| 00:00.13 | ShadowJK | Also it's slightly swollen :P |
| 00:00.17 | Estel_ | wasn't it comfortable with bogger cover? |
| 00:00.18 | Estel_ | I see |
| 00:00.25 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 00:00.33 | ShadowJK | I did like the bigger cover |
| 00:00.44 | Estel_ | Well, I must say that I like bigger cover more - easier to write on hardware keyboard, + this better grip |
| 00:01.10 | Estel_ | You know, material used for mugen cover is less slippery |
| 00:01.11 | ShadowJK | has 3 of those covers actually, one of them home modified to support camera and microsd |
| 00:01.42 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, support camera and microSD? does it mean You had old ones that have"'t supported it? |
| 00:01.49 | ShadowJK | Yes |
| 00:01.57 | Estel_ | for some years, mugen covers have silly switch for camera and magnet |
| 00:02.11 | ShadowJK | The first batch of covers didn't have magnet or camera switch |
| 00:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 00:02.27 | Estel_ | I glued this magnet to N900 corpus, anyway, and I've modified cover to have real camera lens cover, like stock |
| 00:02.37 | ShadowJK | Mugen redesigned cover to add magnet and camera switch, and sent two covers to everyone with the old cover. |
| 00:02.39 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, I was aware about camera, but magnet? :P |
| 00:02.49 | Estel_ | sounds nice |
| 00:02.55 | Estel_ | thats why You have 3 :P |
| 00:03.01 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 00:03.17 | Estel_ | well, protecting camera via own slide cover was kinda priority for me |
| 00:03.25 | ShadowJK | I agree that the less slippery surface of the mugen cover is more comfortable |
| 00:03.30 | Estel_ | I've put tutorial somewhere on TMO for modding it like that |
| 00:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | do they actually exploit the additional space? |
| 00:03.43 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, nope, only for battery |
| 00:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah for battery |
| 00:03.56 | Estel_ | advantage is that it have plenty room for mods |
| 00:04.05 | ShadowJK | As a bonus, the mugen cover gets rid of the problem with N900 flash blinding its own camera |
| 00:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | like getting multiple cells or custom shaped cell |
| 00:04.27 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, as for battery, sure, it's 2x bigger. But capacity is crappy for 80 USD or how much it costs |
| 00:04.31 | ShadowJK | let me find the mugen cell, it's kinda silly |
| 00:04.33 | Estel_ | custom shaped |
| 00:04.48 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, yea, this flash thing ;) |
| 00:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh flash - how did they handle that? |
| 00:05.32 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, the funny fact is that dual-scud costed 2x less, and being dual cell, it had 3Ah power vs mugen'ish 2400 mAh |
| 00:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | also, isn't the camera door to small when so far away from lens? |
| 00:05.48 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, simple - no chrome border, no blue parts :P |
| 00:05.58 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, no, it's big enough |
| 00:06.11 | Estel_ | no ill effects re photos, equally the opposite, better ones |
| 00:06.31 | ShadowJK | oh no, I found my original mugen cover, and the magnet has escaped! |
| 00:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 00:06.43 | Estel_ | silly thing is that there is NO slide'able cover for camera, it's exposed all the time. Only switch for hardware detection |
| 00:06.47 | ShadowJK | but the white strip I added for camera is still there |
| 00:07.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, but it's quite easy to mod it for adding real slide cover for camera, like stock, with auto detection working too |
| 00:07.47 | Estel_ | white strip? So You had camera detected as "on" all the time? |
| 00:08.05 | Estel_ | no ill effects on power usage? |
| 00:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2400mAh, muge... er muhahahaha |
| 00:08.42 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ? :) |
| 00:08.48 | ShadowJK | no ill effects on power |
| 00:08.57 | Estel_ | capacity isn't funny, only price is :P |
| 00:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a cover like mugen, i'd cram at least 5 cells in there, for ~4000mah |
| 00:09.26 | Estel_ | btw, using custom shaped cell, they could, for holy hell's sake, upgrade it for better capacity, with time |
| 00:09.44 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, kinda impossible re free volume |
| 00:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I meant |
| 00:09.57 | Estel_ | though about using more smaller cells, or one bigger |
| 00:10.11 | Estel_ | it doesn't turn out better than dual scud |
| 00:10.18 | Estel_ | re flat cells available |
| 00:10.38 | Estel_ | well, 18650 is gonna change everything, if it works out okey'ish :P |
| 00:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | severla smaller cells would for sure result in better capacity than mugen |
| 00:10.54 | Estel_ | 2 of them summing up for 6.8 A is kinda... well |
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| 00:11.36 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/mugen.jpg |
