the meanwile? |
| 16:47.02 | kerio | so... right now i have mr0, ssu, extras-devel, community-testing, community-thumb, sdk, sdk tools, sdk nokia-binaries enabled |
| 16:47.02 | kerio | :3 |
| 16:47.04 | freemangordon | no matter what i do i am unable to compile qt with -O2 |
| 16:47.25 | kerio | there's still no excuse for HAM to take 12 minutes to *close* |
| 16:49.34 | freemangordon | zeq1: hmm, it actually builds now, WTF? |
| 16:49.48 | freemangordon | with -O3 -fno-inline-functions -fno-unswitch-loops -fno-predictive-commoning -fno-gcse-after-reload -fno-ipa-cp-clone |
| 16:50.23 | freemangordon | seems there is another options -O3 is enabling |
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| 17:26.47 | zeq1 | freemangordon: the info gcc I used in the one on my laptop, which is for 4.7.1 |
| 17:27.12 | freemangordon | yeah, that is the latest available documentation |
| 17:27.13 | zeq1 | I looked at that since we don't have info pages installed |
| 17:27.25 | freemangordon | on gcc site too |
| 17:27.28 | zeq1 | ok |
| 17:27.59 | freemangordon | well, i backported the XSync patch and trying to make the final build :) |
| 17:28.14 | zeq1 | perhaps we should take a look in the source? although, how is the bin size with the above options? |
| 17:28.52 | freemangordon | i hope it will give us that "Measured frame rate improvement of 20 - 60 % in an update stress testing the performance of partial updates." |
| 17:29.11 | freemangordon | zeq1: still not built |
| 17:29.15 | zeq1 | ok |
| 17:29.35 | zeq1 | make check gave no errors btw |
| 17:29.54 | freemangordon | well, i am compiling with -ffast-math anyway :D:D:D |
| 17:30.04 | freemangordon | what tests did it execute? |
| 17:30.11 | zeq1 | the full testsuite requires x11 |
| 17:30.42 | freemangordon | aah. but you can run xephyr |
| 17:31.29 | zeq1 | not sure! I'm building the full testsuite now :) |
| 17:31.51 | freemangordon | yes, you can run xephyr in host OS |
| 17:31.55 | freemangordon | as :1 |
| 17:31.59 | zeq1 | ok |
| 17:32.17 | zeq1 | or I suppose I could use a remote X server |
| 17:32.32 | freemangordon | but,but it is just that |
| 17:32.51 | freemangordon | xephyr is lightweight X server :D |
| 17:33.12 | freemangordon | you can run in window |
| 17:33.14 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 17:33.15 | zeq1 | I mean the X server on my laptop :) |
| 17:33.23 | freemangordon | hmm, yeah |
| 17:33.27 | freemangordon | you could |
| 17:35.11 | zeq1 | there are benchmarks too |
| 17:35.20 | freemangordon | :) |
| 17:35.53 | zeq1 | tests/benchmarks |
| 17:36.05 | zeq1 | you can just run qmake; make |
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| 17:43.06 | zeq1 | I don't think they keep the testsuite quite up-to-date |
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| 17:55.31 | zeq1 | freemangordon: it doesn't *need* X |
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| 17:56.04 | zeq1 | obviously some of the tests do! |
| 17:56.04 | freemangordon | zeq1: ? |
| 17:56.10 | freemangordon | aah, yeah |
| 17:56.13 | zeq1 | but it's running now without it |
| 17:56.45 | freemangordon | do you run it in SB? |
| 17:57.03 | zeq1 | I am running it in SB, some tests are quite slow to complete though |
| 17:57.14 | freemangordon | run it on the device ;) |
| 17:57.14 | zeq1 | is SB faster than the real thing? |
| 17:57.35 | freemangordon | does not matter, you don;t have VFP/NEON |
| 17:57.43 | freemangordon | I mean the real thing |
| 17:57.53 | freemangordon | SB is waaay slower |
| 17:58.03 | zeq1 | yeah |
| 17:58.11 | freemangordon | qemu that is |
| 17:58.35 | freemangordon | hmm, packaging ;) |
| 17:58.36 | zeq1 | I'll copy it over once I put it on charge, my battery just died! |
| 17:59.34 | zeq1 | we could package the testsuite too..? |
| 17:59.46 | zeq1 | bad time to suggest it though! ;) |
| 17:59.51 | freemangordon | yeah |
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| 18:00.17 | freemangordon | I don't see a reason why we can't, but yes, not now :) |
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| 18:05.04 | freemangordon | ok, Qt built, lets see if it works :D |
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| 18:13.02 | zeq1 | I need to install make |
| 18:13.53 | zeq1 | and qmake... but it doesn't exist! :( |
