| 00:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably needs dbus cmd |
| 00:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc all mime type project file opening is via dbus msg calling a proxy which starts the executable and passes the pathname/filename to it |
| 00:06.46 | RST38h | ...When a sufficiently large number of subjects are exposed to this effect, further complications arise in terms of mental health and the integrity of spacetime. |
| 00:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | try dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.$1 string:"$2" |
| 00:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or check what dbus-monitor shows when you click/open the pdf file in filemanager |
| 00:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | should listen to own advice for osso-notes |
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| 00:27.20 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, will try it, but what is $1 and $2?... |
| 00:27.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno |
| 00:27.49 | LaoLang_cool | O_o... |
| 00:27.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | but evidently filemanager opens pdf files |
| 00:28.18 | LaoLang_cool | yes... |
| 00:28.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | use dbus-monitor to get exact call to accomplish that |
| 00:29.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | I bet several other users here could give better advice, direct pointer to howto, or even command |
| 00:30.48 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer51, dbus-monitor's output is hard to understand... |
| 00:35.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's a lot of useless unrealted stuff in there. grep -C10 'your pdffilename' |
| 00:37.57 | RiD | pedofilename :/ |
| 00:38.10 | RiD | .pdf 's hidden message |
| 00:38.12 | RST38h | *.pedo? |
| 00:38.29 | RiD | .pdf |
| 00:38.45 | RiD | also known to be a diminutive of .pedophile |
| 00:39.07 | RiD | why "f" instead of "ph"? because most of file extensions have 3 chars |
| 00:39.18 | RiD | that's it. It's a completely legitimate explanation |
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| 01:36.00 | ShadowJK | flac has no dct I think |
| 01:37.00 | ShadowJK | I see you were discussing something else than I thought |
| 01:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>FLAC uses linear prediction to convert the audio samples to a series of small, uncorrelated numbers (known as the residual), which are stored efficiently using Golomb-Rice coding. It also uses run-length encoding for blocks of identical samples, such as silent passages.<< |
| 01:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha, I recalled something wrong: >> Channels can be grouped in cases like stereo and 5.1 channel surround to take advantage of interchannel correlations to increase compression<< |
| 01:41.01 | ShadowJK | I'd myself make them mono and code the mono channel and the difference separately |
| 01:44.42 | ShadowJK | voice codecs are kinda fascinagting in that they model the human soundproducing apparatus :P |
| 01:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 01:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why music sounds awful via GSM |
| 01:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's also the reason you can transmit pretty clear voice signals via 9600bps |
| 01:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you wouldn't need much more to control the "muscles" of an atrificial throat |
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| 01:56.26 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciVXUHTN10 - a man with an artificial throat. (seemingly) |
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| 02:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice |
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| 02:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | beatboxing meets frippertronics |
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| 02:49.32 | stardiviner | What about Python3 on Maemo5 now ? |
| 02:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik nobody is using it? |
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| 03:14.13 | LaoLang_cool | wow, modrana is a must-have app in maemo |
| 03:14.53 | LaoLang_cool | it should replace the out-dated built-in ovi maps :) |
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| 03:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | why is everybody so eager to *replace* anything?? |
| 03:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF became of "freedom of choice" in FOSS? |
| 03:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | REPLACE camera, REPLACE kernel, REPLACE mediaplayer, REPLACE maps - dang, I get angry hearing that all the time |
| 03:41.27 | robbiethe1st | Well, if the original can't be /modified/, it should be /replaced/? |
| 03:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead of feeling happy they got a choice, people think they have to force their own preferences onto others. dafaq! |
| 03:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: BULLSHIT! |
| 03:42.24 | robbiethe1st | Why not? |