| 00:11.39 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I've checked flat cells capacities on different size and volume available, and it was slightly better than mugen, but not better than dual scud. Not to mention price increase |
| 00:11.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | how much higher is the mugen? |
| 00:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh fsck! |
| 00:12.20 | ShadowJK | .75mm higher than 2 BL-5J |
| 00:12.28 | ShadowJK | :P |
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| 00:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 00:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 00:12.43 | Estel_ | ough, this N900 looks kinda unused |
| 00:12.54 | Estel_ | well, it's almost like 2 bl-5j |
| 00:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and wasting all the empty space around battery |
| 00:13.19 | Estel_ | that's why dual scud fits there fine |
| 00:13.23 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, yea ;) |
| 00:13.52 | Estel_ | Well, I use that space around battery how "grip" holding spare microSD card |
| 00:14.00 | Estel_ | s/how/for/ |
| 00:14.08 | ShadowJK | The new cover has a crossbeam that reaches down to the "hole" below the camera lens, this beam extens across teh width of the n900 |
| 00:14.23 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, could You, kindly, modify bot to listen to me? It's kinda silly to do: |
| 00:14.30 | hdfgd | ~n900 |
| 00:14.30 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer |
| 00:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd find cells that are as long as N900 is high, and place several of them all on the back, covering all available area |
| 00:14.46 | Estel_ | ...just to use factoids :P |
| 00:14.54 | ShadowJK | ooh actually bigger than that |
| 00:15.52 | ShadowJK | finds unused mugen cover in original plastic bag |
| 00:15.57 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, the thing is that 18650, despite cylindrical size, offer better capacity per volume than flat ones |
| 00:15.57 | ShadowJK | still covered in protective plastic foil |
| 00:15.58 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 00:16.11 | Estel_ | not to mention being much cheaper, even best ones |
| 00:16.17 | Estel_ | due to popularity, etc |
| 00:17.09 | Estel_ | single 18650 have - right now - reliable 3.4A capacity, so 2 of them, despite "wasted" space around cyllinders, are still better than flat ones using same volume and exploiting this space |
| 00:17.12 | Estel_ | fully |
| 00:18.35 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, btw, I'm planning to make "better grip" surface on custom backcover (for custom body, or seperate) too |
| 00:18.41 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/mugencover1.jpg http://enivax.net/jk/n900/mugencover2.jpg |
| 00:18.42 | Estel_ | and better kickstand .P |
| 00:19.30 | Estel_ | and this lovely port for external antenna, on custom body... |
| 00:19.39 | Estel_ | antennas * |
| 00:20.19 | Estel_ | ...and this lovely messing with ground plane... :P |
| 00:23.03 | cehteh | and contacts for a charger stand |
| 00:23.30 | cehteh | (or a coil .. inductive charging ftw) |
| 00:24.01 | japh | http://devel.japh.se/n950/fm/20120706_001.jpg |
| 00:24.29 | ShadowJK | fm antenna? :) |
| 00:24.36 | japh | yep :) |
| 00:26.27 | japh | docscrutinizer05, 11:02 ❌ doc|home japh: ping me later in the weekend <- not sure if that was you? |
| 00:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_003.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_004.jpg |
| 00:27.10 | japh | :o |
| 00:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 00:27.34 | japh | oh he *was* here. doc|home, ping. |
| 00:27.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3*1300mAh |
| 00:28.07 | cehteh | haha .. if you dont need the cam, i am sure you find 3 batteries which fit :P |
| 00:28.08 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, anyway way to sensibly check if choke in our step down converter isn't going into saturation? |
| 00:28.18 | Estel_ | You know, with shields took out |
| 00:28.20 | japh | docscrutinizer05, nice work! |
| 00:28.31 | Estel_ | and some tool touching b42150 pins... |
| 00:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: the choke is the black cube next to bq24150 |
| 00:29.00 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, as for batteries, forget about place for camera? |
| 00:29.04 | Estel_ | ouh |
| 00:29.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | made of ferrite ceramic |
| 00:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | place for camera? |
| 00:29.38 | Estel_ | You can't use whole N900's lenght |
| 00:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't |
| 00:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't the first photo clear enough? |
| 00:30.22 | Estel_ | I see, but it is little too long to close cover |
| 00:30.35 | Estel_ | batteries too long |
| 00:30.45 | Estel_ | tried that already :P |
| 00:31.00 | Estel_ | even with cells without heads with pins, no way to close cover (big one) |
| 00:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since I picked 'random' batteries to do those snapshots as we chat |
| 00:31.11 | Estel_ | ah |
| 00:31.47 | Estel_ | hm, dr_frost_dk have hundreds of batteries lying around, I'll forward idea to him |
| 00:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and still I think with plastic cut off they would fit into mugen |
