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| 07:37.21 | kgu | Hi. Do any of you guys, know how to test dont-fragment bit on the ping command in maemo? |
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| 07:45.21 | merlin1991 | kgu: ping in maemo is busybox ping, so quite possible you'll miss the option todo that |
| 07:46.08 | flux | kgu, one option would be to use iptables to manipulate icmp packets so that they have the flag on |
| 07:46.14 | kgu | can I install another ping? |
| 07:46.16 | flux | no, I don't have the command off-hand :) |
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| 07:47.09 | flux | there appears to be iputils-ping available, perhaps it can do it |
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| 07:53.44 | kgu | iputils-ping did the job, thx! |
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| 08:20.27 | LaoLang_cool | Hi, need a recommended app for alarm/timer/stopwatch |
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| 08:21.53 | StyXman | LaoLang_cool: there is an alarm in the clock app, works fine (at least for me) |
| 08:22.42 | LaoLang_cool | StyXman, yes, but it's only for alarm, looking for timer/stopwatch |
| 08:26.19 | Lava_Croft | LaoLang_cool: there's a timerginny app orso |
| 08:26.40 | Lava_Croft | good app for what you seek |
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| 08:30.22 | LaoLang_cool | Lava_Croft, thanks, will try it |
| 08:30.43 | LaoLang_cool | oh, I can't find it at http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=timerginny&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same |
| 08:31.23 | LaoLang_cool | oh, find it, timerjinni ;p |
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| 08:41.49 | Lava_Croft | yeah, was about to type the correct name |
| 08:41.53 | Lava_Croft | :P |
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| 08:48.41 | Pali | merlin1991, are you here? |
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| 08:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: merlin1991 is holiday@greece |
| 08:54.07 | Pali | ok |
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| 09:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen merlin1991 |
| 09:24.16 | infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 38m 55s, last said: 'kgu: ping in maemo is busybox ping, so quite possible you'll miss the option todo that '. |
| 09:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 09:26.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that means either that even in Greece there are internet cafes or hotspots, or that he's already back |
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| 09:38.16 | vi_ | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 10:23.43 | Asoup | Hey, I was wondering that is there a way to connect to facebook as mobile, with n900? |
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| 10:24.10 | Asoup | I dont want to be -available- 24/7 |
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| 10:33.37 | chem|st | Asoup: ? |
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| 10:34.08 | chem|st | Asoup: you mean shown as mobile and not -available-? |
| 10:34.08 | Asoup | A picture is worth more than 1000 words |
| 10:34.11 | Asoup | http://cdn1.iconfinder.com/data/icons/facebook/mobileicon.png |
| 10:34.20 | Asoup | chem|st yes. |
| 10:35.08 | chem|st | that is on facebooks side to handle, the mobileapp in facebook vanished some time ago |
| 10:35.28 | Asoup | Thought so.. |
| 10:35.35 | chem|st | so the maemo app is no more recognized as mobile app |
| 10:35.57 | Asoup | any news if its going to be fixed or not? |
| 10:36.48 | chem|st | fixed... I doubt it |
| 10:37.28 | Asoup | Meh, well thanks anyway :) |
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| 10:38.36 | chem|st | Asoup: are you using the built in facebook msgr stuff? |
| 10:38.51 | Asoup | yes + the widget |
| 10:39.07 | Asoup | tried Fmobi but I hated it. |
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| 10:39.34 | Asoup | couldn't minimize the fmobi and the relogging is pain in the ass |
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| 10:39.51 | chem|st | ctrl backspace? |
| 10:40.12 | Asoup | oh ye, but doesnt fix the relogging |
| 10:40.32 | Asoup | I wan't to be connected to FB in one or two clicks |
| 10:40.36 | Asoup | not 35 |
| 10:40.51 | chem|st | it is actually so unimportant what state you show at facebook that whoever can be bothered I console... |
| 10:41.16 | Asoup | Well last night I tried leaving my fbook on my n900 |
| 10:41.21 | Asoup | 3 friends had told me to go sleep. |
| 10:41.27 | Asoup | so.. no. |
| 10:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well :-x |
| 10:42.14 | chem|st | those problems I would like to trade for mine! |
| 10:42.30 | Asoup | 5 friends telling you to go sleep? |
| 10:42.35 | Asoup | :p |
| 10:43.06 | chem|st | people need to learn that we left the industrial era and joined the network/internet era... |
| 10:43.40 | chem|st | even my grandma made this step |
| 10:43.58 | Asoup | Wheres the problem? |
| 10:44.19 | chem|st | and I love to compare people with my grandma cause if even she is able to get it why should a 40year old not? |
| 10:45.33 | chem|st | Asoup: you complain about people telling you to go to sleep cause you left your phone logged in... |
| 10:46.11 | chem|st | "12:45 Irssi uptime: 71d 23h 15m 35s" is how long I am logged in... |
| 10:46.24 | Asoup | IRSSI, so different thing |
| 10:46.37 | Asoup | the users of fbook dont understand the uptime! |
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| 10:46.52 | chem|st | Asoup: nope in the next window is jabber and stuff, means also fb |
| 10:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't understand FB users |
| 10:47.08 | Asoup | thats why I want the Mobile icon to show that I am away, but recieving messages! |