| 03:43.15 | robbiethe1st | Isn't that the whole point to OSS stuff? It may not do what you want, but you can /modify/ it to(and hopefully, someone else has already done it and made it a config option)? |
| 03:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got 3 maps apps on my N900, and I'll get into a blood frency when somebody comes REPLACING one of them with something HE thinks is better for *me* |
| 03:43.44 | robbiethe1st | Well, if you mean replacing as in 'removing the alternative', then.... |
| 03:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what everybody means by REPLACE |
| 03:44.12 | robbiethe1st | I would expect it to be replaced as in busybox-power; it's an option that replaces the original, but is non-mandatory |
| 03:44.20 | robbiethe1st | (and conflicts with the original) |
| 03:45.14 | robbiethe1st | Now, what the 'default' option should be, that can be argued(i.e. whether the stock or modified version of something should be in, say, cssu, but... |
| 03:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu wil NOT REPLACE anything, it will offer FREEDOM OF CHOICE whenever possible |
| 03:47.17 | robbiethe1st | Doesn't it replace stock packages with 'upgraded'/modified ones? |
| 03:47.40 | robbiethe1st | Like some of the custom-patched versions? |
| 03:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's any such thing like a default, user should have a select option to make "default" whatever she likes |
| 03:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed somebody managed to push nicocam into cssu, on of the root sins |
| 03:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of* |
| 03:49.15 | robbiethe1st | Depends... I don't see what's wrong with alternate packages that conflct with/provide the original package; On this device, there's not enough space for all versions of everything, so... |
| 03:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp since for camera it's *utterly* simple to offer a default-selector |
| 03:49.45 | robbiethe1st | True; that's something I've had for many months... |
| 03:49.56 | robbiethe1st | I have two camera packages + flashlight + mbarcode |
| 03:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | since friggin nicocam my DSP locks up when taking photos - comment of cssu-responsibles: "well, get a proper kernel-power, it's a bug that's fixed in there" FINE¡¡¡ |
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| 03:52.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | what exactly is the benefit of nicocam in cssu for me now? |
| 03:52.25 | robbiethe1st | I'd argue that if the kernel-power is included/marked as a dependancy of nicocam, then that's fine. Otherwise... |
| 03:53.00 | ShadowJK | guesses nicocam isn't feature complete with the default cam? :P |
| 03:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | figures arch linux / younameit distro upgrade REPLACING firefox by opera |
| 03:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | even replacing msie by firefox would kill the system |
| 03:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why you always got a selector which progarm shall be default on your system |
| 04:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody ever dares to *replace* stuff, unless inevitable |
| 04:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | just fools rushing over cssu think cssu is meant to *replace* everything |
| 04:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I don't mean my friends the maintainers) |
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| 04:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | this whole thinking is probably a result of Nokia's idea to ship a 'monolithic' OS revision including 'everything'. So people don't think "fine, I got modrana now. Could I recover the space (on screen, in storage) taken up by ovimaps? Could I change which app addressbook will open when clicking on an address?" - they stay in Nokia's walled garden and think "duh, how could I *replace* this friggin ovimaps?" |
| 04:17.16 | cehteh | i hate it when i accidentally start ovi maps .. its so slow to kill it :P |
| 04:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, who doesn't? |
| 04:22.15 | cehteh | someone at nokia either liked it OR wanted to punish their customers |
| 04:22.29 | cehteh | that didnt worked out .. so they moved to windows phone :P |
| 04:23.33 | robbiethe1st | Oh, that reminds me... speaking of low-level mods, remember many months ago I wondered about 'pausing' browser/browserd when the screen is off? |
| 04:23.58 | robbiethe1st | Turns out, it works great; 99.9% of the time, windows |
| 04:24.55 | robbiethe1st | 'resume' just fine(transparently), and I have none of the swap-lag I used to get as the app got swapped out of ram while waiting. Battery usage is /far/ better - browser windows can be left open without impacting battery life now. |
| 04:25.43 | robbiethe1st | I've had a /couple/ of crashes of browser/browserd, but, well, that happens normally, and considering I use it every day(with multiple pause/resume cycles a day)... |
| 04:26.47 | robbiethe1st | (and, I might add, I have far more crashes on my desktop with firefox than I do with the stock browser, so...) |
