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| 00:54.14 | iluminator105 | today when i was talking i heard beep beep beep while i was talking on the phone, is my phone being tapped? |
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| 00:56.02 | robbiethe1st | You wouldn't hear anything if it was |
| 00:56.13 | robbiethe1st | Likely interference from another phone nearby checking in |
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| 03:37.28 | jonwil | hi |
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| 03:45.38 | jonwil | hi |
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| 04:20.57 | ShadowJK | isn't beep beep beep call waiting? |
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| 04:34.53 | iluminator105 | n900 forwards calls after 20seconds even though i change the setting it does not stay |
| 04:43.51 | ShadowJK | operator side |
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| 05:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | or starhash-enabler |
| 05:19.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and do it via suggested scc |
| 05:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I for one feel like I know what's really going on when I enter stuf like *#61# and get a cleartext answer from operator |
| 05:40.31 | kerio | hm, is there a way to not make the background shrink when opening the dashboard or the menu, in hildon-desktop? |
| 05:46.44 | kerio | hm, apparently it's a parameter in transitions.ini |
| 05:50.17 | iluminator105 | starhash enabler?? |
| 05:52.17 | kerio | starhash enabler!!!! |
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| 07:22.14 | ZogG_N950 | hey zeq |
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| 07:23.05 | ZogG_N950 | ruskie, did you repackaged newer xmms2? |
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| 07:35.12 | ruskie | ZogG_N950, nope |
| 07:41.43 | kerio | vi_: does the fullscreen toggle work for every program correctly? |
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| 07:49.15 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie: do you still have dst and tar.gz to package? i want to build it for harmattan on COBS |
| 07:49.45 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, erm... no clue |
| 07:50.05 | ruskie | check the repo... though not sure if I have it running atm |
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| 07:52.58 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie: can you check later on you PC as i don't want to scre with dependencies |
| 07:52.59 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, https://repo.codemages.net/source/ |
| 07:53.08 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, if stuff is there |
| 07:53.32 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie: good =) gonna try to build it |
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| 07:56.52 | vi_ | kerio: It depends on how the program is made. Generally it does though. It simply removes window decorations and resizes the window. |
| 07:57.19 | vi_ | kerio: It can have wierd effects if you use it on pop down menues. |
| 07:57.41 | vi_ | the status menu or camracover launcher for example. |
| 07:58.10 | vi_ | It should also be noted that you shoud change the shortcut from ctrl+space to ctrl+enter. |
| 07:58.35 | vi_ | kerio: ctrl+space is in fact a builtin hildon shortcut for changing keyboard layouts. |
| 07:58.44 | vi_ | (I did not know this when I wrote that). |
| 08:06.45 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie: hmm, tried to build 0.8 there, got a lot of unresolved dependencies |
| 08:08.55 | ZogG_laptop | vi_: btw forgot to mention irc chatter, nice one to have on n950 |
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| 08:45.26 | kerio | vi_: i don't really care about changing the dictionary |
| 08:46.40 | kerio | or do you mean that both happen at the same time? |
| 08:48.26 | vi_ | kerio: It can change the keyboard layout. |
| 08:48.43 | vi_ | kerio: Suddenly none of your remaps will work. |
| 08:49.19 | vi_ | kerio: and you will go WTF??? and spend hours trying to figure out WHY THE F* your keys don't work even though you loaded the right keymap 50 times. |
| 08:49.24 | kerio | vi_: changing the kbd layout would be neat |
| 08:49.31 | kerio | you can have *two* layout |
| 08:49.41 | kerio | s |
| 08:49.43 | vi_ | kerio: In short, don't use ctrl+space for xbindkeys shortcuts. |
| 08:49.54 | kerio | anyway, how do you get it to change layout? :( |
| 08:49.59 | vi_ | kerio: Yes, 2 layouts. |
| 08:50.05 | kerio | i can only change the dictionary |
| 08:50.24 | vi_ | kerio: I am talking about xkb not the 'dictionary'. |
| 08:50.46 | kerio | yeah but my xkb layout stays the same :( |
| 08:50.53 | vi_ | kerio: oh wait, ctrl+space changes dictionary for you? |
| 08:51.01 | kerio | yeah |
| 08:51.07 | vi_ | kerio: well fck knows why. |
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| 08:51.26 | kerio | i'm on the european layout |
| 08:51.30 | kerio | er |
| 08:51.45 | kerio | on the global software i mean |
| 08:54.25 | kerio | anyway |
| 08:54.25 | kerio | why the need for f6 then? |
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| 09:18.26 | vi_ | kerio: why the need for F6? |
| 09:18.37 | vi_ | Have you got a 12 hour memory span? |
| 09:19.05 | vi_ | If you fullscreen xterm, there is no button to Un-fullscreen xterm. |
| 09:19.22 | vi_ | F6 brings up the soft menu with the fullscreen button on it. |
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| 09:40.36 | kerio | vi_: can't you use ctrl+enter for both? |
| 09:41.30 | vi_ | kerio: Fullscreen AND F6? Sure, however consider how other programs you may want to fullscreen will react to F6. |
| 09:42.19 | kerio | no, i mean |
| 09:42.20 | kerio | use the fullscreen command for xterm |
| 09:43.02 | kerio | does it work correctly or is osso-xterm a fickle bitch like most of the native maemo programs |
| 09:45.16 | vi_ | Kerio it works fine, however the row of buttons still appears at the bottom. |
| 09:45.29 | vi_ | fullscreen=toggle fullscreen |
| 09:45.41 | vi_ | F6=toggle row of softbuttons |
| 09:45.58 | vi_ | osso-xterm sucks balls anyway. |
| 09:46.15 | vi_ | The only nice feature of it is the adjust font size with volume keys. |
| 09:46.47 | vi_ | Unfortunatley the way maemo deals with fonts is fucking broken so things like normal xterm do not work wrt to changing fonts. |
| 09:47.16 | vi_ | Which is an epic pain in the balls as osso-xterm does not support middle click pasting. |
| 09:47.19 | kerio | vi_: madness |
| 09:49.00 | kerio | F6 toggles fullscreen -without- disabling the softbuttons for me :c |
| 09:52.29 | kerio | oh i see |
| 09:52.57 | kerio | setting the toolbar to false makes F6 enable/disable both |
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| 11:09.34 | zeq | vi_: is osso-xterm opensource? |
| 11:10.20 | vi_ | zeq: I think so. |
| 11:11.01 | zeq | it shouldn't be hard to put middle-button paste functionality in |
| 11:11.17 | zeq | it would be nice on fremantle if it supported portrait rotation too IMHO |
| 11:11.34 | zeq | (especially since it works fine when forced) |
| 11:11.59 | zeq | Am I the only one who thinks that would be useful? |
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| 11:13.50 | zeq | I can't remember how I fixed libstdc++ when I built the toolchains! |
| 11:13.55 | zeq | :( |
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| 11:21.40 | zeq | I really should take notes sometimes |
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| 11:23.31 | jonwil | hi all |
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| 11:26.14 | Pali | jonwil, hi |
| 11:26.31 | zeq | jonwil: hi |
| 11:26.37 | Pali | jonwil, can you disassemble binary /usr/bin/app-detect ? |
| 11:26.54 | Pali | size is 9988bytes |
| 11:27.20 | jonwil | what does it do? |
| 11:27.20 | Pali | objdump is not resolving symbols :-( |
| 11:27.30 | jonwil | and what do you want to know about it? |
| 11:27.54 | Pali | jonwil, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1238874&postcount=28 |
| 11:28.10 | Pali | I want to know how app-detect decide to turn off jackbias |
| 11:29.07 | Pali | or other question, do you know if it is possible to find out which application sending specific dbus signal? |
| 11:29.13 | Pali | (from dbus-monitor) |
| 11:29.38 | jonwil | ok, app-detect does not make any dbus calls at all |
| 11:29.51 | jonwil | the only things it imports are some X calls and some libc calls |
| 11:30.12 | jonwil | it does however make some socket calls |
| 11:30.49 | Pali | jonwil, hm... so then some other application sending that dbus signal... |
| 11:30.56 | jonwil | which dbus signal is it? |
| 11:31.10 | jonwil | give me the name and I can find it |
| 11:31.30 | Pali | look at post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1238844&postcount=27 |
| 11:31.38 | Pali | it is some dict structure |
| 11:31.56 | Pali | "jackbias" |
| 11:32.11 | Pali | I need to know which app send "jackbias" "off" |
| 11:32.40 | jonwil | ok, going to grep my local dump of the N900 firmware for that string |
| 11:33.28 | Pali | jonwil, or if you have wired jack handsfree (that which comes with n900 box) you can try it yourself |
| 11:34.14 | Pali | when you plug or unplug it, some app send that dbus signal (to alsaped) and alsaped set alsa switches |
| 11:34.57 | Pali | but if there is active phone call, then some app send dbus signal jackbias *on* (when handsfree is plugged) |
| 11:35.29 | Pali | and I want to know why in active phone call is jackbias *on* and why in other situation off |
| 11:35.47 | jonwil | ok, the string is referenced in 3 files |
| 11:35.51 | jonwil | alsaped.conf |
| 11:36.00 | jonwil | policy.dresc |