| 10:47.41 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: reminds me of getting sane people to use jabber and close my account! |
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| 10:48.04 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: and pimp my website |
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| 10:49.53 | Asoup | ps. How accomplished is the android for n900? |
| 10:50.51 | chem|st | Asoup: tough and the pan is warm |
| 10:51.23 | chem|st | if you want android buy an android... |
| 10:51.25 | Asoup | Like melting butter? |
| 10:51.29 | Asoup | yeah thought so. |
| 10:51.31 | Asoup | >=( |
| 10:51.41 | Asoup | Thats maybe the biggest problem I have with n900 |
| 10:51.47 | Asoup | That i cant be "away" on fbook |
| 10:51.59 | chem|st | ~facepalm |
| 10:51.59 | infobot | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 10:52.04 | Asoup | thanks. |
| 10:52.09 | Asoup | preciate it. |
| 10:52.13 | chem|st | ;) |
| 10:52.47 | chem|st | my biggest problem with n900s is "where to get cheap working n900s from" |
| 10:54.13 | Asoup | got for 100€ |
| 10:54.15 | Asoup | :3 |
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| 10:57.23 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: new n900s on amazon-mp 265eur |
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| 10:59.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I'm broke atm |
| 11:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but thanks |
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| 11:01.59 | vi_ | chem|st: Holy shit chemist. 71d?? Get some sleep man. |
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| 11:13.07 | chem|st | vi_: never! |
| 11:13.17 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: me too :/ |
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| 11:26.57 | dhbiker | hm |
| 11:27.08 | dhbiker | cleven dosent want to set wlan to monitor mode |
| 11:27.10 | dhbiker | wth |
| 11:27.17 | dhbiker | doesnt* |
| 11:27.25 | psycho_oreos | what's wrong with doing it all by hand? |
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| 11:27.41 | dhbiker | the aircrack thing ? |
| 11:27.55 | psycho_oreos | well yeah aircrack-ng suite via X terminal |
| 11:28.26 | dhbiker | gui is quicker :P |
| 11:28.44 | psycho_oreos | oh yeah.. if you're lazy and/or multitasking :p |
| 11:29.00 | dhbiker | the first one.. |
| 11:29.01 | dhbiker | lazy |
| 11:29.03 | dhbiker | :P |
| 11:29.26 | psycho_oreos | imagines someone wardriving with N900 in one hand and the other hand on steering wheel lol |
| 11:29.39 | dhbiker | xD |
| 11:30.13 | psycho_oreos | and no.. reality-wise that'll be a ticket if you do get caught fiddling with `phone' whilst driving.. |
| 11:31.00 | dhbiker | indeed |
| 11:31.01 | dhbiker | bad idea |
| 11:31.04 | dhbiker | wjile driving |
| 11:31.08 | dhbiker | while* |
| 11:31.10 | psycho_oreos | I'd do it by hand to see if you can actually set it to monitor mode |
| 11:31.44 | dhbiker | it goe |
| 11:31.44 | dhbiker | s |
| 11:31.49 | dhbiker | but not in cleven |
| 11:31.57 | psycho_oreos | not for some people who either: 1) like to multi-task, 2) can't stop fiddling with other things, 3) needs to `twit' real quick... |
| 11:31.59 | dhbiker | i also see this |
| 11:32.27 | dhbiker | chmod: /etc/sudoers.d/cleven.sudoers: No such file or directory |
| 11:32.36 | dhbiker | i tried to reinstall it |
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| 11:33.26 | psycho_oreos | hmm.. I'm sure its a few lines (probably only one if anything..) in sudoers file |
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| 11:34.00 | psycho_oreos | if you tried reinstalling and there's no such file within the package then I suppose it was never included in the first place |
| 11:36.57 | dhbiker | yeah but why does it say this then |
| 11:36.58 | dhbiker | x |
| 11:37.00 | dhbiker | XD |
| 11:37.22 | psycho_oreos | say what exactly? |
| 11:37.44 | dhbiker | no such file or directory |
| 11:38.01 | dhbiker | the other line is chown: /etc/sudoers.d/cleven.sudoers: No such file or directory |
| 11:38.10 | psycho_oreos | did you check to see if the package actually includes such file? |
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| 11:38.20 | dhbiker | not yet |
| 11:38.24 | dhbiker | i will now |
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| 11:41.07 | dhbiker | cleven experimental works |
| 11:41.13 | dhbiker | ill stick with this then :P |
| 11:41.56 | psycho_oreos | heh |
| 11:42.30 | dhbiker | yes i know i'm lazy :P |
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| 11:45.12 | psycho_oreos | well at least your problem is solved :p |
| 11:47.40 | dhbiker | true :P |
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| 11:51.53 | FIQ|n900 | oh |
| 11:52.18 | FIQ|n900 | apparently I hit the time when the dpkg GUI checks for updates |
| 11:52.29 | FIQ|n900 | long time no see, which is just good |
| 11:53.57 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 11:54.12 | FIQ|n900 | this warez-thread on tmo, why isn't it removed yet? :p |
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| 11:55.15 | vi_ | is there anyone here who likes psy? |
| 11:56.44 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 11:57.05 | FIQ|n900 | why can't I just pay via my phone bill through ovi... |
| 11:58.08 | psycho_oreos | ask nokia lol |
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| 12:05.20 | chem|st | FIQ|n900: warez thread? |
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| 12:09.56 | FIQ|n900 | chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81133 that one |
| 12:09.57 | FIQ|n900 | created over a half year ago lol |
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| 12:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, too late :-/ |
| 12:13.59 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: want the links? |
| 12:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure ;-) |