| 04:28.43 | robbiethe1st | Aanyway, I think that's enough of that. I do suggest everyone who's interested, try it out. |
| 04:30.42 | cehteh | how did you do that? dbus scripts? |
| 04:31.35 | cehteh | kill -STOP it or what? |
| 04:31.59 | robbiethe1st | Dbus script that calls kill -STOP on "lock" event |
| 04:32.06 | robbiethe1st | and then resume on the unlock event |
| 04:32.43 | cehteh | that was my guess ,, fine :) .. i shall do that |
| 04:33.27 | robbiethe1st | I forget where the dbus event script thingie is located, but... |
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| 04:47.58 | jpinx | how do I get to rsync from my laptop to the SDcard of my n900 when I have it mounted sshfs over usb. I keep getting operation not permitted. |
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| 05:11.32 | cehteh | jpinx: why dont you use rsync over ssh instead sshfs .. that would be far more efficient |
| 05:12.56 | kerio | cehteh: [citation needed] |
| 05:13.10 | kerio | unless he's *updating* files, the transfer protocol is the same |
| 05:13.15 | cehteh | cehteh saied that :P |
| 05:13.17 | kerio | hell, rsync does a bunch more checks |
| 05:13.35 | cehteh | kerio: sshfs has much more network turnarounds for metadata |
| 05:13.49 | kerio | hmm |
| 05:14.12 | cehteh | and if the destination doesnt exist then rsync just sends the data |
| 05:14.19 | kerio | jpinx: why don't you use sftp (over ssh) instead of sshfs? that would be far more efficient |
| 05:14.35 | cehteh | well i use sshfs sometimes .. its nice |
| 05:20.28 | jpinx | kerio: and cehteh I like to be able to write to the SD card with cp, nano, rsync, et al -- but "operation not permitted" is what I get now |
| 05:20.43 | kerio | jpinx: what does mount say? |
| 05:20.53 | cehteh | so then you dont have permission or its mounted readonly |
| 05:21.24 | jpinx | mount in the laptop says... user@192.168.2.15:/media/mmc1/ on /home/jpinx/n900-card type fuse.sshfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,max_read=65536,allow_other,user=jpinx) |
| 05:21.59 | jpinx | kerio: you can see it is rw, and user is me |
| 05:22.15 | kerio | can you write stuff to it from the n900 itself? |
| 05:22.22 | jpinx | no |
| 05:22.25 | cehteh | and you are logged in as root or user on the n900? |
| 05:22.29 | kerio | what's the error you get? |
| 05:22.34 | cehteh | sshfs is bad in handling multiple users |
| 05:22.48 | cehteh | (aka root owned files) |
| 05:23.18 | cehteh | next if you have fat in the way and you try some metadata operations fat may not support this can yield that error |
| 05:23.26 | jpinx | the SD >card is all rwrwrw and all files owned by user |
| 05:23.48 | cehteh | how is it mounted on the n900? |
| 05:23.59 | jpinx | sshfs |
| 05:24.10 | cehteh | locally .. fat? |
| 05:24.14 | jpinx | as per user@192.168.2.15:/media/mmc1/ on /home/jpinx/n900-card type fuse.sshfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,max_read=65536,allow_other,user=jpinx) |
| 05:24.15 | cehteh | readwrite? |
| 05:24.27 | cehteh | not the sshfs mount i meant on the n900 locally |
| 05:25.17 | jpinx | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) |
| 05:25.19 | cehteh | and well .. use rsync over ssh and not sshfs .. that would be a first start to debug this and having success later |
| 05:25.35 | jpinx | cehteh: rsync fails in the same way |
| 05:25.52 | cehteh | yes but you dont have 3 layers to debug |
| 05:25.57 | cehteh | there is only here and there :) |
| 05:26.03 | jpinx | ;) |
| 05:26.25 | jpinx | rsync gives me operation not permitted when trying to write |
| 05:26.34 | kerio | use scp or something like that |
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| 05:26.38 | cehteh | rsync somesmallfile user@192.168.2.15:/media/mmc1/ |
| 05:26.41 | kerio | can you *ssh* to the n900? |
| 05:26.41 | cehteh | like this? |
| 05:27.12 | cehteh | next try the opposite fetch some file from the n900, does that work? |
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| 05:29.13 | jpinx | kerio: yes - straightforward ssh works |
| 05:29.54 | kerio | and from that ssh session you can write to /media/mmc1/foo? |
| 05:30.15 | kerio | if so, then there's no reason scp shouldn't work |
| 05:32.40 | jpinx | ok - fixed it |
| 05:32.46 | jpinx | here's what you do |
| 05:33.23 | jpinx | first off - remove the image you are using as a desktop background which is located on the sdcard, reboot, and you're done |
| 05:33.59 | jpinx | *anythin* that is using the sdcard will block remote access to it |
| 05:34.44 | jpinx | kerio: and cehteh many thanks for the boot up my ass ;) |
| 05:34.59 | cehteh | huh? |
| 05:35.22 | cehteh | sounds strange .. i doing such things many times |
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| 05:35.37 | jpinx | if anyone knows what the mechanism is that blocks the remote access to the sdcard while anything else is using it - I'll be interested to know |
| 05:36.25 | jpinx | I now have drag and drop in the laptop (debian) filemanager into and out of the n900 sdcard |
| 05:36.48 | jpinx | rsync chugs along perfectly |
| 05:37.34 | jpinx | all back to normal and I put the image I like as screen background on the main phone SD card -- there is no conflict from there |