| 18:14.02 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 18:14.13 | freemangordon | btw Qt works on the device, and is smaller |
| 18:14.14 | zeq1 | what a pain |
| 18:14.20 | zeq1 | ah good! |
| 18:14.32 | zeq1 | I'd still like to get the testsuite running though |
| 18:14.33 | freemangordon | that's my devel device, going to put it on primary |
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| 18:14.42 | freemangordon | zeq1: but of course |
| 18:14.48 | zeq1 | I guess we should be able to build a qmake bin from the qt sources...? |
| 18:14.50 | freemangordon | btw there is a -test package |
| 18:15.07 | zeq1 | I *think* that's something else |
| 18:15.28 | zeq1 | the QtTest lib |
| 18:15.32 | zeq1 | whatever that's for |
| 18:15.42 | zeq1 | not the same thing as the testsuite |
| 18:15.42 | freemangordon | yeah |
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| 18:19.36 | zeq1 | running qmake; make in the qmake directory seems to work |
| 18:20.41 | freemangordon | ok, going to put Qt in the repo |
| 18:20.46 | zeq1 | you probably noticed the build produces an x86 qmake normally |
| 18:22.41 | zeq1 | is going to eat now |
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| 18:46.17 | freemangordon | zeq1: stelaruimobile, qmltube and sociality work with updated Qt |
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| 19:08.53 | zeq1 | freemangordon: good news! |
| 19:09.22 | freemangordon | yeah, PhoneME works too, as is fennec, I am out of ideas what to try next |
| 19:11.49 | zeq1 | are any of the geolocation apps qt based? |
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| 19:14.10 | freemangordon | zeq1: can't remember |
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| 19:20.20 | kerio | my status menu has 11 items |
| 19:20.28 | kerio | it fills the screen nicely in portrait |
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| 19:53.36 | freemangordon | zeq1: still unable to build fennec, those stupt GLdouble errors :( |
| 19:54.08 | zeq1 | freemangordon: shall I fix them again? |
| 19:54.20 | freemangordon | can you ? |
| 19:54.20 | zeq1 | I'll try rebasing again first |
| 19:54.23 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:54.28 | zeq1 | I can fix them |
| 19:55.35 | freemangordon | i/m afk for a while |
| 19:55.42 | zeq1 | I've not been able to get a sufficiently working qmake to run the testsuite on my N900 |
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| 20:05.47 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I've not tested it, but I think I've fixed it correctly. |
| 20:06.08 | zeq1 | the rebase didn't help |
| 20:06.58 | zeq1 | I'm building fennec now |
| 20:07.03 | zeq1 | it's already pushed |
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| 20:12.01 | kerio | for fuck's sake, why is binutils in -devel still not fixed |
| 20:14.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: fixed? what? |
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| 20:15.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: the Provides: line for some version of binutils doesn't follow the specs |
| 20:15.34 | kerio | you can't Provide a particular version, which is what the maintainer wants to do, apparently |
| 20:16.09 | kerio | or was it that you can't Provide a range of versions? either way, it's not something that apt likes |
| 20:16.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm |
| 20:16.17 | kerio | you get a warning if you do apt-get update |
| 20:17.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | no warning |
| 20:18.54 | kerio | maybe it's because you installed it? idk |
| 20:20.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe it's because I usually don't have extras-dsevel enabled? |
| 20:21.12 | kerio | maybe |
| 20:21.14 | kerio | :c |
| 20:21.28 | kerio | but that's just because you're a masochist who uses HAM :P |
| 20:21.40 | kerio | apt-get has no problems with tons of huge repos |
| 20:23.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm actually using apt-get most of the time. That's because I _know_ when I better use HAM |
| 20:24.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I'm not as silly as doing an apt-get upgrade ;-P |
| 20:25.02 | kerio | do you mean dist-upgrade? |
| 20:25.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | I prefer to check each single pkg upgrade |