| 00:31.54 | Estel_ | maybe some model is better suited |
| 00:32.33 | Estel_ | as for choke black cube |
| 00:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | (those were GTA02 batteries) |
| 00:32.46 | Estel_ | any way to measure something about it? or only temperature? |
| 00:32.53 | cehteh | http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=86&LiPoConfig=1&sortlist=&CatSortOrder=desc ..see if you find something :) |
| 00:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a scope you could find out about current or magnetic field |
| 00:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but temperature is a pretty good indicator, as this thing should stay cool until it gets fsckng hot |
| 00:34.19 | RiD | fsck |
| 00:35.10 | Estel_ | btw, ShadowJK, here is tutorial for adding simple but effective camera slider to mugen cover v 2.0 |
| 00:35.11 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038196&postcount=799 |
| 00:35.28 | Estel_ | (i.e. one with fixed design, like those 2 You have) |
| 00:36.00 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I'll put thermal sensor to this cube, when charging from empty |
| 00:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | most significantly temp will drop sharply with battery pulling a lil bit less current |
| 00:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | in case it comes out of saturation eventually |
| 00:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly I doubt Nokia did SUCH botch |
| 00:37.48 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, btw, what are those charging status'es shown when starting charge.sh, like 0x10? |
| 00:38.01 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I hope so :P |
| 00:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | finding a good choke isn't simple, and chip manufs suggest particular build&manuf they tested |
| 00:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that one is fit for chip max ratings |
| 00:39.06 | Estel_ | so 1250 should be fine and happy, in theory. |
| 00:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 00:39.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise I wouldn't have stated "charging is safe no matter what you do" |
| 00:39.57 | Estel_ | ok, going to sleep. ShadowJK, if You answer later, I'll check chanlogs :) |
| 00:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only later noticed there's *theoretical* possibility of Nokia building crap here |
| 00:40.26 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, yea, well, we will test it, but for now, it looks good |
| 00:40.29 | ShadowJK | Estel_, they're the raw status value as returned by the charger chip |
| 00:40.35 | ShadowJK | their meaning is in the datasheet.. |
| 00:40.39 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, ok, how to interpret them? |
| 00:40.41 | Estel_ | ah |
| 00:40.45 | Estel_ | thanks a lot |
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| 00:41.10 | Estel_ | bb and good night! |
| 00:41.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of the meansings is "overheat" |
| 00:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | meansong |
| 00:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems booson(2).sh script does proper decoding, and I thought i've seen similar thing in more recent charger scripts of ShadowJK? |
| 00:43.42 | ShadowJK | yes, decodes to /home/user/MyDocs/charge.log |
| 00:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw the meaning doesn't change much between boost and charge |
| 00:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: oh wait, isn't the 0x10 at start the general status and not the error? |
| 00:45.43 | ShadowJK | It's "In Progress" |
| 00:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | lyep |
| 00:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that |
| 00:46.05 | ShadowJK | 0x10 and 0x90, the other bit is for gpio status |
| 00:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | OTG aka fastcharger |
| 00:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | though not reliable as musbcore messing with 1707 config |
| 00:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: btw if your script would monitor softstart, it could determine max USB current available for next retry |
| 00:50.35 | ShadowJK | yes |
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| 01:03.23 | RiD | yes this is rid |
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| 01:15.22 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: well, slightly smaller inductor |
| 01:16.05 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 01:16.05 | jacekowski | no |
| 01:18.01 | jacekowski | hmm, capacitor is smaller than in reference design |
| 01:19.32 | jacekowski | a lot smaller, 100n in n900 and 10uF in reference design |
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| 01:23.55 | ShadowJK | on the output side? |
| 01:25.36 | jacekowski | yes |
| 01:26.29 | ShadowJK | Are you familiar with the charger design before N900? :-) |
| 01:26.49 | jacekowski | no |
| 01:26.55 | jacekowski | not on phones |
| 01:27.02 | jacekowski | but generally yes |
| 01:27.56 | ShadowJK | Before N900, the DC adapter was current limited to 900mA, and charge regulation was basically a single mosfet switched on and off at 1Hz. :-) |
| 01:28.30 | jacekowski | on NITs or generally nokia phones? |
| 01:29.06 | jacekowski | but well, those chargers were 3.7V for a reason |
| 01:29.09 | ShadowJK | All nokia phones of same generation as NITs :-) |