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| 09:08.56 | kerio | jpinx: wait, unplug/replug? |
| 09:08.58 | kerio | of what? |
| 09:09.05 | kerio | are you exporting the µsd through usb mass storage? |
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| 09:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 10:00.38 | teotwaki | Can I ask a stupid favour off anyone here? |
| 10:01.13 | StyXman | teotwaki: asking is free |
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| 10:02.01 | teotwaki | The school were I got my CS degree is being shut down, however, the teachers have decided to start a petition to keep it going. Would anyone mind signing the petition? Doesn't matter where you are, frankly. Message me if you want the link. Thanks. |
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| 10:14.15 | teotwaki | Gee, thanks for the support :) |
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| 10:38.34 | jpinx | kerio yes - it's a usb cable connection I use ( wwith wvdial to get to the internet) |
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| 11:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: >>Message me if you want the link<< prone to fail epically |
| 11:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 11:43.46 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 11:45.03 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: I was also trying to not spam the channel with something immensely off-topic, noob |
| 11:46.22 | kerio | OH NO YOU DI'N'T |
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| 12:04.12 | Lava_Croft | yeah you n00b |
| 12:04.28 | Lava_Croft | chuckles like he is watching a game of CoD played by a 6 year old |
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| 12:46.32 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, hi. can you write steps how to start usb host mode with charging? |
| 12:47.09 | kerio | Pali! |
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| 12:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: basically: start normal hostmode. After establishing everything plug in external power to Y-cable. Stop vboost(-script). Start charge21.sh |
| 12:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~hostmode-charging |
| 12:58.57 | infobot | [hostmode-powered] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
| 13:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: it's very inportant to NOT have any vbus supply plugged in when starting hostmode. As I explained before, you can select speed of musb-core only when no vbus voltage from any source (external or internal) is locking the USB session |
| 13:03.58 | kerio | charge21 or any other BME substitute, right? |
| 13:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: keep in mind that even after disabling boost mode (or unplugging the external power supply) there will stay the voltage on VBUS for quite some time, buffered by capacitors inside N900 as well as in the attached peripheral. You can try to speed discharge by a couble of measures, but finally you should check for current voltage on vbus before continuing with anything like automatic speed switching |
| 13:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: right |
| 13:04.37 | kerio | what happens if you turn on BME at that point? |
| 13:04.47 | kerio | shit breaks awfully? |
| 13:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | except bme itself, which possibly might collide with hostmode eventually /see fastcharger detect) |
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| 13:04.56 | kerio | i see |
| 13:04.58 | kerio | :) |
| 13:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | fastcharger detect will mess with D+ D- which kills USB data transmission |
| 13:05.54 | kerio | how do inductive chargers work? a special battery? or something that plugs in the phone? |
| 13:06.20 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, how to correct check for voltage on vbus? |
| 13:06.30 | Estel_ | something that "plugs in" into the phone. |
| 13:06.49 | kerio | not just the battery, then? shame |
| 13:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: there's generic vbus sysfs node, but that's poor. Better check session status in musb-core |
| 13:07.23 | Estel_ | erio, why so? inductive charging circuit on battery could work, but would confuse a shit out of bq27x00 module, and from bme |
| 13:07.41 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: how many n900s do you have? |
| 13:07.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme count |
| 13:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems they are 4 now |
| 13:08.16 | chem|st | ;) |
| 13:08.21 | kerio | Estel_: so you can charge while doing whatever you want with the usb port |
| 13:08.27 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, funny, as just five minutes ago I connected some things to my N900, and was cursing like hell due to it refusing to work - I forget to *not* apply external voltage before connecting ;) Finally- figured it out myself, then came here, and red Your reply |
| 13:09.26 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I think of having another one now... |