| 20:25.13 | kerio | oh, you're actually crazy, i see |
| 20:25.18 | kerio | it's ok i still love you <3 |
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| 20:25.54 | kerio | it's not like i'd see more than one group of packages upgraded at the same time, considering how often i play with this |
| 20:25.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | for the rest there's HAM :-P |
| 20:26.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | which actually doesn't annoy me a bit for upgrades |
| 20:26.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | as it's just fire and forget |
| 20:27.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: well, HAM took 12 minutes to properly close for me, today |
| 20:27.29 | kerio | i might have a bit too many repos though |
| 20:27.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | eventually I close HAM, and I don't give a sh* if it takes 30 min |
| 20:28.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | though never takes more than 5 for me |
| 20:28.30 | kerio | i have mr0, ssu, extras-devel, community-testing, community-thumb, sdk, sdk tools, sdk nokia-binaries |
| 20:28.47 | kerio | it's a miracle it ended, to be fair |
| 20:29.01 | kerio | i just wonder... *what* does it do, after every window is closed? |
| 20:29.09 | kerio | can't it just, you know, stop? |
| 20:29.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | update db? |
| 20:29.30 | kerio | what for? |
| 20:30.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr, maybe to write back any changes done? nfc |
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| 20:31.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | strace will tell you ;-) |
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| 20:40.22 | kerio | is there a way to enable both mass storage *and* usb networking? |
| 20:40.30 | kerio | or would that require a much more complicated gadget module? |
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| 20:41.52 | kerio | hrmpf, why is usb mass storage so fast? |
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| 20:53.10 | EdLin | hi |
| 20:53.48 | EdLin | I just purchased an n900 on eBay, wanted to get the "computer in your pocket" feeling I got from my n810 that I was missing for all this time. :) |
| 20:55.20 | EdLin | hmm, this channel seems dead now, it seemed more alive at 3am in the morning. ;-) |
| 20:55.43 | EdLin | brb |
| 20:55.53 | RST38h | sacrifices a hamster to the Tentacled One |
| 21:03.49 | EdLin | RST38h, hi |
| 21:03.49 | kerio | EdLin: neat! |
| 21:04.05 | kerio | EdLin: file down the plugs on the usb cable and the wallcharger *right now* |
| 21:04.18 | kerio | then flash both COMBINED and VANILLA as explained in the wiki |
| 21:04.20 | kerio | ~flashing |
| 21:04.21 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:04.21 | EdLin | kerio, I think it's going to be neat, there are some complaints about the seller on talk. |
| 21:04.29 | kerio | or there |
| 21:04.38 | kerio | oh, you paid for it but you still don't have it |
| 21:04.39 | kerio | i see |
| 21:04.41 | kerio | :s |
| 21:04.41 | EdLin | I should have checked before I pulled the trigger. |
| 21:04.46 | kerio | how much did you pay? |
| 21:05.02 | EdLin | $162.50, plus I ordered $9.99 expidited shipping. |
| 21:05.25 | EdLin | not bad, even if it really is refurbished without a stylus included as reported. |
| 21:05.37 | kerio | eeh, 133€ |
| 21:05.41 | kerio | i paid about 150€ for mine |
| 21:05.45 | kerio | but it was almost in mint condition |
| 21:06.01 | kerio | barely used, everything cleaned up, only a minor scratch on the screen |
| 21:06.03 | kerio | everything working |
| 21:06.07 | EdLin | $150 was used, I thought this was new... |
| 21:06.17 | EdLin | but apparently its refurb |
| 21:06.25 | kerio | there's no such thing as a new n900 |
| 21:06.28 | kerio | not anymore |
| 21:06.39 | EdLin | so I gather. |
| 21:06.59 | kerio | shakes his fist at Elop |
| 21:07.02 | kerio | damn youuuuuuu |
| 21:07.44 | EdLin | Nokia was really taken over by Microsoft, only reason why they didn't finish the job instead of just give them a brain transplant with key executives is because of Finland's foreign ownership laws. |