| 11:36.00 | Pali | and then I want to create proper solution how to enable jackbias on for other applications then phone call |
| 11:36.06 | jonwil | policy.plc |
| 11:36.26 | Pali | ok |
| 11:36.52 | jonwil | the policy.* filers come from policy-settings-rx51 |
| 11:36.54 | jonwil | files |
| 11:37.09 | Pali | I have bad feelings, that "app-detect" decide for jackbias on and off |
| 11:37.22 | Pali | strings on app-detect show "rtcom-call-ui" "on" "off" |
| 11:37.35 | Pali | and rtcom-call-ui is phone call application... |
| 11:37.56 | Pali | I know file alsaped.conf |
| 11:38.09 | Pali | it is configuration for alsaped |
| 11:38.23 | Pali | here is written what will happend if somebody send that dbus signal |
| 11:38.40 | Pali | so here is rule what to do if somebody send jackbias off |
| 11:39.24 | Pali | also in app-detect is string "call UI window class" |
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| 11:40.21 | Pali | jonwil, you written that app-detect make some sockets |
| 11:40.38 | jonwil | app-detect binary comes from policy-application-detector |
| 11:40.44 | Pali | can you dump what it listen/sent? |
| 11:40.49 | Pali | yes, I know thi |
| 11:40.51 | Pali | s |
| 11:41.23 | jonwil | read http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/policy-application-detector/0.0.6+0m5/ |
| 11:41.30 | jonwil | the description of the package answers the question |
| 11:41.36 | jonwil | it says "Changes are comminated to ohmd using UDP over 127.0.0.1" |
| 11:41.55 | Pali | ok, ohmd are opened |
| 11:42.08 | Pali | I will try to find what ohmd is receiving... |
| 11:42.26 | jonwil | its probably a closed-source plugin for ohmd that does the work |
| 11:42.29 | Pali | jonwil, can you disassemble that binary app-detect and upload it to pastebin? |
| 11:42.56 | jonwil | it doesn't have any symbols on its functions, just on the imports |
| 11:43.09 | Pali | ohm and all its plugins are now opensource, look https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages |
| 11:43.26 | Pali | I found git commits which are for fremantle version |
| 11:45.32 | jonwil | aha, I think the policy.dresc and policy.plc files are compiled Prolog code |
| 11:45.33 | jonwil | one or both |
| 11:45.55 | jonwil | package policy-settings-rx51 has a dependency on swi-prolog-lib-core |
| 11:45.55 | Pali | yes, code for SWI prolog :-) |
| 11:46.24 | jonwil | we need to find any open version of the same prolog code (either Maemo or MeeGo) |
| 11:46.52 | Pali | swi prolog code can be disassembled |
| 11:46.55 | Pali | back to text |
| 11:47.13 | jonwil | ok, in that case disassemble the code and it should show you how it deals with the jack stuff |
| 11:47.44 | Pali | problem is that I do not know how to disassembly it... |
| 11:48.13 | jonwil | nor do I |
| 11:48.46 | vi_ | Pali: I thought jack bias on/off is set by HAL policy file...? |
| 11:48.48 | Pali | I tried it load it into my swi prolog on notebook, but it show message: |
| 11:48.50 | Pali | Could not open resource database "policy-settings-rx51/usr/share/policy/rules/rx51/policy.plc": Inappropriate ioctl for device] |
| 11:49.07 | Pali | seems that arm compiled prolog code cannot be loaded on x86 |
| 11:49.19 | Pali | vi_, no by alsaped |
| 11:49.34 | Pali | no hal policy but dres policy |
| 11:49.53 | vi_ | Pali: I assume you have looked at the post install script in 'headset enabler'? |
| 11:50.14 | Pali | yes |
| 11:50.17 | vi_ | ok |
| 11:50.22 | Pali | it hack alsaped config file |
| 11:50.23 | vi_ | ...proceed |
| 11:50.41 | Pali | vi_, I'm trying to find proper solution, no hacking system files... |
| 11:51.02 | Pali | and sometimes it does not worked that solution (by headset enabler) |
| 11:51.14 | vi_ | Pali: I noticed. |
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| 11:52.19 | zeq | can anybody figure out how I managed to fix libstdc++.so to statically link properly? |
| 11:52.55 | zeq | it's only 1/4 of the size compared to the working version |
| 11:53.22 | Pali | http://www.swi-prolog.org/pldoc/doc_for?object=section(4,'2.10.2.3',swi('/doc/Manual/compilation.html')) |
| 11:53.34 | vi_ | Pali: you are not totally distracted by your new n950 yet? |
| 11:53.37 | Pali | seems that prolog code is platform independet |
| 11:54.01 | zeq | no toolchain gurus here then? :) |
| 11:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-07-20 13:35:28] <Pali> and I want to know why in active phone call is jackbias *on* and why in other situation off |
| 11:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | because in phonecall mic is supposed to work |
| 11:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably somewhere you'll find policy headset and policy headphone |
| 11:54.48 | Pali | jackbias is switch to enable headset button |
| 11:55.11 | Pali | somebody from nokia said that when is enabled then battery is quickly drained |
| 11:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and button does what? It simply shortens mic |
| 11:55.23 | vi_ | 10k mic pulldown. |
| 11:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, it draws like 3mA |
| 11:55.36 | Pali | I tested and no battery drain :D |
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| 11:56.14 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Unless you have a knockoff chinese headset like I thought I would try. Opened it up to find they had missed out the jack bias resistor. |
| 11:56.28 | vi_ | Imma like, 'wat da..' |
| 11:56.45 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, with that line I mean: want to know which app decide to turn off/on jackbias and how this app decide... |
| 11:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia's 'own' wired audio spec says sth like "2V via 2kR, and mic shall have 500R to 2kR" |
| 11:57.55 | vi_ | <1mA |
| 11:58.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 11:58.17 | vi_ | fuckit, the notificationr led uses more. |
| 11:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but there's loss on some components maybe |
| 11:58.46 | vi_ | The ALS sensor uses more! |
| 11:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, bat drain is negligible |
| 11:59.05 | Pali | broadcast: is there some prolog hacker? |
| 11:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeeew prolog |
| 11:59.33 | vi_ | Pali: Sorry, I am a no-skill gnu-b |
| 11:59.55 | Lava_Croft | g-nub makes you sound like a rapper |
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| 12:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | idiot's OT question: how would I start a KDE desktop window from a remote ubuntu on my winXP cygwin? |
| 12:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (alternative: PuTTY) |
| 12:03.32 | Lava_Croft | i cant process words like cygwin |
| 12:03.35 | Lava_Croft | i refuse, sorry |
| 12:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I so far managed to start "X" on windoze, with xterm. in xterm log in to ubuntu via ssh -XY. start xeyes or whatever on ubuntu machine with window in win-"X" |
| 12:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | however that's an unbearable windows manager in that "X" |
| 12:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no desktop at all |
| 12:07.44 | vi_ | you fire up xterm |
| 12:07.54 | vi_ | then start all your programs with a & |
| 12:07.58 | vi_ | job done |
| 12:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | unbearable win-mngr like "WTF?! how do I close that xeyes?" |
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| 12:08.15 | vi_ | killall xeyes |
| 12:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ^^^ |
| 12:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 12:08.42 | vi_ | aaah, wait a second. |
| 12:08.49 | jonwil | ok, if we can find a way to decompile the prolog we might be able to go further with this |
| 12:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | this thing is unbearable with more than 2 windows |
| 12:08.52 | jonwil | otherwise I am out of ideas |
| 12:08.52 | vi_ | What are you using for your xserver? |
| 12:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | cygwin |
| 12:09.21 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: There is a windows program called xming. |
| 12:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | cygwin xterm: startx |
| 12:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | opens some shit that reminds me on fvwm or whaever |
| 12:11.01 | vi_ | xming lets you start programs either in individual windows or put your xserver into its own window. |
| 12:11.46 | _shadowx | DocScrutinizer, do you have xinitrc ? |
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| 12:12.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | _shadowx: on windows? NFC |
| 12:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably not |
| 12:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: I want a KDE desktop |
| 12:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a window |
| 12:13.13 | _shadowx | xinitrc is used to choose your windows manager. its related to X not to the OS itself. |
| 12:13.31 | jabis | DocScrutinizer05: well - you could just use putty to forward your X along with setting sshd_config to allow X forwarding as well |
| 12:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | just that there's no real X on windows |
| 12:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | jabis: X forwarding already works |
| 12:14.42 | jonwil | hmmm, I think the prolog policy.plc file is output from some sort of just-in-time compiler |
| 12:14.46 | jonwil | which is why its specific to ARM |
| 12:14.48 | jonwil | and why its fast |
| 12:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for single programs like xterm, xeyes whatever, and all are in this unbearably cygwin fvwm remake |