| 01:29.32 | ShadowJK | They actually output somewhere above 5.2V and less than 12V |
| 01:29.33 | jacekowski | basically most of charging was done by a charger |
| 01:29.48 | jacekowski | it says 3.7V on the charger |
| 01:29.49 | ShadowJK | Below 4.8V there was a linear regulation mode |
| 01:30.19 | ShadowJK | The "fast charger" above 5.2 was 1Hz pwm :- |
| 01:30.19 | ShadowJK | :-) |
| 01:30.43 | jacekowski | well, bq isn't that much different |
| 01:30.44 | ShadowJK | It would accept 12V, if the supply was current limited to 100mA |
| 01:30.46 | jacekowski | it's just much faster |
| 01:31.32 | ShadowJK | The first two batteris in my N810 caused reboots because bme aborted when the battery voltage during "ON" stage climbed above 4.55 :-) |
| 01:32.57 | ShadowJK | 'ftd' gives insight into the voltages observed during charger on and charger off.. Also it's pretty amusing looking at a dc amp needle waving back and forth between .8A and 0A :-) |
| 01:33.12 | RiD | boom doom bye |
| 01:33.52 | ShadowJK | My N800 backlight varies in brightness too when the charger is switched on and off... on my N810 it doesn't |
| 01:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | vlol |
| 01:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL* |
| 01:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: 100n vs 10µ is basically irrelevant on output |
| 01:37.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) battery is supposed to have an own 100µF somewhere, for modem. b) as long as the C can take one choke power quantum, it's just fine |
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| 01:40.11 | ShadowJK | My "server" pc has 3 different kind of USB ports. Back panel ones attached to motherboard, front panel ones in a 3.5" drive bay, and ports attached to a PCI backplate. The ones on the PCI backplate have extra capacitors on the power rails. The front usb port wont charge N900, at any current limit configured into bq24150, except when battery is near full. The PCI plate ports will charge N900 even when N900 battery is low, and N900 charger configured to no |
| 01:40.17 | ShadowJK | limit... |
| 01:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | the more interesting/relevant question regarding choke saturations is operation mode of stepdown converter: is it freq-regulated, or pulse pause regulated (waiting with next constant length charging step for a variable time, possibly quantisized), or will it actually do PWM to the amount/duration of energy stored to choke in one cycle? |
| 01:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | only the last mode is prone to resulting in possible saturation |
| 01:44.34 | ShadowJK | knows nothing of step-down converters, but vaguely recalls something like pulse pause mentioned in datasheet |
| 01:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, leaving out whole steps |
| 01:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | cycles |
| 01:44.59 | ShadowJK | it had a funny acronym |
| 01:45.03 | ShadowJK | something with p and q in it? |
| 01:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | pqm? |
| 01:45.26 | ShadowJK | I probably remember wrong and now you're thinking "wtf" and have to go read the datasheet |
| 01:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | pulse quantity modulation? |
| 01:45.33 | ShadowJK | perhaps |
| 01:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually called pulse pause modulation iirc |
| 01:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, I won't try to find the datasheet on this mess in a bottle of this new laptop |
| 01:48.36 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 01:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | my whole old laptop is a dir in my ~ |
| 01:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I needed to dig that DS out there |
| 01:49.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | since no bookmarks in new clean browser |
| 01:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: (old chargers tagged "4,8V" or whatever) they got some defined Z, so that's why it's somewhat not completely gaga to use them directly to charge a LiIon |
| 01:55.02 | ShadowJK | there's actually a spec for how to be compatible with them |
| 01:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I had a damn hard time to charge my 6210 from a stabilized universal PSU as on 4.5V it wasn't really charging, and at 6V it eventually blew chunks on too low battery charging |
| 01:56.57 | ShadowJK | I remembered name of document, weirdly after elopacalypse nokia.com isn't first hit anymore, but here it is: http://www.herjulf.se/solar/charge-station/Nokia_2-mm_DC_Charging_Interface_Specification_v1_2_en.pdf |
| 01:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | the funny bit: this 1Hz PWM charger concept with ancient BME kept my LiIon battery fresh for ~7 years of permanent usage and daily charging |
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| 01:59.49 | ShadowJK | a low rate charger would be sufficient :) |
| 01:59.55 | ShadowJK | or low voltage (<5V) |
| 02:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
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| 02:06.46 | ShadowJK | Or then just occasionally Nokia sources good quality batteries |
| 02:07.16 | ShadowJK | It's weird that the Mugen battery in my N800 has outlasted 2 original Nokia batteries in N810 |
| 02:07.31 | ShadowJK | (original-formfactor mugen) |