| 21:08.46 | EdLin | and like Microsoft does to everyone they borg, they're screwing them over. |
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| 21:10.27 | EdLin | any of you know a good source for N900 stylusii? Since mine is bound not to come with one apparently. |
| 21:14.23 | EdLin | hmm, google shopping is turning up big capacitive stylii. Wrong! |
| 21:14.56 | kerio | EdLin: find a tree |
| 21:15.02 | kerio | snap a twig |
| 21:15.04 | kerio | use the twig |
| 21:16.11 | EdLin | kerio, thanks. But there are no trees in Brooklyn. ;-) |
| 21:16.17 | kerio | madness |
| 21:16.29 | EdLin | actually, there are, just not enough except in big parks. |
| 21:16.42 | EdLin | or neighborhoods more classy than mine |
| 21:17.43 | EdLin | looking on Amazon, I found a poorly reviewed chinese 5800 stylus knock-off that didn't fit the hole in even the device was advertised for, and a gaggle of capacitive styluses. |
| 21:17.44 | DocScrutinizer06 | ok, now I shot my ears with superlux HD668B :-S - maybe now it's time to drive them in for a week, allegedly the treble and hiss goes away a bit by doing so |
| 21:18.10 | EdLin | I'm going to be pissed if I have to buy it from the same folks that sold it to me without it. |
| 21:18.29 | EdLin | assuming talk.mameo.org is right about cellphonesforever. |
| 21:19.51 | EdLin | maemo I mean |
| 21:20.20 | EdLin | how do you pronounce Maemo, btw? :) |
| 21:20.40 | EdLin | I've had an n810 for years, always wanted to know. ;-) |
| 21:20.55 | EdLin | is talking to himself |
| 21:21.05 | kerio | one does not pronounce Maemo |
| 21:21.19 | EdLin | kerio, I see, its the ineffable name. Gotcha. |
| 21:23.25 | kerio | it was a word made up by a password generator :D |
| 21:25.52 | vi_ | may-mo |
| 21:26.12 | vi_ | EdLin: You bought your n900 through ebay? |
| 21:26.17 | EdLin | vi_, that's the way I've always been pronoucing it |
| 21:26.20 | EdLin | vi_, yes |
| 21:26.23 | vi_ | good. |
| 21:26.47 | vi_ | as the buyer you hold all the cards. |
| 21:26.58 | EdLin | they also rated me good already. :) |
| 21:27.10 | vi_ | ebay is rigged to totally fuck over the seller if anything goes wrong. |
| 21:27.43 | vi_ | 1. Your device is NOT refurbished. It is second hand. |
| 21:28.09 | EdLin | it was listed as new. :( |
| 21:28.15 | vi_ | 2. As soon as you receive it check it over. COMPLETELY. |
| 21:28.24 | vi_ | EdLin: ebay sellers are scum. |
| 21:28.40 | EdLin | especially ones in HK, I should have known. |
| 21:28.58 | vi_ | start a thread on TMO asking about what you need to check out. |
| 21:29.25 | EdLin | vi_, can't you tell me that here? Already started one thread there about buying it. |
| 21:29.28 | vi_ | I cannot be bothered listng, I am typing on my n900 and it is not conducive to long sentances. |
| 21:29.31 | EdLin | ah |
| 21:30.00 | vi_ | the biggest things to look out for are USB port damage. |
| 21:30.07 | vi_ | and slider damage. |
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| 21:30.29 | vi_ | the USB port on the n900 is shit. |
| 21:30.31 | EdLin | how do I tell if they're damaged? Beyond the obvious (i.e. not working) |
| 21:30.54 | vi_ | you cannot really tell :( |
| 21:31.16 | EdLin | sigh, guess I should keep my backup phone instead of hocking it then. |
| 21:31.24 | vi_ | The usual fi is to open it up and solder it down to the main board. |
| 21:31.31 | vi_ | ^fix |
| 21:31.39 | vi_ | anyway. |
| 21:31.55 | EdLin | I'm not very handy with a soldering iron, as I found out by majoring in electronics engineering tech. |
| 21:31.56 | vi_ | assuming it is all there and works fine then happy days. |
| 21:32.15 | vi_ | EdLin: then it sounds like you are over qualified. |
| 21:32.18 | EdLin | lol |
| 21:32.25 | vi_ | it is easy, a chimp could do it. |
| 21:32.35 | EdLin | yeah, I learned how to do NASA-spec joints. |
| 21:32.52 | EdLin | the community college served an apprentiship program at NASA. |
| 21:32.58 | vi_ | if it is missing the stylus just say the item is not as described. |
| 21:33.04 | vi_ | through ebay. |
| 21:33.20 | vi_ | ask the seller to send you one. |
| 21:34.09 | EdLin | I'll do that I reckon. Hopefully they won't give me a hard time. |
| 21:34.13 | SpeedEvil | Refurbished can mean anything from a brand new case, to wiped over with a damp rag. |