| 12:15.09 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Yes there is. It is called xming. |
| 12:15.31 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: You start a local Xserver. |
| 12:15.37 | jabis | DocScrutinizer05: xorg-x11-base? |
| 12:15.58 | vi_ | On your doze box. |
| 12:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: I know! |
| 12:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-07-20 14:14:20] <DocScrutinizer05> jabis: X forwarding already works <DocScrutinizer05> just for single programs like xterm, xeyes whatever, and all are in this unbearably cygwin fvwm remake |
| 12:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-07-20 14:05:40] <DocScrutinizer05> I so far managed to start "X" on windoze, with xterm. in xterm log in to ubuntu via ssh -XY. start xeyes or whatever on ubuntu machine with window in win-"X" |
| 12:17.30 | jabis | DocScrutinizer05: startkde would fire kdm and gnome-session gdm |
| 12:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I'm missing is which program to start to get a proper KDE desktop in that window, instead of xeyes or xterm |
| 12:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | jabis: thanks :-D |
| 12:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | jabis: that's probably the answer to my question |
| 12:18.46 | jabis | ye - gdm and kdm would fail for obvious reasons :) |
| 12:19.43 | jabis | (login) so you just start a session of the window manager instead |
| 12:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 12:22.21 | _shadowx | normaly ~/.xinitrc is doing this. X calls it and in it you have 'exec kdestart' or whatever WM you'll use. |
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| 12:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | just I've not seen any .xinitrc on cygwin |
| 12:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | though there must be something like that, but for the 3 *local* cygwin xterms that pop up |
| 12:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still wonder if the whole kwin or whatever will run *inside* a window of local cygwin "X" |
| 12:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably it should |
| 12:25.58 | SpeedEvil | Xkcd.com seems relevant to this discission- |
| 12:26.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi SpeedEvil:-D |
| 12:26.23 | FredrIQ | (14:16:23) (DocScrutinizer05) [2012-07-20 14:05:40] <DocScrutinizer05> I so far managed to start "X" on windoze, with xterm. in xterm log in to ubuntu via ssh -XY. start xeyes or whatever on ubuntu machine with window in win-"X" |
| 12:26.27 | SpeedEvil | Hey |
| 12:26.45 | FredrIQ | isn't Xming a better idea if you want proper X on windows? |
| 12:26.46 | FredrIQ | for things like xforwarding |
| 12:26.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 12:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it was my way, I'd not even touch that windows stuff |
| 12:27.26 | FredrIQ | i've used it, it has worked perfectly for me |
| 12:27.33 | _shadowx | Note: If you wish to customize the X clients started when the X server starts, you can do so using a ~/.startxwinrc script. |
| 12:27.48 | _shadowx | ^^ do $HOME/.startxwinrc == ~/.xinirc |
| 12:28.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | FredrIQ: I will search for it in our repository of acceptable software |
| 12:29.07 | jabis | DocScrutinizer05: dunno how you instantiate the x, but you could try copying the cygwin.bat > X.bat and change the bash line to: bash --login -c X -multiwindow - dunno whether it makes a difference |
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| 12:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | bash line?? |
| 12:29.39 | jabis | in cygwin.bat |
| 12:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, actually there's a bash, yes |
| 12:30.09 | jabis | it should do a something like bash -i blablabla |
| 12:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll look into what startx in cygwin does |
| 12:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now it starts tow local xterms and a login console |
| 12:31.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | two* |
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| 12:36.32 | vi_ | FIQ: There is the right way, the wrong way and the DocScrutinizer05 way. The DocScrutinizer05 way being like the right way, but even more correct. |
| 12:36.58 | vi_ | s/correct/principled |
| 12:37.07 | FIQ | ok |
| 12:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O ??? |
| 12:37.50 | jonwil | ok, so unless we can decompile the policy.plc file, we arent going to be able to find out more about the jack stuff |
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| 12:41.45 | jonwil | pali: ping |
| 12:46.53 | fasta | How do I download a few GB of maps to my n900 such that I don't need an internet connection for mapping? And: which application should I use? |
| 12:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: could you enlighten me about the reference of your last post? |
| 12:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: depending on your mapping app. |
| 12:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | marble for example has download option built in iirc |
| 12:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | for ovi maps there've been instructions on tmo some years ago |
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| 12:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: way more interesting: marble comes with onboard routing |
| 12:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka offline routing, aka monav |
| 12:54.39 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: It is a joke DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:55.02 | vi_ | poking fun at your insistance that things should be done in the absolute best way. |
| 12:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, no problem with the joke ;-) I just grepped my 20klines backscroll for last time FIQ said something -- nada |
| 12:55.49 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: and where is the download whole planet button? |
| 12:55.57 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: for marble. |
| 12:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, I think you can't |
| 12:56.10 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer: I rarely say anything |
| 12:56.11 | fasta | I read somewhere it was only 4GB or so. |
| 12:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | only countries one by one |
| 12:56.37 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: where does it get the maps? |
| 12:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on number of zoom levels you want to download |
| 12:56.56 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: i.e. who has to pull the plug before it stops working? |
| 12:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | openstreetmap |
| 12:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | though iirc in marble you can choose from different sources |
| 13:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: no problem with that either. But why did vi_ highlight you then? |
| 13:00.20 | FIQ | My altnick is FredrIQ |
| 13:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, nickchange, that might explain it |
| 13:00.50 | FIQ | (14:26:00) (FredrIQ) isn't Xming a better idea if you want proper X on windows? |
| 13:00.52 | jonwil | I used mappero and it seems to be great, the only wish I had is that it would have a better display for "hey, I dont have that tile locally and you told me not to download any tiles from the internet" |
| 13:00.52 | FIQ | (14:26:06) (FredrIQ) for things like xforwarding |
| 13:00.52 | FIQ | (14:26:47) (FredrIQ) i've used it, it has worked perfectly for me |
| 13:00.55 | FIQ | etc |
| 13:01.45 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: are you involved in the new Jolla (or something like that) project? |
| 13:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly (yet?) |
| 13:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the streetnames are for reading with a magnifier glass |
| 13:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: I might not be allowed to install Xming |
| 13:04.36 | FIQ | ok |
| 13:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | will look for it in our pool of cerified software |
| 13:09.00 | fasta | Does the camera stop when there is an incoming call? |
| 13:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | (btw one of the reasons i'd prefer to do as much as possible on a proper linux system. If i'm missing anything there, I may download the source and build it on my own) |
| 13:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: probably |
| 13:10.48 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: why? |
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| 13:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | errrr, good question ;-) |
| 13:11.30 | fasta | When I saw a Samsung Galaxy S2 do that, I was like: wtf? |
| 13:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because it's hard to focus on your target while holding the phone to your ear? |
| 13:12.12 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: I am merely talking about an incoming call. Not even answering it. |
| 13:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I see your point |
| 13:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess cpu load is another good reason to not do both concurrently |
| 13:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the sheer fact that camera goes into standby mode whenever it loses focus is the pragmatic reason why I think it does stop |