| 13:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, you want to compete? i'll have to get another two then ;-P |
| 13:10.32 | kerio | chem|st: i have two ^_^ |
| 13:10.35 | kerio | although one is still MIA |
| 13:11.26 | chem|st | mia? |
| 13:11.27 | kerio | can i use backupmenu to restore a backup that was made on a n900 on a different n900? does it work? any problems wrt hardware IDs? |
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| 13:11.47 | kerio | chem|st: missing in action |
| 13:11.48 | chem|st | ~wtf mia |
| 13:11.55 | kerio | infobot: too slow! |
| 13:11.55 | infobot | no, you're too slow! |
| 13:12.02 | kerio | ...what the hell |
| 13:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually you may apply external voltage as soon as you've chosen speed. I.E. whenever you press "Vboost" button in H-E-N you also may apply external voltage, NOT earlier |
| 13:12.10 | chem|st | ~feed infobot |
| 13:12.11 | infobot | ACTION offers infobot some toe-jam |
| 13:12.16 | kerio | i... i wasn't expecting that |
| 13:12.24 | chem|st | ~botsnack |
| 13:12.24 | infobot | chem|st: aw, gee |
| 13:12.33 | kerio | chem|st: anyway, broken USB port and some other minor problems |
| 13:12.53 | chem|st | the usb is easy to fix, what are the minors? |
| 13:13.14 | kerio | the sim card pins are kinda flaky |
| 13:13.27 | kerio | internal battery is f'ed, but that's standard |
| 13:13.50 | kerio | and then generic software problems that can be fixed by reflashing |
| 13:13.57 | kerio | except that NOPE.jpg |
| 13:14.22 | kerio | the thing is, it was my only phone, so i couldn't exactly get it fixed |
| 13:14.26 | kerio | because i needed my phone |
| 13:14.37 | kerio | now, i'll probably fix it and maybe sell it? |
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| 13:17.00 | chem|st | simcard pins? what have you done to that? |
| 13:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's what backup menu offers to user - complete and convenient migration to a new device |
| 13:17.23 | kerio | chem|st: nothing! i swear! |
| 13:17.30 | kerio | it could also be the sim itself, mind you |
| 13:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it? |
| 13:17.49 | chem|st | kerio: then there is no problem with the pins, it is the gsm-firmware being dodgy |
| 13:18.03 | chem|st | or your simcard |
| 13:18.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so there are no weird mismatches wrt imei/wifi mac address/bt... mac? address? |
| 13:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | all in CAL |
| 13:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't copy CAL |
| 13:18.27 | kerio | i see |
| 13:18.27 | chem|st | my simcard looks like driven over several times and is still working |
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| 13:19.13 | chem|st | got it replaced with a microsim anyhow |
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| 13:27.18 | kerio | chem|st: hm, with an adapter? |
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| 14:05.23 | kerio | wtf, why is there a wine package |
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| 14:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sim adapter) NEVER use SIM adapters on slot-in SIM holders |
| 14:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we've seen N950 fatalities on that |
| 14:15.34 | StyXman | blood and all? |
| 14:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 14:16.19 | StyXman | nice |
| 14:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably, since the user tried to remove locked-up SIM with a blade finally |
| 14:16.30 | StyXman | doesn't want to see his n900's blood |
| 14:16.47 | Helloer | Hey, how to fix "camera-ui: operation failed"? |
| 14:16.49 | jaska | it has gaseous blood, you will recognize it by the smell. |
| 14:17.23 | StyXman | jaska: I hope I don';t get to see it |
| 14:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Helloer: check dmesg |
| 14:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or - better - syslog) |
| 14:18.07 | StyXman | although we call that "the devil that make electronics work", given all the black magic involved even on a single transistor... |
| 14:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jinnie, aka "blue magic smoke" |
| 14:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | never let it escape the chips |
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| 14:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, genie |
| 14:25.44 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: what is the DSP 's "name" again ? xD |
| 14:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: hmm? |
| 14:26.21 | dhbiker | umm how its named |
| 14:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | in which domain? datasheets? sysfs? |
| 14:26.31 | dhbiker | datasheet |
| 14:26.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 14:26.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of the well known TI series iirc |
| 14:27.05 | dhbiker | oh |
| 14:27.11 | dhbiker | ok ill google that out |
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| 14:30.00 | dhbiker | found it... OMAP3430 |
| 14:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti/ |