| 21:34.20 | vi_ | if he offers to sell you one tell him it is a standard acessoriy and you expecteded it to be included (unless the auction specifically says it was not included.) |
| 21:34.26 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: yup. |
| 21:35.23 | vi_ | basically you can make life hell and cost the seller a lot of money. |
| 21:35.57 | vi_ | you can demand a refund, get him to agree then make him pay for the shipping. |
| 21:36.18 | vi_ | ebay is stacked in the buyers favour. |
| 21:36.31 | vi_ | we have a saying in the motorcycle world. |
| 21:36.57 | vi_ | 'don't sell your shit on ebay unless you want to get raped by cunts' |
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| 21:38.03 | EdLin | vi_, I sold stuff in craigslist, twice. It managed to work out OK, though I hear some people get screwed. |
| 21:38.39 | EdLin | asked to meet in a public place, only accepted cash, no shipped items, etc. |
| 21:39.05 | EdLin | and I'm in Brooklyn, where the scammers are probably among the worst. |
| 21:39.34 | EdLin | I prefer to sell stuff to people I know though. |
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| 21:44.10 | SpeedEvil | Ebay is unfortunately fail for local collection. |
| 21:44.45 | SpeedEvil | Then again - I did have a seller that shipped me 2*1800mm*54mm glass tubes. |
| 21:44.55 | SpeedEvil | In three layers of bubblewrap only. |
| 21:45.05 | SpeedEvil | It went back in a rather smaller box. |
| 21:45.21 | SpeedEvil | They claimed it was 'industry standard' packaging. |
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| 21:57.55 | Raimu | freemangordon: Lemme know if you need some testing help with near-future thumbed libs again. |
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| 22:10.42 | freemangordon | Raimu: feel free to apt-get upgrade ;) |
| 22:11.03 | freemangordon | just make sure you don't have extras-devel enabled :P |
| 22:11.15 | Raimu | Heh, what's in extras-devel now? :D |
| 22:11.20 | freemangordon | NFC |
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| 22:12.07 | freemangordon | just in case :) |
| 22:12.15 | Raimu | Huh. Well, I'll backup and see what's new in the repo. |
| 22:12.41 | freemangordon | Raimu: i've already upgraded my primary device, so I assume it safe |
| 22:12.58 | freemangordon | but yeah, you'd better make a backup |
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| 22:45.31 | DocScrutinizer06 | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 22:48.27 | DocScrutinizer06 | SpeedEvil: btw wtf are you doing with 2 pcs 2m glass tube |
| 22:49.13 | DocScrutinizer06 | thermal sun collectors, neon signs, laser? |
| 22:49.35 | SpeedEvil | solar vacuum tube collectors. |
| 22:49.49 | DocScrutinizer06 | :nod: |
| 22:50.02 | SpeedEvil | I broke two prior to properly installing on roof. |
| 22:50.04 | DocScrutinizer06 | there's been a reason it was first in my list |
| 22:50.45 | FIQ|n900 | :P |
| 22:51.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | hell!!! either amarok is a pile of s**t, or this lenovo T500 has broken audio amp |
| 22:53.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | I'm temped to plug the headphone out to the mic/line-in and check a sinewave playback with audacity recording |
| 23:09.39 | DocScrutinizer06 | dnag, it must be phonon, or (surprise surprise) PA, that introduces terrible clipping even when master volume is turned down to 10% of max |
| 23:10.05 | DocScrutinizer06 | or actually amarok |
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| 23:37.11 | DocScrutinizer06 | ok, was amarok's equalizer |
| 23:37.27 | RiD | chinese. |
| 23:37.36 | RiD | I have to restart irc client again, *sigh* |
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| 23:48.17 | Estel_ | vi__, pong |
| 23:48.24 | Estel_ | what do you want from ed chroot?:) |
| 23:49.07 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you won't belive it, but I actually re-used this IR diode, and after 1,5 hour of carefull preparing (needed to re-do plate, as one on N900 board was fubar gone), and soldering it, it works liek a charm |
| 23:49.13 | Estel_ | s/liek/like/ |
| 23:49.50 | Estel_ | of course, it required even more scratching on surface, now I really have 2mm of ground-less space aroun pad, and pad look like island. |
| 23:50.15 | Estel_ | funny facty - IR diode seems to be lighing with more power (comapred with replacement N900 that got shipped today) |