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| 13:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | since dialer pops up on inbound calls |
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| 13:16.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what nikocam does |
| 13:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite probably the same |
| 13:17.46 | Pali | jonwil, see http://pastebin.com/vGMnWpMi |
| 13:17.59 | Pali | policy-settings-rx51/usr/share/policy/rules/rx51/policy.plc is compiled from files ^^^ |
| 13:18.39 | jonwil | yeah I saw that myself |
| 13:18.44 | Pali | jonwil, some open source meego files: https://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/policy-settings-basic/trees/n900/basic/policy |
| 13:18.48 | jonwil | yes I saw those too |
| 13:18.56 | jonwil | posted in the forum about that |
| 13:19.12 | jonwil | The meego stuff doesn't have the jack stuff |
| 13:20.38 | Pali | I'm trying to find way how to load that policy.plc file into swi prolog... |
| 13:20.49 | jonwil | I haven't found a way to do it |
| 13:21.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why is cpu utilization an issue? can't the n900 handle a call and the camera? |
| 13:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | PA on a call is rather cpu heavy |
| 13:22.03 | Pali | jonwil, that state prolog file can be created in swi prolog by predicate: qsave_program(+File, +Options) |
| 13:22.26 | Pali | we need to find predicate which load state file stored by qsave_program |
| 13:26.34 | jonwil | dont know how that can be done |
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| 13:29.48 | qwazix | vi_: actually I found out that ctrl+space doesn't really switch layouts on the N900, there isn't such mechanism (only one kb layout is active) |
| 13:30.50 | qwazix | The non latin layouts have 8(!) levels where the first 4 are latin and the other 4 e.g. greek, russian etc |
| 13:31.36 | qwazix | ctrl+space switches active levels from 1-4 to 5-8 |
| 13:32.13 | qwazix | unlike the N950 ctrl+shift which actually switches layouts |
| 13:35.16 | Pali | "This system may only distributed using the GNU General Public License" |
| 13:35.17 | qwazix | so in theory with setxkbmap and two 8 level layouts you can switch between 16 levels of keys :) |
| 13:35.22 | Pali | "because the following components contain GPL-ed code:" |
| 13:35.35 | Pali | this is in file policy-settings-rx51/usr/share/policy/rules/rx51/policy.plc |
| 13:35.41 | Pali | jonwil, see ^^^^ |
| 13:36.43 | jonwil | ok, in that case someone should ask Nokia to comply with the GPL and share the code :) |
| 13:37.16 | Pali | ah, who will write email? |
| 13:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hurry or there won't be anybody left to ask |
| 13:37.32 | Pali | I cannot because my email address is on banlist |
| 13:37.42 | njsf | there will always be lawyers |
| 13:38.11 | Pali | I asked for more source code and from one time, they stopped to answer on my email... |
| 13:38.27 | Pali | jonwil, can you write email? |
| 13:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: WTF?! |
| 13:38.35 | njsf | and there is the GPL enforcers, so you can have the FSF Europe deal with it ? |
| 13:38.40 | jonwil | actually, wait |
| 13:38.49 | jonwil | it seems like that file contains different licenses |
| 13:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | njsf: pinging Harald Welte is one of my favourite weekend hobbies ;-D |
| 13:39.14 | njsf | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html |
| 13:39.32 | kerio | i has a remapped keyboard! ^_^ |
| 13:39.51 | kerio | vi_: ^ |
| 13:40.14 | jonwil | actually, http://www.swi-prolog.org/pldoc/man?predicate=license%2F2 says it may not be GPL after all |
| 13:40.29 | jonwil | i.e. it depends on if any code actually calls license(GPL) or if its just code from license.pl |
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| 13:41.38 | qwazix | kerio: did you find a battery? |
| 13:41.58 | Pali | @?This program may be distributed under any license, provided all@! @;conditions implied by the GNU Lesser General Public License@! @;are satisfied. In particular, this implies the source code@! @>to any modification in SWI-Prolog or one of the used libraries@! must be made available.@! |
| 13:42.08 | Pali | jonwil, read more ^^^ |
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| 13:42.15 | kerio | i what? |
| 13:42.29 | fasta | What is a good phone for someone who is not very technical and basically just want to read e-mail 'on the go'? |
| 13:42.34 | qwazix | you were asking about bl5j's the other day |
| 13:42.44 | jonwil | note that policy-settings-basic for MeeGo says GPL |
| 13:42.45 | qwazix | did you buy one? |
| 13:43.16 | kerio | oh right |
| 13:43.17 | kerio | no, not yet |
| 13:43.20 | kerio | but it's a long-term goal |
| 13:43.25 | kerio | possibly a dual scud/japod |
| 13:43.40 | kerio | mugen xl batteries cost a shitton |
| 13:44.32 | qwazix | I've got 3 japods and theyre very good value/money, and still available |
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| 13:47.11 | kerio | but... scuds are better! |
| 13:47.12 | kerio | :c |
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| 13:48.42 | qwazix | indeed but I think they aren't so much better to make up for the double price |
| 13:49.20 | fasta | Is there any way to turn off the '1 application installed' message? |
| 13:49.40 | fasta | I prefer a *nix way of interaction: 'shut up until there is a problem'. |
| 13:50.21 | fasta | (and preferably I would use applications/devices with tons of error correcting codes, such that there are no problems) |
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| 13:50.51 | qwazix | fasta: apt-get install :) |
| 13:51.13 | kerio | qwazix: do you know if someone tried to make a triple battery? |
| 13:51.32 | fasta | qwazix: according to DocScrutinizer05 there are some kinds of additional checks in the normal application. |
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| 13:52.12 | qwazix | kerio: haven't seen one, no, but how would you fit it in the N900, duct tape? |
| 13:52.41 | kerio | qwazix: sure, why not :D |
| 13:52.56 | kerio | or maybe put the two extra batteries sideways |
| 13:53.05 | qwazix | fasta: correct, but this AFAIK helps when installing system packages, not simple apps |
| 13:53.15 | jonwil | ok, I am not convinced that this file is actually GPL or LGPL |
| 13:53.28 | jonwil | but I dont know the details of swi-prolog licenseing |
| 13:53.40 | jonwil | best answer is to contact Nokia and ask for a specific confirmation |
| 13:53.50 | jonwil | the .deb file itself has no license file whatsoever |
| 13:53.58 | qwazix | kerio: I would have gone with dual batteries long ago if mugen had a lens cover |
| 13:54.37 | qwazix | but I hate to have to swipe the lens clean each time I want to take a photo, |
| 13:54.44 | qwazix | not to mention scratches |
| 13:55.12 | qwazix | (and that cleaning the lens would require removal of the mugen cover) |
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| 13:55.38 | kerio | wait, i thought mugen had a lens cover D: |
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| 13:56.05 | kerio | qwazix: so do you just swap batteries? |
| 13:56.19 | kerio | powercycling is annoying :c |
| 13:56.34 | Pali | jonwil, now I sent mail to sourcecode.request@nokia.com for source code request |
| 13:56.50 | Pali | but I think that I'm on blacklist |
| 13:57.01 | Pali | jonwil, can you write email too? |
| 13:57.54 | qwazix | kerio: I didn't have, idk if they changed the design. I don't mind powercycling but now that my bupbat has gone flat it's a bit annoying because I have to play slotmachine if I don't do the swap magic-trick fast |
| 13:57.59 | jonwil | I dont know how to write such emails |
| 13:58.04 | jonwil | I always say the wrong things |
| 13:58.06 | jonwil | :P |
| 13:58.09 | qwazix | s/I/it/ |
| 13:59.27 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, can you write email for jonwil? |
| 13:59.28 | kerio | meh, not really |
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| 13:59.36 | kerio | just ntp and/or launch gpsrecorder |
| 13:59.57 | fasta | Is there some application which will tell me how late it will be at some location on the planet given some other location and time at some other place on the planet? |
| 14:00.07 | qwazix | and I like better having one or two spare batteries in the other pocket than have a giant bulge |
| 14:00.38 | jonwil | ok, now that I found bits needed to allow replacement (e.g. in CSSU) of WiFi bits, what should I reverse engineer next? :P |
| 14:00.53 | kerio | qwazix: anyway, japods are 1370mAh, scud blue dreams are 1530 |
| 14:01.10 | qwazix | kerio: good idea, my network used to have auto time but this doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 14:02.36 | qwazix | all scud blue dreams are 1530? I read there were batches with lower capacity to fit in other phones |
| 14:02.45 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 14:02.57 | kerio | i might buy a couple of japods, i s'pose |
| 14:03.14 | kerio | or three, since dx gives a discount if you buy 3+ |
| 14:04.11 | qwazix | jonwil: osso-calendar |
| 14:04.40 | jonwil | what specifically is unknown about the workings of that |
| 14:04.57 | jonwil | if there is specitfic unknowns about what it talks to, how it stores data etc, then yes I can look at it |
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| 14:05.07 | jonwil | but I dont plan to just reverse engineer it for the purposes of cloning its UI |
| 14:05.37 | Pali | that policy.pl was compiled by older swi prolog |
