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| 01:15.14 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Criminals Distribute Infected USB Sticks In Parking Lot |
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| 01:20.03 | GeneralAntilles | robbiethe1st, ping? |
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| 02:39.03 | iluminator105 | hi i am working ppp0 is always on my internet connections? |
| 02:39.12 | iluminator105 | hi i am wondering what ppp0 is always on my internet connections? |
| 02:39.25 | robbiethe1st | Point-to-point protocol |
| 02:39.49 | robbiethe1st | Used for some dsl type connections, though is usually dealt with by your modem |
| 02:40.39 | iluminator105 | i am was wondering if it was open port or someone could connect into my device using it |
| 02:41.19 | robbiethe1st | No, I'm pretty sure not |
| 02:43.21 | iluminator105 | it has next to a dot three semi archs and a dot |
| 02:44.06 | iluminator105 | what is symbol called |
| 02:44.57 | robbiethe1st | My phone uses something like that for wifi point-to-point networking |
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| 05:20.16 | jpinx | I have an issue with connecting the n900 to a debian laptop. When I connect in PCSuite mode and try to rsync files between netbook and n900 only the phone memory is available. The SB card is mounted ro every time. How can I make it mount rw? |
| 05:24.09 | japh | jpinx, ..? why are you using 'pc suite' mode? |
| 05:25.51 | jpinx | japh: cos I use wvdial to connect to internet through my simcard |
| 05:27.58 | sulx | jpinx: try to unmount that memorycard manually. Maybe something is using it or something |
| 05:28.27 | japh | jpinx, humm. |
| 05:28.47 | jpinx | sulx: tried that. but remounting fails |
| 05:28.58 | japh | if you don't answer the question, you can access everything as-is |
| 05:29.58 | jpinx | japh: did you not see? I use PCSuite mode so that I can use wvdial in the netbook to connect to the internet throught the n900 simcard |
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| 05:30.45 | japh | okay, I really don't understand what that is |
| 05:31.04 | japh | by question I didn't mean my question, but the one the phone is asking when connecting the device to the computer |
| 05:31.19 | japh | ignore me then :) |
| 05:31.43 | jpinx | japh: it is not asking a question - merely tells me that the SD card memory is not available cos it is mounted ro |
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| 07:09.06 | phrearch | hi |
| 07:11.12 | phrearch | any idea if failure of reading the simcard is a known problem of the n900? |
| 07:12.09 | jpinx | phrearch: not heard of it in 3 years and 2 n900's |
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| 07:12.29 | jpinx | phrearch: and multiple international simcards |
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| 07:13.18 | phrearch | jpinx: hm, guess im unlucky then |
| 07:13.42 | jpinx | phrearch: check the sim card in another phone |
| 07:13.50 | jpinx | likely a dud ;) |
| 07:14.20 | phrearch | yea good idea. its a weird issue |
| 07:16.11 | phrearch | http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/N900-no-mobile-network-connectivity-SIM-card-not-recognized/td-p/689268 |
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| 07:17.40 | phrearch | ill have to try it in another phone first |
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| 07:22.04 | jpinx | phrearch: make sure your n900 is not in flight mode |
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| 07:26.11 | phrearch | ehm, where is that setting? |
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| 07:29.52 | jpinx | press the on/off for a second and a menu will show |
| 07:32.19 | phrearch | ah got it. no itw as not in flight modus |
| 07:32.30 | phrearch | first time i ever see this menu hehe |
| 07:33.32 | phrearch | looks like its a goner. it always worked as expected, but at some point it just failed without no obvious reason :( |
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| 07:36.04 | jpinx | phrearch: did it get wet and/or abraded? |
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| 07:36.32 | phrearch | it was kinda warm that day |
| 07:36.53 | phrearch | i think it got toasted |
| 07:37.42 | jpinx | define "warm" ? I've had simcards ok at 50 degrees Centigrade |
| 07:38.07 | phrearch | 30 degrees or something, nothing extreme |
| 07:38.54 | jpinx | phrearch: check your n900 with a known good simcard |
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| 07:39.44 | jpinx | if it fails the problems is probably hardware - possible just the little spring contacts in the simcard holder onto the sim card |
| 07:40.00 | phrearch | i already tried to move those a little bit up |
| 07:40.16 | jpinx | phrearch: but be careful if fiddling with those --very easy to damage |
| 07:40.28 | phrearch | probably hardware. will check with another simcard asap |
| 07:40.32 | phrearch | yep :) |
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| 07:41.06 | Macer | heh |
| 07:41.17 | Macer | i had the same problem |
| 07:41.20 | Macer | modem failure |
| 07:41.28 | Macer | tried bending the pins up didn't work |
| 07:41.49 | Macer | kept losing the sim/cell connection.... sucked :-/ i miss my n900 |
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| 07:42.16 | phrearch | aha, sounds like the same issue |
| 07:42.25 | phrearch | you sent if for repair? |
| 07:42.50 | Macer | no |
| 07:43.01 | Macer | i tried but they said thephone was purchased from the UK |
| 07:43.14 | phrearch | hm too bad |
| 07:43.15 | Macer | and there is no viable way to ship it to UK and have them ship it back to the US |
| 07:43.19 | Macer | yeah.. it sucks |
| 07:43.31 | Macer | i wouldn't even mind getting an e7 back tbh |
| 07:44.03 | Macer | but it did let me get away from t-mobile.. which totally sucks in chicago.. i swapped to att and got a lumia 900 |
| 07:44.12 | Macer | i wouldn't mind getting an N9 if they were't still so expensive |
| 07:45.41 | Macer | i still use the n900 at home via wifi |
| 07:45.41 | jpinx | maybe I've been lucky with hardware - 3 n900's and always managed to fix them myself - one is a dedicated usb modem for the netbook |
| 07:45.57 | Macer | heh yeah.. my first n900 had the usb port fall off |
| 07:46.01 | phrearch | yea, maybe nice as webserver :) |
| 07:46.04 | Macer | didn't even know they did that until it happened to me |
| 07:46.16 | Macer | guess it was a common failure |
| 07:46.25 | jpinx | Macer: did you explore getting a new simcard holder and fitting it yourself? |
| 07:46.46 | Macer | no.. i saw no need since i got away from tmobile.. 2G is no fun ;) |
| 07:46.47 | jpinx | Macer: yea - reams have been written about the weak usb ports and how to fix them |
| 07:47.00 | Macer | i saw that.. tried to fix it but couldn't manage to do it |
| 07:47.03 | Macer | gave up and got a new one |
| 07:47.08 | Macer | which had the modem failure with the sim |
| 07:47.20 | Macer | worked great for almost a year.. then ... broken |
| 07:47.32 | Macer | i thought my sim was messed up but guess it was the n900 :( |
| 07:47.35 | Macer | it was a sad day |
| 07:47.52 | Macer | nothing beats the n900.. i wish nokia kept that type of device going |
| 07:47.54 | jpinx | you can buy 2nd hand n900's really cheap now |
| 07:48.04 | Macer | "cheap" ;) |
| 07:48.18 | Macer | i actually got that one for pretty cheap.. but after 2 breaks ... i gave up |
| 07:48.19 | phrearch | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1229823 |
| 07:48.20 | jpinx | Macer: depends what country you're in |
| 07:48.25 | Macer | i'm in the US |
| 07:48.50 | jpinx | Macer: in NZ they can be as low as US$70 equivalent |
| 07:49.06 | jpinx | less if you're prepared to replace a screen or even just flassh the system |
| 07:49.06 | Macer | i could probably get a new one for around $150 here.. but i don't want to use 2G |
| 07:49.22 | Macer | oh i'm sure.. i had a spare screen .. sold it on ebay for $50 |
| 07:49.27 | Macer | from the first one with the USB port that broke |
| 07:49.41 | Macer | i was keeping it around for the 2nd one just in case.. but see no need to keep it |
| 07:49.42 | jpinx | lots of semi-broken ones for sale cos people don't know how to fix them |
| 07:49.46 | Macer | heh |
| 07:49.59 | Macer | they're actually incredibly easy to disassemble |
| 07:50.09 | Macer | for the type of device it is |
| 07:50.11 | jpinx | has 2 working and one for spares |
| 07:50.14 | Macer | i think the G2 was the worst i took apart |
| 07:50.40 | jpinx | always looking for another broken one for spares ;) |
| 07:50.52 | Macer | does the N9 support the att 3G freq? |
| 07:50.59 | Macer | or 4G? |
| 07:51.20 | Macer | but then again.. lord knows how well that meego dev is going :) since nokia abandoned that as well |
| 07:51.32 | Macer | wow the n8x0 and n9xxx series was a total drag |