| 23:50.19 | Estel_ | compared* |
| 23:50.34 | RiD | lolo |
| 23:50.38 | Estel_ | (i.e. looking via digital camera - repaired N900's IR looks considerably brighter) |
| 23:50.40 | RiD | stronger distance to turn off TVs and grief your friends |
| 23:50.51 | Estel_ | or in waiting longues |
| 23:50.57 | Estel_ | always msot shitty tv shows are ON there |
| 23:51.03 | RiD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0&feature=youtu.be |
| 23:51.05 | Estel_ | I love TVBGone! widget |
| 23:51.06 | RiD | real music ^ |
| 23:51.08 | RiD | me too |
| 23:51.18 | RiD | doesn't work that much tho, on my country |
| 23:51.19 | RiD | :\ |
| 23:51.24 | RiD | That music is going to make you jealous |
| 23:51.59 | Estel_ | well, check this ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhYKex-j4_0 |
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| 23:52.18 | Estel_ | well, as for TVBGone! widget for n900, I have yet to see TV that it doesn't turn off. although, I would love to update it with fresh IR codes |
| 23:52.43 | RiD | how far can you turn them off? |
| 23:53.38 | Estel_ | it depens on rpecise aiming, N900 diode generates highly tunelled beam |
| 23:53.55 | Estel_ | but if You don't want to play sniper without a scope, comfortable range is few meters, unfortunately |
| 23:54.03 | Estel_ | IDK now, after repair, I don't have TV to test on |
| 23:54.40 | Estel_ | once I thought about putting difussing lens there |
| 23:54.44 | Estel_ | took from some remote |
| 23:54.54 | Estel_ | most of them have difussing lenses, generating wide beam |
| 23:55.21 | Estel_ | well, on my parent's house, there is Ir Tv and remote, that works even when aimed exactly backward. No idea why, probably, through reflections |
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| 23:55.34 | RiD | i have a remote like that |
| 23:55.34 | RiD | too |
| 23:56.03 | RiD | you can point the remote ir light down your chin |
| 23:56.15 | RiD | so your skull will somewhat work as a, erm, I don't know how it is called, but it spreads the signal |
| 23:56.24 | RiD | never tried to do that with my phone and I would look plain stupid |
| 23:56.28 | Estel_ | well, actually, it would be fun mod to attach powerful high pwoer IR diode to N900, just controlled via same transistor as current diode (but with other power source) |
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| 23:56.45 | Estel_ | ;P |
| 23:57.08 | Estel_ | have anyone tried updates iptables from extras devel? |
| 23:57.19 | robbiethe1st | Nah nah nah. USB controlled IR! |
| 23:57.21 | Estel_ | they sit there for a month, without changelog or TMO post/thread about WTF |
| 23:57.29 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, sure, that would be best |
| 23:57.35 | Estel_ | although USB control for IR is kinda bitchy |
| 23:57.42 | Estel_ | everything I know works through serial |
| 23:57.43 | nox- | ftdi |
| 23:57.49 | robbiethe1st | ^^ |
| 23:58.01 | Estel_ | as for iptables, i'm usually cautious about updates without changelogs or annoucements |
| 23:58.09 | nox- | http://www.huitsing.nl/irftdi/ |
| 23:58.11 | robbiethe1st | And usb->serial chips do work with the N900 |
| 23:58.14 | Estel_ | nox-, what is it? |
| 23:58.35 | robbiethe1st | Speaking of which, I've run a PL2302-based usb->serial adaptor from my N900; worked great. |
| 23:58.35 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, but DIY IKR things doesn't work via usb->serial adaptorsa, most of the time |
| 23:58.38 | nox- | an usb serial chip with bitbang mode needed for ir |
| 23:58.48 | Estel_ | nox, ah |
| 23:58.50 | Estel_ | sounds nice |
| 23:59.01 | robbiethe1st | Uh, why not? |
| 23:59.15 | RiD | Estel_ one REALLY powerful then |
| 23:59.18 | Estel_ | nox-, so using ftdi based adaptor, most things, including IR diodes and receivers (!) should work? |
| 23:59.27 | nox- | Estel_, yes |
| 23:59.32 | nox- | lircd -Hftdi |
| 23:59.33 | Estel_ | it would be nice, it would allow to make N900 also a "learning remote" |
| 23:59.40 | Estel_ | (i.e. recording Ir patterns from remotes) |
| 23:59.51 | robbiethe1st | Should. Anything that can have a serial input/output will work with a serial->usb adaptor and the N900 |
| 23:59.51 | nox- | or you could use an mceusb device i guess |