| 14:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | omap3430 is the whole SOC |
| 14:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.edaboard.com/thread69235.html |
| 14:34.02 | dhbiker | yeah just saw in a datasheet |
| 14:34.05 | dhbiker | C64x |
| 14:35.42 | Helloer | DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=T6DePr9f thats all |
| 14:36.08 | Estel_ | goddamn it, how to make external keyboard connected to N900, to wortk inside Easy Debian desktop enviromnent (LXDE) |
| 14:36.13 | Estel_ | = inside xephyr |
| 14:36.26 | Estel_ | work = correctly work [- now it allow only lowercase lettersm no numbers or special chars |
| 14:36.56 | Estel_ | N900 keyboard layout - including custom hardware remap - work by copying rx-51 file from Maemo to same location under easy debian |
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| 14:37.32 | Helloer | Estel_: check pm (irc)^^ |
| 14:37.48 | Estel_ | hoever, external keyboard connected via freemangordon's extkbd package, works great on Maemo - also for ED programs run from Maemo, but not from xephyr |
| 14:38.24 | dhbiker | bbl |
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| 14:53.37 | kerio | i'm going crazy - how's the mobile traffic counter widget called? |
| 14:54.36 | kerio | ooh, personal dataplan monitor |
| 14:54.40 | kerio | found it |
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| 14:58.41 | chem|st | kerio: with adapter yes, would never use that on a slot... as the guys replied after you |
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| 15:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: mobile traffic counter is in settings-phone |
| 16:00.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but there was a neat widget that displays that same counter on the home screen |
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| 17:07.05 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: if i provide external poer to my peripheral, is it safe to simply stop bme, and switch N900 usb to host-mode without using booston? or do i always have to booston? |
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| 17:08.41 | Sicelo | *powe |
| 17:08.47 | Sicelo | gawd. |
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| 17:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: you have to hit vboost button in h-e-n GUI anyway |
| 17:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you do manual hostmode the hacker way, it's safe to apply external vbus power instead of starting booston script, same momnent |
| 17:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 1707 PHY chip detects VBUS voltage, but it doesn't mind where from it origins |
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| 18:03.09 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: as long as there is >0.65v present at the base, the transistor will be biased irrespective of ib? |
| 18:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: ?? |
| 18:04.05 | vi__ | this statement is correct? |
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| 18:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: if that's a generic question, then the answer is "yes" |
| 18:04.32 | vi__ | where Ib==the current flowing into the base. |
| 18:05.04 | vi__ | also, Ie=Ic+Ib. |
| 18:05.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if U(e-b) is >0.65..0.7V there's no way no current flows into base |
| 18:06.35 | vi__ | I thought as much. |
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| 18:15.35 | monoceros | Sorry Guys, Does Maemo.org work for you? |
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| 18:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | says who? |
| 18:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
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| 18:34.57 | ThreeM | monoceros, yes it does |
| 18:46.23 | monoceros | yes, now it works also for me... thank you |
| 18:46.31 | andre__ | monoceros, http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org |
| 18:47.01 | Sicelo | thanks for info DocScrutinizer05 :) |
| 18:57.59 | kerio | andre__: or isup.me |
| 18:58.13 | kerio | MohammadAG: your alternate lockscreen. i don't like it |
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| 19:00.04 | monoceros | Ahah thank you andre__ and kerio :) |
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| 19:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: you're welcome! :-) |
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| 19:18.30 | Pali | I updated usbmode.sh script: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/kernel-power/usbmode.sh |
| 19:18.52 | Pali | Now autodetection of speed working on my tested devices without problem |
| 19:19.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, see ^^^ |
| 19:19.33 | Pali | I think script is now complete |
| 19:20.04 | Pali | all maemo testers: test this new script for usb host mode |
| 19:20.33 | Sicelo | will it work on previous KP? or only 51? |
| 19:20.51 | Pali | usage: ./usbmode host (activate host mode) ./hostmode peripheral (deactivate host mode) |
| 19:21.02 | Pali | Sicelo, yes only for kp 51 |
| 19:21.07 | Sicelo | ah |
| 19:21.19 | Pali | it use new charger driver for boost |