| 07:51.38 | Macer | such potential but constantly abandoned |
| 07:51.51 | Macer | time and time and time again.. what a shame |
| 07:52.13 | phrearch | bad management from nokia. i think they got lobotomized at some point |
| 07:52.21 | Macer | i agree |
| 07:52.43 | jpinx | they got lobotomized by MS ;) |
| 07:52.51 | Macer | i can understand the need to swap over to wp7 or win8.. but they could have kept the N900 line going |
| 07:53.03 | Macer | just as a niche |
| 07:53.12 | Macer | i'm sure it would still have been quite profitable |
| 07:53.20 | phrearch | yea, same |
| 07:53.22 | jpinx | Macer: they had a great chance to take on MS and Android and win |
| 07:53.37 | Macer | jpinx: i dunno... i doubt that for some reason |
| 07:53.41 | jpinx | but their new boss is a MS clone..... |
| 07:53.42 | Macer | they'd have to have something come out shining |
| 07:54.12 | Macer | and people were already stuck on ios, android, and wp7 |
| 07:54.22 | jpinx | Macer: the n900 could be slimmed down and the OS refined -- look at the work the volunteers have done..... |
| 07:54.28 | Macer | i have to admit.. while i miss my n900 and love maemo.... |
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| 07:54.35 | Macer | wp7 isn't that bad :) |
| 07:54.39 | jpinx | ios is a pos |
| 07:54.42 | Macer | i have a lumia 900 |
| 07:54.48 | jpinx | and wp7 is worse |
| 07:55.01 | Macer | jpinx: tbh.. in comparison to what maemo was doing.... |
| 07:55.05 | Macer | everything is a pos ;) |
| 07:55.11 | Macer | REAL multitasking |
| 07:55.11 | jpinx | clicky OS's that only do what they allow you |
| 07:55.23 | Macer | awesome interface.. just great system |
| 07:55.39 | Macer | jpinx: i guess.. but that is life... :) |
| 07:55.45 | Macer | i honestly think wp7 does everything i need |
| 07:55.51 | jpinx | life sux sometimes ;) |
| 07:55.57 | Macer | but i miss having an xserver and xterm :( |
| 07:56.16 | jpinx | Macer: I couldn't live without cl on the n900 |
| 07:56.26 | Macer | heh |
| 07:56.35 | Macer | believe it or not |
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| 07:56.38 | jpinx | and the ability to ssh into it and fiddle |
| 07:56.45 | Macer | ie for wp7 is probably the best broser i have used on a mobile device ;) |
| 07:56.52 | Macer | browser |
| 07:57.15 | Macer | microb was ok.. but rather sluggish.. but of course that can be hardware.. but the mozilla engine seems to have gotten retardedly bloated |
| 07:57.16 | jpinx | mobile browswers universally suck cos the websites are really crap |
| 07:57.32 | Macer | i suppose.. but it is very tolerable using ie |
| 07:57.39 | jpinx | Macer: yea - even firefox is bloatware now :( |
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| 07:57.48 | Macer | it really is the best one i've tried so far on a phone or small device |
| 07:58.03 | Macer | responsive.. supports most things... just overall works and is quick |
| 07:58.06 | jpinx | is resisting chrome on the eeepc |
| 07:58.08 | Macer | something i didn't expect from ie |
| 07:58.33 | Macer | google had very few good ideas |
| 07:58.43 | Macer | gmail... gdocs... android... and chrome |
| 07:58.52 | Macer | the rest of everything google pretty much sucks |
| 07:59.06 | jpinx | maps are pretty good |
| 07:59.09 | Macer | and chrome was probably their 2nd biggest accomplishment :) |
| 07:59.28 | Macer | i wonder how much information chrome sucks up for google |
| 07:59.40 | jpinx | lots ;) |
| 07:59.44 | Macer | heh |
| 07:59.53 | Macer | what makes it so bad... is that chrome is awesome |
| 07:59.58 | jpinx | and no chance of noscript in it ;) |
| 07:59.59 | Macer | you can't help but use it considering the alternatives |
| 08:00.10 | Macer | i really liked rekonq |
| 08:00.16 | Macer | but it's still a big flakey |
| 08:00.19 | jpinx | Macer: I use swiftfox now - sort of stripped down firefox |
| 08:00.20 | Macer | bit |
| 08:00.37 | jpinx | never tried rekong..... |
| 08:00.46 | Macer | i'd still rather use something that uses webkit |
| 08:00.48 | jpinx | rekonq -- even.... |
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| 08:00.57 | Macer | it's not bad.. but like i said... still a bit buggy |
| 08:01.09 | Macer | personally i think on the liniux desktop side of the house kde is the best way to go |
| 08:01.25 | Macer | they've done quite a lot with kde4.. it is something my 60 year old father can use without being confused |
| 08:02.02 | jpinx | Macer: I don't use kde or gnome, so I supppose rekonq is a no-no ? |
| 08:02.07 | Macer | and rekonq is the kde browser.. but it needs work.. although i haven't used it in over a year.. they my have cleaned it up a bit |
| 08:02.22 | Macer | naw.. you can install rekonq without using kde |
| 08:02.34 | Macer | you'd have kdelibs and qt install of course |
| 08:02.50 | jpinx | :( |
| 08:02.53 | Macer | i used to run it in fluxbox :) but wound up getting rid of it for chromium |
| 08:03.10 | Macer | either way... i just run kubuntu and be done with it.. my server runs debian |
| 08:03.29 | Macer | although i'm considering swapping over to freebsd for zfs once i get a motherboard working again |
| 08:04.01 | Macer | i miss freebsd.. i meant to use it at first but the via nic chipset in the artigo i used to run just wouldn't work in fbsd :( |
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| 08:04.36 | Macer | ah well.. have to do stuff.... ttyl |
| 08:08.12 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: go look at license conditions of redistributable blobs for n9xx and it becomes apperant why it's a problem for a company to do, simple as that |
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| 09:38.33 | Pali | ping DocScrutinizer |
| 09:38.42 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1235118&postcount=474 |
| 09:41.19 | Pali | new update for kernel-power-modules v51 package, see ^^^ |
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| 09:42.11 | Pali | bq27x00_battery will export file /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/registers |
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| 10:00.24 | Viltzu | asd. Anyone knows where the gcc-4.6 was for scratchbox? :) |
| 10:01.19 | Viltzu | Zeq once told what to do but I didn't write the link up anywhere. |
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| 10:05.17 | Viltzu | Okay found it. (from logs) |
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| 11:38.39 | qwazix | kerio, ping |
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| 11:47.01 | kerio | pong? |
| 11:47.04 | kerio | sup |
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| 11:59.22 | qwazix | kerio, I was trying to play with the backlight within a script the other day |
| 11:59.49 | qwazix | and while piping to sudo gainroot worked, sudo did not work |
| 12:00.09 | qwazix | maybe that's why so many packages depend on roots |
| 12:00.14 | qwazix | rootsh* |
| 12:00.18 | kerio | *piping* to sudo gainroot? wtf |
| 12:00.54 | qwazix | sh -c "echo 0 /path/to/sysfolder/brightness" | sudo gainroot |
| 12:01.12 | kerio | ...dafuq? that makes no sense |
| 12:01.14 | qwazix | sh -c '"echo 0 /path/to/sysfolder/brightness" | sudo gainroot' |
| 12:01.21 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 12:01.32 | kerio | that's an incredibly backwards way of doing that |
| 12:01.43 | qwazix | couldn't find any other one |
| 12:02.05 | qwazix | Now i'm thinking maybe developer (madde runs apps as developer) is not in sudoers |
| 12:02.06 | kerio | echo 0 | sudo dd of=/sys/foo/bar/baz/brightness |
| 12:02.10 | kerio | that's the usual standard way |
| 12:02.32 | qwazix | oh, thanks, didn't know that |
| 12:05.05 | qwazix | nah, user and developer are the same user |
| 12:05.16 | qwazix | ~$ sudo su developer |
| 12:05.23 | qwazix | ~$ whoami |
| 12:05.26 | qwazix | user |
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| 12:19.40 | SpeedEvil | Argh. |
| 12:19.53 | SpeedEvil | lots of SGI graphics errors. |
| 12:20.00 | SpeedEvil | SGX? |
| 12:20.21 | SpeedEvil | I'm hoping it's damp - phone is now in oven baking at 60C for the next day or so. |
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| 12:27.15 | Lava_Croft | poor phone |
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| 12:28.05 | Hurrian | damn, that's nasty. |
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| 13:32.50 | vi__ | god damned freenode banned my ass. |
| 13:33.20 | vi__ | merlin1991: ping |
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| 13:44.42 | MrPingu | vi__ dafuq? |
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| 13:48.39 | kerio | vi__: maybe they banned you because you keep pinging a dude who's in vacation in greece |
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| 13:53.41 | vi__ | kerio: maybe they should ban you for being such a fert nugget. |
| 13:53.47 | vi__ | ^/fart |
| 13:54.13 | vi__ | MrPingu: My works pipes everything through a squid proxy. Freenode do not like proxies. |