| 12:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki warez thread |
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| 12:26.33 | vi__ | does anyone know where maemo file manager gets its filetype icons from? |
| 12:27.00 | vi__ | Also, does anyone else type in the 'unknown' part of captcha just to fuk with the database? |
| 12:27.15 | vi__ | ^incorrectly |
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| 12:47.00 | jargon- | i keep reading on tmo that .mkv is supported on n900,but none of my mkv's are playable on my phone |
| 12:50.26 | StyXman | apt-get install mplayer? |
| 12:50.44 | kerio | "supported", he says |
| 12:51.54 | Lava_Croft | jargon-: your best bet is mplayer or kmplayer (which is just a gui for mplayer) |
| 12:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | .mkv is also just a container aiui, what codec actually is inside may differ vasty |
| 12:52.19 | Lava_Croft | yes |
| 12:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | not all codecs may be supported by N900 |
| 12:52.41 | kerio | hm, why doesn't mafw support it? |
| 12:52.55 | kerio | i mean, it's a pretty kickass container |
| 12:53.16 | Lava_Croft | it's also not that widely used |
| 12:53.37 | kerio | isn't mafw just a gstreamer wrapper, anyway? |
| 12:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mkv |
| 12:55.26 | jargon- | Lava_Croft: any idea what (k)mplayer battery consumption is like? |
| 12:55.35 | Lava_Croft | jargon-: nope :< |
| 12:55.42 | jargon- | DocScrutinizer05: how do i find out what the actual codec is? |
| 12:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea |
| 12:56.05 | kgu | yeah digsby going opensource :) Wonder if a port to maemo would be possible |
| 12:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | try handbrake, I heard that name several times now, I'd think a transcoder has also some diagnostic output |
| 12:56.52 | Lava_Croft | maybe just trying to play it in mplayer cli shows the actual codec |
| 12:56.57 | Lava_Croft | as mplayer loads the file and prints info |
| 12:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 12:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and, in case, might tell "no decoder for XY format" |
| 12:57.40 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 12:57.51 | Lava_Croft | iirc i had trouble with mkv files before |
| 12:57.54 | Lava_Croft | i just quit bothering with em |
| 12:59.06 | jargon- | Lava_Croft: i quit mkv too,but i've run out of compatible files to watch. down to just mkv's now :-( |
| 12:59.15 | Lava_Croft | :< |
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| 12:59.46 | Lava_Croft | i bet theres always some nerd who can cough up 1001 reasons why mkv is better than any other container |
| 12:59.55 | Lava_Croft | but for me, mkv is just related to 'trouble with playback' |
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| 13:03.29 | jargon- | ^ |
| 13:04.45 | jacekowski | Lava_Croft: that's mostly because of codecs inside |
| 13:04.50 | Lava_Croft | jacekowski: yeah |
| 13:04.59 | jacekowski | Lava_Croft: and codes commonly used with mkv are ussualy HD codecs |
| 13:05.05 | jacekowski | and not so many devices can deal with them |
| 13:05.13 | Lava_Croft | im an end user, i just want shit to work:) |
| 13:05.19 | jacekowski | well, get faster device |
| 13:05.31 | Lava_Croft | cheaper is just to avoid mkv files:) |
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| 13:07.37 | jacekowski | if you want HD |
| 13:07.43 | jacekowski | then you can't really avoid MKV |
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| 13:15.27 | Raimu | Even the LQ material is in Matroska nowadays. |
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| 13:37.06 | kerio | and rightfully so |
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| 14:45.41 | mhoye | Hello, everyone. I don't know if this is the right channel for this question, but I'm wondering if it's possible to run the Hildon interface on x86. |
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| 15:03.39 | jacekowski | no |
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| 15:10.42 | jargon- | what about subtitles? |
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| 15:47.52 | jargon- | nevermind,it's sorted. :-) |
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| 16:48.18 | Estel_ | Woody14619, could You, kindly, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84647&page=11 |
| 16:48.51 | Estel_ | ...I think that commenting and clearing it is quite important thing to do before today's Council's meeting :) |
| 16:49.49 | Estel_ | BTW, I would like to remind everyone interested, that Council meetings - open for participation of any interested Community member - as held every Friday on 18 UTC |
| 16:49.49 | Estel_ | = 1 hour and 10 minute from now |
| 16:50.58 | Estel_ | We are honored and pleased, everytime Community members show up to chat with us (or bash us a little ;) ) |
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| 17:02.04 | jean_brat | hi DocScrutinizer |
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| 17:04.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi jean_brat . sorry still busy at work |
| 17:05.06 | jean_brat | just 1 question |
| 17:05.07 | Sicelo | hi rcg |
| 17:05.26 | jean_brat | http://shopping.rediff.com/product/nokia-ca-157-cable--pen-drive-to-nokia-n8-mobile/10754911 |
| 17:05.40 | jean_brat | this can be used instead of F & F converter? |
| 17:05.52 | jean_brat | don know its N8 cable |
| 17:06.07 | Sicelo | jean_brat: yah, but, u will have to file the sides off |
| 17:06.12 | jean_brat | i need your Go, before i order this |
| 17:06.38 | jean_brat | micro usb pins at the bottom? |
| 17:06.48 | jean_brat | notches* you mean? |
| 17:07.19 | Sicelo | N8 cable is rectangular at device end, so you will need to file the 'top' sides to be trapezoid like your CA-101 |
| 17:07.56 | jean_brat | ohh ok |