| 14:05.42 | qwazix | jonwil: I'm not sure exactly but I read that it's impossible to boot maemo without it |
| 14:05.49 | Pali | installing older swi prolog on computer |
| 14:06.51 | qwazix | and indeed I stumbled upon it when trying to run fremantle in a chroot, and as I was hoping we could strip out all closed source bits from fremantle to be able to redistribute a chroot image |
| 14:07.11 | qwazix | that is why I said it |
| 14:07.27 | jonwil | which calendar package specifically? |
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| 14:07.52 | jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages lists all the calendar packages as "no" under "Needed For N900" |
| 14:08.19 | qwazix | don't know, I apt-get removed anything related to calendar, let me check |
| 14:08.30 | jonwil | please do |
| 14:08.42 | jonwil | if that page is incorrect, then it should be corrected |
| 14:10.23 | jonwil | well Calendar-ui-widgets is used by modest and osso-notes as well as calendar |
| 14:10.37 | Pali | by osso-notes? |
| 14:10.47 | Pali | what is notes doing with calendar?? |
| 14:11.10 | jonwil | calendar-ui contains some widgets |
| 14:11.17 | jonwil | I mean calendar-ui-widgetsd |
| 14:11.21 | jonwil | like color picker or something |
| 14:11.43 | jonwil | "A ColorPicker UI Widget for Calendar and others" |
| 14:11.45 | jonwil | is what it says |
| 14:11.58 | qwazix | it was calendar-ui and calendar-home-applet but maybe it was another thing that prevented running hildon and I mistakenly attributed to calendar as I had read that removing it breaks maemo |
| 14:11.58 | jonwil | there is a dev package for it in the SDK |
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| 14:13.41 | jonwil | well I dont see anything specific about calendar that looks important |
| 14:15.14 | jonwil | ok, so someone give me something to reverse engineer then :P |
| 14:16.17 | merlin1991 | messages ui |
| 14:16.26 | kerio | jonwil: hildon-welcome, with the slotmachine |
| 14:16.36 | merlin1991 | not neccesarily the ui part but the dbus or what ever communication behind it |
| 14:17.58 | jonwil | rtcom-messaging-ui is complex to reverse engineer because of all the ties to telephony |
| 14:18.17 | jonwil | as for hildon-welcome, what do we need to know about it? |
| 14:18.17 | merlin1991 | a perfect task then eh? :D |
| 14:18.21 | kerio | jonwil: rewrite every slotmachine picker into something more sensible |
| 14:18.39 | jonwil | I already gave up on rtcom-messaging-ui |
| 14:18.40 | kerio | namely, date and time both in the settings menu and in the welcome screen |
| 14:18.46 | kerio | and the fmtx frequency |
| 14:19.20 | merlin1991 | dang I hoped one day we can replace the ui package :/ |
| 14:19.20 | jonwil | and I am not interested in doing deep level UI work, I have tried that already. |
| 14:19.42 | jonwil | What I am looking for is something which talks to other parts of the system where we want to know how it does that |
| 14:19.48 | jonwil | like I did with the WiFi stuff before |
| 14:19.58 | qwazix | jonwil: also maybe clockd, how to replace it with something open |
| 14:20.10 | merlin1991 | qwazix: there is the open clock from ade |
| 14:20.30 | qwazix | merlin1991: does it replace clockd or only the ui? |
| 14:20.40 | merlin1991 | the current state lives on cssu gitorious, and will probably be worked on |
| 14:20.43 | merlin1991 | I think only the ui |
| 14:21.06 | qwazix | I was talking about the daemon |
| 14:21.18 | kerio | wtf is clockd, and why is it closed? |
| 14:21.19 | merlin1991 | ah sry then |
| 14:21.23 | Pali | daemon clockd is closed |
| 14:21.38 | jonwil | clockd is the daemon for handling time |
| 14:21.47 | qwazix | does timed for harmattan do the same job? and is it open? |
| 14:21.55 | Pali | I update time from celullar network |
| 14:22.05 | Pali | this is reason why is closed |
| 14:22.11 | Pali | timed is open |
| 14:22.24 | Pali | doing similar job, but interface is different |
| 14:23.25 | jonwil | there is both clockd and libtime |
| 14:23.32 | Pali | both closed |
| 14:23.32 | jonwil | both are related |
| 14:23.37 | jonwil | i.e. libtime talks to clockd |
| 14:23.39 | jonwil | both are closed |
| 14:23.51 | Pali | libtime is only dbus library which talk to clockd |
| 14:24.31 | jonwil | ok, so what do we need to know about clockd? |
| 14:25.30 | kerio | why the fuck do we need a daemon to keep track of the time |
| 14:26.13 | jonwil | the daemon is needed so it can talk to other stuff over dbus |
| 14:26.33 | jonwil | e.g. it talks to signal com.nokia.phone.net.network_time_info_change |
| 14:26.46 | jonwil | com.nokia.mce.signal.sig_device_mode_ind |
| 14:26.57 | Pali | daemon also send signal when it changing clock |
| 14:27.13 | Pali | so all application should update it via that dbus signal |
| 14:27.14 | jonwil | yeah it does |
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| 14:27.22 | Pali | it is needed if you have time timer |
| 14:27.25 | Pali | in your app |
| 14:27.31 | jonwil | ok, so what do we need to know about what clockd does? |
| 14:27.45 | kerio | so why does a normal linux desktop NOT need something like that? |
| 14:27.50 | Pali | jonwil, there is docs |
| 14:27.51 | qwazix | we probably need to know if all the methods and signals of it can be replaced by equivalent timed functions |
| 14:28.11 | Pali | jonwil, https://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/clockd/ |
| 14:28.31 | Pali | and https://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libtime/ |
| 14:28.31 | fasta | I basically still have the same question as before: how can I download a lot of map data first to my desktop computer and then to the phone? I don't care which mapping application for the moment. |
| 14:28.39 | fasta | I don't get why this isn't documented. |
| 14:28.57 | qwazix | kerio: I think cron does that, not sure though |
| 14:29.25 | fasta | I have no problems getting it from the desktop to the phone. |
| 14:29.40 | qwazix | fasta: you can use ovi map loader for ovi maps |
| 14:29.51 | fasta | The problems are 1) "where to get the data?" 2) Where is it supposed to go? |
| 14:30.02 | fasta | qwazix: that requires Windows, doesn't it? |
| 14:30.35 | qwazix | mm, yep, but I suppose it could work with wine. Also there is a website with direct links |
| 14:31.55 | fasta | qwazix: I also cannot find the canonical place to download Nokia Ovi Suite. |
| 14:32.38 | qwazix | fasta: there I can't help you, never used that crapware |
| 14:32.48 | fasta | qwazix: huh? |
| 14:33.00 | fasta | qwazix: so, you aren't even suggesting you yourself endorse? |
| 14:33.05 | fasta | qwazix: why would you do that? |
| 14:33.24 | qwazix | no I didn't say ovi suite, I said ovi map loader |
| 14:33.40 | qwazix | a little standalone program that just downloads maps |
| 14:34.36 | fasta | qwazix: ok, and what is the canonical location to get that? |
| 14:34.47 | fasta | qwazix: Google seems to have trouble finding int. |
| 14:34.49 | fasta | it* |
| 14:34.50 | qwazix | it's deprecated but it works fine with the N900 and you can still find it if you google for it. Maybe not from nookia directly though |
| 14:35.22 | qwazix | fasta: I've got it somewhere around here let me check |
| 14:36.08 | fasta | Some of the open source apps look really well, but they don't allow me to do what I want, which is downloading a lot of data from my desktop in one go and then transferring it do some directory. |
| 14:36.14 | Pali | jonwil, also see old version (have some other/more data): http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/alpha/clockd/ http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libtime/ |
| 14:36.39 | fasta | Perhaps I can reverse-engineer how it works, but I don't get why they don't just document their stuff. |
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| 14:37.58 | Pali | hahahaha, nokia pushed source code of libomxil into documentation, see: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libomxil-bellagio/ |
| 14:38.02 | Pali | :D:D:D |
| 14:38.50 | Pali | jonwil, DocScrutinizer05, see ^^^^ |
| 14:38.57 | jonwil | its LGPL anyway |
| 14:40.48 | qwazix | fasta: play.qwazix.com/Nokia_Map_Loader_Setup.en.exe it needs to find a drive with the file qf that ovi maps creates on the first run, |
| 14:41.14 | qwazix | haven't tried it on Linux though |
| 14:42.11 | jonwil | ok, all the info one would need to know about clockd dbus interface is here https://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/clockd/clock__dbus_8h.html |
| 14:42.24 | jonwil | that matches with what I can see in the clockd code |
| 14:42.32 | qwazix | got to go |
| 14:43.11 | jonwil | so it should be possible to replace clockd with new daemon that talks the same dbus interface |
| 14:43.56 | qwazix | jonwil: that sounds good |
| 14:44.14 | qwazix | but you still need to find something to reveng :) |
| 14:44.36 | qwazix | anyway bye for now |
| 14:45.08 | jonwil | yes I*do still need something to reverse engineer |
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| 14:49.43 | jonwil | although what exactly is the benefit of replacing clockd other than "because we can"? |
| 14:51.32 | kerio | i still can't believe we have a daemon called clockd |
| 14:51.41 | kerio | the kernel keeps track of time ffs |
| 14:51.56 | jonwil | clockds job is to listen to signals from the cellular services daemon |
| 14:52.24 | jonwil | related to the cellular network time information |
| 14:52.34 | kerio | so... if i disabled network time update, why is it still running? |
| 14:53.03 | RiD | jonwil: so it can update his time to the network time? |
| 14:53.09 | jonwil | yes |
| 14:53.11 | RiD | that never worked for me on any mobile here |
| 14:53.15 | RiD | :/ |
| 14:53.54 | jonwil | your network may not send certain things |