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| 13:56.52 | kerio | vi__: even if you login to nickserv with the server password? |
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| 14:58.25 | twinklstar | hi all |
| 14:59.06 | twinklstar | hello.. |
| 14:59.54 | twinklstar | why all silent?? |
| 15:00.49 | StyXman | twinklstar: it'snormal |
| 15:01.19 | StyXman | it's silent until there's something interesting to say |
| 15:01.25 | twinklstar | i ws logged in to listen sme chat |
| 15:01.32 | twinklstar | oh |
| 15:01.36 | vi__ | I can confirm this. |
| 15:01.38 | StyXman | twinklstar: not much right now |
| 15:01.45 | StyXman | but it comes and goes |
| 15:01.52 | twinklstar | people r w8ng fr smthng |
| 15:02.00 | StyXman | so the suggestion is: leave the window open, see what happens |
| 15:02.00 | twinklstar | smthng interesting |
| 15:02.11 | twinklstar | ya..k frnd.. |
| 15:02.14 | StyXman | uh? |
| 15:02.21 | StyXman | is that supposed to mean anything? |
| 15:04.04 | twinklstar | whr i cn find sme infromation abt n900 file system? |
| 15:04.26 | kerio | twinklstar: ls -lR |
| 15:04.27 | vi__ | SPEAK ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER. |
| 15:04.28 | kerio | >:D |
| 15:04.36 | kerio | also that |
| 15:04.40 | kerio | vi__: chill, though |
| 15:05.01 | kerio | does anyone know if there's a way to configure fapman to always show all packages instead of just the user-serviceable ones? |
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| 15:05.47 | vi__ | Few things rustle my jimmies harder than txt speak. |
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| 15:11.20 | RiD | kerio fapman, again |
| 15:11.21 | RiD | giggles |
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| 15:11.27 | kerio | is it expected for fennec to be awfully slow? |
| 15:11.34 | kerio | RiD: hey, the stock one is called ham |
| 15:11.42 | RiD | burger |
| 15:20.57 | vi__ | yes, fennec sucks asses. |
| 15:21.37 | vi__ | Apparently the new version ported by FMG and zod is way faster, however you will have to wait till they are finnished. |
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| 15:22.25 | kerio92 | finnished, hah |
| 15:23.02 | kerio92 | pictures them slowly turning into someone from helsinki |
| 15:23.18 | jaska | hah |
| 15:23.25 | jaska | finnish him! |
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| 15:42.40 | Pali | ping DocScrutinizer |
| 15:42.53 | Pali | I have some problems with usb host mode |
| 15:43.29 | Pali | I have usb hub which does not work in high speed mode |
| 15:43.51 | jacekowski | as far as i know n900 can't do low speed mode |
| 15:44.26 | Pali | if I choose full speed working fine |
| 15:44.38 | Pali | but musb driver write to dmesg: Forced hostmode error: a high-speed device attached but not high-speed mode selected |
| 15:45.00 | Pali | detection comes from musb_virthub.c |
| 15:45.29 | Pali | it is bug in musb virhub code or some buggy usb hub? |
| 15:46.25 | Pali | speed of usb hub is detected by musb_readb(mbase, MUSB_POWER) |
| 15:47.26 | Pali | but speed detection of other usb devices (not hubs) is musb_procfs.c by function musb_ulpi_readb(mbase, ISP1704_DEBUG) |
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| 17:05.48 | kerio | did fmg fix cssu-thumb so it requires the kernel feature and not kernel-cssu? |
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| 17:18.34 | kerio | Pali: do you have the link to your KP51 post handy? |
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| 17:19.28 | Pali | kerio, from irclog: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1234313&postcount=445 |
| 17:19.39 | kerio | Pali: i don't have an irclog :c |
| 17:19.59 | Pali | kerio, see irc topic |
| 17:20.06 | Pali | here is link for live log :-) |
| 17:20.12 | kerio | yay |
| 17:22.01 | kerio | hmm, why are we still on 2.6.28? |
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| 17:23.11 | kerio | Pali: anyway, i'm installing KP51 |
| 17:23.16 | kerio | but i'm not happy for it :C |
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| 17:24.40 | kerio | Pali: should i full backup before installing? |
| 17:24.48 | kerio | yeah, i should |
| 17:25.24 | psotnick | Hello |
| 17:29.29 | psotnick | Does the maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh script work for you guys? Cause for me it hangs on "Setting up pulseaudio (0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5) ..." and segfaults |
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| 17:42.07 | kerio | hrmpf, my gcc has no stdio.h |
| 17:42.08 | kerio | that's annoying |
| 17:42.14 | kerio | what do i have to install? |
| 17:42.29 | kerio | is there a "build-essential" package like in debian? |
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| 17:43.44 | ShadowJK | I vaguely recall installing build-essential on my N800 |
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| 17:46.39 | kerio | oh god, i have 55MB free on my rootfs |
| 17:46.41 | kerio | that's bad D: |
| 17:49.22 | kerio | Pali: i hope you're happy, now my dpkg is yelling at me :( |
| 17:50.15 | kerio | he's unhappy too |
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| 17:51.46 | Scorpius | look at this picture: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5078/5813702602_6687fd0882_b.jpg |
| 17:51.47 | kerio | meh, screw cleven |
| 17:51.57 | Scorpius | people say the guy is using AN IPHONE for the leveling of the ad |
| 17:52.03 | Scorpius | and that's VERY SAYD |
| 17:52.05 | Scorpius | SAD |
| 17:52.26 | ShadowJK | why is it orange |
| 17:52.27 | cehteh | lol |
| 17:52.37 | kerio | it's an orange bumper! |
| 17:52.44 | kerio | white like that, it's either an iphone or a galaxy 3s |
| 17:52.46 | Scorpius | it's an iPhone, isn't it |
| 17:52.47 | kerio | either way... |
| 17:53.07 | Scorpius | but it's not a Meego device... |
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| 17:54.04 | ShadowJK | Well, meego devices don't exist? :P |
| 17:55.14 | Scorpius | real Meego devices don't exist but I guess an N9 would have been enough for the job |
| 17:55.33 | kerio | nobody actually bought a N9 |
| 17:55.38 | kerio | a n900 would've been good enough |
| 17:55.55 | kerio | hm, sometimes i get minor graphical glitches |
| 17:55.58 | kerio | but they're in the loading of the theme, i think |
| 17:56.03 | kerio | wtf is that about? |
| 17:56.23 | ShadowJK | I think few of #maemo bought N9 because of harmattan and missing keyboard? :P |
| 17:56.25 | Scorpius | what do you mean nobody actually bought a N9? |
| 17:56.34 | Scorpius | it is still being sold at stores here |
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| 17:56.42 | ShadowJK | But then analysts and such claim that N9 outsells/outsold lumia |
| 17:56.44 | kerio | Scorpius: 'twas a joke |
| 17:56.54 | kerio | because of harmattan and missing keyboard, as ShadowJK said |
| 17:57.01 | Scorpius | :S |
| 17:57.07 | kerio | ShadowJK: HAH, like that's something to be proud of |
| 17:57.14 | Scorpius | having a keyboard has a problem = weight |
| 17:57.31 | Scorpius | physical keyboard is nice |
| 17:57.31 | kerio | i think that my chest hair outsells lumia |
| 17:57.31 | Scorpius | but a heavy phone is not |
| 17:57.31 | kerio | and i'm not selling it |
| 17:57.48 | Scorpius | I'm still ok with the N900 |
| 17:57.52 | ShadowJK | Well N900 still fits better in pockets than like Samsung Note |
| 17:57.52 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 17:57.53 | japh | n950 isn't that heavy |
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| 17:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: might be a bug in virthub |
| 18:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | since afaik it's not all that easy to detect highspeed mode, hw can only detect lowspeed and full/high |
| 18:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | highspeed mode is weird |
| 18:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I forgat 50% of the details meanwhile |
| 18:01.41 | psotnick | Can anyone here help me with installing meamo sdk? |
| 18:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway highspeed devices should support fullspeed fallback mode |
| 18:02.38 | Scorpius | psotnick, try asking the question directly |
| 18:02.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 18:02.51 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 18:03.13 | Scorpius | against our will :) that's funny |
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| 18:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really ;-P |
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| 18:03.49 | qwazix_ | why is it so convoluted to call cpp functions from qml, I'm always spending the first hour of creating a new project with this |
| 18:04.13 | Scorpius | then you should forget about QML and just code everything in Qt C++ |
| 18:04.35 | Scorpius | that's what I do anyway :P |