| 02:07.59 | ShadowJK | You'd think Nokia would source better quality than random asian manufacturers :/ |
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| 11:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: toxic? me? look at #harnattan to learn what's toxic |
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| 11:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the worst thing: since he's pretending to know everything and he actually knows just a bit about aegis and kde, I'm afraid several users would conceive kickbanning him to me "toxic" as well, while the other half of users placed him on their /ignore and thus the whole channel sounds silly |
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| 11:16.08 | Stskeeps | naah |
| 11:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/to me/to be/ |
| 11:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, infobot does cross-channel s/// |
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| 11:49.31 | Raimu | https://mysocialcloud.com/#!/security -- "one of the things that makes the site so secure is that we do not disclose the exact encryption practices." |
| 11:49.41 | Raimu | Yes, we all know SbO works so well. ;p |
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| 12:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Raimu: the WTF of the weekend? |
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| 12:35.21 | Raimu | "The other sites get hacked because they tell the evil hackers what encryption they use, so we don't! This is a surefire security method!" |
| 12:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no verbatim quote, I hope |
| 12:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | or I'll die in ROTFL |
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| 12:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's take bets how long til "evil hackers" feel like "I'll teach you about SbO" |
| 12:40.07 | Raimu | Not too long. |
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| 17:05.44 | esaym153 | is there any fix for the bug in bme in the n810 that causes the device to reboot when being charged other than buying a new battery? |
| 17:06.05 | Stskeeps | not any public one :/ |
| 17:06.34 | esaym153 | Stskeeps: so I can't get it? |
| 17:06.51 | Stskeeps | i think the maemo organisation is pretty much gone by now in nokia |
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| 17:08.30 | esaym153 | so no fix? |
| 17:08.34 | Stskeeps | AFAIK |
| 17:08.40 | esaym153 | rats |
| 17:13.07 | dfgfdg | ~seen freemangordon |
| 17:13.13 | infobot | freemangordon <freemangor@130-204-50-168.2074221835.ddns.cablebg.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5d 9h 43m 50s ago, saying: 'kerio: no KP51 for you :P'. |
| 17:13.56 | kerio | dammit, stop pinging me when looking for fmg :c |
| 17:14.07 | Sicelo | :P |
| 17:14.23 | Sicelo | it means you talk to the wrong people |
| 17:14.44 | Sicelo | :D |
| 17:16.46 | kerio | ~seen merlin1991 |
| 17:16.48 | infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 5h 21m 42s, last said: 'go with your browser to paste.dyndns.org, then you'll know why xD'. |
| 17:16.52 | rzr | esaym153, i am affected by this trouble |
| 17:16.59 | kerio | 5 long hours |
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| 17:31.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | rzr: esaym153: not only you |
| 17:32.13 | esaym153 | rzr: a new battery supposedly does fix it though right? (because I just bought a new one...) |
| 17:32.27 | Stskeeps | afaik |
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| 17:32.38 | esaym153 | My current battery, though 3 years old, still get 10 days of standy time |
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| 17:38.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't confirm close relation of reboots and battery age |
| 17:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks it's genuine state of fubar in bme |
| 17:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | bme (or whatever they called it back when) worked kinda fine in y2000 nokia featurephones like 6210 |
| 17:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and gave me a proper 7 years of almost-like-new lifetime with my 6210's battery |
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| 17:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | despite 24/7/365 usage, and daily charging |
| 17:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but well, the 6210 had not exactly a multitasking OS |
| 17:43.20 | jacekowski | well, thing is if bme worked back then |
| 17:43.23 | jacekowski | then it should work now |
| 17:43.30 | jacekowski | i mean, things didn't change that much |
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| 17:43.36 | rzr | reflashing it does not help ? |
| 17:43.38 | jacekowski | multitasking os doesn't matter that much |
| 17:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | only if they didn't manage to fsck it up |
| 17:43.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I think they evidently did |
| 17:44.09 | jacekowski | well, i've had a look at n900 bme |
| 17:44.21 | jacekowski | and if i had n900 i could disable reboot code |
| 17:44.26 | jacekowski | as in, shutdown |
| 17:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're talking N810 here though |
| 17:44.58 | Sicelo | you mean to say battery management software acroos maemo & s40 has the same base? |