| 14:54.18 | jonwil | so yeah timed listens for com.nokia.phone.net.network_time_info_change |
| 14:54.38 | jonwil | which takes parameters year, month, day, hour, minute, second, timezone, daylightsaving |
| 14:54.43 | RiD | because my network sucks |
| 14:55.00 | jonwil | it also calls get_network_time_info |
| 14:55.05 | jonwil | which returns the same values |
| 14:55.57 | jonwil | as for why its running even if autosync is off |
| 14:56.26 | jonwil | is that things can still request network time values via libtime0 |
| 14:56.31 | jonwil | even if its not autosync |
| 14:56.42 | jonwil | that and libtime itself contains the calls to turn autosync on |
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| 14:56.52 | jonwil | and to tell clockd that autosync is now on |
| 14:58.02 | jonwil | thank you to whoever at Nokia made dbus info for com.nokia.phone.net available to us mere mortals :) |
| 14:58.09 | jonwil | quite nice to have |
| 14:59.23 | jonwil | still looking for something worth reverse engineering :P |
| 14:59.36 | RiD | FBI |
| 14:59.43 | RiD | you're arrested |
| 14:59.55 | RiD | ...for possessing barbie dolls |
| 15:00.23 | jon_y | jonwil: the bootloaders? :) |
| 15:00.29 | jonwil | heh yeah right |
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| 15:01.08 | jon_y | where is my working uboot... :| |
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| 15:03.47 | jonwil | ok, find something I can actually do :P |
| 15:03.59 | RiD | dumbass |
| 15:04.08 | RiD | oh sorry, wrong channel |
| 15:04.10 | RiD | :S |
| 15:05.06 | ZogG_laptop | RiD: why are always trolling? |
| 15:05.39 | jonwil | still need something to reverse engineer :P |
| 15:08.24 | RiD | ZogG_laptop: it wasn't on purpose (the dumbass word). i was using the virtual kb and didn't see what channel i was on |
| 15:09.32 | ZogG_laptop | RiD: you are only on #maemo on freenode at least? |
| 15:09.50 | RiD | I spend most of my time on gtanet |
| 15:11.02 | ZogG_laptop | jonwil: you want to reverse engineer? you can check harmattan's parts =P |
| 15:11.13 | jonwil | I dont care for harmattan :P |
| 15:11.47 | ZogG_laptop | bad for you |
| 15:12.08 | jonwil | I only care about Fremantle because my device is a N900 :P |
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| 15:12.31 | jon_y | jonwil: fix my uboot? :) |
| 15:12.39 | jon_y | well, pali's uboot |
| 15:12.50 | jonwil | like I said, I am not interested in bootloader stuff |
| 15:13.52 | jon_y | ah ok |
| 15:14.02 | jon_y | phonet modem? |
| 15:14.35 | jonwil | not intereted in the cellular modem firmware either :P |
| 15:14.49 | jon_y | sim card application toolkit? |
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| 15:15.45 | jonwil | thats not possible without changing the modem firmware IIRC |
| 15:16.27 | jon_y | ah, so you're still not touching the firmware? :) |
| 15:17.10 | jon_y | or at least make the gsm modem capable of screwing with the base station |
| 15:18.10 | jon_y | or whatever wifi-pwner did for wifi, except now it does to gsm |
| 15:18.43 | kgu | Is it possible to get info about which NodeB and RNC the N900 is connected to? Does the celltower provide this info to the mobile? |
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| 15:31.22 | ShadowJK | what's rnc? |
| 15:35.32 | kgu | Radio Network Controller |
| 15:37.02 | kgu | The controller of a nodeB |
| 15:37.05 | cuppsy | Google-fu has produced varying answers... is there a way to prop KDE's Plasma Active on top of Maemo (N900) or is it only really plausible with MeeGo? |
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| 15:47.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | kgu: iirc you can deduce it from some nodeB extended id |
| 15:51.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | kgu: netmon: RNC ID 514 |
| 15:54.45 | kgu | great, thx! Nice app |
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| 15:57.35 | freemangordon | zeq: you've opened a new bug? why didn't update the old one? |
| 15:58.17 | zeq | freemangordon: I'm going to open a new bug for each of our patches (that we wish to push upstream) as romaxa asked me to ;) |
| 15:59.15 | freemangordon | aah, great we have romaxa back |
| 15:59.47 | zeq | I have them all ready to go. I've just been trying to get this bloody toolchian to work... |
| 16:00.05 | zeq | s/toolchian/toolchain/ |
| 16:00.06 | freemangordon | I was without inet since yesterday night, seems I missed some interesting development :) |
| 16:00.36 | zeq | oh? |
| 16:01.01 | freemangordon | yeah, my bill was not payed :D |
| 16:01.17 | freemangordon | and stupid inet provider didn't send me a mail |
| 16:01.29 | zeq | oops |
| 16:01.44 | kgu | DocScrutinizer51: Do you know if BSC ID is also possible, maybe another app? |
| 16:01.52 | kgu | when on 2G |
| 16:02.13 | freemangordon | zeq: anyway, i have to go out for a while, bbl |
| 16:02.29 | zeq | ok, I'll hopefully have that toolchain working by then... |
| 16:02.42 | freemangordon | wish you luck |
| 16:02.42 | zeq | I can't remember how I got it working before... |
| 16:14.10 | jonwil | still cant think of anything worth reverse engineering... |
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| 17:14.55 | gn00b | whenever i click on an icon on my nokia n900 my phone freezes. i've done a hard reset but still the same thing. i does change to all 4 desktops with no problem but that's about it. no time, no status bar. any ideas??? |
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| 17:38.52 | jonwil | kerio: ping |
| 17:47.20 | Sicelo | gn00b: either something's taking up your RAM or your processor. reboot? |
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| 17:48.19 | zeq | freemangordon: still hitting http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53135 :( |
| 17:48.21 | povbot | 04Bug 53135: was not found. |
| 17:52.48 | gn00b | Sicelo, i have to reboot every time i end a call or click an icon |
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| 17:54.21 | Sicelo | ah, after a reboot, you could start Xterm via Shift+Ctrl+X, run htop (or top if you don't have htop) .. might help you see which process is the cause of your sorrows |
| 17:59.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | kgu: nope, no idea |
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| 18:03.39 | gn00b | Sicelo, using top. Mem: 242272K used CPU: 6.2% |
| 18:04.08 | gn00b | is that about right? |
| 18:05.50 | Sicelo | too much ram used. |
| 18:06.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | either a forkbomb or some process fscks dbus |
| 18:07.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | mem used doesn't tell too much |
| 18:08.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | cpu a little bit more |
| 18:08.42 | gn00b | 13.4% Mem /usr/bin/osso-addre is the largest amount that i can see being used |
| 18:10.32 | gn00b | 62.5% CPU /usr/bin/Xorg -logf |
| 18:12.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | check your rootfs for free space |
| 18:12.36 | gn00b | how? this is all new to me |
| 18:12.44 | Sicelo | df -h / |
| 18:12.56 | kerio | jonwil: pong? wtf |
| 18:15.24 | gn00b | Filesystem: rootfs Size: 227.8M Used: 134.7M Available: 88.8M Use%: 60% Mounted on: / |
| 18:16.17 | Sicelo | free enough :P |
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| 18:17.11 | gn00b | i don't care if i lose all my personal data (pics, music, numbers)...i just want my device to work. |
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| 18:19.09 | Sicelo | ah, shortcut is to flash then |
| 18:19.22 | Sicelo | flash rootfs only |
| 18:20.01 | Sicelo | in your shoes, i'd carefully review my recent app installations, etc |
| 18:21.54 | Sicelo | has come close to a reflash numerous times since 1 year ago, but with a careful 'recovery strategy' has managed to avoid it completely thus far |
| 18:21.58 | Sicelo | :P |
| 18:22.14 | gn00b | flash just the rootfs...do you know of a url with a good tutorial? |
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| 18:22.49 | Sicelo | ~flashing |
| 18:22.50 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:26.02 | gn00b | after reading the link, i realize that i flashed it this morning. still have the same problem. |
| 18:27.25 | Sicelo | :-| |
| 18:27.35 | Sicelo | flash went fine? |
| 18:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | some crap in ~ |
| 18:28.16 | gn00b | can't remember exact syntax, but i remember the word 'successful' |
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| 18:31.05 | Sicelo | then you'll have to flash eMMC too |
| 18:32.00 | Sicelo | if you still have the problem after a 'verified' successful flash, it would start to point to failing hardware |
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| 18:36.41 | gn00b | so it seems that the only difference in flashing the eMMC is a trailing '-R' |
| 18:37.01 | Sicelo | not really :P |
| 18:37.26 | Sicelo | you need to supply the correct image. there's a rootfs image and an emmc image |
| 18:37.35 | gn00b | just flashed rootfs again. CMT flashed successfully |
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| 18:41.29 | gn00b | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin |
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| 18:41.37 | gn00b | says it's combined |
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| 18:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | 002? |
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| 18:45.51 | Ja_ | hi, can anyone help me with flashing my n900? |
| 18:46.19 | Sicelo | omg. today is n900 flashing day :P |
| 18:46.25 | Sicelo | Ja_: why do you need to do that? |
| 18:46.34 | gn00b | it says that it's the 'Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900' |