| 18:04.37 | qwazix_ | Nah, worse. And not portable to harmattan |
| 18:04.49 | Scorpius | oh well that's another thng. |
| 18:04.50 | Scorpius | thing |
| 18:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: ECHAN? |
| 18:05.42 | psotnick | Ok, so I installed the scratchbox, added my user to the group etc and I ran maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh, it downloaded some stuff, and tried to install it, but hang on Setting up pulseaudio (0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5) ..., after about 30mins it caught signal 11. Maybe anyone knows what can be wrong? |
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| 18:06.24 | Scorpius | you installed the scratchbox? |
| 18:06.27 | Scorpius | the script does it all for you |
| 18:06.32 | MohammadAG | anyone with an N9 on PR1.3? |
| 18:06.34 | Scorpius | including installing scratchbox |
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| 18:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | psotnick: 64bit system? |
| 18:07.22 | psotnick | Scorpius: in tutorial it says to install it(Ubuntu section, I'm using Arch) first, so I installed it |
| 18:07.26 | psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: 32 |
| 18:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, actually Scorpius might be right too |
| 18:07.41 | Scorpius | did you run the script as root? |
| 18:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | psotnick: 32 is good |
| 18:08.16 | psotnick | Scorpius: it says on wiki that I should run it as user |
| 18:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | psotnick: you read the wiki howto? |
| 18:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (there are several iirc) |
| 18:09.09 | Scorpius | I wonder what wiki you are reading. |
| 18:09.26 | Scorpius | Run the scratchbox installer with root permission specifying the username to be added to scratchbox users group and sbox group. |
| 18:09.36 | Scorpius | sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh –u USER |
| 18:09.40 | psotnick | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 18:09.42 | Scorpius | you typed exactly that? |
| 18:09.45 | psotnick | I'm following that |
| 18:10.08 | Scorpius | hmm |
| 18:10.50 | Scorpius | well |
| 18:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Scorpius: your - is a ª |
| 18:11.00 | Scorpius | why didn't you try the GUI installer? |
| 18:11.05 | Scorpius | it's nicer |
| 18:11.14 | psotnick | I missed the '-u USER', I'll try to make it again |
| 18:11.14 | Scorpius | sudo ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py <--- that's the GUI installer |
| 18:11.25 | Scorpius | the -u USER is for the beta you're installing the stable one |
| 18:11.37 | Scorpius | the wiki you're reading |
| 18:11.44 | Scorpius | the first section "Starting installation with GUI installer" |
| 18:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the GUI installer is said to be broken |
| 18:11.53 | Scorpius | that's what I always use! |
| 18:12.02 | Scorpius | I actually have never tried the text based installation |
| 18:12.17 | psotnick | I prefer text based stuff |
| 18:12.35 | psotnick | It usually has more info about problems and stuff |
| 18:12.42 | Scorpius | your scratchbox is in /scratchbox ? |
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| 18:12.55 | Scorpius | the GUI has a big window with the log of everything it is doing |
| 18:13.05 | Scorpius | don't worry about that |
| 18:13.30 | Scorpius | also, remember that all package managers should be closed. Not apt-get running around somewhere or something like that |
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| 18:13.59 | Scorpius | the GUI installer installs everything for you (including scratchbox properly) |
| 18:14.03 | Scorpius | and it has never failed on me |
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| 18:15.05 | Scorpius | also... |
| 18:15.22 | Scorpius | I think the SDK only works in Debian based Linuxes, that is either Debian or Ubuntu |
| 18:15.27 | Scorpius | you said you're using Arch? |
| 18:15.39 | Scorpius | that could be a problem. |
| 18:15.48 | psotnick | Yes, but it worked for ppl on arch forum |
| 18:15.54 | Scorpius | I see. |
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| 18:17.45 | psotnick | Okay, I started GUI installer |
| 18:17.57 | Scorpius | as root right? the GUI installer must be as root. |
| 18:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I installed and used it on Suse11.3 |
| 18:18.00 | psotnick | Let's see if it works |
| 18:18.03 | psotnick | Yes, as root |
| 18:18.06 | Scorpius | cool |
| 18:18.58 | psotnick | My connection is 2/1Mbps so I need to be patient :) |
| 18:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | be aware you need room for a 4GB /scratchbox dir |
| 18:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 5 |
| 18:19.46 | psotnick | I know, I've got something about 5 free |
| 18:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | in / |
| 18:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT in /home |
| 18:20.29 | psotnick | I know |
| 18:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | since friggin scratchbox thinks it's smart to install to root |
| 18:20.45 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Hackers Steal Keyless BMW In Under 3 Minutes |
| 18:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 18:21.13 | Sicelo | you got the weirdest of news : |
| 18:21.16 | Sicelo | link please |
| 18:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably #reuters @ twitter |
| 18:22.56 | Scorpius | wow. |
| 18:22.58 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer, sorry wasn't looking. What does _ECHAN mean? |
| 18:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | wrong channel? |
| 18:23.26 | NIN101 | luckily you can move scratchbox later and symlink /scratchbox to that new path, at least. |
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| 18:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: pseudo unix functioncall return code: -ECHAN |
| 18:25.21 | qwazix_ | oh, not really, I just wanted to tell someone my troubles... Now I fixed it. Back on topic |
| 18:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I get constant -EAGAIN |
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| 18:27.01 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05 could you please take a minute to confirm or disprove a theory I have about resistive and multitouch? |
| 18:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, shoot |
| 18:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | while I dig for my awesome stantum link |
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| 18:28.17 | qwazix_ | From what I've read a oversimplification of a standard resistive screen is a grid of "cables" let's say 840 on the x axis and 480 on y |
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| 18:29.04 | qwazix_ | when I touch point 120,100 current passes through "cable" no 120 on x |
| 18:29.10 | qwazix_ | and 100 on y |
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| 18:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | harly matching analogy |
| 18:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly* |
| 18:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | except for stantum maybe |
| 18:29.51 | chem|st | I do not know why we need a non-profit entity |
| 18:29.55 | qwazix_ | what's wrong up to now? |
| 18:29.59 | chem|st | can someone explain? |
| 18:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: you know a potentiometer, a resistive adjustable dial? |
| 18:31.09 | qwazix_ | I was just thinking that if I touch 2 points at the same time, we have 2x's and 2 y's so 4 possible touchpoints, so the resistive screen can't possibly know where I really touched |
| 18:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the thing with a "carbon" ring and a moving "finger" contact sliding over it |
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| 18:31.45 | qwazix_ | yeap |
| 18:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: there are no 'wires' |
| 18:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a continuous plane |
| 18:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a huge carbon film |
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| 18:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | with one contact wire at top and one at bottom |
| 18:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | full length |
| 18:33.06 | qwazix_ | ok I think I understand, |
| 18:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | like a very wide linear potentiometer |
| 18:33.32 | qwazix_ | Impressive that it has so good accuracy... |
| 18:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you place two of those 90° twisted over each other |
| 18:34.20 | qwazix_ | and you need only one value from the one and one from the other |