| 17:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's been a completely different kind of critter |
| 17:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: nobody but Stskeeps could tell for sure, but yes I'd suppose to find legacy cruft from 1998 in N900 BME |
| 17:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw 6210 been s40? I don't think so |
| 17:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: Stskeeps once told me looking at bme source blinds you and makes your eyes bleed, and I tend to 100% believe in this |
| 17:48.16 | MohammadAG | Anyone good at python? |
| 17:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-ÜP |
| 17:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but not me |
| 17:48.51 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/MKuu30qm |
| 17:49.09 | MohammadAG | It should draw bubbles, upon clicking them they'll be removed, but it doesn't wok |
| 17:49.14 | MohammadAG | I'm helping out a friend |
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| 17:53.05 | Sicelo | ah, 6210 was the symbian one marketed as a navigator, i think :\ |
| 17:53.23 | jacekowski | Sicelo: across symbian and all rap* based phones |
| 17:53.27 | jacekowski | Sicelo: so s60 for sure |
| 17:53.32 | jacekowski | Sicelo: and probably s40 |
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| 17:53.51 | Sicelo | interesting stuff |
| 17:54.20 | jacekowski | another thing is, in n900 you've got rapuyama |
| 17:54.29 | jacekowski | chip that is used just as a modem and gps interface on n900 |
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| 17:54.37 | jacekowski | on s40 it runs whole phone |
| 17:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6210 |
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| 17:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I said "7 years of battery life, with my y2000 6210" |
| 17:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsckng 6210 navigator appeared 2008 |
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| 18:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh if my 6210 ever rebooted due to "bme" going mad, I hardly would've noticed |
| 18:17.00 | rzr | esaym153, how do u check your battery condition ? |
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| 18:52.52 | niloy | hi |
| 18:56.14 | esaym153 | rzr: I have never checked the battery condition |
| 18:56.54 | niloy | I am getting this error while trying to complie nodejs |
| 18:56.55 | rzr | btw i am not using my n810 anymore/// |
| 18:56.55 | niloy | Node.js configure error: No acceptable C compiler found! |
| 18:56.56 | niloy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.56 | niloy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.56 | niloy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.03 | esaym153 | rzr: want to sell your n810? |
| 19:34.56 | rzr | i dont think so |
| 19:35.07 | rzr | i will trade for a n900 ;) |
| 19:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually seen a used N810 for sale in a 2nd-hand shop some weeks ago. 4 years ago I paid as much for a new one |
| 19:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I could get 2 used N900 for the same price |
| 19:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | XP |
| 19:38.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | rzr: so beter wait another year, then buy Nokia for what you get for your N810 then |
| 19:39.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | (dang, I got an *unused* 'new' N810 here - spare for my still perfectly working one I used til I got the N900) |
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| 20:12.53 | esaym153 | the n9 looks pretty cool |
| 20:13.13 | rzr | indeed |
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| 20:17.19 | dump_01 | hi ppl! i have a problem with my maemo@cssu@n900. It have very poor IO performance both internal storage and microsd. When i copy something (a directory with some files ~200mb) - i have no chances to success - copying starts normal (about 500kb/s), but falling down and after 1 or 2 minutes my device is stop responding |
| 20:18.35 | dump_01 | i just unable to copy anything from storage to card or from network to card |
| 20:18.47 | ShadowJK | try: echo 4096 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests ; echo 4096 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests |
| 20:18.50 | ShadowJK | before copying |
| 20:19.46 | dump_01 | ShadowJK: should i do it on device start? |
| 20:20.09 | joga | just yesterday I stumbled upon that when I tried to dd some stuff and it rebooted, had it happen before a couple of times with easy debian install for example, but just now found a fix (I guess, haven't tried it again) |
| 20:21.36 | joga | would it be a sane default setting? I noticed some tmo post told to disable swappolube but does it interfere? |
| 20:21.47 | ShadowJK | dump_01, doesn't matter |
| 20:22.23 | dump_01 | expirience with dd: first dd 10mb - ok with good speed, second dd 10mb - much slower, 3-d - fail, need to ctrl-c but n900 just hangs for a 5 or more minutes.. |
| 20:23.00 | joga | how about after echoing that? |
| 20:23.57 | ShadowJK | the above suggestion should be done before you start any copying |
| 20:24.53 | dump_01 | joga: i will try it. right now my n900 is not responding while trying to copy from nfs to microsd.. |