| 18:47.49 | Ja_ | yesterday it just turned off by itself and when i wanted to boot it up again there were no images and win98 like UI |
| 18:49.02 | Ja_ | couldn't do much on it, the top bar was pink and i had no icons on the desktop |
| 18:49.25 | Sicelo | gn00b: most of us flash global firmware |
| 18:49.43 | Ja_ | so i thought if i have to reflash it why not checking out nemo and that's where problems happened |
| 18:49.50 | Sicelo | Ja_: incredible. |
| 18:50.26 | Sicelo | anyway, |
| 18:50.31 | Sicelo | ~flashing |
| 18:50.31 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:50.37 | Sicelo | Ja_: ^ |
| 18:51.20 | gn00b | ok...i'll try the global one |
| 18:51.26 | Ja_ | the problem is i cannot boot the phone into upgrade mode |
| 18:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | US version is known to have ... issues, sometimes |
| 18:51.44 | Ja_ | now i cannot boot it at all |
| 18:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | recharge your battery in a 5800 |
| 18:52.09 | Sicelo | Ja_: probably battery. get another fully charged battery |
| 18:52.15 | Sicelo | ah, DocScrutinizer05 beat me to it :P |
| 18:52.43 | Ja_ | dont have a 5800, charging it in n900 is an option? |
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| 18:53.04 | Sicelo | as long as it's a working n900 ;) |
| 18:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900 won't charge with fsckd rootfs |
| 18:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually, no phone does |
| 18:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but usually you don't mess up your rootfs on featurephones |
| 18:54.32 | Sicelo | yeah. /me still has an N-Gage with a fsckd rootfs. no one can flash it this side of the world |
| 18:55.32 | Ja_ | so, without a battery i cannot do anything right now? |
| 18:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 18:55.54 | Ja_ | ok, thanks for your time |
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| 19:08.16 | FIQ | Ja_: if you don't have access to another n900 or 5800, I suggest buying an external charger over getting a new battery in your situation |
| 19:08.31 | FIQ | they're cheap |
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| 19:09.29 | gn00b | you guys (or girls) are great! it works. thank you for taking the time with me. |
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| 19:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | gn00b: :-D |
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| 19:13.04 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 19:13.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | gn00b: now get backupmenu! |
| 19:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 19:13.53 | infobot | methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 19:16.21 | vi__ | freemangordon: ping. |
| 19:17.36 | vi__ | psssht |
| 19:17.44 | vi__ | cracks a beer. |
| 19:21.07 | gn00b | got it. thanx again. |
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| 20:06.16 | Ja_ | @FIQ you think connecting the battery to the acp-7e charger by a couple of wires would work? |
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| 20:15.14 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't do that |
| 20:15.50 | ShadowJK | the output voltage is too high, either the battery takes damage or the battery's circuitry takes damage |
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| 21:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | DO NOT MESS WITH LI-ION BATTERIES! |
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| 21:07.45 | ShadowJK | and if you do blow one up, DO NOT INHALE, leave the area immediately |
| 21:10.40 | chem|st | and GO SEE A DOCTOR |
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| 21:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?262234-TK-Monster-Explosion&s=3bd8b08241a23249dba5893049dc93f9 |
| 21:12.31 | FIQ | or better yet: don't mess with batteries at all outside their intended use (being used and being charged - with conventional methods) |
| 21:13.10 | kerio | FIQ: but messing around is fun! |
| 21:13.47 | FIQ | kerio: do what you want |
| 21:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but first see that link I posted |
| 21:14.11 | FIQ | disclaimer :: I take no responsibility for any kind of damage caused by my line above |
| 21:15.07 | ShadowJK | http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?340028-Flashlight-Explosion&p=3969230&viewfull=1#post3969230 |
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| 21:19.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: dang, if only I mentioned the LiIon batteries in that shelf that burnt down and almost took me with it |
| 21:21.03 | ShadowJK | I briefly wondered why the flashlight people seem to get more bodily harm from Li batteries than RC people, but then realized that when the RC model airplane/heli or whatever explodes, it's not usually in the same room as the user :P |
| 21:21.32 | vi__ | ShadowJK: or in their pocket. |
| 21:21.36 | Woody14619 | Yikes... |
| 21:21.59 | vi__ | I believe chem|st has an amusing story concerning exploding batteries... |
| 21:22.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just happy there were ~80 shells 9mm in that shelf, so this was probably what awakened me |
| 21:25.28 | vi__ | wha...bullets? |
| 21:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: where from stems the HF? |
| 21:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Teflon membrane? |
| 21:25.49 | ShadowJK | I'm unsure of the chemistry involved |
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| 21:27.39 | Woody14619 | Off for the weekend. Try not to blow yourselves all up before I'm back. :) |
| 21:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: seems you got a link to same forum anyway :-D |
| 21:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: we will leave a video for you |
| 21:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | now serious: such thinng like the blasted away balcony can't happen with BL-5J, but you *might* start a fire and suffer from ventig poisonous gas anyway |
| 21:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | while charging in N900 is safe due to hw safety measures, it is NO good idea to alien charge LiIon cells with any random power source you happen to find somewhere |
| 21:32.40 | ShadowJK | off topic: tricopter armed with fireworks hunting hydrogen balloons, and bonus fireworks anti-aircraft turret at end :-) |
| 21:32.46 | ShadowJK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozHoP_YThRI |
| 21:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think the final boom was again the battery ;-P |
| 21:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | just wonders how they managed Z-axis rotation with a tricopter |
| 21:40.18 | ShadowJK | the rear rotor is servo mounted and can tilt left/right |
| 21:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or are those rotors swivel-mounted |
| 21:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:41.54 | ShadowJK | They're supposedly easier to control than quad |
| 21:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 21:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess the electronics won't bother if it's tri or quad ;-D |
| 21:44.18 | ShadowJK | For tri you might get away with gyro stabilization, but for quad I think you need a full mcu |
| 21:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | stupid mech gyro stabi? |
| 21:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather write a PID in assembler ;-) |
| 21:46.04 | ShadowJK | In RC world, "gyro" is essentially a unit, that has servo control data input, and output. It can do "attitude hold" or "rate hold" on one axis, and can affect a single servo (or speed control) output to do that |
| 21:47.12 | ShadowJK | I think with quadcopter you need to do more "mixing" of control outputs to achieve desired goal? |
| 21:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing a raspi couldn't do ;-D |
| 21:47.47 | ShadowJK | tricopter can have pitch controlled by rear rotor speed, yaw controlled by rear rotor tilt, and roll by forward rotors |
| 21:48.08 | ShadowJK | The popular controllers are "arduino based" ;-) |
| 21:48.58 | ShadowJK | "Atmega48/88/168/328 (DIL28)" |
| 21:49.00 | ShadowJK | :D |
| 21:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 21:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so low end it gets expensive |
| 21:49.43 | ShadowJK | That's PIC ;-) |
| 21:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | DIL28 - dafaq! |
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| 21:50.28 | ShadowJK | It's nice for people who only ever solder 100Amp battery plugs |
| 21:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pondering since 15 minutes about my old weird idea of a 2stroke-powered generator instead of batteries, for those quads |
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| 21:53.10 | ShadowJK | It's useful for longevity |
| 21:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | energy density of castor oil > LiIon |
| 21:53.55 | ShadowJK | I don't know about quads, but on "normal" RC helis, you can get about 20-30 minutes on electric while carrying camera platform and equipment for realtime downlink of videostream |
| 21:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | recharging possible while flying |
| 21:55.22 | ShadowJK | With extra fuel tanks and such, nitro powered "normal" RC helis can get close to an hour of flight time, but the smoke and vibrations are annoying |
| 21:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:56.00 | ShadowJK | this thing only has noise and fire issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y1Xh_VAUTcA#t=100s |