| 17:08.24 | Sicelo | otherwise it is reported to work. i have the F-F adapater, and a diy Y-cable for those times i need external power |
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| 17:08.51 | rcg | Sicelo: hi |
| 17:12.38 | Sicelo | rcg: i assume you're in SA :) |
| 17:12.43 | Sicelo | mind a pm? |
| 17:14.23 | rcg | Sicelo: i am |
| 17:14.29 | rcg | sure, go on |
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| 17:15.25 | Sicelo | kewl. i'm in Swaziland |
| 17:16.06 | rcg | well, am leaving tomorrow.. was just here for a conference |
| 17:16.33 | rcg | "here" being south africa ;) |
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| 17:22.11 | kerio | jean_brat: i've been told it's really not worth filing a N8 adapter, considering that a F-F costs like two bucks |
| 17:22.25 | kerio | if you really want to buy something, buy the galaxy s2 adapter, the plug should fit in the n900 |
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| 17:24.22 | jean_brat | kerio, problem is i find this cable cheaper then F 2 F converter.. since its un conventional in my place. its available at a very premium price |
| 17:24.38 | jean_brat | these cables i will get for 3$ |
| 17:24.48 | kerio | jean_brat: the n900 microusb receptable is really something you don't want to dick around with, though |
| 17:24.55 | kerio | considering it's stupidly frail |
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| 17:25.58 | kerio | buy the samsung galaxy s2 one |
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| 17:28.05 | Sicelo | jean_brat: if you really can't source this, you could try the usb port's from otherboard trick. not the best soultion, but helps if you have no other option |
| 17:28.44 | jean_brat | hmm ok |
| 17:28.58 | kerio | http://shopping.rediff.com/product/usb-otg-adapter-pen-drive-cable-samsung-galaxy-s2/11126114 this one looks fine |
| 17:29.32 | kerio | 2.80€, sounds about right |
| 17:29.51 | kerio | oh, hey, what do you know |
| 17:29.52 | kerio | compatible with nokia n900/n810 |
| 17:31.00 | jean_brat | cool..i will order this one |
| 17:31.19 | jean_brat | so this is flawless according to you? |
| 17:31.55 | kerio | there's a world between "flawless" and that cable |
| 17:31.59 | kerio | but it should work, yes |
| 17:32.37 | jean_brat | lol ok |
| 17:34.06 | kerio | flawless would be a tiny adapter that includes a 1-port usb hub and has a port for the wallcharger that provides .5A to the usb port and .5A to the n900 |
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| 17:34.19 | kerio | or, hell |
| 17:34.22 | kerio | a 2-port usb hub |
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| 18:01.45 | jean_brat | regular micro_usb goes fine with N8 is it? without any filing? |
| 18:02.26 | Sicelo | yes |
| 18:02.54 | Sicelo | might not feel tight though |
| 18:03.02 | jean_brat | hmm ok |
| 18:03.25 | Sicelo | and OTG will probably not work |
| 18:04.05 | jean_brat | OTG ? |
| 18:04.59 | Sicelo | N8 equivalent of host-mode |
| 18:05.18 | kerio | OTG needs a grounded pin, i think |
| 18:05.50 | jean_brat | which is not present? |
| 18:06.13 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 18:06.20 | kerio | why do you want to use a n8 anyway? |
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| 18:22.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | jean_brat: (usb hostmode adapter) a nice DIY is: get a *cheap* usb 4 port hub, preferably with micro-usb upstream receptacle. Cut one of the downstrem ports (A-receptacle) datalines, cut upstream port, solder upstrem traces to chip to the isolated downstrem A port, |
| 18:23.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | mark that port as "to N900" |
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| 18:24.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | make sure VBUS (and GND ;D ) are common to all FOUR A receptacles and to hip trace to cut upstream port |
| 18:28.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | on such a mod-o-fied usb hub you can coonect one host (N900) and 3 peripherals, all with pretty standard A-M->(micro)B-M cables |
| 18:28.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise listen to other users here, seems they were mostly right |
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| 18:35.06 | jean_brat | http://www.ebay.in/itm/Belkin-USB-4-Port-Powered-Desktop-Hub-F4U040sa-3yrwty-/261063024655?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3cc891a00f |
| 18:35.09 | jean_brat | i have this |
| 18:35.38 | jean_brat | and i ordered s2 cable with female connector to micro usb cable |
| 18:36.11 | jean_brat | this hub has micro usb port on the right also a power adopter pin |
| 18:36.30 | jean_brat | and a cable micro usb male to USB male |
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| 18:37.38 | jean_brat | so what i have in mind is .. n900 -> s2 cable -> USB male cable to micro usb male-> to hub |
| 18:38.13 | jean_brat | and peripherals to other ports of the hub |
| 18:39.38 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, is this synthesise ? |
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| 18:47.06 | DocScrutinizer06 | sounds correct |
| 18:50.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 18:50.43 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: thanks |
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| 18:52.31 | jean_brat | cool.. Thanks DocScrutinizer |
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| 19:05.24 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, few days ago i told you about the n900 keypad issue? |
| 19:05.40 | jean_brat | some keys are not working on my keyboard? |
| 19:05.44 | DocScrutinizer06 | yep |
| 19:06.00 | DocScrutinizer06 | UCOL4 iirc |
| 19:06.16 | jean_brat | whats that? |
| 19:06.18 | DocScrutinizer06 | QROW4? |
| 19:06.55 | jean_brat | yes it narrow down to some random keys.. its got nothing to do with row 4 |