| 20:25.58 | joga | also if you have problems like rebooting while experimenting with that, maybe good to do fsck to the card like umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 && fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 (maybe fsck a couple of times) and then mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 again |
| 20:26.26 | joga | at least I got some errors there yesterday after botching it up ;p |
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| 20:29.58 | dump_01 | thanks ppl, now device rebooted and i will try |
| 20:32.51 | dump_01 | added channel to favorites |
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| 20:35.30 | joga | is there a vnc server available for n900 besides x11vnc? |
| 20:35.41 | joga | so that I could run a virtual x screen on it? |
| 20:37.42 | joga | or xnest, maybe? |
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| 20:41.12 | Sicelo | not in the public repos |
| 20:42.40 | Macer | jacekowski: installing chromium :-P |
| 20:42.54 | jacekowski | so? |
| 20:43.19 | Macer | oh. thought it was your repo |
| 20:43.28 | jacekowski | it is |
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| 20:46.04 | Macer | jacekowski: how can i copy urls? long touching doesnt work |
| 20:46.27 | jacekowski | ctrl+c |
| 20:48.07 | Macer | how do i exit full screen? |
| 20:48.15 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.33 | joga | Sicelo I'm having a hard time finding it, do you know where such a repo could be? |
| 20:48.45 | Sicelo | nope. no idea |
| 20:48.52 | joga | oh, k |
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| 20:49.30 | Sicelo | you might have to compile your own or ask someone to do it for you |
| 20:49.58 | robbiethe1st | Got a question guys: So, with the N900, the cellmodem driver must match the cellmodem firmware. How can I tell what version the driver side is? |
| 20:50.19 | robbiethe1st | My 'about product' simply says <unknown> |
| 20:50.49 | joga | Sicelo or maybe in easy debian..hmm |
| 20:51.10 | joga | I suspect my image of it is hosed tho, haven't tried it for a while |
| 20:51.25 | Sicelo | robbiethe1st: wtf! voodoo? |
| 20:51.39 | robbiethe1st | Eh, it happens when you hack it a bit too much... |
| 20:51.44 | Sicelo | i could have sworn my "About Product" had something there before |
| 20:52.01 | Sicelo | yeah. it had. i'm sure |
| 20:52.07 | robbiethe1st | heh |
| 20:52.31 | Sicelo | dafuq. :\ |
| 20:53.30 | joga | Sicelo heh yeah I can at least install the server in debbie :) |
| 20:53.38 | Sicelo | kewl. :) |
| 20:53.56 | joga | I was thinking of using it with an adapter and a usb nic for network debugging at work |
| 20:54.20 | joga | so I don't need to carry a laptop if I just need to use wireshark occasionally ;p |
| 20:54.36 | Sicelo | robbiethe1st: since it's your voodoo that did this, please report back when you get some solution |
| 20:54.39 | Sicelo | :P |
| 20:55.33 | robbiethe1st | heh |
| 20:56.28 | Sicelo | joga: i'm basically a noob at these things .. what is it you want to do? |
| 20:57.45 | joga | Sicelo well, the vnc is mostly to try out if it's more reasonable to run heavy gui programs in it so that I get a scrollable display from a viewer and the program can run so that it's toolbars and elements aren't all squashed together into the tiny screen |
| 20:58.02 | Sicelo | robbiethe1st: mine possibly got borked yesterday while playing with u-boot, which always crashes my device. i still wonder how other people are able to use it |
| 20:59.00 | joga | but what would be nice is that if I can run wireshark so it's manageable on the screen, I can just plug in the ethernet cable to a usb nic, which is plugged to n900 via an adapter and wireshark can analyze the traffic for me |
| 20:59.07 | dump_01 | ShadowJK: runs copying smooth for 4 mins - almost success! |
| 20:59.45 | joga | Sicelo the stuff I mostly need it for is debugging some network cameras |
| 21:00.40 | Sicelo | the hildonized wireshark not good enough for your use? |
| 21:01.14 | Sicelo | admits it's not really hildonized, lol |
| 21:01.50 | joga | I've installed it in both easydebian and via app manager, but I wouldn't say it's very optimized still for such a small screen, and it's a hard task anyway |
| 21:02.28 | joga | maybe easier to fit it by customizing its own interface |
| 21:03.22 | joga | but I wouldn't need much and could just save the filters I need etc so interaction would be fairly minimal |
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| 21:06.02 | joga | ah, works :) |
| 21:06.42 | joga | now I can use the vnc viewer in hildon to view lxde in easy debian, and set the resolution in vncserver |
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| 21:10.06 | joga | if only I could find my usb nic now.. |
| 21:10.30 | joga | but I've tested it earlier and it worked fine, it's a nintendo wii ethernet adapter which is just some Asix usb nic |
| 21:11.07 | robbiethe1st | Uh, why use VNC |
| 21:11.08 | Sicelo | which package did you install in easydeb? |
| 21:11.18 | robbiethe1st | Why not just use X? |
| 21:11.37 | joga | well, vnc can be seen from a bigger screen too, for one :) |
| 21:11.46 | robbiethe1st | ...Or just use X. |
| 21:11.50 | joga | sure |
| 21:11.52 | robbiethe1st | Over the network |
| 21:12.52 | joga | but I'm trying to make it so that I just need the n900 and the nic, how would you use X here? |
| 21:13.23 | joga | I'd like to have a "big screen" like 1280x1024 for example that I could scroll |
| 21:13.25 | robbiethe1st | If you've got X on the other side, you can simply forward X(either specific applications or the entire screen) |