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| 22:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, such a turbine monster spinning at 50,000/min and eating like a liter/min of gasoline is no less scary than LiIon going mad |
| 22:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how they transmit the turbine power to the rotor |
| 22:03.25 | trx | well, with pressure? |
| 22:04.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or with difficulaty |
| 22:04.49 | ShadowJK | There's this thing that starts spinning immediately, but the main gear and autorotation gears on the main rotor shaft seem to not move at all at first!? |
| 22:06.18 | ShadowJK | (rest of video fairly standard fly around) |
| 22:08.13 | ShadowJK | maybe some sort of centrifugal clutch or infinitely variable transmission.. |
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| 22:11.19 | iluminator105 | where can i get a n950? |
| 22:12.00 | ShadowJK | The ones existing in the wild are "loaned" from Nokia. I heard someone sold their loaned device on ebay for like $2,500 though? |
| 22:12.32 | iluminator105 | if its that much i will thake a pass i was hopin maybe around 250 range |
| 22:12.40 | iluminator105 | take* |
| 22:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: not all are loaners |
| 22:12.44 | ShadowJK | The phone was never released |
| 22:12.50 | ShadowJK | And it was never sold |
| 22:13.09 | ShadowJK | If it had been, it would probably had same, or slightly higher, price range as the N9 |
| 22:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, it _was_ sold afaik, on commercial DDP |
| 22:13.31 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 22:13.40 | ShadowJK | Yeah but not to general public :P |
| 22:13.41 | iluminator105 | what does ddp stand for |
| 22:13.48 | ShadowJK | developer device program, presumably |
| 22:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | 6 months resale clause |
| 22:14.20 | ShadowJK | Anyway as it stands, they're pretty damn rare and that's why the one on ebay went for so much |
| 22:14.22 | iluminator105 | i dont know why nokia makes great products and not release it to people |
| 22:14.32 | ShadowJK | I heard they break pretty easily |
| 22:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | here ddp == launchpad (or was it actually launcpad?) |
| 22:15.20 | ShadowJK | But yeah I agree, a qwerty hw keyboard N9? I'd pay money for that |
| 22:15.29 | ShadowJK | But then again, I'd pay alot more for a upgraded N900 :P |
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| 22:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, our hw/admin-guy today - when I seen him using his phone - told me it's a hooker800, not a N9. And he likes it way better than any spyPhone |
| 22:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp since it connects to exchange server |
| 22:19.39 | noch | & |
| 22:19.54 | noch | sorry |
| 22:20.21 | ShadowJK | Ooh, 3dmasters 2012 happened |
| 22:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | just the SIM holder incl SIM shoots away 2 meters whenever he opens the USB flap, since he dropped the device and the sim hoolde rnotch broke ;-P |
| 22:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sim holder notch |
| 22:21.50 | ShadowJK | grrr, it appears the official video crew used interlaced video. W.T.F. |
| 22:22.01 | kerio | i want a dual-core n900 with 2gb of ram :c |
| 22:22.26 | ShadowJK | I raise you quad core |
| 22:23.41 | kerio | don't be ridiculous now |
| 22:23.43 | ShadowJK | HSPA dual carrier and LTE, wifi 11n dual band |
| 22:23.53 | kerio | why only dual? |
| 22:24.01 | iluminator105 | wow, lets make a spec sheet of your ideal phone and send it jolla mobile |
| 22:24.06 | ShadowJK | Because no carrier does tripple carrier? |
| 22:24.21 | kerio | no, i meant the wifi |
| 22:24.35 | ShadowJK | what other bands are there besides 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz? |
| 22:25.05 | kerio | ShadowJK: *another* 2.4GHz or 5GHz |
| 22:25.22 | kerio | daddy needs his dual radio |
| 22:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | listen... do you hear it already? |
| 22:25.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the *plink*? |
| 22:25.53 | kerio | yeah |
| 22:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 22:26.21 | kerio | and you're the one that still doesn't provide a service to upgrade the ram! |
| 22:26.37 | kerio | you're an EE! you should be good at this stuff! |
| 22:27.05 | FIQ | in fact there's a site that allows you to upgrade your RAM directly via the site, works instantly! :o |
| 22:27.12 | kerio | o: |
| 22:27.31 | ShadowJK | remebers Norton RAMbooster software sold on retail shelves in retail box |
| 22:27.34 | ShadowJK | promised to double your ram |
| 22:27.37 | ShadowJK | through software |
| 22:27.37 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 22:27.39 | kerio | ...what |
| 22:27.43 | FIQ | too bad I don't remember what it was called |
| 22:27.53 | FIQ | shadeslayer: seriously? |
| 22:27.58 | FIQ | er |
| 22:28.03 | FIQ | never mind my failed HL |
| 22:28.15 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:28.19 | FIQ | ShadowJK: what did it do, exactly? create a swap? |
| 22:28.29 | ShadowJK | run memmaker and create swap, yeah |
| 22:28.34 | ShadowJK | presumably |
| 22:28.47 | kerio | twice the ram! but the newly-added ram is slow as shit |
| 22:28.54 | FIQ | none sued them? |
| 22:28.55 | ShadowJK | Mr Norton was such a scam artist when he started, that's why I refuse to use Norton products today.. heh |
| 22:29.13 | FIQ | heh |
| 22:29.19 | ShadowJK | Nobody remembers Norton Crashguard? It promised to fix all crashes! |
| 22:29.33 | FIQ | did it do anything at all? |
| 22:29.50 | ShadowJK | What it did was hook into all the signal handlers, or whatever that's called on Windows, and just made everything ignore crashes and continue anyway |
| 22:30.05 | FIQ | lol :p |
| 22:30.33 | ShadowJK | It had fancy GUI listing the amount of crashes it saved you from! |
| 22:30.41 | FIQ | afk |
| 22:30.45 | FIQ | heh |
| 22:30.50 | FIQ | afk |
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| 22:32.30 | iluminator105 | why not make a miniature version of rasperry pi with 1.4 dual core chip and communication chip and battery add on to it |
| 22:33.27 | ShadowJK | ... |
| 22:33.43 | ShadowJK | rPi is pretty miniature as it is |
| 22:34.12 | ShadowJK | It's the "1.4Ghz", "dual core", "communication chip", and all that, that make things bigger |
| 22:34.27 | kerio | just put an i7 in the n900 |
| 22:34.38 | kerio | what can go wrong? |
| 22:35.19 | iluminator105 | i7 your battery would drain fast |
| 22:36.18 | ShadowJK | Clocking the rPi chip at 1.4Ghz would still be slower than N9 for sure |
| 22:37.54 | iluminator105 | i am saying sell a raspberry like device except its a phone barebones |
| 22:38.10 | kerio | iluminator105: the openpandora would be neat, except that they don't want to put a phone module in |
| 22:38.16 | kerio | also, carriers won't let you do that |
| 22:38.38 | ShadowJK | Like GTA04? Just circuitboard |
| 22:38.41 | ShadowJK | iirc |
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| 22:48.04 | iluminator105 | GTA04 thats pretty cool |
| 22:49.57 | FIQ|n900 | [00:38:10] <kerio> iluminator105: the openpandora would be neat, except that they don't want to put a phone module in |
| 22:50.19 | FIQ|n900 | isn't the pandora's specs worse than n900? |
| 22:52.13 | ShadowJK | same as n900 iirc? |
| 22:53.12 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 22:53.13 | FIQ|n900 | oh yes |
| 22:54.34 | iluminator105 | even if jolla mobile comes with something half ass decent, it will sell like hot cakes, IMHO |
| 22:55.00 | ShadowJK | I wonder how many night flying RC helicopters get reported as UFOs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Bnk-5G7TB60#t=110s |
| 22:57.44 | nox- | will jolla mobile have this aegis thing too tho? |
| 22:59.16 | ShadowJK | That's my biggest concern really |
| 23:01.29 | ShadowJK | The 3 suckiest properties about N9, as I gather, is 1) aegis 2) hw kbd 3) compromising touchscreen for curved surface |
| 23:01.41 | ShadowJK | But I've never used an N9, so |
| 23:02.08 | nox- | *nod* |
| 23:03.20 | FIQ|n900 | as long as jolla or anyone at all are going to ever make phones with hardware keyboards again I'm fine |
| 23:03.34 | FIQ|n900 | seen too much of hw-kbd-less things... |
| 23:03.47 | ShadowJK | asus makes hw kbd tablet, but that's not the same I guess |
| 23:04.31 | FIQ|n900 | asus transformer? |
| 23:04.38 | FIQ|n900 | uhh |
| 23:04.40 | ShadowJK | And slider |
| 23:04.47 | FIQ|n900 | ah ok |
| 23:04.58 | FIQ|n900 | the transformer is nice but not really what I want |
| 23:05.11 | FIQ|n900 | as it's a tablet |
| 23:05.31 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 23:05.56 | ShadowJK | I've been seriously considering ordering an asus transformer as N800/N810 replacement though |
| 23:06.15 | FIQ|n900 | I've considered buying one, but not as a phone |
| 23:06.29 | ShadowJK | ofc |
| 23:06.51 | FIQ|n900 | but more like an ultraportable computer, it could probably do wonders as one |
| 23:07.28 | ShadowJK | Well not really |
| 23:07.36 | ShadowJK | it fails as "ultraportable computer" because it runs android |
| 23:07.37 | ShadowJK | heh. |
| 23:07.41 | FIQ|n900 | yeah |
| 23:07.45 | FIQ|n900 | that's the problem |
| 23:08.11 | ShadowJK | As "thing to surf cats on youtube while falling asleep" though, it should be nice |
| 23:08.24 | FIQ|n900 | heh :p |
| 23:08.43 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
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