| 19:07.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | ooh, good |
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| 19:09.50 | DocScrutinizer06 | means it's not (necessarily) twl4030 GAIA chip |
| 19:10.27 | DocScrutinizer06 | could even be software then |
| 19:10.51 | DocScrutinizer06 | or actually domesheet |
| 19:11.51 | jean_brat | a y x c e c t k o: a: including row 4 elements |
| 19:14.07 | jean_brat | i actually try to shift the domesheet and try to press the failing buttons |
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| 19:14.17 | jean_brat | but still no go |
| 19:14.31 | jean_brat | so its not the domesheet i feel |
| 19:15.29 | jean_brat | btw.. i found a diagram on an arabic site |
| 19:15.32 | jean_brat | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-goH4sNWJUpA/Ts3YO3YfKUI/AAAAAAAABkk/VRt8ZSSQi6U/s1600/NOKIA+N900+KEYPAD.jpg |
| 19:15.56 | jean_brat | if you could explain where the GPIO stuff you were talking about? |
| 19:16.44 | jean_brat | btw what are the dotts on 1st row 3rd collumn.. about the key patch? |
| 19:17.21 | jean_brat | this has to be in contact with dome sheet? |
| 19:22.20 | jean_brat | am off now . plz leave your reply |
| 19:22.23 | jean_brat | good night |
| 19:22.34 | jean_brat | or have a good day |
| 19:22.48 | NIN101 | eh, there doesn't seem to be a non-pita way to make microb talk with socks proxies, right? |
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| 19:49.01 | kerio | NIN101: microb uses icd, doesn't it |
| 19:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | jean_brat: please check http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic |
| 19:49.51 | NIN101 | I am trying to set some gconf value now... |
| 19:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: how would you accomplish it for firefox? |
| 19:53.54 | NIN101 | going into the options, but there isn't anything. about:config isn't convinient. Some plugins I usually use don't work on microb. So... |
| 19:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm |
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| 20:07.49 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, on one of my newly aquired N900's "z" key is ove3r-reactive - i.e. it registers, on even slightiest touch |
| 20:08.13 | Estel_ | doesnt wait for actual clicking sound (which happens, if I press like normal) |
| 20:08.42 | Estel_ | I'm perfectly sure that it doesn't register "z" when I press ny other button, but due to being so over-reactive, it's very hard to write "a" without a glance touch on z |
| 20:08.54 | Estel_ | what could produce such outcome? |
| 20:09.23 | Estel_ | I'm sure it's nothing about chip. It just need touching with feather to register "z" pressed :P |
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| 20:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | worn domesheet |
| 20:11.57 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, ping |
| 20:12.02 | Estel_ | huh? |
| 20:12.11 | Estel_ | this white thing on PCB? |
| 20:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:12.45 | Estel_ | damn, I wonder if there are any chance to tear it and fix, or need to buy new overpriced one |
| 20:12.54 | Estel_ | and take PITA to replace it |
| 20:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed a PITA |
| 20:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | some user claimed to have *ironed* his crumpled domesheet and fixed it that way. Hard to believe |
| 20:13.41 | Estel_ | any instructables about replacing, anywhere? |
| 20:13.52 | Estel_ | lol, ironed?! |
| 20:14.09 | Estel_ | could as good try hammering |
| 20:14.10 | Woody14619 | Heat applied to it could in fact fix it. Much like one can use heat to pop a dent in a car pannel. |
| 20:14.36 | Woody14619 | Usually it's the transistion (cold/hot/cold) that causes it. Makes the metal want to return to it's cast form. |
| 20:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, it will need close inspection to decide what to do about it |
| 20:15.11 | Estel_ | i.e. cutting through white thing? Or taking it apart somehow? |
| 20:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's sticky-attached |
| 20:15.46 | Estel_ | sticky as in easidly-removable, or sticky as it cant-unstick-it-without-tearing-to-pieces? |
| 20:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably can peel off *carefully* |
| 20:16.10 | Estel_ | thanks godness z is close to beginning |
| 20:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | heat will help, as usual with sticky tape |
| 20:16.38 | Estel_ | well, nothing to lose when trying to heat via soldering iron, then stick ice to it :) |
| 20:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | moderate heat |
| 20:16.45 | Estel_ | after removing white thing |
| 20:16.59 | Estel_ | yea. If not repairable, domesheet is to be trashed anyway |
| 20:17.30 | Estel_ | never tried to remove anything deeper than this white sticker |
| 20:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I expect some conductive pad "inside" dome of 'z' came off |
| 20:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about actual build of domesheet "dark side" though, as I never removed any |
| 20:18.51 | Estel_ | hm, I'll investigate it carefuly, and report back |
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| 20:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't bend it too hard, it might deform |
| 20:19.24 | Estel_ | Despite intensive work on DIY CNC machine (it's working, just tuning it up for precision) I'm going to have *much* more free time now :) |
| 20:19.34 | Estel_ | and less grief :P |
| 20:19.51 | Estel_ | will try... |
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| 20:37.09 | user_ | why does swap fill up with shit, over time? |
| 20:38.59 | Estel_ | it doesn't, it just get fragmented |
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| 20:39.41 | ShadowJK | are you talking abotu device getting slower and sdlower |