| 18:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: well, some don't have that good accuracy, that's why you calibrate screens |
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| 18:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and software does the rest |
| 18:34.38 | qwazix_ | ok |
| 18:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, one value X and one Y |
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| 18:35.35 | qwazix_ | I was playing with a craplet from china (70eur) which had a crap resistive which was btw multitouch, and I doubted it was stantum |
| 18:35.46 | qwazix_ | So I was trying to figure how it might work |
| 18:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are several more sophisticated designs that sometimes even bring crappy botchy MT |
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| 18:37.27 | qwazix_ | And I thought, that maybe we can't know where the user touched, but we can narrow down the possible touchpoints to 4 (x1y1 x2y2 or x2y1 x1y2) |
| 18:37.58 | qwazix_ | enough for pinch and rotate. |
| 18:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g when you touch two distant points, you short the distancy between tp1 and tp2 on X plane by Y plane, and vice versa. So both planes show reduced total resistivity depending on (amoung others) the distance of both touchpoints |
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| 18:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirr that's called "8-wire" though in fact it still has only 4 wires to connect |
| 18:40.20 | qwazix_ | aha, and how does pressure sensitivity fit in this? |
| 18:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's also 5-wire, and whatnot else |
| 18:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | pressure reduces resistivity *between* the planes |
| 18:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the more pressure the larger the touch area the lower the resistance from plane-X to plane-Y |
| 18:41.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why can't i just install gcc and have it work, at least for ansi/posix stuff? :( |
| 18:41.50 | kerio | Pali: i've been using kp51 for a good half an hour now, with the n900 in standby |
| 18:41.52 | kerio | and no problems |
| 18:42.05 | qwazix_ | so in reality it is area detection more than pressure, I suspected that |
| 18:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: becuae I build a check for "user == kerio" into gcc |
| 18:42.13 | kerio | you have my green light for pushing it to -devel |
| 18:42.31 | qwazix_ | If you press lightly with a wide object it has the same effect as if you pressed hard with the stylus |
| 18:42.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, seriously, why is there no libc6-dev package for the n900? |
| 18:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: yep, area |
| 18:42.46 | kerio | installing the maemo sdk on the n900 is a bad idea, right? |
| 18:43.01 | qwazix_ | thanks I think I'm a wiser man now, and I have a new list of wikipedia articles to read :) |
| 18:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 18:46.13 | Pali | kerio, ok |
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| 18:46.37 | Pali | now I fixed packet-injection.sh script and working fine |
| 18:46.41 | Pali | http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/kernel-power/packet-injection.sh |
| 18:46.57 | kerio | Pali: so that's the script that the next version of cleven should use? |
| 18:47.03 | Pali | $ ./packet-injection.sh load # load modules |
| 18:47.21 | Pali | $ ./packet-injection.sh unload # unload modules |
| 18:47.23 | kerio | btw, i had to uninstall the backported modules package |
| 18:47.25 | kerio | did you add a Conflict for those? |
| 18:47.30 | kerio | *Conflicts |
| 18:47.41 | Pali | $ ./packet-injection.sh enable # enable by default packet injection on startup |
| 18:47.59 | Pali | $ ./packet-injection.sh disable # disable autoloading packet injection modules on startup |
| 18:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: (NPO) NFC. I guess another of estel's projects? |
| 18:48.19 | Pali | kerio, no, we update that backport* package |
| 18:48.42 | Pali | here is script for usb host mode for kp51 http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/kernel-power/usbmode.sh |
| 18:48.50 | kerio | oh, i guess it depended on KP50 |
| 18:48.51 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, see ^^^ |
| 18:49.19 | kerio | Pali: hm, pidof to check if a process is running? |
| 18:49.25 | Pali | kerio, yes |
| 18:50.04 | Pali | script will try to find correct usb speed |
| 18:50.15 | kerio | neat |
| 18:50.23 | kerio | wait, so HEN won't work now? |
| 18:50.30 | Pali | it use kp51 bq27x and bq24 drivers |
| 18:50.39 | Pali | kerio, hen working fine |
| 18:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: hey nifty brightness handling :-) |
| 18:50.52 | Pali | kerio, it stop working if you load bq drivers |
| 18:51.00 | kerio | oic |
| 18:51.17 | Pali | yes, brightness, bme event.d is stupid it do echo 0 > ... |
| 18:51.29 | kerio | well, the bq drivers aren't really ready for primetime as of now, right? |
| 18:51.40 | Pali | bq drivers are blacklisted |
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| 18:51.50 | Pali | they working |
| 18:51.57 | Pali | but BME must be stopped |
| 18:52.08 | kerio | i agree |
| 18:52.12 | kerio | BME must be stopped! |
| 18:52.52 | Pali | I'm going offline now... scripts are uploaded, you can play with them :-) |
| 18:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you probably want use start/stop -q |
| 18:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or >/dev/null |
| 18:53.13 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, ok |
| 18:53.18 | Pali | bye |
| 18:53.35 | kerio | hold on, why do i want to use the hostmode script that loads the bq drivers again? |
| 18:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | becuase you're 1337 |
| 18:55.06 | kerio | i'm really not :( |
| 18:55.11 | kerio | my F-F adapter isn't even here yet |
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| 18:55.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how would charging while usbhost work? |
| 18:56.03 | kerio | i mean, how do you connect the wallcharger? to what? |
| 18:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | check ~hostmode-charging |
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| 18:59.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge.sh.txt is a 404 |
| 18:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaw |
| 18:59.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so you just use one of those adapters for extra power backwards, pretty much |
| 18:59.23 | kerio | that's neat |
| 19:00.11 | kerio | somewhere, one of the engineers that worked on the USB standard is in a corner, crying |
| 19:01.16 | storm900 | hello every1 |
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| 19:01.40 | storm900 | got a broken n900 usb port and I`m in need of a bit of help |
| 19:01.48 | kerio | ~usbfix |
| 19:01.48 | infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 19:02.29 | kerio | bad ports, bad ports |
| 19:02.35 | kerio | whatcha gonna do |
| 19:02.47 | kerio | whatcha gonna do when they stop you from charging your n900 |
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| 19:03.09 | kerio | storm900: does it kinda sorta work if you push down on the plug? |
| 19:03.25 | kerio | or something like that |
| 19:03.35 | kerio | if so, then stop using the port, but you might be able to fix it kinda easily |
| 19:03.57 | storm900 | nah, past the point |
| 19:04.13 | kerio | call a priest then |
| 19:04.58 | storm900 | hehe |
| 19:09.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, one of the links in ~usbfix talks about epoxy :c |
| 19:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you think the "never use epoxy" been a random text block that sneaked in? |
| 19:11.01 | kerio | yeah but they're still linked |
| 19:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | several wide people think it's futile |
| 19:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | wise* |
| 19:11.15 | kerio | hehe |
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| 19:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) elastic, b) cloggs receptacle, c) never rework again d) only sticks to green varnish, to what does green varnish stick? |
| 19:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | SOLDER THE CRITTER, MAN! |
| 19:13.31 | kerio | and now, for something completely different: does backupmenu2 work on pr1.2? |
| 19:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | car manufacturers used welding since ~15 yeras ago. now they use very special glue sometimes, but you're not the car industry |
| 19:14.08 | kerio | and can i use it to mirror my n900's installation on a n900 with a broken usb port? |