| 19:21.46 | Pali | Sicelo, booston daemon script was moved to kernel |
| 19:22.13 | Sicelo | i'm not of 51 yet. tell me .. this new script - is it safe to use with external power as well? |
| 19:24.05 | Pali | Sicelo, should be safe |
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| 19:29.24 | Sicelo | thanks |
| 19:32.24 | kerio | Pali: i'm not sure speed autodetect is that good of an idea |
| 19:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc |
| 19:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 19:39.21 | Lava_Croft | too late for my n900! |
| 19:43.16 | vi__ | so, in short how do I use the new charger chip module? |
| 19:43.39 | vi__ | do I stop bme, insmod bq+charger module. |
| 19:43.41 | vi__ | ? |
| 19:43.50 | vi__ | or is there more to it than that. |
| 19:44.07 | vi__ | waves to Pali. |
| 19:44.33 | kerio | vi__: use that script, for instance |
| 19:44.37 | kerio | oh, you mean in general |
| 19:44.45 | kerio | i doubt it's ready for "primetime", so to speak |
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| 19:49.25 | Pali | vi__, look at: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bq2415x.html |
| 19:50.11 | Pali | vi__, you must stop bme and then load bq2415x_charger.ko module |
| 19:51.01 | Pali | when bq2415x_charger is loaded it auto charge battery when charger is attached |
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| 19:51.27 | Pali | also it autodetect wallcharger and set correct current limit |
| 19:52.27 | Pali | also chip stop charging when battery is fully charged |
| 19:52.37 | Pali | so charing working without user interaction automatically |
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| 20:01.56 | MohammadAG | kerio: Thanks :D |
| 20:04.15 | kerio | MohammadAG: the media controls are kinda weird |
| 20:04.26 | kerio | and wtf, the beach in the background |
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| 20:17.34 | MohammadAG | kerio: It was a concept more than anything |
| 20:17.35 | MohammadAG | QtLockscreen bases on my code |
| 20:18.44 | kerio | hm |
| 20:18.49 | kerio | so qtlockscreen is supposed to be better? |
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| 20:31.30 | SpeedEvil | On the stock media player - has anyone seen audio files seeking back to the beginning and stopping after ~2 mins sometimes? |
| 20:31.50 | kerio | SpeedEvil: yep |
| 20:31.53 | kerio | noticed multiple times |
| 20:32.00 | kerio | on pr1.2, but apparently the bug is still there |
| 20:32.13 | kerio | not sure if it's a mafw bug or if it's a mediaplayer bug, i hope it's the latter |
| 20:32.26 | kerio | now i'm using OMP, but i haven't played a lot of music there, so i can't say it works better |
| 20:32.45 | kerio | it used to happen a lot, especially when changing song a lot |
| 20:32.57 | kerio | i said "a lot" a lot, didn't i |
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| 20:39.59 | vi__ | pali, that is a work of bueaty. |
| 20:40.30 | vi__ | kerio: Not ready for prime time? I was haxing maemo when you were still in diapers. |
| 20:41.49 | kerio | :o you had OS2005 in 1995? |
| 20:41.51 | kerio | damn, you're l33t |
| 20:42.23 | kerio | no, OS2004 right? |
| 20:42.26 | kerio | maemo1 |
| 20:42.51 | vi__ | maemo 0.001a - alpha proof of concept version. |
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| 20:43.40 | vi__ | of course there was no hardware back then, we just drew it on peices of slate with a bark pencil. |
| 20:51.12 | kerio | hmm, so what's missing from the bq modules? the userland part? |
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| 21:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: aiui missing is the signalling from USM ENUM power negotiation to charger max current, anf the replacement for hald-addon-bme |
| 21:29.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB* |
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| 21:29.48 | kerio | the what? |
| 21:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 21:30.07 | kerio | "It also detect USB/host charger and dedicated/wallcharger, so working without user interaction." |
| 21:30.17 | kerio | -- Pali, http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bq2415x.html |
| 21:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 21:30.40 | kerio | hell, you can even force a particular mode in addition to going with auto mode |
| 21:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, *I* specified that |
| 21:31.22 | kerio | so what's the missing signalling? |
| 21:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure if pali implemented anything regardin that, but when you plug your N900 to a PC via USB hub, the hub will tell (actually PC will) "N900, you can draw max 300mA, as PC delivers 500 and I need 100 and there's a kbd as well that needs another 100) |
| 21:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | " |
| 21:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is happening deep in USB drivers, and I dunno how tightly pali coupled that to charger chip |
| 21:34.33 | kerio | so would setting the n900 to charger mode make it such as much power as it can? |