| 20:39.49 | ShadowJK | or the "Swap" value in top and whatever never going down? |
| 20:41.05 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, nice to see You. Some time ago, You told me about experiments with higher charging current, and risk of overheating. OTOH, DocScrutinizer is sure, that charging chip have thermal security, so there is no way to fry anything by messing via software |
| 20:41.11 | Estel_ | any comments, etc? I would like to be sure before trying to mess myself ;) |
| 20:41.38 | ShadowJK | I didn't like the entire device getting warm |
| 20:42.27 | Estel_ | same here |
| 20:42.55 | Estel_ | the question is, when charging chip cut it off. If at 90 C degrees, it isn't fun anyway |
| 20:43.26 | Estel_ | it's related to work currently done on replacing BME (we're almost ready to throw it out for good :) ) |
| 20:43.41 | Estel_ | we as Community, no me as writing this :P |
| 20:44.10 | ShadowJK | Also the datasheet for the likely cell inside bl-5j specifies 0.7C charging current, or about 950mA, which is what bme does |
| 20:44.38 | Estel_ | thats not the problem in dual-cell setup. I'm worried about chip itself |
| 20:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the chip is rugged solid |
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| 20:46.21 | ShadowJK | After the cellmo vanishing syndromes I'm not that keen on generating lots of extra heat inside N900 :P |
| 20:50.36 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, swap-related question: |
| 20:51.06 | Estel_ | someone got idea of making two swaps on microSD, and instead ofg disabling and enabling them, he think about just enabling 2nd with higher priority... |
| 20:51.31 | Estel_ | Then, when reswap.stat report hitting swap size limit, just giving higher priority to first one... |
| 20:51.42 | Estel_ | well, it's going to still be fragmented, yep? |
| 20:52.00 | Estel_ | I'm thinking about implementing it in a way that doesn't introduce waiting time due to data being moved between swaps |
| 20:52.31 | Estel_ | maybe enabling 2nd with higher priority, adn disabling, then enabling again (with lower priority) 1st one, after some time (so it should have low amkmount of data on it) |
| 20:52.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: actually the heat generated by bq24150 should be not that much, regardless of charging current. It's a step down converter |
| 20:52.48 | Estel_ | so it's "refreshed" and ready for getting higfher priority, after 2nd swap hits limit... and so goes on? |
| 20:53.16 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK tried with just 1050 and temperature change was quite high, as compared to 950 (mA) |
| 20:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | most heat probably generated in cell itself |
| 20:53.19 | Estel_ | why so? |
| 20:54.10 | Estel_ | ok, I'm eager to try charging with 1200 mA on my dual-cell setting, it should be only 600 mA per cell. Of course, I'll monitor charging chip's reported temperature, closely |
| 20:54.18 | Estel_ | and cut it out on any sign of something bad happening |
| 20:54.22 | Woody14619 | Off for a bit... |
| 20:54.26 | Estel_ | what should I edit in charge.sh? |
| 20:54.56 | ShadowJK | Estel_, yeah I used to do that on N8x0, which has different swap algorithm of course, but also on N900 it seems that it doesn't cut off all writes from the lower priority swap completely, which is sort of equivalent to fragmentation |
| 20:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: no need to monitor temperature of chip, it shuts down when temp is too high |
| 20:55.45 | ShadowJK | Estel_, at one point I had a script which created 64 swapfiles, and constantly rotated them.. each swapfile being small, so swapoff on it being fast.. didn't really work that well |
| 20:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | 64 :-o |
| 20:58.25 | ShadowJK | might've been 128, I forget |
| 20:58.27 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 20:58.57 | Estel_ | thanks for answer, ShadowJK... BTW, those 64 or 128 swapfiles sounds nice :D |
| 20:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, scary |
| 20:59.40 | Estel_ | and for charge.sh? Any easy way to boost all current to 1.5 of their normal value, without destrying integrity and sensibility of charging script? |
| 21:00.22 | Estel_ | considering that I have 2 equal cells of BL-5J batteries, each current multiplied by 1,5 should be nothing it couldn't handle |
| 21:00.47 | ShadowJK | sec |
| 21:00.50 | Estel_ | and would help with charging time on 3000 mAh capacity a LOT. Of course, if temp doesn't go so high as reported by ShadowJK |
| 21:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's exactly one location to change value for current |
| 21:00.54 | Estel_ | thanks in advance |
| 21:01.17 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.17 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.17 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 21:01.42 | Estel_ | (and due to me being working on 6800 mAh battery for N900 - using 3400 mAh 18650 cells from phillips - it's getting more and more important, to experiment with higher charging currents :P) |
| 21:01.43 | ShadowJK | so the 0x42 is 4 2, 4 = 950, 2 = 150. For power kernel 0x40 is more appropriate. |
| 21:02.09 | ShadowJK | or 71 for full rate charge and double battery |
| 21:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | though ShadowJK's notation puzzles the living shit outa me ;-p |
| 21:02.37 | Estel_ | ough. Will try to parse that, slowly :P |
| 21:02.50 | ShadowJK | 0x71 for powerkernel, 1.2A rate |
| 21:03.26 | ShadowJK | there was a bug somewhere else in the script wrt pk too, i forget |
| 21:03.35 | Estel_ | noted, will compare it to charging script content, as I like to atleast understand what I'm changing ;) |
| 21:03.43 | Estel_ | hm |