| 19:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/since/until |
| 19:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and yes |
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| 19:17.10 | kerio | storm900: well, you still have the last resort fix |
| 19:17.37 | kerio | the pins below the battery |
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| 19:19.23 | storm900 | can i connect to them without the battery plugged in to test the device turning on? |
| 19:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 19:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | storm900: what you want to do? |
| 19:20.37 | psotnick | GUI installer isn't working either |
| 19:21.03 | storm900 | see if i can bring this n900 back to life |
| 19:21.28 | storm900 | the usb port is broken and the service guy said it can`t be fixed, he tried |
| 19:22.48 | kerio | your service guy sucks |
| 19:23.02 | kerio | it's a matter of soldering a new usb port |
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| 19:27.33 | kerio | the last resort is if you seriously MAIM the original usb port |
| 19:29.34 | storm900 | yeah just got off the phone with him, said the device is fine but he can not solder a port on and also had no ideea about the last resort fix |
| 19:29.43 | storm900 | so i guess I have to open this phone up |
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| 19:39.44 | kerio | hm, where's Pali? |
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| 19:41.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "upgrading" the package for modules is bullshit |
| 19:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh??? |
| 19:45.02 | teotwaki__ | I've seen some weird shit in my day |
| 19:45.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: kernel-power-modules for kp51 is an upgrade for the same package for kp50 |
| 19:45.24 | kerio | that means that you lose the kp50 modules when you install the kp51 ones |
| 19:45.28 | kerio | *while you're running kp50* |
| 19:45.32 | teotwaki__ | But fuck me, a function that just "stops" being executed, with no "return" anywhere near where it stops is ridiculously high on that list. |
| 19:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so what? you just can't load new modules then |
| 19:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | until you also flashed kernel and then reboot |
| 19:46.20 | kerio | it sounds un-neat |
| 19:46.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's an atomic transaction: kernel, kernel-flasher, kernel-modules |
| 19:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | +boot |
| 19:46.54 | kerio | except that it should also include reboot, and you can't atomically reboot |
| 19:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, any user wondering why running acme-shit goes boom after he upgraded kernel and ignored the "you MUST reboot now" msg, can go lost |
| 19:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, the correct way would be to boot to an auxiliary system, a so called rescue-system that has own / own kernel and all, then mount the main system and do the updates there |
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| 19:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously no option for N900 |
| 19:49.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: or have the modules as a separate package |
| 19:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | bs, won't fit on / |
| 19:50.25 | kerio | meh, the nokia packaging is stupid |
| 19:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification |
| 19:51.56 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 19:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough lennart now propagates this all is nonsense and we don't need /usr anymore |
| 19:53.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: heh |
| 19:53.46 | kerio | anyway, what do we need to mount eMMC at boot time? |
| 19:53.56 | kerio | i mean, as early as the root |
| 19:54.32 | kerio | i mean, /usr can't be put on the emmc partition because pulseaudio and other stuff is there, and they're required during boot |
| 19:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically a kernel with mmc driver built in |
| 19:54.43 | kerio | but why can't we mount it before anything else happens? |
| 19:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | first of all |
| 19:54.47 | kerio | i see |
| 19:54.54 | kerio | and it doesn't fit? |
| 19:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't you think when there are problems withj PA in /usr then it's an indication there's sth wrong with PA rather than /usr? |
| 19:55.44 | kerio | well of course |
| 19:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 |
| 19:56.00 | kerio | requiring a sound system for the boot process of a unix system is something out of a horror movie |
| 19:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | distro maintainer has to take care all the stuff needed during early boot has to be in /(s)bin, *NOT* in /usr/* |
| 19:57.04 | kerio | yeah, we've been through this multiple times |
| 19:57.09 | kerio | it always ends in "fuckin' nokia" |
| 19:57.13 | kerio | and sadness |
| 19:57.26 | kerio | the thing is, pulseaudio *should* be in /usr/ |
| 19:57.39 | kerio | because it's a fucking audio daemon |
| 19:57.42 | kerio | you don't need audio to boot |
| 19:58.00 | kerio | but no, nokia needs the stupid shaking hands animation to have sound |
| 19:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | say "thanks you Nokia, for shaking-hands-bootvideo" |
| 19:58.20 | kerio | ...does the date picker appear before emmc is mounted? |
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| 19:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, prolly not |
| 19:58.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, it's called hildon-welcome-default-logo |
| 19:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:59.10 | kerio | i'm not even sure if hildon-welcome is actually needed |
| 19:59.20 | kerio | anyway, it doesn't do much without any entry |
| 19:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hildon-welcome probably is datepicker |
| 19:59.30 | kerio | (i removed default logo because fuck that noise) |
| 19:59.34 | kerio | hm, good point |
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| 20:18.46 | kerio | wtf, kernel-power-config doesn't work |
| 20:19.53 | kerio | oh nvm, there was no default configuration saved |
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| 20:30.29 | storm900 | aaaah getting a bit excited |
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| 20:31.24 | storm900 | i i kinda twisted the usb port and the yellow light turned on, took it out and now I need my mind set straight, all I should need to do now is solder the usb port down to reinforce it, right? |
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| 20:38.08 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes, if the board has not been damaged and ripped pads off. |
| 20:42.45 | kerio | SpeedEvil: well, he managed to establish a flaky connection |
| 20:48.38 | vi_ | thanks you Nokia, for shaking-hands-bootvideo |
| 20:49.45 | kerio | goddammit it's called hildon-welcome-default-logo |
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| 20:50.11 | vi_ | kerio: you can get rid of 5 dots progress thing too. |
| 20:50.22 | vi_ | kerio: in fact, you can even put xterm there, |
| 20:50.24 | vi_ | . |
| 20:50.29 | vi_ | xeyes. |
| 20:50.40 | SpeedEvil | It's all doing lots of things in parallel |
| 20:50.48 | SpeedEvil | At the points of hands - it's doing lots of IO |
| 20:50.52 | SpeedEvil | and it's really IO limited |
| 20:51.13 | SpeedEvil | playing a small video at that point does not really delay the point at which the system is fully up |
| 20:51.40 | vi_ | SpeedyGhost: hands video was the first to go. |
| 20:51.52 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: hands video was the first to go. |
| 20:51.59 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: 5 dots next |
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| 20:52.33 | SpeedEvil | It would in principle be interesting to time the device in both cases |
| 20:52.36 | vi_ | just do not need that worthless shit to boot. |
| 20:52.42 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: I agree. |
| 20:55.17 | vi_ | In fact if you wanted to go hardcore you could get rid of openbox+pin request+'offline mode' dialogue. |
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| 21:28.43 | Raimu | Hands-v32! |
| 21:28.48 | Raimu | My precious! |
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| 21:29.48 | kerio | hmm, need games for maemo |
| 21:29.50 | kerio | wat play |
| 21:30.00 | Raimu | Tapan Kaikki! |
| 21:30.02 | kerio | i already installed aisleriot |
| 21:31.04 | kerio | also, why the hell do i only have 50mb of free space in rootfs? i had 80 |