| 21:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope not too tight since it's a complex theme with lots of niche cases that work slightly different to usual case |
| 21:34.52 | kerio | *suck |
| 21:35.08 | kerio | it sounds dangerous |
| 21:35.17 | kerio | (for the host and the rest of the devices) |
| 21:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *might* result in N900 suck 500mA unconditionally, and that *might* cause some PC to blow chunks, usually under windows and sw side, but occasionally even hw side |
| 21:36.06 | kerio | the sheevaplug comes to mind, actually |
| 21:36.20 | kerio | its power supply can barely sustain 500mA plus the rest of the system |
| 21:36.39 | kerio | plugging in "bad" usb devices can and will cause the PSU to blow up |
| 21:36.46 | kerio | (ish) |
| 21:36.59 | kerio | well, not really, but it'll stress it |
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| 21:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's much more lacking in daily usage though is the hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc.so that allows hal to display meaningful status of charger etc |
| 21:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and in the end takes care to shut down system gracefully instead of simply pulling the plug when battery is completely on its knees |
| 21:38.39 | kerio | so... the battery icon? |
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| 21:38.57 | kerio | oh right, there's also the graceful shutdown |
| 21:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* there should be a better way not involving HAL and the bq24140/bq27x00 and bluetooth and whatnot, since iirc the twl4030 has two thresholds, one for graceful and one for ultimate shutdown. Alas iirc this isn't used |
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| 21:42.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure you'll get no battery icon and no bat-low warnings without hald-addon-bme |
| 21:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and 80% of the crappy acme-battery-monitors out there will cease to work |
| 21:45.36 | kerio | hm, what's the twl? |
| 21:45.42 | kerio | as opposed to bq |
| 21:47.34 | vi__ | apparently pali has no taste for dill sauce. |
| 21:47.54 | vi__ | I wish FMG would keep a blog like that. |
| 21:48.16 | SpeedEvil | twl is the TI companion chip that does power managment, USB PHY (in some cases, not the n900, and some other stuff |
| 21:48.23 | vi__ | It would be majorly beneficial when he comes to try and find work post uni. |
| 21:48.50 | kerio | i see |
| 21:49.04 | kerio | isn't that what BME uses? |
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| 22:23.53 | MrPingu | g evening |
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| 22:50.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | morning |
| 22:51.14 | chem|st | morning |
| 22:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to rite lengty explanation to kerio |
| 22:52.21 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: for what? |
| 22:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | decides against it |
| 22:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no |
| 22:52.43 | chem|st | better explain to me how to get the libs in the right place for building armel targets |
| 22:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch, noob here |
| 22:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yawning noob |
| 22:53.15 | chem|st | usually $PATH has it |
| 22:53.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | libraries? hardly |
| 22:53.41 | chem|st | but no it is looking somewhere in the target compiler directory |
| 22:55.00 | chem|st | well a package having -dev at the end should have postinstall script looking if it is running from device or sdk and place the libs at the right place, no? |
| 22:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | libraries are "fun" stuff |
| 22:55.19 | chem|st | always |
| 22:55.37 | chem|st | had a symlink loop a while ago |
| 22:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html |
| 22:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty decent info |
| 22:57.07 | chem|st | app-management should change to something like there is a base system all can use, special stuff needs to be packed with the program |
| 22:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to do that |
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| 22:58.10 | chem|st | debian should start something like that and have "stable" announced 'base' |
| 22:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | man ld-linux |
| 22:58.45 | chem|st | I don't care about fscked suse or foobuntu |
| 22:59.03 | chem|st | ;) |
| 23:00.04 | chem|st | I am familiar with ld-linux |
| 23:00.33 | chem|st | but usually everything works over her |
| 23:00.34 | chem|st | e |
| 23:00.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | also with ld-library-path? |
| 23:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the always ignored ldconfig ;-p |
| 23:04.43 | chem|st | I should buy a new netbook the first day it is on the market, again. 15 kernels and at least 100h later I had a working device and was used to booting into init 1 every second boot |
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