| 21:04.00 | ShadowJK | oh the status codes are different |
| 21:04.16 | ShadowJK | I think the comparison for full should include a check for A0 |
| 21:04.19 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 21:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, bbl |
| 21:04.50 | Estel_ | erm, thanks |
| 21:05.09 | Estel_ | maybe tomorrow I'll bhe able to parse that with understanding ;) |
| 21:10.36 | ShadowJK | just find that line and change the 0x42 to 0x71 |
| 21:12.43 | Estel_ | sure, sure, I understand it to this part :) |
| 21:12.54 | Estel_ | but lets say I want, next day, to make it 1.3 |
| 21:13.09 | Estel_ | how the hell should I know how to calculate it for kernel-power 50 or stock kernel? |
| 21:13.18 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, ^^^ |
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| 21:14.16 | ShadowJK | the last number is the termination current. Because the stock kernel always uses 60-100mA power when connected to charger, I add 100mA to the termination current |
| 21:14.17 | Estel_ | and I'm even more confused on this fix for KP about full charged. Still, I've3 used it with kp all the time, and it seemed to charge and detect full well |
| 21:14.22 | Estel_ | Great piece of code, btw |
| 21:14.31 | Estel_ | ah |
| 21:14.32 | ShadowJK | Oh maybe that'sj ust a bug in my local version then |
| 21:14.37 | Estel_ | now it's clear |
| 21:15.08 | Estel_ | btw how do You check current used when connected to charger? |
| 21:15.14 | Estel_ | via measuring ammount given |
| 21:15.24 | Estel_ | and comparing it to reported by charging chip? |
| 21:15.51 | ShadowJK | Basically towards the end of charge, the charger chip will hold the voltage at 4.2V, while the current going into the battery drops. The last parameter specifies when to stop charging. About 50mA would be appropriate for a battery the size of BL-5J. However, with PR1.3 there's always 100mA draw from system, so making it 150mA instead means it'll effectively be 50mA for the battery |
| 21:16.16 | Estel_ | yes, I'm aware of this flaw of pr1.3 |
| 21:16.43 | Estel_ | but, with KP, my idle draw is about 4 mAh - 8 mAh (without charger connected) |
| 21:16.54 | Estel_ | so it should be safe to use 1 anyway? |
| 21:17.35 | Estel_ | the only way of measuring current used by device with charger connected - that I can think of - is measuring current going through charger cable, and comparing it to value reported on N900 solftware via i2cget, yes? |
| 21:17.41 | Estel_ | or is there more easy way? |
| 21:18.12 | Estel_ | and what about: |
| 21:18.16 | Estel_ | <ShadowJK> oh the status codes are different |
| 21:18.17 | ShadowJK | Current used by system when connected to charger is a very very rough estimate, based on parasitic/phantom resistance on the N900 circuit board. Basically there's about .12 ... .13 ohm resistance between charger chip and the battery, this causes a voltage drop. If we assumee that the charger chip is outputting either 950mA as ordered, or 4.2V as ordered (this assumes the input powersupply has enough power), we can from the voltage measured at the battery |
| 21:18.23 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.26 | Estel_ | <ShadowJK> I think the comparison for full should include a check for A0 |
| 21:18.39 | Estel_ | ? |
| 21:19.08 | ShadowJK | The system use estimate will be off when you change the charge current :) |
| 21:19.58 | ShadowJK | But also, as for the 80-100mA value, you could just connect charger and order bq24150 to not charge at all, and observe the extra powerdrain :P |
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| 21:20.50 | Estel_ | so i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x00; ,and check actual current? |
| 21:21.05 | ShadowJK | that's actually 550mA charge |
| 21:21.21 | ShadowJK | it's something with "charger enable" in it |
| 21:21.35 | Estel_ | I see |
| 21:21.44 | Estel_ | but, just when I though I understand it... |
| 21:21.55 | Estel_ | why the hell i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x00; is 550 charging? |
| 21:22.06 | Estel_ | I though I just need to change last value? |
| 21:22.06 | ShadowJK | Because that's the lowest rate of charge |
| 21:22.12 | Estel_ | ouh |
| 21:22.36 | Estel_ | so keeping it at 4,2 and lowering charge to as low as 100 mA is special case? |
| 21:23.24 | ShadowJK | 42 means, 4 = 950mA charge current. 2 = stop when charge current has dropped to 150mA |
| 21:23.31 | Estel_ | well, I'll check how it works with dual cell setup, thanks a lot for Your patience and explaining :) |
| 21:23.37 | Estel_ | yes |
| 21:24.11 | Estel_ | AIUI, i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x20; means 750 full charging current, and stop when it reaches 50 mA |
| 21:24.21 | Estel_ | yep? |
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| 21:24.39 | Estel_ | last question, probably - how to make more than 1250? |
| 21:24.56 | Estel_ | (=7 ) |
| 21:25.07 | Gh0sty | find a better job? :p |
| 21:25.11 | Gh0sty | hides |
| 21:25.32 | Estel_ | ough, I'm an idiot |
| 21:25.35 | Estel_ | 8 is 1350 |
| 21:25.38 | Estel_ | 9 is 1450 |
| 21:25.43 | Estel_ | etc, yep? |
| 21:26.17 | Estel_ | no, it isn't |
| 21:26.22 | Estel_ | need to use hex, probably? |
| 21:27.20 | ShadowJK | 1250 is maximum |
| 21:27.23 | Estel_ | sorry for dumb questions, never messed up with i2c calls from hand :) |
| 21:27.33 | Estel_ | absolute maximum, i.e. no way to override it? |
| 21:27.47 | Sicelo | there's actually a doc somewhere Estel_, that has the codes for the chip. ask ShadowJK :P |
| 21:27.58 | ShadowJK | btw, here's a typical charge: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/N900-BL5J-bq24150-std-4200-950-100.png the green is charge current, the red is voltage. |
| 21:28.23 | ShadowJK | The fuzziness in the graph was because my N900 was on IRC and sending this data over wifi at the same time, causing varying power consumption :) |