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| 21:35.50 | Raimu | kerio, it's an estimate. Reboot and it might rethink the space. |
| 21:35.51 | cehteh | du -ax | sort -rn | less |
| 21:36.28 | Raimu | Some apps don't really respect the mighty opt, either. |
| 21:36.51 | cehteh | optification is broken by design anyways |
| 21:37.02 | kerio | Raimu: how the hell do you play this |
| 21:37.22 | Raimu | cehteh: Still no reason to chuck things randomly into rootfs. |
| 21:37.58 | Raimu | kerio: F* if I know, I used to play it on the PC ten years ago. :D |
| 21:38.32 | kerio | well i just wasted 40mb of my daily ~300 |
| 21:38.34 | kerio | :C |
| 21:39.14 | Raimu | I just installed some lightweight puzzle games on my n900, it is not a very good game device. |
| 21:39.22 | Raimu | kerio: Oh noez! |
| 21:39.33 | kerio | also right, ubifs does compression |
| 21:39.40 | Raimu | Yup. |
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| 21:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ho ho ho |
| 21:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 21:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali's shellscripting-fu is ... mellow ;-) |
| 21:48.17 | RiD | hello |
| 21:48.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh you |
| 21:48.34 | kerio | what's the "correct" way to find out if a process is running, btw? |
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| 21:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's one of the less bizarre things done in this plai's script: sth like if ! pidof $process >/dev/null; then |
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| 21:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | boggles at contaptions like "if $(cat $envvarfoo|grep -q "pattern" ); then |
| 21:51.17 | kerio | it's especially weird because this man page tells me that pidof exits either with 1 or with 2 |
| 21:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 21:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | boggles at contaptions like "if $(echo $envvarfoo|grep -q "pattern" ); then |
| 21:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: eh? |
| 21:52.39 | kerio | no, nvm |
| 21:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | rises eyebrow on pidof(8) |
| 21:53.02 | kerio | weird numbered list that got turned into 1 and 2 instead of 0 and 1 |
| 21:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is this sbin/root? |
| 21:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because no normal process got the perms to read other user's cmdlines from /proc? |
| 21:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | on some more sane / safe unix setups |
| 21:56.42 | jacekowski | only with grsec |
| 21:57.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's the same binary as killall5 |
| 21:57.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: then whi is man pidof 8? |
| 21:57.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | why |
| 21:57.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: lol |
| 21:57.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok |
| 21:57.36 | kerio | i have no idea why |
| 21:57.40 | kerio | probably hysterical raisins |
| 21:57.49 | kerio | anyway, killall5 is not suid root here on debian |
| 21:58.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | that would be pretty BAD |
| 21:59.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | trend is to deprecate suid all together |
| 21:59.57 | kerio | of course |
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| 22:00.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically there's little besides su that needs suid |
| 22:00.52 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: that's so you can find pid of a process |
| 22:00.56 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: by it's name |
| 22:01.13 | kerio | jacekowski: it doesn't need to be suid |
| 22:01.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: I know what pidof does |
| 22:01.19 | jacekowski | i know |
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| 22:01.35 | jacekowski | it's part of posix standard i believe |
| 22:01.43 | jacekowski | and it's always been there |
| 22:01.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: I asked why it's in man group 8 |
| 22:01.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: wait |
| 22:02.00 | kerio | pidof is busybox here on maemo |
| 22:02.04 | kerio | ._. |
| 22:02.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 22:02.27 | jacekowski | dunno |
| 22:02.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | everything is messybox on maemo |
| 22:02.57 | jacekowski | well, 8 is for daemons as well |
| 22:03.03 | jacekowski | and that's where pidof would be used |
| 22:03.12 | jacekowski | as in, daemon startup scripts and stuff |
| 22:03.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmmmm |
| 22:03.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically 8 is stuff you need to be root to use it |
| 22:04.23 | jacekowski | nah |
| 22:04.41 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.47 | jacekowski | usually |
| 22:05.35 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 22:05.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 22:05.47 | jacekowski | reading processes cmdline is not a root only thing |
| 22:06.00 | jacekowski | which is why passwords in cmdline are VERY bad thing on linux |
| 22:06.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems pidof comes with some more or less nasty options |
| 22:06.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: but it can be busybox-power! |
| 22:06.33 | kerio | with more power! |
| 22:06.40 | kerio | and stuff like swap priority |
| 22:07.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | hear the distant sound.... : |
| 22:07.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | ........ pling ....... |
| 22:07.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 22:09.54 | kerio | no, i don't hear it |
| 22:10.05 | kerio | and really, busybox-power is apparently a real thing |
| 22:10.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | each time you hear it, a useful answer vanished from this universe |
| 22:10.15 | kerio | i haven't really risked installing it, because it'll probably break stuff |
| 22:10.31 | kerio | but it's a less messy messybox, in -devel |
| 22:10.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually even when you don't listen, it still vanishes |
| 22:10.56 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: and not to forget... god kills a kitten |
| 22:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and takes a token out of kerio's jar |
| 22:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: actually I noticed you already sufferend from recoil, when I ignored a potentially meaningful question of yours a few hours ago, as you placed yourself into troll-mode-tagged mode on my screen, two posts before |
| 22:19.17 | kerio | hm, which one? |
| 22:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I CBA to scan backscroll to spot it now |
| 22:19.50 | kerio | it's ok, i'll just stop asking you questions |
| 22:19.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | up to you |
| 22:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | a hint: I *guess* it's been over at #harmattan |
| 22:20.59 | kerio | that would be extremely unlikely |
| 22:21.04 | kerio | because i'm not in #harmattan |
| 22:21.58 | kerio | ooh, i think it was something related to charging while in host mode |
| 22:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I guess it was #maemo-ssu |
| 22:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mixed things up |
| 22:22.39 | RiD | argh |
| 22:22.51 | RiD | gets mad while trying to make a loopable engine sound |
| 22:23.25 | SpeedEvil | RiD: just go 'argh' into a mic, and loop it |
| 22:23.35 | RiD | more like vrooom |
| 22:23.57 | kerio | i would play the shit out of a racing game that has sounds made by a dude with his own voice |
| 22:24.13 | RiD | steals idea and wins millions |
| 22:24.44 | RiD | i crossfade the $BLEEP$ sound on the end with bits of the start |
| 22:24.57 | RiD | then i cut the start the perfect place so that it is continuous but.... it never is |
| 22:24.59 | RiD | rages |
| 22:25.50 | kerio | just get a sound from the interwebs |
| 22:25.57 | RiD | no, they suck |
| 22:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: your best bet are loops of <100ms length |
| 22:26.26 | RiD | not very good on muscle car engines |
| 22:27.40 | SpeedEvil | youtube |
| 22:28.38 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI-txzG3BZQ |
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| 22:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: btw sox is a nice tool. streching length of the sample to maybe 10 times while keeping pitch might help to find a good segment for loop |