| 21:13.36 | joga | so that the interfaces in programs like wireshark wouldn't be so hard to use |
| 21:14.06 | joga | yeah but here's no other side necessarily, and I'm plugging the cable into n900, so wireshark needs to run there |
| 21:14.45 | robbiethe1st | Oh, you're just trying for a bigger virtual screen on the N900? |
| 21:14.49 | joga | yeah |
| 21:15.20 | joga | actually it would be sort of awesome to replace the individual desktops with a freely scrollable big one |
| 21:16.01 | robbiethe1st | http://www.sammynetbook.com/forum/threads/8917-Oversize-screen-resolution-and-screen-scrolling-in-Linux-is-it-possible |
| 21:16.11 | robbiethe1st | would be something to look at, at least for ED |
| 21:16.48 | joga | I wouldn't know if I can configure n900 like that, I've familiar with xorg config on the matter though |
| 21:16.52 | joga | *I'm |
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| 21:17.44 | joga | but vnc works fine for this :) |
| 21:17.59 | joga | and doesn't require much tweaking fortunately |
| 21:20.10 | robbiethe1st | X on the N900 is the same as X anywhere else. Just make a backup with BackupMenu so if things stop working you can restore, and you're good. |
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| 21:22.08 | joga | uh, I don't know if I want to mess with those on my phone ;) |
| 21:22.25 | joga | has someone tried setting such a virtual desktop there? |
| 21:23.46 | Sicelo | which package did you install in easydeb? |
| 21:23.58 | joga | Sicelo tightvncserver (and wireshark) |
| 21:24.30 | joga | then ran debbie bash and there vncserver -geometry 1024x768 |
| 21:24.49 | Sicelo | kewl. thanks :P |
| 21:24.55 | joga | then in maemo vnc server and connect to localhost:1 |
| 21:25.01 | joga | *vnc viewer |
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| 21:28.45 | joga | now, ideally I guess I could in (easydeb) ~/.vnc/xstartup script set it to launch wireshark full screen ;) |
| 21:29.10 | joga | though sometimes it's useful to be able to get a terminal, heh, maybe just some minimal wm |
| 21:34.23 | kerio | i thought the IO problems were solved with PR1.3 :( |
| 21:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: funny. I suggested oversize virtual desktop just yesterday |
| 21:39.12 | joga | and I wanted it today ;) |
| 21:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | though for PC with xephyr which doesn't fit on the 1024*768 screen |
| 21:40.11 | joga | heh I made the startup script use wireshark instead of Xsession but apparently the gtk theme is a bit uglier now |
| 21:40.36 | joga | but put width about 800 so I don't need to side scroll the vnc desktop, seems to be pretty ok |
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| 21:49.05 | kerio | robbiethe1st! |
| 21:49.08 | kerio | robbiethe1st: i love you! |
| 21:49.26 | kerio | but please find a way to backup and restore kernels |
| 21:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 21:51.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: actually we could think about putting mtd_debug / nand* to purpose |
| 21:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | to backup and restore kernel partition |
| 21:51.54 | kerio | c: |
| 21:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# nanddump --help |
| 21:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# nandwrite --help |
| 21:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] |
| 21:56.58 | joga | could shift+bluearrow be used as a modified key? |
| 21:57.02 | joga | *modifier |
| 21:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:57.26 | joga | what's it called? I was thinking of a metakey for some wm in easydebian |
| 21:57.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | blue is alt iirc |
| 21:58.04 | joga | oh, hmm.. |
| 21:58.42 | joga | so I could press Ctrl+Alt? |
| 21:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl+alt has a special meanting, it invokes symbol vkbd |
| 21:59.26 | joga | it doesn't matter which way it's done? |
| 21:59.55 | joga | or uh, is that the same as alt+ctrl? |
| 22:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you got a device to test it |
| 22:00.11 | joga | true, it doesn't |
| 22:01.45 | joga | hehe, I started x-terminal-emulator as wm and it's sideways :) |
| 22:04.09 | joga | oh but I'm such a moron, vnc viewer can send those keys for me |
| 22:04.47 | joga | though a hardware key would be nice of course, I was just checking if there was some wm that would be convenient to use with its keyboard |
| 22:08.30 | joga | actually ratpoison's ctrl-t is quite ok |
| 22:09.07 | joga | oh, the sideways terminal is probably because the height of the display is bigger than width |
| 22:13.43 | joga | actually ratpoison seems to work surprisingly well with the keyboard :) |
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| 22:49.24 | joga | this version of wireshark seems to have maybe some bug with the loading screen progress bar and window size, it gets stuck but resizing the frame seems to have helped it continue |
| 22:49.45 | joga | just a guess though, didn't happen in lxde |
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| 22:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd actually think wireshark is simply too rich a GUI to be useful on a screen size of N900 |
| 22:59.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui that's where tshark came from |
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