| 21:28.32 | Estel_ | Sicelo, ShadowJK, thanks |
| 21:28.42 | Estel_ | I see |
| 21:28.52 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, btw, where is this mentioned doc located?:P |
| 21:29.15 | ShadowJK | http://www.ti.com/product/bq24150 |
| 21:30.43 | Estel_ | thanks a lot |
| 21:30.44 | ShadowJK | On this graph you can see that current drops down to just under 50mA (must be a PR1.3 kernel), the battery is full and charge is stopped. As this is a bit of a shitty BL-5J, it doesn't take long before the voltage of the battery has dropped enough that the charger chip decides to do a top-up charge :) |
| 21:31.35 | ShadowJK | oh i guess that's more like 100mA and not-PR1.3.. |
| 21:45.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | and chip restarts at a cell voltage that according to experience is 70..80 percent |
| 21:45.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | charge |
| 21:47.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | but since PR13 kernel there's a powerhog eating 70mA as long as charger connected |
| 21:47.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | this powerhog called mentorgraphics musbcore |
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| 22:04.34 | ShadowJK | depends a bit on the battery |
| 22:04.47 | Raimu | What's the point of that? |
| 22:04.50 | ShadowJK | all my original bl-5j drop in voltage so fast that the charge is restarted within minutes |
| 22:05.04 | ShadowJK | this japod from dx is phenomenal though |
| 22:05.57 | ShadowJK | Raimu, iirc, the change is motivated in the changelog as bringing compatibility to more USB charging-only hubs, and other things that don't actually exist in real life |
| 22:06.03 | ShadowJK | :P |
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| 22:09.15 | Raimu | Fair enough. |
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| 22:12.53 | Estel_ | so how kernel-power fix it? By dropping this shit all-together? |
| 22:13.14 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:13.19 | SpeedEvil | Anyone used bluetooth to share the n900s wireless with an ICS tablet? - wondering for when my nexus arrives |
| 22:15.12 | kerio | SpeedEvil: ಠ_ಠ |
| 22:15.34 | kerio | SpeedEvil: why bluetooth and not wifi? |
| 22:15.43 | ShadowJK | power |
| 22:15.59 | SpeedEvil | Wifi hostmode sucks power like a thing that sucks power. |
| 22:16.22 | SpeedEvil | As in ~15%/hour or so of the battery - even without any 3g |
| 22:16.23 | kerio | it's not host mode, it still uses an ad-hoc network |
| 22:16.29 | kerio | er |
| 22:16.35 | kerio | yeah, ad-hoc |
| 22:16.50 | kerio | SpeedEvil: can the ICS tablet connect via bluetooth DUN? |
| 22:17.09 | kerio | because PAN support for maemo is kinda flaky, last i heard |
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| 22:18.51 | SpeedEvil | kerio: dunno :) |
| 22:19.09 | kerio | SpeedEvil: well try to find out (: |
| 22:19.19 | SpeedEvil | ad-hoc is worse. |
| 22:19.34 | SpeedEvil | Neither side of an ad-hoc connection can powersave at all. |
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| 22:27.33 | Estel_ | hey, N900's PAN works fine |
| 22:27.40 | Estel_ | there is script for this, somewhere in TMO |
| 22:27.52 | Estel_ | not to mention that I use DUN anyway :P |
| 22:28.03 | SpeedEvil | I was more meaning on the ICS - well - JB side. |
| 22:28.26 | Estel_ | I was refering to: |
| 22:28.28 | Estel_ | <kerio> because PAN support for maemo is kinda flaky, last i heard |
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| 22:28.41 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:28.53 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, while using N900's Qt MobileHotspot, client can powersave? |
| 22:29.01 | Estel_ | while only N900 can't? |
| 22:29.09 | SpeedEvil | If it's host |
| 22:29.22 | Estel_ | uring mobilehotspot, it is host ;) |
| 22:29.26 | SpeedEvil | if it's acting like an AP with powersaving - in principle the client can |
| 22:29.34 | Estel_ | coo, I though it's just auto-configuration of ad-hoc |
| 22:29.41 | SpeedEvil | i don't know if it doess support powersaving. |
| 22:29.52 | SpeedEvil | If it's acting like ad-hoc - neither side can |
| 22:30.08 | Estel_ | ell, if it could, N900 would powersave too, I think |
| 22:30.35 | SpeedEvil | AP side can't really powersave at all. |
| 22:30.42 | ShadowJK | assumed it was adhoc |
| 22:30.43 | Estel_ | ell, considering that N900's wireless host support wep only, it sounds kinda ad-hoc'ish |
| 22:30.46 | SpeedEvil | It can just support clients powersaving. |
| 22:32.01 | Estel_ | robably, easy to check - if client see it as AP or Ad-hoc. Or is it obfuscated? |
| 22:32.01 | Estel_ | or obscufated |
| 22:32.01 | Estel_ | or whatever |
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| 22:42.15 | NIN101 | so seems microb has some hardcoded funny stuff which resets network.proxy.type to 0 on startup (thus disabling any proxies first), no matter what prefs.js /usr/lib/microb-engine stuff etc. says. Cool. Thx nokia. |
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| 22:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik wl1251 can't do AP |
| 22:59.19 | Estel_ | NIN101, maybe putting whole traffic through proxy, via ip tables? |
| 22:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'm in line with ShadowJK |
| 22:59.42 | Estel_ | i.e pure ad-hoc - my experiences seems to confirm it |
| 23:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | fake managed mode |
| 23:00.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka fake AP |
| 23:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually based on ad-hoc |
| 23:00.41 | NIN101 | Estel: won't work. |
| 23:02.11 | NIN101 | good night. |
| 23:04.10 | Estel_ | bb, gn |
| 23:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqllpnyWrY |
| 23:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice 'n' sleazy |
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