| 22:34.26 | RST38h | Meanwhile: The city authorities of San Francisco have banned departmental purchases of Apple hardware after Cupertino dropped out of the Electronic Product Environmental Assessment Tool (EPEAT) green-standards scheme |
| 22:34.34 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
| 22:35.30 | jacekowski | it's probably cheaper for apple to lose that and well, not worry about environment |
| 22:35.50 | SpeedEvil | The certification is largely bollocks. |
| 22:35.59 | jacekowski | like any other |
| 22:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 22:36.02 | SpeedEvil | I mean - it has sane aspects. |
| 22:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: awesome video |
| 22:36.25 | SpeedEvil | But in practice, recycleability in terms of removing components nowadays is essentially meaningless. |
| 22:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: (loop sound) I think I recall several audio editors have support functions to find optimal looping points in sound samples |
| 22:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the better ones have a way to define windows for start end end of loop, and the function will try to find two sequences which sounds alike in those both windows |
| 22:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/end end/and end/. |
| 22:42.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | then set the point for crossfade exactly in the middle of both sequences, and remix |
| 22:42.41 | SpeedEvil | The right way is generally to do it in frequency space, as you can blur the ends easier. |
| 22:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a "crossfade" in frequency domain is amplitude as well as spectrum, while in wave/time domain you can only fade amplitude |
| 22:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | think of it as "morph" for sounds instead of pictures |
| 22:45.50 | RiD | calm down i'm still new in audio editing O_o |
| 22:46.29 | RiD | have experience on photoshop but audio editing is still new for me |
| 22:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically once you learn synaestesia, it's all the same ;-D |
| 22:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | synesthesia* |
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| 22:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, that's only half kidding |
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| 22:49.49 | RiD | i need perfect pitch ears too :D |
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| 22:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually once you look at your sound as a frequency plot, it's just a problem of how to bend this "picture" to a cylinder that doesn't have any visible dicontinuities |
| 22:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrogram |
| 22:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course! there are 5 alternative terms, DocScrutinizer05 used none of them |
| 22:55.04 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 not easy to spot on engine sounds |
| 22:55.06 | RiD | what |
| 22:55.15 | RiD | oh |
| 22:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | spectrogram, Also known as spectral waterfalls, sonograms, voiceprints, or voicegrams |
| 22:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I used "frequency plot" |
| 22:56.27 | RiD | you were close |
| 22:56.40 | RiD | (notice the little bit of sarcasm used) |
| 22:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm nototrious for that |
| 22:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not sarcasm, though... sarcasm as well :-P ) |
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| 22:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | spectral density plot would have somewhat been to the point |
| 22:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's why I gave you a decent URL instead |
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| 23:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw, on a loosely related topic: all audio compression algos (like GSM, MP3) mostly profit from completely discriminating the phase info from original signal, only keeping amplitude and frequency vs time |
| 23:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rest is mostly quantization, plus a lil bit of compression ala gz |
| 23:06.43 | RiD | and flac seems to be less cpu intensive than mp3 on n900 |
| 23:07.02 | RiD | the story is different when i start the EQ |
| 23:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite logical, since it has to "create" less data |
| 23:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically in flac you only have a specialized compression, but no fft |
| 23:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | fft is cpu-heavy |
| 23:08.09 | ShadowJK | Also overlapped discrete cosine transforms instead of block by block |
| 23:08.12 | RiD | i dont even know what fft is o_o |
| 23:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | fast fourier transformation |
| 23:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or s/fast/finite |
| 23:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I think I mix that with FIR |
| 23:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | finite impulse response |
| 23:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is related to fft somehow, but still something different |
| 23:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yep, quite likely. Though I never looked into flac in detail |
| 23:11.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, I did, but that's like 5 years in the past |
| 23:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall I wondered wtf they do with stereo |
| 23:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it like they never do L+R, L-R before compression? |
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| 23:13.47 | RiD | i have no idea :D |
| 23:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw while phase is mostly meaningless for normal monaural audio, for stereo it is quite important. Particularly for bass |
| 23:17.13 | RiD | which means..? :o |
| 23:17.55 | cehteh | doesnt flac doe fft too? .. just calcuclating the error, keeping it below the quantizattion limit? |
| 23:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | which means running stereo audio thru a fft equalizer that discriminates phase info might result in poor stereo localization/definition and weak bass since out of phase |
| 23:18.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: nope, flac is meant to be lossless |
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| 23:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it just does compression |
| 23:19.34 | RiD | maybe that's why some N900 players (such as SOmeplayer) equalizers seem to have the 30Hz band "flipped", but in fact it's not. (??) |
| 23:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: [11.07.2012 01:08:09] <ShadowJK> Also overlapped discrete cosine transforms instead of block by block |
| 23:21.36 | RiD | On music that contains a lot of low-freq bass (w/e) boosting up the 30hz band will actually increase the bass, but on most songs it seems to reduce. Therefore, if you reduce it to -24dB you might actually hear more bass. Doesn't happen on rockbo |
| 23:21.37 | RiD | rockbox* |
| 23:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | once had a "Denon Audio Technical CD" with "speaker phase. the following signal is a 10 seconds white noise played in phase, then 2 s later out of phase" |
| 23:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | would like to check what mp3 encoding does to that |
| 23:23.01 | RiD | well, the more mp3 compressed a song is the more joined left and right seem to be. In my simple language :> |
| 23:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, quite precisely phrased exactly what I'd expect to see, err hear |
| 23:24.02 | RiD | read* |
| 23:24.20 | RiD | d'oh. ^ ignore that |
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| 23:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, also "read" - on any decent audio signal analyzer ;-) |
| 23:26.59 | RiD | foobar has a spectrum vizualizer w/e |
| 23:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | audacity should have one too, iirc |
| 23:27.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | fires a zypper install audacity |
| 23:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ already "i" |
| 23:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Hallo bei Audacity 1.3.13-beta!" :-(( |
| 23:29.49 | RiD | what |
| 23:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's audacity2.0 since quite some time already |
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| 23:35.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=multimedia%3Aapps&package=audacity |
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